WEBVTT - Episode 357 w/ Chuck D 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.520 And his Drink Chess motherfucking podcast makes up. He's a 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.520 legendary Queen's rapper. He's segreed is your boy in O 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:22.800 R He's a Miami hippop lioneer up his DJ e FN. 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.360 Together they drink it up with some of the biggest 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:30.560 players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.920 one sorts for drunk fast drink chess motherfucker by Dean's 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.800 New Year's Eve that it's time for drink chances, drink up, 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:46.320 motherfuck mother part would Good be hoping to? Should be 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:48.480 ship boy in O R E? What up is dj 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:56.440 e FN? This middle Tamate crazy war happy hour makes up? Well, 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.800 the brother that we are about to talk to today 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:08.640 is beyond the icon. He's beyond the legend. Me and EFN, 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:14.759 I think this is probably we both agree music because 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.280 I don't think me and you kind of listening to 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.600 the same type of music, right, But this case we 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:25.240 are both super both raised both. This guy raised me. 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:31.080 He's my stepfather. You don't know it, but he has 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.319 when it comes to this music business, when it comes 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:40.200 to making music, it's I'm just listening to the music 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.760 again today and I'm just sitting there, and I'm just like, 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.280 this is timeless music, Like you can put out this 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.120 the music that they were making then now and it's 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:54.600 still be relevant. When I say this is beyond a legend, 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.920 when I say this is beyond the icon, when I 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.040 say this is a person who fights for hip hop, 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:05.120 who has hip hop on his shoulder and lives it, lives, breefs, breathes. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.560 This guy is a person that we have to give 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:14.720 their flowers. We have to show the ultimate respect because 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:20.240 he is exactly what we also strive to want to be. Like, 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.239 in case people don't know who we're talking about, we 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:31.880 talk about the one only motherfucker Chuck Wow, James Baumer 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:38.520 is right. Yeah. And then first I'd like to say apologies. 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.720 Circling each other for seven to eight years unacceptable. Unacceptable. 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.320 We just happened to circle and then pandemic, you know, 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.800 for three years out of our lives. Yeah, I like 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.360 to thank you Evan for giving me a drop on 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.040 our rap station. I think during the rap station things 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:58.360 for like fourteen years. It's Pacifical Networks, it's his own Apple. 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.520 Think you oft the drop for me? I played all 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:07.560 the time. Yes, thank you you my man, Thank you 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.280 for just being you. Yes, yes, and all that. I 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.320 remember I was doing this show. I mean I was 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:17.200 doing it actually a project. You know, the filmmaker Michael Moore, Yes, MICHAELA. 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.440 So he was doing this project and this is like 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:24.040 ninety eight and he you know, he's doing all these 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:28.079 types of things. But yeah, well I'm bringing that full circle. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.280 So you know, he's in the city right in New York, 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.520 and he said, Chuck, come on with me. What we're 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.560 gonna do is we're gonna just like go into these corporations. 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.720 He's shooting the film, like we're going into corporations and 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.360 and the places that got sweatshops but you know, like 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.680 Nike and all these other plot spots. So he goes 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.160 in the Nike town, right, and he gets like two 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:54.120 buses of kids to storm Nike Town and say, yo, 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.560 y'all are wrong, you know, I mean, and this might 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.040 be the anti Nike ad, right, but and y'all are wrong. 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.200 And he got like two bus loads of kids from 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.360 Harlem to storm Nike Town on their sweatshops. Right. Wow. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.120 But the bust on the way when it parks up, 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:19.719 Super Thug comes back and it was my first time 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:24.080 here the time and these kids like the teddest bust 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.479 I want to bust with them up and what what 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.520 what what they tore this bust up? I said, Nike's 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:36.040 in trouble you So so let's let's let's get to 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.200 up the beginning, right, how about you want to go? 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:45.120 But we said wasn't gonna work because because you know, 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.960 um public enemy, right, like this was like a group 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.120 that defied the odds, right, you know what I mean, Um, 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.400 everyone was kind of at this time, everyone was you know, 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:03.440 um uh most like and and you guys took a 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:08.839 stance of having conscious like you know, um conscious rap 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.040 like you know what I mean. We're old wrap that 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.400 mattered right older. You know, we came from a different time. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.480 And right now when I'm listening to the music, right 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.960 when I listened to new music, no one is teaching, 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:23.560 no one is is it's actually music now. There's there's plenty, 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.600 there's plenty out there. You know. It's just that that 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:27.719 this stuff is not going to float to the top 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.600 without the concern of how much could get sold or 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.200 whatever could get sold for a business proposition. And that's 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.479 that's what it is. It's always business. This is an 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:39.680 entertainment business. It's like they do accounting by numbers. Man 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.560 boy is better, you know, better is not always you know, 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.719 um bigger. In my case, it's it's like you could 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.560 be better with the quality instead of the quantity. But 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.440 that necessarily is in business. But there's a lot of 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.000 cats out there. I just did something with young brother 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.279 named Consequence. You know, just did a video. He caught me. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.440 He's an independent cat. He caught me at JFK said, listen, 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.480 I could get this video in because you know today 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.840 who listen with their eyes. You know, they're all screen agents, 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.040 you know, so it's screen ag Yeah, screen just say 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.240 screen screen age. And I didn't make it up, you know, 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.719 you know, I got my antenna is up. So somebody said, yo, chuck, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.920 they screen agents. I'm like, thing, I'm a register. But 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.800 they listen with their eyes. So necessarily everybody kind of 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.280 you know, if they got something, they got to put 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.440 a visual to it. Consequence stop me at JFK. Him 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.600 and this man got out boom on boom. It's a 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.160 video clip and it's gone up, you know, viral whatever. 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.640 So they out there making efforts. I think the biggest 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.520 difference Nori and Effing and James would probably agree with me, 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:45.280 is that we're seeing the business take groups and individualize them, 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.400 you know, because it's easy to like, like, it's easier 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:54.279 to renegotiate on now cases a hip hop, renegotiate or 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:58.159 renegotiate a contract with one person as opposed to a group. 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.320 And that's probably the biggest difference because what we've seen 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.000 since the nineties as individuals instead of groups. So when 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.200 you first aid groups, it was a group effort from 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:12.200 the bomb squad to That's what w's with Griff James Bam, 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:16.360 you know, to Flavor and myself. You know, me and 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.080 Flavor man. I mean people are like, oh you guys 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:24.520 man are so different. Yeah, you damn right, were different different, 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:26.160 you know what I'm saying. It's like we come from 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:30.320 a neighborhood Roosevelt Long Allen where everybody knew each other, 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.520 small town on the outskirts of New York. All our 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.600 people's is from different areas in New York. My mother 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.880 and father from Harlem on the fifty first Street, right, 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.600 so you know, people moved out there. You're always going 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.720 back and forth. We went to all the boroughs, maybe 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.400 not stat Nilan back then that you won't take turning 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.880 into Charlette and I'm talking post forcing d right. But 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.440 we went to check out everything, and so when it 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.000 came to do something in hip hop, was taking all 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.520 the collective efforts of people that did real things in 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.040 our neighborhood and just like put it to Wax man, 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.600 put it to rons because and now they would catch 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.160 their real things. Man. But then we go back being 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.480 a little older too, because it wasn't miraculous for a 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.960 cat in sixty eight and sixty nine to have common 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.680 sense when sense was common you know what I'm saying. 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.760 And then they realized that they had to do something 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.320 against that, and so we decided to do like what 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.760 would happen in our neighborhood and put it to Wax 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.280 because hip hop was a beautiful thing. Man. Hip hop 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.600 is such a beautiful thing, man. And the seventies before 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.480 it was Wax, I wish I could have sliced it. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:36.240 And what would Starsky Flash, Mellie mell DJ Hollywood. You 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.200 know what I'm saying. What they were doing, Curtis Blow, 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.280 what they were doing. It was like you looked up 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:45.360 to them like like they were aliens men, And I said, wow, man, 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.520 And that's what bit me man. So when we was 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.800 a group, it was a total group effort. You know, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:54.520 this is Public Enemy is a culmination of a lot 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.920 of brilliant parts. They all we all, they all beautiful 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.200 cats man, and like a big big family and the barbecue, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.600 you know, yeah people, oh man, you guys might have differences. Yeah, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.800 your damn skippy like family and neighborhood different. Damn it. 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:10.760 It's like the original wood tang if you think about 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.960 it as big as that, you guys with the bomb squad, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.800 and then that's one w's like yeah, everybody people rights, 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:21.280 like we won't give everybody in mind Republic Enemy. They know, 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.719 a great mad everybody returned out differently for public and 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.360 everybody had him like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah everything. Let 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.720 me tell you all due respect to the rule because 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.280 they are just amazing. You know, it's just amazing to 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.000 this day. I mean, if I if I could be, 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.400 if I could be another rapper, you would be the client. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.199 I would be method Man. Okay, I could see that. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:44.760 I mean even method Man could read yo man, he 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:48.840 could read the newspaper man, and and I play it. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:52.719 But yeah, so did your nickname bust the Rhams? Did 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.000 you give bust the rams. His name, well, leaders of 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.080 a New School was a was a bar and don't 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:01.440 believe the hype. And we felt that you know, you know, 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:05.320 and you know, uh, Custer was a five percenter just 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.080 like a lot of young cats were at the time. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.200 You know. It was the sort of the sea seeking 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.920 and the knowledge yourself, right, you know, especially back then, 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:14.360 it's like, okay, I don't know what was dope to 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.480 be smart back then? Well, well now it's dope to 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:21.880 be stupid. Well I don't know you yeah, yeah, I 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:26.160 mean everything is coming at you right now. So we said, 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.559 you know, just understand, you know, there's there's a certain lifestyle, 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.240 social martial arts of being able to see what's coming. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.040 And that's why it was always said quest for knowledge yourself. 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.600 So at that particular juncture, you know, young people say, 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.160 you know, it ain't gonna be given out there. So 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.280 I'm I'm gonna seek. I'm gonna gravitate to the five 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.000 percenter and still have a piece of myself, you know, 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.480 without it being a regiment you know, regimented situation. So 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.079 you know, he would go back and forth from Long 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:56.439 Island to Brooklyn, still claimed Brooklyn because it was yeah, yeah, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.320 well you know back then, it's like people were like 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:09.600 claiming everybody or pretty much like many people because New 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.520 York is a melting pot. When you study New York, 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.800 it's a melting pot. Everybody's from from all over. Man. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.920 You when you study migration, that's the movement of our people. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:18.559 So what youre doing with my water, sir, I I 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.440 don't understand what's what's going on over so it don't 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.880 be shy. And I am afraid man. As y'all get 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.240 you know your thing, I'm gonna still be here for anyway. Yeah, 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.839 so his name was like what Chillo ski? Oh that 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.200 was a horrible name. Buster Well, well it kind of worked. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.880 But what we used to do. We used to be like, listen, man, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.959 I'm a big sports head man and go Knicks because 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.719 I'm catching the game and big out, big shout out 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.479 to my man Cpter Fanchise for Knicks Fan TV. But anyway, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.680 I'm a big sports fan. So one thing about sports, 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.079 you can't just come off the top of your head 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.160 and say what's what This fact is fact and you 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.480 got to go off the facts. So it was like, listen, man, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.320 we need something to represent the way you spit the 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.520 way you guys rhyn man. But we got to rename 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.080 y'all because man out there, man, there's a million rappers 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.280 right now. Now, it's a trillion. Back then, it's like 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:09.360 you back then, back then, Yo man. That's why you 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.960 can't tell a streamer yo man. You can't come. You 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:13.960 can't come to a New Yorker and say, yo, man, 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.240 this is that because it cat's been like I've been 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.200 seeing Ryman for fifty years. Yo. It's so anyway, long 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:24.160 story short, I'm like, yo, man, this cat plays football 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.880 for Nebraska. His name was Buster Rhymes. I knew at 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.000 that particular time, man, I said, damn if I could 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:31.280 pick a new name. And I was kind of a 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.520 little established. Wait time out, what did you just his 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:39.640 name was Buster Runs. There was a guy and he played, 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.560 and he played later on for the Minnesota Viking. He 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:49.840 has to hate Buster. I think Buster middle later on. Anyway, 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.600 I said listen to it, and back then I was like, 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.760 but why you blow in my mind? Right now, I'm like, 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.640 I got chills. Well it's documented, so I said, listen, Chiller, 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.320 Ski's not gonna work you, Buster Rhymes, And that's what 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.719 your name is of course you get the side the 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.520 side eyed at the times, like nah, I'm not feeling 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.439 this Buster around son, you Buster rhymes, y'aller leaders in 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:14.200 new school. And Hank named um Brian Higgins, you know, 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.360 big up the Higgins and Higgins Higgins brother Yo. He 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.160 named them. Charlie Brown and Dinko d already had a 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.760 fly and they're teenagers at the time. Matter of fact, 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.800 they was around. They was always downstairs and at the 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.120 five ten recording studios. And when we first came up 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.640 with the track of Rubbel without the pores, they were 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.800 just hanging around. So every time we play, I remember 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.120 them climbing and running up the side of the walls 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.560 and they're like, sit your motherfucking asses down. And every 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:45.839 time we go back to it, they go crazy and 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.720 doing like they they like like they energies in their music. Yo. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.079 They they like transforming. Their bodies were bending and ship 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.959 running up the ceiling and I'm like, we got something here, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:03.240 you know what. But I know he always comes to 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.600 me and I'm like, Buster, listen, man, you your old man, yo. 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.280 You my fault or you know you stop it, stop it. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:15.079 Our job was our job is like listen, public enemy 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.400 we servicemen, we service. This is our military man. We 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.760 don't take the claim and any credit individual e man, 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.640 this is what we do. We love the art form. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:26.840 Were just like you know, and I'm not even oh, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.080 this is a fifty year hip hop. I'm not Oh 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.000 I'm sixty two, I ain't it or you know, in 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.320 my sixty thirty year, I ain't it. Oh something fifty 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.480 years old. So I'm just like I remember when it 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:41.040 was on a tricycle. Yeah, I know, you know, I'm 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:43.400 you know, I'm not in all of it. I've seen 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.760 it on a tricycle. Just don't want to see people 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.640 driving into a ditch, that's all. So so I'm saying, 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.920 you know, we're servicemen and we give things, as Griff 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.200 would say, So that's that's the thing is trained mental. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.720 But the same thing in sports, right you know, young 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.840 ca they got talent, you want to manifest that into 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.680 a skill and then you want that skill to work 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.920 for them, so they do their thing. Because you know 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:13.720 this this fifty years of hip hop, but every five 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.760 years is a generation. So there's ten generations in hip hop. 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.880 Ten generations. I mean look from you know recorded wise, right, Well, 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.640 you got the first generation seventy three to seventy eight. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.080 Then what you got seventy nine to eighty four. That's 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.200 the first five years of recording. You got eighty and 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:36.120 four to eighty nine. Okay, you got eighty nine to 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:40.480 like ninety four, then you got ninety five to like 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:46.000 you can kind of see changes in Yeah, So every 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.640 generation got their thing, so they got their ways and 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.040 and if you can find like comment denominators to teach 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.920 them how to do them better or not even better 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.840 because artist subjective. Man, a lot of people aren't studied 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:00.680 in the arts, so a lot of times they put 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.880 it in a competition mode without saying, well damn, you 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.440 got license to ill as an art you know, so 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:10.840 they's not teaching the art awards, teaching the war of art, right. Yeah, 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.840 we just had the Isley Brothers on right and they 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:20.240 spoke about um uh, fight the power. Yes they're making 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.800 that record, and it made me also think it was 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.920 like fight the powers is saying to fight, you know, 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:30.480 against the establishments the regimes that when they made that record. 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.240 This is what I'm trying to say, how is that 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.480 record still relevant to this day? Right now? You can 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:41.120 still their virginal your Vergi and it's goodness because it's 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.440 not yea to fight the bout Why the fun were 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:48.000 still gonna fight things is Nina Simone once said that 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.760 artists should speak in the time in which they lived. Damn, 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:56.600 that's pretty and fight the powers. One of those things 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.840 you don't at the time. You know, you have all 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.560 these companies and they they in our neighborhood, but they're 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.919 not giving back. They're not doing anything for the neighborhood. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.359 You you you most of the time, and this and 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.120 this is crazy. We're the athletes. You go to our schools. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.560 Some of the topic, especially in Florida. I grew up 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:19.120 here in Pojokee, Florida, right, and some of the top athletes. 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.640 But these companies that they go to they ain't building nothing. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.280 They ain't giving back a community center or rec center 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.880 to keep them off the streets. And that was one 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.800 of the things that you know, we understood at that time. 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.560 You got to speak into the times in which you live. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.240 And I think when Nina Simone said that, that was 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:43.200 that was a pivotal time, you know, because these generations 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.800 they get lost and and right now they keep it. 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.399 How you gonna be a boy at thirty five. You know, 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.480 you're a man and they're keeping they're dumbing down rat. 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.320 Really that's that's that's what I'm saying. I said, you guys, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:02.080 I said, you guys are DM on Twitter lamm Twitter. 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.600 But it showed a great example of a young cat. 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.200 I don't know where they was at, but his name 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:11.200 was Ali and young young Cats was in the streets 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.560 and they had beef. But of course something that's lifted 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.560 into the style of everybody capturing everything, so it's like 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.920 you got bystanders now trying to document, but it's become 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.200 this other thing. And he stepped in the middle of 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.240 it as a slightly older head. Maybe he was ten, 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.119 maybe fifteen years older than them. And you know, I mean, 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.840 I'm not going to reiterate everything in the video if 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.520 I could, but I'm just like saying that that example 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.320 of stand up is what happened all the time, because 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.440 it's it's standing up with love and whatever you do 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.840 and approach anything, you know, you gotta you gotta approach 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.840 with love. Man. That's why sometimes in the business, you know, 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:51.080 Quincy Jones, mister Quincy Jones, he says, you know, like 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.080 you know, it's straight up, you know, the artists. Art 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.159 artists love and introducing the conversation with especially you know 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.920 young men in the street, all that he's got to 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.120 do it with love. But so his business is happening. 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.440 You know, once money comes in, God walks out the room. 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:11.680 So the love. Yeah, anyway, I gotta, I gotta, I 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.320 gotta represent you know, um a lot of the times, 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.760 you know this is the crown iconic. Of course, of 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:21.720 course I gotta take because I gotta show my generation. 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.480 My generation took these off. You know what I'm saying. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:40.080 But I would say that I leave one another thing anhing, No, no, no, no, 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.960 It's very cool to stay in your lane. Catch just 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:45.359 like coming to me. I said, Yo, man, I ain't 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.919 my lane. I got love for it, but ain't as 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:49.960 long as it's your lane. The problem is people trying 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.040 to jump another lane are uncomfortable for them. Bro listen, 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:54.960 I ain't trying to peel that nothing. I ain't trying 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.800 to sell anything. I'm actually you know, my team's always like, dude, 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:00.840 you need to sell. I'm like, I'm in it for 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.600 the art. They saying, I'm It's the opposite of maybe 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.359 in big respect, out the Jay and everybody I'm not 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:11.959 a businessman. That's real. I've never heard nobody. I am 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:16.000 an artist. I'm an artist since nineteen sixty. You know, 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.119 artists shorts for artificial it's not real. It's a facsimile 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.200 of the life that we see and leave. But but 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.680 that's my choosing, you know, I think when it comes 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.200 down but I think, well, I think when it comes 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:32.159 down to the business, it's like you only could do 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.240 so much for yourself as an individual, but how much 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.720 you know, like this this team around you. You you 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.680 work and you strive to go forward, to evolve and 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.040 all that for them to be able to come up 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.320 and grow. And I've been very fortunate, and we've always 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:48.760 had bumps in the road because you never seen me 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.240 out kid yo, by this, by that, by that, there's 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:55.640 nothing against that. But but we've been um as as 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:58.680 black folk and even others involved with us, you know, 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:04.320 like employable for amongst ourselves for like what thirty five years, 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:07.560 thirty six years, thirty six don't think for yourself because 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:09.040 a lot of times people are like, oh, man, you're 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.880 getting this, You're getting us. Not man, I gotta think 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.959 for the totem pole of people are coming up. How 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:16.600 do they make a living, how do they get their 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.080 first house? You know what I'm saying. That's the theme 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.280 of what this should all be about. It's no knock 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.960 for anybody that doesn't have that thing, because because we're 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.960 all individuals with human beings, there is a human glitch. 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.160 But I'm not the one to figure it out. I'm 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.280 just not in the business and making black folks look bad. 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.800 I'm just in and I'm saying I'm not in that business. 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.439 And there's this you know, there's business is out there 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:43.200 that thrive on it ever since what shackles slavery both 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:46.080 you know what I'm saying like that, But i mean, 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:51.600 let's let's let's be clear, right, you guys had major success, 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:55.840 and what success comes you know, all the other parts 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.680 of the world, Like how come I've never heard be 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:04.320 involved in like conspiracy scandal like and but obviously there 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:08.159 was it was around. I'm thinking that we've been one 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:11.200 hundred and sixteen countries, one hundred and sixteen I'm sorry, 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:14.960 I'm making some noise of that. Well, by the way, 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.199 let me just let me just be clear. By the way, 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:18.760 let's just be clear, I didn't even know there was 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.879 one hundred sixteen countries. I didn't even know that twenty two. Now, 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:27.399 that's how that's I. I thought I had success just 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:29.959 now like that just hurt me. Success I didn't even 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.199 though it was two hundred countries. Success is relative. Bro, 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:35.520 you're very success who you've been to one hundred and 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:40.280 sixteen countries? Yeah, But but I just strow it out there. 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:41.840 I understand this. I'm gonna just s throw it out there. 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.960 But look, there's people out there like Master aceh like 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.119 a lot, I mean Ace out there is always living 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:52.280 somewhere else in the world. This is a truck d 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:57.560 you got over some cholch. But the thing about you're 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:01.040 invited to go to these places and whole school of 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:03.399 where we came from is that you're invited to go 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:06.119 to the places, leave an impression, make a path for 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.960 others to come in and romp shit out because I mean, listen, 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:13.160 the positive thing and this to that whatever the number 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:16.800 one goal, as we're taught by our master teacher, Dougie Fresh, 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:20.000 right right, look at Dougie Fresh as well. Fresh, leave 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:25.000 that fucking stage fucking destroyed. Yes, leave destroy that stage 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:27.960 with rap and music and hip hop. We'd be like, no, 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.360 we didn't make appeal in music. Matter fact, we made 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:32.640 music at the same time, like we're trying to make 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:34.800 you not like our music. So when you see us, 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.480 you'd be like, what the fuck is this? You know? 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.440 I mean it's sort of like that crazy ass heavy 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:45.119 metal attitude, like like the groupies outside. Yeah, everybody's everybody 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:51.040 and this part of the world, man, the South, you're 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:54.080 in an inner team of business. You know that, you know, 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:56.320 the whole the whole thing. I've been telling people all 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:57.600 my life. Be like, oh man, I didn't think you 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.240 were so engaging. I said, dude, I've been in hating 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:04.080 the business. I'm not a preacher. I don't have no churches, man, 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:07.720 you know, I don't write just or rhythmic dissertations. But 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:11.160 I'm saying that I am in the entertainment business. Hip hop, 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:14.920 rap music is my thing. That is my religion. I'll 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:18.119 go around and stomp out a ball. I would definitely 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:20.280 back in the day, I'll be like, listen, I would 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:22.000 have to ask you like a lines of morning we 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.160 like when I hit that stage, it's like you're gonna 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:27.920 come and tear this ship up, Like but yeah, yeah, 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:35.359 that's all the big I would see lines of morning 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.240 with that vein in the savage. Yeah, coming to the court, 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:42.000 I was like, and go chake that stage and chew 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:43.560 it up. But you know you gotta get taught that 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.359 and when you first start and and big up to 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:49.680 my man Paul and say, uh he in Possaic. He 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:53.160 saw our first show. Yeah, he saw our first show 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:56.199 in Prosaic, New Jersey. Number one. End up in nineteen 0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:58.920 eighty seven, people droping up for the baste boards April first. 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:03.320 I got ten years old, was ten years old Capital 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:08.400 Theater Number one. You start out right, and I couldn't 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:11.359 you know number one. You're trying to like yo, like 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:14.560 I'm trying to kno fuck up, you know what I'm saying. 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:17.280 And then the Beastie Boys that second show we did 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:20.159 with them, we're in an arena. Were in the arena 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:22.280 like like you know, like the same spot I'll be 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:25.639 seeing Cash play basketball like we played Providence the second 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:31.440 show arena and I'm like, whoa like like the whole 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.560 the audience looked like a pizza, like a like a 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:37.720 Calico rug. Right, how do you why do you and 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:43.359 just make pizza sound bad? You don't see nothing. And 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:46.520 then all of a sudden right, you know, you know, 0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:50.200 I was getting through that tour nervous. I was nervous 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:55.639 my whole first year, and you know we finally nervous. 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.800 You're talking about nineteen eighty seven and the Latin Quarters 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:03.400 with Mellie Men get that story later, listen. So I'm 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:05.680 so nervous. And one day I've seening Mike D. He 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:09.119 was like totally drunk, right, and he did his verses 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:12.240 and he like he he just fell out, but he 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.399 still was on the floor laughing. And I was like, 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.760 you could do that. Anything goes. Unless I saw Mike 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.600 D did that, I loosened up because I'm like, damn, 0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.200 anything goes on the stage if you could kind of 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:25.000 like still stay with it. And it was three of them, 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:28.600 and that loosened me up like crazy. So um yeah, man, 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:32.879 It's like, you know, I'm a firm believer. You're owner 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:35.920 to what you think, but a slave to what you say. 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:39.080 You know what I'm saying. So a lot of times 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:42.000 people are like, oh, man, watch out for valad, watch 0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:45.520 out for drink Chace man, yo man uh sound bites 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:47.880 and clicks. I'm like, you're owner to what you think, 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:55.160 you slay to what you say, Yeah, sick. But by 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:57.159 the way, by the way, I didn't say that the 0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:02.040 fuck out of here. Yeah, listen, listen, you the saw 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:06.359 of what you think exactly. Listen. The easiest thing. A 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:08.760 lot of people blame alcohol, and it's not alcohol. Alcohol 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:12.359 just enhances. Yes, it rolls it out, you know. And 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.080 and I'll get to that in a second. But like 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:18.920 I said, like, you know, the easiest thing for people 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.960 to deal with it saying fuck, I don't know you 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.120 know what I'm saying. You're gonna take press. But see 0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:26.800 here we in the game. And let me tell you 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:30.119 public interview if you say all that, we're the first 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:35.760 to take on an interview with a vengeance myself, Griff James. 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.720 There was no music press at all for black artists 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:42.200 in the eighties, you know, Prince and Michael Jackson wasn't 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:46.440 fucking with no interviews. So and then after Rundem scene 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:52.159 got accused of starting riots in in nineteen eighty six. No, 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:55.280 and yeah, they got accused for starting riots because there 0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:59.560 was a big conflict Crisson the Bloods nineteen eighty six, 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:03.680 Long Beach, California. They had some some and the press 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:05.680 didn't even know what to call it, so it must 0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.560 have been run DMC. So I win. You know, I 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:12.920 just kind of bloods holy shit, yeah, because you know, 0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:15.439 like they had factions and the beginning of the crypton 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.520 bloods And I'm not gonna be an expert on this, 0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.800 but you know, at the beginning they were neighborhood guardians, right. 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.520 But then just like in New York, all of a 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:27.399 sudden the nineteen eighties, which is R and B, Reagan 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.879 and Bush, right, they come in and all of a 0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.800 sudden in the neighborhood include now neighborhood Long Island, there's 0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:37.480 an influx of guns. There's an influx of drugs out 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:40.320 of nowhere, right, And this is on the tail end 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.160 or the seventies. And y'all saw the movie Un American 0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.560 Gangster and stuff like that, in the whole Nicky Bad 0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:49.080 Lucas Starry and all that. But also that was tied 0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:52.520 into other situations. You could go into the CIA and 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:54.840 all that stuff. Pretty sure, I mean, you got the 0:28:54.920 --> 0:29:02.320 name Noriego Snowfall. But but but like there's no accident. 0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.680 So in the eighties when this came up, you know, 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.400 all of a sudden, in Los Angeles, what used to 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.520 be the neighborhood guardians. You know, hey, look, you don't 0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:12.720 come to this turf the script's blood. Then all of 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.440 a sudden, you're fueling the next generation the young heads. 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:18.440 That's that's like okay, I mean yo, I'm getting this 0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:20.320 money and old head ain't got no money. So now 0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:23.480 money is the divide line. God walks out the room. 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.440 So they turned into a different army with guns where 0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:29.239 like boom boom. So it's like where where this thing 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:33.320 came from? In eighty six, they got everybody, everybody listening 0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:35.800 to rap music. Kda's the radio station out there. They 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:37.880 got everybody in the spot and just happened to be 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:41.680 the meeting place where cats convened and something broke out 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:43.920 and they blamed in our rap music in nineteen eighty six, 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:45.800 that's what I was saying. And I told Bill Outler, 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:47.920 I said, you know what, man, I'm ready to do 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:51.320 this public enemy thing because I'm gonna be the motherfucker 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.920 that they ain't never gonna see before. Now. I was 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.240 trained to like do interviews and give interviews and shit 0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:00.640 like that being a sports fan, so that one thing 0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:04.200 led to another and the birth of public Enemy. We 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:08.160 would be getting large expanses of interviews man all over 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.920 the world, because I said, Yo, what we have is 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:13.600 something y'all don't know about, and we know everything about you. 0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:16.360 That's the same thing like and martial arts that that 0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:23.600 these guys do. It's like arts. You're gonna start smiling. 0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:29.560 He rode to James. I mean, they they they've been 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:32.240 there since minute one. They used to do the security 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:36.280 of our gigs with myself, Hank, Keith Shockley, you know, 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:40.240 and you know we used to do the gigs flavor myself, 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.000 Keith was on the radio station doing mixes and stuff 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:46.680 like that. So we all just together terminator asks of course, 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:49.400 you know. So we bought it all together to be 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.880 this one thing. And and I'm just finished off the 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:55.680 Public Enemy thing. It's like I said no for two 0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:59.840 years doing Public Enemy and won't do records. We wanted 0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:03.640 to be what Deaf Jam was building, and we wanted 0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:05.760 to be like the motown of hip hop because I 0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:09.800 mean myself, Bill, Stephany, Hank, we wanted to like trade 0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:12.320 you see, like what came out of it, like busting them. 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.600 It was like, you know, and we have more to 0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.400 come out. So I was a key development person. I 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:19.880 was like the Smokey Robinson man. I would work with 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:23.200 the artists, arrange them. We're naming it, do the art 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:25.440 stuff like that. We would all put you know, cats 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:27.480 in a gig. We would treat them right when they 0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:29.560 come along outland. It's like, man, we'll bring you out, 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:31.960 we'll treat you like superstars, and we'll send you back 0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:35.480 home safe boom. One of our biggest groups that we 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:40.000 always had a ball is promoting stets of Sonic was Yeah, man, 0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.600 my man, Daddy O is like thick up the Daddy O. 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:47.200 He's like the you know, the guru professor Daddy, like 0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:51.160 three thousand haircuts. Yeah, always a different sided. Mean to 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.120 take it there with it. But I'm saying that that 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.080 when you go around the world, the number one thing, 0:31:57.680 --> 0:31:59.840 number one thing to wherever you're at is know the law. 0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:06.280 Because when you know the law, then you can operate 0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:09.920 on figuring out it's flaws. When you have no justice 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.520 to fight the law, you can't fight the lad not 0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:15.960 knowing the law. Right and then and then expect some 0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.600 some clap back on that. That was a Black Panthers. 0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:23.120 Black Panthers was college students, neighborhood activists that knew the 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:28.520 law and use the law right and still us you 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:30.880 know what I mean. Listen man, the community is always 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.160 full of thinkers and doers. You know, you need thinkers, 0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.080 but they could come up to a certain point. You 0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:40.720 need doings, but they just can't just just be doing it. Yeah, 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:42.840 so you need a combination and then and that's what 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:46.560 we was a combination thinkers do is move and shakers. 0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:50.280 But also let's let's not get it twisted. We're in 0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.360 the entertainment business in hip hop. When you're trying to 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.520 give young people something to do, we're just trying to 0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:57.240 be active. We trying to be motivating and give young 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.960 people something to do by enlightening them and not look 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:03.200 down on them. Although there's a lot of things you 0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:05.080 can look down on, but you gotta look across there 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.600 and say, listen, man, how do you think it's gonna 0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:09.960 You know, work long term is a good look. You 0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:12.160 gotta ask them questions, you gotta engage on that. But 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:15.080 that's a lot of work, man, it's a lot of work. 0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:17.400 But hold you mentioned going back to you saying that 0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:19.400 you wanted to be the motown, you wanted to produce 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.520 and development. Was that chance one of the first chances 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.120 when when Cube, that opportunity came for you guys to 0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.680 produce America's most wanting And how did that all come about? 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.440 Cause I cannot cannot because that was a marriage of 0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:33.920 great worlds. Let me let me just say something. And 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:38.560 I watched um math Hoppa and them talk about this 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:43.160 fantastic show. So what happened was on there? They said 0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.800 that Smith and Weston at one time, Smith and Weston 0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:48.880 got down with Tupac at that time where Tupac was 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:52.040 hated on the East Coast. So at that time, I'm 0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:54.040 going to be honest as a fan, I was not 0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:57.000 into this music industry at all. I was thrown off 0:33:57.000 --> 0:34:00.680 a little bit too because how easily the ice Cube 0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.760 was accepted in the East Coast. Because I didn't feel 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.800 this is me as a person, this is this is 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:12.040 not Nori, this is Poppy in Left Frack City. I 0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:17.239 felt that. I felt, I felt the West Coast would 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.359 not do that to any other artists other than Public Enemy, 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:22.960 Like we wouldn't be accepted in the West Coast. But 0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:26.560 when ice Cube came here, it was like all arms. 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:33.720 In my opinion, this my humble no no industry, no industry, 0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:37.920 no industry. Here, we're gonna remember we didn't have Instagram 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:39.279 back then. We didn't know that, We didn't know that 0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:42.239 you had a relationship, So the media wasn't the same. 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:45.560 Like people discovered America's most wanted and in that moment 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:47.799 discovered that he left n W. That's how I, as 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:49.720 a kid, open it up and I see bomb squad 0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:51.799 And here's the crazy thing about that. I'm sorry, I'm 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:55.160 started making this question social, but no, Well, here's the 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.239 crazy thing about that. Here's a crazy thing about that. 0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.239 I was so much an n WA fan at that time. 0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.560 I didn't want to accept anything that was going to 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:04.680 but I was such a fan of both. To see 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:10.800 that marriage. I was listen, is like the best the country. 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.480 The whole was talking together, and I think the night 0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:19.680 this is love this. But Q came to the show 0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:23.959 we did at the Palladium. Man, what was eighty eight? Listen? 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:27.920 I'm I'm the only reason I'm a fact checker because 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:30.440 all I did all my life as being a sports 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:32.960 fan is watched this hip hop ship. And I was 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:38.000 a fan of everything everything from from before records. I 0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:39.920 was a fan. I didn't want to do it. I 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:41.760 just wanted to be a fan. I wanted to do Flyers. 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:43.840 That's why I gave you a book I did. I 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.279 did the best Flyers. I wanted to compete and bust 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:50.120 everybody in the world. And Flyers go to the gig 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.960 Geant supper Storm go home knowing I got my hip 0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:55.920 hop in. It's a rebel type of thing with me, 0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:01.799 this ship man, we need the seventies with let's ever listen. 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.320 I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not 0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:08.520 gonna go off tangent. I was in high school in 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:12.520 seventy six and seventy seven. Bro I graduated seventy seventy eight. 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:20.400 You ain't have a Gumby Niaga up. You had, you know, 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.080 I mean you you you had to go. I mean, 0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:26.279 I'm in college in nineteen seventy eight, Broad. Although I 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:30.080 tried to be rebellious and wear kicks, sometimes they'd been like, nah, 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:31.680 we ain't fucking having them kicks up in here, And 0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:34.440 you had to make adjustments. You know, I wasn't wearing playboys, 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.239 but you know I was platforms or whatever getting you. 0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:40.759 If you you didn't want to be a wallflower man 0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.960 with the fuck you standing on the wall, it's dance music. Man, 0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:47.400 this ship is popping. DJ's is rocking and stuff, and 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:50.120 so you would standing on the wall, and and and 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:52.680 and girls is in the spot when you're gonna get 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:54.359 on the wall. And if you ain't one of those 0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:58.640 big afro do to hustle pretty boys, you better fucking 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.839 have some fucking game. Better you get off that wall 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:04.279 to make it happen. That party is trying to throw 0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:08.640 your hands and had shit like, you know, find one 0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.279 groundwe get behind one, let's go, you know what I'm saying. 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:13.920 So the DJ's and the MC was like trying to 0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:18.960 get the party moving. If you ain't moving, security problem, 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:23.400 and and and when you have the party not popping, 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:29.520 especially if it's lopsided on population, you got penitentiary six. Man, 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:33.000 it's a security problem. See today they spend a lot 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.800 of money on compunity, right, a lot of money on security. 0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.439 Back then, your ship had to be yo, your ship 0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:43.080 had to be so popping that the most thug, the 0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.160 super thug, got a super thug be like, you know what, 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.920 I ain't trying to suck this party up, and nobody 0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:54.840 else better not fuck this party. That's making sure. But 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:57.160 he was moving right, and then your crap flashes them 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.839 wasn't lying you was a whack DJ now only were 0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:03.360 you might get shot at motherfucker's taking your ship. What 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:05.959 you're gonna do? Oh, police stopped this. You know, DJA 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:11.440 is better be lucky. I'm trying to tell you now. 0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.360 You didn't want that problem, man, You didn't want that problem. 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:17.719 Also taking black people's money, man, it was a you know, 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.160 I Hack told me a story once man that he 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.439 went to this fight in Brooklyn, man, and the act 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:27.360 was so whacked. Man. They robbed everybody at Believing Cats 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.520 and Cats and Brooklyn robbed everybody upon leaving the venue 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:38.160 coase to the act group of God. So yeah, so yeah, 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:41.160 My point is before you took me to the dance borld, 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:47.560 like thank you, thank you, because let me just reiterate 0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:50.600 what my point. You wanna take me to another tangent? No, no, 0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:56.239 it was it was it was something that was had 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.759 never been done before, Like the East Coast wasn't easy. 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:03.879 Number one, you from the four boroughs at that particularly chime, 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:11.000 four Burroughs and Queens is barely hanging on. Damn. I'm 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:20.399 point in Queens nineteen sixty all right before forty years 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:25.080 before Shake Steadium, the people he invaded Flushing, Yeah, exactly so. 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:27.200 And also I live I lived in I tell I 0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:31.000 tell this Molly and all the time Nas and Cormega. 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:34.480 My family lived in Queensbridge the first two years. That 0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:42.000 makes yeah, queens big after Cormeica. Yes, we got to 0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:45.440 get um Mega on here. He's having some issues with 0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:48.800 his label right now. We were like him to express it. 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:53.120 He's a beautiful cat He's a great, beautiful cat man. Guys, 0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:57.480 come on big, Happy birthday launch Professor, DJ Premier. Damn it, God, 0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:04.319 damn it lost professor. Yeah, all right, yeah, how does 0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:06.399 this call happen? He just calls you out the blue. 0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:09.759 But number one, we come out with Yo brummers to 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:13.640 show in nineteen eighty seven we are crue, we ain't 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:17.359 from the city and we in car culture. I mean, 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.000 you're going to get yours as the first single released, 0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:23.279 I guess and I'm I'm I'll give my love to 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:26.319 my ninety eight Oldsmobile. Really I had a ninety eight 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:31.879 Oldsmobile because yeah, the nineteenth posse those were the kind 0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:35.440 of like thugs in Long Island made, but they all 0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.640 drove ninety eight old Mosobile. Ninety eight the crazy thing 0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:42.319 about them. Everybody used to come out to Roosevelt, which 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:45.120 they called the Harlem a long island, right, and they 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:47.839 had the Roosevelt Roller Ring and casts to come from 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:51.360 Queens and Brooklyn, and the ninety eight Posse was from Himpstead, Roosevelt, 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.759 New York. No, that's for the OUTCA. Now that that 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:59.160 sparres another level, okay, right, But the ninety eight Posse, man, 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:02.720 they were so unique that they would put their they 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:06.600 would put their cars together. They were all mechanics. They 0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:09.160 would rob you. They would just say, you don't want 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:12.879 to get on the wrong side of them. Matter of fact, Listen, 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:16.480 our gigs had standoffs between the ninety eight Posse and 0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:19.440 the s one ws was a security and then finally 0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:22.440 they came together saying that anybody did come to our gigs, 0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:26.160 you better not fuck up, because didn't it. It was 0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:30.040 almost a war with him one one night in Hempstead, 0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:33.680 New York at the Korean ball Room. Yeah. Well, anyway, 0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:36.560 they ended up being together, like you didn't want to 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:39.080 mess up one of our events because you know, you know, 0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:41.600 you come out there mess up our event, there ain't 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:43.440 nothing happening out there. They ain't like we ain't got 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:45.839 things like Queens and Brooklyn. You mess up with event 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:48.239 out there some problems. So they even got together the 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:51.360 super Thus and also the s run W so you 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:55.960 came out there. It was the unbelievable experience. Long story short, 0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:01.760 um ninety eight posse uh. They would put their cars together, 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:06.400 they would cut off the highways so you couldn't get 0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:09.880 up out of there, and they you know, so they 0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:13.040 they were pretty much a theme. So bum Ruster the 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:18.120 Show was our first album, and it operated around something similar. 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.120 You know, Los Angeles. You you ain't catching the bus 0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:23.360 out there. You ain't got no car man, especially you 0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:27.960 were costing a torrance or the outskirt places cost the city. Man, 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:32.160 you ain't getting nowhere. So they understood there were similarities, 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:34.360 and you know and us and Iced Tea, who was 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:35.320 out there. In a matter of fact, he was the 0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:38.359 first big up to my my bro bro Iced Tea 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:41.040 because every every year Iced team makes history. You know 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.719 why because he's the eldest and he gets in those 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.359 red air So Iced Tea when he turns the age 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:50.440 like sixty four, sixty five, I think sixty five, he's like, man, 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:52.799 no rapper ever been there, And then ten years later 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:54.960 he was saying, oh so so turns sixty Iced team 0:42:54.960 --> 0:43:02.000 did this intend doing the heavy metal rap and rappe 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:07.680 and doing such a great person a TV twenty five 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:12.839 years and all. I never told me no like because 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:18.080 I'm always trying to he He's the Kiss the ring 0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:22.200 god Father for real. So in Wa when they came 0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:25.000 out their first record, they did what Wu Tang did, 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.520 like what eleven years later they had a whole bunch 0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:29.880 of cats out there, rhyme and little cruise, and they 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:32.000 grouped them all together. If you look at n WA 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:35.680 in the posse, they wearing clocks from the back of 0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:40.319 ye I have the feel and feel Fresh crew. Yeah yeah, 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:45.360 they wearing clock yea yeah yeah yeah yeah. At the 0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:49.360 Easy Old at the end of eighty seven, we started 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.440 doing you know shows and they started saying, oh Nwa 0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:54.600 because they had dope Man and stuff like that. Q 0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:58.160 Easy had already come out. Easy already came out. Um 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.400 d Oc was from Exist, but he was part of 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:04.920 a crew out in Texas and mccola Records was an 0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:09.080 independent record label and actually it was a record label 0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.600 from a pressing plant they had in La just kind 0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:14.080 of took all the rappers at that particular time, and 0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:16.640 then that time at eighty seven, like grouped them together 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:20.560 and that was in Wai was an attitude, but it 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:25.000 meant a lot of crews, Raman Prince, all of all 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:27.799 the founders, Linzo and all those cats man and they 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:29.880 had this scene out there and this was put in together. 0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:32.279 And then we toured a couple of times, and that's 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:35.680 when I first started, you know, knowing Dre knowing Q 0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:38.920 who basically looked up to me and said, well, I 0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:43.080 got my style off for you. And I was like, well, 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:45.800 I got this style off for school e D. And 0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:47.759 I talked to schools. They pick up the school D 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:52.439 my bro bro school D right, yeah legend yeah yeah 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:54.719 man so so and I told him, well, I got 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:58.040 that style off for school Man eighty six and you 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:01.040 know schoolies, I got that ship off a mel Wow. 0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:08.080 So were fraternity And although you know, like even after 0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:10.560 us in the nineties and the two thousands, people don't 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.880 think that this lineage, this lineage, yeah, so Q, you know, 0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:16.759 at that particular time, was like, you know, bro Bro, 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:20.200 They're coming up in wa and then we come up 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:24.399 with Takes the Nation millions and this is funny were 0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:29.480 playing Vegas and NWA's on the show, and uh, you know, 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:32.040 I get the I get the test present from Glenn 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:35.600 Glenn Freedman, who actually is the photographer who did The 0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:39.200 Nation's cover, though much the show iced Tea. In fact, 0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:41.120 the first time I met iced Tea in La, he 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:45.680 looked just like Ron Paye's cover, except for Darlene wasn't 0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:51.160 in that in that cover people Africa, It's pulled up 0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:52.879 in that porch. It was like, yo, I'm gonna give 0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:54.680 you the rules when you come out to LA and 0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.680 stuff like that. But Glenn Friedman was a photographer and 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:01.560 so he was then let in Las Vegas when we 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:05.400 played and he had to pick the the takes the 0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:11.200 Nation album and I'm getting a test present and I'm 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.480 looking at it. I'm like, what the fuck is you know, 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:16.120 because we're in an art direction down to the team. 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.239 Glenda Little ain't know because he'd be like the drop 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.239 shadow ain't right, and Glenn be trying to get a 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:24.680 royalty off your off the art work. I'm like, yeah, wait, wait. 0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:26.640 Glenn would take a photo and he tried to go 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.919 to depth gym and said, I want to royalty off 0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.279 of the off of my photo. They was like, no, 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:38.719 that's unprecedented. But he tried. He tried, right, you know, 0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:40.880 like like they say, if you're an asking then you 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:44.240 don't know if people gonna get it. So I remember 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:48.360 Easy and Dre also being in the wings, and I 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:50.520 handed it to them and they're looking at this shit, 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:56.319 like what the you say? Easy? Easy? And we were 0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.439 in the same corpridor matter of fact, matter of fact, 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.200 Mike Tyson was in the same corridor because I was 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:06.719 getting down and I saw John Little from HUDDI. Here's 0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:10.160 a funny thing, right, you know, John Little Man pick 0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:12.560 up the John Little from Houdini and also ex sols 0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:16.239 to my master teachers too. So Mike, Mike, this is 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:20.600 this is Mike Tyson nineteen eighty eight, Joy Wheel, John 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:26.439 Wheel right, and John lit is like, hell right, he does. 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:31.600 My name is John Little. He wasn't telling much that 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:41.640 John Wheel, John Wheel. John Little was like, that's the 0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:44.719 same fifty four four nights in the road and Mike 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:48.399 Tyson hung out with us. God damn it. So man. 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:52.840 So yeah, so that at that same corridor, I'm passing 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:58.000 that Easy and Dre and then of course QUBE's you know, bro, 0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:00.919 bro coming up on that. The developed in the next 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:04.120 thing Boom next year, straight out of Compton, which was 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:08.640 more like you know, like that East Coast fast speed 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:14.439 muscle and and and Dre was a one man, two 0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.279 man operations in there, but he could do all the 0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:22.520 ship that Hank myself, Eric Vietnam, Sadler, Keith, you know 0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:25.040 we all in a room, you know, doing some shit. 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:26.640 This is a one dude that do this ship with 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:31.600 an engineer and straight out of Compton. So and Wa 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:35.400 comes up does that thing. Then again, like I said, groups, 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:39.759 you know, you got issues, you got schedules, you got conflicts. 0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:42.600 And and Q wanted to do a solo record and 0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:44.800 said that, you know easy and Dre told him to 0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:47.640 wait maybe a year or two and back in them 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:51.000 days man a year or two. Yeah, man man rip 0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:56.400 van winkle Man. I'm saying so so um Q decided to, 0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:58.160 you know, do it with us. And it is a 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:02.719 key statement right here. In nineteen eighty nine, NWA played Apollo. 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:08.920 It was there that night. Okay sold out Yo man, 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:12.000 New York roasted them. It was like you talk about 0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:15.760 I want to make sure roast no, no, no, anyway 0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:22.359 you want to put don't say, well, God roasted them. 0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:26.719 And I told them downstairs, I said, listen, you guys 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:32.319 are from three thousand miles away Los Angeles. Miles will 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:36.360 be Neptune man, not New Jersey, Neptune out of space. 0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:39.000 You gotta go through this in New York. Trust me. 0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:41.399 I'm from Long Island, man. I went through this shit. 0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:45.200 Next year, if you show preseverance, New Yorker want to 0:49:45.239 --> 0:49:47.080 be shown that that that you get up. So I 0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:51.040 don't want to act like what's that word means? That mean? 0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:53.400 I keep going. I I ain't got a bunch of 0:49:53.440 --> 0:50:02.120 big words. Because anyway, you know, like I said, next year, 0:50:02.600 --> 0:50:04.160 you got to show that you could come back and 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:08.080 do so somebody, because this is New York, this is Apollo. 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:13.080 They they've been the man. They've been passing coffins out 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.880 of here for the last seventy years. They bow themself right, 0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:23.040 you know, yo back. Yeah. Man, it's hurts waiting on 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.200 the back of the Apollo every year, every show. Then 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:30.919 so so sure enough, Ice Cubes comes back the next 0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:34.120 year after we do the America's Most one because he 0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:37.120 had conflict, and then um oh this is after them. 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:39.920 Well we did America's Most for America's You did the 0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:43.000 joint with Big Daddy Kane Burn Hollywood Burn. Well, how 0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:45.800 it happened. We was in Green Street recording and me 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.440 and Kine have been circling around, just like me and 0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:54.239 the Drink Champs, but the studio, Me and me and 0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:56.480 Kane were circling around. Yeah, I'm gonna do this record. Yea, 0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:58.600 I'm gonna do this record with you. Yeah, We're circling. 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:02.080 Were circling and found rendezvous where we are the same 0:51:02.160 --> 0:51:04.600 place at the same time. So Kane came down to 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:07.680 do this record, Burn Hollywood Burn. And that's my sentiment 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:10.680 and my feelings to this moment, like Burn Hollywood Burn. 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:13.520 I'm never gonna have conversations in the Hollywood boardroom. I'm 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:15.680 gonna work with a team and they're gonna have those conversations. 0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:18.480 I'm about the art, right, So we got this thing 0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:22.279 Burn Hollywood Burn, and Qube was was being on the 0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:24.840 couch because I first sent them to like whoa go. 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:26.960 You know, I don't want to get a MIDI a conflict. 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:31.560 That's the group thing, yo, Yo, Can y'all produce my 0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:33.279 Albu the brom School. I'm like, I'm not get in 0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:37.400 the middle of that hook up with Sam Sever and 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:39.359 he talked to Sam Sever and I think I sent 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.520 them to somebody else. I was trying to get producers 0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:45.400 for for Cube. Cuba was like, man, fuck that, I 0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:47.640 want y'all to do my shit. I was like, it 0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:49.080 was right, we don't want to get in the middle 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:52.160 of that, not even when we kill our kids. A 0:51:52.200 --> 0:52:01.920 lot they got just like it's all about what alliances. Ye, 0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:04.160 we're out with new True Party. Man, you know what 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:06.640 I'm saying. Boom boom boom, You'll figure it out. We 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:10.400 got your your blessings in the back whatever. We're sovereign nation, right, 0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:16.080 so show enough. One thing led to another. Um. Hank 0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:18.360 thought it was a challenge once he was kind of 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:20.839 told like, you know, like it might be all right, 0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:22.440 and then Hank was like, Yo, let's go for it. 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.440 Let's let's do this. And already we already had to 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:28.360 knock out Fear of a Black Planet and then Hanking, 0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:31.640 Eric and him was finishing up the BBD album. But 0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:33.759 but did y'all change the sound like to make it 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:37.440 more No, because Hugh came in with what he wanted. Wow, 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:41.359 Sir Jenks was with him and they worked with Eric 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:44.080 Vietnam Saler. We just showed them, like the first thing 0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:47.000 I did with Q when I went to La and 0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:51.520 we finally agreed, I said, fuck, all this is that, 0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:55.000 the bells whistles, Pyro and all this stop by that 0:52:55.120 --> 0:53:02.359 CBS shot, pick up a ninety nine sent notebook. I said, 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:05.440 that's where it all starts. Bro, simple things. I'm not 0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:09.400 teaching Cube anything. It's like, listen, don't don't try to 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:12.840 do shit overnight. Don't try to change overnight, and do 0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:15.239 what we do. You can morph there on your own, 0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:18.680 trying not to say the same thing twice. You're not 0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:22.160 making an extended single. You're making an album. Make some 0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:24.440 records that people like, but make a couple of records 0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:26.799 that some shit. Hey, Cube took it to the hill. 0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:29.600 He's like, you love to hate, you know what I'm saying. 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:32.600 It's like, you know, just don't always try to please 0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:36.080 because hip hop is also you know, if you have 0:53:36.200 --> 0:53:39.239 a boardroom or record company, they're always trying to get 0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:42.160 motherfucker's just be on their knees and like love me, 0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:44.560 love me, and hipop has gotta also be like, no, 0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:46.319 I don't give a fuck if you don't like none 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:49.239 of this go to the opposite. Yeah, my job, my job. 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:51.960 But see, to me, it's been like almost to a 0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:54.920 point of like like disservice, Like I'll be like, I 0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:57.040 hope you hate the ship, so I an beat your 0:53:57.080 --> 0:53:59.640 ass with the ship. I mean, there was nothing appealing 0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:08.600 about public enemy music, nothing, nothing kind of public. It 0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:11.600 was like it was just a total contrarian thing. It's like, 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:14.880 we want you to not like this shit, but we 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.839 we leave the spot because we said loving and hate 0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:20.120 is the same emotion, right, you know what I'm saying. 0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:22.600 Once you once you're flatlining and you're in the middle 0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:25.040 of the road, and you kind of pleasing, you kind 0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:27.200 of not pleasing. I don't want to fit nobody, and 0:54:27.680 --> 0:54:31.440 you're in the middle. You unnoticed, especially back then you 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:34.879 playing with a bunch of acts. If your ship ain't 0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:37.239 Poppa you sent, you're gonna be sent back home. And 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:39.359 and then being sent back home is the worst thing. 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:41.359 I remember a couple of groups got sent back home 0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:43.480 and they were kicking rocks in the summertime, man, and 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.200 like New York is not the place to be if 0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:48.399 you know, if Boper is out there on the road 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:50.680 and on the tour. So one thing led to another 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:55.440 long story short about que did America's Most wanted um 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:57.759 he felt I had to I had to leave out 0:54:57.840 --> 0:54:59.879 at the end of the productions and head off on tour. 0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:03.719 But in twelve weeks the bomb squad did you have 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:07.920 a black planet? They'll bid the vote wow, And then 0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:11.680 America's Most won it. I didn't know Bellot and then 0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.400 the Cube was staring into the stratosphere after that, and 0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:17.400 then once Cuba and that was that. The production was 0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:20.200 genius on America. No, but once Cuban Jenis got it 0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:24.200 and that particular style, man he came out with that 0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:27.080 kill Kill, that will ep and my favorite record the 0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:30.080 Cube was jacking verbe. Was there any slack from the 0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:33.319 East Coast for like just accepting a West Coast artist 0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:36.400 at that time it was a low interpretation, but you know, 0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:38.440 like at the same time, it's gotta asked what that 0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:54.799 word me. I'm sorry it was at you. We don't 0:55:54.960 --> 0:56:00.640 get but still still the advantage see us get in sidewinder, 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:03.040 it's good a side comment for a second. Bring me 0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:06.440 back though, bring me back. But in this country, the 0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:10.480 arrogance of like when they look at people who are 0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:14.600 multi lingual, they look at them the lesser than when 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:17.399 most people in this country no fucking one barely one 0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:20.680 one language. They don't even speak the King's language. So 0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:22.320 when they're like, oh, yeah, I got this work of 0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:24.520 working for me, but they don't know no English, the 0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:28.120 fuck they know four languages. Man, they have an advantage 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:31.440 over you, and you have a disadvantage. That's only I 0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:34.000 was growing up. I always thought black was advantage. You 0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:37.040 know why, I said, shit, I know everything about everybody, 0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:39.600 but they don't know shit about me. I'm gonna you know, 0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:42.120 I got I got them. I'm gonna go wherever I 0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:44.719 want to go. It's like almost being on the court, 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:46.640 but knowing that you could go on both sides of 0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:48.880 both hands. It's like like they didn't stopped me to 0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:51.279 the hoop. And that's why we try to say, yeah, 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:54.359 this knowledge, wisdom and understanding. You're not gonna get into 0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:57.520 that microwaves, but you could get it like to the 0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:00.279 point where it works to your advent. Now everything people like, oh, man, 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:02.160 I know who black people are because all I got 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:04.919 I got nothing but rap songs and so therefore, yeah, 0:57:05.000 --> 0:57:08.080 but you're getting you're getting one side and you think 0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:11.800 you know us, well, you don't know my mom's struggle. 0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:15.000 You don't know my aunt's you know, middle name and 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:18.720 stuff like that. So let's grow together and stop act 0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:22.840 like you know everything about us before you selling market 0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:25.560 to us. Oh, we got them figured out, because what's 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:27.760 going to happen is that they're going to say, well, 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:29.720 you know, we ain't got you, oldhead, old gee, you 0:57:29.800 --> 0:57:32.280 on the way out. We got your grandkids anyway, because 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:34.800 we have programmed them to go where we want them 0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:36.720 to go and believe what we want them to believe. 0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:39.400 That's why you always have to have the legacy of 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.440 at least old jeans. They can't be measured by by money. 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:45.840 The money is a construct man, just like race is 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:48.240 a construct. But we have to understand the truth in 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:51.000 the matter is that the darker people of the Earth 0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:53.840 and these present times and talking the last two under 0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:59.360 three hundred years, we have been a disadvantaged and ostracized 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:03.080 for different reasons. And when we got to come up 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:08.160 out of that and order in order the quest to 0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:11.240 just say, accept us as a part of the human race. 0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:15.560 There's no no such thing as alien from another planet. 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:17.840 But it's a come up and we deserve the right 0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:21.480 to come up and be respected. So m you know, 0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:23.840 you could throw some some some some what when you 0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:26.320 call it lie in the wash? You know what I'm saying, 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:28.760 l y E and the wash, And it could corrupt 0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:30.720 a lot of different things. So it's always you know, 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:34.000 what's constant elevation, man, That's all it's about. So anyway, 0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:35.360 what was the part I said? I didn't want to 0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:38.439 getting lost? Q okay Q. So it's a simple fact 0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:41.120 of the matter. Q went into the stratosphere. After that, 0:58:41.560 --> 0:58:43.760 he came to New York And when Q played the 0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:48.480 Polo in nineteen ninety after the Boy Man, he came back. Man, 0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:54.240 imagine what. Yes, I'm surprised Apolo was still standing man, 0:58:54.280 --> 0:58:58.640 because he did. When I forgot what it's his set, 0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:01.960 I forgot what it said was Jacko fin Beings came 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:03.960 in ninety one. I'm gonna tell you how I know 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:07.680 New York was probably probably the hardest place to play ever. 0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:10.400 Was when I got a call from Big Boy from 0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:12.960 Outcast one time and Big Boy said, can you come 0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:16.160 with me to the tunnel? And I said why. He 0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:18.480 was like, I just want to New Yorker to stand 0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:23.200 And they were ten million at the time. I don't 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:25.720 even think I was gold, so I didn't even like 0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:29.480 I didn't know the the needs and older was was 0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:31.760 just there a big boy and we just stood on stage. 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:34.760 But New York would not throw a bottle or no, 0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:38.040 not because I was actually present, I didn't know that 0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:46.040 was a cheek call. Yeah, originally didn't matter the big 0:59:46.120 --> 0:59:49.920 boy at Atlanta. If people from out of town knew that, 0:59:50.440 --> 0:59:52.720 they knew that. Listen, you know New York we just 0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:56.600 well crazy shit is I remember Jay telling me this story, 0:59:57.720 --> 1:00:00.520 and this is recently when we sat down with him 1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:05.080 and Jay said, Jay said, he said, I always um 1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:07.880 think about the out of towners, who out of towners 1:00:08.800 --> 1:00:10.960 think that it's New York that hates on them. He's like, no, 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:15.240 we hate on each other. He said, Biggie got throw 1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:17.720 on the same bottle that I got, and it looks 1:00:17.720 --> 1:00:19.960 like it's like but the al of towners don't know that. 1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:21.120 You know what I mean? And this is a long 1:00:21.240 --> 1:00:25.040 song conversation that we have on drink chances. There's a 1:00:25.080 --> 1:00:28.400 lot of people thought that New York was arrogant, and 1:00:28.560 --> 1:00:30.960 what they didn't realize was it was just the attitude 1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:32.480 that we had to Well, I told you, because we 1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:35.280 have the debate that like for us in Miami, and 1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:38.400 I think other regions felt industry wise, I always say, 1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:40.880 it's not the people in New York. The industry that 1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:43.800 was centralized in New York was being very it was 1:00:43.880 --> 1:00:45.880 very New York centric too, and I'm talking about hip 1:00:45.920 --> 1:00:48.640 hop wise. They weren't letting people in and that's what 1:00:48.720 --> 1:00:50.560 people were getting kind of angry the South. That's why 1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:52.880 you know the Jay Princes and the death throws and 1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:55.160 everybody started to come up to come back that and 1:00:55.240 --> 1:00:58.720 even cast statement. Yet one of the first, even an 1:00:58.760 --> 1:01:02.240 outcast statement when when when they um won the award, 1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:05.960 the South has something to say, it felt like they 1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:10.439 were saying New York ain't only it, Well, yeah, better 1:01:10.760 --> 1:01:14.480 they better listen Publican me was the first that actually 1:01:14.880 --> 1:01:16.920 in the brain. The Noise Tour in nineteen eighty eight 1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:20.000 was the first group that not only we had to 1:01:20.000 --> 1:01:22.120 break the molde to break the mode was like everything 1:01:22.240 --> 1:01:24.160 up to them was groups coming out of New York 1:01:24.280 --> 1:01:27.040 on the summertime. You had to what the fresh Fest 1:01:27.120 --> 1:01:29.760 in the eighty four eighty five, I mean the fresh 1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:33.120 Fest Philling Arenastball Tour in nineteen eighty seven, and then 1:01:33.280 --> 1:01:35.760 before that you had Raising Hell in nineteen eighty six 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:40.439 on dmc l cou J Beastie Boys, you know, boom 1:01:40.760 --> 1:01:44.160 so they you know, everything was summertime, summertime, summertime. And 1:01:44.680 --> 1:01:46.720 eighty eight they had two tours at the same time. 1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:50.400 In the summertime you had the Dope Jam Tour, Eric 1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:54.680 b Rock Kim Big Up to Eric b rod Kim 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:57.480 kol Mo d Big Up, the mold you know, iced Tea. 1:01:57.800 --> 1:02:00.200 I mean that was like bam everybody. And then on 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:04.320 the other tour was us run dmc Z, Jeff Fresh Prince, 1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:09.040 that's Will Smith for y'all some of you, some old 1:02:09.120 --> 1:02:14.800 niggas in here too, and also j J fad right, 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:17.760 and there's two toy So at the end of that year, man, 1:02:17.800 --> 1:02:22.280 we had so much like momentum. It was like we saying, listen, man, 1:02:22.760 --> 1:02:25.080 we could do a two in the winter time and 1:02:25.120 --> 1:02:27.000 they say, yeah, but groups is trying to gear up, 1:02:27.040 --> 1:02:28.200 and Allever I said, you know, we could do a 1:02:28.360 --> 1:02:30.320 two and a winter time and go to each and 1:02:30.440 --> 1:02:33.960 every market that got brewing groups and they market too, 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:36.720 Shorts from the Bay, Hammage from the Bay, mix a 1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:39.880 lots from Seattle. You know. Luke is from down here. 1:02:40.000 --> 1:02:42.680 The craziest thing ever is seeing Luke put the dances 1:02:42.720 --> 1:02:45.680 on the when w stands home. Wait, wait, come about 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:49.680 what Luke had? He had? First of all, it's Luke 1:02:50.600 --> 1:02:54.680 the first of all for a big figure up to 1:02:54.800 --> 1:02:59.080 my bro, bro Luther Campbell. Luke Campbell. Let me tell you, 1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:02.760 Luther cab it was the first I'm only stayed the chief. 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:05.760 He had the chicks turking on the security. We get 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:09.640 to that story, right, me back to that muster. Campbell 1:03:10.000 --> 1:03:13.800 is the first celebrity house I have stayed in my 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:19.040 life downy in Miami. This Goopie Days. Um, this is 1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:21.560 the nineteen ninety it was you know that was about 1:03:21.920 --> 1:03:23.920 that was more like no, no, no, that was more 1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:27.000 like Luke, Luke's commander, Goopie Days. All right, So anyway, 1:03:28.400 --> 1:03:31.640 so listen, all right, So Luke I was doing this 1:03:31.800 --> 1:03:42.720 this DVD with him, right because before y'all twisted, but 1:03:42.840 --> 1:03:45.440 he was caught up in a political scale on the 1:03:45.520 --> 1:03:47.800 America's most wanted. So we was part of America's most 1:03:47.840 --> 1:03:49.800 wanted the censorship. Wait a minute, No, I didn't know 1:03:49.880 --> 1:03:53.240 what America's most wanted it. Yeah, because because the law 1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:56.640 had you know, the law down here in Dade County 1:03:56.720 --> 1:04:00.200 had Luke up against the wall for censorship, but so 1:04:00.320 --> 1:04:04.000 he needed criminal So so yeah, man, did I take 1:04:04.080 --> 1:04:11.520 your ass? Yeah? It was just Luke moved so much 1:04:12.080 --> 1:04:15.080 music and cultural weight in the South. People like just 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:18.280 like to say, oh man, Lucas booty and that's it. No, Luke, 1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:23.000 he did a lot, commanded the record industry because nobody 1:04:23.120 --> 1:04:25.600 wanted to South. Nobody wanted to South. It's like that 1:04:25.840 --> 1:04:29.760 bunky ass keep that over there. Luke was the first 1:04:29.880 --> 1:04:32.600 celebrity house I ever stayed in, because I did the 1:04:32.720 --> 1:04:34.040 thing that night and I was like, I'll go to 1:04:34.120 --> 1:04:35.920 the hotel. Luke said stay at my house, you know, 1:04:36.000 --> 1:04:38.400 and the white woman comes out with tea and ship 1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:40.120 like that. I was like, what the fuck? You know, 1:04:42.280 --> 1:04:44.720 Like I'm looking around. It's like it was like, damn, 1:04:44.800 --> 1:04:48.720 they like British right, golf course, you know what I'm saying. 1:04:51.400 --> 1:04:53.880 Golf course like the fun right, But you know, I 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:58.280 mean Lucas the first people we met down here at 1:04:58.440 --> 1:05:04.960 down the Street, right, James James right, and he was 1:05:05.080 --> 1:05:07.880 upset about like, man, listen, I'm doing all this stuff 1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:10.080 down here in New York. Don't know this US at all. 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:12.320 And me and Daddy O would be people like, come 1:05:12.400 --> 1:05:14.800 on in because the death jam thing didn't leave you passes. 1:05:15.280 --> 1:05:17.680 And then the thing about Luke, I said, he's also 1:05:17.760 --> 1:05:25.240 the first private jet we ever been on. Lest Let's 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:28.240 see what I tell you. He ran radio book pirate 1:05:28.400 --> 1:05:31.120 radio stations out of suitcases on top of roofs down here. 1:05:31.120 --> 1:05:39.800 I'm like, let me tell you. Listen, listen. Luke promoted 1:05:39.960 --> 1:05:42.560 us in the stadium full of fifty thousand with the 1:05:42.720 --> 1:05:44.920 old Miami Stadium with the Hurricanes and all the play 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:48.200 the old Miami STATEUM fifty thousand heads up in there, right. 1:05:48.680 --> 1:05:51.920 We got to play a show the same night at 1:05:52.000 --> 1:05:55.440 the Omni in Atlanta. Luke says, listen, man, you fly 1:05:55.480 --> 1:05:58.080 out my private jet up there. I go up to 1:05:58.200 --> 1:06:01.720 the jet. I'm like, what the fuck? Right? And it 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:04.200 got the same logo that's on the record company on 1:06:04.320 --> 1:06:06.720 the record label. Yeah. I had to touch the plane 1:06:06.760 --> 1:06:09.400 like this. I touched on it, roughed the back. It's 1:06:09.440 --> 1:06:13.600 like what And we flew to Atlanta and headline that 1:06:13.760 --> 1:06:15.840 same night at the Omni they just called the Omni 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:17.960 back in the day, And we did two gigs in 1:06:18.080 --> 1:06:24.880 one day. And courtesy of Luke's private Brown Luke Skywalker plane. Now, 1:06:25.000 --> 1:06:27.520 the only thing that stopped Luke was once again they 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:29.840 saw him coming because he had a whole area that 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:32.160 nobody wanted. Come on. Wrap hip hopped in the South. 1:06:32.240 --> 1:06:38.120 Who the fuck wants Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, 1:06:38.600 --> 1:06:43.520 you know, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Luke got want them 1:06:43.560 --> 1:06:48.120 bumping ass and Luke would put out the tape and rule, 1:06:48.400 --> 1:06:50.760 and then the companies wanted in. Later on. That was 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:54.720 the blueprint for who but New York, Yeah, late later on, 1:06:54.760 --> 1:06:58.480 it was a blueprint for master Peak. Yes, but Luke 1:06:59.200 --> 1:07:01.880 and Luke got up where they they came after them 1:07:01.920 --> 1:07:04.240 like take the logo away, you know, like you know, 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:07.840 I think what's his name, George Lucas and them was 1:07:07.880 --> 1:07:12.160 like you can't you. I was like fuck, And you know, 1:07:12.360 --> 1:07:14.400 that type of shit happened, and then the Lord and 1:07:14.480 --> 1:07:16.680 then the government and all that other ship and then 1:07:16.720 --> 1:07:18.680 I was an opportunity for master P to come up 1:07:18.720 --> 1:07:23.280 in there. And still even master P capitalize on all 1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:27.320 those territories. Nobody went up by that time, around Nor's 1:07:27.400 --> 1:07:37.560 ninety eight, the companies was like yeah, yo, man. Companies 1:07:37.600 --> 1:07:40.680 tried to make what Master Pa offer because they realized 1:07:40.720 --> 1:07:46.840 that the young man there's some gold in them Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, 1:07:47.000 --> 1:07:49.760 Hill Florida Hills. And they tried to make them a 1:07:49.880 --> 1:07:52.160 deal and Master P was doing so well. Remember you 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:54.880 said like five hundred ads in the source. You know 1:07:54.880 --> 1:07:56.440 what I'm saying. He had his own record stores on 1:07:56.480 --> 1:07:58.160 the West. They tried to make a deal with him, 1:07:58.560 --> 1:08:00.480 and he was like, yo, man, with the fuck, you know, 1:08:00.600 --> 1:08:02.960 you gotta come in they and they said, you know, 1:08:03.840 --> 1:08:06.880 we're gonna we're gonna finance your competitor there. And that's 1:08:06.920 --> 1:08:10.840 what money they financed his competitor should get real and 1:08:10.960 --> 1:08:13.080 then surrounded it. You know, this is the same old 1:08:13.120 --> 1:08:15.840 you know, and no disrespect to Cass money, but that 1:08:16.000 --> 1:08:18.639 was the game that the majors would play to destroy 1:08:18.760 --> 1:08:21.479 black businesses. You know, it's crazy. I'm gonna be honest 1:08:21.520 --> 1:08:24.599 with you. I went to New Orleans around that time 1:08:24.640 --> 1:08:27.040 where Master P was the ship, and I wanted to 1:08:27.160 --> 1:08:29.519 do a record with a dude I think his name 1:08:29.560 --> 1:08:32.439 was Scott dug He originally bind up being on penalty 1:08:33.320 --> 1:08:36.560 and I remember me being in New Orleans and me 1:08:36.760 --> 1:08:40.559 identifying with the only other Puerto Rican person that was there. 1:08:40.760 --> 1:08:43.280 It was a girl. She had fronts on and she 1:08:43.439 --> 1:08:46.200 was poor Rigan And I said, wait a minute, well, 1:08:46.240 --> 1:08:48.600 I've never seen fronts at that time because we like 1:08:48.760 --> 1:08:51.599 like like New York. We excuse me, we had fronts. 1:08:51.680 --> 1:08:54.479 We didn't have what they have, which whatever it was, 1:08:55.360 --> 1:08:56.760 that was the only different. I was like, what is 1:08:56.800 --> 1:09:01.080 that in your mouth? Pause? And I remember this day 1:09:02.960 --> 1:09:07.000 so perfect. I was. I say, I'm out there, I'm 1:09:07.040 --> 1:09:09.320 out here to meet with what what? What? What? What? What? 1:09:09.760 --> 1:09:12.200 I want to meet with no limit? I want to um. 1:09:13.000 --> 1:09:17.080 And I remember how saying to me, we on that 1:09:17.240 --> 1:09:20.920 cash money right now? And I was like what And 1:09:21.120 --> 1:09:23.680 I kid you not. It wasn't on the radio. It 1:09:23.800 --> 1:09:25.920 was nothing. It was like how you just said they 1:09:26.400 --> 1:09:31.720 funded some totally different sh really like this, Yes, you know, 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:37.080 we were, you know, it was like, wow, it's it's 1:09:37.400 --> 1:09:39.960 it's Jewish now now I remember it being pushed and 1:09:40.160 --> 1:09:42.639 it was Julie. It was definitely Jewish. It was almost 1:09:42.680 --> 1:09:46.080 like one of those like don't support this, support this 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:48.760 or this label and you know what I mean, that's 1:09:48.800 --> 1:09:50.439 what you know. I mean, like I said, money to us, 1:09:50.479 --> 1:09:53.120 guy walks out of the room, but what it does, 1:09:53.280 --> 1:09:55.920 and like it's the old game. It's the old game. 1:09:56.000 --> 1:10:00.719 It's like you can put black faces, you could pimp 1:10:00.840 --> 1:10:04.559 black faces, and you can put a black business out 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:10.160 of business. But I think that, but I think also 1:10:10.280 --> 1:10:13.320 that this this ways to go about certain things. You. 1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:17.840 I think numbers is the soul of a robot, and 1:10:17.960 --> 1:10:20.599 the human beings have a post that we need to understand. 1:10:20.680 --> 1:10:24.320 Our mistakes are is our mistakes. But bigger is not 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:27.320 always better. And sometimes you can make better and keep 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:30.040 it like this and and and be able to drive 1:10:30.160 --> 1:10:34.200 that small vehicle a long distance. Sometimes the big vehicles 1:10:34.280 --> 1:10:37.080 run out of gas. A better version of yourself in 1:10:37.160 --> 1:10:40.040 a more compact situation. And I think that's the beautiful 1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:42.679 thing about art, because you know it could be anything 1:10:42.880 --> 1:10:45.280 in license. You can license to ill. That's why that 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:47.759 did the dude that did Delbert his name Scott Adams. 1:10:48.040 --> 1:10:50.200 I don't mean to be doing a reverse plug here, 1:10:50.720 --> 1:10:53.160 but he got caught in in in a scandal when 1:10:53.200 --> 1:10:55.000 he started coming off out the mouth of like stay 1:10:55.040 --> 1:10:57.320 away from black people and all that. And I said, 1:10:57.360 --> 1:10:59.760 you know he had the license to ill as all 1:10:59.760 --> 1:11:02.680 of the if you just had Dilbert do all that 1:11:03.120 --> 1:11:05.479 people would have gave a fuck the minute you put 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:07.960 your face on the camera and start talking to the mic, 1:11:08.040 --> 1:11:10.000 you out of your lane. Yeah, and you know what, 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:13.760 you ain't nobody compared to your to your product. Your 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:16.120 character is the one you should have spoken to. That's 1:11:16.160 --> 1:11:19.040 your license to ill the minute you put your face 1:11:19.120 --> 1:11:21.240 on the camera, and that's everybody you know feels that 1:11:22.080 --> 1:11:24.479 now everybody's equipped when the lights in the camera actually 1:11:24.520 --> 1:11:27.280 comes on, yes, y'all, y'all see it. Sometimes you'd be like, 1:11:27.439 --> 1:11:29.439 you know, you think gotta get loosened up because they're 1:11:29.439 --> 1:11:31.960 be like, yo, man, they're on the fuck up? Or 1:11:32.760 --> 1:11:35.519 where's the training in this? Somebody throw you three questions? 1:11:35.600 --> 1:11:38.479 Can you actually catch three questions and throw four back? 1:11:38.560 --> 1:11:40.360 And it's like it's a it's a game there, you 1:11:40.400 --> 1:11:42.880 know what I'm saying. And it's an engagement there too, 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:46.760 So it's not trained. So a lot of cats feel nervous. Man. 1:11:46.840 --> 1:11:49.280 It's like yo, man, that's but the kids is like, 1:11:49.960 --> 1:11:52.360 it's all right to say you don't know, and it's 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:54.920 all right to be an owner of what you think 1:11:55.439 --> 1:11:56.880 because you know you could be a slave to what 1:11:57.000 --> 1:12:00.120 you say, So be like, I don't fucking know how 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:02.080 to move on with that. But a lot of these 1:12:02.200 --> 1:12:05.960 training courses could also do better with having artists have 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:09.599 like twenty years your careers, thirty year, forty year careers, 1:12:09.640 --> 1:12:12.040 those those casts from Motown. Man, I mean you just 1:12:12.160 --> 1:12:15.720 had Oley Brothers on. Seriously, Ronald Osley said here, it's like, 1:12:15.800 --> 1:12:17.720 how do you how do you start? It's like like 1:12:17.840 --> 1:12:24.400 it's incredible and George, oh, George, big up to Aunt George. 1:12:24.680 --> 1:12:27.000 And I was a wonderful interview. Uncle George is like, 1:12:27.120 --> 1:12:40.240 I'm he spoke too. I kept jail. Don't don't follow 1:12:40.320 --> 1:12:46.040 that path. Uncle oh yo, man, uncause everything differently right, 1:12:46.360 --> 1:12:48.960 yeah right, it's Oca has done things that we don't 1:12:49.000 --> 1:12:52.360 even know. He said it and we were shocked. I said, 1:12:52.400 --> 1:12:55.920 did you say this? He said, yeah, man, un I'm 1:12:55.920 --> 1:12:57.800 supposed to get to his crib and we're supposed to 1:12:57.880 --> 1:13:01.080 do some art together, like he said he did. He 1:13:01.160 --> 1:13:03.479 did art on that wall. They paid it over it did. Yeah, 1:13:05.040 --> 1:13:07.680 they keep changing, it changed everybody. We had DMX so 1:13:07.920 --> 1:13:10.640 like every couple of months, well like but yeah, he 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:13.800 just came in the game. Was spray can he just yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:13:14.040 --> 1:13:17.320 I got documented. Yeah, we document the screen agent so 1:13:17.400 --> 1:13:19.920 that the work. Yeah. Yeah, So I've been wanting to 1:13:19.920 --> 1:13:26.600 ask you this question, and I've been in rules I 1:13:26.680 --> 1:13:30.880 can ask you, well, I can ask you this question, 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:32.800 but this is let me ask the question. They can 1:13:32.920 --> 1:13:34.760 come up and stumble in and they'd be fucked up 1:13:34.760 --> 1:13:36.760 and nervous. Yes they do, yes, But this is one 1:13:36.760 --> 1:13:39.479 of my favorite songs of all times. But I've been 1:13:39.560 --> 1:13:41.240 in a situation where I could ask you this questioner, 1:13:41.280 --> 1:13:44.880 I've never asked. I want to know, did you really 1:13:44.920 --> 1:13:49.080 get a letter from the government? Of course wasn't. Here's 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:52.920 the story. It's documented nine and remember born in nineteen 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:57.840 sixty Yes, Graham, I'm a grandparents crib. You know, southos 1:13:57.880 --> 1:14:06.240 In Park, nineteen sixty seven, in June exactly. You know 1:14:06.320 --> 1:14:09.320 they moved there from Harlem in nineteen fifty five. You 1:14:09.400 --> 1:14:12.040 know the you know, it's documents. You know it's come 1:14:12.080 --> 1:14:16.160 to Queens from Harlem. White flight, you know, wherever black. 1:14:16.240 --> 1:14:19.080 You know, you gotta study black migration, black migrations, like, oh, 1:14:19.160 --> 1:14:21.200 we could move there, but white people gonna move out, 1:14:21.280 --> 1:14:25.200 you know, back there because it's like so um nineteen 1:14:25.320 --> 1:14:29.560 sixty seven, boom, June. I'm out of school, you know, 1:14:29.720 --> 1:14:32.719 I'm going to you know, I'm in first second grade 1:14:32.760 --> 1:14:38.640 something like that. Right. Um, My grandparents also forced the 1:14:38.680 --> 1:14:40.800 parents of the year, so there's always boys around, right, 1:14:41.320 --> 1:14:44.400 twelve thirteen deep. You know it was amazing, like damn 1:14:44.439 --> 1:14:46.360 they feeding eight people at the same time, a big 1:14:46.479 --> 1:14:51.080 bat or whatever. So one of the boys, you call 1:14:51.160 --> 1:14:53.920 him my uncles or whatever. He just got out of 1:14:54.040 --> 1:14:57.920 high school, went to John Bound right, Yeah, you're doing 1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:02.360 this is my whole childhood. Let me just say something 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:05.080 real quick. By the way, I never went to high school, 1:15:05.200 --> 1:15:09.120 but when I was in I was in df Wiles 1:15:09.160 --> 1:15:11.519 in Sparford, and my mother came to see me and 1:15:11.600 --> 1:15:14.040 I had just got accepted it to John Bown High School. 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:16.559 And so if I didn't get locked up, I would 1:15:16.560 --> 1:15:18.240 have been in John Bown High School. So you're fucking 1:15:18.280 --> 1:15:21.360 up my whole childhood right now. It was it was 1:15:21.439 --> 1:15:30.320 dead before he was born. I'm just like you built 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:35.800 up story anyway. Sure enough, he just got out of 1:15:35.880 --> 1:15:41.639 high school. Wow, to walk up to off the walkway, 1:15:42.439 --> 1:15:50.240 fucking military dude. Yeah, uncle goes to the door he 1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:54.559 freshed out of high school, hand him a letter. Dudes 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:57.680 like I mean the regalia man like us marine man. 1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:02.280 Path gives him that walks right towards his car. They 1:16:02.320 --> 1:16:08.840 were going down to other houses too. I'll picks up letter, right, 1:16:09.840 --> 1:16:11.960 it gives you know, seven years old, You're like, whether 1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:15.160 you fuck you know, move move, move move. I'm like 1:16:15.320 --> 1:16:17.479 jumping up. I remember I ain't e four, I ain't two. 1:16:17.560 --> 1:16:20.080 I'm seven, right going on eight. You know what I'm saying. 1:16:20.479 --> 1:16:22.920 I got a little sense about me. I'm I'm a 1:16:23.040 --> 1:16:29.439 nick fan, right, yeah, sure enough. He takes the letter, 1:16:30.200 --> 1:16:34.680 his face drops and he's like, drops that fucking letter 1:16:34.760 --> 1:16:38.280 on the on the table and goes just to the 1:16:38.360 --> 1:16:42.200 fucking backyard me. You know, like, I'm picking it up, 1:16:42.200 --> 1:16:44.920 and I could read a little bit seven you know, 1:16:45.400 --> 1:16:48.760 so so so so, you know, because I couldn't read 1:16:48.760 --> 1:16:53.280 them the big words. But you have been drafted United 1:16:53.360 --> 1:16:58.440 States Marines are route you know through Campler June, North Carolina, 1:16:58.640 --> 1:17:05.200 or route the Southeast Asia Vietnam. Wow, drafted into your summer. Dude. 1:17:05.360 --> 1:17:08.760 You got to be in Cample of June in a week. 1:17:09.439 --> 1:17:11.720 And this is before Ali made these statements on this 1:17:11.920 --> 1:17:14.720 is this is in that period that same man, I 1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:17.560 mean by six sixty seven, man, doctor Martin is the 1:17:17.640 --> 1:17:21.080 King makes a speech that that kind of kicks everybody 1:17:21.120 --> 1:17:24.040 in the stomach, like, oh no, he he's beyond having 1:17:24.080 --> 1:17:27.439 a dream. He's like saying, you know, motherfucked the Vietnam War. 1:17:27.720 --> 1:17:29.400 The day was like tucking that to the back. We 1:17:29.479 --> 1:17:32.240 can't have we can't have, we can't have to dream 1:17:32.320 --> 1:17:34.600 us say this. Yeah, even the even the government and 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:37.360 the presidents, like I thought, I thought MLK was my 1:17:37.439 --> 1:17:40.840 man whatever. So that was going on. There's no TikTok. Yeah, 1:17:40.920 --> 1:17:44.919 no TikTok. So that was going on. You had Muhammad 1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:49.200 Ali June fourth, nineteen sixty seven. That was going on 1:17:49.400 --> 1:17:52.640 with Mohamma Muhammad two weeks after Brown. All of them 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:56.320 was in that's the black. I believe that that was 1:17:56.360 --> 1:17:59.920 sixty eight. I got it June June four, ninety sixty seven, 1:18:00.160 --> 1:18:03.680 nineteen sixty seven. I stand corrected Bobby Mitchell and had 1:18:03.760 --> 1:18:06.639 Bobby Mitchell. You had Jim Brown center at the time. 1:18:06.720 --> 1:18:13.679 Was later Yeah, yeah, because because at the same time, 1:18:13.800 --> 1:18:15.960 you know, the only one that had a voice in 1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:18.920 the microphone. This wasn't athletes back back in his head 1:18:19.080 --> 1:18:21.280 like they give him a athlete to mic and then 1:18:21.320 --> 1:18:23.760 pull it back. But Ali wasn't having that. He wasn't 1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:27.400 like that. I'm taking about im driming. I'm pretty all 1:18:27.479 --> 1:18:31.240 due uh to respect and praises to our Allah. Who's Allah? 1:18:31.439 --> 1:18:32.960 You know. It's like, you know, every time, you know, 1:18:33.360 --> 1:18:35.760 every time they want to mess with black folks, they 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:38.040 just I'm gonna just fuck up your name, like Kip 1:18:38.160 --> 1:18:40.240 Farra Cans. I was like, the fuck is Afara ca 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:49.599 do it? Like, oh yeah, you know what the fund? 1:18:49.680 --> 1:18:52.800 Who the fuck is Alla Fu. It's like you you 1:18:53.040 --> 1:18:55.680 have more to see, but you gotta be like I 1:18:55.840 --> 1:18:58.360 kim Elijah one, you have grace before I smack you. 1:18:59.760 --> 1:19:03.080 But anyway, yeah, he got that letter, he dropped it. 1:19:03.200 --> 1:19:05.400 I read that. I was like, yeah, no, he's fucked up. 1:19:05.520 --> 1:19:07.800 He's not going he ain't gonna have a party this summer. 1:19:08.160 --> 1:19:10.280 And back then, you know, Motown's popping, like you know, 1:19:10.520 --> 1:19:12.920 like four times, shake me, wake me, two is over. 1:19:13.040 --> 1:19:16.160 You know what I'm saying, Seven rooms are gloom, you know, motoil, 1:19:16.280 --> 1:19:18.320 let's get it popping. You know what I'm saying. Nope, 1:19:18.400 --> 1:19:21.080 he's going up Vietnam the Marine Corps. That yeah, And 1:19:21.240 --> 1:19:24.160 that's where that story came from. And the fact is 1:19:24.240 --> 1:19:26.200 that he and a couple of other uncles came back, 1:19:26.400 --> 1:19:30.400 they got strapped. No couple came back, you know. And 1:19:30.479 --> 1:19:32.320 they used to come back with these purple hearts, and 1:19:32.400 --> 1:19:33.920 me and my brother used to play put them on 1:19:33.960 --> 1:19:35.599 the g I Joes because they didn't give a fuck 1:19:35.600 --> 1:19:40.040 about the goddamn purple heart. This is why I why 1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:42.200 a lot of cats was fucked up, man, A lot 1:19:42.240 --> 1:19:45.639 of cats were sucked up. And when nineteen sixty nine 1:19:45.800 --> 1:19:51.880 seventy seventy one, man seventy to seventy three, because we 1:19:52.040 --> 1:19:54.160 got to go back and forth to cousins of relatives 1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:56.880 in the city all the fucking time, man, and going 1:19:56.960 --> 1:19:59.240 back to the Bronx. Man, it was tough, man, because 1:19:59.280 --> 1:20:02.120 cats is like they backed from Vietnam, cast is shooting 1:20:02.200 --> 1:20:04.800 up of arms, man, and and the thing that that 1:20:05.240 --> 1:20:07.439 that stirred me away from drugs. Man, it was like 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:09.720 I was like, a look at them and cats a 1:20:09.800 --> 1:20:11.559 shooting in there. I'm like, I don't fuck I mean 1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:14.240 that the whole You know that they destroyed the Bronx too, 1:20:14.840 --> 1:20:17.000 And they destroyed the Bronxes, yeah yeah, yea yeah, but 1:20:17.160 --> 1:20:19.360 Black and Porterbeca y'all lived there, and fuck that. You know, 1:20:19.640 --> 1:20:22.679 we never gonna service it. And fucking y'all. Y'all gonna 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:25.360 die there, like yeah, it was a war zone and 1:20:25.439 --> 1:20:29.040 this is why. Yeah, yeah, and this is where we're 1:20:29.400 --> 1:20:31.960 back into. You know, when we did the documentary, I 1:20:32.040 --> 1:20:33.920 had to mention them dig up the Laury Bruler, my 1:20:34.000 --> 1:20:36.880 magic partner on that and Kevin Kevin a in the house, 1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:43.400 you know, and Dominique Um listen um, the BBC PBS series, 1:20:44.360 --> 1:20:46.880 Uh like the power Dig up to Asley Brothers for 1:20:47.400 --> 1:20:51.080 sparking that that whole thought how hip hop changed the world, 1:20:51.200 --> 1:20:54.559 important words the world. But out of that seed, out 1:20:54.600 --> 1:20:57.960 of the Bronx, it was just in franchise left for Dead, 1:20:58.320 --> 1:21:01.200 out of that seed of you know, it rose like 1:21:01.280 --> 1:21:04.000 a rose out of the ashes, like a phoenix. It's 1:21:04.040 --> 1:21:06.160 like people that had to do something. And big up 1:21:06.160 --> 1:21:09.080 to the Grandmaster cash Man, pick up to the Grandmaster 1:21:09.200 --> 1:21:12.760 Flash Bambar a cool hrk you know all the cats 1:21:12.800 --> 1:21:15.920 in the beginning. Man, that's just made something out of nothing, 1:21:16.000 --> 1:21:19.960 man and I want to do't call it nothing, but 1:21:20.120 --> 1:21:23.679 it was left foot dead and we have to also 1:21:23.920 --> 1:21:30.400 the key thing is this, we can never ignore the 1:21:30.520 --> 1:21:35.760 context of time. Time has its context. A lot of 1:21:35.880 --> 1:21:38.320 things we're in the fast forward go on and check 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:41.400 it out on YouTube, check it through the screen. The 1:21:41.560 --> 1:21:45.840 reasons why our books stand up because books appear on 1:21:45.920 --> 1:21:49.160 your own time, Like I don't understand this ship. We'll 1:21:49.200 --> 1:21:51.680 take your time and saw it down to the context 1:21:52.400 --> 1:21:54.479 whenever you read through a phone and digital man to 1:21:54.520 --> 1:21:56.679 cold appear and disappear. How many casts you know always 1:21:56.680 --> 1:21:59.000 got got by three card money? Now you see it? 1:21:59.120 --> 1:22:01.840 Now you don't underneath the clam and the crab, you know, 1:22:02.280 --> 1:22:06.040 cats is like, whoa, that's what social media is. I 1:22:06.200 --> 1:22:09.320 got you what you thought you saw. You probably didn't see. Man, 1:22:09.479 --> 1:22:12.040 do you think, oh say you thought you saw it right? 1:22:12.160 --> 1:22:14.839 Maybe you did. Maybe I'll give you something else instead, 1:22:15.240 --> 1:22:17.519 like oh yeah, and they got you shaken to the lights. 1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:21.120 Oh my god. You know like that, digital appears and 1:22:21.240 --> 1:22:26.800 disappears at somebody, somebody else's behest. Now we're in the 1:22:26.920 --> 1:22:30.080 time where people are attacked and attached to their gadgets, 1:22:30.120 --> 1:22:35.919 and I make Nolan, I give no slander on scholars 1:22:37.160 --> 1:22:41.240 on scholarship, you know why if we want to read, right, 1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:44.280 what's the deal? We read what we like to read. 1:22:45.040 --> 1:22:46.800 We're not fucking around with shit. We don't want to 1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:50.000 what we don't want to read. Scholars read every fucking thing. 1:22:51.680 --> 1:22:55.240 They mostly read the fucking, the fucking bad, and the ugly, 1:22:55.840 --> 1:22:58.320 and they read the good and they process it. That's 1:22:58.320 --> 1:23:00.639 why you can't have a conversation debate with a scholar, 1:23:00.680 --> 1:23:02.960 because the scholar read the pro con in the middle 1:23:03.040 --> 1:23:05.160 side to come up with understand the perspective, right, the 1:23:05.200 --> 1:23:06.760 only thing you can do. It's like, yo, by the fucker, 1:23:06.760 --> 1:23:10.400 I can't fuck with you, you know, say that because 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:12.880 like even in sports, it is based on a fact, 1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:15.160 it's not really based on opinion. When we start talking 1:23:15.200 --> 1:23:18.360 about the arts, we kind of get into the world 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:21.880 of taste, what makes you like distaste and that taste 1:23:22.120 --> 1:23:24.720 versus in the world. But then you go and if 1:23:24.760 --> 1:23:28.680 somebody through, if somebody threw you some chief ship that 1:23:28.920 --> 1:23:31.400 hurts you in the fucking morning, that right, So then 1:23:31.439 --> 1:23:34.160 they g I don't have mimosas. So taste is a 1:23:34.240 --> 1:23:36.120 charting thing when it comes down to the art. But 1:23:36.280 --> 1:23:38.400 also we should have a broad vision where art is 1:23:39.240 --> 1:23:42.200 before we grade what art should be. You know what 1:23:42.240 --> 1:23:46.479 I'm saying. But it's a it's a it's a custom taste, 1:23:46.600 --> 1:23:50.360 you know, And scholarship. When people have a debate about 1:23:50.360 --> 1:23:52.479 a lot of different things. Man. I think we should 1:23:52.560 --> 1:23:55.639 hold scholars in high regard, man, because like I said, 1:23:55.680 --> 1:23:58.040 they spend it most of day time reading that bullshit 1:23:58.520 --> 1:24:00.720 they don't want to read and that they don't want 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:04.640 to be. And the thing about the speed of of 1:24:04.880 --> 1:24:08.280 inaccurate bullshit out there is beyond what the human mind 1:24:08.320 --> 1:24:11.160 could fucking catch. Because I mean this ship, the speed 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:13.400 of what ship comes through your phones and come and 1:24:13.520 --> 1:24:17.760 the new and understand this and culture every hip hop, 1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:22.360 every generation is five years, he said. But mister, mister, 1:24:23.080 --> 1:24:26.280 we we like to praise you and give you your 1:24:26.320 --> 1:24:34.920 flowers to your face. Oh man, flowers anything I want 1:24:34.960 --> 1:24:37.760 I want, even if I want you to know the flowers. Listen, 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:42.120 I want you to know how these are flowers. Okay, flowers. 1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:44.840 I like that. Flowers. Yeah, well I got It's like 1:24:44.880 --> 1:24:51.720 a Grammy sounds like this from you. She's dropping me 1:24:51.800 --> 1:24:55.840 all the way. Because we want you to really understand, man, 1:24:55.960 --> 1:24:58.799 this is special. We want you to understand how important 1:24:58.840 --> 1:25:04.840 you are to the culture, to to us. Yeah, to 1:25:05.040 --> 1:25:09.120 the world you are. You are a teacher, you are 1:25:09.280 --> 1:25:12.519 you are our scholar. How about that? Wow? Man? Those 1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:17.040 other scholars is nice? Wow? Yeah, man, I mean and 1:25:17.240 --> 1:25:19.120 you said it earlier. You said you said you ain't 1:25:19.160 --> 1:25:22.439 going to church or whatever, but no I ain't. If 1:25:22.560 --> 1:25:24.960 you were to open up a church, If you were 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:27.680 to open up a church, I bet me be the 1:25:27.760 --> 1:25:30.920 first two people to sign up. Actually, hold up, Hold up, 1:25:30.920 --> 1:25:32.960 because we need to talk about the hip hop Union, 1:25:33.320 --> 1:25:35.080 because that is the first thing way to say. You're 1:25:35.080 --> 1:25:37.080 gonna kicking me out already. No no, no, no no no. 1:25:37.280 --> 1:25:43.040 We getting drunk. You ain't gonna drink. Make sure make church. 1:25:43.120 --> 1:25:45.200 He's good, make sure she's good. He had a drink. 1:25:45.280 --> 1:25:50.519 There's bathroom breaks and whatever you want. Let me go 1:25:50.600 --> 1:25:52.960 back to the fight the Power thing. You all listen 1:25:53.479 --> 1:25:57.000 the first in Fluorid the reason when will fight the power? 1:25:58.040 --> 1:26:02.040 We were commissioned to do that song? Or Spike Lee, Yeah, 1:26:02.040 --> 1:26:04.120 because a lot of times you don't like, yo, what's crazy? 1:26:04.479 --> 1:26:07.519 What's crazy? Last year with the Elvis movie Man, I 1:26:07.640 --> 1:26:09.880 got Yo, Man, it was like Elvis trolls everywhere. Man, 1:26:10.160 --> 1:26:12.760 So Captain's coming at me, like yo, Chuck Man looking 1:26:12.760 --> 1:26:15.439 at me sidewise, Why the fuck you do that to Elvis? 1:26:15.800 --> 1:26:19.160 Someone was a herold the most screen ag. So you 1:26:19.240 --> 1:26:23.599 saw a movie, So you saw a movie, got all 1:26:23.920 --> 1:26:27.280 sensitizing shit. Now you coming at me? What I said, 1:26:27.680 --> 1:26:30.320 the line wasn't elvits What was the line? Elvis? Was he? 1:26:31.280 --> 1:26:36.759 But he never meant ship to me. Now listen, listen, listen. 1:26:38.240 --> 1:26:42.160 I'm commissioned to do a song for do the right 1:26:42.240 --> 1:26:45.840 thing right, what's the key area and do the right thing? 1:26:45.920 --> 1:26:51.560 That's jumped ship off my man, Jim Posito radio, No 1:26:52.280 --> 1:26:56.639 there this, there's a theme before that. Jim Carlos Borsito says, Yo, Sun, 1:26:57.080 --> 1:26:59.479 how come ain't no black people in the wall. The 1:26:59.600 --> 1:27:02.479 whole fucking movies about that. You got a company, you 1:27:02.560 --> 1:27:06.080 got a business in a black new a changing black neighborhood. 1:27:06.439 --> 1:27:08.840 You ain't got no black people on the wall. And 1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:10.639 so I was like, Yo, man, the fuck it ain't 1:27:10.640 --> 1:27:14.400 gonna change. That's the whole fucking theme. I gotta write 1:27:14.400 --> 1:27:17.720 a song for the theme of the fucking movie. That 1:27:17.920 --> 1:27:22.200 third verse, basically it's saying, I'm scraping them fucking heroes 1:27:22.240 --> 1:27:25.760 off the goddamn wall. The cats be coming at me, 1:27:25.840 --> 1:27:27.880 and like, oh I didn't know that that that that 1:27:28.240 --> 1:27:32.760 the powers in the movie. That the fuck the beate 1:27:32.840 --> 1:27:36.760 with me about one thing? One thing I know is 1:27:37.040 --> 1:27:40.840 my ship are you gonna know me better than me. 1:27:41.560 --> 1:27:44.000 You might know verses and shit like that I forgot 1:27:44.040 --> 1:27:46.479 because I'm not good on memory. One thing. I'm on 1:27:46.680 --> 1:27:48.840 memory on this is the other thing about me. I 1:27:48.960 --> 1:27:51.559 think if I had a good memory, like for bars 1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:53.960 and shit like that, like like fucking cane and iced 1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:56.599 tea could say sit from fifty years ago. I think 1:27:56.640 --> 1:28:00.400 my head's too forward. Shit. I never had writing block. 1:28:00.920 --> 1:28:03.240 I can't remember ship Man. Take me like eight years 1:28:03.240 --> 1:28:06.439 to remember one fucking verse. But if I did have 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:10.200 a fucking memory, I'd be the greatest motherfucker of all time. 1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:12.320 But you know, you know, I'm up in a hundred, 1:28:12.360 --> 1:28:14.000 so I'm all right. But if I don't have a 1:28:14.040 --> 1:28:17.080 good memory. But as far as facts and picture memory 1:28:17.160 --> 1:28:21.840 of the events, it's just crystal fucking clear. El Me 1:28:22.400 --> 1:28:24.120 was coming at you, yo, Yo, they were coming at 1:28:24.160 --> 1:28:25.760 me like yo. I saw the movie Man, and I'm 1:28:25.800 --> 1:28:28.360 on fucking butter heard. I'm like the fuck man. Okay, 1:28:28.400 --> 1:28:30.479 So what happens in this movie? I don't understand. They're 1:28:30.520 --> 1:28:33.040 just saying it made them like Elvis the movie Yeah, okay, 1:28:33.200 --> 1:28:37.440 and me I'm a music historian, Okay, Yes, Elvis had attributes. 1:28:37.479 --> 1:28:40.599 I've seen you give props to in times, badass white boy, 1:28:40.760 --> 1:28:44.519 right people whatever. But at the same time I'm talking 1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:48.880 about I was sixties, in the seventies. We'd drunk on 1:28:49.000 --> 1:28:51.599 Elvis and all you gotta do is look for black people. 1:28:51.920 --> 1:28:54.160 Look up black people in commercials in the sixties and 1:28:54.240 --> 1:28:57.719 the seventies, and how many fun It's like society happened, 1:28:57.720 --> 1:28:59.680 and we was a part of that motherfucker at all. 1:29:00.040 --> 1:29:01.800 We've always part of the news. It's like so and 1:29:01.880 --> 1:29:05.200 so got arrested and throwing in the squad garb of 1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:07.439 the fucking first ten minutes of the news were in 1:29:07.600 --> 1:29:09.640 that motherfucker. You don't see black people at the end 1:29:09.680 --> 1:29:13.800 of the news, not even in the weather, no commercials, 1:29:14.240 --> 1:29:16.240 maybe on the ball field and shit like that. They 1:29:16.280 --> 1:29:18.719 wasn't given them the mic. They were afraid of Ali. 1:29:19.120 --> 1:29:22.240 I'm saying, Dave Parker, people like Reggie I remember Reddie 1:29:22.320 --> 1:29:24.240 Jackson first comes to New York. Is like he's a 1:29:24.320 --> 1:29:26.559 problem because he talks to fucking But when you keep 1:29:26.600 --> 1:29:36.800 asking the questions and shit was like, you know, can 1:29:36.880 --> 1:29:40.360 I tell you how much as a growing black young man, 1:29:40.600 --> 1:29:45.040 I was insulted by society. I was fucking insulted. But 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:47.200 but you know what I said, it was my advantage. 1:29:47.680 --> 1:29:50.439 You keep thinking I'm a dumb motherfucker man really seriously, 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:53.479 and that's why when hip hop came about and I 1:29:53.640 --> 1:29:58.240 heard people like Starsky, I heard, I heard Mellie mell Man, 1:29:58.320 --> 1:30:01.559 I thought, yo man, he he dropped from god Man, 1:30:01.760 --> 1:30:06.519 I said, I never heard nobody, no Mellie mel before records. 1:30:06.560 --> 1:30:10.479 Man killed Mellie mel and Flash the Furious two three 1:30:10.680 --> 1:30:15.040 mcnes and Ryan Heman. Yo Man, I I was like, 1:30:15.200 --> 1:30:18.640 I mean, he's the first MC and this is the 1:30:18.680 --> 1:30:22.320 Mellie mel moment, right, A bunch of mail stories up 1:30:22.320 --> 1:30:25.080 in here. But I'm a trunk kate and trunk kit 1:30:25.160 --> 1:30:28.920 means condensed, compressed. I didn't know that. For some reason, 1:30:29.000 --> 1:30:36.120 I moved in, um yo, Mellie mel Man. You know, 1:30:36.360 --> 1:30:40.880 I used to like how rap was before records, keep 1:30:40.960 --> 1:30:44.160 the party moving. I like to be broadcasting. I saw 1:30:44.320 --> 1:30:46.840 Marv Albert was very much a hero because the way 1:30:46.880 --> 1:30:49.160 I used to hear how he broadcasts, not just say Marvel, 1:30:49.280 --> 1:30:55.960 Marv Albot man mar everybody. He would be like, I mean, 1:30:56.000 --> 1:31:01.680 he would those styling man, That's what I heard. I 1:31:02.040 --> 1:31:04.560 would he would, you know, he though styling is vernacular, 1:31:04.760 --> 1:31:07.360 you know, you know, you know, and just a flow 1:31:08.000 --> 1:31:10.720 because you gotta you gotta flow. When you announced basketball games, man, 1:31:11.439 --> 1:31:13.920 and I was like that I wanted to become a sportscaster. 1:31:14.200 --> 1:31:16.000 But then hip hop came and I said, Dan, that's 1:31:16.000 --> 1:31:17.640 sort of like the same ship. So I used to 1:31:17.680 --> 1:31:19.760 go down to the parks and just kind of like 1:31:19.880 --> 1:31:22.479 be on the sideline just talking shit right and pass. 1:31:22.520 --> 1:31:24.720 It's like oh right, boom, And then hip hop came. 1:31:24.800 --> 1:31:27.720 I'm like wow. So I would go to advance, Man, 1:31:28.560 --> 1:31:30.680 and everybody just thought they could rhyme at seventy nine 1:31:30.720 --> 1:31:34.160 and seventy eight. For some reason, they couldn't. Yeah, because 1:31:34.200 --> 1:31:36.280 you try to get your dance on ye and the 1:31:36.400 --> 1:31:40.439 worst thing is somebody on the terretators that can't fucking 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:44.360 DJ and somebody on the mic they can't can't mc MC, 1:31:44.520 --> 1:31:46.080 I mean that you had to rhyme. Maybe you had 1:31:46.120 --> 1:31:48.479 to move the crowd, make an announcement at the door 1:31:48.520 --> 1:31:50.320 and some ship, you know, but move that ship, you 1:31:50.520 --> 1:31:52.680 move your car, whatever you had. The MC had to 1:31:52.760 --> 1:31:56.599 keep that party a couple of plays. I would go, Man, 1:31:56.760 --> 1:31:58.600 especially at the colleges, Man, and I'll be like, you 1:31:58.640 --> 1:31:59.880 know what, man, I'm gonna get on the mic the 1:32:00.000 --> 1:32:02.639 sit these motherfucking whack motherfuckers down so we don't stop 1:32:03.000 --> 1:32:05.559 fucking my dance ship up. And that's when Hank saw 1:32:05.640 --> 1:32:08.080 me at one of the colleges and said, Yo, man, 1:32:08.160 --> 1:32:11.280 we need an MC. I'm like, I just want to 1:32:11.320 --> 1:32:12.920 go to the parties and do the flyers. Man, I 1:32:12.960 --> 1:32:15.559 don't want to it. And then that became a whole 1:32:15.600 --> 1:32:18.639 another thing, man. So that's what got me jumped off. 1:32:18.880 --> 1:32:22.439 But the first MC that I ever heard on the 1:32:22.600 --> 1:32:26.280 mic in live and Living Color, that really fucking blew 1:32:26.360 --> 1:32:32.360 me away. No, Mellie Mel, Yo, man, Mellie Me. Mellie 1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:36.000 Mel's first when people came a recording artist, Yeah, I 1:32:36.120 --> 1:32:39.519 called Mellie Mel Will Chamberlain because between Mellie Mel and 1:32:39.600 --> 1:32:42.240 the second dude, and you can say it's Kaz or 1:32:42.320 --> 1:32:47.000 Moldi or whatever, Mellie Mel is like world Chamberlain. Man, 1:32:47.120 --> 1:32:49.640 fifty points a game on your point game, It's like 1:32:50.080 --> 1:32:52.280 he up here in the second and the third, the 1:32:52.360 --> 1:32:54.719 fourth and fifth is down there. He had the longest, 1:32:54.840 --> 1:32:57.599 the widest gap or the best and the next best 1:32:57.720 --> 1:33:01.640 to me my personal opinion, ever And then he had 1:33:01.680 --> 1:33:03.839 a dude on the turn tables. That was just fucking 1:33:04.439 --> 1:33:08.200 Mellie mellon flash. But we shouldn't even really well, just 1:33:08.320 --> 1:33:11.040 went vibrale because he said that. He said that he 1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:16.080 believes that Eminem wouldn't be that great because he I 1:33:16.120 --> 1:33:19.720 don't want to miss call and he said Kendrick rid 1:33:19.800 --> 1:33:23.600 doesn't resonate with people or something like that. Ten generations 1:33:23.640 --> 1:33:26.720 and hip hopping wrap. Every generation got this thing. Um 1:33:27.800 --> 1:33:30.920 and Mellie Mel's generation. I think there was no gap. 1:33:31.720 --> 1:33:33.519 He was. The gap was so far between him and 1:33:33.560 --> 1:33:35.760 the next cat. MODI would admit that and ship say 1:33:35.800 --> 1:33:38.479 what the fuck? I was a second and fucking Melons 1:33:38.720 --> 1:33:42.559 on the mountain. But Eminem and Black thought, big up 1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:45.920 the Black thought and the roots and also Eminem cyborgs. Man, 1:33:46.160 --> 1:33:48.600 they cyborgs and computer and but let me tell you this, 1:33:49.560 --> 1:33:51.560 we can't also get caught up because you know, you 1:33:51.680 --> 1:33:56.599 got future generations and then you got people who ain't 1:33:56.640 --> 1:33:58.920 going to even get on the register who was so dope, 1:33:59.000 --> 1:34:04.479 like sky Zoo it's so dope, was saying out right now, 1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:07.519 Scots was so dope. But it's just like so many 1:34:07.560 --> 1:34:10.360 as a trillion mcs out there. So Cass is going 1:34:10.400 --> 1:34:13.120 into their style. But here's here's what we could get 1:34:13.160 --> 1:34:18.920 a little USA arrogant and let me tell you, and 1:34:19.120 --> 1:34:22.280 they confuse average what you was talking about earlier, the 1:34:22.320 --> 1:34:28.519 confusion of arrogance and confidence and swag and audacity and 1:34:28.760 --> 1:34:33.040 moxie and all that shit for a long period of time. 1:34:33.120 --> 1:34:36.000 Wherever you were in the world, when the New Yorker 1:34:36.040 --> 1:34:38.719 walks in the room, do you feel it? They said 1:34:38.720 --> 1:34:40.680 we were cocky. They said we were cocky. We just 1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:44.559 said that. Wherever you go on the planet Earth, when 1:34:44.600 --> 1:34:46.679 the New Yorker walk in the room and you ain't 1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:48.360 from New York and be like, oh, here coming that 1:34:48.520 --> 1:34:50.760 New York ship. But we don't mean it. That's what's 1:34:50.800 --> 1:34:54.280 fucked up about it. We don't actually need it, don't 1:34:55.000 --> 1:34:59.479 don't it a certain confidence? I know you, I don't 1:34:59.479 --> 1:35:00.840 mean it, but I'm but let me give you some 1:35:00.960 --> 1:35:05.720 relevance because the USA is make the same arrogant move 1:35:05.800 --> 1:35:08.519 to the rest of the world, right smell if you 1:35:09.120 --> 1:35:11.120 from the USA. And in fact, number one, if you 1:35:11.160 --> 1:35:17.800 call themselves Americans, like nobody else can the America since 1:35:17.840 --> 1:35:22.280 you America could ri be American, South America, Bolivians now 1:35:22.280 --> 1:35:24.680 American too. Now that to account, because we really the 1:35:24.760 --> 1:35:28.960 fucking Americans. That's the same motherfucker checking everybody to speak English, 1:35:29.400 --> 1:35:34.639 everybody mean by the British to say all y'all getting 1:35:34.640 --> 1:35:37.560 the fucking shit wrong. I'll tell you, I'm sorry, you 1:35:37.640 --> 1:35:41.000 got Listen, I don't know. I tell you the funniest ship. 1:35:44.040 --> 1:35:47.360 Excuse me. Whenever I see somebody who's like racist a 1:35:47.400 --> 1:35:49.720 little bit, I always say to them, you know, we 1:35:49.760 --> 1:35:54.720 should go to Europe together, because in Europe we're all Americans. 1:35:55.400 --> 1:35:59.840 They hate us equally. Like the only time I've ever been, 1:36:00.000 --> 1:36:02.240 and this is real shit, the only time I ever 1:36:02.439 --> 1:36:06.840 like felt like like America was accepted. I'm gonna be 1:36:06.840 --> 1:36:09.080 honest with you, this is when Obama was in office. 1:36:09.400 --> 1:36:11.760 When Obama is in office, it was like America, you 1:36:11.800 --> 1:36:15.360 guys are pretty cool. But then when Trump got back 1:36:15.360 --> 1:36:18.479 in office, oh yeah, oh yeah. When when Trump was 1:36:18.560 --> 1:36:21.000 in office, that was the end of whatever was left 1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:23.160 the black of the black card that we used to get. 1:36:23.200 --> 1:36:26.400 Going back in the morn, we traveled the world. Listen man, 1:36:26.720 --> 1:36:30.280 our first tour we traveling. Let me let me tell 1:36:30.320 --> 1:36:34.280 you travels. I got fifty books in me only put 1:36:34.320 --> 1:36:37.240 out ten. I got forty to go, I gotta figure 1:36:37.280 --> 1:36:39.840 this one out anywhere, because I got stories listening. We 1:36:40.840 --> 1:36:46.599 playing in Germany, West Germany at the time. No, that's 1:36:46.720 --> 1:36:50.240 that's West too, that's West Germany. Were playing in West Germany, 1:36:51.960 --> 1:36:55.160 but we traveled on the bus and we got to 1:36:55.200 --> 1:37:02.439 play Berlin. Now, listen, you you love postmodern Berlin. This 1:37:02.680 --> 1:37:10.800 is now in order to get from the line at 1:37:10.880 --> 1:37:13.280 the end of West Germany, you gotta take this one 1:37:13.360 --> 1:37:18.240 motherfucking road to West Berlin, which is in the middle 1:37:18.280 --> 1:37:21.360 of East Germany. But it's flit into two areas. So 1:37:21.520 --> 1:37:23.600 the minute you get to the fucking line, be that's it. 1:37:23.840 --> 1:37:26.800 Four o'clock in the morning. They waking your ass up 1:37:26.840 --> 1:37:29.920 with dogs and flashlights. Who know, the machine guns and 1:37:30.080 --> 1:37:34.040 machine guns in your fucking face, and what do you do? 1:37:34.400 --> 1:37:37.960 You know what I was like, we concert music, black people, 1:37:38.560 --> 1:37:41.680 It's like, it's your ass, every single one of your 1:37:41.680 --> 1:37:44.439 asses off the bus in the middle and three o'clock 1:37:44.479 --> 1:37:46.680 in the morning and Skippy's man, and we're gonna look 1:37:46.680 --> 1:37:48.160 in your eyes and see if you're lining up with 1:37:48.200 --> 1:37:52.080 the passport to take this one ass road to West Berlin, 1:37:52.800 --> 1:37:55.759 and don't straight to get off this motherfucking road. Wow, 1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:59.840 you go to West Berlin and you see a wall 1:38:00.479 --> 1:38:03.919 bob wire and dividing the city in half. I performed 1:38:03.960 --> 1:38:06.679 in West Berlin one time next to a Nazi club. 1:38:07.600 --> 1:38:10.439 I went outside the smoke a cigarette by eightiot that 1:38:10.600 --> 1:38:13.720 I was, and you ever feel somebody looking at you 1:38:13.840 --> 1:38:15.880 and you know they're looking at you, And I turned 1:38:15.920 --> 1:38:18.240 it all smoking a cigarette and every one of these 1:38:18.320 --> 1:38:23.719 guys had the ostica And one year was that that? Okay? 1:38:23.760 --> 1:38:25.599 So that was that was That was ten years after 1:38:25.680 --> 1:38:29.200 the war, So it was it was fully integrated. Both. 1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:32.080 The thing about it, everybody from the East Berlin side, 1:38:32.120 --> 1:38:37.439 the former phil Curtains, the Soviet well as they call 1:38:37.560 --> 1:38:42.120 communists socialist side. You know, we're like, okay, listen, we're 1:38:42.160 --> 1:38:44.800 supposed to be one Germany now, but I ain't got 1:38:44.880 --> 1:38:47.320 no fucking leg up. You know, y'all from West Germany 1:38:47.400 --> 1:38:49.120 got money in the bank, We got like a driver 1:38:49.240 --> 1:38:51.800 taxi cab for five hundred years to be able to 1:38:51.840 --> 1:38:53.600 get an apartment. So you had a lot of that 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:55.960 shit going on with to your damn right. Nazis was like, 1:38:56.040 --> 1:38:58.120 you know what, we're not gonna be loud about this ship, 1:38:58.240 --> 1:39:01.240 but we need to bring Germany back Germany great again. Right, 1:39:03.560 --> 1:39:06.560 So back then, it's like we got fans on the 1:39:06.640 --> 1:39:08.720 other side of the Berlin wall. They want to come 1:39:08.800 --> 1:39:12.200 to the gig, but at the wall, the motherfucker's like this, 1:39:12.360 --> 1:39:15.320 you get a bad case of the deads. You know 1:39:15.320 --> 1:39:17.120 what I'm saying, All that fight, the power of shit 1:39:17.240 --> 1:39:19.760 fucking stops right here. And this is what I'm saying. 1:39:20.080 --> 1:39:23.760 Wherever you go, you can't be like wearing. It's like, 1:39:23.880 --> 1:39:26.879 oh yeah, I'm American. It's like what part of America 1:39:26.920 --> 1:39:29.479 you're a US ayer? So we gotta kind of like 1:39:29.600 --> 1:39:31.599 tone down and once upont of the time, we didn't 1:39:31.600 --> 1:39:34.040 have a black card, because we had a black card 1:39:34.080 --> 1:39:37.080 because because people recognize I struck, Oh yeah, Marl Luther 1:39:37.240 --> 1:39:40.200 King that killed Malcolm X. Y'all. Motherfucker's the rebels. You know, 1:39:40.240 --> 1:39:43.719 you're invited any year. Then later on when President Obama 1:39:44.280 --> 1:39:45.840 and I call him president, I don't call him Barack 1:39:45.920 --> 1:39:48.120 like people think they know him by name. What the fuck? 1:39:48.360 --> 1:39:53.639 You know? President Obama came in. I knew that shit man, 1:39:54.320 --> 1:39:58.240 all right, he's president. Half of that black card disappear 1:39:58.720 --> 1:40:00.880 because now he's the president in States. He ain't gonna 1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:03.240 be the president of black people's president of the United States. 1:40:03.560 --> 1:40:06.200 What does that do for you, Chuck? You get a 1:40:06.280 --> 1:40:08.680 chance to buy some time four years. We get a 1:40:08.760 --> 1:40:10.640 chance to buy the time to go to where we 1:40:10.680 --> 1:40:13.000 gotta get in the world do order to connect with 1:40:13.120 --> 1:40:18.240 our people. The diaspora is very important. The diaspora is 1:40:19.120 --> 1:40:23.439 black brown people around the world. You know, it really 1:40:23.560 --> 1:40:25.360 is the human race. But we gotta say black folks 1:40:25.400 --> 1:40:28.560 around the world where it's like, okay, population, this is 1:40:28.600 --> 1:40:31.479 what thirteen or fifteen percent, I don't ever know where 1:40:31.479 --> 1:40:34.519 the two percent means black people in the United States 1:40:34.600 --> 1:40:37.920 of America? Right, what does that mean? You outnumbered? So 1:40:38.040 --> 1:40:39.880 you got to connect with the days. You can't have 1:40:40.000 --> 1:40:42.280 no differences. Sometimes you might have to say, you know, 1:40:42.520 --> 1:40:45.040 I got to get an idea from this cat that's 1:40:45.080 --> 1:40:47.519 in Swaziland, and I gotta connect with this cat. We 1:40:47.600 --> 1:40:50.320 got gadgets, we got computers that they're able to sit, 1:40:50.600 --> 1:40:54.120 better computers than they had when they sent something to 1:40:54.200 --> 1:40:56.719 the moon. And I ain't gonna get into that conspiracy 1:40:56.760 --> 1:40:59.920 theory either or whatever. I'm not even getting that because 1:40:59.920 --> 1:41:02.200 I having conversations with people that think they've been there. 1:41:02.240 --> 1:41:04.000 I'm like, you were point in nineteen ain't he want 1:41:04.080 --> 1:41:07.000 the fuck it was the director. They said that he 1:41:07.120 --> 1:41:11.080 did as the first person of green screen. Hey, the 1:41:11.120 --> 1:41:14.519 model with me, I believe you know my motto, I 1:41:14.680 --> 1:41:18.759 believe everything and nothing at all. You believe everything, everything 1:41:18.880 --> 1:41:23.040 and nothing to fuck at all? This model as it rolls, 1:41:23.400 --> 1:41:25.639 I gotta like evaluate this, sit with it a while. 1:41:25.640 --> 1:41:27.120 I sit it to the side, like you know, I 1:41:27.200 --> 1:41:29.080 get back to that later. Man, I'm not gonna tell 1:41:29.080 --> 1:41:30.960 you what I believe or not believe. I gotta do 1:41:31.040 --> 1:41:33.840 some evaluation before your ass tried to tell me what 1:41:33.960 --> 1:41:38.439 it is. So, I mean, the point that I'm saying 1:41:38.560 --> 1:41:41.519 is that that you know in this in this way 1:41:41.560 --> 1:41:44.320 to go around the world. I just think that we 1:41:44.439 --> 1:41:48.400 could be more aware. I mean, this place is in 1:41:48.439 --> 1:41:55.400 the world. Seriously, we're playing We're playing Taiwan where they say, shit, 1:41:55.479 --> 1:41:57.560 you didn't see that. You say that. They said in 1:41:57.560 --> 1:42:00.280 the war, when you hit the airport, anything boy in 1:42:00.360 --> 1:42:04.800 this country pelts death. Yeah, I didn't read that. They 1:42:04.960 --> 1:42:08.120 kept my ass in the airport. I had a sword 1:42:08.840 --> 1:42:15.519 that we use on the stage. Yeah, left me. Where's James? 1:42:16.880 --> 1:42:18.880 The little dudes had me in the corner and says 1:42:18.960 --> 1:42:22.000 you cannot bring this. They have a smile on their face. 1:42:22.160 --> 1:42:26.120 None of them matters. They had machine guns. Little dude. 1:42:28.640 --> 1:42:30.679 I went the signal bare. I went to signal bore, 1:42:30.800 --> 1:42:34.000 and when I landed, you can't spit. When I landed 1:42:34.040 --> 1:42:36.640 the signal bore, they put me to the back. I 1:42:36.800 --> 1:42:39.680 thought I had a key lord cocaine. You know what. 1:42:39.760 --> 1:42:43.360 They put me over for cigarettes. It's illegal to buy 1:42:43.479 --> 1:42:45.559 cigarettes if it's not from signal. I think that's where 1:42:45.560 --> 1:42:47.479 they last. There was an American kid. I think in 1:42:47.520 --> 1:42:50.720 the nineties that they gave lashes too for doing graffiti. Well, 1:42:50.800 --> 1:42:53.280 let me tell you this. You spit, you go to jail. 1:42:53.680 --> 1:42:57.120 Let me tell you this. Know the law. Know everything 1:42:57.160 --> 1:43:00.880 about the law that you go and know exactly. Just 1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:03.479 know that is Understand that. Man, there's two hundred and 1:43:03.479 --> 1:43:05.880 twenty countries on this planet. Are twenty twenty two that 1:43:06.000 --> 1:43:08.719 the James recently said, I thought it was two fourteen. 1:43:09.040 --> 1:43:11.559 The place is splitting in the different factions and ship 1:43:12.320 --> 1:43:14.920 know it. I was playing the Jacarta with prophets of raids. 1:43:14.960 --> 1:43:18.000 They got the prophets of raids. Yo. Man. It was like, listen, 1:43:18.320 --> 1:43:22.200 play your songs, do not speak to the audience. We're 1:43:22.200 --> 1:43:25.559 gonna tell you once. I can't say it again, right, 1:43:25.960 --> 1:43:30.360 I'm sorry your songs. Play the song, but don't speak 1:43:30.400 --> 1:43:36.800 to the don't say shit to the audience right now. 1:43:37.040 --> 1:43:39.040 Now here's another thing. How would you do this? You 1:43:39.360 --> 1:43:41.600 just you play your song. I can't say throw your 1:43:41.640 --> 1:43:45.960 hands in the air the audience. No, no, stop the song. 1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:49.720 By the way, I think that you can't be like 1:43:50.000 --> 1:43:52.320 your whole girl in the purple. You look good that 1:43:53.760 --> 1:43:56.400 the line, I mean, we played the basin back in 1:43:56.479 --> 1:43:59.120 the listen. We played in places when it was was 1:43:59.160 --> 1:44:05.720 just for your your ship. But Beijing, I got I 1:44:05.800 --> 1:44:10.360 got lost without effort. After I said, I was looking 1:44:10.920 --> 1:44:16.200 like he's been trying to correct you all day. You 1:44:16.280 --> 1:44:18.120 just his hero. You need this a Mike Tyson ding. 1:44:18.360 --> 1:44:20.280 He just looked at He's like, I'm not correcting the job. 1:44:20.640 --> 1:44:27.920 But my drop, he said, dj Ef, No, he loves you. 1:44:28.000 --> 1:44:31.720 He loves you. Listen as you is he crying in 1:44:31.800 --> 1:44:41.559 the bathroom. Yeah, that's come up with some funny. I'll 1:44:41.600 --> 1:44:45.120 be fucked up trying to. By the way, Ef, it's 1:44:45.160 --> 1:44:51.240 like yall on two different days. It's like fathers. I'm 1:44:51.320 --> 1:44:55.360 so sorry. Another probles. He goes to crazy Crazy legs 1:44:55.360 --> 1:44:58.960 are right yes, crazy and pick ups the crazy legs 1:44:59.600 --> 1:45:02.400 um one of my hills. Look, man, he said, I 1:45:02.439 --> 1:45:08.240 don't pick up his phone right. Every year he would 1:45:08.240 --> 1:45:09.840 ask me to come to rock Steady. We was on 1:45:10.000 --> 1:45:13.840 tour every fucking year, and I was like, bro, I'm sorry, 1:45:14.000 --> 1:45:16.320 and it would be around July, which would go into 1:45:16.400 --> 1:45:19.439 my birthday and it was like, damn man, every year 1:45:19.520 --> 1:45:21.600 and every years on it. I didn't even show up 1:45:21.640 --> 1:45:24.240 to ice CU's Big Three because every year he would 1:45:24.280 --> 1:45:26.920 have at July in August. And that's why I said, finally, 1:45:26.960 --> 1:45:30.080 when the when the locomotive slowed down, I was like, 1:45:30.520 --> 1:45:32.960 now I'm able to see places on my own time. Man. 1:45:33.040 --> 1:45:36.679 It's like, but yeah, big big, you know, apologies and yeah, 1:45:36.720 --> 1:45:38.720 I mean I don't pick up a phone. I mean 1:45:38.720 --> 1:45:40.400 I'll be looking at it. I'll be looking at the 1:45:40.439 --> 1:45:43.240 phone and I'm like, I'm never answering this motherfucker whatever. 1:45:43.920 --> 1:45:46.240 You know, so you gotta text me and and I 1:45:46.280 --> 1:45:48.840 could give you or whatever back, but you know, it's 1:45:48.920 --> 1:45:51.080 it's it's just what it is. Man. We circle. Man, 1:45:51.160 --> 1:45:52.960 It's like, you know how it is now? You know 1:45:53.000 --> 1:45:55.719 what's crazy hearing you say that? What I just thought 1:45:56.479 --> 1:46:00.679 was I'm not revisiting places that I've been to for performance, 1:46:00.760 --> 1:46:03.360 Like I've been to Hawaii so many times, Honolulu, but 1:46:03.479 --> 1:46:21.000 I went to it for business first, so big even 1:46:22.160 --> 1:46:24.120 I write that first half of this show. But it 1:46:24.280 --> 1:46:28.559 was crazy because I you know, um, I've re visited 1:46:28.560 --> 1:46:31.400 places now that I've only been to for work, right, So, 1:46:31.600 --> 1:46:33.639 like it's so many places like Hawaii or so many 1:46:34.880 --> 1:46:38.280 when somebody paid, oh yeah, because you know, you know 1:46:38.320 --> 1:46:40.680 what they pay you to come to the So now 1:46:40.720 --> 1:46:42.680 what somebody said, can you come in and actually pay 1:46:42.720 --> 1:46:45.240 the fucking flight. You know, it's a totally different thing 1:46:45.280 --> 1:46:49.840 because I remember me actually hating Paris. Like I'm sorry 1:46:49.840 --> 1:46:53.439 for people that live in Paris. I'm sorry y'all. Didn't 1:46:53.439 --> 1:46:56.880 we deal in at first your own listen, your own 1:46:57.600 --> 1:47:00.479 names of what you think. So at first I used 1:47:00.520 --> 1:47:01.840 to go to Paris and I used to be like, 1:47:02.560 --> 1:47:05.920 I don't want to be here. I no Eiffel Tower, 1:47:06.760 --> 1:47:09.760 nothing attracted me. Right, I met my wife, God bless her. 1:47:10.080 --> 1:47:12.720 My wife said, motherfucker you getting out this hotel room 1:47:13.040 --> 1:47:16.400 and we're gonna motherfucking go, We're gonna eat, we eat 1:47:16.439 --> 1:47:18.719 the brand. I fucking rode a bicycle. I was felt 1:47:18.840 --> 1:47:22.679 fucking retarded. But I was just like, I was like, Okay, 1:47:22.920 --> 1:47:25.120 this is culture, Like this is what we're supposed to do. 1:47:25.760 --> 1:47:28.120 I didn't know that being from New York. We want 1:47:28.120 --> 1:47:31.560 to keep on, we want to keep our timberlands on 1:47:31.800 --> 1:47:36.120 in the ocean. We don't break. And it was the 1:47:36.240 --> 1:47:43.439 first time was my wife just was actually showing me that, listen, culture, 1:47:43.880 --> 1:47:46.000 this is this is what you you kind of do. 1:47:46.360 --> 1:47:48.920 But I took all of this for granted. I took 1:47:49.120 --> 1:47:51.840 you from New York. Se how much culture is in 1:47:51.920 --> 1:47:54.559 New York? That have you? Have you visited nothing? I've 1:47:54.600 --> 1:47:57.320 never been in I've never been in the Statue of Liberty. 1:47:58.840 --> 1:48:01.000 A lot of New York is when you tell them, like, listen, 1:48:01.560 --> 1:48:05.240 there's so much in New York. You really kind of 1:48:05.280 --> 1:48:07.240 ain't got to go nowhere else, but you got to 1:48:07.320 --> 1:48:11.080 go to New York, none of them listen. You've been 1:48:11.120 --> 1:48:15.040 to my studio. I've had a thirty second in Madison. 1:48:15.040 --> 1:48:18.000 I had a studio across the street from um down 1:48:18.040 --> 1:48:20.720 the block from Empire State Building. I've never had the 1:48:20.840 --> 1:48:26.519 urge of walking in my whole life, right who life? 1:48:26.840 --> 1:48:29.719 People in another country are dying. You know what's crazy? 1:48:30.000 --> 1:48:31.519 This is what this This was crazy. When you go 1:48:31.600 --> 1:48:33.720 to Europe, right, and you speak to someone from Europe, right, 1:48:33.920 --> 1:48:36.360 they always say, because the States, by the way, I 1:48:36.439 --> 1:48:40.240 hate stop calling us the States fucking assholes. Right, this 1:48:40.479 --> 1:48:42.879 is the States. That's more accurate than not saying American. 1:48:43.080 --> 1:48:45.280 But here's here's here's it. If you ever speak to 1:48:45.360 --> 1:48:48.200 someone from Europe they say, so, you say, it's like yeah, 1:48:48.200 --> 1:48:49.720 because you know in the States it'd be like that, 1:48:49.760 --> 1:48:51.439 and I'll be looking at them. I'd be like, okay, 1:48:51.520 --> 1:48:54.200 so what state have you been to? And then the 1:48:54.479 --> 1:48:57.000 spect to Seattle. But then they'll they'll say something like, oh, 1:48:57.040 --> 1:48:59.920 I've visited Seattle and they went to Seattle for two 1:49:00.160 --> 1:49:03.280 days and they based the whole America office before they 1:49:03.479 --> 1:49:06.920 visit for Seattle. And I'd be so happy to crush 1:49:06.960 --> 1:49:11.240 their dreams and to say you've never been in America, sir, 1:49:11.479 --> 1:49:14.960 But just you've been to Tacoma, but your your culture 1:49:15.000 --> 1:49:18.120 didn't style the first thing you said, douster doff. But 1:49:18.680 --> 1:49:21.400 but but to play Germany, you play eight different places 1:49:21.680 --> 1:49:25.679 because you've you've also employed the Hamburger, right, but pulling 1:49:25.720 --> 1:49:29.120 you place. But the Irish person is going to go 1:49:29.280 --> 1:49:31.439 to one city on the trail Ima go to Hamburg 1:49:31.520 --> 1:49:34.160 and come to fuck. You can't judge Germany over Hamburg. 1:49:34.280 --> 1:49:38.320 You gotta. But that's why artists have the window to 1:49:38.560 --> 1:49:44.120 teach the world to those you know, it is Hamburg, Hamburg, yeah, 1:49:44.160 --> 1:49:47.479 and Frankfort and Frankfort yeah. And I didn't need a 1:49:47.520 --> 1:49:53.680 Hamburger on Frankfort there. That's the license that artists have. 1:49:53.880 --> 1:49:56.760 It's like, you know, give us your time and we'll 1:49:56.840 --> 1:50:00.760 give you the world. But you know, some times when 1:50:00.840 --> 1:50:02.280 it came out, I want to give you a black 1:50:02.320 --> 1:50:04.800 side of the world. But everything about us is fucked up. 1:50:04.880 --> 1:50:06.800 It's like, you'll come on. Really, it's like we ain't 1:50:06.840 --> 1:50:09.160 got some We can't even say the word beautiful. That 1:50:09.280 --> 1:50:11.520 was the thing about Kid Lamar. He used a beautiful 1:50:11.640 --> 1:50:15.559 in his vernacular. You know. Uh, Kanye has done things 1:50:15.800 --> 1:50:19.680 like that makes you say, wow, that's just beautiful. You 1:50:20.120 --> 1:50:22.599 ask me about Kanye, I'm like I said this for years. 1:50:22.600 --> 1:50:24.439 I say, well, he started his own religion, and the 1:50:24.560 --> 1:50:27.200 dude is like salvad Or Dolly. Oh shit, that's a good. 1:50:27.400 --> 1:50:29.320 But if you don't know Salvador Dolly, it's like, well, 1:50:29.840 --> 1:50:32.519 I mean I said bars and lyrics. I said, you 1:50:32.560 --> 1:50:35.280 ain't gonna catch up to this ship until you become coaches. 1:50:36.280 --> 1:50:39.960 It's like, but I'm not trying to educate you at fourteen. 1:50:40.080 --> 1:50:43.400 That's somebody who's twenty that you love has got to 1:50:43.439 --> 1:50:45.560 do that job. Me. I'm like, you know, I'm like, 1:50:45.800 --> 1:50:49.320 I'm like me and we were sex egenerians. Man, that's 1:50:49.360 --> 1:50:51.960 our official title. You know you're your sixties man, so 1:50:52.720 --> 1:50:59.040 you should talk about things A beautiful thing man. The 1:50:59.160 --> 1:51:03.240 world is beautiful man. Yeah, but I mean yeah, nature, 1:51:05.160 --> 1:51:08.840 nature will destroyed so much shit. That's the fucking ugly 1:51:08.920 --> 1:51:11.320 aspect of it too. You can spend your time on 1:51:11.360 --> 1:51:13.439 the Weather Channel will always talk about the next disaster, 1:51:13.840 --> 1:51:16.360 but you're giving me a sunny day some goddamn time. God, 1:51:16.400 --> 1:51:18.679 everybody just can't do that. So it's a It's a beautifu. 1:51:18.840 --> 1:51:21.599 Hip hop is such a beautiful for him. So back 1:51:21.640 --> 1:51:25.320 to that that early the hip Hop Alliance Please yes, 1:51:25.640 --> 1:51:28.360 which is hip hop's first union, because I heard that 1:51:28.560 --> 1:51:30.479 you know that that you guys also mentioned that we 1:51:30.560 --> 1:51:33.000 try we try to start it ourselves. We were talking 1:51:33.040 --> 1:51:36.639 about early on, but I'm sure you've been doing it. God, God, 1:51:37.000 --> 1:51:41.800 big up Curtis Blow, who seriously has the longest timeline 1:51:42.040 --> 1:51:45.680 of anybody in recorded hip hop history. He signed the 1:51:45.880 --> 1:51:52.000 first major record contract in nineteen seventy nine. Matter of fact, 1:51:52.040 --> 1:51:54.040 I think even at seventy nine, they went to look 1:51:54.120 --> 1:51:57.080 and scouted, They try to sign Eddie Cheaper or some 1:51:57.200 --> 1:51:59.960 of the other star warts, and they end up saying 1:52:00.200 --> 1:52:03.280 Curtis Blow is the perfect person. And by no surprise, 1:52:03.360 --> 1:52:07.320 and ain't no accident, you had what Christmas rapper Alan 1:52:07.439 --> 1:52:11.680 nineteen seventy nine, Blow, Yeah, he's hurt Curtis Blow, and 1:52:11.720 --> 1:52:14.760 then you had the breaks so and and then by 1:52:14.840 --> 1:52:17.519 no surprise, if we cast at first doing records, they 1:52:17.560 --> 1:52:19.800 were the best that did it because nobody else was 1:52:19.880 --> 1:52:22.440 doing it at that level. It's no surprise that Grandmaster 1:52:22.520 --> 1:52:25.760 Flash and the Furious Five recorded, you know, first for 1:52:26.200 --> 1:52:30.599 Brazilia in October. Then they did enjoy with Bobby Robinson's 1:52:30.680 --> 1:52:34.080 label super Rapping, because them two was a super rapping, 1:52:34.479 --> 1:52:41.400 super rapping Mellie mel Kid Creole and also free Kid Creole. Please, 1:52:41.920 --> 1:52:44.240 but that's why we have the hip hop SPIONs. Well 1:52:44.360 --> 1:52:49.280 Kid Creole. You had Raheem Mix, Mister saka Scorpio and 1:52:49.400 --> 1:52:52.280 Keith Cowboy, who invented the term hip hop as far 1:52:52.360 --> 1:52:58.040 as the recorder story, Yeah yeah, I mean and each 1:52:58.080 --> 1:53:01.200 one of them MC's the Pulleys and you put them 1:53:01.240 --> 1:53:04.240 together and make five MC sound like one with Grandmaster Flash. 1:53:04.720 --> 1:53:07.639 What it's like, by no mistake, there's like you gotta 1:53:07.680 --> 1:53:11.200 do records so big. All opposite sugar Hill Gang because 1:53:11.240 --> 1:53:15.840 they the first and really it's debatable because King Tim 1:53:15.960 --> 1:53:20.519 the Third was on with playing with Fat Back Band 1:53:21.240 --> 1:53:24.280 with you know, King Tim the Third, which was I mean, 1:53:24.560 --> 1:53:26.800 Fat Back Band was my favorite, one of my favorite groups. 1:53:26.840 --> 1:53:28.519 So when they came out I heard them on w 1:53:28.800 --> 1:53:32.639 KTU in July nineteen seventy nine, I was like, damn 1:53:32.760 --> 1:53:36.519 he rapping and that's something wold. But when sugar Hill 1:53:36.680 --> 1:53:39.560 came out, the thing that puts sugar Hill over the 1:53:39.800 --> 1:53:43.280 edge they rapped on the Good Times, and my god, 1:53:43.680 --> 1:53:50.760 there's never ever, ever, ever been attracted monumental the hip 1:53:50.800 --> 1:53:54.880 hop and rapping like Good Times nineteen seventy nine, nineteen 1:53:54.920 --> 1:53:59.479 seventy nine. Man, the summer nineteen seventy nine hip hop 1:53:59.600 --> 1:54:03.160 was so crazy with Good Times because it was like 1:54:03.240 --> 1:54:08.960 what it's from chic and show good Time record by 1:54:09.160 --> 1:54:12.920 Bye shep Okay, and they were like what they were 1:54:12.960 --> 1:54:15.880 like they got coin disco because they made the Raider 1:54:16.600 --> 1:54:18.720 happened to play in disco. You know, they're quite what 1:54:18.960 --> 1:54:25.000 freak out that before that everybody dance, so they was 1:54:25.080 --> 1:54:27.600 like they weright they So they got kind of like 1:54:27.760 --> 1:54:29.400 coined as a disco band, but they was just a 1:54:29.479 --> 1:54:32.720 badass motherfucking band. And so when they came out with 1:54:32.960 --> 1:54:35.400 Good Times of seventy nine, I remember being at the party, 1:54:35.480 --> 1:54:37.360 you know, and they said this new record by Eddie 1:54:37.400 --> 1:54:39.160 Chievera broke it right. He came out the long aud 1:54:39.160 --> 1:54:41.120 and he said, Eddie, you got this new record by 1:54:41.280 --> 1:54:43.760 Chic you know, and everybody's expecting, like the music be 1:54:43.880 --> 1:54:47.840 up tempo like that. They played Good Times and that 1:54:47.880 --> 1:54:52.560 ship started like that, and we were like, what the 1:54:52.760 --> 1:54:56.240 fuck is this country slow shit? Right? He played it 1:54:56.320 --> 1:54:59.000 two more times that night. It's like, okay, she is 1:54:59.240 --> 1:55:03.000 loaded the tempo down to some country funk whatever. But man, 1:55:03.160 --> 1:55:06.680 in two weeks, DJ's got a hold of that motherfucker 1:55:07.440 --> 1:55:10.440 and down to the blank gang Gang Gang Gang, Good 1:55:10.600 --> 1:55:14.520 Times boom boom and that yo. Man, I'm telling you, 1:55:15.120 --> 1:55:19.520 you can't even describe how hip hop was in June, 1:55:19.680 --> 1:55:22.720 July and August in nineteen seventy nine. There is no 1:55:23.400 --> 1:55:26.680 explanation for it. There is no and there's one tape 1:55:26.760 --> 1:55:28.840 that's going around, but I called the greatest hip hop 1:55:28.960 --> 1:55:31.400 nighte ever was October nineteen seventy nine. It's out there 1:55:31.440 --> 1:55:33.760 on YouTube. I've played on my radio show a bunch 1:55:33.800 --> 1:55:36.680 of times. Big up to everybody at rap station. Yo, man, 1:55:37.440 --> 1:55:44.640 it's Starsky on the Turntables. DJ Hollywood's Eddie Cheaper, it 1:55:44.880 --> 1:55:49.280 is DJ Divine from Infinity Machine. It's Grandmaster Flash, Curtis 1:55:49.400 --> 1:55:53.640 Blow and Mellie Mell and they are like, yo, man, 1:55:53.960 --> 1:55:56.080 you couldn't take your eyes or your ears off of them. 1:55:56.280 --> 1:55:58.960 But it was inconceivable that somebody would make a rap 1:55:59.000 --> 1:56:01.520 record because even me was I was like, rap record, 1:56:01.560 --> 1:56:03.360 How the fuck are you gonna put rap on the record. 1:56:03.400 --> 1:56:06.400 It's a three hour thing. Man, It's like I was like, 1:56:06.480 --> 1:56:10.080 it's impossible. I was like, impossible, and I I ain't 1:56:10.120 --> 1:56:13.360 no kid, I'm nineteen years old. I'm like, it's impossible 1:56:13.400 --> 1:56:15.080 to make a round. How the fucker. And then when 1:56:15.120 --> 1:56:16.880 King Tim the Third came out like he was like, 1:56:18.320 --> 1:56:23.480 m okay. And then when sugar Hillcad sugar Hill did it, 1:56:23.680 --> 1:56:29.480 it was like, Yo, that's it. And the thing about it, bro, 1:56:31.480 --> 1:56:35.400 that ship was sixteen minutes long. Yeah, the ironic thing 1:56:35.520 --> 1:56:37.560 is why you always got put time in the context, 1:56:38.400 --> 1:56:41.320 the sixteen minutes was not how long it was, It 1:56:41.440 --> 1:56:44.560 is how short they got it. That's short because yeah, 1:56:44.640 --> 1:56:49.040 because they got it down to sixteen minutes. I'm gonna 1:56:49.040 --> 1:56:51.000 tell you that this this, I've said this a few times. 1:56:51.360 --> 1:56:54.040 I was apology getting on the mic to sit whack 1:56:54.120 --> 1:56:57.000 him seats down. They played good Times. I'm rocking the 1:56:57.080 --> 1:56:58.920 fuck out of good times. Right all of a sudden, 1:56:58.920 --> 1:57:02.640 I ain't your words behind me, DJ's Larry t Worries 1:57:02.680 --> 1:57:03.880 behind me. So what do you think I did? I 1:57:03.960 --> 1:57:07.520 did the fucking miliev nilly. I kept moving my mouth 1:57:08.760 --> 1:57:11.920 and the crack and I was rocking for fucking twenty minutes. 1:57:12.280 --> 1:57:14.280 Remember I was on. I was rocking a good time before. 1:57:15.200 --> 1:57:18.720 So sure enough, man, people were like, damn, changing this voice. 1:57:18.760 --> 1:57:21.160 Even the chicken tastes like boyd all that shit. Right 1:57:22.080 --> 1:57:23.960 at the end, Cats is coming up to me like, yo, 1:57:24.120 --> 1:57:27.880 he's a bad motherfucker. He's just round on and on, 1:57:28.080 --> 1:57:30.160 because back back then he's like he went on and on, 1:57:30.840 --> 1:57:32.640 you know, to the break of dawn, like hot butter 1:57:32.720 --> 1:57:35.760 on the what the popcorn? Right, I'm with non stop run. 1:57:37.120 --> 1:57:39.680 I turned around after people are like left. I looked 1:57:39.720 --> 1:57:41.200 at that and say, what the fuck? But what's that? 1:57:41.920 --> 1:57:45.720 He showed me Red Label Rappers the Light sugar Hill Gag. 1:57:45.800 --> 1:57:49.840 I was like what I was? My brains looked blown. 1:57:50.280 --> 1:57:55.000 The next day, WBLS, this is Frankie Crocker and I 1:57:55.080 --> 1:57:57.480 got a new record by my friend Sylvia Robinson. This 1:57:57.720 --> 1:57:59.960 is called Rappers The Light by the sugar Hill Gag. 1:58:00.920 --> 1:58:02.840 You heard it, you know the city was on fire. 1:58:03.080 --> 1:58:05.800 The city was on fire by the next Thursday when 1:58:05.840 --> 1:58:08.200 I did the thing, castles like you nice Chuck, But 1:58:08.320 --> 1:58:13.400 come on, man, that's how long I've been Robber, I've 1:58:13.400 --> 1:58:15.360 been riding with since they sneak a record behind me, 1:58:15.480 --> 1:58:18.280 got words on it also fuck oh man. But let 1:58:18.360 --> 1:58:22.240 me tell you, man, I can't even I can't even like, 1:58:22.640 --> 1:58:27.160 I can't weigh the magnitude of hip hop before records man, 1:58:27.280 --> 1:58:31.080 and that record Good Times Times just I can't imagine 1:58:31.120 --> 1:58:33.960 it was. It was fucking it was. It was. It 1:58:34.080 --> 1:58:36.440 blew to this day thinking about That's what I'm saying. 1:58:36.760 --> 1:58:40.360 The time, the context of time is everything because you 1:58:40.480 --> 1:58:42.560 can't go back into time the same thing about like 1:58:42.680 --> 1:58:46.840 when when Mellie Mel might say I could get any rapper, 1:58:47.720 --> 1:58:49.280 but well, the thing about you got to hold the 1:58:49.360 --> 1:58:52.360 context of time and time is real. It's like if 1:58:52.400 --> 1:58:55.320 you say, whoa Mellie Mel, Let's say if he wants 1:58:55.360 --> 1:58:58.160 to take on Well, it's exactly. I mean, that's a 1:58:58.240 --> 1:59:03.040 number storm not gonna say it right, but but I respect. 1:59:03.200 --> 1:59:05.800 All you gotta do is say, well, Mellie Mel, if 1:59:05.840 --> 1:59:08.280 he was nineteen in nineteen seventy nine and you wasn't 1:59:08.320 --> 1:59:10.440 born yet, then you couldn't compete. That's why when they 1:59:10.480 --> 1:59:13.240 say boxes like put Tysons get Ali, I was saying, 1:59:13.320 --> 1:59:16.120 but when did we start? Did we say when Ali 1:59:16.320 --> 1:59:19.440 is seventy something and Tyson is thirty or dude? Or 1:59:19.520 --> 1:59:22.000 do we do and Ali was twenty and Tyson wasn't 1:59:22.000 --> 1:59:24.640 born yet? He was a zygot and ship. You know, 1:59:24.920 --> 1:59:26.800 I mean, what do you so, what do we compare it? Oh? 1:59:26.840 --> 1:59:30.120 You're trying to move time to make that. You cannot 1:59:30.240 --> 1:59:33.240 compare errors. You cannot move time. We don't have much 1:59:33.320 --> 1:59:35.680 changes in that time. The construct. We could dream of 1:59:35.880 --> 1:59:38.120 some shit like you know, like well so and so 1:59:38.280 --> 1:59:41.280 and its prime versus so and so and knit prime, Well, 1:59:41.320 --> 1:59:43.040 how are you gonna know what the prime is is? 1:59:43.160 --> 1:59:45.880 And so it's art, It's it's fun to do these things. 1:59:45.960 --> 1:59:49.000 It's fun to make listen shit like that. Everybody, Oh man, rollers, 1:59:50.720 --> 1:59:59.160 do you think Flavor flags? Yes? Is Boosey's pops. We 1:59:59.360 --> 2:00:06.160 always come with questions of what we think Flavor. I 2:00:06.360 --> 2:00:08.400 felt it, but then when I seen them together, I 2:00:08.520 --> 2:00:10.160 was like, maybe this is not as fun as I 2:00:10.280 --> 2:00:13.320 think the kind of really do. And I love Lucy. 2:00:13.480 --> 2:00:15.600 I love you Bucy. Where we were, I love it. 2:00:15.720 --> 2:00:19.200 But my good brother Nori. When you study the diaspora, 2:00:19.320 --> 2:00:22.480 you know that many of us got twins and triplets everywhere. 2:00:22.920 --> 2:00:25.920 Matter of fact, when we first played Ghana, they wouldn't 2:00:25.960 --> 2:00:29.400 let Flavor leave. He had that many kids out there. No, no, 2:00:31.360 --> 2:00:33.720 we don't believe. We won't believe that you're not from here, 2:00:33.880 --> 2:00:36.680 yea like they do. He was, You're not right. We 2:00:36.760 --> 2:00:39.440 had to show hate. I'm not I'm not from me, 2:00:39.480 --> 2:00:42.080 I'm somewhere else. So yeah, they did. He from Ghana too, 2:00:42.240 --> 2:00:46.560 I'm sunny. Yeah, no, he from Haiti from he from Haiti. 2:00:46.600 --> 2:00:49.040 But they don't accept him in Haiti either, right, they 2:00:49.040 --> 2:00:51.680 don't want him at Big Up to Haiti. They kick 2:00:51.800 --> 2:00:55.760 him out of Haiti, but guys hit the whole world 2:00:55.840 --> 2:00:58.880 still man that Haiti? Right, Yeah, it's big up to 2:00:58.960 --> 2:01:04.720 Haiti anyway, Pop Alliance, the chairman caress one up in 2:01:04.800 --> 2:01:08.960 the brasses mc light Curtis blow founded it as could 2:01:08.960 --> 2:01:11.280 I be down. But it's not especially this problem. But 2:01:11.400 --> 2:01:13.840 it's not about like who's at the topic, because now 2:01:14.000 --> 2:01:17.200 it's like the more the better, And you have to 2:01:17.280 --> 2:01:22.240 have people who are concerned about the infrastructure of artists 2:01:23.120 --> 2:01:26.280 who've been in the business a long time, never understood, 2:01:26.720 --> 2:01:31.120 you know, like Okay, I recorded fifteen years ago, twenty 2:01:31.200 --> 2:01:33.160 years ago, Like what does that mean? They got their 2:01:33.240 --> 2:01:35.440 kids grown up? They have no idea what their dad 2:01:35.520 --> 2:01:38.080 even did or better yet, like, how do we it's 2:01:38.120 --> 2:01:40.360 a legacy to be passed down, how do we go 2:01:40.480 --> 2:01:43.440 after it? Who do we go to? Uh? My dad 2:01:43.520 --> 2:01:47.040 did bars, But what does that mean? There's something for everybody, 2:01:47.120 --> 2:01:49.320 trust me. If you don't go get it, somebody gonna 2:01:49.360 --> 2:01:51.160 go get it. Oh yeah, but he only did a 2:01:51.480 --> 2:01:55.320 guest collabor on a feature like nineteen ninety five. You 2:01:55.360 --> 2:01:57.120 don't think somebody is on the tail end of that. 2:01:57.840 --> 2:01:59.960 So the young you know, now I wouldn't just say 2:02:00.040 --> 2:02:02.760 young because that's subjective to man, what is what is young? Man? 2:02:02.840 --> 2:02:09.680 But our people are are or in the business without 2:02:09.800 --> 2:02:13.400 understanding of what this whole business is, which means that 2:02:13.600 --> 2:02:16.920 you have to have people that come along that that 2:02:17.240 --> 2:02:21.760 even aligned by your family or some organization that lets 2:02:21.800 --> 2:02:23.640 you know what what is you know? And that's what 2:02:23.920 --> 2:02:28.520 I think the Hip Hop Alliance UM can do. Number one, 2:02:28.720 --> 2:02:32.840 Really it's in partnership with sag after right, which all 2:02:32.840 --> 2:02:36.800 the time was a perfect that's the biggest play. But 2:02:36.800 --> 2:02:42.000 because Curtis Blow, you know, because is that for actors, right, 2:02:43.240 --> 2:02:48.040 provides that same type actors anybody in because me and 2:02:48.120 --> 2:02:50.600 if I don't know, if I don't know how much 2:02:52.240 --> 2:02:54.840 if it's always been pushing this hip Hop Union because 2:02:55.240 --> 2:02:59.040 I feel like anybody I know how hard it is 2:02:59.080 --> 2:03:02.640 to be famous. It's the worst job in the world, right, 2:03:03.000 --> 2:03:06.440 because you can never take off your mask, Like I 2:03:06.480 --> 2:03:08.920 don't give a fuck how many times I could do, 2:03:09.400 --> 2:03:11.520 Like if you could check into McDonald's, you could check 2:03:11.560 --> 2:03:14.800 into construction. Once you take your vest off, you're all. 2:03:15.320 --> 2:03:18.280 I'm never off. None of us is never think about 2:03:18.360 --> 2:03:23.040 doing no crime shit ever, So before cameras don't think 2:03:23.080 --> 2:03:25.520 about like, yo, man, I could do the dirty dirty 2:03:25.600 --> 2:03:28.280 or whatever. It's like, yeah, okay, all right, you know 2:03:28.560 --> 2:03:31.280 you got the ID. Everybody's trying to fucking get right. 2:03:31.360 --> 2:03:34.160 So I say I say this to say I always 2:03:34.200 --> 2:03:35.840 felt like it should have been a hip hop union 2:03:36.280 --> 2:03:40.480 for us and and and especially people. And I get it, 2:03:40.600 --> 2:03:43.520 like sometimes you say, well, what if the person didn't 2:03:43.520 --> 2:03:46.160 make it, What if the person didn't go platinum? What 2:03:46.200 --> 2:03:48.960 if the person didn't didn't go go It's even more 2:03:49.080 --> 2:03:52.920 we should take because they had to endure the looks 2:03:53.160 --> 2:03:56.880 of being shown and saying okay, this guy was a 2:03:57.000 --> 2:03:59.920 rapper and he didn't make it, like or even work. 2:04:00.160 --> 2:04:03.640 The one hit wonders, right, the guys that have one hit, 2:04:04.080 --> 2:04:09.800 all the participants, I mean, I mean girls like I 2:04:09.880 --> 2:04:11.400 feel like we should take care of them. I feel 2:04:11.400 --> 2:04:13.560 like it needs to be the home community. I feel 2:04:13.560 --> 2:04:15.760 like I feel like I feel like this is me personally. 2:04:16.440 --> 2:04:22.600 If you are participating in something that makes you famous 2:04:22.920 --> 2:04:26.000 and it doesn't actually work for you, I feel like 2:04:26.240 --> 2:04:30.360 we should are. It's in us to take care of that. 2:04:30.760 --> 2:04:33.840 It's in us to say this is inhumane right here, 2:04:34.200 --> 2:04:37.560 because it's so hard to be famous. Man, it's so terrible, 2:04:37.680 --> 2:04:41.360 like like you can't go to CDs. I don't want 2:04:41.400 --> 2:04:42.680 to go to CVS, but I want to get in 2:04:42.760 --> 2:04:46.160 carbone early. So so yeah, so what's up? You look 2:04:46.200 --> 2:04:54.120 at younger? Shit? You fucking this mother? But I feel 2:04:54.160 --> 2:04:56.120 like the Hip Hop Union, by the way, we want 2:04:56.120 --> 2:04:59.880 to sup We gotta support it. We gotta support whether 2:05:00.480 --> 2:05:02.360 just for people seeking fan because there's a lot of 2:05:02.360 --> 2:05:05.120 people behind the scenes that are not seeking. I also 2:05:05.360 --> 2:05:07.560 deserve to be taken. That's what the hip hoper Lines 2:05:07.640 --> 2:05:10.160 has done very clearly. It's not based on again with 2:05:10.640 --> 2:05:15.200 the faces that draw it in, but you need infrastructure people. 2:05:15.720 --> 2:05:19.240 This show is built out of also infrastructure, people that 2:05:19.400 --> 2:05:22.000 make it click and make it work. The masses out there. 2:05:22.120 --> 2:05:25.520 Sometimes we confuse confuse, like when it comes down to us, 2:05:25.760 --> 2:05:27.720 they just say the masses they just moved the m over. 2:05:28.280 --> 2:05:31.480 They consider our masses them asses and thinking that we 2:05:31.560 --> 2:05:36.320 ain't masters the masses. They just moved the m over 2:05:37.160 --> 2:05:42.320 to them. At I got bars that passed people like 2:05:42.440 --> 2:05:46.640 taxi cabs eighty six. Let me also ask you you 2:05:46.880 --> 2:05:52.200 sued Universal. I've sued and been sued man. Matter of fact, 2:05:52.240 --> 2:05:55.480 it's so many damn I mean in that world. The 2:05:55.600 --> 2:05:59.360 average person has no fucking idea how many times that 2:05:59.560 --> 2:06:03.400 you're it's it's a gunfight. No, but universal? Okay, which 2:06:03.440 --> 2:06:06.280 which which lawsuit was? Because I believe did you sued 2:06:06.360 --> 2:06:11.160 on behalf of hip hop? Yeah? I've been perfect class, 2:06:11.640 --> 2:06:15.640 so okay in my contract, let me relate it to me. Right, 2:06:16.000 --> 2:06:20.600 you've read every page. Never, That's what I'm saying. Let 2:06:20.640 --> 2:06:23.680 me tell you this. When when the average person says, well, 2:06:23.760 --> 2:06:26.280 how come you rappers and read the contract? I said, 2:06:26.320 --> 2:06:30.160 you did the same when you accept on yes, you 2:06:30.240 --> 2:06:34.879 bought a car or whatever, like I just accepted. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 2:06:35.520 --> 2:06:39.560 I'm just sorry. Get lawyers if we feel that this 2:06:39.840 --> 2:06:44.040 person we can trust. But yo, man, it's it's it's 2:06:44.080 --> 2:06:46.040 such a thick business. And then you got a contract 2:06:46.080 --> 2:06:48.280 that's like this. And somebody told me, he said, the 2:06:48.360 --> 2:06:51.040 reason that contracts are like this because every single page 2:06:51.120 --> 2:06:59.120 is a fucking lawsuit, right, fuck with children? Yeah, I 2:06:59.400 --> 2:07:03.000 never when your penalty records. Yes, So when I went 2:07:03.200 --> 2:07:06.360 back and I looked at it, nothing digital says anything 2:07:06.480 --> 2:07:09.480 digital about They didn't have any digital rights. There was 2:07:09.520 --> 2:07:12.240 no digit first one that says what. I don't remember. 2:07:12.280 --> 2:07:16.240 I just wanted the money we all do it perpetuity 2:07:16.320 --> 2:07:23.600 in the universe territory. It's the world and what the universe? 2:07:24.720 --> 2:07:30.200 How the fuck? Which is the universe? Fucking up? Tuning shit? 2:07:31.000 --> 2:07:32.920 You know they side they're taking your records that you 2:07:32.960 --> 2:07:36.400 put out in Mars. Big up, big up to jay 2:07:36.520 --> 2:07:39.400 Z because jay Z is like our Jupiter. And the 2:07:39.480 --> 2:07:41.600 reason I say Jupiter, it's like, you know, if you 2:07:41.680 --> 2:07:45.960 study the Solar System, Jupiter absorbs all the asteroids, all 2:07:46.000 --> 2:07:48.840 the collisions that would destroy Earth. They don't go because 2:07:48.920 --> 2:07:51.880 he's He's big enough to absorb and protect the Solar 2:07:51.960 --> 2:07:55.680 System with his magnitude, which allows us to fucking do anything. 2:07:56.160 --> 2:08:05.000 God damn, God damn pick up the jay Z. I mean, 2:08:05.040 --> 2:08:07.880 I'm gonna people say no, no, no, that It's like shit, man, 2:08:08.360 --> 2:08:12.840 He's gonna absorb all that shit. Ain't no asteroid hitting me. Wow. 2:08:12.920 --> 2:08:16.240 So that's what I'm said. With fame, famous, a fake construct, 2:08:16.320 --> 2:08:18.360 there's a famous, a four letter word. I chose to 2:08:18.400 --> 2:08:20.360 tell people. I said, listen, I got a second story. 2:08:21.120 --> 2:08:23.320 I got a second story office in the world of 2:08:23.440 --> 2:08:25.360 the entertainment business where I always could go to the 2:08:25.440 --> 2:08:27.560 penhouse whenever I want to. But I choose to stay 2:08:27.600 --> 2:08:29.640 on the second floor because you could walk up the 2:08:29.680 --> 2:08:33.800 staircase before you catch the speed elevator. Now talk to 2:08:33.920 --> 2:08:36.960 me before you going up there. Sometimes it castle. I'll 2:08:37.000 --> 2:08:38.560 take the speed on the elevator up and then they'll 2:08:38.600 --> 2:08:40.320 see me. I said, I'm gonna go back to the 2:08:40.400 --> 2:08:42.560 second floor, But the speed elevator doesn't go to the 2:08:42.600 --> 2:08:45.360 second floor, goes straight down to the basement, maybe even 2:08:45.400 --> 2:08:48.000 the crash landing. See me before you go up, because 2:08:48.000 --> 2:08:50.360 it tells you how to handle the world. A fucking fame, 2:08:50.480 --> 2:08:54.640 which is a four leather word that is synonymous with 2:08:55.760 --> 2:09:00.240 fade because because it's a false construct, fame has a 2:09:00.320 --> 2:09:05.840 tennessee to fade. It's not it's a false construct. It's 2:09:05.880 --> 2:09:09.920 not really real, and that means it's another four letter 2:09:10.040 --> 2:09:16.160 f word, f A K E. Fame might fade and 2:09:16.480 --> 2:09:19.080 it's faked. And if you don't believe that, you're fucked. 2:09:20.760 --> 2:09:23.680 See me on the second floor. Because I get up 2:09:23.680 --> 2:09:26.080 to the get up to the penthouse whenever I want, 2:09:26.080 --> 2:09:28.720 I don't stay there. I mean I'll be like, who 2:09:28.920 --> 2:09:30.920 you know, man, I'll go back right back down to 2:09:30.920 --> 2:09:33.480 the second floor. That's where I'm comfortable at. But cats 2:09:33.520 --> 2:09:36.680 see me on the way up and there their rise 2:09:36.760 --> 2:09:39.640 and their levels to wherever they gotta be. I applore that. 2:09:40.240 --> 2:09:43.280 I just say, enjoy it, man, I mean, come on, man, 2:09:43.360 --> 2:09:48.800 I mean enjoy enjoy the process of dancing with fame 2:09:49.080 --> 2:09:52.000 because you're better than fame. Fame is a construct and 2:09:52.120 --> 2:09:55.520 you do real art. You're a real thing, so it's 2:09:55.560 --> 2:09:58.800 something that you do. And I think eight listen Man 2:09:59.320 --> 2:10:01.800 sixty two is from six going my sixty thirty. Yeah, 2:10:01.800 --> 2:10:09.040 I'm it's good to be fucking me. No, I don't 2:10:09.080 --> 2:10:10.840 want to be bigger. I don't want to be I 2:10:10.920 --> 2:10:12.520 want to be better always, but I don't want to 2:10:12.560 --> 2:10:14.440 be bigger. I just want to just be me and 2:10:14.640 --> 2:10:17.920 and and be able to continue to help. And when 2:10:17.920 --> 2:10:21.880 I see my man and and and other people my my, my, 2:10:22.280 --> 2:10:24.560 my fam and the group and all that, and they 2:10:24.680 --> 2:10:27.760 have things and they're able to do things, and people 2:10:27.800 --> 2:10:29.640 that work with me, like the Sea Doctor under my 2:10:29.720 --> 2:10:32.760 record label, you know, a flat line and the rap station. 2:10:32.840 --> 2:10:35.440 We just came out with um the Bring the Noise app, 2:10:35.520 --> 2:10:39.880 which is cultural media. It's not social media's culture media. 2:10:40.000 --> 2:10:42.040 So it's the first app and it easy to make 2:10:42.080 --> 2:10:45.680 it Twitter and it ain't no no stay everybody can 2:10:45.720 --> 2:10:49.720 stay at Twitter. They can stay you stay Twitter whatever. 2:10:50.280 --> 2:10:52.200 And it's a funny thing. It's like, you know, back 2:10:52.240 --> 2:10:54.280 in the day, you know, I would have somebody say, well, 2:10:54.400 --> 2:10:56.120 we'll watch it, chucky, you know them people like that. 2:10:56.200 --> 2:10:58.440 I was like the fact, I don't every guy trust 2:10:58.520 --> 2:11:01.560 these things like they know, people like Elon Muskas, Zucker 2:11:01.600 --> 2:11:04.080 Burnley give a fuck. So with me, I'm like, I'm 2:11:04.120 --> 2:11:06.440 not telling people to come along. This is just gonna 2:11:06.480 --> 2:11:10.440 be there. And it's about sam, It's about film, art, music, 2:11:10.600 --> 2:11:12.480 and if you want to put your thing there, will 2:11:12.520 --> 2:11:15.680 co exist. Small little piece of real estate. Won't try 2:11:15.720 --> 2:11:20.040 to be social media, which sometimes you know, like scar 2:11:20.160 --> 2:11:25.320 face pick up the Brad Jordan's scarface. Yeah, he says. Man, 2:11:25.440 --> 2:11:28.440 you know, Chuck Man, you know shit is a sandbox. Man, 2:11:28.560 --> 2:11:30.600 you can't have the strip pole in the sandbox. And 2:11:31.040 --> 2:11:37.520 you told me that. You say, yeah, it's a great idea. Though, okay, 2:11:37.640 --> 2:11:40.880 we'll keep that to yourself. That thinks Dixons and a 2:11:40.880 --> 2:11:42.880 whole other things. It's just like, you know, the poll 2:11:42.960 --> 2:11:46.080 is a good thing, but the sandbox is where kids 2:11:46.160 --> 2:11:55.080 play that part oh you forgot that? Everywhere everywhere today, man, 2:11:55.240 --> 2:11:57.920 It's like it's to me, it's like everybody got the 2:11:58.120 --> 2:12:02.000 listen this ten generations. Man, there ain't no reason why 2:12:02.280 --> 2:12:04.240 fifteen year old ship try to appeal to a twenty 2:12:04.280 --> 2:12:06.960 year old, right, no reason, not not really. I mean, 2:12:07.480 --> 2:12:09.760 if if all forty year old appeal to a twenty 2:12:09.840 --> 2:12:12.280 year old, just be yourself, they come. Cool if they 2:12:12.360 --> 2:12:15.200 don't come. But in social media catches up in a 2:12:17.120 --> 2:12:23.320 they're competing against each other. It's nope, just be who 2:12:23.360 --> 2:12:27.640 you all grow gracefully, embrace aging as opposed you know. 2:12:27.720 --> 2:12:31.360 I mean, death is a real thing. Man. Twitter, now 2:12:31.440 --> 2:12:33.200 I'm in with black Twitter came along. I was like, 2:12:33.640 --> 2:12:36.960 I did you know? And no, no offense because if 2:12:37.000 --> 2:12:38.480 they all come at me a black Twitter, I ain't 2:12:38.480 --> 2:12:43.200 read it anywhere. I'm just saying that Twitter up, Well, 2:12:43.240 --> 2:12:46.919 I don't listen. Listen, we gotta watch these other platforms 2:12:46.920 --> 2:12:50.320 because somehow the platforms, it's like other people are on 2:12:50.440 --> 2:12:54.040 the platform and I'm like, that's like motherfucker's throwing cotton 2:12:54.080 --> 2:12:57.160 each other each other on the fucking plantation. Like you know, 2:12:57.240 --> 2:12:59.640 I'm on that person plantation and now I'm on that 2:12:59.720 --> 2:13:03.040 place the plantation cotton. I built my own platform, and 2:13:03.160 --> 2:13:05.600 I'm like it's whatever. I won't stick to the culture. 2:13:05.680 --> 2:13:10.160 But you know, I mean plantation was a social media man. No, 2:13:10.360 --> 2:13:12.320 we don't need it. Yeah, oh yeah, matter of fact. 2:13:12.400 --> 2:13:15.400 Open So I'll answer you a question. And like I said, 2:13:15.400 --> 2:13:18.080 we're family now. So we've been found white media. Yeah, 2:13:18.120 --> 2:13:20.280 white media. Okay, shit, we didn't know we're going there 2:13:28.440 --> 2:13:30.920 when I did the PBS series. Big up the PBS 2:13:31.000 --> 2:13:34.680 and the BBC commendation. Obviously, I have a long read 2:13:34.760 --> 2:13:37.080 out of obligation. So it wasn't like I was ducky 2:13:37.160 --> 2:13:40.040 or we were circling. Don't work. Listen, you don't have 2:13:40.080 --> 2:13:46.000 to explain it at all the way for your present whenever, listen, 2:13:47.080 --> 2:13:50.120 white involvement everywhere in here, y'all. Was a little mad 2:13:50.160 --> 2:13:51.720 at you. I see you doing the white media. I 2:13:51.800 --> 2:13:54.880 was like, well, what's he doing? Come, come, come home, 2:13:55.160 --> 2:14:02.320 come home, come. I was very pleased, but I can't. 2:14:02.760 --> 2:14:05.720 And I saw the neighborhood. I said, well, at least 2:14:05.760 --> 2:14:08.920 this ship is in the neighbor that I recall a 2:14:09.120 --> 2:14:13.320 matter of fact, down in Miami, right I committed where 2:14:13.320 --> 2:14:16.800 we are right down in Miami. I remember they even 2:14:17.120 --> 2:14:20.080 built Miami Arena in the hood, and said we can't 2:14:20.120 --> 2:14:22.600 have this ship here no more, and they fucking tore 2:14:22.680 --> 2:14:25.520 down That's where one of those sources of words happened 2:14:25.520 --> 2:14:27.120 in old I was like, why would they do that? 2:14:27.200 --> 2:14:29.120 They said, you know what, we can't have our fucking arena. 2:14:29.200 --> 2:14:31.240 Then I said, that's the first place that well, not 2:14:31.320 --> 2:14:34.760 the first places we played, but the first arena arena 2:14:34.840 --> 2:14:37.560 that we played down here where the Heat first. So 2:14:38.040 --> 2:14:45.040 they don't arena. That's how they are, that's who they are. 2:14:46.560 --> 2:14:49.840 Tell us tell us just too highly on you. So 2:14:50.040 --> 2:14:55.760 tell us dj E, tell us dj e, what happened 2:14:55.760 --> 2:14:57.800 with that? They just I don't know if that's to me. 2:14:57.880 --> 2:15:00.320 I don't know, because now we don't know that. Nobody 2:15:00.320 --> 2:15:04.920 know that you movie the Miami was an old time. No, 2:15:05.320 --> 2:15:09.680 he's talking about the old that was overtown and can 2:15:09.720 --> 2:15:12.720 you passed up shopping because they built up something talking 2:15:12.800 --> 2:15:17.160 about the Miami Arena where the Heat first played. Yeah, 2:15:18.320 --> 2:15:21.520 radio right right there right, Robbie Cyclly, I want the 2:15:21.680 --> 2:15:25.520 Ronnie Cyclly, Yeah, Miami. I think it just became a 2:15:25.560 --> 2:15:27.160 money thing to build a new one, so they had 2:15:27.200 --> 2:15:28.560 to tear it down the old one. That's what I think. 2:15:28.760 --> 2:15:32.360 Something somebody there, you know, I live in Miami our 2:15:32.440 --> 2:15:37.240 local pretty so yeah, he's now. I thought the New 2:15:37.320 --> 2:15:39.240 York was the Foules conrupt his place in the world. 2:15:39.360 --> 2:15:42.440 I was our local government is Miami is paid to 2:15:42.480 --> 2:15:44.720 get on probation out here. This is real, This is 2:15:44.800 --> 2:15:48.560 real alferation. But so we noticed, we noticed. We noticed 2:15:48.600 --> 2:15:51.840 back in the day because Luke had so much power here, 2:15:51.920 --> 2:15:57.000 they hated every every move that Luke would make. And 2:15:58.120 --> 2:16:00.600 Luke was also hip hop. He was in everything. Man, 2:16:00.960 --> 2:16:04.160 he's a pioneer and everything. And I said, damn it. 2:16:04.280 --> 2:16:07.080 But Luke, you know, still made changes. He helps sports 2:16:07.160 --> 2:16:09.760 teams out and he's the person to go to and 2:16:09.840 --> 2:16:14.560 get it by. So yeah, but before we get up 2:16:14.560 --> 2:16:18.120 out here, I need I wouldn't keep it sealed, No, 2:16:18.360 --> 2:16:21.400 man open a couple of days. Look, look, I got 2:16:21.480 --> 2:16:23.560 this ship coming out a lot, and I mean, I'm 2:16:23.560 --> 2:16:26.920 not here to sell ship or the place. People's asked 2:16:26.960 --> 2:16:29.360 with the past and shit like that. But this is 2:16:29.440 --> 2:16:31.520 one of my pride. But I got to talk about 2:16:31.560 --> 2:16:34.360 that because that's what I gave y'all. It's my first 2:16:34.640 --> 2:16:38.840 art art book, and yeah, it's my fine arts book. 2:16:38.879 --> 2:16:41.200 And so I ain't got to read. No, you ain't 2:16:41.200 --> 2:16:45.440 got read. Look at the pictures drawing it. I got it. 2:16:45.560 --> 2:16:50.400 Market shit, I'm reading a little bit. Let take it 2:16:50.959 --> 2:16:53.720 a little bit. And and this is, um, I'm just 2:16:53.720 --> 2:16:56.240 passed around. I gotta take this back. That shit is 2:16:56.480 --> 2:16:58.600 have you some motherfucker? Yeah, man, I could throw that 2:16:58.640 --> 2:17:02.640 shit and that hurt somebody. But those are my naphet grovels. 2:17:03.600 --> 2:17:05.840 And what I was able to do we all my 2:17:06.000 --> 2:17:08.960 years and hotel roo especially a prophets arranged is that 2:17:10.400 --> 2:17:14.680 you got a hotel time, hotel time, man downtime. It's 2:17:14.680 --> 2:17:17.480 like and I and and uh, when when my dad 2:17:17.520 --> 2:17:22.320 passed the twenty sixteen, um, I thought that, uh, you know, 2:17:22.520 --> 2:17:26.560 I'm getting back in my full time. My downtown was 2:17:26.680 --> 2:17:29.720 the best therapy in the world. And then um, I 2:17:29.840 --> 2:17:33.640 did Awaska? You did you do drugs at the other 2:17:33.680 --> 2:17:43.119 times I've always wanted to do. DMT is a drug? 2:17:43.959 --> 2:17:48.000 All right. Also listen, listen, I'm educated from the best 2:17:48.080 --> 2:17:50.039 sense say a person you ever having. That's a great 2:17:50.080 --> 2:17:57.040 be real in Cypress Hill. All right. So but um yeah, 2:17:57.280 --> 2:18:00.400 DMT is when when my dad passed, as you know, 2:18:00.560 --> 2:18:02.160 I'm not hearing all that. Oh he's in a better 2:18:02.240 --> 2:18:04.560 place and all that than whatever I said. You know 2:18:04.640 --> 2:18:08.320 what I feel that I need to know where this 2:18:08.480 --> 2:18:12.320 spirit you know, is that? And sure enough my polates 2:18:12.360 --> 2:18:16.680 coach big up to kl she's part of a community. 2:18:17.600 --> 2:18:27.320 Um people who did introduced you to? It was? It was, 2:18:28.920 --> 2:18:33.880 it was going around, right, and then the conversation, the 2:18:34.040 --> 2:18:39.560 conversation was going around. And at the same time, Timmy, 2:18:39.840 --> 2:18:42.840 who's the bass player and raged against the machine. He 2:18:42.959 --> 2:18:46.240 does everything. And Timmy was telling me about, you know, 2:18:46.879 --> 2:18:49.680 his trip but doing DMT and he said, you know, 2:18:49.760 --> 2:18:52.800 like cats do mushrooms. It's like you see, you know, 2:18:53.680 --> 2:18:55.800 elephant and you shake your head. You don't see the 2:18:55.840 --> 2:18:58.920 fucking elephant. He said when he did DMT one time, 2:18:59.400 --> 2:19:01.840 you see the elephant, shake your head. And now, motherfuck yeah, 2:19:01.840 --> 2:19:06.320 I'm the fucking elephant. I'm like, I said, Timmy's coming 2:19:06.360 --> 2:19:09.640 from the greatest rock bass player on the planet where 2:19:09.680 --> 2:19:13.160 he tells a fucking story. His stories is just like 2:19:13.879 --> 2:19:16.800 you lean in so far, it's like what the fuck 2:19:16.840 --> 2:19:19.320 are you a nuts? But you're like wow. So he 2:19:19.440 --> 2:19:22.040 told me this and I was like whatever. And then 2:19:22.120 --> 2:19:27.000 when my polates coach said, she's the part of a community. Remember, 2:19:27.080 --> 2:19:31.560 Iawaska is the sacrament, it's the spiritual sacrament of the 2:19:31.760 --> 2:19:36.800 of the journey. Yeah, so I was like, so anyway, 2:19:37.600 --> 2:19:40.879 I was like, man, you know I'm gonna I'm gonna 2:19:40.920 --> 2:19:43.360 do it. She's gonna cut the shaman. I know it's 2:19:43.360 --> 2:19:46.240 gonna come into my house. My daughter's funny. She's like 2:19:46.360 --> 2:19:52.760 dirty smoke weed first. So I'm like, you know what, 2:19:54.000 --> 2:19:57.879 I need to know where where when my dad's at 2:19:58.080 --> 2:19:59.640 You know what I'm saying, because I feel he's at 2:20:00.120 --> 2:20:03.480 you know what a nobody giving me no answers that 2:20:03.680 --> 2:20:05.920 I need to know right now. I mean, he talked 2:20:05.920 --> 2:20:09.240 to a man fifty five years and all of a sudden, boom, 2:20:09.360 --> 2:20:12.800 the silence. It's like, yeah, you know, and my dad 2:20:12.920 --> 2:20:15.600 like said my dad. My mom is like, people tell 2:20:15.640 --> 2:20:17.560 me about heroes out there. I say, well, everybody's a 2:20:17.600 --> 2:20:20.600 stepped down from them too. It's like good shit. Then 2:20:20.600 --> 2:20:23.600 you know when Cats were saying your chuck your pops, man, 2:20:23.840 --> 2:20:26.080 you know when Cats is a hundred, your your pops 2:20:26.240 --> 2:20:28.320 is a thousand, I'm like you damn right. He's like 2:20:28.800 --> 2:20:32.640 that dude was amazing. So anyway, I'm gonna know where 2:20:32.680 --> 2:20:36.640 his spirit was. So sure enough, the shaman who always 2:20:36.680 --> 2:20:39.560 go back and forth to Peru. Remember it's like pug, yeah, 2:20:42.320 --> 2:20:44.640 there you go, there you go, and he already knows 2:20:44.680 --> 2:20:48.240 to travel. So she came into the crib and I 2:20:48.400 --> 2:20:51.800 felt when it was administered through chocolate, it's illegal in 2:20:51.840 --> 2:20:54.560 the country and all. But at the same time, you know, 2:20:54.640 --> 2:20:56.600 you're going through enzymes, you're going through all kinds of 2:20:56.680 --> 2:20:58.840 training and the padding of the chest. I was as 2:20:58.879 --> 2:21:01.720 funny as a motherfucker, you know. The room started defending 2:21:01.800 --> 2:21:05.280 all that. But I felt, for a split second I 2:21:05.440 --> 2:21:08.560 had this communication. I was good. It was like, fine, 2:21:09.280 --> 2:21:11.480 I'd have to do it twice. I felt for a 2:21:11.560 --> 2:21:15.280 split second I was communicating with your father. Yeah, man, 2:21:15.360 --> 2:21:17.120 for real, I mean like like like and it was 2:21:17.200 --> 2:21:21.480 like kind of like three quarters through. So so let 2:21:21.600 --> 2:21:23.840 let listen. A year later, I know this is just 2:21:23.840 --> 2:21:28.160 a short sorry. A year later, I was like, you know, 2:21:28.879 --> 2:21:32.360 I did it, already got my answer. But a community came. 2:21:33.959 --> 2:21:35.879 It's like, well, you want to come to the community, 2:21:36.000 --> 2:21:39.120 to to my house, you know, and and actually you know, 2:21:39.600 --> 2:21:43.040 revisited with a community and see, like I don't know. 2:21:43.120 --> 2:21:45.400 I was like, I got my answer, you know, I 2:21:45.440 --> 2:21:47.960 ain't got to do I watch it again. But then 2:21:48.000 --> 2:21:52.920 I said, okay, cool, I'm gonna try something. Well, I 2:21:52.959 --> 2:21:56.440 went to the community, I mean too a house. About 2:21:56.480 --> 2:22:02.400 ten to fifteen people were there, seem shaman, and I 2:22:02.560 --> 2:22:04.360 was sitting there. I was like, okay, okay, all right, 2:22:04.400 --> 2:22:07.000 we got a group of people, so I asked her. 2:22:07.040 --> 2:22:10.360 I said, give me a ream of paper, a bunch 2:22:10.400 --> 2:22:15.120 of markets. So I sat in one spot in her 2:22:15.200 --> 2:22:19.640 living room. And then of course our wasaka was administered 2:22:19.760 --> 2:22:24.000 and the sacrament and all that, and sure enough, yo, 2:22:24.840 --> 2:22:30.959 I went through eighty five illustrations right in four hours. 2:22:32.040 --> 2:22:35.240 But the crazy thing was, right, I was drawing shit 2:22:35.320 --> 2:22:39.640 out of every wrap you know, computed memory ship, and 2:22:40.120 --> 2:22:43.960 I was drawing with a style that you know when 2:22:44.000 --> 2:22:46.000 you draw a paint or whatever. A lot of people 2:22:46.040 --> 2:22:48.920 do the exterior and then they go in. This ship. 2:22:49.080 --> 2:22:52.800 Was the energy on informed the exterior. So I was 2:22:52.879 --> 2:22:54.840 going like this and not even looking down at it. Right. 2:22:55.600 --> 2:22:58.240 So the thing is when I stopped doing it, but 2:22:58.400 --> 2:23:00.480 then the room started to bend and shit like that. 2:23:00.640 --> 2:23:03.400 Right when I started again, the room as clear as 2:23:03.400 --> 2:23:06.040 I'm speaking to y'all right now, so I'm gonna just 2:23:06.360 --> 2:23:09.840 eighty five illustrations, right, came up out of that ship. 2:23:10.640 --> 2:23:17.920 So after you know, you descended, I'm like, cool, but 2:23:18.200 --> 2:23:23.280 my hands were doing this. Now. Remember I told you 2:23:23.360 --> 2:23:26.320 earlier I believe everything and nothing to fuck at all. 2:23:27.240 --> 2:23:29.920 Some things ain't meant for us to process and understand 2:23:29.959 --> 2:23:33.360 why and what. I got my answer the first time 2:23:33.680 --> 2:23:36.320 and the second time I said, well, it doesn't mean like, okay, 2:23:36.480 --> 2:23:39.760 I need to get ideas to fucking go and do 2:23:40.680 --> 2:23:42.600 high washker So I could go into that zone and 2:23:42.640 --> 2:23:44.920 get idea and I don't need that. Well, I was told, 2:23:45.080 --> 2:23:46.840 is that because I am my artists and this is 2:23:46.840 --> 2:23:49.080 an important thing for artists, and this is why we're 2:23:49.120 --> 2:23:50.800 in the war of art instead of all the war. 2:23:51.640 --> 2:23:55.240 We already have the ability to go and descend and 2:23:55.320 --> 2:23:59.320 descend inside ourselves on an elevator of creativity. We're pregnant 2:23:59.360 --> 2:24:02.840 with ideas. Everybody has art in them, not everybody can 2:24:02.920 --> 2:24:05.760 get art out of them. So it's a real opportunity 2:24:05.800 --> 2:24:08.720 when you have people create. And I'm gonna creative furnace. 2:24:09.280 --> 2:24:13.000 Ever since that time, I've done thirty thousand illustrations. Yeah, 2:24:13.040 --> 2:24:15.000 I got Downtown. What the fuck else I'm gonna do? 2:24:15.000 --> 2:24:17.000 Bom bom boom by. I'm very fast because I worked 2:24:17.040 --> 2:24:21.879 at courtyards. Um not court, your courtroom speed and courtroom speeds. 2:24:21.920 --> 2:24:24.680 Back in the day, you have an illustrator and and 2:24:24.840 --> 2:24:26.840 fucking I gotta do this ship and get to the 2:24:26.920 --> 2:24:28.800 news station. Well, now you know, cats can do their 2:24:28.800 --> 2:24:31.840 shape and fucking email or zippet to somebody. But back 2:24:31.920 --> 2:24:35.080 then cats used to have the boom, go in the courtroom, 2:24:35.440 --> 2:24:38.560 sketch out the courtroom, and get to the fucking courier, 2:24:38.920 --> 2:24:41.280 get that ship to the TV station, get that shit 2:24:41.400 --> 2:24:43.480 in there at six twenty and shit like that. So 2:24:43.600 --> 2:24:46.560 you have to be a fast illustrator. So that's what 2:24:46.760 --> 2:24:49.400 these these books have come out. And these are early 2:24:49.520 --> 2:24:52.400 works where where you know, and I didn't mean to 2:24:52.440 --> 2:24:53.840 cut you off before, I just wanted to get to it. 2:24:53.959 --> 2:24:57.039 Just as a matter, I've always been asked, oh man, 2:24:57.120 --> 2:25:01.160 how could I get this? Because social media really allowed 2:25:01.280 --> 2:25:03.440 out to come out. Back in the day, if somebody 2:25:03.520 --> 2:25:05.640 was an artist, you'd be like like, yo, man, come 2:25:05.680 --> 2:25:09.040 to my gallery. Yeah yeah, I like going to the 2:25:09.200 --> 2:25:12.000 art show. The social media is like, go, I'm gonna 2:25:12.040 --> 2:25:14.720 put some ship up. Damn wow. And then that shit 2:25:14.840 --> 2:25:16.360 led to like, well how could I get this ship? 2:25:16.440 --> 2:25:18.880 Do you? Prince? I know? Not just put download this shit. 2:25:18.920 --> 2:25:22.000 I don't do, and it just got bigger and bigger 2:25:22.160 --> 2:25:25.040 and bigger, and then people like, why don't you do books? 2:25:25.080 --> 2:25:27.800 Come on do books and pop up and that's how 2:25:27.920 --> 2:25:29.920 that led to that. I mean, so everything in this 2:25:30.080 --> 2:25:33.680 business I never sought out to do, from the Deaf 2:25:33.800 --> 2:25:36.840 Championship to the Prophets of Rage to art books, they 2:25:37.080 --> 2:25:39.680 always been a demand that dragged me in it. The 2:25:39.800 --> 2:25:42.800 shit I like to do is unattractive ship, you know, 2:25:43.080 --> 2:25:45.240 the ship that people wind up wanting me to do. 2:25:45.400 --> 2:25:47.959 It's the ship that that like, oh man, we will 2:25:48.040 --> 2:25:50.320 make that shit something. It would have been crazy that 2:25:50.760 --> 2:25:53.160 if people to put Awak on his list, you know, 2:25:55.640 --> 2:25:58.600 because a writer like that's the most the most famous, 2:25:58.879 --> 2:26:01.960 um my most part of the show is when I asked, 2:26:02.280 --> 2:26:03.959 you know, the artists, what do they want to drink? 2:26:04.040 --> 2:26:06.120 What do they want to have? And like like on 2:26:06.240 --> 2:26:10.680 the list, if if you would have put out and 2:26:10.720 --> 2:26:14.959 we watch a certain you got to bring the shot man, yea, 2:26:15.080 --> 2:26:20.600 we remember, you know. And and and every ritue, you 2:26:20.640 --> 2:26:23.200 guys have a ritual where it takes you. It takes 2:26:23.240 --> 2:26:25.040 you to the place that any result, it's like you're 2:26:25.080 --> 2:26:27.600 having a good time, you open up. You know. I 2:26:27.760 --> 2:26:30.800 had never been a person and you know where we 2:26:30.879 --> 2:26:33.840 come from. We're like listen, man, I mean, anybody could 2:26:33.879 --> 2:26:38.760 do anything. The crack epidemic was a problem because I 2:26:38.840 --> 2:26:41.240 mean there's a lot of problems with addiction on drugs 2:26:41.280 --> 2:26:43.440 that are forcing in the neighborhood. Because like back in 2:26:43.520 --> 2:26:47.520 the day Boom, we remember, we're doing We're doing parties 2:26:47.520 --> 2:26:49.520 and shit like that. Man. I mean, come on, man, 2:26:49.560 --> 2:26:52.960 we were up there rocking clubs. Man, I mean to 2:26:53.280 --> 2:26:55.040 five in the morning, and you think it's like a 2:26:55.200 --> 2:26:58.040 music and cass ain't blinking and ship They're like yo, 2:26:58.240 --> 2:27:00.480 keep going. He's like, it's like yo, you think it's 2:27:00.520 --> 2:27:03.480 like yo, man, we roasted this fucking place right class, 2:27:03.720 --> 2:27:07.720 Like yo, man, It's like I got blinking that shit again. 2:27:10.040 --> 2:27:15.120 So it was the politics of the game. It's fucking 2:27:15.160 --> 2:27:18.120 people up. It's like yeah, now damn yo, I don't 2:27:18.160 --> 2:27:21.080 give a fuck if you smoking wear in a cornfield. 2:27:21.440 --> 2:27:24.640 Now you're gonna bust my window, fuck my ship up, 2:27:24.680 --> 2:27:27.240 and steal my ship to keep your ship going. That's 2:27:27.280 --> 2:27:30.920 the problem I have with that. Or Betty up, you're 2:27:30.920 --> 2:27:33.800 gonna come into our gig. You're gonna wear fucking dukie 2:27:33.840 --> 2:27:36.920 ship to get robbed and break up the fucking party. 2:27:37.160 --> 2:27:39.400 We used to tell people no goal. You can't win 2:27:39.520 --> 2:27:42.560 no goal in this party. Ken fucking just like yo, 2:27:42.600 --> 2:27:46.080 I walk. I worked that fucking Walmart fucking all year 2:27:46.160 --> 2:27:48.240 to get this gold chain and coming there with my 2:27:48.520 --> 2:27:52.560 my pretty girl. I'm like, dude, don't do that with 2:27:52.720 --> 2:27:55.920 this ship right here. Pick this shit and we say 2:27:56.000 --> 2:27:58.040 leave your ship in the car. Every once in a 2:27:58.080 --> 2:28:01.720 while you get some asshole man ship enough yeah, right, 2:28:02.360 --> 2:28:04.560 and then you don't talk around. You gonna look at 2:28:04.720 --> 2:28:06.920 six cats and you want to take him on. This 2:28:07.080 --> 2:28:09.480 party is ending. Man, we can't have that. So we 2:28:09.680 --> 2:28:14.400 so public enemy did practical shit. Take to go, Take 2:28:14.440 --> 2:28:18.359 to go. Don't wear the goal because you can't protect 2:28:18.440 --> 2:28:21.920 a goal. It's like you won, cat man. This cat's 2:28:22.000 --> 2:28:25.240 looking at you like like a take on a planet 2:28:26.080 --> 2:28:30.400 like my man to wear my chain? OK, I don't know. 2:28:30.600 --> 2:28:42.840 They wrapping me up talking to the listening. Hold on, 2:28:44.640 --> 2:28:49.600 I've ever done this group. I gotta give you a hug, man, man, 2:28:50.080 --> 2:28:52.640 Thank you so much. Man. I really appreciate I really 2:28:53.000 --> 2:28:55.520 you have no idea how much you mean to the community. 2:28:55.560 --> 2:28:57.879 And we're gonna always support you. And I definitely want 2:28:57.920 --> 2:29:04.080 my order to forget that. 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