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Speaker 1: the brother that we are about to talk to today
Speaker 1: is beyond the icon. He's beyond the legend. Me and EFN,
Speaker 1: I think this is probably we both agree music because
Speaker 1: I don't think me and you kind of listening to
Speaker 1: the same type of music, right, But this case we
Speaker 1: are both super both raised both. This guy raised me.
Speaker 1: He's my stepfather. You don't know it, but he has
Speaker 1: when it comes to this music business, when it comes
Speaker 1: to making music, it's I'm just listening to the music
Speaker 1: again today and I'm just sitting there, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: this is timeless music, Like you can put out this
Speaker 1: the music that they were making then now and it's
Speaker 1: still be relevant. When I say this is beyond a legend,
Speaker 1: when I say this is beyond the icon, when I
Speaker 1: say this is a person who fights for hip hop,
Speaker 1: who has hip hop on his shoulder and lives it, lives, breefs, breathes.
Speaker 1: This guy is a person that we have to give
Speaker 1: their flowers. We have to show the ultimate respect because
Speaker 1: he is exactly what we also strive to want to be. Like,
Speaker 1: in case people don't know who we're talking about, we
Speaker 1: talk about the one only motherfucker Chuck Wow, James Baumer
Speaker 1: is right. Yeah. And then first I'd like to say apologies.
Speaker 1: Circling each other for seven to eight years unacceptable. Unacceptable.
Speaker 1: We just happened to circle and then pandemic, you know,
Speaker 1: for three years out of our lives. Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: to thank you Evan for giving me a drop on
Speaker 1: our rap station. I think during the rap station things
Speaker 1: for like fourteen years. It's Pacifical Networks, it's his own Apple.
Speaker 1: Think you oft the drop for me? I played all
Speaker 1: the time. Yes, thank you you my man, Thank you
Speaker 1: for just being you. Yes, yes, and all that. I
Speaker 1: remember I was doing this show. I mean I was
Speaker 1: doing it actually a project. You know, the filmmaker Michael Moore, Yes, MICHAELA.
Speaker 1: So he was doing this project and this is like
Speaker 1: ninety eight and he you know, he's doing all these
Speaker 1: types of things. But yeah, well I'm bringing that full circle.
Speaker 1: So you know, he's in the city right in New York,
Speaker 1: and he said, Chuck, come on with me. What we're
Speaker 1: gonna do is we're gonna just like go into these corporations.
Speaker 1: He's shooting the film, like we're going into corporations and
Speaker 1: and the places that got sweatshops but you know, like
Speaker 1: Nike and all these other plot spots. So he goes
Speaker 1: in the Nike town, right, and he gets like two
Speaker 1: buses of kids to storm Nike Town and say, yo,
Speaker 1: y'all are wrong, you know, I mean, and this might
Speaker 1: be the anti Nike ad, right, but and y'all are wrong.
Speaker 1: And he got like two bus loads of kids from
Speaker 1: Harlem to storm Nike Town on their sweatshops. Right. Wow.
Speaker 1: But the bust on the way when it parks up,
Speaker 1: Super Thug comes back and it was my first time
Speaker 1: here the time and these kids like the teddest bust
Speaker 1: I want to bust with them up and what what
Speaker 1: what what they tore this bust up? I said, Nike's
Speaker 1: in trouble you So so let's let's let's get to
Speaker 1: up the beginning, right, how about you want to go?
Speaker 1: But we said wasn't gonna work because because you know,
Speaker 1: um public enemy, right, like this was like a group
Speaker 1: that defied the odds, right, you know what I mean, Um,
Speaker 1: everyone was kind of at this time, everyone was you know,
Speaker 1: um uh most like and and you guys took a
Speaker 1: stance of having conscious like you know, um conscious rap
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. We're old wrap that
Speaker 1: mattered right older. You know, we came from a different time.
Speaker 1: And right now when I'm listening to the music, right
Speaker 1: when I listened to new music, no one is teaching,
Speaker 1: no one is is it's actually music now. There's there's plenty,
Speaker 1: there's plenty out there. You know. It's just that that
Speaker 1: this stuff is not going to float to the top
Speaker 1: without the concern of how much could get sold or
Speaker 1: whatever could get sold for a business proposition. And that's
Speaker 1: that's what it is. It's always business. This is an
Speaker 1: entertainment business. It's like they do accounting by numbers. Man
Speaker 1: boy is better, you know, better is not always you know,
Speaker 1: um bigger. In my case, it's it's like you could
Speaker 1: be better with the quality instead of the quantity. But
Speaker 1: that necessarily is in business. But there's a lot of
Speaker 1: cats out there. I just did something with young brother
Speaker 1: named Consequence. You know, just did a video. He caught me.
Speaker 1: He's an independent cat. He caught me at JFK said, listen,
Speaker 1: I could get this video in because you know today
Speaker 1: who listen with their eyes. You know, they're all screen agents,
Speaker 1: you know, so it's screen ag Yeah, screen just say
Speaker 1: screen screen age. And I didn't make it up, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I got my antenna is up. So somebody said, yo, chuck,
Speaker 1: they screen agents. I'm like, thing, I'm a register. But
Speaker 1: they listen with their eyes. So necessarily everybody kind of
Speaker 1: you know, if they got something, they got to put
Speaker 1: a visual to it. Consequence stop me at JFK. Him
Speaker 1: and this man got out boom on boom. It's a
Speaker 1: video clip and it's gone up, you know, viral whatever.
Speaker 1: So they out there making efforts. I think the biggest
Speaker 1: difference Nori and Effing and James would probably agree with me,
Speaker 1: is that we're seeing the business take groups and individualize them,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's easy to like, like, it's easier
Speaker 1: to renegotiate on now cases a hip hop, renegotiate or
Speaker 1: renegotiate a contract with one person as opposed to a group.
Speaker 1: And that's probably the biggest difference because what we've seen
Speaker 1: since the nineties as individuals instead of groups. So when
Speaker 1: you first aid groups, it was a group effort from
Speaker 1: the bomb squad to That's what w's with Griff James Bam,
Speaker 1: you know, to Flavor and myself. You know, me and
Speaker 1: Flavor man. I mean people are like, oh you guys
Speaker 1: man are so different. Yeah, you damn right, were different different,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like we come from
Speaker 1: a neighborhood Roosevelt Long Allen where everybody knew each other,
Speaker 1: small town on the outskirts of New York. All our
Speaker 1: people's is from different areas in New York. My mother
Speaker 1: and father from Harlem on the fifty first Street, right,
Speaker 1: so you know, people moved out there. You're always going
Speaker 1: back and forth. We went to all the boroughs, maybe
Speaker 1: not stat Nilan back then that you won't take turning
Speaker 1: into Charlette and I'm talking post forcing d right. But
Speaker 1: we went to check out everything, and so when it
Speaker 1: came to do something in hip hop, was taking all
Speaker 1: the collective efforts of people that did real things in
Speaker 1: our neighborhood and just like put it to Wax man,
Speaker 1: put it to rons because and now they would catch
Speaker 1: their real things. Man. But then we go back being
Speaker 1: a little older too, because it wasn't miraculous for a
Speaker 1: cat in sixty eight and sixty nine to have common
Speaker 1: sense when sense was common you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then they realized that they had to do something
Speaker 1: against that, and so we decided to do like what
Speaker 1: would happen in our neighborhood and put it to Wax
Speaker 1: because hip hop was a beautiful thing. Man. Hip hop
Speaker 1: is such a beautiful thing, man. And the seventies before
Speaker 1: it was Wax, I wish I could have sliced it.
Speaker 1: And what would Starsky Flash, Mellie mell DJ Hollywood. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. What they were doing, Curtis Blow,
Speaker 1: what they were doing. It was like you looked up
Speaker 1: to them like like they were aliens men, And I said, wow, man,
Speaker 1: And that's what bit me man. So when we was
Speaker 1: a group, it was a total group effort. You know,
Speaker 1: this is Public Enemy is a culmination of a lot
Speaker 1: of brilliant parts. They all we all, they all beautiful
Speaker 1: cats man, and like a big big family and the barbecue,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah people, oh man, you guys might have differences. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your damn skippy like family and neighborhood different. Damn it.
Speaker 1: It's like the original wood tang if you think about
Speaker 1: it as big as that, you guys with the bomb squad,
Speaker 1: and then that's one w's like yeah, everybody people rights,
Speaker 1: like we won't give everybody in mind Republic Enemy. They know,
Speaker 1: a great mad everybody returned out differently for public and
Speaker 1: everybody had him like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah everything. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you all due respect to the rule because
Speaker 1: they are just amazing. You know, it's just amazing to
Speaker 1: this day. I mean, if I if I could be,
Speaker 1: if I could be another rapper, you would be the client.
Speaker 1: I would be method Man. Okay, I could see that.
Speaker 1: I mean even method Man could read yo man, he
Speaker 1: could read the newspaper man, and and I play it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so did your nickname bust the Rhams? Did
Speaker 1: you give bust the rams. His name, well, leaders of
Speaker 1: a New School was a was a bar and don't
Speaker 1: believe the hype. And we felt that you know, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, uh, Custer was a five percenter just
Speaker 1: like a lot of young cats were at the time.
Speaker 1: You know. It was the sort of the sea seeking
Speaker 1: and the knowledge yourself, right, you know, especially back then,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, I don't know what was dope to
Speaker 1: be smart back then? Well, well now it's dope to
Speaker 1: be stupid. Well I don't know you yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean everything is coming at you right now. So we said,
Speaker 1: you know, just understand, you know, there's there's a certain lifestyle,
Speaker 1: social martial arts of being able to see what's coming.
Speaker 1: And that's why it was always said quest for knowledge yourself.
Speaker 1: So at that particular juncture, you know, young people say,
Speaker 1: you know, it ain't gonna be given out there. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna seek. I'm gonna gravitate to the five
Speaker 1: percenter and still have a piece of myself, you know,
Speaker 1: without it being a regiment you know, regimented situation. So
Speaker 1: you know, he would go back and forth from Long
Speaker 1: Island to Brooklyn, still claimed Brooklyn because it was yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know back then, it's like people were like
Speaker 1: claiming everybody or pretty much like many people because New
Speaker 1: York is a melting pot. When you study New York,
Speaker 1: it's a melting pot. Everybody's from from all over. Man.
Speaker 1: You when you study migration, that's the movement of our people.
Speaker 1: So what youre doing with my water, sir, I I
Speaker 1: don't understand what's what's going on over so it don't
Speaker 1: be shy. And I am afraid man. As y'all get
Speaker 1: you know your thing, I'm gonna still be here for anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so his name was like what Chillo ski? Oh that
Speaker 1: was a horrible name. Buster Well, well it kind of worked.
Speaker 1: But what we used to do. We used to be like, listen, man,
Speaker 1: I'm a big sports head man and go Knicks because
Speaker 1: I'm catching the game and big out, big shout out
Speaker 1: to my man Cpter Fanchise for Knicks Fan TV. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm a big sports fan. So one thing about sports,
Speaker 1: you can't just come off the top of your head
Speaker 1: and say what's what This fact is fact and you
Speaker 1: got to go off the facts. So it was like, listen, man,
Speaker 1: we need something to represent the way you spit the
Speaker 1: way you guys rhyn man. But we got to rename
Speaker 1: y'all because man out there, man, there's a million rappers
Speaker 1: right now. Now, it's a trillion. Back then, it's like
Speaker 1: you back then, back then, Yo man. That's why you
Speaker 1: can't tell a streamer yo man. You can't come. You
Speaker 1: can't come to a New Yorker and say, yo, man,
Speaker 1: this is that because it cat's been like I've been
Speaker 1: seeing Ryman for fifty years. Yo. It's so anyway, long
Speaker 1: story short, I'm like, yo, man, this cat plays football
Speaker 1: for Nebraska. His name was Buster Rhymes. I knew at
Speaker 1: that particular time, man, I said, damn if I could
Speaker 1: pick a new name. And I was kind of a
Speaker 1: little established. Wait time out, what did you just his
Speaker 1: name was Buster Runs. There was a guy and he played,
Speaker 1: and he played later on for the Minnesota Viking. He
Speaker 1: has to hate Buster. I think Buster middle later on. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I said listen to it, and back then I was like,
Speaker 1: but why you blow in my mind? Right now, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I got chills. Well it's documented, so I said, listen, Chiller,
Speaker 1: Ski's not gonna work you, Buster Rhymes, And that's what
Speaker 1: your name is of course you get the side the
Speaker 1: side eyed at the times, like nah, I'm not feeling
Speaker 1: this Buster around son, you Buster rhymes, y'aller leaders in
Speaker 1: new school. And Hank named um Brian Higgins, you know,
Speaker 1: big up the Higgins and Higgins Higgins brother Yo. He
Speaker 1: named them. Charlie Brown and Dinko d already had a
Speaker 1: fly and they're teenagers at the time. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: they was around. They was always downstairs and at the
Speaker 1: five ten recording studios. And when we first came up
Speaker 1: with the track of Rubbel without the pores, they were
Speaker 1: just hanging around. So every time we play, I remember
Speaker 1: them climbing and running up the side of the walls
Speaker 1: and they're like, sit your motherfucking asses down. And every
Speaker 1: time we go back to it, they go crazy and
Speaker 1: doing like they they like like they energies in their music. Yo.
Speaker 1: They they like transforming. Their bodies were bending and ship
Speaker 1: running up the ceiling and I'm like, we got something here,
Speaker 1: you know what. But I know he always comes to
Speaker 1: me and I'm like, Buster, listen, man, you your old man, yo.
Speaker 1: You my fault or you know you stop it, stop it.
Speaker 1: Our job was our job is like listen, public enemy
Speaker 1: we servicemen, we service. This is our military man. We
Speaker 1: don't take the claim and any credit individual e man,
Speaker 1: this is what we do. We love the art form.
Speaker 1: Were just like you know, and I'm not even oh,
Speaker 1: this is a fifty year hip hop. I'm not Oh
Speaker 1: I'm sixty two, I ain't it or you know, in
Speaker 1: my sixty thirty year, I ain't it. Oh something fifty
Speaker 1: years old. So I'm just like I remember when it
Speaker 1: was on a tricycle. Yeah, I know, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not in all of it. I've seen
Speaker 1: it on a tricycle. Just don't want to see people
Speaker 1: driving into a ditch, that's all. So so I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, we're servicemen and we give things, as Griff
Speaker 1: would say, So that's that's the thing is trained mental.
Speaker 1: But the same thing in sports, right you know, young
Speaker 1: ca they got talent, you want to manifest that into
Speaker 1: a skill and then you want that skill to work
Speaker 1: for them, so they do their thing. Because you know
Speaker 1: this this fifty years of hip hop, but every five
Speaker 1: years is a generation. So there's ten generations in hip hop.
Speaker 1: Ten generations. I mean look from you know recorded wise, right, Well,
Speaker 1: you got the first generation seventy three to seventy eight.
Speaker 1: Then what you got seventy nine to eighty four. That's
Speaker 1: the first five years of recording. You got eighty and
Speaker 1: four to eighty nine. Okay, you got eighty nine to
Speaker 1: like ninety four, then you got ninety five to like
Speaker 1: you can kind of see changes in Yeah, So every
Speaker 1: generation got their thing, so they got their ways and
Speaker 1: and if you can find like comment denominators to teach
Speaker 1: them how to do them better or not even better
Speaker 1: because artist subjective. Man, a lot of people aren't studied
Speaker 1: in the arts, so a lot of times they put
Speaker 1: it in a competition mode without saying, well damn, you
Speaker 1: got license to ill as an art you know, so
Speaker 1: they's not teaching the art awards, teaching the war of art, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just had the Isley Brothers on right and they
Speaker 1: spoke about um uh, fight the power. Yes they're making
Speaker 1: that record, and it made me also think it was
Speaker 1: like fight the powers is saying to fight, you know,
Speaker 1: against the establishments the regimes that when they made that record.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm trying to say, how is that
Speaker 1: record still relevant to this day? Right now? You can
Speaker 1: still their virginal your Vergi and it's goodness because it's
Speaker 1: not yea to fight the bout Why the fun were
Speaker 1: still gonna fight things is Nina Simone once said that
Speaker 1: artists should speak in the time in which they lived. Damn,
Speaker 1: that's pretty and fight the powers. One of those things
Speaker 1: you don't at the time. You know, you have all
Speaker 1: these companies and they they in our neighborhood, but they're
Speaker 1: not giving back. They're not doing anything for the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You you you most of the time, and this and
Speaker 1: this is crazy. We're the athletes. You go to our schools.
Speaker 1: Some of the topic, especially in Florida. I grew up
Speaker 1: here in Pojokee, Florida, right, and some of the top athletes.
Speaker 1: But these companies that they go to they ain't building nothing.
Speaker 1: They ain't giving back a community center or rec center
Speaker 1: to keep them off the streets. And that was one
Speaker 1: of the things that you know, we understood at that time.
Speaker 1: You got to speak into the times in which you live.
Speaker 1: And I think when Nina Simone said that, that was
Speaker 1: that was a pivotal time, you know, because these generations
Speaker 1: they get lost and and right now they keep it.
Speaker 1: How you gonna be a boy at thirty five. You know,
Speaker 1: you're a man and they're keeping they're dumbing down rat.
Speaker 1: Really that's that's that's what I'm saying. I said, you guys,
Speaker 1: I said, you guys are DM on Twitter lamm Twitter.
Speaker 1: But it showed a great example of a young cat.
Speaker 1: I don't know where they was at, but his name
Speaker 1: was Ali and young young Cats was in the streets
Speaker 1: and they had beef. But of course something that's lifted
Speaker 1: into the style of everybody capturing everything, so it's like
Speaker 1: you got bystanders now trying to document, but it's become
Speaker 1: this other thing. And he stepped in the middle of
Speaker 1: it as a slightly older head. Maybe he was ten,
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen years older than them. And you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to reiterate everything in the video if
Speaker 1: I could, but I'm just like saying that that example
Speaker 1: of stand up is what happened all the time, because
Speaker 1: it's it's standing up with love and whatever you do
Speaker 1: and approach anything, you know, you gotta you gotta approach
Speaker 1: with love. Man. That's why sometimes in the business, you know,
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones, mister Quincy Jones, he says, you know, like
Speaker 1: you know, it's straight up, you know, the artists. Art
Speaker 1: artists love and introducing the conversation with especially you know
Speaker 1: young men in the street, all that he's got to
Speaker 1: do it with love. But so his business is happening.
Speaker 1: You know, once money comes in, God walks out the room.
Speaker 1: So the love. Yeah, anyway, I gotta, I gotta, I
Speaker 1: gotta represent you know, um a lot of the times,
Speaker 1: you know this is the crown iconic. Of course, of
Speaker 1: course I gotta take because I gotta show my generation.
Speaker 1: My generation took these off. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I would say that I leave one another thing anhing, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: It's very cool to stay in your lane. Catch just
Speaker 1: like coming to me. I said, Yo, man, I ain't
Speaker 1: my lane. I got love for it, but ain't as
Speaker 1: long as it's your lane. The problem is people trying
Speaker 1: to jump another lane are uncomfortable for them. Bro listen,
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to peel that nothing. I ain't trying
Speaker 1: to sell anything. I'm actually you know, my team's always like, dude,
Speaker 1: you need to sell. I'm like, I'm in it for
Speaker 1: the art. They saying, I'm It's the opposite of maybe
Speaker 1: in big respect, out the Jay and everybody I'm not
Speaker 1: a businessman. That's real. I've never heard nobody. I am
Speaker 1: an artist. I'm an artist since nineteen sixty. You know,
Speaker 1: artists shorts for artificial it's not real. It's a facsimile
Speaker 1: of the life that we see and leave. But but
Speaker 1: that's my choosing, you know, I think when it comes
Speaker 1: down but I think, well, I think when it comes
Speaker 1: down to the business, it's like you only could do
Speaker 1: so much for yourself as an individual, but how much
Speaker 1: you know, like this this team around you. You you
Speaker 1: work and you strive to go forward, to evolve and
Speaker 1: all that for them to be able to come up
Speaker 1: and grow. And I've been very fortunate, and we've always
Speaker 1: had bumps in the road because you never seen me
Speaker 1: out kid yo, by this, by that, by that, there's
Speaker 1: nothing against that. But but we've been um as as
Speaker 1: black folk and even others involved with us, you know,
Speaker 1: like employable for amongst ourselves for like what thirty five years,
Speaker 1: thirty six years, thirty six don't think for yourself because
Speaker 1: a lot of times people are like, oh, man, you're
Speaker 1: getting this, You're getting us. Not man, I gotta think
Speaker 1: for the totem pole of people are coming up. How
Speaker 1: do they make a living, how do they get their
Speaker 1: first house? You know what I'm saying. That's the theme
Speaker 1: of what this should all be about. It's no knock
Speaker 1: for anybody that doesn't have that thing, because because we're
Speaker 1: all individuals with human beings, there is a human glitch.
Speaker 1: But I'm not the one to figure it out. I'm
Speaker 1: just not in the business and making black folks look bad.
Speaker 1: I'm just in and I'm saying I'm not in that business.
Speaker 1: And there's this you know, there's business is out there
Speaker 1: that thrive on it ever since what shackles slavery both
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying like that, But i mean,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's be clear, right, you guys had major success,
Speaker 1: and what success comes you know, all the other parts
Speaker 1: of the world, Like how come I've never heard be
Speaker 1: involved in like conspiracy scandal like and but obviously there
Speaker 1: was it was around. I'm thinking that we've been one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen countries, one hundred and sixteen I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm making some noise of that. Well, by the way,
Speaker 1: let me just let me just be clear. By the way,
Speaker 1: let's just be clear, I didn't even know there was
Speaker 1: one hundred sixteen countries. I didn't even know that twenty two. Now,
Speaker 1: that's how that's I. I thought I had success just
Speaker 1: now like that just hurt me. Success I didn't even
Speaker 1: though it was two hundred countries. Success is relative. Bro,
Speaker 1: you're very success who you've been to one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixteen countries? Yeah, But but I just strow it out there.
Speaker 1: I understand this. I'm gonna just s throw it out there.
Speaker 1: But look, there's people out there like Master aceh like
Speaker 1: a lot, I mean Ace out there is always living
Speaker 1: somewhere else in the world. This is a truck d
Speaker 1: you got over some cholch. But the thing about you're
Speaker 1: invited to go to these places and whole school of
Speaker 1: where we came from is that you're invited to go
Speaker 1: to the places, leave an impression, make a path for
Speaker 1: others to come in and romp shit out because I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: the positive thing and this to that whatever the number
Speaker 1: one goal, as we're taught by our master teacher, Dougie Fresh,
Speaker 1: right right, look at Dougie Fresh as well. Fresh, leave
Speaker 1: that fucking stage fucking destroyed. Yes, leave destroy that stage
Speaker 1: with rap and music and hip hop. We'd be like, no,
Speaker 1: we didn't make appeal in music. Matter fact, we made
Speaker 1: music at the same time, like we're trying to make
Speaker 1: you not like our music. So when you see us,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, what the fuck is this? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean it's sort of like that crazy ass heavy
Speaker 1: metal attitude, like like the groupies outside. Yeah, everybody's everybody
Speaker 1: and this part of the world, man, the South, you're
Speaker 1: in an inner team of business. You know that, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole the whole thing. I've been telling people all
Speaker 1: my life. Be like, oh man, I didn't think you
Speaker 1: were so engaging. I said, dude, I've been in hating
Speaker 1: the business. I'm not a preacher. I don't have no churches, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't write just or rhythmic dissertations. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying that I am in the entertainment business. Hip hop,
Speaker 1: rap music is my thing. That is my religion. I'll
Speaker 1: go around and stomp out a ball. I would definitely
Speaker 1: back in the day, I'll be like, listen, I would
Speaker 1: have to ask you like a lines of morning we
Speaker 1: like when I hit that stage, it's like you're gonna
Speaker 1: come and tear this ship up, Like but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all the big I would see lines of morning
Speaker 1: with that vein in the savage. Yeah, coming to the court,
Speaker 1: I was like, and go chake that stage and chew
Speaker 1: it up. But you know you gotta get taught that
Speaker 1: and when you first start and and big up to
Speaker 1: my man Paul and say, uh he in Possaic. He
Speaker 1: saw our first show. Yeah, he saw our first show
Speaker 1: in Prosaic, New Jersey. Number one. End up in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty seven, people droping up for the baste boards April first.
Speaker 1: I got ten years old, was ten years old Capital
Speaker 1: Theater Number one. You start out right, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: you know number one. You're trying to like yo, like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to kno fuck up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then the Beastie Boys that second show we did
Speaker 1: with them, we're in an arena. Were in the arena
Speaker 1: like like you know, like the same spot I'll be
Speaker 1: seeing Cash play basketball like we played Providence the second
Speaker 1: show arena and I'm like, whoa like like the whole
Speaker 1: the audience looked like a pizza, like a like a
Speaker 1: Calico rug. Right, how do you why do you and
Speaker 1: just make pizza sound bad? You don't see nothing. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden right, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I was getting through that tour nervous. I was nervous
Speaker 1: my whole first year, and you know we finally nervous.
Speaker 1: You're talking about nineteen eighty seven and the Latin Quarters
Speaker 1: with Mellie Men get that story later, listen. So I'm
Speaker 1: so nervous. And one day I've seening Mike D. He
Speaker 1: was like totally drunk, right, and he did his verses
Speaker 1: and he like he he just fell out, but he
Speaker 1: still was on the floor laughing. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you could do that. Anything goes. Unless I saw Mike
Speaker 1: D did that, I loosened up because I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: anything goes on the stage if you could kind of
Speaker 1: like still stay with it. And it was three of them,
Speaker 1: and that loosened me up like crazy. So um yeah, man,
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I'm a firm believer. You're owner
Speaker 1: to what you think, but a slave to what you say.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So a lot of times
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, man, watch out for valad, watch
Speaker 1: out for drink Chace man, yo man uh sound bites
Speaker 1: and clicks. I'm like, you're owner to what you think,
Speaker 1: you slay to what you say, Yeah, sick. But by
Speaker 1: the way, by the way, I didn't say that the
Speaker 1: fuck out of here. Yeah, listen, listen, you the saw
Speaker 1: of what you think exactly. Listen. The easiest thing. A
Speaker 1: lot of people blame alcohol, and it's not alcohol. Alcohol
Speaker 1: just enhances. Yes, it rolls it out, you know. And
Speaker 1: and I'll get to that in a second. But like
Speaker 1: I said, like, you know, the easiest thing for people
Speaker 1: to deal with it saying fuck, I don't know you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You're gonna take press. But see
Speaker 1: here we in the game. And let me tell you
Speaker 1: public interview if you say all that, we're the first
Speaker 1: to take on an interview with a vengeance myself, Griff James.
Speaker 1: There was no music press at all for black artists
Speaker 1: in the eighties, you know, Prince and Michael Jackson wasn't
Speaker 1: fucking with no interviews. So and then after Rundem scene
Speaker 1: got accused of starting riots in in nineteen eighty six. No,
Speaker 1: and yeah, they got accused for starting riots because there
Speaker 1: was a big conflict Crisson the Bloods nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 1: Long Beach, California. They had some some and the press
Speaker 1: didn't even know what to call it, so it must
Speaker 1: have been run DMC. So I win. You know, I
Speaker 1: just kind of bloods holy shit, yeah, because you know,
Speaker 1: like they had factions and the beginning of the crypton
Speaker 1: bloods And I'm not gonna be an expert on this,
Speaker 1: but you know, at the beginning they were neighborhood guardians, right.
Speaker 1: But then just like in New York, all of a
Speaker 1: sudden the nineteen eighties, which is R and B, Reagan
Speaker 1: and Bush, right, they come in and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden in the neighborhood include now neighborhood Long Island, there's
Speaker 1: an influx of guns. There's an influx of drugs out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, right, And this is on the tail end
Speaker 1: or the seventies. And y'all saw the movie Un American
Speaker 1: Gangster and stuff like that, in the whole Nicky Bad
Speaker 1: Lucas Starry and all that. But also that was tied
Speaker 1: into other situations. You could go into the CIA and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Pretty sure, I mean, you got the
Speaker 1: name Noriego Snowfall. But but but like there's no accident.
Speaker 1: So in the eighties when this came up, you know,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, in Los Angeles, what used to
Speaker 1: be the neighborhood guardians. You know, hey, look, you don't
Speaker 1: come to this turf the script's blood. Then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're fueling the next generation the young heads.
Speaker 1: That's that's like okay, I mean yo, I'm getting this
Speaker 1: money and old head ain't got no money. So now
Speaker 1: money is the divide line. God walks out the room.
Speaker 1: So they turned into a different army with guns where
Speaker 1: like boom boom. So it's like where where this thing
Speaker 1: came from? In eighty six, they got everybody, everybody listening
Speaker 1: to rap music. Kda's the radio station out there. They
Speaker 1: got everybody in the spot and just happened to be
Speaker 1: the meeting place where cats convened and something broke out
Speaker 1: and they blamed in our rap music in nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 1: that's what I was saying. And I told Bill Outler,
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, man, I'm ready to do
Speaker 1: this public enemy thing because I'm gonna be the motherfucker
Speaker 1: that they ain't never gonna see before. Now. I was
Speaker 1: trained to like do interviews and give interviews and shit
Speaker 1: like that being a sports fan, so that one thing
Speaker 1: led to another and the birth of public Enemy. We
Speaker 1: would be getting large expanses of interviews man all over
Speaker 1: the world, because I said, Yo, what we have is
Speaker 1: something y'all don't know about, and we know everything about you.
Speaker 1: That's the same thing like and martial arts that that
Speaker 1: these guys do. It's like arts. You're gonna start smiling.
Speaker 1: He rode to James. I mean, they they they've been
Speaker 1: there since minute one. They used to do the security
Speaker 1: of our gigs with myself, Hank, Keith Shockley, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know we used to do the gigs flavor myself,
Speaker 1: Keith was on the radio station doing mixes and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So we all just together terminator asks of course,
Speaker 1: you know. So we bought it all together to be
Speaker 1: this one thing. And and I'm just finished off the
Speaker 1: Public Enemy thing. It's like I said no for two
Speaker 1: years doing Public Enemy and won't do records. We wanted
Speaker 1: to be what Deaf Jam was building, and we wanted
Speaker 1: to be like the motown of hip hop because I
Speaker 1: mean myself, Bill, Stephany, Hank, we wanted to like trade
Speaker 1: you see, like what came out of it, like busting them.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, and we have more to
Speaker 1: come out. So I was a key development person. I
Speaker 1: was like the Smokey Robinson man. I would work with
Speaker 1: the artists, arrange them. We're naming it, do the art
Speaker 1: stuff like that. We would all put you know, cats
Speaker 1: in a gig. We would treat them right when they
Speaker 1: come along outland. It's like, man, we'll bring you out,
Speaker 1: we'll treat you like superstars, and we'll send you back
Speaker 1: home safe boom. One of our biggest groups that we
Speaker 1: always had a ball is promoting stets of Sonic was Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: my man, Daddy O is like thick up the Daddy O.
Speaker 1: He's like the you know, the guru professor Daddy, like
Speaker 1: three thousand haircuts. Yeah, always a different sided. Mean to
Speaker 1: take it there with it. But I'm saying that that
Speaker 1: when you go around the world, the number one thing,
Speaker 1: number one thing to wherever you're at is know the law.
Speaker 1: Because when you know the law, then you can operate
Speaker 1: on figuring out it's flaws. When you have no justice
Speaker 1: to fight the law, you can't fight the lad not
Speaker 1: knowing the law. Right and then and then expect some
Speaker 1: some clap back on that. That was a Black Panthers.
Speaker 1: Black Panthers was college students, neighborhood activists that knew the
Speaker 1: law and use the law right and still us you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Listen man, the community is always
Speaker 1: full of thinkers and doers. You know, you need thinkers,
Speaker 1: but they could come up to a certain point. You
Speaker 1: need doings, but they just can't just just be doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you need a combination and then and that's what
Speaker 1: we was a combination thinkers do is move and shakers.
Speaker 1: But also let's let's not get it twisted. We're in
Speaker 1: the entertainment business in hip hop. When you're trying to
Speaker 1: give young people something to do, we're just trying to
Speaker 1: be active. We trying to be motivating and give young
Speaker 1: people something to do by enlightening them and not look
Speaker 1: down on them. Although there's a lot of things you
Speaker 1: can look down on, but you gotta look across there
Speaker 1: and say, listen, man, how do you think it's gonna
Speaker 1: You know, work long term is a good look. You
Speaker 1: gotta ask them questions, you gotta engage on that. But
Speaker 1: that's a lot of work, man, it's a lot of work.
Speaker 1: But hold you mentioned going back to you saying that
Speaker 1: you wanted to be the motown, you wanted to produce
Speaker 1: and development. Was that chance one of the first chances
Speaker 1: when when Cube, that opportunity came for you guys to
Speaker 1: produce America's most wanting And how did that all come about?
Speaker 1: Cause I cannot cannot because that was a marriage of
Speaker 1: great worlds. Let me let me just say something. And
Speaker 1: I watched um math Hoppa and them talk about this
Speaker 1: fantastic show. So what happened was on there? They said
Speaker 1: that Smith and Weston at one time, Smith and Weston
Speaker 1: got down with Tupac at that time where Tupac was
Speaker 1: hated on the East Coast. So at that time, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be honest as a fan, I was not
Speaker 1: into this music industry at all. I was thrown off
Speaker 1: a little bit too because how easily the ice Cube
Speaker 1: was accepted in the East Coast. Because I didn't feel
Speaker 1: this is me as a person, this is this is
Speaker 1: not Nori, this is Poppy in Left Frack City. I
Speaker 1: felt that. I felt, I felt the West Coast would
Speaker 1: not do that to any other artists other than Public Enemy,
Speaker 1: Like we wouldn't be accepted in the West Coast. But
Speaker 1: when ice Cube came here, it was like all arms.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, this my humble no no industry, no industry,
Speaker 1: no industry. Here, we're gonna remember we didn't have Instagram
Speaker 1: back then. We didn't know that, We didn't know that
Speaker 1: you had a relationship, So the media wasn't the same.
Speaker 1: Like people discovered America's most wanted and in that moment
Speaker 1: discovered that he left n W. That's how I, as
Speaker 1: a kid, open it up and I see bomb squad
Speaker 1: And here's the crazy thing about that. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: started making this question social, but no, Well, here's the
Speaker 1: crazy thing about that. Here's a crazy thing about that.
Speaker 1: I was so much an n WA fan at that time.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to accept anything that was going to
Speaker 1: but I was such a fan of both. To see
Speaker 1: that marriage. I was listen, is like the best the country.
Speaker 1: The whole was talking together, and I think the night
Speaker 1: this is love this. But Q came to the show
Speaker 1: we did at the Palladium. Man, what was eighty eight? Listen?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm the only reason I'm a fact checker because
Speaker 1: all I did all my life as being a sports
Speaker 1: fan is watched this hip hop ship. And I was
Speaker 1: a fan of everything everything from from before records. I
Speaker 1: was a fan. I didn't want to do it. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to be a fan. I wanted to do Flyers.
Speaker 1: That's why I gave you a book I did. I
Speaker 1: did the best Flyers. I wanted to compete and bust
Speaker 1: everybody in the world. And Flyers go to the gig
Speaker 1: Geant supper Storm go home knowing I got my hip
Speaker 1: hop in. It's a rebel type of thing with me,
Speaker 1: this ship man, we need the seventies with let's ever listen.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go off tangent. I was in high school in
Speaker 1: seventy six and seventy seven. Bro I graduated seventy seventy eight.
Speaker 1: You ain't have a Gumby Niaga up. You had, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean you you you had to go. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm in college in nineteen seventy eight, Broad. Although I
Speaker 1: tried to be rebellious and wear kicks, sometimes they'd been like, nah,
Speaker 1: we ain't fucking having them kicks up in here, And
Speaker 1: you had to make adjustments. You know, I wasn't wearing playboys,
Speaker 1: but you know I was platforms or whatever getting you.
Speaker 1: If you you didn't want to be a wallflower man
Speaker 1: with the fuck you standing on the wall, it's dance music. Man,
Speaker 1: this ship is popping. DJ's is rocking and stuff, and
Speaker 1: so you would standing on the wall, and and and
Speaker 1: and girls is in the spot when you're gonna get
Speaker 1: on the wall. And if you ain't one of those
Speaker 1: big afro do to hustle pretty boys, you better fucking
Speaker 1: have some fucking game. Better you get off that wall
Speaker 1: to make it happen. That party is trying to throw
Speaker 1: your hands and had shit like, you know, find one
Speaker 1: groundwe get behind one, let's go, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So the DJ's and the MC was like trying to
Speaker 1: get the party moving. If you ain't moving, security problem,
Speaker 1: and and and when you have the party not popping,
Speaker 1: especially if it's lopsided on population, you got penitentiary six. Man,
Speaker 1: it's a security problem. See today they spend a lot
Speaker 1: of money on compunity, right, a lot of money on security.
Speaker 1: Back then, your ship had to be yo, your ship
Speaker 1: had to be so popping that the most thug, the
Speaker 1: super thug, got a super thug be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to suck this party up, and nobody
Speaker 1: else better not fuck this party. That's making sure. But
Speaker 1: he was moving right, and then your crap flashes them
Speaker 1: wasn't lying you was a whack DJ now only were
Speaker 1: you might get shot at motherfucker's taking your ship. What
Speaker 1: you're gonna do? Oh, police stopped this. You know, DJA
Speaker 1: is better be lucky. I'm trying to tell you now.
Speaker 1: You didn't want that problem, man, You didn't want that problem.
Speaker 1: Also taking black people's money, man, it was a you know,
Speaker 1: I Hack told me a story once man that he
Speaker 1: went to this fight in Brooklyn, man, and the act
Speaker 1: was so whacked. Man. They robbed everybody at Believing Cats
Speaker 1: and Cats and Brooklyn robbed everybody upon leaving the venue
Speaker 1: coase to the act group of God. So yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: My point is before you took me to the dance borld,
Speaker 1: like thank you, thank you, because let me just reiterate
Speaker 1: what my point. You wanna take me to another tangent? No, no,
Speaker 1: it was it was it was something that was had
Speaker 1: never been done before, Like the East Coast wasn't easy.
Speaker 1: Number one, you from the four boroughs at that particularly chime,
Speaker 1: four Burroughs and Queens is barely hanging on. Damn. I'm
Speaker 1: point in Queens nineteen sixty all right before forty years
Speaker 1: before Shake Steadium, the people he invaded Flushing, Yeah, exactly so.
Speaker 1: And also I live I lived in I tell I
Speaker 1: tell this Molly and all the time Nas and Cormega.
Speaker 1: My family lived in Queensbridge the first two years. That
Speaker 1: makes yeah, queens big after Cormeica. Yes, we got to
Speaker 1: get um Mega on here. He's having some issues with
Speaker 1: his label right now. We were like him to express it.
Speaker 1: He's a beautiful cat He's a great, beautiful cat man. Guys,
Speaker 1: come on big, Happy birthday launch Professor, DJ Premier. Damn it, God,
Speaker 1: damn it lost professor. Yeah, all right, yeah, how does
Speaker 1: this call happen? He just calls you out the blue.
Speaker 1: But number one, we come out with Yo brummers to
Speaker 1: show in nineteen eighty seven we are crue, we ain't
Speaker 1: from the city and we in car culture. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're going to get yours as the first single released,
Speaker 1: I guess and I'm I'm I'll give my love to
Speaker 1: my ninety eight Oldsmobile. Really I had a ninety eight
Speaker 1: Oldsmobile because yeah, the nineteenth posse those were the kind
Speaker 1: of like thugs in Long Island made, but they all
Speaker 1: drove ninety eight old Mosobile. Ninety eight the crazy thing
Speaker 1: about them. Everybody used to come out to Roosevelt, which
Speaker 1: they called the Harlem a long island, right, and they
Speaker 1: had the Roosevelt Roller Ring and casts to come from
Speaker 1: Queens and Brooklyn, and the ninety eight Posse was from Himpstead, Roosevelt,
Speaker 1: New York. No, that's for the OUTCA. Now that that
Speaker 1: sparres another level, okay, right, But the ninety eight Posse, man,
Speaker 1: they were so unique that they would put their they
Speaker 1: would put their cars together. They were all mechanics. They
Speaker 1: would rob you. They would just say, you don't want
Speaker 1: to get on the wrong side of them. Matter of fact, Listen,
Speaker 1: our gigs had standoffs between the ninety eight Posse and
Speaker 1: the s one ws was a security and then finally
Speaker 1: they came together saying that anybody did come to our gigs,
Speaker 1: you better not fuck up, because didn't it. It was
Speaker 1: almost a war with him one one night in Hempstead,
Speaker 1: New York at the Korean ball Room. Yeah. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: they ended up being together, like you didn't want to
Speaker 1: mess up one of our events because you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you come out there mess up our event, there ain't
Speaker 1: nothing happening out there. They ain't like we ain't got
Speaker 1: things like Queens and Brooklyn. You mess up with event
Speaker 1: out there some problems. So they even got together the
Speaker 1: super Thus and also the s run W so you
Speaker 1: came out there. It was the unbelievable experience. Long story short,
Speaker 1: um ninety eight posse uh. They would put their cars together,
Speaker 1: they would cut off the highways so you couldn't get
Speaker 1: up out of there, and they you know, so they
Speaker 1: they were pretty much a theme. So bum Ruster the
Speaker 1: Show was our first album, and it operated around something similar.
Speaker 1: You know, Los Angeles. You you ain't catching the bus
Speaker 1: out there. You ain't got no car man, especially you
Speaker 1: were costing a torrance or the outskirt places cost the city. Man,
Speaker 1: you ain't getting nowhere. So they understood there were similarities,
Speaker 1: and you know and us and Iced Tea, who was
Speaker 1: out there. In a matter of fact, he was the
Speaker 1: first big up to my my bro bro Iced Tea
Speaker 1: because every every year Iced team makes history. You know
Speaker 1: why because he's the eldest and he gets in those
Speaker 1: red air So Iced Tea when he turns the age
Speaker 1: like sixty four, sixty five, I think sixty five, he's like, man,
Speaker 1: no rapper ever been there, And then ten years later
Speaker 1: he was saying, oh so so turns sixty Iced team
Speaker 1: did this intend doing the heavy metal rap and rappe
Speaker 1: and doing such a great person a TV twenty five
Speaker 1: years and all. I never told me no like because
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to he He's the Kiss the ring
Speaker 1: god Father for real. So in Wa when they came
Speaker 1: out their first record, they did what Wu Tang did,
Speaker 1: like what eleven years later they had a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of cats out there, rhyme and little cruise, and they
Speaker 1: grouped them all together. If you look at n WA
Speaker 1: in the posse, they wearing clocks from the back of
Speaker 1: ye I have the feel and feel Fresh crew. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: they wearing clock yea yeah yeah yeah yeah. At the
Speaker 1: Easy Old at the end of eighty seven, we started
Speaker 1: doing you know shows and they started saying, oh Nwa
Speaker 1: because they had dope Man and stuff like that. Q
Speaker 1: Easy had already come out. Easy already came out. Um
Speaker 1: d Oc was from Exist, but he was part of
Speaker 1: a crew out in Texas and mccola Records was an
Speaker 1: independent record label and actually it was a record label
Speaker 1: from a pressing plant they had in La just kind
Speaker 1: of took all the rappers at that particular time, and
Speaker 1: then that time at eighty seven, like grouped them together
Speaker 1: and that was in Wai was an attitude, but it
Speaker 1: meant a lot of crews, Raman Prince, all of all
Speaker 1: the founders, Linzo and all those cats man and they
Speaker 1: had this scene out there and this was put in together.
Speaker 1: And then we toured a couple of times, and that's
Speaker 1: when I first started, you know, knowing Dre knowing Q
Speaker 1: who basically looked up to me and said, well, I
Speaker 1: got my style off for you. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I got this style off for school e D. And
Speaker 1: I talked to schools. They pick up the school D
Speaker 1: my bro bro school D right, yeah legend yeah yeah
Speaker 1: man so so and I told him, well, I got
Speaker 1: that style off for school Man eighty six and you
Speaker 1: know schoolies, I got that ship off a mel Wow.
Speaker 1: So were fraternity And although you know, like even after
Speaker 1: us in the nineties and the two thousands, people don't
Speaker 1: think that this lineage, this lineage, yeah, so Q, you know,
Speaker 1: at that particular time, was like, you know, bro Bro,
Speaker 1: They're coming up in wa and then we come up
Speaker 1: with Takes the Nation millions and this is funny were
Speaker 1: playing Vegas and NWA's on the show, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I get the I get the test present from Glenn
Speaker 1: Glenn Freedman, who actually is the photographer who did The
Speaker 1: Nation's cover, though much the show iced Tea. In fact,
Speaker 1: the first time I met iced Tea in La, he
Speaker 1: looked just like Ron Paye's cover, except for Darlene wasn't
Speaker 1: in that in that cover people Africa, It's pulled up
Speaker 1: in that porch. It was like, yo, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you the rules when you come out to LA and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But Glenn Friedman was a photographer and
Speaker 1: so he was then let in Las Vegas when we
Speaker 1: played and he had to pick the the takes the
Speaker 1: Nation album and I'm getting a test present and I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it. I'm like, what the fuck is you know,
Speaker 1: because we're in an art direction down to the team.
Speaker 1: Glenda Little ain't know because he'd be like the drop
Speaker 1: shadow ain't right, and Glenn be trying to get a
Speaker 1: royalty off your off the art work. I'm like, yeah, wait, wait.
Speaker 1: Glenn would take a photo and he tried to go
Speaker 1: to depth gym and said, I want to royalty off
Speaker 1: of the off of my photo. They was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's unprecedented. But he tried. He tried, right, you know,
Speaker 1: like like they say, if you're an asking then you
Speaker 1: don't know if people gonna get it. So I remember
Speaker 1: Easy and Dre also being in the wings, and I
Speaker 1: handed it to them and they're looking at this shit,
Speaker 1: like what the you say? Easy? Easy? And we were
Speaker 1: in the same corpridor matter of fact, matter of fact,
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson was in the same corridor because I was
Speaker 1: getting down and I saw John Little from HUDDI. Here's
Speaker 1: a funny thing, right, you know, John Little Man pick
Speaker 1: up the John Little from Houdini and also ex sols
Speaker 1: to my master teachers too. So Mike, Mike, this is
Speaker 1: this is Mike Tyson nineteen eighty eight, Joy Wheel, John
Speaker 1: Wheel right, and John lit is like, hell right, he does.
Speaker 1: My name is John Little. He wasn't telling much that
Speaker 1: John Wheel, John Wheel. John Little was like, that's the
Speaker 1: same fifty four four nights in the road and Mike
Speaker 1: Tyson hung out with us. God damn it. So man.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that at that same corridor, I'm passing
Speaker 1: that Easy and Dre and then of course QUBE's you know, bro,
Speaker 1: bro coming up on that. The developed in the next
Speaker 1: thing Boom next year, straight out of Compton, which was
Speaker 1: more like you know, like that East Coast fast speed
Speaker 1: muscle and and and Dre was a one man, two
Speaker 1: man operations in there, but he could do all the
Speaker 1: ship that Hank myself, Eric Vietnam, Sadler, Keith, you know
Speaker 1: we all in a room, you know, doing some shit.
Speaker 1: This is a one dude that do this ship with
Speaker 1: an engineer and straight out of Compton. So and Wa
Speaker 1: comes up does that thing. Then again, like I said, groups,
Speaker 1: you know, you got issues, you got schedules, you got conflicts.
Speaker 1: And and Q wanted to do a solo record and
Speaker 1: said that, you know easy and Dre told him to
Speaker 1: wait maybe a year or two and back in them
Speaker 1: days man a year or two. Yeah, man man rip
Speaker 1: van winkle Man. I'm saying so so um Q decided to,
Speaker 1: you know, do it with us. And it is a
Speaker 1: key statement right here. In nineteen eighty nine, NWA played Apollo.
Speaker 1: It was there that night. Okay sold out Yo man,
Speaker 1: New York roasted them. It was like you talk about
Speaker 1: I want to make sure roast no, no, no, anyway
Speaker 1: you want to put don't say, well, God roasted them.
Speaker 1: And I told them downstairs, I said, listen, you guys
Speaker 1: are from three thousand miles away Los Angeles. Miles will
Speaker 1: be Neptune man, not New Jersey, Neptune out of space.
Speaker 1: You gotta go through this in New York. Trust me.
Speaker 1: I'm from Long Island, man. I went through this shit.
Speaker 1: Next year, if you show preseverance, New Yorker want to
Speaker 1: be shown that that that you get up. So I
Speaker 1: don't want to act like what's that word means? That mean?
Speaker 1: I keep going. I I ain't got a bunch of
Speaker 1: big words. Because anyway, you know, like I said, next year,
Speaker 1: you got to show that you could come back and
Speaker 1: do so somebody, because this is New York, this is Apollo.
Speaker 1: They they've been the man. They've been passing coffins out
Speaker 1: of here for the last seventy years. They bow themself right,
Speaker 1: you know, yo back. Yeah. Man, it's hurts waiting on
Speaker 1: the back of the Apollo every year, every show. Then
Speaker 1: so so sure enough, Ice Cubes comes back the next
Speaker 1: year after we do the America's Most one because he
Speaker 1: had conflict, and then um oh this is after them.
Speaker 1: Well we did America's Most for America's You did the
Speaker 1: joint with Big Daddy Kane Burn Hollywood Burn. Well, how
Speaker 1: it happened. We was in Green Street recording and me
Speaker 1: and Kine have been circling around, just like me and
Speaker 1: the Drink Champs, but the studio, Me and me and
Speaker 1: Kane were circling around. Yeah, I'm gonna do this record. Yea,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this record with you. Yeah, We're circling.
Speaker 1: Were circling and found rendezvous where we are the same
Speaker 1: place at the same time. So Kane came down to
Speaker 1: do this record, Burn Hollywood Burn. And that's my sentiment
Speaker 1: and my feelings to this moment, like Burn Hollywood Burn.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna have conversations in the Hollywood boardroom. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna work with a team and they're gonna have those conversations.
Speaker 1: I'm about the art, right, So we got this thing
Speaker 1: Burn Hollywood Burn, and Qube was was being on the
Speaker 1: couch because I first sent them to like whoa go.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to get a MIDI a conflict.
Speaker 1: That's the group thing, yo, Yo, Can y'all produce my
Speaker 1: Albu the brom School. I'm like, I'm not get in
Speaker 1: the middle of that hook up with Sam Sever and
Speaker 1: he talked to Sam Sever and I think I sent
Speaker 1: them to somebody else. I was trying to get producers
Speaker 1: for for Cube. Cuba was like, man, fuck that, I
Speaker 1: want y'all to do my shit. I was like, it
Speaker 1: was right, we don't want to get in the middle
Speaker 1: of that, not even when we kill our kids. A
Speaker 1: lot they got just like it's all about what alliances. Ye,
Speaker 1: we're out with new True Party. Man, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Boom boom boom, You'll figure it out. We
Speaker 1: got your your blessings in the back whatever. We're sovereign nation, right,
Speaker 1: so show enough. One thing led to another. Um. Hank
Speaker 1: thought it was a challenge once he was kind of
Speaker 1: told like, you know, like it might be all right,
Speaker 1: and then Hank was like, Yo, let's go for it.
Speaker 1: Let's let's do this. And already we already had to
Speaker 1: knock out Fear of a Black Planet and then Hanking,
Speaker 1: Eric and him was finishing up the BBD album. But
Speaker 1: but did y'all change the sound like to make it
Speaker 1: more No, because Hugh came in with what he wanted. Wow,
Speaker 1: Sir Jenks was with him and they worked with Eric
Speaker 1: Vietnam Saler. We just showed them, like the first thing
Speaker 1: I did with Q when I went to La and
Speaker 1: we finally agreed, I said, fuck, all this is that,
Speaker 1: the bells whistles, Pyro and all this stop by that
Speaker 1: CBS shot, pick up a ninety nine sent notebook. I said,
Speaker 1: that's where it all starts. Bro, simple things. I'm not
Speaker 1: teaching Cube anything. It's like, listen, don't don't try to
Speaker 1: do shit overnight. Don't try to change overnight, and do
Speaker 1: what we do. You can morph there on your own,
Speaker 1: trying not to say the same thing twice. You're not
Speaker 1: making an extended single. You're making an album. Make some
Speaker 1: records that people like, but make a couple of records
Speaker 1: that some shit. Hey, Cube took it to the hill.
Speaker 1: He's like, you love to hate, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, just don't always try to please
Speaker 1: because hip hop is also you know, if you have
Speaker 1: a boardroom or record company, they're always trying to get
Speaker 1: motherfucker's just be on their knees and like love me,
Speaker 1: love me, and hipop has gotta also be like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck if you don't like none
Speaker 1: of this go to the opposite. Yeah, my job, my job.
Speaker 1: But see, to me, it's been like almost to a
Speaker 1: point of like like disservice, Like I'll be like, I
Speaker 1: hope you hate the ship, so I an beat your
Speaker 1: ass with the ship. I mean, there was nothing appealing
Speaker 1: about public enemy music, nothing, nothing kind of public. It
Speaker 1: was like it was just a total contrarian thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: we want you to not like this shit, but we
Speaker 1: we leave the spot because we said loving and hate
Speaker 1: is the same emotion, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Once you once you're flatlining and you're in the middle
Speaker 1: of the road, and you kind of pleasing, you kind
Speaker 1: of not pleasing. I don't want to fit nobody, and
Speaker 1: you're in the middle. You unnoticed, especially back then you
Speaker 1: playing with a bunch of acts. If your ship ain't
Speaker 1: Poppa you sent, you're gonna be sent back home. And
Speaker 1: and then being sent back home is the worst thing.
Speaker 1: I remember a couple of groups got sent back home
Speaker 1: and they were kicking rocks in the summertime, man, and
Speaker 1: like New York is not the place to be if
Speaker 1: you know, if Boper is out there on the road
Speaker 1: and on the tour. So one thing led to another
Speaker 1: long story short about que did America's Most wanted um
Speaker 1: he felt I had to I had to leave out
Speaker 1: at the end of the productions and head off on tour.
Speaker 1: But in twelve weeks the bomb squad did you have
Speaker 1: a black planet? They'll bid the vote wow, And then
Speaker 1: America's Most won it. I didn't know Bellot and then
Speaker 1: the Cube was staring into the stratosphere after that, and
Speaker 1: then once Cuba and that was that. The production was
Speaker 1: genius on America. No, but once Cuban Jenis got it
Speaker 1: and that particular style, man he came out with that
Speaker 1: kill Kill, that will ep and my favorite record the
Speaker 1: Cube was jacking verbe. Was there any slack from the
Speaker 1: East Coast for like just accepting a West Coast artist
Speaker 1: at that time it was a low interpretation, but you know,
Speaker 1: like at the same time, it's gotta asked what that
Speaker 1: word me. I'm sorry it was at you. We don't
Speaker 1: get but still still the advantage see us get in sidewinder,
Speaker 1: it's good a side comment for a second. Bring me
Speaker 1: back though, bring me back. But in this country, the
Speaker 1: arrogance of like when they look at people who are
Speaker 1: multi lingual, they look at them the lesser than when
Speaker 1: most people in this country no fucking one barely one
Speaker 1: one language. They don't even speak the King's language. So
Speaker 1: when they're like, oh, yeah, I got this work of
Speaker 1: working for me, but they don't know no English, the
Speaker 1: fuck they know four languages. Man, they have an advantage
Speaker 1: over you, and you have a disadvantage. That's only I
Speaker 1: was growing up. I always thought black was advantage. You
Speaker 1: know why, I said, shit, I know everything about everybody,
Speaker 1: but they don't know shit about me. I'm gonna you know,
Speaker 1: I got I got them. I'm gonna go wherever I
Speaker 1: want to go. It's like almost being on the court,
Speaker 1: but knowing that you could go on both sides of
Speaker 1: both hands. It's like like they didn't stopped me to
Speaker 1: the hoop. And that's why we try to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: this knowledge, wisdom and understanding. You're not gonna get into
Speaker 1: that microwaves, but you could get it like to the
Speaker 1: point where it works to your advent. Now everything people like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I know who black people are because all I got
Speaker 1: I got nothing but rap songs and so therefore, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're getting you're getting one side and you think
Speaker 1: you know us, well, you don't know my mom's struggle.
Speaker 1: You don't know my aunt's you know, middle name and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So let's grow together and stop act
Speaker 1: like you know everything about us before you selling market
Speaker 1: to us. Oh, we got them figured out, because what's
Speaker 1: going to happen is that they're going to say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we ain't got you, oldhead, old gee, you
Speaker 1: on the way out. We got your grandkids anyway, because
Speaker 1: we have programmed them to go where we want them
Speaker 1: to go and believe what we want them to believe.
Speaker 1: That's why you always have to have the legacy of
Speaker 1: at least old jeans. They can't be measured by by money.
Speaker 1: The money is a construct man, just like race is
Speaker 1: a construct. But we have to understand the truth in
Speaker 1: the matter is that the darker people of the Earth
Speaker 1: and these present times and talking the last two under
Speaker 1: three hundred years, we have been a disadvantaged and ostracized
Speaker 1: for different reasons. And when we got to come up
Speaker 1: out of that and order in order the quest to
Speaker 1: just say, accept us as a part of the human race.
Speaker 1: There's no no such thing as alien from another planet.
Speaker 1: But it's a come up and we deserve the right
Speaker 1: to come up and be respected. So m you know,
Speaker 1: you could throw some some some some what when you
Speaker 1: call it lie in the wash? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: l y E and the wash, And it could corrupt
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. So it's always you know,
Speaker 1: what's constant elevation, man, That's all it's about. So anyway,
Speaker 1: what was the part I said? I didn't want to
Speaker 1: getting lost? Q okay Q. So it's a simple fact
Speaker 1: of the matter. Q went into the stratosphere. After that,
Speaker 1: he came to New York And when Q played the
Speaker 1: Polo in nineteen ninety after the Boy Man, he came back. Man,
Speaker 1: imagine what. Yes, I'm surprised Apolo was still standing man,
Speaker 1: because he did. When I forgot what it's his set,
Speaker 1: I forgot what it said was Jacko fin Beings came
Speaker 1: in ninety one. I'm gonna tell you how I know
Speaker 1: New York was probably probably the hardest place to play ever.
Speaker 1: Was when I got a call from Big Boy from
Speaker 1: Outcast one time and Big Boy said, can you come
Speaker 1: with me to the tunnel? And I said why. He
Speaker 1: was like, I just want to New Yorker to stand
Speaker 1: And they were ten million at the time. I don't
Speaker 1: even think I was gold, so I didn't even like
Speaker 1: I didn't know the the needs and older was was
Speaker 1: just there a big boy and we just stood on stage.
Speaker 1: But New York would not throw a bottle or no,
Speaker 1: not because I was actually present, I didn't know that
Speaker 1: was a cheek call. Yeah, originally didn't matter the big
Speaker 1: boy at Atlanta. If people from out of town knew that,
Speaker 1: they knew that. Listen, you know New York we just
Speaker 1: well crazy shit is I remember Jay telling me this story,
Speaker 1: and this is recently when we sat down with him
Speaker 1: and Jay said, Jay said, he said, I always um
Speaker 1: think about the out of towners, who out of towners
Speaker 1: think that it's New York that hates on them. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: we hate on each other. He said, Biggie got throw
Speaker 1: on the same bottle that I got, and it looks
Speaker 1: like it's like but the al of towners don't know that.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And this is a long
Speaker 1: song conversation that we have on drink chances. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people thought that New York was arrogant, and
Speaker 1: what they didn't realize was it was just the attitude
Speaker 1: that we had to Well, I told you, because we
Speaker 1: have the debate that like for us in Miami, and
Speaker 1: I think other regions felt industry wise, I always say,
Speaker 1: it's not the people in New York. The industry that
Speaker 1: was centralized in New York was being very it was
Speaker 1: very New York centric too, and I'm talking about hip
Speaker 1: hop wise. They weren't letting people in and that's what
Speaker 1: people were getting kind of angry the South. That's why
Speaker 1: you know the Jay Princes and the death throws and
Speaker 1: everybody started to come up to come back that and
Speaker 1: even cast statement. Yet one of the first, even an
Speaker 1: outcast statement when when when they um won the award,
Speaker 1: the South has something to say, it felt like they
Speaker 1: were saying New York ain't only it, Well, yeah, better
Speaker 1: they better listen Publican me was the first that actually
Speaker 1: in the brain. The Noise Tour in nineteen eighty eight
Speaker 1: was the first group that not only we had to
Speaker 1: break the molde to break the mode was like everything
Speaker 1: up to them was groups coming out of New York
Speaker 1: on the summertime. You had to what the fresh Fest
Speaker 1: in the eighty four eighty five, I mean the fresh
Speaker 1: Fest Philling Arenastball Tour in nineteen eighty seven, and then
Speaker 1: before that you had Raising Hell in nineteen eighty six
Speaker 1: on dmc l cou J Beastie Boys, you know, boom
Speaker 1: so they you know, everything was summertime, summertime, summertime. And
Speaker 1: eighty eight they had two tours at the same time.
Speaker 1: In the summertime you had the Dope Jam Tour, Eric
Speaker 1: b Rock Kim Big Up to Eric b rod Kim
Speaker 1: kol Mo d Big Up, the mold you know, iced Tea.
Speaker 1: I mean that was like bam everybody. And then on
Speaker 1: the other tour was us run dmc Z, Jeff Fresh Prince,
Speaker 1: that's Will Smith for y'all some of you, some old
Speaker 1: niggas in here too, and also j J fad right,
Speaker 1: and there's two toy So at the end of that year, man,
Speaker 1: we had so much like momentum. It was like we saying, listen, man,
Speaker 1: we could do a two in the winter time and
Speaker 1: they say, yeah, but groups is trying to gear up,
Speaker 1: and Allever I said, you know, we could do a
Speaker 1: two and a winter time and go to each and
Speaker 1: every market that got brewing groups and they market too,
Speaker 1: Shorts from the Bay, Hammage from the Bay, mix a
Speaker 1: lots from Seattle. You know. Luke is from down here.
Speaker 1: The craziest thing ever is seeing Luke put the dances
Speaker 1: on the when w stands home. Wait, wait, come about
Speaker 1: what Luke had? He had? First of all, it's Luke
Speaker 1: the first of all for a big figure up to
Speaker 1: my bro, bro Luther Campbell. Luke Campbell. Let me tell you,
Speaker 1: Luther cab it was the first I'm only stayed the chief.
Speaker 1: He had the chicks turking on the security. We get
Speaker 1: to that story, right, me back to that muster. Campbell
Speaker 1: is the first celebrity house I have stayed in my
Speaker 1: life downy in Miami. This Goopie Days. Um, this is
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety it was you know that was about
Speaker 1: that was more like no, no, no, that was more
Speaker 1: like Luke, Luke's commander, Goopie Days. All right, So anyway,
Speaker 1: so listen, all right, So Luke I was doing this
Speaker 1: this DVD with him, right because before y'all twisted, but
Speaker 1: he was caught up in a political scale on the
Speaker 1: America's most wanted. So we was part of America's most
Speaker 1: wanted the censorship. Wait a minute, No, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what America's most wanted it. Yeah, because because the law
Speaker 1: had you know, the law down here in Dade County
Speaker 1: had Luke up against the wall for censorship, but so
Speaker 1: he needed criminal So so yeah, man, did I take
Speaker 1: your ass? Yeah? It was just Luke moved so much
Speaker 1: music and cultural weight in the South. People like just
Speaker 1: like to say, oh man, Lucas booty and that's it. No, Luke,
Speaker 1: he did a lot, commanded the record industry because nobody
Speaker 1: wanted to South. Nobody wanted to South. It's like that
Speaker 1: bunky ass keep that over there. Luke was the first
Speaker 1: celebrity house I ever stayed in, because I did the
Speaker 1: thing that night and I was like, I'll go to
Speaker 1: the hotel. Luke said stay at my house, you know,
Speaker 1: and the white woman comes out with tea and ship
Speaker 1: like that. I was like, what the fuck? You know,
Speaker 1: Like I'm looking around. It's like it was like, damn,
Speaker 1: they like British right, golf course, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Golf course like the fun right, But you know, I
Speaker 1: mean Lucas the first people we met down here at
Speaker 1: down the Street, right, James James right, and he was
Speaker 1: upset about like, man, listen, I'm doing all this stuff
Speaker 1: down here in New York. Don't know this US at all.
Speaker 1: And me and Daddy O would be people like, come
Speaker 1: on in because the death jam thing didn't leave you passes.
Speaker 1: And then the thing about Luke, I said, he's also
Speaker 1: the first private jet we ever been on. Lest Let's
Speaker 1: see what I tell you. He ran radio book pirate
Speaker 1: radio stations out of suitcases on top of roofs down here.
Speaker 1: I'm like, let me tell you. Listen, listen. Luke promoted
Speaker 1: us in the stadium full of fifty thousand with the
Speaker 1: old Miami Stadium with the Hurricanes and all the play
Speaker 1: the old Miami STATEUM fifty thousand heads up in there, right.
Speaker 1: We got to play a show the same night at
Speaker 1: the Omni in Atlanta. Luke says, listen, man, you fly
Speaker 1: out my private jet up there. I go up to
Speaker 1: the jet. I'm like, what the fuck? Right? And it
Speaker 1: got the same logo that's on the record company on
Speaker 1: the record label. Yeah. I had to touch the plane
Speaker 1: like this. I touched on it, roughed the back. It's
Speaker 1: like what And we flew to Atlanta and headline that
Speaker 1: same night at the Omni they just called the Omni
Speaker 1: back in the day, And we did two gigs in
Speaker 1: one day. And courtesy of Luke's private Brown Luke Skywalker plane. Now,
Speaker 1: the only thing that stopped Luke was once again they
Speaker 1: saw him coming because he had a whole area that
Speaker 1: nobody wanted. Come on. Wrap hip hopped in the South.
Speaker 1: Who the fuck wants Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina,
Speaker 1: you know, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Luke got want them
Speaker 1: bumping ass and Luke would put out the tape and rule,
Speaker 1: and then the companies wanted in. Later on. That was
Speaker 1: the blueprint for who but New York, Yeah, late later on,
Speaker 1: it was a blueprint for master Peak. Yes, but Luke
Speaker 1: and Luke got up where they they came after them
Speaker 1: like take the logo away, you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: I think what's his name, George Lucas and them was
Speaker 1: like you can't you. I was like fuck, And you know,
Speaker 1: that type of shit happened, and then the Lord and
Speaker 1: then the government and all that other ship and then
Speaker 1: I was an opportunity for master P to come up
Speaker 1: in there. And still even master P capitalize on all
Speaker 1: those territories. Nobody went up by that time, around Nor's
Speaker 1: ninety eight, the companies was like yeah, yo, man. Companies
Speaker 1: tried to make what Master Pa offer because they realized
Speaker 1: that the young man there's some gold in them Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama,
Speaker 1: Hill Florida Hills. And they tried to make them a
Speaker 1: deal and Master P was doing so well. Remember you
Speaker 1: said like five hundred ads in the source. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He had his own record stores on
Speaker 1: the West. They tried to make a deal with him,
Speaker 1: and he was like, yo, man, with the fuck, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta come in they and they said, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna finance your competitor there. And that's
Speaker 1: what money they financed his competitor should get real and
Speaker 1: then surrounded it. You know, this is the same old
Speaker 1: you know, and no disrespect to Cass money, but that
Speaker 1: was the game that the majors would play to destroy
Speaker 1: black businesses. You know, it's crazy. I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 1: with you. I went to New Orleans around that time
Speaker 1: where Master P was the ship, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: do a record with a dude I think his name
Speaker 1: was Scott dug He originally bind up being on penalty
Speaker 1: and I remember me being in New Orleans and me
Speaker 1: identifying with the only other Puerto Rican person that was there.
Speaker 1: It was a girl. She had fronts on and she
Speaker 1: was poor Rigan And I said, wait a minute, well,
Speaker 1: I've never seen fronts at that time because we like
Speaker 1: like like New York. We excuse me, we had fronts.
Speaker 1: We didn't have what they have, which whatever it was,
Speaker 1: that was the only different. I was like, what is
Speaker 1: that in your mouth? Pause? And I remember this day
Speaker 1: so perfect. I was. I say, I'm out there, I'm
Speaker 1: out here to meet with what what? What? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: I want to meet with no limit? I want to um.
Speaker 1: And I remember how saying to me, we on that
Speaker 1: cash money right now? And I was like what And
Speaker 1: I kid you not. It wasn't on the radio. It
Speaker 1: was nothing. It was like how you just said they
Speaker 1: funded some totally different sh really like this, Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: we were, you know, it was like, wow, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's Jewish now now I remember it being pushed and
Speaker 1: it was Julie. It was definitely Jewish. It was almost
Speaker 1: like one of those like don't support this, support this
Speaker 1: or this label and you know what I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what you know. I mean, like I said, money to us,
Speaker 1: guy walks out of the room, but what it does,
Speaker 1: and like it's the old game. It's the old game.
Speaker 1: It's like you can put black faces, you could pimp
Speaker 1: black faces, and you can put a black business out
Speaker 1: of business. But I think that, but I think also
Speaker 1: that this this ways to go about certain things. You.
Speaker 1: I think numbers is the soul of a robot, and
Speaker 1: the human beings have a post that we need to understand.
Speaker 1: Our mistakes are is our mistakes. But bigger is not
Speaker 1: always better. And sometimes you can make better and keep
Speaker 1: it like this and and and be able to drive
Speaker 1: that small vehicle a long distance. Sometimes the big vehicles
Speaker 1: run out of gas. A better version of yourself in
Speaker 1: a more compact situation. And I think that's the beautiful
Speaker 1: thing about art, because you know it could be anything
Speaker 1: in license. You can license to ill. That's why that
Speaker 1: did the dude that did Delbert his name Scott Adams.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to be doing a reverse plug here,
Speaker 1: but he got caught in in in a scandal when
Speaker 1: he started coming off out the mouth of like stay
Speaker 1: away from black people and all that. And I said,
Speaker 1: you know he had the license to ill as all
Speaker 1: of the if you just had Dilbert do all that
Speaker 1: people would have gave a fuck the minute you put
Speaker 1: your face on the camera and start talking to the mic,
Speaker 1: you out of your lane. Yeah, and you know what,
Speaker 1: you ain't nobody compared to your to your product. Your
Speaker 1: character is the one you should have spoken to. That's
Speaker 1: your license to ill the minute you put your face
Speaker 1: on the camera, and that's everybody you know feels that
Speaker 1: now everybody's equipped when the lights in the camera actually
Speaker 1: comes on, yes, y'all, y'all see it. Sometimes you'd be like,
Speaker 1: you know, you think gotta get loosened up because they're
Speaker 1: be like, yo, man, they're on the fuck up? Or
Speaker 1: where's the training in this? Somebody throw you three questions?
Speaker 1: Can you actually catch three questions and throw four back?
Speaker 1: And it's like it's a it's a game there, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And it's an engagement there too,
Speaker 1: So it's not trained. So a lot of cats feel nervous. Man.
Speaker 1: It's like yo, man, that's but the kids is like,
Speaker 1: it's all right to say you don't know, and it's
Speaker 1: all right to be an owner of what you think
Speaker 1: because you know you could be a slave to what
Speaker 1: you say, So be like, I don't fucking know how
Speaker 1: to move on with that. But a lot of these
Speaker 1: training courses could also do better with having artists have
Speaker 1: like twenty years your careers, thirty year, forty year careers,
Speaker 1: those those casts from Motown. Man, I mean you just
Speaker 1: had Oley Brothers on. Seriously, Ronald Osley said here, it's like,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you start? It's like like
Speaker 1: it's incredible and George, oh, George, big up to Aunt George.
Speaker 1: And I was a wonderful interview. Uncle George is like,
Speaker 1: I'm he spoke too. I kept jail. Don't don't follow
Speaker 1: that path. Uncle oh yo, man, uncause everything differently right,
Speaker 1: yeah right, it's Oca has done things that we don't
Speaker 1: even know. He said it and we were shocked. I said,
Speaker 1: did you say this? He said, yeah, man, un I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to get to his crib and we're supposed to
Speaker 1: do some art together, like he said he did. He
Speaker 1: did art on that wall. They paid it over it did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they keep changing, it changed everybody. We had DMX so
Speaker 1: like every couple of months, well like but yeah, he
Speaker 1: just came in the game. Was spray can he just yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got documented. Yeah, we document the screen agent so
Speaker 1: that the work. Yeah. Yeah, So I've been wanting to
Speaker 1: ask you this question, and I've been in rules I
Speaker 1: can ask you, well, I can ask you this question,
Speaker 1: but this is let me ask the question. They can
Speaker 1: come up and stumble in and they'd be fucked up
Speaker 1: and nervous. Yes they do, yes, But this is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite songs of all times. But I've been
Speaker 1: in a situation where I could ask you this questioner,
Speaker 1: I've never asked. I want to know, did you really
Speaker 1: get a letter from the government? Of course wasn't. Here's
Speaker 1: the story. It's documented nine and remember born in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty Yes, Graham, I'm a grandparents crib. You know, southos
Speaker 1: In Park, nineteen sixty seven, in June exactly. You know
Speaker 1: they moved there from Harlem in nineteen fifty five. You
Speaker 1: know the you know, it's documents. You know it's come
Speaker 1: to Queens from Harlem. White flight, you know, wherever black.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta study black migration, black migrations, like, oh,
Speaker 1: we could move there, but white people gonna move out,
Speaker 1: you know, back there because it's like so um nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty seven, boom, June. I'm out of school, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to you know, I'm in first second grade
Speaker 1: something like that. Right. Um, My grandparents also forced the
Speaker 1: parents of the year, so there's always boys around, right,
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen deep. You know it was amazing, like damn
Speaker 1: they feeding eight people at the same time, a big
Speaker 1: bat or whatever. So one of the boys, you call
Speaker 1: him my uncles or whatever. He just got out of
Speaker 1: high school, went to John Bound right, Yeah, you're doing
Speaker 1: this is my whole childhood. Let me just say something
Speaker 1: real quick. By the way, I never went to high school,
Speaker 1: but when I was in I was in df Wiles
Speaker 1: in Sparford, and my mother came to see me and
Speaker 1: I had just got accepted it to John Bown High School.
Speaker 1: And so if I didn't get locked up, I would
Speaker 1: have been in John Bown High School. So you're fucking
Speaker 1: up my whole childhood right now. It was it was
Speaker 1: dead before he was born. I'm just like you built
Speaker 1: up story anyway. Sure enough, he just got out of
Speaker 1: high school. Wow, to walk up to off the walkway,
Speaker 1: fucking military dude. Yeah, uncle goes to the door he
Speaker 1: freshed out of high school, hand him a letter. Dudes
Speaker 1: like I mean the regalia man like us marine man.
Speaker 1: Path gives him that walks right towards his car. They
Speaker 1: were going down to other houses too. I'll picks up letter, right,
Speaker 1: it gives you know, seven years old, You're like, whether
Speaker 1: you fuck you know, move move, move move. I'm like
Speaker 1: jumping up. I remember I ain't e four, I ain't two.
Speaker 1: I'm seven, right going on eight. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I got a little sense about me. I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: nick fan, right, yeah, sure enough. He takes the letter,
Speaker 1: his face drops and he's like, drops that fucking letter
Speaker 1: on the on the table and goes just to the
Speaker 1: fucking backyard me. You know, like, I'm picking it up,
Speaker 1: and I could read a little bit seven you know,
Speaker 1: so so so so, you know, because I couldn't read
Speaker 1: them the big words. But you have been drafted United
Speaker 1: States Marines are route you know through Campler June, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: or route the Southeast Asia Vietnam. Wow, drafted into your summer. Dude.
Speaker 1: You got to be in Cample of June in a week.
Speaker 1: And this is before Ali made these statements on this
Speaker 1: is this is in that period that same man, I
Speaker 1: mean by six sixty seven, man, doctor Martin is the
Speaker 1: King makes a speech that that kind of kicks everybody
Speaker 1: in the stomach, like, oh no, he he's beyond having
Speaker 1: a dream. He's like saying, you know, motherfucked the Vietnam War.
Speaker 1: The day was like tucking that to the back. We
Speaker 1: can't have we can't have, we can't have to dream
Speaker 1: us say this. Yeah, even the even the government and
Speaker 1: the presidents, like I thought, I thought MLK was my
Speaker 1: man whatever. So that was going on. There's no TikTok. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no TikTok. So that was going on. You had Muhammad
Speaker 1: Ali June fourth, nineteen sixty seven. That was going on
Speaker 1: with Mohamma Muhammad two weeks after Brown. All of them
Speaker 1: was in that's the black. I believe that that was
Speaker 1: sixty eight. I got it June June four, ninety sixty seven,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven. I stand corrected Bobby Mitchell and had
Speaker 1: Bobby Mitchell. You had Jim Brown center at the time.
Speaker 1: Was later Yeah, yeah, because because at the same time,
Speaker 1: you know, the only one that had a voice in
Speaker 1: the microphone. This wasn't athletes back back in his head
Speaker 1: like they give him a athlete to mic and then
Speaker 1: pull it back. But Ali wasn't having that. He wasn't
Speaker 1: like that. I'm taking about im driming. I'm pretty all
Speaker 1: due uh to respect and praises to our Allah. Who's Allah?
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, you know, every time, you know,
Speaker 1: every time they want to mess with black folks, they
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna just fuck up your name, like Kip
Speaker 1: Farra Cans. I was like, the fuck is Afara ca
Speaker 1: do it? Like, oh yeah, you know what the fund?
Speaker 1: Who the fuck is Alla Fu. It's like you you
Speaker 1: have more to see, but you gotta be like I
Speaker 1: kim Elijah one, you have grace before I smack you.
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, he got that letter, he dropped it.
Speaker 1: I read that. I was like, yeah, no, he's fucked up.
Speaker 1: He's not going he ain't gonna have a party this summer.
Speaker 1: And back then, you know, Motown's popping, like you know,
Speaker 1: like four times, shake me, wake me, two is over.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Seven rooms are gloom, you know, motoil,
Speaker 1: let's get it popping. You know what I'm saying. Nope,
Speaker 1: he's going up Vietnam the Marine Corps. That yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's where that story came from. And the fact is
Speaker 1: that he and a couple of other uncles came back,
Speaker 1: they got strapped. No couple came back, you know. And
Speaker 1: they used to come back with these purple hearts, and
Speaker 1: me and my brother used to play put them on
Speaker 1: the g I Joes because they didn't give a fuck
Speaker 1: about the goddamn purple heart. This is why I why
Speaker 1: a lot of cats was fucked up, man, A lot
Speaker 1: of cats were sucked up. And when nineteen sixty nine
Speaker 1: seventy seventy one, man seventy to seventy three, because we
Speaker 1: got to go back and forth to cousins of relatives
Speaker 1: in the city all the fucking time, man, and going
Speaker 1: back to the Bronx. Man, it was tough, man, because
Speaker 1: cats is like they backed from Vietnam, cast is shooting
Speaker 1: up of arms, man, and and the thing that that
Speaker 1: that stirred me away from drugs. Man, it was like
Speaker 1: I was like, a look at them and cats a
Speaker 1: shooting in there. I'm like, I don't fuck I mean
Speaker 1: that the whole You know that they destroyed the Bronx too,
Speaker 1: And they destroyed the Bronxes, yeah yeah, yea yeah, but
Speaker 1: Black and Porterbeca y'all lived there, and fuck that. You know,
Speaker 1: we never gonna service it. And fucking y'all. Y'all gonna
Speaker 1: die there, like yeah, it was a war zone and
Speaker 1: this is why. Yeah, yeah, and this is where we're
Speaker 1: back into. You know, when we did the documentary, I
Speaker 1: had to mention them dig up the Laury Bruler, my
Speaker 1: magic partner on that and Kevin Kevin a in the house,
Speaker 1: you know, and Dominique Um listen um, the BBC PBS series,
Speaker 1: Uh like the power Dig up to Asley Brothers for
Speaker 1: sparking that that whole thought how hip hop changed the world,
Speaker 1: important words the world. But out of that seed, out
Speaker 1: of the Bronx, it was just in franchise left for Dead,
Speaker 1: out of that seed of you know, it rose like
Speaker 1: a rose out of the ashes, like a phoenix. It's
Speaker 1: like people that had to do something. And big up
Speaker 1: to the Grandmaster cash Man, pick up to the Grandmaster
Speaker 1: Flash Bambar a cool hrk you know all the cats
Speaker 1: in the beginning. Man, that's just made something out of nothing,
Speaker 1: man and I want to do't call it nothing, but
Speaker 1: it was left foot dead and we have to also
Speaker 1: the key thing is this, we can never ignore the
Speaker 1: context of time. Time has its context. A lot of
Speaker 1: things we're in the fast forward go on and check
Speaker 1: it out on YouTube, check it through the screen. The
Speaker 1: reasons why our books stand up because books appear on
Speaker 1: your own time, Like I don't understand this ship. We'll
Speaker 1: take your time and saw it down to the context
Speaker 1: whenever you read through a phone and digital man to
Speaker 1: cold appear and disappear. How many casts you know always
Speaker 1: got got by three card money? Now you see it?
Speaker 1: Now you don't underneath the clam and the crab, you know,
Speaker 1: cats is like, whoa, that's what social media is. I
Speaker 1: got you what you thought you saw. You probably didn't see. Man,
Speaker 1: do you think, oh say you thought you saw it right?
Speaker 1: Maybe you did. Maybe I'll give you something else instead,
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, and they got you shaken to the lights.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. You know like that, digital appears and
Speaker 1: disappears at somebody, somebody else's behest. Now we're in the
Speaker 1: time where people are attacked and attached to their gadgets,
Speaker 1: and I make Nolan, I give no slander on scholars
Speaker 1: on scholarship, you know why if we want to read, right,
Speaker 1: what's the deal? We read what we like to read.
Speaker 1: We're not fucking around with shit. We don't want to
Speaker 1: what we don't want to read. Scholars read every fucking thing.
Speaker 1: They mostly read the fucking, the fucking bad, and the ugly,
Speaker 1: and they read the good and they process it. That's
Speaker 1: why you can't have a conversation debate with a scholar,
Speaker 1: because the scholar read the pro con in the middle
Speaker 1: side to come up with understand the perspective, right, the
Speaker 1: only thing you can do. It's like, yo, by the fucker,
Speaker 1: I can't fuck with you, you know, say that because
Speaker 1: like even in sports, it is based on a fact,
Speaker 1: it's not really based on opinion. When we start talking
Speaker 1: about the arts, we kind of get into the world
Speaker 1: of taste, what makes you like distaste and that taste
Speaker 1: versus in the world. But then you go and if
Speaker 1: somebody through, if somebody threw you some chief ship that
Speaker 1: hurts you in the fucking morning, that right, So then
Speaker 1: they g I don't have mimosas. So taste is a
Speaker 1: charting thing when it comes down to the art. But
Speaker 1: also we should have a broad vision where art is
Speaker 1: before we grade what art should be. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But it's a it's a it's a custom taste,
Speaker 1: you know, And scholarship. When people have a debate about
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. Man. I think we should
Speaker 1: hold scholars in high regard, man, because like I said,
Speaker 1: they spend it most of day time reading that bullshit
Speaker 1: they don't want to read and that they don't want
Speaker 1: to be. And the thing about the speed of of
Speaker 1: inaccurate bullshit out there is beyond what the human mind
Speaker 1: could fucking catch. Because I mean this ship, the speed
Speaker 1: of what ship comes through your phones and come and
Speaker 1: the new and understand this and culture every hip hop,
Speaker 1: every generation is five years, he said. But mister, mister,
Speaker 1: we we like to praise you and give you your
Speaker 1: flowers to your face. Oh man, flowers anything I want
Speaker 1: I want, even if I want you to know the flowers. Listen,
Speaker 1: I want you to know how these are flowers. Okay, flowers.
Speaker 1: I like that. Flowers. Yeah, well I got It's like
Speaker 1: a Grammy sounds like this from you. She's dropping me
Speaker 1: all the way. Because we want you to really understand, man,
Speaker 1: this is special. We want you to understand how important
Speaker 1: you are to the culture, to to us. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: the world you are. You are a teacher, you are
Speaker 1: you are our scholar. How about that? Wow? Man? Those
Speaker 1: other scholars is nice? Wow? Yeah, man, I mean and
Speaker 1: you said it earlier. You said you said you ain't
Speaker 1: going to church or whatever, but no I ain't. If
Speaker 1: you were to open up a church, If you were
Speaker 1: to open up a church, I bet me be the
Speaker 1: first two people to sign up. Actually, hold up, Hold up,
Speaker 1: because we need to talk about the hip hop Union,
Speaker 1: because that is the first thing way to say. You're
Speaker 1: gonna kicking me out already. No no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1: We getting drunk. You ain't gonna drink. Make sure make church.
Speaker 1: He's good, make sure she's good. He had a drink.
Speaker 1: There's bathroom breaks and whatever you want. Let me go
Speaker 1: back to the fight the Power thing. You all listen
Speaker 1: the first in Fluorid the reason when will fight the power?
Speaker 1: We were commissioned to do that song? Or Spike Lee, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because a lot of times you don't like, yo, what's crazy?
Speaker 1: What's crazy? Last year with the Elvis movie Man, I
Speaker 1: got Yo, Man, it was like Elvis trolls everywhere. Man,
Speaker 1: So Captain's coming at me, like yo, Chuck Man looking
Speaker 1: at me sidewise, Why the fuck you do that to Elvis?
Speaker 1: Someone was a herold the most screen ag. So you
Speaker 1: saw a movie, So you saw a movie, got all
Speaker 1: sensitizing shit. Now you coming at me? What I said,
Speaker 1: the line wasn't elvits What was the line? Elvis? Was he?
Speaker 1: But he never meant ship to me. Now listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 1: I'm commissioned to do a song for do the right
Speaker 1: thing right, what's the key area and do the right thing?
Speaker 1: That's jumped ship off my man, Jim Posito radio, No
Speaker 1: there this, there's a theme before that. Jim Carlos Borsito says, Yo, Sun,
Speaker 1: how come ain't no black people in the wall. The
Speaker 1: whole fucking movies about that. You got a company, you
Speaker 1: got a business in a black new a changing black neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You ain't got no black people on the wall. And
Speaker 1: so I was like, Yo, man, the fuck it ain't
Speaker 1: gonna change. That's the whole fucking theme. I gotta write
Speaker 1: a song for the theme of the fucking movie. That
Speaker 1: third verse, basically it's saying, I'm scraping them fucking heroes
Speaker 1: off the goddamn wall. The cats be coming at me,
Speaker 1: and like, oh I didn't know that that that that
Speaker 1: the powers in the movie. That the fuck the beate
Speaker 1: with me about one thing? One thing I know is
Speaker 1: my ship are you gonna know me better than me.
Speaker 1: You might know verses and shit like that I forgot
Speaker 1: because I'm not good on memory. One thing. I'm on
Speaker 1: memory on this is the other thing about me. I
Speaker 1: think if I had a good memory, like for bars
Speaker 1: and shit like that, like like fucking cane and iced
Speaker 1: tea could say sit from fifty years ago. I think
Speaker 1: my head's too forward. Shit. I never had writing block.
Speaker 1: I can't remember ship Man. Take me like eight years
Speaker 1: to remember one fucking verse. But if I did have
Speaker 1: a fucking memory, I'd be the greatest motherfucker of all time.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know, I'm up in a hundred,
Speaker 1: so I'm all right. But if I don't have a
Speaker 1: good memory. But as far as facts and picture memory
Speaker 1: of the events, it's just crystal fucking clear. El Me
Speaker 1: was coming at you, yo, Yo, they were coming at
Speaker 1: me like yo. I saw the movie Man, and I'm
Speaker 1: on fucking butter heard. I'm like the fuck man. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what happens in this movie? I don't understand. They're
Speaker 1: just saying it made them like Elvis the movie Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and me I'm a music historian, Okay, Yes, Elvis had attributes.
Speaker 1: I've seen you give props to in times, badass white boy,
Speaker 1: right people whatever. But at the same time I'm talking
Speaker 1: about I was sixties, in the seventies. We'd drunk on
Speaker 1: Elvis and all you gotta do is look for black people.
Speaker 1: Look up black people in commercials in the sixties and
Speaker 1: the seventies, and how many fun It's like society happened,
Speaker 1: and we was a part of that motherfucker at all.
Speaker 1: We've always part of the news. It's like so and
Speaker 1: so got arrested and throwing in the squad garb of
Speaker 1: the fucking first ten minutes of the news were in
Speaker 1: that motherfucker. You don't see black people at the end
Speaker 1: of the news, not even in the weather, no commercials,
Speaker 1: maybe on the ball field and shit like that. They
Speaker 1: wasn't given them the mic. They were afraid of Ali.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Dave Parker, people like Reggie I remember Reddie
Speaker 1: Jackson first comes to New York. Is like he's a
Speaker 1: problem because he talks to fucking But when you keep
Speaker 1: asking the questions and shit was like, you know, can
Speaker 1: I tell you how much as a growing black young man,
Speaker 1: I was insulted by society. I was fucking insulted. But
Speaker 1: but you know what I said, it was my advantage.
Speaker 1: You keep thinking I'm a dumb motherfucker man really seriously,
Speaker 1: and that's why when hip hop came about and I
Speaker 1: heard people like Starsky, I heard, I heard Mellie mell Man,
Speaker 1: I thought, yo man, he he dropped from god Man,
Speaker 1: I said, I never heard nobody, no Mellie mel before records.
Speaker 1: Man killed Mellie mel and Flash the Furious two three
Speaker 1: mcnes and Ryan Heman. Yo Man, I I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the first MC and this is the
Speaker 1: Mellie mel moment, right, A bunch of mail stories up
Speaker 1: in here. But I'm a trunk kate and trunk kit
Speaker 1: means condensed, compressed. I didn't know that. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I moved in, um yo, Mellie mel Man. You know,
Speaker 1: I used to like how rap was before records, keep
Speaker 1: the party moving. I like to be broadcasting. I saw
Speaker 1: Marv Albert was very much a hero because the way
Speaker 1: I used to hear how he broadcasts, not just say Marvel,
Speaker 1: Marv Albot man mar everybody. He would be like, I mean,
Speaker 1: he would those styling man, That's what I heard. I
Speaker 1: would he would, you know, he though styling is vernacular,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, and just a flow
Speaker 1: because you gotta you gotta flow. When you announced basketball games, man,
Speaker 1: and I was like that I wanted to become a sportscaster.
Speaker 1: But then hip hop came and I said, Dan, that's
Speaker 1: sort of like the same ship. So I used to
Speaker 1: go down to the parks and just kind of like
Speaker 1: be on the sideline just talking shit right and pass.
Speaker 1: It's like oh right, boom, And then hip hop came.
Speaker 1: I'm like wow. So I would go to advance, Man,
Speaker 1: and everybody just thought they could rhyme at seventy nine
Speaker 1: and seventy eight. For some reason, they couldn't. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you try to get your dance on ye and the
Speaker 1: worst thing is somebody on the terretators that can't fucking
Speaker 1: DJ and somebody on the mic they can't can't mc MC,
Speaker 1: I mean that you had to rhyme. Maybe you had
Speaker 1: to move the crowd, make an announcement at the door
Speaker 1: and some ship, you know, but move that ship, you
Speaker 1: move your car, whatever you had. The MC had to
Speaker 1: keep that party a couple of plays. I would go, Man,
Speaker 1: especially at the colleges, Man, and I'll be like, you
Speaker 1: know what, man, I'm gonna get on the mic the
Speaker 1: sit these motherfucking whack motherfuckers down so we don't stop
Speaker 1: fucking my dance ship up. And that's when Hank saw
Speaker 1: me at one of the colleges and said, Yo, man,
Speaker 1: we need an MC. I'm like, I just want to
Speaker 1: go to the parties and do the flyers. Man, I
Speaker 1: don't want to it. And then that became a whole
Speaker 1: another thing, man. So that's what got me jumped off.
Speaker 1: But the first MC that I ever heard on the
Speaker 1: mic in live and Living Color, that really fucking blew
Speaker 1: me away. No, Mellie Mel, Yo, man, Mellie Me. Mellie
Speaker 1: Mel's first when people came a recording artist, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: called Mellie Mel Will Chamberlain because between Mellie Mel and
Speaker 1: the second dude, and you can say it's Kaz or
Speaker 1: Moldi or whatever, Mellie Mel is like world Chamberlain. Man,
Speaker 1: fifty points a game on your point game, It's like
Speaker 1: he up here in the second and the third, the
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth is down there. He had the longest,
Speaker 1: the widest gap or the best and the next best
Speaker 1: to me my personal opinion, ever And then he had
Speaker 1: a dude on the turn tables. That was just fucking
Speaker 1: Mellie mellon flash. But we shouldn't even really well, just
Speaker 1: went vibrale because he said that. He said that he
Speaker 1: believes that Eminem wouldn't be that great because he I
Speaker 1: don't want to miss call and he said Kendrick rid
Speaker 1: doesn't resonate with people or something like that. Ten generations
Speaker 1: and hip hopping wrap. Every generation got this thing. Um
Speaker 1: and Mellie Mel's generation. I think there was no gap.
Speaker 1: He was. The gap was so far between him and
Speaker 1: the next cat. MODI would admit that and ship say
Speaker 1: what the fuck? I was a second and fucking Melons
Speaker 1: on the mountain. But Eminem and Black thought, big up
Speaker 1: the Black thought and the roots and also Eminem cyborgs. Man,
Speaker 1: they cyborgs and computer and but let me tell you this,
Speaker 1: we can't also get caught up because you know, you
Speaker 1: got future generations and then you got people who ain't
Speaker 1: going to even get on the register who was so dope,
Speaker 1: like sky Zoo it's so dope, was saying out right now,
Speaker 1: Scots was so dope. But it's just like so many
Speaker 1: as a trillion mcs out there. So Cass is going
Speaker 1: into their style. But here's here's what we could get
Speaker 1: a little USA arrogant and let me tell you, and
Speaker 1: they confuse average what you was talking about earlier, the
Speaker 1: confusion of arrogance and confidence and swag and audacity and
Speaker 1: moxie and all that shit for a long period of time.
Speaker 1: Wherever you were in the world, when the New Yorker
Speaker 1: walks in the room, do you feel it? They said
Speaker 1: we were cocky. They said we were cocky. We just
Speaker 1: said that. Wherever you go on the planet Earth, when
Speaker 1: the New Yorker walk in the room and you ain't
Speaker 1: from New York and be like, oh, here coming that
Speaker 1: New York ship. But we don't mean it. That's what's
Speaker 1: fucked up about it. We don't actually need it, don't
Speaker 1: don't it a certain confidence? I know you, I don't
Speaker 1: mean it, but I'm but let me give you some
Speaker 1: relevance because the USA is make the same arrogant move
Speaker 1: to the rest of the world, right smell if you
Speaker 1: from the USA. And in fact, number one, if you
Speaker 1: call themselves Americans, like nobody else can the America since
Speaker 1: you America could ri be American, South America, Bolivians now
Speaker 1: American too. Now that to account, because we really the
Speaker 1: fucking Americans. That's the same motherfucker checking everybody to speak English,
Speaker 1: everybody mean by the British to say all y'all getting
Speaker 1: the fucking shit wrong. I'll tell you, I'm sorry, you
Speaker 1: got Listen, I don't know. I tell you the funniest ship.
Speaker 1: Excuse me. Whenever I see somebody who's like racist a
Speaker 1: little bit, I always say to them, you know, we
Speaker 1: should go to Europe together, because in Europe we're all Americans.
Speaker 1: They hate us equally. Like the only time I've ever been,
Speaker 1: and this is real shit, the only time I ever
Speaker 1: like felt like like America was accepted. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: honest with you, this is when Obama was in office.
Speaker 1: When Obama is in office, it was like America, you
Speaker 1: guys are pretty cool. But then when Trump got back
Speaker 1: in office, oh yeah, oh yeah. When when Trump was
Speaker 1: in office, that was the end of whatever was left
Speaker 1: the black of the black card that we used to get.
Speaker 1: Going back in the morn, we traveled the world. Listen man,
Speaker 1: our first tour we traveling. Let me let me tell
Speaker 1: you travels. I got fifty books in me only put
Speaker 1: out ten. I got forty to go, I gotta figure
Speaker 1: this one out anywhere, because I got stories listening. We
Speaker 1: playing in Germany, West Germany at the time. No, that's
Speaker 1: that's West too, that's West Germany. Were playing in West Germany,
Speaker 1: but we traveled on the bus and we got to
Speaker 1: play Berlin. Now, listen, you you love postmodern Berlin. This
Speaker 1: is now in order to get from the line at
Speaker 1: the end of West Germany, you gotta take this one
Speaker 1: motherfucking road to West Berlin, which is in the middle
Speaker 1: of East Germany. But it's flit into two areas. So
Speaker 1: the minute you get to the fucking line, be that's it.
Speaker 1: Four o'clock in the morning. They waking your ass up
Speaker 1: with dogs and flashlights. Who know, the machine guns and
Speaker 1: machine guns in your fucking face, and what do you do?
Speaker 1: You know what I was like, we concert music, black people,
Speaker 1: It's like, it's your ass, every single one of your
Speaker 1: asses off the bus in the middle and three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning and Skippy's man, and we're gonna look
Speaker 1: in your eyes and see if you're lining up with
Speaker 1: the passport to take this one ass road to West Berlin,
Speaker 1: and don't straight to get off this motherfucking road. Wow,
Speaker 1: you go to West Berlin and you see a wall
Speaker 1: bob wire and dividing the city in half. I performed
Speaker 1: in West Berlin one time next to a Nazi club.
Speaker 1: I went outside the smoke a cigarette by eightiot that
Speaker 1: I was, and you ever feel somebody looking at you
Speaker 1: and you know they're looking at you, And I turned
Speaker 1: it all smoking a cigarette and every one of these
Speaker 1: guys had the ostica And one year was that that? Okay?
Speaker 1: So that was that was That was ten years after
Speaker 1: the war, So it was it was fully integrated. Both.
Speaker 1: The thing about it, everybody from the East Berlin side,
Speaker 1: the former phil Curtains, the Soviet well as they call
Speaker 1: communists socialist side. You know, we're like, okay, listen, we're
Speaker 1: supposed to be one Germany now, but I ain't got
Speaker 1: no fucking leg up. You know, y'all from West Germany
Speaker 1: got money in the bank, We got like a driver
Speaker 1: taxi cab for five hundred years to be able to
Speaker 1: get an apartment. So you had a lot of that
Speaker 1: shit going on with to your damn right. Nazis was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're not gonna be loud about this ship,
Speaker 1: but we need to bring Germany back Germany great again. Right,
Speaker 1: So back then, it's like we got fans on the
Speaker 1: other side of the Berlin wall. They want to come
Speaker 1: to the gig, but at the wall, the motherfucker's like this,
Speaker 1: you get a bad case of the deads. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, All that fight, the power of shit
Speaker 1: fucking stops right here. And this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Wherever you go, you can't be like wearing. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm American. It's like what part of America
Speaker 1: you're a US ayer? So we gotta kind of like
Speaker 1: tone down and once upont of the time, we didn't
Speaker 1: have a black card, because we had a black card
Speaker 1: because because people recognize I struck, Oh yeah, Marl Luther
Speaker 1: King that killed Malcolm X. Y'all. Motherfucker's the rebels. You know,
Speaker 1: you're invited any year. Then later on when President Obama
Speaker 1: and I call him president, I don't call him Barack
Speaker 1: like people think they know him by name. What the fuck?
Speaker 1: You know? President Obama came in. I knew that shit man,
Speaker 1: all right, he's president. Half of that black card disappear
Speaker 1: because now he's the president in States. He ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be the president of black people's president of the United States.
Speaker 1: What does that do for you, Chuck? You get a
Speaker 1: chance to buy some time four years. We get a
Speaker 1: chance to buy the time to go to where we
Speaker 1: gotta get in the world do order to connect with
Speaker 1: our people. The diaspora is very important. The diaspora is
Speaker 1: black brown people around the world. You know, it really
Speaker 1: is the human race. But we gotta say black folks
Speaker 1: around the world where it's like, okay, population, this is
Speaker 1: what thirteen or fifteen percent, I don't ever know where
Speaker 1: the two percent means black people in the United States
Speaker 1: of America? Right, what does that mean? You outnumbered? So
Speaker 1: you got to connect with the days. You can't have
Speaker 1: no differences. Sometimes you might have to say, you know,
Speaker 1: I got to get an idea from this cat that's
Speaker 1: in Swaziland, and I gotta connect with this cat. We
Speaker 1: got gadgets, we got computers that they're able to sit,
Speaker 1: better computers than they had when they sent something to
Speaker 1: the moon. And I ain't gonna get into that conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory either or whatever. I'm not even getting that because
Speaker 1: I having conversations with people that think they've been there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you were point in nineteen ain't he want
Speaker 1: the fuck it was the director. They said that he
Speaker 1: did as the first person of green screen. Hey, the
Speaker 1: model with me, I believe you know my motto, I
Speaker 1: believe everything and nothing at all. You believe everything, everything
Speaker 1: and nothing to fuck at all? This model as it rolls,
Speaker 1: I gotta like evaluate this, sit with it a while.
Speaker 1: I sit it to the side, like you know, I
Speaker 1: get back to that later. Man, I'm not gonna tell
Speaker 1: you what I believe or not believe. I gotta do
Speaker 1: some evaluation before your ass tried to tell me what
Speaker 1: it is. So, I mean, the point that I'm saying
Speaker 1: is that that you know in this in this way
Speaker 1: to go around the world. I just think that we
Speaker 1: could be more aware. I mean, this place is in
Speaker 1: the world. Seriously, we're playing We're playing Taiwan where they say, shit,
Speaker 1: you didn't see that. You say that. They said in
Speaker 1: the war, when you hit the airport, anything boy in
Speaker 1: this country pelts death. Yeah, I didn't read that. They
Speaker 1: kept my ass in the airport. I had a sword
Speaker 1: that we use on the stage. Yeah, left me. Where's James?
Speaker 1: The little dudes had me in the corner and says
Speaker 1: you cannot bring this. They have a smile on their face.
Speaker 1: None of them matters. They had machine guns. Little dude.
Speaker 1: I went the signal bare. I went to signal bore,
Speaker 1: and when I landed, you can't spit. When I landed
Speaker 1: the signal bore, they put me to the back. I
Speaker 1: thought I had a key lord cocaine. You know what.
Speaker 1: They put me over for cigarettes. It's illegal to buy
Speaker 1: cigarettes if it's not from signal. I think that's where
Speaker 1: they last. There was an American kid. I think in
Speaker 1: the nineties that they gave lashes too for doing graffiti. Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you this. You spit, you go to jail.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this. Know the law. Know everything
Speaker 1: about the law that you go and know exactly. Just
Speaker 1: know that is Understand that. Man, there's two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty countries on this planet. Are twenty twenty two that
Speaker 1: the James recently said, I thought it was two fourteen.
Speaker 1: The place is splitting in the different factions and ship
Speaker 1: know it. I was playing the Jacarta with prophets of raids.
Speaker 1: They got the prophets of raids. Yo. Man. It was like, listen,
Speaker 1: play your songs, do not speak to the audience. We're
Speaker 1: gonna tell you once. I can't say it again, right,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry your songs. Play the song, but don't speak
Speaker 1: to the don't say shit to the audience right now.
Speaker 1: Now here's another thing. How would you do this? You
Speaker 1: just you play your song. I can't say throw your
Speaker 1: hands in the air the audience. No, no, stop the song.
Speaker 1: By the way, I think that you can't be like
Speaker 1: your whole girl in the purple. You look good that
Speaker 1: the line, I mean, we played the basin back in
Speaker 1: the listen. We played in places when it was was
Speaker 1: just for your your ship. But Beijing, I got I
Speaker 1: got lost without effort. After I said, I was looking
Speaker 1: like he's been trying to correct you all day. You
Speaker 1: just his hero. You need this a Mike Tyson ding.
Speaker 1: He just looked at He's like, I'm not correcting the job.
Speaker 1: But my drop, he said, dj Ef, No, he loves you.
Speaker 1: He loves you. Listen as you is he crying in
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Yeah, that's come up with some funny. I'll
Speaker 1: be fucked up trying to. By the way, Ef, it's
Speaker 1: like yall on two different days. It's like fathers. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. Another probles. He goes to crazy Crazy legs
Speaker 1: are right yes, crazy and pick ups the crazy legs
Speaker 1: um one of my hills. Look, man, he said, I
Speaker 1: don't pick up his phone right. Every year he would
Speaker 1: ask me to come to rock Steady. We was on
Speaker 1: tour every fucking year, and I was like, bro, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: and it would be around July, which would go into
Speaker 1: my birthday and it was like, damn man, every year
Speaker 1: and every years on it. I didn't even show up
Speaker 1: to ice CU's Big Three because every year he would
Speaker 1: have at July in August. And that's why I said, finally,
Speaker 1: when the when the locomotive slowed down, I was like,
Speaker 1: now I'm able to see places on my own time. Man.
Speaker 1: It's like, but yeah, big big, you know, apologies and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't pick up a phone. I mean
Speaker 1: I'll be looking at it. I'll be looking at the
Speaker 1: phone and I'm like, I'm never answering this motherfucker whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, so you gotta text me and and I
Speaker 1: could give you or whatever back, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's just what it is. Man. We circle. Man,
Speaker 1: It's like, you know how it is now? You know
Speaker 1: what's crazy hearing you say that? What I just thought
Speaker 1: was I'm not revisiting places that I've been to for performance,
Speaker 1: Like I've been to Hawaii so many times, Honolulu, but
Speaker 1: I went to it for business first, so big even
Speaker 1: I write that first half of this show. But it
Speaker 1: was crazy because I you know, um, I've re visited
Speaker 1: places now that I've only been to for work, right, So,
Speaker 1: like it's so many places like Hawaii or so many
Speaker 1: when somebody paid, oh yeah, because you know, you know
Speaker 1: what they pay you to come to the So now
Speaker 1: what somebody said, can you come in and actually pay
Speaker 1: the fucking flight. You know, it's a totally different thing
Speaker 1: because I remember me actually hating Paris. Like I'm sorry
Speaker 1: for people that live in Paris. I'm sorry y'all. Didn't
Speaker 1: we deal in at first your own listen, your own
Speaker 1: names of what you think. So at first I used
Speaker 1: to go to Paris and I used to be like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here. I no Eiffel Tower,
Speaker 1: nothing attracted me. Right, I met my wife, God bless her.
Speaker 1: My wife said, motherfucker you getting out this hotel room
Speaker 1: and we're gonna motherfucking go, We're gonna eat, we eat
Speaker 1: the brand. I fucking rode a bicycle. I was felt
Speaker 1: fucking retarded. But I was just like, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is culture, Like this is what we're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that being from New York. We want
Speaker 1: to keep on, we want to keep our timberlands on
Speaker 1: in the ocean. We don't break. And it was the
Speaker 1: first time was my wife just was actually showing me that, listen, culture,
Speaker 1: this is this is what you you kind of do.
Speaker 1: But I took all of this for granted. I took
Speaker 1: you from New York. Se how much culture is in
Speaker 1: New York? That have you? Have you visited nothing? I've
Speaker 1: never been in I've never been in the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 1: A lot of New York is when you tell them, like, listen,
Speaker 1: there's so much in New York. You really kind of
Speaker 1: ain't got to go nowhere else, but you got to
Speaker 1: go to New York, none of them listen. You've been
Speaker 1: to my studio. I've had a thirty second in Madison.
Speaker 1: I had a studio across the street from um down
Speaker 1: the block from Empire State Building. I've never had the
Speaker 1: urge of walking in my whole life, right who life?
Speaker 1: People in another country are dying. You know what's crazy?
Speaker 1: This is what this This was crazy. When you go
Speaker 1: to Europe, right, and you speak to someone from Europe, right,
Speaker 1: they always say, because the States, by the way, I
Speaker 1: hate stop calling us the States fucking assholes. Right, this
Speaker 1: is the States. That's more accurate than not saying American.
Speaker 1: But here's here's here's it. If you ever speak to
Speaker 1: someone from Europe they say, so, you say, it's like yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know in the States it'd be like that,
Speaker 1: and I'll be looking at them. I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: so what state have you been to? And then the
Speaker 1: spect to Seattle. But then they'll they'll say something like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've visited Seattle and they went to Seattle for two
Speaker 1: days and they based the whole America office before they
Speaker 1: visit for Seattle. And I'd be so happy to crush
Speaker 1: their dreams and to say you've never been in America, sir,
Speaker 1: But just you've been to Tacoma, but your your culture
Speaker 1: didn't style the first thing you said, douster doff. But
Speaker 1: but but to play Germany, you play eight different places
Speaker 1: because you've you've also employed the Hamburger, right, but pulling
Speaker 1: you place. But the Irish person is going to go
Speaker 1: to one city on the trail Ima go to Hamburg
Speaker 1: and come to fuck. You can't judge Germany over Hamburg.
Speaker 1: You gotta. But that's why artists have the window to
Speaker 1: teach the world to those you know, it is Hamburg, Hamburg, yeah,
Speaker 1: and Frankfort and Frankfort yeah. And I didn't need a
Speaker 1: Hamburger on Frankfort there. That's the license that artists have.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, give us your time and we'll
Speaker 1: give you the world. But you know, some times when
Speaker 1: it came out, I want to give you a black
Speaker 1: side of the world. But everything about us is fucked up.
Speaker 1: It's like, you'll come on. Really, it's like we ain't
Speaker 1: got some We can't even say the word beautiful. That
Speaker 1: was the thing about Kid Lamar. He used a beautiful
Speaker 1: in his vernacular. You know. Uh, Kanye has done things
Speaker 1: like that makes you say, wow, that's just beautiful. You
Speaker 1: ask me about Kanye, I'm like I said this for years.
Speaker 1: I say, well, he started his own religion, and the
Speaker 1: dude is like salvad Or Dolly. Oh shit, that's a good.
Speaker 1: But if you don't know Salvador Dolly, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean I said bars and lyrics. I said, you
Speaker 1: ain't gonna catch up to this ship until you become coaches.
Speaker 1: It's like, but I'm not trying to educate you at fourteen.
Speaker 1: That's somebody who's twenty that you love has got to
Speaker 1: do that job. Me. I'm like, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like me and we were sex egenerians. Man, that's
Speaker 1: our official title. You know you're your sixties man, so
Speaker 1: you should talk about things A beautiful thing man. The
Speaker 1: world is beautiful man. Yeah, but I mean yeah, nature,
Speaker 1: nature will destroyed so much shit. That's the fucking ugly
Speaker 1: aspect of it too. You can spend your time on
Speaker 1: the Weather Channel will always talk about the next disaster,
Speaker 1: but you're giving me a sunny day some goddamn time. God,
Speaker 1: everybody just can't do that. So it's a It's a beautifu.
Speaker 1: Hip hop is such a beautiful for him. So back
Speaker 1: to that that early the hip Hop Alliance Please yes,
Speaker 1: which is hip hop's first union, because I heard that
Speaker 1: you know that that you guys also mentioned that we
Speaker 1: try we try to start it ourselves. We were talking
Speaker 1: about early on, but I'm sure you've been doing it. God, God,
Speaker 1: big up Curtis Blow, who seriously has the longest timeline
Speaker 1: of anybody in recorded hip hop history. He signed the
Speaker 1: first major record contract in nineteen seventy nine. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I think even at seventy nine, they went to look
Speaker 1: and scouted, They try to sign Eddie Cheaper or some
Speaker 1: of the other star warts, and they end up saying
Speaker 1: Curtis Blow is the perfect person. And by no surprise,
Speaker 1: and ain't no accident, you had what Christmas rapper Alan
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, Blow, Yeah, he's hurt Curtis Blow, and
Speaker 1: then you had the breaks so and and then by
Speaker 1: no surprise, if we cast at first doing records, they
Speaker 1: were the best that did it because nobody else was
Speaker 1: doing it at that level. It's no surprise that Grandmaster
Speaker 1: Flash and the Furious Five recorded, you know, first for
Speaker 1: Brazilia in October. Then they did enjoy with Bobby Robinson's
Speaker 1: label super Rapping, because them two was a super rapping,
Speaker 1: super rapping Mellie mel Kid Creole and also free Kid Creole. Please,
Speaker 1: but that's why we have the hip hop SPIONs. Well
Speaker 1: Kid Creole. You had Raheem Mix, Mister saka Scorpio and
Speaker 1: Keith Cowboy, who invented the term hip hop as far
Speaker 1: as the recorder story, Yeah yeah, I mean and each
Speaker 1: one of them MC's the Pulleys and you put them
Speaker 1: together and make five MC sound like one with Grandmaster Flash.
Speaker 1: What it's like, by no mistake, there's like you gotta
Speaker 1: do records so big. All opposite sugar Hill Gang because
Speaker 1: they the first and really it's debatable because King Tim
Speaker 1: the Third was on with playing with Fat Back Band
Speaker 1: with you know, King Tim the Third, which was I mean,
Speaker 1: Fat Back Band was my favorite, one of my favorite groups.
Speaker 1: So when they came out I heard them on w
Speaker 1: KTU in July nineteen seventy nine, I was like, damn
Speaker 1: he rapping and that's something wold. But when sugar Hill
Speaker 1: came out, the thing that puts sugar Hill over the
Speaker 1: edge they rapped on the Good Times, and my god,
Speaker 1: there's never ever, ever, ever been attracted monumental the hip
Speaker 1: hop and rapping like Good Times nineteen seventy nine, nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy nine. Man, the summer nineteen seventy nine hip hop
Speaker 1: was so crazy with Good Times because it was like
Speaker 1: what it's from chic and show good Time record by
Speaker 1: Bye shep Okay, and they were like what they were
Speaker 1: like they got coin disco because they made the Raider
Speaker 1: happened to play in disco. You know, they're quite what
Speaker 1: freak out that before that everybody dance, so they was
Speaker 1: like they weright they So they got kind of like
Speaker 1: coined as a disco band, but they was just a
Speaker 1: badass motherfucking band. And so when they came out with
Speaker 1: Good Times of seventy nine, I remember being at the party,
Speaker 1: you know, and they said this new record by Eddie
Speaker 1: Chievera broke it right. He came out the long aud
Speaker 1: and he said, Eddie, you got this new record by
Speaker 1: Chic you know, and everybody's expecting, like the music be
Speaker 1: up tempo like that. They played Good Times and that
Speaker 1: ship started like that, and we were like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is this country slow shit? Right? He played it
Speaker 1: two more times that night. It's like, okay, she is
Speaker 1: loaded the tempo down to some country funk whatever. But man,
Speaker 1: in two weeks, DJ's got a hold of that motherfucker
Speaker 1: and down to the blank gang Gang Gang Gang, Good
Speaker 1: Times boom boom and that yo. Man, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: you can't even describe how hip hop was in June,
Speaker 1: July and August in nineteen seventy nine. There is no
Speaker 1: explanation for it. There is no and there's one tape
Speaker 1: that's going around, but I called the greatest hip hop
Speaker 1: nighte ever was October nineteen seventy nine. It's out there
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I've played on my radio show a bunch
Speaker 1: of times. Big up to everybody at rap station. Yo, man,
Speaker 1: it's Starsky on the Turntables. DJ Hollywood's Eddie Cheaper, it
Speaker 1: is DJ Divine from Infinity Machine. It's Grandmaster Flash, Curtis
Speaker 1: Blow and Mellie Mell and they are like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: you couldn't take your eyes or your ears off of them.
Speaker 1: But it was inconceivable that somebody would make a rap
Speaker 1: record because even me was I was like, rap record,
Speaker 1: How the fuck are you gonna put rap on the record.
Speaker 1: It's a three hour thing. Man, It's like I was like,
Speaker 1: it's impossible. I was like, impossible, and I I ain't
Speaker 1: no kid, I'm nineteen years old. I'm like, it's impossible
Speaker 1: to make a round. How the fucker. And then when
Speaker 1: King Tim the Third came out like he was like,
Speaker 1: m okay. And then when sugar Hillcad sugar Hill did it,
Speaker 1: it was like, Yo, that's it. And the thing about it, bro,
Speaker 1: that ship was sixteen minutes long. Yeah, the ironic thing
Speaker 1: is why you always got put time in the context,
Speaker 1: the sixteen minutes was not how long it was, It
Speaker 1: is how short they got it. That's short because yeah,
Speaker 1: because they got it down to sixteen minutes. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you that this this, I've said this a few times.
Speaker 1: I was apology getting on the mic to sit whack
Speaker 1: him seats down. They played good Times. I'm rocking the
Speaker 1: fuck out of good times. Right all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I ain't your words behind me, DJ's Larry t Worries
Speaker 1: behind me. So what do you think I did? I
Speaker 1: did the fucking miliev nilly. I kept moving my mouth
Speaker 1: and the crack and I was rocking for fucking twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Remember I was on. I was rocking a good time before.
Speaker 1: So sure enough, man, people were like, damn, changing this voice.
Speaker 1: Even the chicken tastes like boyd all that shit. Right
Speaker 1: at the end, Cats is coming up to me like, yo,
Speaker 1: he's a bad motherfucker. He's just round on and on,
Speaker 1: because back back then he's like he went on and on,
Speaker 1: you know, to the break of dawn, like hot butter
Speaker 1: on the what the popcorn? Right, I'm with non stop run.
Speaker 1: I turned around after people are like left. I looked
Speaker 1: at that and say, what the fuck? But what's that?
Speaker 1: He showed me Red Label Rappers the Light sugar Hill Gag.
Speaker 1: I was like what I was? My brains looked blown.
Speaker 1: The next day, WBLS, this is Frankie Crocker and I
Speaker 1: got a new record by my friend Sylvia Robinson. This
Speaker 1: is called Rappers The Light by the sugar Hill Gag.
Speaker 1: You heard it, you know the city was on fire.
Speaker 1: The city was on fire by the next Thursday when
Speaker 1: I did the thing, castles like you nice Chuck, But
Speaker 1: come on, man, that's how long I've been Robber, I've
Speaker 1: been riding with since they sneak a record behind me,
Speaker 1: got words on it also fuck oh man. But let
Speaker 1: me tell you, man, I can't even I can't even like,
Speaker 1: I can't weigh the magnitude of hip hop before records man,
Speaker 1: and that record Good Times Times just I can't imagine
Speaker 1: it was. It was fucking it was. It was. It
Speaker 1: blew to this day thinking about That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The time, the context of time is everything because you
Speaker 1: can't go back into time the same thing about like
Speaker 1: when when Mellie Mel might say I could get any rapper,
Speaker 1: but well, the thing about you got to hold the
Speaker 1: context of time and time is real. It's like if
Speaker 1: you say, whoa Mellie Mel, Let's say if he wants
Speaker 1: to take on Well, it's exactly. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: number storm not gonna say it right, but but I respect.
Speaker 1: All you gotta do is say, well, Mellie Mel, if
Speaker 1: he was nineteen in nineteen seventy nine and you wasn't
Speaker 1: born yet, then you couldn't compete. That's why when they
Speaker 1: say boxes like put Tysons get Ali, I was saying,
Speaker 1: but when did we start? Did we say when Ali
Speaker 1: is seventy something and Tyson is thirty or dude? Or
Speaker 1: do we do and Ali was twenty and Tyson wasn't
Speaker 1: born yet? He was a zygot and ship. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you so, what do we compare it? Oh?
Speaker 1: You're trying to move time to make that. You cannot
Speaker 1: compare errors. You cannot move time. We don't have much
Speaker 1: changes in that time. The construct. We could dream of
Speaker 1: some shit like you know, like well so and so
Speaker 1: and its prime versus so and so and knit prime, Well,
Speaker 1: how are you gonna know what the prime is is?
Speaker 1: And so it's art, It's it's fun to do these things.
Speaker 1: It's fun to make listen shit like that. Everybody, Oh man, rollers,
Speaker 1: do you think Flavor flags? Yes? Is Boosey's pops. We
Speaker 1: always come with questions of what we think Flavor. I
Speaker 1: felt it, but then when I seen them together, I
Speaker 1: was like, maybe this is not as fun as I
Speaker 1: think the kind of really do. And I love Lucy.
Speaker 1: I love you Bucy. Where we were, I love it.
Speaker 1: But my good brother Nori. When you study the diaspora,
Speaker 1: you know that many of us got twins and triplets everywhere.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, when we first played Ghana, they wouldn't
Speaker 1: let Flavor leave. He had that many kids out there. No, no,
Speaker 1: we don't believe. We won't believe that you're not from here,
Speaker 1: yea like they do. He was, You're not right. We
Speaker 1: had to show hate. I'm not I'm not from me,
Speaker 1: I'm somewhere else. So yeah, they did. He from Ghana too,
Speaker 1: I'm sunny. Yeah, no, he from Haiti from he from Haiti.
Speaker 1: But they don't accept him in Haiti either, right, they
Speaker 1: don't want him at Big Up to Haiti. They kick
Speaker 1: him out of Haiti, but guys hit the whole world
Speaker 1: still man that Haiti? Right, Yeah, it's big up to
Speaker 1: Haiti anyway, Pop Alliance, the chairman caress one up in
Speaker 1: the brasses mc light Curtis blow founded it as could
Speaker 1: I be down. But it's not especially this problem. But
Speaker 1: it's not about like who's at the topic, because now
Speaker 1: it's like the more the better, And you have to
Speaker 1: have people who are concerned about the infrastructure of artists
Speaker 1: who've been in the business a long time, never understood,
Speaker 1: you know, like Okay, I recorded fifteen years ago, twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, Like what does that mean? They got their
Speaker 1: kids grown up? They have no idea what their dad
Speaker 1: even did or better yet, like, how do we it's
Speaker 1: a legacy to be passed down, how do we go
Speaker 1: after it? Who do we go to? Uh? My dad
Speaker 1: did bars, But what does that mean? There's something for everybody,
Speaker 1: trust me. If you don't go get it, somebody gonna
Speaker 1: go get it. Oh yeah, but he only did a
Speaker 1: guest collabor on a feature like nineteen ninety five. You
Speaker 1: don't think somebody is on the tail end of that.
Speaker 1: So the young you know, now I wouldn't just say
Speaker 1: young because that's subjective to man, what is what is young? Man?
Speaker 1: But our people are are or in the business without
Speaker 1: understanding of what this whole business is, which means that
Speaker 1: you have to have people that come along that that
Speaker 1: even aligned by your family or some organization that lets
Speaker 1: you know what what is you know? And that's what
Speaker 1: I think the Hip Hop Alliance UM can do. Number one,
Speaker 1: Really it's in partnership with sag after right, which all
Speaker 1: the time was a perfect that's the biggest play. But
Speaker 1: because Curtis Blow, you know, because is that for actors, right,
Speaker 1: provides that same type actors anybody in because me and
Speaker 1: if I don't know, if I don't know how much
Speaker 1: if it's always been pushing this hip Hop Union because
Speaker 1: I feel like anybody I know how hard it is
Speaker 1: to be famous. It's the worst job in the world, right,
Speaker 1: because you can never take off your mask, Like I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck how many times I could do,
Speaker 1: Like if you could check into McDonald's, you could check
Speaker 1: into construction. Once you take your vest off, you're all.
Speaker 1: I'm never off. None of us is never think about
Speaker 1: doing no crime shit ever, So before cameras don't think
Speaker 1: about like, yo, man, I could do the dirty dirty
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like, yeah, okay, all right, you know
Speaker 1: you got the ID. Everybody's trying to fucking get right.
Speaker 1: So I say I say this to say I always
Speaker 1: felt like it should have been a hip hop union
Speaker 1: for us and and and especially people. And I get it,
Speaker 1: like sometimes you say, well, what if the person didn't
Speaker 1: make it, What if the person didn't go platinum? What
Speaker 1: if the person didn't didn't go go It's even more
Speaker 1: we should take because they had to endure the looks
Speaker 1: of being shown and saying okay, this guy was a
Speaker 1: rapper and he didn't make it, like or even work.
Speaker 1: The one hit wonders, right, the guys that have one hit,
Speaker 1: all the participants, I mean, I mean girls like I
Speaker 1: feel like we should take care of them. I feel
Speaker 1: like it needs to be the home community. I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like I feel like this is me personally.
Speaker 1: If you are participating in something that makes you famous
Speaker 1: and it doesn't actually work for you, I feel like
Speaker 1: we should are. It's in us to take care of that.
Speaker 1: It's in us to say this is inhumane right here,
Speaker 1: because it's so hard to be famous. Man, it's so terrible,
Speaker 1: like like you can't go to CDs. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go to CVS, but I want to get in
Speaker 1: carbone early. So so yeah, so what's up? You look
Speaker 1: at younger? Shit? You fucking this mother? But I feel
Speaker 1: like the Hip Hop Union, by the way, we want
Speaker 1: to sup We gotta support it. We gotta support whether
Speaker 1: just for people seeking fan because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people behind the scenes that are not seeking. I also
Speaker 1: deserve to be taken. That's what the hip hoper Lines
Speaker 1: has done very clearly. It's not based on again with
Speaker 1: the faces that draw it in, but you need infrastructure people.
Speaker 1: This show is built out of also infrastructure, people that
Speaker 1: make it click and make it work. The masses out there.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we confuse confuse, like when it comes down to us,
Speaker 1: they just say the masses they just moved the m over.
Speaker 1: They consider our masses them asses and thinking that we
Speaker 1: ain't masters the masses. They just moved the m over
Speaker 1: to them. At I got bars that passed people like
Speaker 1: taxi cabs eighty six. Let me also ask you you
Speaker 1: sued Universal. I've sued and been sued man. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: it's so many damn I mean in that world. The
Speaker 1: average person has no fucking idea how many times that
Speaker 1: you're it's it's a gunfight. No, but universal? Okay, which
Speaker 1: which which lawsuit was? Because I believe did you sued
Speaker 1: on behalf of hip hop? Yeah? I've been perfect class,
Speaker 1: so okay in my contract, let me relate it to me. Right,
Speaker 1: you've read every page. Never, That's what I'm saying. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you this. When when the average person says, well,
Speaker 1: how come you rappers and read the contract? I said,
Speaker 1: you did the same when you accept on yes, you
Speaker 1: bought a car or whatever, like I just accepted. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm just sorry. Get lawyers if we feel that this
Speaker 1: person we can trust. But yo, man, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: such a thick business. And then you got a contract
Speaker 1: that's like this. And somebody told me, he said, the
Speaker 1: reason that contracts are like this because every single page
Speaker 1: is a fucking lawsuit, right, fuck with children? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: never when your penalty records. Yes, So when I went
Speaker 1: back and I looked at it, nothing digital says anything
Speaker 1: digital about They didn't have any digital rights. There was
Speaker 1: no digit first one that says what. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I just wanted the money we all do it perpetuity
Speaker 1: in the universe territory. It's the world and what the universe?
Speaker 1: How the fuck? Which is the universe? Fucking up? Tuning shit?
Speaker 1: You know they side they're taking your records that you
Speaker 1: put out in Mars. Big up, big up to jay
Speaker 1: Z because jay Z is like our Jupiter. And the
Speaker 1: reason I say Jupiter, it's like, you know, if you
Speaker 1: study the Solar System, Jupiter absorbs all the asteroids, all
Speaker 1: the collisions that would destroy Earth. They don't go because
Speaker 1: he's He's big enough to absorb and protect the Solar
Speaker 1: System with his magnitude, which allows us to fucking do anything.
Speaker 1: God damn, God damn pick up the jay Z. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna people say no, no, no, that It's like shit, man,
Speaker 1: He's gonna absorb all that shit. Ain't no asteroid hitting me. Wow.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm said. With fame, famous, a fake construct,
Speaker 1: there's a famous, a four letter word. I chose to
Speaker 1: tell people. I said, listen, I got a second story.
Speaker 1: I got a second story office in the world of
Speaker 1: the entertainment business where I always could go to the
Speaker 1: penhouse whenever I want to. But I choose to stay
Speaker 1: on the second floor because you could walk up the
Speaker 1: staircase before you catch the speed elevator. Now talk to
Speaker 1: me before you going up there. Sometimes it castle. I'll
Speaker 1: take the speed on the elevator up and then they'll
Speaker 1: see me. I said, I'm gonna go back to the
Speaker 1: second floor, But the speed elevator doesn't go to the
Speaker 1: second floor, goes straight down to the basement, maybe even
Speaker 1: the crash landing. See me before you go up, because
Speaker 1: it tells you how to handle the world. A fucking fame,
Speaker 1: which is a four leather word that is synonymous with
Speaker 1: fade because because it's a false construct, fame has a
Speaker 1: tennessee to fade. It's not it's a false construct. It's
Speaker 1: not really real, and that means it's another four letter
Speaker 1: f word, f A K E. Fame might fade and
Speaker 1: it's faked. And if you don't believe that, you're fucked.
Speaker 1: See me on the second floor. Because I get up
Speaker 1: to the get up to the penthouse whenever I want,
Speaker 1: I don't stay there. I mean I'll be like, who
Speaker 1: you know, man, I'll go back right back down to
Speaker 1: the second floor. That's where I'm comfortable at. But cats
Speaker 1: see me on the way up and there their rise
Speaker 1: and their levels to wherever they gotta be. I applore that.
Speaker 1: I just say, enjoy it, man, I mean, come on, man,
Speaker 1: I mean enjoy enjoy the process of dancing with fame
Speaker 1: because you're better than fame. Fame is a construct and
Speaker 1: you do real art. You're a real thing, so it's
Speaker 1: something that you do. And I think eight listen Man
Speaker 1: sixty two is from six going my sixty thirty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm it's good to be fucking me. No, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be bigger. I don't want to be I
Speaker 1: want to be better always, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: be bigger. I just want to just be me and
Speaker 1: and and be able to continue to help. And when
Speaker 1: I see my man and and and other people my my, my,
Speaker 1: my fam and the group and all that, and they
Speaker 1: have things and they're able to do things, and people
Speaker 1: that work with me, like the Sea Doctor under my
Speaker 1: record label, you know, a flat line and the rap station.
Speaker 1: We just came out with um the Bring the Noise app,
Speaker 1: which is cultural media. It's not social media's culture media.
Speaker 1: So it's the first app and it easy to make
Speaker 1: it Twitter and it ain't no no stay everybody can
Speaker 1: stay at Twitter. They can stay you stay Twitter whatever.
Speaker 1: And it's a funny thing. It's like, you know, back
Speaker 1: in the day, you know, I would have somebody say, well,
Speaker 1: we'll watch it, chucky, you know them people like that.
Speaker 1: I was like the fact, I don't every guy trust
Speaker 1: these things like they know, people like Elon Muskas, Zucker
Speaker 1: Burnley give a fuck. So with me, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not telling people to come along. This is just gonna
Speaker 1: be there. And it's about sam, It's about film, art, music,
Speaker 1: and if you want to put your thing there, will
Speaker 1: co exist. Small little piece of real estate. Won't try
Speaker 1: to be social media, which sometimes you know, like scar
Speaker 1: face pick up the Brad Jordan's scarface. Yeah, he says. Man,
Speaker 1: you know, Chuck Man, you know shit is a sandbox. Man,
Speaker 1: you can't have the strip pole in the sandbox. And
Speaker 1: you told me that. You say, yeah, it's a great idea. Though, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll keep that to yourself. That thinks Dixons and a
Speaker 1: whole other things. It's just like, you know, the poll
Speaker 1: is a good thing, but the sandbox is where kids
Speaker 1: play that part oh you forgot that? Everywhere everywhere today, man,
Speaker 1: It's like it's to me, it's like everybody got the
Speaker 1: listen this ten generations. Man, there ain't no reason why
Speaker 1: fifteen year old ship try to appeal to a twenty
Speaker 1: year old, right, no reason, not not really. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if all forty year old appeal to a twenty
Speaker 1: year old, just be yourself, they come. Cool if they
Speaker 1: don't come. But in social media catches up in a
Speaker 1: they're competing against each other. It's nope, just be who
Speaker 1: you all grow gracefully, embrace aging as opposed you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, death is a real thing. Man. Twitter, now
Speaker 1: I'm in with black Twitter came along. I was like,
Speaker 1: I did you know? And no, no offense because if
Speaker 1: they all come at me a black Twitter, I ain't
Speaker 1: read it anywhere. I'm just saying that Twitter up, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't listen. Listen, we gotta watch these other platforms
Speaker 1: because somehow the platforms, it's like other people are on
Speaker 1: the platform and I'm like, that's like motherfucker's throwing cotton
Speaker 1: each other each other on the fucking plantation. Like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm on that person plantation and now I'm on that
Speaker 1: place the plantation cotton. I built my own platform, and
Speaker 1: I'm like it's whatever. I won't stick to the culture.
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean plantation was a social media man. No,
Speaker 1: we don't need it. Yeah, oh yeah, matter of fact.
Speaker 1: Open So I'll answer you a question. And like I said,
Speaker 1: we're family now. So we've been found white media. Yeah,
Speaker 1: white media. Okay, shit, we didn't know we're going there
Speaker 1: when I did the PBS series. Big up the PBS
Speaker 1: and the BBC commendation. Obviously, I have a long read
Speaker 1: out of obligation. So it wasn't like I was ducky
Speaker 1: or we were circling. Don't work. Listen, you don't have
Speaker 1: to explain it at all the way for your present whenever, listen,
Speaker 1: white involvement everywhere in here, y'all. Was a little mad
Speaker 1: at you. I see you doing the white media. I
Speaker 1: was like, well, what's he doing? Come, come, come home,
Speaker 1: come home, come. I was very pleased, but I can't.
Speaker 1: And I saw the neighborhood. I said, well, at least
Speaker 1: this ship is in the neighbor that I recall a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, down in Miami, right I committed where
Speaker 1: we are right down in Miami. I remember they even
Speaker 1: built Miami Arena in the hood, and said we can't
Speaker 1: have this ship here no more, and they fucking tore
Speaker 1: down That's where one of those sources of words happened
Speaker 1: in old I was like, why would they do that?
Speaker 1: They said, you know what, we can't have our fucking arena.
Speaker 1: Then I said, that's the first place that well, not
Speaker 1: the first places we played, but the first arena arena
Speaker 1: that we played down here where the Heat first. So
Speaker 1: they don't arena. That's how they are, that's who they are.
Speaker 1: Tell us tell us just too highly on you. So
Speaker 1: tell us dj E, tell us dj e, what happened
Speaker 1: with that? They just I don't know if that's to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because now we don't know that. Nobody
Speaker 1: know that you movie the Miami was an old time. No,
Speaker 1: he's talking about the old that was overtown and can
Speaker 1: you passed up shopping because they built up something talking
Speaker 1: about the Miami Arena where the Heat first played. Yeah,
Speaker 1: radio right right there right, Robbie Cyclly, I want the
Speaker 1: Ronnie Cyclly, Yeah, Miami. I think it just became a
Speaker 1: money thing to build a new one, so they had
Speaker 1: to tear it down the old one. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: Something somebody there, you know, I live in Miami our
Speaker 1: local pretty so yeah, he's now. I thought the New
Speaker 1: York was the Foules conrupt his place in the world.
Speaker 1: I was our local government is Miami is paid to
Speaker 1: get on probation out here. This is real, This is
Speaker 1: real alferation. But so we noticed, we noticed. We noticed
Speaker 1: back in the day because Luke had so much power here,
Speaker 1: they hated every every move that Luke would make. And
Speaker 1: Luke was also hip hop. He was in everything. Man,
Speaker 1: he's a pioneer and everything. And I said, damn it.
Speaker 1: But Luke, you know, still made changes. He helps sports
Speaker 1: teams out and he's the person to go to and
Speaker 1: get it by. So yeah, but before we get up
Speaker 1: out here, I need I wouldn't keep it sealed, No,
Speaker 1: man open a couple of days. Look, look, I got
Speaker 1: this ship coming out a lot, and I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not here to sell ship or the place. People's asked
Speaker 1: with the past and shit like that. But this is
Speaker 1: one of my pride. But I got to talk about
Speaker 1: that because that's what I gave y'all. It's my first
Speaker 1: art art book, and yeah, it's my fine arts book.
Speaker 1: And so I ain't got to read. No, you ain't
Speaker 1: got read. Look at the pictures drawing it. I got it.
Speaker 1: Market shit, I'm reading a little bit. Let take it
Speaker 1: a little bit. And and this is, um, I'm just
Speaker 1: passed around. I gotta take this back. That shit is
Speaker 1: have you some motherfucker? Yeah, man, I could throw that
Speaker 1: shit and that hurt somebody. But those are my naphet grovels.
Speaker 1: And what I was able to do we all my
Speaker 1: years and hotel roo especially a prophets arranged is that
Speaker 1: you got a hotel time, hotel time, man downtime. It's
Speaker 1: like and I and and uh, when when my dad
Speaker 1: passed the twenty sixteen, um, I thought that, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm getting back in my full time. My downtown was
Speaker 1: the best therapy in the world. And then um, I
Speaker 1: did Awaska? You did you do drugs at the other
Speaker 1: times I've always wanted to do. DMT is a drug?
Speaker 1: All right. Also listen, listen, I'm educated from the best
Speaker 1: sense say a person you ever having. That's a great
Speaker 1: be real in Cypress Hill. All right. So but um yeah,
Speaker 1: DMT is when when my dad passed, as you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not hearing all that. Oh he's in a better
Speaker 1: place and all that than whatever I said. You know
Speaker 1: what I feel that I need to know where this
Speaker 1: spirit you know, is that? And sure enough my polates
Speaker 1: coach big up to kl she's part of a community.
Speaker 1: Um people who did introduced you to? It was? It was,
Speaker 1: it was going around, right, and then the conversation, the
Speaker 1: conversation was going around. And at the same time, Timmy,
Speaker 1: who's the bass player and raged against the machine. He
Speaker 1: does everything. And Timmy was telling me about, you know,
Speaker 1: his trip but doing DMT and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: like cats do mushrooms. It's like you see, you know,
Speaker 1: elephant and you shake your head. You don't see the
Speaker 1: fucking elephant. He said when he did DMT one time,
Speaker 1: you see the elephant, shake your head. And now, motherfuck yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the fucking elephant. I'm like, I said, Timmy's coming
Speaker 1: from the greatest rock bass player on the planet where
Speaker 1: he tells a fucking story. His stories is just like
Speaker 1: you lean in so far, it's like what the fuck
Speaker 1: are you a nuts? But you're like wow. So he
Speaker 1: told me this and I was like whatever. And then
Speaker 1: when my polates coach said, she's the part of a community. Remember,
Speaker 1: Iawaska is the sacrament, it's the spiritual sacrament of the
Speaker 1: of the journey. Yeah, so I was like, so anyway,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do it. She's gonna cut the shaman. I know it's
Speaker 1: gonna come into my house. My daughter's funny. She's like
Speaker 1: dirty smoke weed first. So I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I need to know where where when my dad's at
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because I feel he's at
Speaker 1: you know what a nobody giving me no answers that
Speaker 1: I need to know right now. I mean, he talked
Speaker 1: to a man fifty five years and all of a sudden, boom,
Speaker 1: the silence. It's like, yeah, you know, and my dad
Speaker 1: like said my dad. My mom is like, people tell
Speaker 1: me about heroes out there. I say, well, everybody's a
Speaker 1: stepped down from them too. It's like good shit. Then
Speaker 1: you know when Cats were saying your chuck your pops, man,
Speaker 1: you know when Cats is a hundred, your your pops
Speaker 1: is a thousand, I'm like you damn right. He's like
Speaker 1: that dude was amazing. So anyway, I'm gonna know where
Speaker 1: his spirit was. So sure enough, the shaman who always
Speaker 1: go back and forth to Peru. Remember it's like pug, yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, there you go, and he already knows
Speaker 1: to travel. So she came into the crib and I
Speaker 1: felt when it was administered through chocolate, it's illegal in
Speaker 1: the country and all. But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 1: you're going through enzymes, you're going through all kinds of
Speaker 1: training and the padding of the chest. I was as
Speaker 1: funny as a motherfucker, you know. The room started defending
Speaker 1: all that. But I felt, for a split second I
Speaker 1: had this communication. I was good. It was like, fine,
Speaker 1: I'd have to do it twice. I felt for a
Speaker 1: split second I was communicating with your father. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: for real, I mean like like like and it was
Speaker 1: like kind of like three quarters through. So so let
Speaker 1: let listen. A year later, I know this is just
Speaker 1: a short sorry. A year later, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I did it, already got my answer. But a community came.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you want to come to the community,
Speaker 1: to to my house, you know, and and actually you know,
Speaker 1: revisited with a community and see, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was like, I got my answer, you know, I
Speaker 1: ain't got to do I watch it again. But then
Speaker 1: I said, okay, cool, I'm gonna try something. Well, I
Speaker 1: went to the community, I mean too a house. About
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen people were there, seem shaman, and I
Speaker 1: was sitting there. I was like, okay, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: we got a group of people, so I asked her.
Speaker 1: I said, give me a ream of paper, a bunch
Speaker 1: of markets. So I sat in one spot in her
Speaker 1: living room. And then of course our wasaka was administered
Speaker 1: and the sacrament and all that, and sure enough, yo,
Speaker 1: I went through eighty five illustrations right in four hours.
Speaker 1: But the crazy thing was, right, I was drawing shit
Speaker 1: out of every wrap you know, computed memory ship, and
Speaker 1: I was drawing with a style that you know when
Speaker 1: you draw a paint or whatever. A lot of people
Speaker 1: do the exterior and then they go in. This ship.
Speaker 1: Was the energy on informed the exterior. So I was
Speaker 1: going like this and not even looking down at it. Right.
Speaker 1: So the thing is when I stopped doing it, but
Speaker 1: then the room started to bend and shit like that.
Speaker 1: Right when I started again, the room as clear as
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to y'all right now, so I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: eighty five illustrations, right, came up out of that ship.
Speaker 1: So after you know, you descended, I'm like, cool, but
Speaker 1: my hands were doing this. Now. Remember I told you
Speaker 1: earlier I believe everything and nothing to fuck at all.
Speaker 1: Some things ain't meant for us to process and understand
Speaker 1: why and what. I got my answer the first time
Speaker 1: and the second time I said, well, it doesn't mean like, okay,
Speaker 1: I need to get ideas to fucking go and do
Speaker 1: high washker So I could go into that zone and
Speaker 1: get idea and I don't need that. Well, I was told,
Speaker 1: is that because I am my artists and this is
Speaker 1: an important thing for artists, and this is why we're
Speaker 1: in the war of art instead of all the war.
Speaker 1: We already have the ability to go and descend and
Speaker 1: descend inside ourselves on an elevator of creativity. We're pregnant
Speaker 1: with ideas. Everybody has art in them, not everybody can
Speaker 1: get art out of them. So it's a real opportunity
Speaker 1: when you have people create. And I'm gonna creative furnace.
Speaker 1: Ever since that time, I've done thirty thousand illustrations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got Downtown. What the fuck else I'm gonna do?
Speaker 1: Bom bom boom by. I'm very fast because I worked
Speaker 1: at courtyards. Um not court, your courtroom speed and courtroom speeds.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, you have an illustrator and and
Speaker 1: fucking I gotta do this ship and get to the
Speaker 1: news station. Well, now you know, cats can do their
Speaker 1: shape and fucking email or zippet to somebody. But back
Speaker 1: then cats used to have the boom, go in the courtroom,
Speaker 1: sketch out the courtroom, and get to the fucking courier,
Speaker 1: get that ship to the TV station, get that shit
Speaker 1: in there at six twenty and shit like that. So
Speaker 1: you have to be a fast illustrator. So that's what
Speaker 1: these these books have come out. And these are early
Speaker 1: works where where you know, and I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: cut you off before, I just wanted to get to it.
Speaker 1: Just as a matter, I've always been asked, oh man,
Speaker 1: how could I get this? Because social media really allowed
Speaker 1: out to come out. Back in the day, if somebody
Speaker 1: was an artist, you'd be like like, yo, man, come
Speaker 1: to my gallery. Yeah yeah, I like going to the
Speaker 1: art show. The social media is like, go, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put some ship up. Damn wow. And then that shit
Speaker 1: led to like, well how could I get this ship?
Speaker 1: Do you? Prince? I know? Not just put download this shit.
Speaker 1: I don't do, and it just got bigger and bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger, and then people like, why don't you do books?
Speaker 1: Come on do books and pop up and that's how
Speaker 1: that led to that. I mean, so everything in this
Speaker 1: business I never sought out to do, from the Deaf
Speaker 1: Championship to the Prophets of Rage to art books, they
Speaker 1: always been a demand that dragged me in it. The
Speaker 1: shit I like to do is unattractive ship, you know,
Speaker 1: the ship that people wind up wanting me to do.
Speaker 1: It's the ship that that like, oh man, we will
Speaker 1: make that shit something. It would have been crazy that
Speaker 1: if people to put Awak on his list, you know,
Speaker 1: because a writer like that's the most the most famous,
Speaker 1: um my most part of the show is when I asked,
Speaker 1: you know, the artists, what do they want to drink?
Speaker 1: What do they want to have? And like like on
Speaker 1: the list, if if you would have put out and
Speaker 1: we watch a certain you got to bring the shot man, yea,
Speaker 1: we remember, you know. And and and every ritue, you
Speaker 1: guys have a ritual where it takes you. It takes
Speaker 1: you to the place that any result, it's like you're
Speaker 1: having a good time, you open up. You know. I
Speaker 1: had never been a person and you know where we
Speaker 1: come from. We're like listen, man, I mean, anybody could
Speaker 1: do anything. The crack epidemic was a problem because I
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of problems with addiction on drugs
Speaker 1: that are forcing in the neighborhood. Because like back in
Speaker 1: the day Boom, we remember, we're doing We're doing parties
Speaker 1: and shit like that. Man. I mean, come on, man,
Speaker 1: we were up there rocking clubs. Man, I mean to
Speaker 1: five in the morning, and you think it's like a
Speaker 1: music and cass ain't blinking and ship They're like yo,
Speaker 1: keep going. He's like, it's like yo, you think it's
Speaker 1: like yo, man, we roasted this fucking place right class,
Speaker 1: Like yo, man, It's like I got blinking that shit again.
Speaker 1: So it was the politics of the game. It's fucking
Speaker 1: people up. It's like yeah, now damn yo, I don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck if you smoking wear in a cornfield.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna bust my window, fuck my ship up,
Speaker 1: and steal my ship to keep your ship going. That's
Speaker 1: the problem I have with that. Or Betty up, you're
Speaker 1: gonna come into our gig. You're gonna wear fucking dukie
Speaker 1: ship to get robbed and break up the fucking party.
Speaker 1: We used to tell people no goal. You can't win
Speaker 1: no goal in this party. Ken fucking just like yo,
Speaker 1: I walk. I worked that fucking Walmart fucking all year
Speaker 1: to get this gold chain and coming there with my
Speaker 1: my pretty girl. I'm like, dude, don't do that with
Speaker 1: this ship right here. Pick this shit and we say
Speaker 1: leave your ship in the car. Every once in a
Speaker 1: while you get some asshole man ship enough yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and then you don't talk around. You gonna look at
Speaker 1: six cats and you want to take him on. This
Speaker 1: party is ending. Man, we can't have that. So we
Speaker 1: so public enemy did practical shit. Take to go, Take
Speaker 1: to go. Don't wear the goal because you can't protect
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