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Speaker 1: were so engaging. I said, dude, I've been in hating

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00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: the business. I'm not a preacher. I don't have no churches, man,

421
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, I don't write just or rhythmic dissertations. But

422
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying that I am in the entertainment business. Hip hop,

423
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: rap music is my thing. That is my religion. I'll

424
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: go around and stomp out a ball. I would definitely

425
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: back in the day, I'll be like, listen, I would

426
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: have to ask you like a lines of morning we

427
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: like when I hit that stage, it's like you're gonna

428
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: come and tear this ship up, Like but yeah, yeah,

429
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: that's all the big I would see lines of morning

430
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: with that vein in the savage. Yeah, coming to the court,

431
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: I was like, and go chake that stage and chew

432
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: it up. But you know you gotta get taught that

433
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: and when you first start and and big up to

434
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: my man Paul and say, uh he in Possaic. He

435
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: saw our first show. Yeah, he saw our first show

436
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 1: in Prosaic, New Jersey. Number one. End up in nineteen

437
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: eighty seven, people droping up for the baste boards April first.

438
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: I got ten years old, was ten years old Capital

439
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: Theater Number one. You start out right, and I couldn't

440
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: you know number one. You're trying to like yo, like

441
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to kno fuck up, you know what I'm saying.

442
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: And then the Beastie Boys that second show we did

443
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: with them, we're in an arena. Were in the arena

444
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: like like you know, like the same spot I'll be

445
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: seeing Cash play basketball like we played Providence the second

446
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: show arena and I'm like, whoa like like the whole

447
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: the audience looked like a pizza, like a like a

448
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: Calico rug. Right, how do you why do you and

449
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: just make pizza sound bad? You don't see nothing. And

450
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden right, you know, you know,

451
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: I was getting through that tour nervous. I was nervous

452
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: my whole first year, and you know we finally nervous.

453
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: You're talking about nineteen eighty seven and the Latin Quarters

454
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: with Mellie Men get that story later, listen. So I'm

455
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: so nervous. And one day I've seening Mike D. He

456
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: was like totally drunk, right, and he did his verses

457
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: and he like he he just fell out, but he

458
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: still was on the floor laughing. And I was like,

459
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: you could do that. Anything goes. Unless I saw Mike

460
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: D did that, I loosened up because I'm like, damn,

461
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: anything goes on the stage if you could kind of

462
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: like still stay with it. And it was three of them,

463
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: and that loosened me up like crazy. So um yeah, man,

464
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I'm a firm believer. You're owner

465
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: to what you think, but a slave to what you say.

466
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So a lot of times

467
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, man, watch out for valad, watch

468
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: out for drink Chace man, yo man uh sound bites

469
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: and clicks. I'm like, you're owner to what you think,

470
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: you slay to what you say, Yeah, sick. But by

471
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: the way, by the way, I didn't say that the

472
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: fuck out of here. Yeah, listen, listen, you the saw

473
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: of what you think exactly. Listen. The easiest thing. A

474
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: lot of people blame alcohol, and it's not alcohol. Alcohol

475
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: just enhances. Yes, it rolls it out, you know. And

476
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: and I'll get to that in a second. But like

477
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: I said, like, you know, the easiest thing for people

478
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: to deal with it saying fuck, I don't know you

479
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You're gonna take press. But see

480
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: here we in the game. And let me tell you

481
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: public interview if you say all that, we're the first

482
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: to take on an interview with a vengeance myself, Griff James.

483
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: There was no music press at all for black artists

484
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: in the eighties, you know, Prince and Michael Jackson wasn't

485
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: fucking with no interviews. So and then after Rundem scene

486
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: got accused of starting riots in in nineteen eighty six. No,

487
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: and yeah, they got accused for starting riots because there

488
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: was a big conflict Crisson the Bloods nineteen eighty six,

489
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: Long Beach, California. They had some some and the press

490
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: didn't even know what to call it, so it must

491
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: have been run DMC. So I win. You know, I

492
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: just kind of bloods holy shit, yeah, because you know,

493
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: like they had factions and the beginning of the crypton

494
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: bloods And I'm not gonna be an expert on this,

495
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: but you know, at the beginning they were neighborhood guardians, right.

496
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: But then just like in New York, all of a

497
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: sudden the nineteen eighties, which is R and B, Reagan

498
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: and Bush, right, they come in and all of a

499
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: sudden in the neighborhood include now neighborhood Long Island, there's

500
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: an influx of guns. There's an influx of drugs out

501
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: of nowhere, right, And this is on the tail end

502
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: or the seventies. And y'all saw the movie Un American

503
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: Gangster and stuff like that, in the whole Nicky Bad

504
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: Lucas Starry and all that. But also that was tied

505
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: into other situations. You could go into the CIA and

506
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Pretty sure, I mean, you got the

507
00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: name Noriego Snowfall. But but but like there's no accident.

508
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: So in the eighties when this came up, you know,

509
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, in Los Angeles, what used to

510
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: be the neighborhood guardians. You know, hey, look, you don't

511
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: come to this turf the script's blood. Then all of

512
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're fueling the next generation the young heads.

513
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: That's that's like okay, I mean yo, I'm getting this

514
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: money and old head ain't got no money. So now

515
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: money is the divide line. God walks out the room.

516
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: So they turned into a different army with guns where

517
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: like boom boom. So it's like where where this thing

518
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: came from? In eighty six, they got everybody, everybody listening

519
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: to rap music. Kda's the radio station out there. They

520
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: got everybody in the spot and just happened to be

521
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: the meeting place where cats convened and something broke out

522
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: and they blamed in our rap music in nineteen eighty six,

523
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: that's what I was saying. And I told Bill Outler,

524
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, man, I'm ready to do

525
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: this public enemy thing because I'm gonna be the motherfucker

526
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: that they ain't never gonna see before. Now. I was

527
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: trained to like do interviews and give interviews and shit

528
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: like that being a sports fan, so that one thing

529
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: led to another and the birth of public Enemy. We

530
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: would be getting large expanses of interviews man all over

531
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: the world, because I said, Yo, what we have is

532
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: something y'all don't know about, and we know everything about you.

533
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: That's the same thing like and martial arts that that

534
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: these guys do. It's like arts. You're gonna start smiling.

535
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: He rode to James. I mean, they they they've been

536
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: there since minute one. They used to do the security

537
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: of our gigs with myself, Hank, Keith Shockley, you know,

538
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: and you know we used to do the gigs flavor myself,

539
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: Keith was on the radio station doing mixes and stuff

540
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: like that. So we all just together terminator asks of course,

541
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: you know. So we bought it all together to be

542
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: this one thing. And and I'm just finished off the

543
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: Public Enemy thing. It's like I said no for two

544
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: years doing Public Enemy and won't do records. We wanted

545
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: to be what Deaf Jam was building, and we wanted

546
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: to be like the motown of hip hop because I

547
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: mean myself, Bill, Stephany, Hank, we wanted to like trade

548
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: you see, like what came out of it, like busting them.

549
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, and we have more to

550
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: come out. So I was a key development person. I

551
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: was like the Smokey Robinson man. I would work with

552
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: the artists, arrange them. We're naming it, do the art

553
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: stuff like that. We would all put you know, cats

554
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: in a gig. We would treat them right when they

555
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: come along outland. It's like, man, we'll bring you out,

556
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: we'll treat you like superstars, and we'll send you back

557
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: home safe boom. One of our biggest groups that we

558
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: always had a ball is promoting stets of Sonic was Yeah, man,

559
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: my man, Daddy O is like thick up the Daddy O.

560
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: He's like the you know, the guru professor Daddy, like

561
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: three thousand haircuts. Yeah, always a different sided. Mean to

562
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: take it there with it. But I'm saying that that

563
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: when you go around the world, the number one thing,

564
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: number one thing to wherever you're at is know the law.

565
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: Because when you know the law, then you can operate

566
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: on figuring out it's flaws. When you have no justice

567
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: to fight the law, you can't fight the lad not

568
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: knowing the law. Right and then and then expect some

569
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: some clap back on that. That was a Black Panthers.

570
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: Black Panthers was college students, neighborhood activists that knew the

571
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: law and use the law right and still us you

572
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Listen man, the community is always

573
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: full of thinkers and doers. You know, you need thinkers,

574
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: but they could come up to a certain point. You

575
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: need doings, but they just can't just just be doing it. Yeah,

576
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: so you need a combination and then and that's what

577
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: we was a combination thinkers do is move and shakers.

578
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: But also let's let's not get it twisted. We're in

579
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: the entertainment business in hip hop. When you're trying to

580
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: give young people something to do, we're just trying to

581
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: be active. We trying to be motivating and give young

582
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: people something to do by enlightening them and not look

583
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: down on them. Although there's a lot of things you

584
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: can look down on, but you gotta look across there

585
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: and say, listen, man, how do you think it's gonna

586
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: You know, work long term is a good look. You

587
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: gotta ask them questions, you gotta engage on that. But

588
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: that's a lot of work, man, it's a lot of work.

589
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: But hold you mentioned going back to you saying that

590
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: you wanted to be the motown, you wanted to produce

591
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: and development. Was that chance one of the first chances

592
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: when when Cube, that opportunity came for you guys to

593
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: produce America's most wanting And how did that all come about?

594
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: Cause I cannot cannot because that was a marriage of

595
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: great worlds. Let me let me just say something. And

596
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: I watched um math Hoppa and them talk about this

597
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: fantastic show. So what happened was on there? They said

598
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: that Smith and Weston at one time, Smith and Weston

599
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: got down with Tupac at that time where Tupac was

600
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: hated on the East Coast. So at that time, I'm

601
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: going to be honest as a fan, I was not

602
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: into this music industry at all. I was thrown off

603
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: a little bit too because how easily the ice Cube

604
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: was accepted in the East Coast. Because I didn't feel

605
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: this is me as a person, this is this is

606
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: not Nori, this is Poppy in Left Frack City. I

607
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: felt that. I felt, I felt the West Coast would

608
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: not do that to any other artists other than Public Enemy,

609
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: Like we wouldn't be accepted in the West Coast. But

610
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: when ice Cube came here, it was like all arms.

611
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: In my opinion, this my humble no no industry, no industry,

612
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: no industry. Here, we're gonna remember we didn't have Instagram

613
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: back then. We didn't know that, We didn't know that

614
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: you had a relationship, So the media wasn't the same.

615
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: Like people discovered America's most wanted and in that moment

616
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: discovered that he left n W. That's how I, as

617
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: a kid, open it up and I see bomb squad

618
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: And here's the crazy thing about that. I'm sorry, I'm

619
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: started making this question social, but no, Well, here's the

620
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: crazy thing about that. Here's a crazy thing about that.

621
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: I was so much an n WA fan at that time.

622
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: I didn't want to accept anything that was going to

623
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: but I was such a fan of both. To see

624
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: that marriage. I was listen, is like the best the country.

625
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: The whole was talking together, and I think the night

626
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: this is love this. But Q came to the show

627
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 1: we did at the Palladium. Man, what was eighty eight? Listen?

628
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm the only reason I'm a fact checker because

629
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: all I did all my life as being a sports

630
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: fan is watched this hip hop ship. And I was

631
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: a fan of everything everything from from before records. I

632
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: was a fan. I didn't want to do it. I

633
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 1: just wanted to be a fan. I wanted to do Flyers.

634
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: That's why I gave you a book I did. I

635
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: did the best Flyers. I wanted to compete and bust

636
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: everybody in the world. And Flyers go to the gig

637
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: Geant supper Storm go home knowing I got my hip

638
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: hop in. It's a rebel type of thing with me,

639
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: this ship man, we need the seventies with let's ever listen.

640
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not

641
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: gonna go off tangent. I was in high school in

642
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: seventy six and seventy seven. Bro I graduated seventy seventy eight.

643
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: You ain't have a Gumby Niaga up. You had, you know,

644
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean you you you had to go. I mean,

645
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: I'm in college in nineteen seventy eight, Broad. Although I

646
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: tried to be rebellious and wear kicks, sometimes they'd been like, nah,

647
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: we ain't fucking having them kicks up in here, And

648
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: you had to make adjustments. You know, I wasn't wearing playboys,

649
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: but you know I was platforms or whatever getting you.

650
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: If you you didn't want to be a wallflower man

651
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: with the fuck you standing on the wall, it's dance music. Man,

652
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: this ship is popping. DJ's is rocking and stuff, and

653
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: so you would standing on the wall, and and and

654
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: and girls is in the spot when you're gonna get

655
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: on the wall. And if you ain't one of those

656
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: big afro do to hustle pretty boys, you better fucking

657
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: have some fucking game. Better you get off that wall

658
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: to make it happen. That party is trying to throw

659
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: your hands and had shit like, you know, find one

660
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: groundwe get behind one, let's go, you know what I'm saying.

661
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: So the DJ's and the MC was like trying to

662
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: get the party moving. If you ain't moving, security problem,

663
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: and and and when you have the party not popping,

664
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: especially if it's lopsided on population, you got penitentiary six. Man,

665
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: it's a security problem. See today they spend a lot

666
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: of money on compunity, right, a lot of money on security.

667
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: Back then, your ship had to be yo, your ship

668
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: had to be so popping that the most thug, the

669
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: super thug, got a super thug be like, you know what,

670
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to suck this party up, and nobody

671
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: else better not fuck this party. That's making sure. But

672
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: he was moving right, and then your crap flashes them

673
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: wasn't lying you was a whack DJ now only were

674
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: you might get shot at motherfucker's taking your ship. What

675
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 1: you're gonna do? Oh, police stopped this. You know, DJA

676
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: is better be lucky. I'm trying to tell you now.

677
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: You didn't want that problem, man, You didn't want that problem.

678
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: Also taking black people's money, man, it was a you know,

679
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: I Hack told me a story once man that he

680
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: went to this fight in Brooklyn, man, and the act

681
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: was so whacked. Man. They robbed everybody at Believing Cats

682
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: and Cats and Brooklyn robbed everybody upon leaving the venue

683
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: coase to the act group of God. So yeah, so yeah,

684
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: My point is before you took me to the dance borld,

685
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: like thank you, thank you, because let me just reiterate

686
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: what my point. You wanna take me to another tangent? No, no,

687
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: it was it was it was something that was had

688
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: never been done before, Like the East Coast wasn't easy.

689
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: Number one, you from the four boroughs at that particularly chime,

690
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: four Burroughs and Queens is barely hanging on. Damn. I'm

691
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: point in Queens nineteen sixty all right before forty years

692
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: before Shake Steadium, the people he invaded Flushing, Yeah, exactly so.

693
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: And also I live I lived in I tell I

694
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: tell this Molly and all the time Nas and Cormega.

695
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: My family lived in Queensbridge the first two years. That

696
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: makes yeah, queens big after Cormeica. Yes, we got to

697
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: get um Mega on here. He's having some issues with

698
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: his label right now. We were like him to express it.

699
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: He's a beautiful cat He's a great, beautiful cat man. Guys,

700
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: come on big, Happy birthday launch Professor, DJ Premier. Damn it, God,

701
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: damn it lost professor. Yeah, all right, yeah, how does

702
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: this call happen? He just calls you out the blue.

703
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: But number one, we come out with Yo brummers to

704
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: show in nineteen eighty seven we are crue, we ain't

705
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: from the city and we in car culture. I mean,

706
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: you're going to get yours as the first single released,

707
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: I guess and I'm I'm I'll give my love to

708
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: my ninety eight Oldsmobile. Really I had a ninety eight

709
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: Oldsmobile because yeah, the nineteenth posse those were the kind

710
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: of like thugs in Long Island made, but they all

711
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: drove ninety eight old Mosobile. Ninety eight the crazy thing

712
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: about them. Everybody used to come out to Roosevelt, which

713
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: they called the Harlem a long island, right, and they

714
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: had the Roosevelt Roller Ring and casts to come from

715
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: Queens and Brooklyn, and the ninety eight Posse was from Himpstead, Roosevelt,

716
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: New York. No, that's for the OUTCA. Now that that

717
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: sparres another level, okay, right, But the ninety eight Posse, man,

718
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: they were so unique that they would put their they

719
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: would put their cars together. They were all mechanics. They

720
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: would rob you. They would just say, you don't want

721
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: to get on the wrong side of them. Matter of fact, Listen,

722
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: our gigs had standoffs between the ninety eight Posse and

723
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: the s one ws was a security and then finally

724
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: they came together saying that anybody did come to our gigs,

725
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: you better not fuck up, because didn't it. It was

726
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: almost a war with him one one night in Hempstead,

727
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: New York at the Korean ball Room. Yeah. Well, anyway,

728
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: they ended up being together, like you didn't want to

729
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: mess up one of our events because you know, you know,

730
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: you come out there mess up our event, there ain't

731
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: nothing happening out there. They ain't like we ain't got

732
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: things like Queens and Brooklyn. You mess up with event

733
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: out there some problems. So they even got together the

734
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: super Thus and also the s run W so you

735
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: came out there. It was the unbelievable experience. Long story short,

736
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: um ninety eight posse uh. They would put their cars together,

737
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: they would cut off the highways so you couldn't get

738
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: up out of there, and they you know, so they

739
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: they were pretty much a theme. So bum Ruster the

740
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: Show was our first album, and it operated around something similar.

741
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: You know, Los Angeles. You you ain't catching the bus

742
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: out there. You ain't got no car man, especially you

743
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: were costing a torrance or the outskirt places cost the city. Man,

744
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: you ain't getting nowhere. So they understood there were similarities,

745
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: and you know and us and Iced Tea, who was

746
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: out there. In a matter of fact, he was the

747
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: first big up to my my bro bro Iced Tea

748
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: because every every year Iced team makes history. You know

749
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: why because he's the eldest and he gets in those

750
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: red air So Iced Tea when he turns the age

751
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: like sixty four, sixty five, I think sixty five, he's like, man,

752
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: no rapper ever been there, And then ten years later

753
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: he was saying, oh so so turns sixty Iced team

754
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: did this intend doing the heavy metal rap and rappe

755
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: and doing such a great person a TV twenty five

756
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: years and all. I never told me no like because

757
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to he He's the Kiss the ring

758
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: god Father for real. So in Wa when they came

759
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: out their first record, they did what Wu Tang did,

760
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: like what eleven years later they had a whole bunch

761
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: of cats out there, rhyme and little cruise, and they

762
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: grouped them all together. If you look at n WA

763
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: in the posse, they wearing clocks from the back of

764
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: ye I have the feel and feel Fresh crew. Yeah yeah,

765
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: they wearing clock yea yeah yeah yeah yeah. At the

766
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: Easy Old at the end of eighty seven, we started

767
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: doing you know shows and they started saying, oh Nwa

768
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: because they had dope Man and stuff like that. Q

769
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: Easy had already come out. Easy already came out. Um

770
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: d Oc was from Exist, but he was part of

771
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: a crew out in Texas and mccola Records was an

772
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: independent record label and actually it was a record label

773
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: from a pressing plant they had in La just kind

774
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: of took all the rappers at that particular time, and

775
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: then that time at eighty seven, like grouped them together

776
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: and that was in Wai was an attitude, but it

777
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: meant a lot of crews, Raman Prince, all of all

778
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: the founders, Linzo and all those cats man and they

779
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: had this scene out there and this was put in together.

780
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: And then we toured a couple of times, and that's

781
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: when I first started, you know, knowing Dre knowing Q

782
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: who basically looked up to me and said, well, I

783
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: got my style off for you. And I was like, well,

784
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: I got this style off for school e D. And

785
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: I talked to schools. They pick up the school D

786
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: my bro bro school D right, yeah legend yeah yeah

787
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: man so so and I told him, well, I got

788
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: that style off for school Man eighty six and you

789
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: know schoolies, I got that ship off a mel Wow.

790
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: So were fraternity And although you know, like even after

791
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: us in the nineties and the two thousands, people don't

792
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: think that this lineage, this lineage, yeah, so Q, you know,

793
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: at that particular time, was like, you know, bro Bro,

794
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: They're coming up in wa and then we come up

795
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: with Takes the Nation millions and this is funny were

796
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: playing Vegas and NWA's on the show, and uh, you know,

797
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: I get the I get the test present from Glenn

798
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: Glenn Freedman, who actually is the photographer who did The

799
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Nation's cover, though much the show iced Tea. In fact,

800
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: the first time I met iced Tea in La, he

801
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: looked just like Ron Paye's cover, except for Darlene wasn't

802
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: in that in that cover people Africa, It's pulled up

803
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: in that porch. It was like, yo, I'm gonna give

804
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: you the rules when you come out to LA and

805
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But Glenn Friedman was a photographer and

806
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: so he was then let in Las Vegas when we

807
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: played and he had to pick the the takes the

808
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Nation album and I'm getting a test present and I'm

809
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: looking at it. I'm like, what the fuck is you know,

810
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: because we're in an art direction down to the team.

811
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: Glenda Little ain't know because he'd be like the drop

812
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: shadow ain't right, and Glenn be trying to get a

813
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: royalty off your off the art work. I'm like, yeah, wait, wait.

814
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: Glenn would take a photo and he tried to go

815
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: to depth gym and said, I want to royalty off

816
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: of the off of my photo. They was like, no,

817
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: that's unprecedented. But he tried. He tried, right, you know,

818
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: like like they say, if you're an asking then you

819
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: don't know if people gonna get it. So I remember

820
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: Easy and Dre also being in the wings, and I

821
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: handed it to them and they're looking at this shit,

822
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: like what the you say? Easy? Easy? And we were

823
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: in the same corpridor matter of fact, matter of fact,

824
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson was in the same corridor because I was

825
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: getting down and I saw John Little from HUDDI. Here's

826
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: a funny thing, right, you know, John Little Man pick

827
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: up the John Little from Houdini and also ex sols

828
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: to my master teachers too. So Mike, Mike, this is

829
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: this is Mike Tyson nineteen eighty eight, Joy Wheel, John

830
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: Wheel right, and John lit is like, hell right, he does.

831
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: My name is John Little. He wasn't telling much that

832
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: John Wheel, John Wheel. John Little was like, that's the

833
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: same fifty four four nights in the road and Mike

834
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: Tyson hung out with us. God damn it. So man.

835
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that at that same corridor, I'm passing

836
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: that Easy and Dre and then of course QUBE's you know, bro,

837
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: bro coming up on that. The developed in the next

838
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: thing Boom next year, straight out of Compton, which was

839
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: more like you know, like that East Coast fast speed

840
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: muscle and and and Dre was a one man, two

841
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: man operations in there, but he could do all the

842
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: ship that Hank myself, Eric Vietnam, Sadler, Keith, you know

843
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: we all in a room, you know, doing some shit.

844
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: This is a one dude that do this ship with

845
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: an engineer and straight out of Compton. So and Wa

846
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: comes up does that thing. Then again, like I said, groups,

847
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: you know, you got issues, you got schedules, you got conflicts.

848
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: And and Q wanted to do a solo record and

849
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: said that, you know easy and Dre told him to

850
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: wait maybe a year or two and back in them

851
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: days man a year or two. Yeah, man man rip

852
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: van winkle Man. I'm saying so so um Q decided to,

853
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, do it with us. And it is a

854
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: key statement right here. In nineteen eighty nine, NWA played Apollo.

855
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: It was there that night. Okay sold out Yo man,

856
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: New York roasted them. It was like you talk about

857
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: I want to make sure roast no, no, no, anyway

858
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: you want to put don't say, well, God roasted them.

859
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: And I told them downstairs, I said, listen, you guys

860
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: are from three thousand miles away Los Angeles. Miles will

861
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: be Neptune man, not New Jersey, Neptune out of space.

862
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: You gotta go through this in New York. Trust me.

863
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: I'm from Long Island, man. I went through this shit.

864
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: Next year, if you show preseverance, New Yorker want to

865
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: be shown that that that you get up. So I

866
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: don't want to act like what's that word means? That mean?

867
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: I keep going. I I ain't got a bunch of

868
00:49:53,440 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: big words. Because anyway, you know, like I said, next year,

869
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: you got to show that you could come back and

870
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: do so somebody, because this is New York, this is Apollo.

871
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: They they've been the man. They've been passing coffins out

872
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: of here for the last seventy years. They bow themself right,

873
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, yo back. Yeah. Man, it's hurts waiting on

874
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: the back of the Apollo every year, every show. Then

875
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 1: so so sure enough, Ice Cubes comes back the next

876
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: year after we do the America's Most one because he

877
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: had conflict, and then um oh this is after them.

878
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: Well we did America's Most for America's You did the

879
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: joint with Big Daddy Kane Burn Hollywood Burn. Well, how

880
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: it happened. We was in Green Street recording and me

881
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: and Kine have been circling around, just like me and

882
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: the Drink Champs, but the studio, Me and me and

883
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: Kane were circling around. Yeah, I'm gonna do this record. Yea,

884
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this record with you. Yeah, We're circling.

885
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: Were circling and found rendezvous where we are the same

886
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: place at the same time. So Kane came down to

887
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: do this record, Burn Hollywood Burn. And that's my sentiment

888
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: and my feelings to this moment, like Burn Hollywood Burn.

889
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna have conversations in the Hollywood boardroom. I'm

890
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: gonna work with a team and they're gonna have those conversations.

891
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm about the art, right, So we got this thing

892
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: Burn Hollywood Burn, and Qube was was being on the

893
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: couch because I first sent them to like whoa go.

894
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to get a MIDI a conflict.

895
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: That's the group thing, yo, Yo, Can y'all produce my

896
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: Albu the brom School. I'm like, I'm not get in

897
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: the middle of that hook up with Sam Sever and

898
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: he talked to Sam Sever and I think I sent

899
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: them to somebody else. I was trying to get producers

900
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: for for Cube. Cuba was like, man, fuck that, I

901
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: want y'all to do my shit. I was like, it

902
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: was right, we don't want to get in the middle

903
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: of that, not even when we kill our kids. A

904
00:51:52,200 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: lot they got just like it's all about what alliances. Ye,

905
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: we're out with new True Party. Man, you know what

906
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Boom boom boom, You'll figure it out. We

907
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: got your your blessings in the back whatever. We're sovereign nation, right,

908
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: so show enough. One thing led to another. Um. Hank

909
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: thought it was a challenge once he was kind of

910
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: told like, you know, like it might be all right,

911
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: and then Hank was like, Yo, let's go for it.

912
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: Let's let's do this. And already we already had to

913
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: knock out Fear of a Black Planet and then Hanking,

914
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: Eric and him was finishing up the BBD album. But

915
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: but did y'all change the sound like to make it

916
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: more No, because Hugh came in with what he wanted. Wow,

917
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: Sir Jenks was with him and they worked with Eric

918
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: Vietnam Saler. We just showed them, like the first thing

919
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: I did with Q when I went to La and

920
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: we finally agreed, I said, fuck, all this is that,

921
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: the bells whistles, Pyro and all this stop by that

922
00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: CBS shot, pick up a ninety nine sent notebook. I said,

923
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: that's where it all starts. Bro, simple things. I'm not

924
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: teaching Cube anything. It's like, listen, don't don't try to

925
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: do shit overnight. Don't try to change overnight, and do

926
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: what we do. You can morph there on your own,

927
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: trying not to say the same thing twice. You're not

928
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: making an extended single. You're making an album. Make some

929
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: records that people like, but make a couple of records

930
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: that some shit. Hey, Cube took it to the hill.

931
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: He's like, you love to hate, you know what I'm saying.

932
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, just don't always try to please

933
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: because hip hop is also you know, if you have

934
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: a boardroom or record company, they're always trying to get

935
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: motherfucker's just be on their knees and like love me,

936
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: love me, and hipop has gotta also be like, no,

937
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck if you don't like none

938
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: of this go to the opposite. Yeah, my job, my job.

939
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: But see, to me, it's been like almost to a

940
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: point of like like disservice, Like I'll be like, I

941
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: hope you hate the ship, so I an beat your

942
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: ass with the ship. I mean, there was nothing appealing

943
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: about public enemy music, nothing, nothing kind of public. It

944
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: was like it was just a total contrarian thing. It's like,

945
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: we want you to not like this shit, but we

946
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: we leave the spot because we said loving and hate

947
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: is the same emotion, right, you know what I'm saying.

948
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: Once you once you're flatlining and you're in the middle

949
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: of the road, and you kind of pleasing, you kind

950
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: of not pleasing. I don't want to fit nobody, and

951
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: you're in the middle. You unnoticed, especially back then you

952
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: playing with a bunch of acts. If your ship ain't

953
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: Poppa you sent, you're gonna be sent back home. And

954
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: and then being sent back home is the worst thing.

955
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: I remember a couple of groups got sent back home

956
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: and they were kicking rocks in the summertime, man, and

957
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: like New York is not the place to be if

958
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: you know, if Boper is out there on the road

959
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: and on the tour. So one thing led to another

960
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: long story short about que did America's Most wanted um

961
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: he felt I had to I had to leave out

962
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: at the end of the productions and head off on tour.

963
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: But in twelve weeks the bomb squad did you have

964
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: a black planet? They'll bid the vote wow, And then

965
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: America's Most won it. I didn't know Bellot and then

966
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: the Cube was staring into the stratosphere after that, and

967
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: then once Cuba and that was that. The production was

968
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: genius on America. No, but once Cuban Jenis got it

969
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: and that particular style, man he came out with that

970
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: kill Kill, that will ep and my favorite record the

971
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: Cube was jacking verbe. Was there any slack from the

972
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: East Coast for like just accepting a West Coast artist

973
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: at that time it was a low interpretation, but you know,

974
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: like at the same time, it's gotta asked what that

975
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: word me. I'm sorry it was at you. We don't

976
00:55:54,960 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: get but still still the advantage see us get in sidewinder,

977
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: it's good a side comment for a second. Bring me

978
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: back though, bring me back. But in this country, the

979
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: arrogance of like when they look at people who are

980
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: multi lingual, they look at them the lesser than when

981
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: most people in this country no fucking one barely one

982
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: one language. They don't even speak the King's language. So

983
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: when they're like, oh, yeah, I got this work of

984
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: working for me, but they don't know no English, the

985
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: fuck they know four languages. Man, they have an advantage

986
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: over you, and you have a disadvantage. That's only I

987
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: was growing up. I always thought black was advantage. You

988
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: know why, I said, shit, I know everything about everybody,

989
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: but they don't know shit about me. I'm gonna you know,

990
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: I got I got them. I'm gonna go wherever I

991
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: want to go. It's like almost being on the court,

992
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: but knowing that you could go on both sides of

993
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: both hands. It's like like they didn't stopped me to

994
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: the hoop. And that's why we try to say, yeah,

995
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: this knowledge, wisdom and understanding. You're not gonna get into

996
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: that microwaves, but you could get it like to the

997
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: point where it works to your advent. Now everything people like, oh, man,

998
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: I know who black people are because all I got

999
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 1: I got nothing but rap songs and so therefore, yeah,

1000
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: but you're getting you're getting one side and you think

1001
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: you know us, well, you don't know my mom's struggle.

1002
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: You don't know my aunt's you know, middle name and

1003
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So let's grow together and stop act

1004
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: like you know everything about us before you selling market

1005
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: to us. Oh, we got them figured out, because what's

1006
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: going to happen is that they're going to say, well,

1007
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, we ain't got you, oldhead, old gee, you

1008
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: on the way out. We got your grandkids anyway, because

1009
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: we have programmed them to go where we want them

1010
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: to go and believe what we want them to believe.

1011
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: That's why you always have to have the legacy of

1012
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: at least old jeans. They can't be measured by by money.

1013
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: The money is a construct man, just like race is

1014
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: a construct. But we have to understand the truth in

1015
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: the matter is that the darker people of the Earth

1016
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: and these present times and talking the last two under

1017
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: three hundred years, we have been a disadvantaged and ostracized

1018
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: for different reasons. And when we got to come up

1019
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: out of that and order in order the quest to

1020
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: just say, accept us as a part of the human race.

1021
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: There's no no such thing as alien from another planet.

1022
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: But it's a come up and we deserve the right

1023
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: to come up and be respected. So m you know,

1024
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: you could throw some some some some what when you

1025
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: call it lie in the wash? You know what I'm saying,

1026
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: l y E and the wash, And it could corrupt

1027
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. So it's always you know,

1028
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: what's constant elevation, man, That's all it's about. So anyway,

1029
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: what was the part I said? I didn't want to

1030
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 1: getting lost? Q okay Q. So it's a simple fact

1031
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: of the matter. Q went into the stratosphere. After that,

1032
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: he came to New York And when Q played the

1033
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: Polo in nineteen ninety after the Boy Man, he came back. Man,

1034
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: imagine what. Yes, I'm surprised Apolo was still standing man,

1035
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: because he did. When I forgot what it's his set,

1036
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: I forgot what it said was Jacko fin Beings came

1037
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: in ninety one. I'm gonna tell you how I know

1038
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: New York was probably probably the hardest place to play ever.

1039
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: Was when I got a call from Big Boy from

1040
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: Outcast one time and Big Boy said, can you come

1041
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: with me to the tunnel? And I said why. He

1042
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: was like, I just want to New Yorker to stand

1043
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: And they were ten million at the time. I don't

1044
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: even think I was gold, so I didn't even like

1045
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know the the needs and older was was

1046
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: just there a big boy and we just stood on stage.

1047
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: But New York would not throw a bottle or no,

1048
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: not because I was actually present, I didn't know that

1049
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: was a cheek call. Yeah, originally didn't matter the big

1050
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: boy at Atlanta. If people from out of town knew that,

1051
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: they knew that. Listen, you know New York we just

1052
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: well crazy shit is I remember Jay telling me this story,

1053
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: and this is recently when we sat down with him

1054
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: and Jay said, Jay said, he said, I always um

1055
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: think about the out of towners, who out of towners

1056
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: think that it's New York that hates on them. He's like, no,

1057
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: we hate on each other. He said, Biggie got throw

1058
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: on the same bottle that I got, and it looks

1059
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: like it's like but the al of towners don't know that.

1060
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And this is a long

1061
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: song conversation that we have on drink chances. There's a

1062
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: lot of people thought that New York was arrogant, and

1063
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: what they didn't realize was it was just the attitude

1064
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: that we had to Well, I told you, because we

1065
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: have the debate that like for us in Miami, and

1066
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: I think other regions felt industry wise, I always say,

1067
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: it's not the people in New York. The industry that

1068
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: was centralized in New York was being very it was

1069
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: very New York centric too, and I'm talking about hip

1070
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: hop wise. They weren't letting people in and that's what

1071
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: people were getting kind of angry the South. That's why

1072
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: you know the Jay Princes and the death throws and

1073
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: everybody started to come up to come back that and

1074
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: even cast statement. Yet one of the first, even an

1075
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: outcast statement when when when they um won the award,

1076
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: the South has something to say, it felt like they

1077
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: were saying New York ain't only it, Well, yeah, better

1078
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: they better listen Publican me was the first that actually

1079
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: in the brain. The Noise Tour in nineteen eighty eight

1080
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: was the first group that not only we had to

1081
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: break the molde to break the mode was like everything

1082
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: up to them was groups coming out of New York

1083
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: on the summertime. You had to what the fresh Fest

1084
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: in the eighty four eighty five, I mean the fresh

1085
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: Fest Philling Arenastball Tour in nineteen eighty seven, and then

1086
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: before that you had Raising Hell in nineteen eighty six

1087
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 1: on dmc l cou J Beastie Boys, you know, boom

1088
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: so they you know, everything was summertime, summertime, summertime. And

1089
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: eighty eight they had two tours at the same time.

1090
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: In the summertime you had the Dope Jam Tour, Eric

1091
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: b Rock Kim Big Up to Eric b rod Kim

1092
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: kol Mo d Big Up, the mold you know, iced Tea.

1093
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean that was like bam everybody. And then on

1094
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: the other tour was us run dmc Z, Jeff Fresh Prince,

1095
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: that's Will Smith for y'all some of you, some old

1096
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: niggas in here too, and also j J fad right,

1097
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: and there's two toy So at the end of that year, man,

1098
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: we had so much like momentum. It was like we saying, listen, man,

1099
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: we could do a two in the winter time and

1100
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: they say, yeah, but groups is trying to gear up,

1101
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: and Allever I said, you know, we could do a

1102
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: two and a winter time and go to each and

1103
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: every market that got brewing groups and they market too,

1104
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: Shorts from the Bay, Hammage from the Bay, mix a

1105
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: lots from Seattle. You know. Luke is from down here.

1106
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: The craziest thing ever is seeing Luke put the dances

1107
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: on the when w stands home. Wait, wait, come about

1108
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: what Luke had? He had? First of all, it's Luke

1109
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: the first of all for a big figure up to

1110
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: my bro, bro Luther Campbell. Luke Campbell. Let me tell you,

1111
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: Luther cab it was the first I'm only stayed the chief.

1112
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: He had the chicks turking on the security. We get

1113
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: to that story, right, me back to that muster. Campbell

1114
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: is the first celebrity house I have stayed in my

1115
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: life downy in Miami. This Goopie Days. Um, this is

1116
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety it was you know that was about

1117
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: that was more like no, no, no, that was more

1118
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: like Luke, Luke's commander, Goopie Days. All right, So anyway,

1119
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: so listen, all right, So Luke I was doing this

1120
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: this DVD with him, right because before y'all twisted, but

1121
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: he was caught up in a political scale on the

1122
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: America's most wanted. So we was part of America's most

1123
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: wanted the censorship. Wait a minute, No, I didn't know

1124
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: what America's most wanted it. Yeah, because because the law

1125
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: had you know, the law down here in Dade County

1126
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: had Luke up against the wall for censorship, but so

1127
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: he needed criminal So so yeah, man, did I take

1128
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: your ass? Yeah? It was just Luke moved so much

1129
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: music and cultural weight in the South. People like just

1130
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: like to say, oh man, Lucas booty and that's it. No, Luke,

1131
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: he did a lot, commanded the record industry because nobody

1132
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: wanted to South. Nobody wanted to South. It's like that

1133
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: bunky ass keep that over there. Luke was the first

1134
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: celebrity house I ever stayed in, because I did the

1135
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: thing that night and I was like, I'll go to

1136
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: the hotel. Luke said stay at my house, you know,

1137
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: and the white woman comes out with tea and ship

1138
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: like that. I was like, what the fuck? You know,

1139
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: Like I'm looking around. It's like it was like, damn,

1140
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: they like British right, golf course, you know what I'm saying.

1141
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: Golf course like the fun right, But you know, I

1142
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: mean Lucas the first people we met down here at

1143
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: down the Street, right, James James right, and he was

1144
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: upset about like, man, listen, I'm doing all this stuff

1145
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: down here in New York. Don't know this US at all.

1146
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: And me and Daddy O would be people like, come

1147
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: on in because the death jam thing didn't leave you passes.

1148
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: And then the thing about Luke, I said, he's also

1149
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: the first private jet we ever been on. Lest Let's

1150
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: see what I tell you. He ran radio book pirate

1151
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: radio stations out of suitcases on top of roofs down here.

1152
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, let me tell you. Listen, listen. Luke promoted

1153
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: us in the stadium full of fifty thousand with the

1154
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: old Miami Stadium with the Hurricanes and all the play

1155
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: the old Miami STATEUM fifty thousand heads up in there, right.

1156
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: We got to play a show the same night at

1157
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: the Omni in Atlanta. Luke says, listen, man, you fly

1158
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: out my private jet up there. I go up to

1159
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: the jet. I'm like, what the fuck? Right? And it

1160
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: got the same logo that's on the record company on

1161
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: the record label. Yeah. I had to touch the plane

1162
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: like this. I touched on it, roughed the back. It's

1163
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: like what And we flew to Atlanta and headline that

1164
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: same night at the Omni they just called the Omni

1165
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: back in the day, And we did two gigs in

1166
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: one day. And courtesy of Luke's private Brown Luke Skywalker plane. Now,

1167
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: the only thing that stopped Luke was once again they

1168
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: saw him coming because he had a whole area that

1169
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: nobody wanted. Come on. Wrap hip hopped in the South.

1170
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: Who the fuck wants Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina,

1171
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Luke got want them

1172
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: bumping ass and Luke would put out the tape and rule,

1173
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: and then the companies wanted in. Later on. That was

1174
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: the blueprint for who but New York, Yeah, late later on,

1175
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: it was a blueprint for master Peak. Yes, but Luke

1176
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: and Luke got up where they they came after them

1177
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: like take the logo away, you know, like you know,

1178
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: I think what's his name, George Lucas and them was

1179
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: like you can't you. I was like fuck, And you know,

1180
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: that type of shit happened, and then the Lord and

1181
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: then the government and all that other ship and then

1182
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: I was an opportunity for master P to come up

1183
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: in there. And still even master P capitalize on all

1184
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: those territories. Nobody went up by that time, around Nor's

1185
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: ninety eight, the companies was like yeah, yo, man. Companies

1186
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: tried to make what Master Pa offer because they realized

1187
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: that the young man there's some gold in them Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama,

1188
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: Hill Florida Hills. And they tried to make them a

1189
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: deal and Master P was doing so well. Remember you

1190
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: said like five hundred ads in the source. You know

1191
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He had his own record stores on

1192
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: the West. They tried to make a deal with him,

1193
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: and he was like, yo, man, with the fuck, you know,

1194
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: you gotta come in they and they said, you know,

1195
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna finance your competitor there. And that's

1196
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: what money they financed his competitor should get real and

1197
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: then surrounded it. You know, this is the same old

1198
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, and no disrespect to Cass money, but that

1199
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: was the game that the majors would play to destroy

1200
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: black businesses. You know, it's crazy. I'm gonna be honest

1201
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: with you. I went to New Orleans around that time

1202
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: where Master P was the ship, and I wanted to

1203
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: do a record with a dude I think his name

1204
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: was Scott dug He originally bind up being on penalty

1205
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,560
Speaker 1: and I remember me being in New Orleans and me

1206
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: identifying with the only other Puerto Rican person that was there.

1207
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: It was a girl. She had fronts on and she

1208
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: was poor Rigan And I said, wait a minute, well,

1209
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 1: I've never seen fronts at that time because we like

1210
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: like like New York. We excuse me, we had fronts.

1211
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: We didn't have what they have, which whatever it was,

1212
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: that was the only different. I was like, what is

1213
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: that in your mouth? Pause? And I remember this day

1214
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: so perfect. I was. I say, I'm out there, I'm

1215
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: out here to meet with what what? What? What? What? What?

1216
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: I want to meet with no limit? I want to um.

1217
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: And I remember how saying to me, we on that

1218
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: cash money right now? And I was like what And

1219
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: I kid you not. It wasn't on the radio. It

1220
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: was nothing. It was like how you just said they

1221
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: funded some totally different sh really like this, Yes, you know,

1222
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: we were, you know, it was like, wow, it's it's

1223
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: it's Jewish now now I remember it being pushed and

1224
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 1: it was Julie. It was definitely Jewish. It was almost

1225
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: like one of those like don't support this, support this

1226
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: or this label and you know what I mean, that's

1227
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: what you know. I mean, like I said, money to us,

1228
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: guy walks out of the room, but what it does,

1229
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: and like it's the old game. It's the old game.

1230
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:00,719
Speaker 1: It's like you can put black faces, you could pimp

1231
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: black faces, and you can put a black business out

1232
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: of business. But I think that, but I think also

1233
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: that this this ways to go about certain things. You.

1234
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: I think numbers is the soul of a robot, and

1235
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: the human beings have a post that we need to understand.

1236
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: Our mistakes are is our mistakes. But bigger is not

1237
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: always better. And sometimes you can make better and keep

1238
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: it like this and and and be able to drive

1239
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: that small vehicle a long distance. Sometimes the big vehicles

1240
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: run out of gas. A better version of yourself in

1241
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: a more compact situation. And I think that's the beautiful

1242
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 1: thing about art, because you know it could be anything

1243
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: in license. You can license to ill. That's why that

1244
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,759
Speaker 1: did the dude that did Delbert his name Scott Adams.

1245
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't mean to be doing a reverse plug here,

1246
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: but he got caught in in in a scandal when

1247
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: he started coming off out the mouth of like stay

1248
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: away from black people and all that. And I said,

1249
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: you know he had the license to ill as all

1250
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: of the if you just had Dilbert do all that

1251
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: people would have gave a fuck the minute you put

1252
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: your face on the camera and start talking to the mic,

1253
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: you out of your lane. Yeah, and you know what,

1254
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: you ain't nobody compared to your to your product. Your

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01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: character is the one you should have spoken to. That's

1256
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: your license to ill the minute you put your face

1257
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: on the camera, and that's everybody you know feels that

1258
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: now everybody's equipped when the lights in the camera actually

1259
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: comes on, yes, y'all, y'all see it. Sometimes you'd be like,

1260
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: you know, you think gotta get loosened up because they're

1261
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: be like, yo, man, they're on the fuck up? Or

1262
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: where's the training in this? Somebody throw you three questions?

1263
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: Can you actually catch three questions and throw four back?

1264
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: And it's like it's a it's a game there, you

1265
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And it's an engagement there too,

1266
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: So it's not trained. So a lot of cats feel nervous. Man.

1267
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: It's like yo, man, that's but the kids is like,

1268
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: it's all right to say you don't know, and it's

1269
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: all right to be an owner of what you think

1270
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: because you know you could be a slave to what

1271
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: you say, So be like, I don't fucking know how

1272
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: to move on with that. But a lot of these

1273
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: training courses could also do better with having artists have

1274
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 1: like twenty years your careers, thirty year, forty year careers,

1275
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: those those casts from Motown. Man, I mean you just

1276
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: had Oley Brothers on. Seriously, Ronald Osley said here, it's like,

1277
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 1: how do you how do you start? It's like like

1278
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: it's incredible and George, oh, George, big up to Aunt George.

1279
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: And I was a wonderful interview. Uncle George is like,

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01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm he spoke too. I kept jail. Don't don't follow

1281
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: that path. Uncle oh yo, man, uncause everything differently right,

1282
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: yeah right, it's Oca has done things that we don't

1283
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: even know. He said it and we were shocked. I said,

1284
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: did you say this? He said, yeah, man, un I'm

1285
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: supposed to get to his crib and we're supposed to

1286
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: do some art together, like he said he did. He

1287
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: did art on that wall. They paid it over it did. Yeah,

1288
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: they keep changing, it changed everybody. We had DMX so

1289
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: like every couple of months, well like but yeah, he

1290
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: just came in the game. Was spray can he just yeah, yeah, yeah,

1291
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: I got documented. Yeah, we document the screen agent so

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01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: that the work. Yeah. Yeah, So I've been wanting to

1293
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 1: ask you this question, and I've been in rules I

1294
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: can ask you, well, I can ask you this question,

1295
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: but this is let me ask the question. They can

1296
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: come up and stumble in and they'd be fucked up

1297
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: and nervous. Yes they do, yes, But this is one

1298
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: of my favorite songs of all times. But I've been

1299
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: in a situation where I could ask you this questioner,

1300
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: I've never asked. I want to know, did you really

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01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: get a letter from the government? Of course wasn't. Here's

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01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: the story. It's documented nine and remember born in nineteen

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01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: sixty Yes, Graham, I'm a grandparents crib. You know, southos

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01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: In Park, nineteen sixty seven, in June exactly. You know

1305
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: they moved there from Harlem in nineteen fifty five. You

1306
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: know the you know, it's documents. You know it's come

1307
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: to Queens from Harlem. White flight, you know, wherever black.

1308
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta study black migration, black migrations, like, oh,

1309
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: we could move there, but white people gonna move out,

1310
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, back there because it's like so um nineteen

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01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 1: sixty seven, boom, June. I'm out of school, you know,

1312
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to you know, I'm in first second grade

1313
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 1: something like that. Right. Um, My grandparents also forced the

1314
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: parents of the year, so there's always boys around, right,

1315
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen deep. You know it was amazing, like damn

1316
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: they feeding eight people at the same time, a big

1317
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: bat or whatever. So one of the boys, you call

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01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: him my uncles or whatever. He just got out of

1319
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: high school, went to John Bound right, Yeah, you're doing

1320
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: this is my whole childhood. Let me just say something

1321
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: real quick. By the way, I never went to high school,

1322
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: but when I was in I was in df Wiles

1323
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: in Sparford, and my mother came to see me and

1324
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: I had just got accepted it to John Bown High School.

1325
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: And so if I didn't get locked up, I would

1326
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: have been in John Bown High School. So you're fucking

1327
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: up my whole childhood right now. It was it was

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01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: dead before he was born. I'm just like you built

1329
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: up story anyway. Sure enough, he just got out of

1330
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 1: high school. Wow, to walk up to off the walkway,

1331
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: fucking military dude. Yeah, uncle goes to the door he

1332
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: freshed out of high school, hand him a letter. Dudes

1333
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: like I mean the regalia man like us marine man.

1334
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: Path gives him that walks right towards his car. They

1335
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: were going down to other houses too. I'll picks up letter, right,

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01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: it gives you know, seven years old, You're like, whether

1337
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: you fuck you know, move move, move move. I'm like

1338
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: jumping up. I remember I ain't e four, I ain't two.

1339
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm seven, right going on eight. You know what I'm saying.

1340
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: I got a little sense about me. I'm I'm a

1341
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: nick fan, right, yeah, sure enough. He takes the letter,

1342
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 1: his face drops and he's like, drops that fucking letter

1343
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: on the on the table and goes just to the

1344
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: fucking backyard me. You know, like, I'm picking it up,

1345
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: and I could read a little bit seven you know,

1346
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 1: so so so so, you know, because I couldn't read

1347
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: them the big words. But you have been drafted United

1348
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:58,440
Speaker 1: States Marines are route you know through Campler June, North Carolina,

1349
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: or route the Southeast Asia Vietnam. Wow, drafted into your summer. Dude.

1350
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: You got to be in Cample of June in a week.

1351
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 1: And this is before Ali made these statements on this

1352
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: is this is in that period that same man, I

1353
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 1: mean by six sixty seven, man, doctor Martin is the

1354
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: King makes a speech that that kind of kicks everybody

1355
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: in the stomach, like, oh no, he he's beyond having

1356
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: a dream. He's like saying, you know, motherfucked the Vietnam War.

1357
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: The day was like tucking that to the back. We

1358
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: can't have we can't have, we can't have to dream

1359
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 1: us say this. Yeah, even the even the government and

1360
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: the presidents, like I thought, I thought MLK was my

1361
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: man whatever. So that was going on. There's no TikTok. Yeah,

1362
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,919
Speaker 1: no TikTok. So that was going on. You had Muhammad

1363
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: Ali June fourth, nineteen sixty seven. That was going on

1364
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 1: with Mohamma Muhammad two weeks after Brown. All of them

1365
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: was in that's the black. I believe that that was

1366
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: sixty eight. I got it June June four, ninety sixty seven,

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01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven. I stand corrected Bobby Mitchell and had

1368
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 1: Bobby Mitchell. You had Jim Brown center at the time.

1369
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 1: Was later Yeah, yeah, because because at the same time,

1370
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, the only one that had a voice in

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01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: the microphone. This wasn't athletes back back in his head

1372
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: like they give him a athlete to mic and then

1373
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: pull it back. But Ali wasn't having that. He wasn't

1374
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: like that. I'm taking about im driming. I'm pretty all

1375
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: due uh to respect and praises to our Allah. Who's Allah?

1376
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, you know, every time, you know,

1377
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: every time they want to mess with black folks, they

1378
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna just fuck up your name, like Kip

1379
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: Farra Cans. I was like, the fuck is Afara ca

1380
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 1: do it? Like, oh yeah, you know what the fund?

1381
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: Who the fuck is Alla Fu. It's like you you

1382
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: have more to see, but you gotta be like I

1383
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: kim Elijah one, you have grace before I smack you.

1384
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, he got that letter, he dropped it.

1385
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: I read that. I was like, yeah, no, he's fucked up.

1386
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: He's not going he ain't gonna have a party this summer.

1387
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: And back then, you know, Motown's popping, like you know,

1388
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: like four times, shake me, wake me, two is over.

1389
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Seven rooms are gloom, you know, motoil,

1390
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: let's get it popping. You know what I'm saying. Nope,

1391
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: he's going up Vietnam the Marine Corps. That yeah, And

1392
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: that's where that story came from. And the fact is

1393
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: that he and a couple of other uncles came back,

1394
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: they got strapped. No couple came back, you know. And

1395
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: they used to come back with these purple hearts, and

1396
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: me and my brother used to play put them on

1397
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: the g I Joes because they didn't give a fuck

1398
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: about the goddamn purple heart. This is why I why

1399
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: a lot of cats was fucked up, man, A lot

1400
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 1: of cats were sucked up. And when nineteen sixty nine

1401
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: seventy seventy one, man seventy to seventy three, because we

1402
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: got to go back and forth to cousins of relatives

1403
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: in the city all the fucking time, man, and going

1404
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: back to the Bronx. Man, it was tough, man, because

1405
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: cats is like they backed from Vietnam, cast is shooting

1406
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: up of arms, man, and and the thing that that

1407
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: that stirred me away from drugs. Man, it was like

1408
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 1: I was like, a look at them and cats a

1409
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: shooting in there. I'm like, I don't fuck I mean

1410
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: that the whole You know that they destroyed the Bronx too,

1411
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: And they destroyed the Bronxes, yeah yeah, yea yeah, but

1412
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: Black and Porterbeca y'all lived there, and fuck that. You know,

1413
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 1: we never gonna service it. And fucking y'all. Y'all gonna

1414
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: die there, like yeah, it was a war zone and

1415
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: this is why. Yeah, yeah, and this is where we're

1416
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: back into. You know, when we did the documentary, I

1417
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: had to mention them dig up the Laury Bruler, my

1418
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 1: magic partner on that and Kevin Kevin a in the house,

1419
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, and Dominique Um listen um, the BBC PBS series,

1420
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: Uh like the power Dig up to Asley Brothers for

1421
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: sparking that that whole thought how hip hop changed the world,

1422
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 1: important words the world. But out of that seed, out

1423
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: of the Bronx, it was just in franchise left for Dead,

1424
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: out of that seed of you know, it rose like

1425
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: a rose out of the ashes, like a phoenix. It's

1426
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: like people that had to do something. And big up

1427
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: to the Grandmaster cash Man, pick up to the Grandmaster

1428
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 1: Flash Bambar a cool hrk you know all the cats

1429
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: in the beginning. Man, that's just made something out of nothing,

1430
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: man and I want to do't call it nothing, but

1431
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 1: it was left foot dead and we have to also

1432
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: the key thing is this, we can never ignore the

1433
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: context of time. Time has its context. A lot of

1434
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: things we're in the fast forward go on and check

1435
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: it out on YouTube, check it through the screen. The

1436
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: reasons why our books stand up because books appear on

1437
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: your own time, Like I don't understand this ship. We'll

1438
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 1: take your time and saw it down to the context

1439
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: whenever you read through a phone and digital man to

1440
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,679
Speaker 1: cold appear and disappear. How many casts you know always

1441
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: got got by three card money? Now you see it?

1442
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: Now you don't underneath the clam and the crab, you know,

1443
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: cats is like, whoa, that's what social media is. I

1444
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: got you what you thought you saw. You probably didn't see. Man,

1445
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: do you think, oh say you thought you saw it right?

1446
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,839
Speaker 1: Maybe you did. Maybe I'll give you something else instead,

1447
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, and they got you shaken to the lights.

1448
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god. You know like that, digital appears and

1449
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: disappears at somebody, somebody else's behest. Now we're in the

1450
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: time where people are attacked and attached to their gadgets,

1451
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:35,919
Speaker 1: and I make Nolan, I give no slander on scholars

1452
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: on scholarship, you know why if we want to read, right,

1453
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: what's the deal? We read what we like to read.

1454
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: We're not fucking around with shit. We don't want to

1455
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: what we don't want to read. Scholars read every fucking thing.

1456
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: They mostly read the fucking, the fucking bad, and the ugly,

1457
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: and they read the good and they process it. That's

1458
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 1: why you can't have a conversation debate with a scholar,

1459
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: because the scholar read the pro con in the middle

1460
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: side to come up with understand the perspective, right, the

1461
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: only thing you can do. It's like, yo, by the fucker,

1462
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: I can't fuck with you, you know, say that because

1463
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: like even in sports, it is based on a fact,

1464
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: it's not really based on opinion. When we start talking

1465
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: about the arts, we kind of get into the world

1466
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: of taste, what makes you like distaste and that taste

1467
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: versus in the world. But then you go and if

1468
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 1: somebody through, if somebody threw you some chief ship that

1469
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: hurts you in the fucking morning, that right, So then

1470
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: they g I don't have mimosas. So taste is a

1471
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: charting thing when it comes down to the art. But

1472
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 1: also we should have a broad vision where art is

1473
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 1: before we grade what art should be. You know what

1474
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But it's a it's a it's a custom taste,

1475
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, And scholarship. When people have a debate about

1476
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. Man. I think we should

1477
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: hold scholars in high regard, man, because like I said,

1478
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: they spend it most of day time reading that bullshit

1479
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 1: they don't want to read and that they don't want

1480
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 1: to be. And the thing about the speed of of

1481
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 1: inaccurate bullshit out there is beyond what the human mind

1482
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: could fucking catch. Because I mean this ship, the speed

1483
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: of what ship comes through your phones and come and

1484
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 1: the new and understand this and culture every hip hop,

1485
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: every generation is five years, he said. But mister, mister,

1486
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: we we like to praise you and give you your

1487
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: flowers to your face. Oh man, flowers anything I want

1488
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 1: I want, even if I want you to know the flowers. Listen,

1489
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: I want you to know how these are flowers. Okay, flowers.

1490
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: I like that. Flowers. Yeah, well I got It's like

1491
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 1: a Grammy sounds like this from you. She's dropping me

1492
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: all the way. Because we want you to really understand, man,

1493
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,799
Speaker 1: this is special. We want you to understand how important

1494
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: you are to the culture, to to us. Yeah, to

1495
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 1: the world you are. You are a teacher, you are

1496
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: you are our scholar. How about that? Wow? Man? Those

1497
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: other scholars is nice? Wow? Yeah, man, I mean and

1498
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: you said it earlier. You said you said you ain't

1499
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: going to church or whatever, but no I ain't. If

1500
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: you were to open up a church, If you were

1501
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 1: to open up a church, I bet me be the

1502
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: first two people to sign up. Actually, hold up, Hold up,

1503
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: because we need to talk about the hip hop Union,

1504
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: because that is the first thing way to say. You're

1505
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: gonna kicking me out already. No no, no, no no no.

1506
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: We getting drunk. You ain't gonna drink. Make sure make church.

1507
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: He's good, make sure she's good. He had a drink.

1508
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: There's bathroom breaks and whatever you want. Let me go

1509
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: back to the fight the Power thing. You all listen

1510
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: the first in Fluorid the reason when will fight the power?

1511
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: We were commissioned to do that song? Or Spike Lee, Yeah,

1512
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: because a lot of times you don't like, yo, what's crazy?

1513
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: What's crazy? Last year with the Elvis movie Man, I

1514
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: got Yo, Man, it was like Elvis trolls everywhere. Man,

1515
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 1: So Captain's coming at me, like yo, Chuck Man looking

1516
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 1: at me sidewise, Why the fuck you do that to Elvis?

1517
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: Someone was a herold the most screen ag. So you

1518
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 1: saw a movie, So you saw a movie, got all

1519
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: sensitizing shit. Now you coming at me? What I said,

1520
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: the line wasn't elvits What was the line? Elvis? Was he?

1521
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:36,759
Speaker 1: But he never meant ship to me. Now listen, listen, listen.

1522
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm commissioned to do a song for do the right

1523
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: thing right, what's the key area and do the right thing?

1524
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:51,560
Speaker 1: That's jumped ship off my man, Jim Posito radio, No

1525
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 1: there this, there's a theme before that. Jim Carlos Borsito says, Yo, Sun,

1526
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 1: how come ain't no black people in the wall. The

1527
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: whole fucking movies about that. You got a company, you

1528
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 1: got a business in a black new a changing black neighborhood.

1529
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: You ain't got no black people on the wall. And

1530
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 1: so I was like, Yo, man, the fuck it ain't

1531
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: gonna change. That's the whole fucking theme. I gotta write

1532
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 1: a song for the theme of the fucking movie. That

1533
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: third verse, basically it's saying, I'm scraping them fucking heroes

1534
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: off the goddamn wall. The cats be coming at me,

1535
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: and like, oh I didn't know that that that that

1536
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: the powers in the movie. That the fuck the beate

1537
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: with me about one thing? One thing I know is

1538
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 1: my ship are you gonna know me better than me.

1539
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 1: You might know verses and shit like that I forgot

1540
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: because I'm not good on memory. One thing. I'm on

1541
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: memory on this is the other thing about me. I

1542
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: think if I had a good memory, like for bars

1543
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 1: and shit like that, like like fucking cane and iced

1544
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: tea could say sit from fifty years ago. I think

1545
01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: my head's too forward. Shit. I never had writing block.

1546
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: I can't remember ship Man. Take me like eight years

1547
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: to remember one fucking verse. But if I did have

1548
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: a fucking memory, I'd be the greatest motherfucker of all time.

1549
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: But you know, you know, I'm up in a hundred,

1550
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: so I'm all right. But if I don't have a

1551
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: good memory. But as far as facts and picture memory

1552
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 1: of the events, it's just crystal fucking clear. El Me

1553
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 1: was coming at you, yo, Yo, they were coming at

1554
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: me like yo. I saw the movie Man, and I'm

1555
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: on fucking butter heard. I'm like the fuck man. Okay,

1556
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: So what happens in this movie? I don't understand. They're

1557
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 1: just saying it made them like Elvis the movie Yeah, okay,

1558
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:37,440
Speaker 1: and me I'm a music historian, Okay, Yes, Elvis had attributes.

1559
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 1: I've seen you give props to in times, badass white boy,

1560
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: right people whatever. But at the same time I'm talking

1561
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 1: about I was sixties, in the seventies. We'd drunk on

1562
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: Elvis and all you gotta do is look for black people.

1563
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Look up black people in commercials in the sixties and

1564
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 1: the seventies, and how many fun It's like society happened,

1565
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 1: and we was a part of that motherfucker at all.

1566
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 1: We've always part of the news. It's like so and

1567
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 1: so got arrested and throwing in the squad garb of

1568
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 1: the fucking first ten minutes of the news were in

1569
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 1: that motherfucker. You don't see black people at the end

1570
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: of the news, not even in the weather, no commercials,

1571
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 1: maybe on the ball field and shit like that. They

1572
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,719
Speaker 1: wasn't given them the mic. They were afraid of Ali.

1573
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Dave Parker, people like Reggie I remember Reddie

1574
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: Jackson first comes to New York. Is like he's a

1575
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 1: problem because he talks to fucking But when you keep

1576
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 1: asking the questions and shit was like, you know, can

1577
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: I tell you how much as a growing black young man,

1578
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: I was insulted by society. I was fucking insulted. But

1579
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 1: but you know what I said, it was my advantage.

1580
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 1: You keep thinking I'm a dumb motherfucker man really seriously,

1581
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 1: and that's why when hip hop came about and I

1582
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 1: heard people like Starsky, I heard, I heard Mellie mell Man,

1583
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: I thought, yo man, he he dropped from god Man,

1584
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: I said, I never heard nobody, no Mellie mel before records.

1585
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: Man killed Mellie mel and Flash the Furious two three

1586
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: mcnes and Ryan Heman. Yo Man, I I was like,

1587
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the first MC and this is the

1588
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Mellie mel moment, right, A bunch of mail stories up

1589
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: in here. But I'm a trunk kate and trunk kit

1590
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: means condensed, compressed. I didn't know that. For some reason,

1591
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: I moved in, um yo, Mellie mel Man. You know,

1592
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: I used to like how rap was before records, keep

1593
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: the party moving. I like to be broadcasting. I saw

1594
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 1: Marv Albert was very much a hero because the way

1595
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: I used to hear how he broadcasts, not just say Marvel,

1596
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: Marv Albot man mar everybody. He would be like, I mean,

1597
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:01,680
Speaker 1: he would those styling man, That's what I heard. I

1598
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,560
Speaker 1: would he would, you know, he though styling is vernacular,

1599
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, and just a flow

1600
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 1: because you gotta you gotta flow. When you announced basketball games, man,

1601
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 1: and I was like that I wanted to become a sportscaster.

1602
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 1: But then hip hop came and I said, Dan, that's

1603
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 1: sort of like the same ship. So I used to

1604
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 1: go down to the parks and just kind of like

1605
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 1: be on the sideline just talking shit right and pass.

1606
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 1: It's like oh right, boom, And then hip hop came.

1607
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 1: I'm like wow. So I would go to advance, Man,

1608
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 1: and everybody just thought they could rhyme at seventy nine

1609
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: and seventy eight. For some reason, they couldn't. Yeah, because

1610
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 1: you try to get your dance on ye and the

1611
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: worst thing is somebody on the terretators that can't fucking

1612
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: DJ and somebody on the mic they can't can't mc MC,

1613
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean that you had to rhyme. Maybe you had

1614
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 1: to move the crowd, make an announcement at the door

1615
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: and some ship, you know, but move that ship, you

1616
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 1: move your car, whatever you had. The MC had to

1617
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: keep that party a couple of plays. I would go, Man,

1618
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:58,600
Speaker 1: especially at the colleges, Man, and I'll be like, you

1619
01:31:58,640 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: know what, man, I'm gonna get on the mic the

1620
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,639
Speaker 1: sit these motherfucking whack motherfuckers down so we don't stop

1621
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 1: fucking my dance ship up. And that's when Hank saw

1622
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 1: me at one of the colleges and said, Yo, man,

1623
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: we need an MC. I'm like, I just want to

1624
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 1: go to the parties and do the flyers. Man, I

1625
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: don't want to it. And then that became a whole

1626
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 1: another thing, man. So that's what got me jumped off.

1627
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 1: But the first MC that I ever heard on the

1628
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 1: mic in live and Living Color, that really fucking blew

1629
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: me away. No, Mellie Mel, Yo, man, Mellie Me. Mellie

1630
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: Mel's first when people came a recording artist, Yeah, I

1631
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 1: called Mellie Mel Will Chamberlain because between Mellie Mel and

1632
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: the second dude, and you can say it's Kaz or

1633
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 1: Moldi or whatever, Mellie Mel is like world Chamberlain. Man,

1634
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,640
Speaker 1: fifty points a game on your point game, It's like

1635
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: he up here in the second and the third, the

1636
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,719
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth is down there. He had the longest,

1637
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 1: the widest gap or the best and the next best

1638
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 1: to me my personal opinion, ever And then he had

1639
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:03,839
Speaker 1: a dude on the turn tables. That was just fucking

1640
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Mellie mellon flash. But we shouldn't even really well, just

1641
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 1: went vibrale because he said that. He said that he

1642
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: believes that Eminem wouldn't be that great because he I

1643
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 1: don't want to miss call and he said Kendrick rid

1644
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:23,600
Speaker 1: doesn't resonate with people or something like that. Ten generations

1645
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 1: and hip hopping wrap. Every generation got this thing. Um

1646
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: and Mellie Mel's generation. I think there was no gap.

1647
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 1: He was. The gap was so far between him and

1648
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: the next cat. MODI would admit that and ship say

1649
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: what the fuck? I was a second and fucking Melons

1650
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 1: on the mountain. But Eminem and Black thought, big up

1651
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: the Black thought and the roots and also Eminem cyborgs. Man,

1652
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,600
Speaker 1: they cyborgs and computer and but let me tell you this,

1653
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:51,560
Speaker 1: we can't also get caught up because you know, you

1654
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 1: got future generations and then you got people who ain't

1655
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 1: going to even get on the register who was so dope,

1656
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: like sky Zoo it's so dope, was saying out right now,

1657
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 1: Scots was so dope. But it's just like so many

1658
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 1: as a trillion mcs out there. So Cass is going

1659
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 1: into their style. But here's here's what we could get

1660
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: a little USA arrogant and let me tell you, and

1661
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: they confuse average what you was talking about earlier, the

1662
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: confusion of arrogance and confidence and swag and audacity and

1663
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: moxie and all that shit for a long period of time.

1664
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Wherever you were in the world, when the New Yorker

1665
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,719
Speaker 1: walks in the room, do you feel it? They said

1666
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 1: we were cocky. They said we were cocky. We just

1667
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 1: said that. Wherever you go on the planet Earth, when

1668
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 1: the New Yorker walk in the room and you ain't

1669
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: from New York and be like, oh, here coming that

1670
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 1: New York ship. But we don't mean it. That's what's

1671
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: fucked up about it. We don't actually need it, don't

1672
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: don't it a certain confidence? I know you, I don't

1673
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 1: mean it, but I'm but let me give you some

1674
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 1: relevance because the USA is make the same arrogant move

1675
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 1: to the rest of the world, right smell if you

1676
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 1: from the USA. And in fact, number one, if you

1677
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 1: call themselves Americans, like nobody else can the America since

1678
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: you America could ri be American, South America, Bolivians now

1679
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:24,680
Speaker 1: American too. Now that to account, because we really the

1680
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 1: fucking Americans. That's the same motherfucker checking everybody to speak English,

1681
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 1: everybody mean by the British to say all y'all getting

1682
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,560
Speaker 1: the fucking shit wrong. I'll tell you, I'm sorry, you

1683
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: got Listen, I don't know. I tell you the funniest ship.

1684
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: Excuse me. Whenever I see somebody who's like racist a

1685
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 1: little bit, I always say to them, you know, we

1686
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:54,720
Speaker 1: should go to Europe together, because in Europe we're all Americans.

1687
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 1: They hate us equally. Like the only time I've ever been,

1688
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 1: and this is real shit, the only time I ever

1689
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: like felt like like America was accepted. I'm gonna be

1690
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: honest with you, this is when Obama was in office.

1691
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 1: When Obama is in office, it was like America, you

1692
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 1: guys are pretty cool. But then when Trump got back

1693
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 1: in office, oh yeah, oh yeah. When when Trump was

1694
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 1: in office, that was the end of whatever was left

1695
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: the black of the black card that we used to get.

1696
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: Going back in the morn, we traveled the world. Listen man,

1697
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: our first tour we traveling. Let me let me tell

1698
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 1: you travels. I got fifty books in me only put

1699
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: out ten. I got forty to go, I gotta figure

1700
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: this one out anywhere, because I got stories listening. We

1701
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:46,599
Speaker 1: playing in Germany, West Germany at the time. No, that's

1702
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: that's West too, that's West Germany. Were playing in West Germany,

1703
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 1: but we traveled on the bus and we got to

1704
01:36:55,200 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: play Berlin. Now, listen, you you love postmodern Berlin. This

1705
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 1: is now in order to get from the line at

1706
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: the end of West Germany, you gotta take this one

1707
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 1: motherfucking road to West Berlin, which is in the middle

1708
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: of East Germany. But it's flit into two areas. So

1709
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,600
Speaker 1: the minute you get to the fucking line, be that's it.

1710
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:26,800
Speaker 1: Four o'clock in the morning. They waking your ass up

1711
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 1: with dogs and flashlights. Who know, the machine guns and

1712
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 1: machine guns in your fucking face, and what do you do?

1713
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 1: You know what I was like, we concert music, black people,

1714
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 1: It's like, it's your ass, every single one of your

1715
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: asses off the bus in the middle and three o'clock

1716
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 1: in the morning and Skippy's man, and we're gonna look

1717
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 1: in your eyes and see if you're lining up with

1718
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: the passport to take this one ass road to West Berlin,

1719
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:55,759
Speaker 1: and don't straight to get off this motherfucking road. Wow,

1720
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 1: you go to West Berlin and you see a wall

1721
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:03,919
Speaker 1: bob wire and dividing the city in half. I performed

1722
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,679
Speaker 1: in West Berlin one time next to a Nazi club.

1723
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: I went outside the smoke a cigarette by eightiot that

1724
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 1: I was, and you ever feel somebody looking at you

1725
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 1: and you know they're looking at you, And I turned

1726
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 1: it all smoking a cigarette and every one of these

1727
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:23,719
Speaker 1: guys had the ostica And one year was that that? Okay?

1728
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 1: So that was that was That was ten years after

1729
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: the war, So it was it was fully integrated. Both.

1730
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 1: The thing about it, everybody from the East Berlin side,

1731
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 1: the former phil Curtains, the Soviet well as they call

1732
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: communists socialist side. You know, we're like, okay, listen, we're

1733
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 1: supposed to be one Germany now, but I ain't got

1734
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 1: no fucking leg up. You know, y'all from West Germany

1735
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: got money in the bank, We got like a driver

1736
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 1: taxi cab for five hundred years to be able to

1737
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,600
Speaker 1: get an apartment. So you had a lot of that

1738
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 1: shit going on with to your damn right. Nazis was like,

1739
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 1: you know what, we're not gonna be loud about this ship,

1740
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 1: but we need to bring Germany back Germany great again. Right,

1741
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,560
Speaker 1: So back then, it's like we got fans on the

1742
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 1: other side of the Berlin wall. They want to come

1743
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 1: to the gig, but at the wall, the motherfucker's like this,

1744
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: you get a bad case of the deads. You know

1745
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, All that fight, the power of shit

1746
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 1: fucking stops right here. And this is what I'm saying.

1747
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:23,760
Speaker 1: Wherever you go, you can't be like wearing. It's like,

1748
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,879
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm American. It's like what part of America

1749
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 1: you're a US ayer? So we gotta kind of like

1750
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 1: tone down and once upont of the time, we didn't

1751
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 1: have a black card, because we had a black card

1752
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 1: because because people recognize I struck, Oh yeah, Marl Luther

1753
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: King that killed Malcolm X. Y'all. Motherfucker's the rebels. You know,

1754
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:43,719
Speaker 1: you're invited any year. Then later on when President Obama

1755
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 1: and I call him president, I don't call him Barack

1756
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 1: like people think they know him by name. What the fuck?

1757
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: You know? President Obama came in. I knew that shit man,

1758
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 1: all right, he's president. Half of that black card disappear

1759
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: because now he's the president in States. He ain't gonna

1760
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:03,240
Speaker 1: be the president of black people's president of the United States.

1761
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: What does that do for you, Chuck? You get a

1762
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:08,680
Speaker 1: chance to buy some time four years. We get a

1763
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:10,640
Speaker 1: chance to buy the time to go to where we

1764
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 1: gotta get in the world do order to connect with

1765
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 1: our people. The diaspora is very important. The diaspora is

1766
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 1: black brown people around the world. You know, it really

1767
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 1: is the human race. But we gotta say black folks

1768
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:28,560
Speaker 1: around the world where it's like, okay, population, this is

1769
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 1: what thirteen or fifteen percent, I don't ever know where

1770
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 1: the two percent means black people in the United States

1771
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 1: of America? Right, what does that mean? You outnumbered? So

1772
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 1: you got to connect with the days. You can't have

1773
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 1: no differences. Sometimes you might have to say, you know,

1774
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 1: I got to get an idea from this cat that's

1775
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 1: in Swaziland, and I gotta connect with this cat. We

1776
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 1: got gadgets, we got computers that they're able to sit,

1777
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 1: better computers than they had when they sent something to

1778
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:56,719
Speaker 1: the moon. And I ain't gonna get into that conspiracy

1779
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 1: theory either or whatever. I'm not even getting that because

1780
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 1: I having conversations with people that think they've been there.

1781
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, you were point in nineteen ain't he want

1782
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: the fuck it was the director. They said that he

1783
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 1: did as the first person of green screen. Hey, the

1784
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 1: model with me, I believe you know my motto, I

1785
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:18,759
Speaker 1: believe everything and nothing at all. You believe everything, everything

1786
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 1: and nothing to fuck at all? This model as it rolls,

1787
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:25,639
Speaker 1: I gotta like evaluate this, sit with it a while.

1788
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: I sit it to the side, like you know, I

1789
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 1: get back to that later. Man, I'm not gonna tell

1790
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 1: you what I believe or not believe. I gotta do

1791
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 1: some evaluation before your ass tried to tell me what

1792
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 1: it is. So, I mean, the point that I'm saying

1793
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 1: is that that you know in this in this way

1794
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 1: to go around the world. I just think that we

1795
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 1: could be more aware. I mean, this place is in

1796
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:55,400
Speaker 1: the world. Seriously, we're playing We're playing Taiwan where they say, shit,

1797
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:57,560
Speaker 1: you didn't see that. You say that. They said in

1798
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 1: the war, when you hit the airport, anything boy in

1799
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:04,800
Speaker 1: this country pelts death. Yeah, I didn't read that. They

1800
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 1: kept my ass in the airport. I had a sword

1801
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 1: that we use on the stage. Yeah, left me. Where's James?

1802
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 1: The little dudes had me in the corner and says

1803
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 1: you cannot bring this. They have a smile on their face.

1804
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 1: None of them matters. They had machine guns. Little dude.

1805
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:30,679
Speaker 1: I went the signal bare. I went to signal bore,

1806
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 1: and when I landed, you can't spit. When I landed

1807
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:36,640
Speaker 1: the signal bore, they put me to the back. I

1808
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,680
Speaker 1: thought I had a key lord cocaine. You know what.

1809
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 1: They put me over for cigarettes. It's illegal to buy

1810
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 1: cigarettes if it's not from signal. I think that's where

1811
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 1: they last. There was an American kid. I think in

1812
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,720
Speaker 1: the nineties that they gave lashes too for doing graffiti. Well,

1813
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: let me tell you this. You spit, you go to jail.

1814
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this. Know the law. Know everything

1815
01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 1: about the law that you go and know exactly. Just

1816
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 1: know that is Understand that. Man, there's two hundred and

1817
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 1: twenty countries on this planet. Are twenty twenty two that

1818
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,719
Speaker 1: the James recently said, I thought it was two fourteen.

1819
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,559
Speaker 1: The place is splitting in the different factions and ship

1820
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 1: know it. I was playing the Jacarta with prophets of raids.

1821
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 1: They got the prophets of raids. Yo. Man. It was like, listen,

1822
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 1: play your songs, do not speak to the audience. We're

1823
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 1: gonna tell you once. I can't say it again, right,

1824
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry your songs. Play the song, but don't speak

1825
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 1: to the don't say shit to the audience right now.

1826
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 1: Now here's another thing. How would you do this? You

1827
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:41,600
Speaker 1: just you play your song. I can't say throw your

1828
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 1: hands in the air the audience. No, no, stop the song.

1829
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:49,720
Speaker 1: By the way, I think that you can't be like

1830
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,320
Speaker 1: your whole girl in the purple. You look good that

1831
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 1: the line, I mean, we played the basin back in

1832
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 1: the listen. We played in places when it was was

1833
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 1: just for your your ship. But Beijing, I got I

1834
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 1: got lost without effort. After I said, I was looking

1835
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 1: like he's been trying to correct you all day. You

1836
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 1: just his hero. You need this a Mike Tyson ding.

1837
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 1: He just looked at He's like, I'm not correcting the job.

1838
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 1: But my drop, he said, dj Ef, No, he loves you.

1839
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 1: He loves you. Listen as you is he crying in

1840
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:41,559
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Yeah, that's come up with some funny. I'll

1841
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:45,120
Speaker 1: be fucked up trying to. By the way, Ef, it's

1842
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 1: like yall on two different days. It's like fathers. I'm

1843
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 1: so sorry. Another probles. He goes to crazy Crazy legs

1844
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 1: are right yes, crazy and pick ups the crazy legs

1845
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:02,400
Speaker 1: um one of my hills. Look, man, he said, I

1846
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 1: don't pick up his phone right. Every year he would

1847
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 1: ask me to come to rock Steady. We was on

1848
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 1: tour every fucking year, and I was like, bro, I'm sorry,

1849
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,320
Speaker 1: and it would be around July, which would go into

1850
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,439
Speaker 1: my birthday and it was like, damn man, every year

1851
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 1: and every years on it. I didn't even show up

1852
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 1: to ice CU's Big Three because every year he would

1853
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 1: have at July in August. And that's why I said, finally,

1854
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 1: when the when the locomotive slowed down, I was like,

1855
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 1: now I'm able to see places on my own time. Man.

1856
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:36,679
Speaker 1: It's like, but yeah, big big, you know, apologies and yeah,

1857
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 1: I mean I don't pick up a phone. I mean

1858
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 1: I'll be looking at it. I'll be looking at the

1859
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 1: phone and I'm like, I'm never answering this motherfucker whatever.

1860
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 1: You know, so you gotta text me and and I

1861
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:48,840
Speaker 1: could give you or whatever back, but you know, it's

1862
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 1: it's it's just what it is. Man. We circle. Man,

1863
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 1: It's like, you know how it is now? You know

1864
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,719
Speaker 1: what's crazy hearing you say that? What I just thought

1865
01:45:56,479 --> 01:46:00,679
Speaker 1: was I'm not revisiting places that I've been to for performance,

1866
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 1: Like I've been to Hawaii so many times, Honolulu, but

1867
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 1: I went to it for business first, so big even

1868
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 1: I write that first half of this show. But it

1869
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 1: was crazy because I you know, um, I've re visited

1870
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 1: places now that I've only been to for work, right, So,

1871
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:33,639
Speaker 1: like it's so many places like Hawaii or so many

1872
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 1: when somebody paid, oh yeah, because you know, you know

1873
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:40,680
Speaker 1: what they pay you to come to the So now

1874
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 1: what somebody said, can you come in and actually pay

1875
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 1: the fucking flight. You know, it's a totally different thing

1876
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 1: because I remember me actually hating Paris. Like I'm sorry

1877
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 1: for people that live in Paris. I'm sorry y'all. Didn't

1878
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:56,880
Speaker 1: we deal in at first your own listen, your own

1879
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 1: names of what you think. So at first I used

1880
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 1: to go to Paris and I used to be like,

1881
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here. I no Eiffel Tower,

1882
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 1: nothing attracted me. Right, I met my wife, God bless her.

1883
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:12,720
Speaker 1: My wife said, motherfucker you getting out this hotel room

1884
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 1: and we're gonna motherfucking go, We're gonna eat, we eat

1885
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:18,719
Speaker 1: the brand. I fucking rode a bicycle. I was felt

1886
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:22,679
Speaker 1: fucking retarded. But I was just like, I was like, Okay,

1887
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 1: this is culture, Like this is what we're supposed to do.

1888
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:28,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know that being from New York. We want

1889
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:31,560
Speaker 1: to keep on, we want to keep our timberlands on

1890
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 1: in the ocean. We don't break. And it was the

1891
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 1: first time was my wife just was actually showing me that, listen, culture,

1892
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 1: this is this is what you you kind of do.

1893
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 1: But I took all of this for granted. I took

1894
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 1: you from New York. Se how much culture is in

1895
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:54,559
Speaker 1: New York? That have you? Have you visited nothing? I've

1896
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 1: never been in I've never been in the Statue of Liberty.

1897
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 1: A lot of New York is when you tell them, like, listen,

1898
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 1: there's so much in New York. You really kind of

1899
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 1: ain't got to go nowhere else, but you got to

1900
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:11,080
Speaker 1: go to New York, none of them listen. You've been

1901
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 1: to my studio. I've had a thirty second in Madison.

1902
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 1: I had a studio across the street from um down

1903
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:20,720
Speaker 1: the block from Empire State Building. I've never had the

1904
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 1: urge of walking in my whole life, right who life?

1905
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:29,719
Speaker 1: People in another country are dying. You know what's crazy?

1906
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:31,519
Speaker 1: This is what this This was crazy. When you go

1907
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:33,720
Speaker 1: to Europe, right, and you speak to someone from Europe, right,

1908
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 1: they always say, because the States, by the way, I

1909
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:40,240
Speaker 1: hate stop calling us the States fucking assholes. Right, this

1910
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:42,879
Speaker 1: is the States. That's more accurate than not saying American.

1911
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,280
Speaker 1: But here's here's here's it. If you ever speak to

1912
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 1: someone from Europe they say, so, you say, it's like yeah,

1913
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:49,720
Speaker 1: because you know in the States it'd be like that,

1914
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:51,439
Speaker 1: and I'll be looking at them. I'd be like, okay,

1915
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:54,200
Speaker 1: so what state have you been to? And then the

1916
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 1: spect to Seattle. But then they'll they'll say something like, oh,

1917
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 1: I've visited Seattle and they went to Seattle for two

1918
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:03,280
Speaker 1: days and they based the whole America office before they

1919
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:06,920
Speaker 1: visit for Seattle. And I'd be so happy to crush

1920
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 1: their dreams and to say you've never been in America, sir,

1921
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:14,960
Speaker 1: But just you've been to Tacoma, but your your culture

1922
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 1: didn't style the first thing you said, douster doff. But

1923
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:21,400
Speaker 1: but but to play Germany, you play eight different places

1924
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:25,679
Speaker 1: because you've you've also employed the Hamburger, right, but pulling

1925
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 1: you place. But the Irish person is going to go

1926
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 1: to one city on the trail Ima go to Hamburg

1927
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 1: and come to fuck. You can't judge Germany over Hamburg.

1928
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:38,320
Speaker 1: You gotta. But that's why artists have the window to

1929
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 1: teach the world to those you know, it is Hamburg, Hamburg, yeah,

1930
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 1: and Frankfort and Frankfort yeah. And I didn't need a

1931
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 1: Hamburger on Frankfort there. That's the license that artists have.

1932
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:56,760
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, give us your time and we'll

1933
01:49:56,840 --> 01:50:00,760
Speaker 1: give you the world. But you know, some times when

1934
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 1: it came out, I want to give you a black

1935
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 1: side of the world. But everything about us is fucked up.

1936
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 1: It's like, you'll come on. Really, it's like we ain't

1937
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 1: got some We can't even say the word beautiful. That

1938
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:11,520
Speaker 1: was the thing about Kid Lamar. He used a beautiful

1939
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 1: in his vernacular. You know. Uh, Kanye has done things

1940
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:19,680
Speaker 1: like that makes you say, wow, that's just beautiful. You

1941
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:22,599
Speaker 1: ask me about Kanye, I'm like I said this for years.

1942
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 1: I say, well, he started his own religion, and the

1943
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 1: dude is like salvad Or Dolly. Oh shit, that's a good.

1944
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 1: But if you don't know Salvador Dolly, it's like, well,

1945
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 1: I mean I said bars and lyrics. I said, you

1946
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: ain't gonna catch up to this ship until you become coaches.

1947
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 1: It's like, but I'm not trying to educate you at fourteen.

1948
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 1: That's somebody who's twenty that you love has got to

1949
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:45,560
Speaker 1: do that job. Me. I'm like, you know, I'm like,

1950
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm like me and we were sex egenerians. Man, that's

1951
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 1: our official title. You know you're your sixties man, so

1952
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 1: you should talk about things A beautiful thing man. The

1953
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 1: world is beautiful man. Yeah, but I mean yeah, nature,

1954
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:08,840
Speaker 1: nature will destroyed so much shit. That's the fucking ugly

1955
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 1: aspect of it too. You can spend your time on

1956
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 1: the Weather Channel will always talk about the next disaster,

1957
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 1: but you're giving me a sunny day some goddamn time. God,

1958
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:18,679
Speaker 1: everybody just can't do that. So it's a It's a beautifu.

1959
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:21,599
Speaker 1: Hip hop is such a beautiful for him. So back

1960
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:25,320
Speaker 1: to that that early the hip Hop Alliance Please yes,

1961
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 1: which is hip hop's first union, because I heard that

1962
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 1: you know that that you guys also mentioned that we

1963
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 1: try we try to start it ourselves. We were talking

1964
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:36,639
Speaker 1: about early on, but I'm sure you've been doing it. God, God,

1965
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:41,800
Speaker 1: big up Curtis Blow, who seriously has the longest timeline

1966
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:45,680
Speaker 1: of anybody in recorded hip hop history. He signed the

1967
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:52,000
Speaker 1: first major record contract in nineteen seventy nine. Matter of fact,

1968
01:51:52,040 --> 01:51:54,040
Speaker 1: I think even at seventy nine, they went to look

1969
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 1: and scouted, They try to sign Eddie Cheaper or some

1970
01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:59,960
Speaker 1: of the other star warts, and they end up saying

1971
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:03,280
Speaker 1: Curtis Blow is the perfect person. And by no surprise,

1972
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:07,320
Speaker 1: and ain't no accident, you had what Christmas rapper Alan

1973
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:11,680
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, Blow, Yeah, he's hurt Curtis Blow, and

1974
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:14,760
Speaker 1: then you had the breaks so and and then by

1975
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:17,519
Speaker 1: no surprise, if we cast at first doing records, they

1976
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:19,800
Speaker 1: were the best that did it because nobody else was

1977
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,440
Speaker 1: doing it at that level. It's no surprise that Grandmaster

1978
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:25,760
Speaker 1: Flash and the Furious Five recorded, you know, first for

1979
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:30,599
Speaker 1: Brazilia in October. Then they did enjoy with Bobby Robinson's

1980
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 1: label super Rapping, because them two was a super rapping,

1981
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 1: super rapping Mellie mel Kid Creole and also free Kid Creole. Please,

1982
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,240
Speaker 1: but that's why we have the hip hop SPIONs. Well

1983
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:49,280
Speaker 1: Kid Creole. You had Raheem Mix, Mister saka Scorpio and

1984
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:52,280
Speaker 1: Keith Cowboy, who invented the term hip hop as far

1985
01:52:52,360 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 1: as the recorder story, Yeah yeah, I mean and each

1986
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 1: one of them MC's the Pulleys and you put them

1987
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: together and make five MC sound like one with Grandmaster Flash.

1988
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:07,639
Speaker 1: What it's like, by no mistake, there's like you gotta

1989
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:11,200
Speaker 1: do records so big. All opposite sugar Hill Gang because

1990
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:15,840
Speaker 1: they the first and really it's debatable because King Tim

1991
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 1: the Third was on with playing with Fat Back Band

1992
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 1: with you know, King Tim the Third, which was I mean,

1993
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,800
Speaker 1: Fat Back Band was my favorite, one of my favorite groups.

1994
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 1: So when they came out I heard them on w

1995
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:32,639
Speaker 1: KTU in July nineteen seventy nine, I was like, damn

1996
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 1: he rapping and that's something wold. But when sugar Hill

1997
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:39,560
Speaker 1: came out, the thing that puts sugar Hill over the

1998
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 1: edge they rapped on the Good Times, and my god,

1999
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 1: there's never ever, ever, ever been attracted monumental the hip

2000
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 1: hop and rapping like Good Times nineteen seventy nine, nineteen

2001
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 1: seventy nine. Man, the summer nineteen seventy nine hip hop

2002
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 1: was so crazy with Good Times because it was like

2003
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:08,960
Speaker 1: what it's from chic and show good Time record by

2004
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:12,920
Speaker 1: Bye shep Okay, and they were like what they were

2005
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 1: like they got coin disco because they made the Raider

2006
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:18,720
Speaker 1: happened to play in disco. You know, they're quite what

2007
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 1: freak out that before that everybody dance, so they was

2008
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:27,600
Speaker 1: like they weright they So they got kind of like

2009
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:29,400
Speaker 1: coined as a disco band, but they was just a

2010
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 1: badass motherfucking band. And so when they came out with

2011
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 1: Good Times of seventy nine, I remember being at the party,

2012
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, and they said this new record by Eddie

2013
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 1: Chievera broke it right. He came out the long aud

2014
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 1: and he said, Eddie, you got this new record by

2015
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:43,760
Speaker 1: Chic you know, and everybody's expecting, like the music be

2016
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:47,840
Speaker 1: up tempo like that. They played Good Times and that

2017
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 1: ship started like that, and we were like, what the

2018
01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:56,240
Speaker 1: fuck is this country slow shit? Right? He played it

2019
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:59,000
Speaker 1: two more times that night. It's like, okay, she is

2020
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:03,000
Speaker 1: loaded the tempo down to some country funk whatever. But man,

2021
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:06,680
Speaker 1: in two weeks, DJ's got a hold of that motherfucker

2022
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:10,440
Speaker 1: and down to the blank gang Gang Gang Gang, Good

2023
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 1: Times boom boom and that yo. Man, I'm telling you,

2024
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:19,520
Speaker 1: you can't even describe how hip hop was in June,

2025
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:22,720
Speaker 1: July and August in nineteen seventy nine. There is no

2026
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:26,680
Speaker 1: explanation for it. There is no and there's one tape

2027
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:28,840
Speaker 1: that's going around, but I called the greatest hip hop

2028
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:31,400
Speaker 1: nighte ever was October nineteen seventy nine. It's out there

2029
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:33,760
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I've played on my radio show a bunch

2030
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 1: of times. Big up to everybody at rap station. Yo, man,

2031
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 1: it's Starsky on the Turntables. DJ Hollywood's Eddie Cheaper, it

2032
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 1: is DJ Divine from Infinity Machine. It's Grandmaster Flash, Curtis

2033
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:53,640
Speaker 1: Blow and Mellie Mell and they are like, yo, man,

2034
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:56,080
Speaker 1: you couldn't take your eyes or your ears off of them.

2035
01:55:56,280 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 1: But it was inconceivable that somebody would make a rap

2036
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:01,520
Speaker 1: record because even me was I was like, rap record,

2037
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 1: How the fuck are you gonna put rap on the record.

2038
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:06,400
Speaker 1: It's a three hour thing. Man, It's like I was like,

2039
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:10,080
Speaker 1: it's impossible. I was like, impossible, and I I ain't

2040
01:56:10,120 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 1: no kid, I'm nineteen years old. I'm like, it's impossible

2041
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 1: to make a round. How the fucker. And then when

2042
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:16,880
Speaker 1: King Tim the Third came out like he was like,

2043
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 1: m okay. And then when sugar Hillcad sugar Hill did it,

2044
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:29,480
Speaker 1: it was like, Yo, that's it. And the thing about it, bro,

2045
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:35,400
Speaker 1: that ship was sixteen minutes long. Yeah, the ironic thing

2046
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:37,560
Speaker 1: is why you always got put time in the context,

2047
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:41,320
Speaker 1: the sixteen minutes was not how long it was, It

2048
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 1: is how short they got it. That's short because yeah,

2049
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:49,040
Speaker 1: because they got it down to sixteen minutes. I'm gonna

2050
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:51,000
Speaker 1: tell you that this this, I've said this a few times.

2051
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 1: I was apology getting on the mic to sit whack

2052
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:57,000
Speaker 1: him seats down. They played good Times. I'm rocking the

2053
01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:58,920
Speaker 1: fuck out of good times. Right all of a sudden,

2054
01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:02,640
Speaker 1: I ain't your words behind me, DJ's Larry t Worries

2055
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:03,880
Speaker 1: behind me. So what do you think I did? I

2056
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 1: did the fucking miliev nilly. I kept moving my mouth

2057
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,920
Speaker 1: and the crack and I was rocking for fucking twenty minutes.

2058
01:57:12,280 --> 01:57:14,280
Speaker 1: Remember I was on. I was rocking a good time before.

2059
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 1: So sure enough, man, people were like, damn, changing this voice.

2060
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:21,160
Speaker 1: Even the chicken tastes like boyd all that shit. Right

2061
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:23,960
Speaker 1: at the end, Cats is coming up to me like, yo,

2062
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:27,880
Speaker 1: he's a bad motherfucker. He's just round on and on,

2063
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:30,160
Speaker 1: because back back then he's like he went on and on,

2064
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, to the break of dawn, like hot butter

2065
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:35,760
Speaker 1: on the what the popcorn? Right, I'm with non stop run.

2066
01:57:37,120 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 1: I turned around after people are like left. I looked

2067
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:41,200
Speaker 1: at that and say, what the fuck? But what's that?

2068
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 1: He showed me Red Label Rappers the Light sugar Hill Gag.

2069
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:49,840
Speaker 1: I was like what I was? My brains looked blown.

2070
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:55,000
Speaker 1: The next day, WBLS, this is Frankie Crocker and I

2071
01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:57,480
Speaker 1: got a new record by my friend Sylvia Robinson. This

2072
01:57:57,720 --> 01:57:59,960
Speaker 1: is called Rappers The Light by the sugar Hill Gag.

2073
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:02,840
Speaker 1: You heard it, you know the city was on fire.

2074
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 1: The city was on fire by the next Thursday when

2075
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:08,200
Speaker 1: I did the thing, castles like you nice Chuck, But

2076
01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:13,400
Speaker 1: come on, man, that's how long I've been Robber, I've

2077
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:15,360
Speaker 1: been riding with since they sneak a record behind me,

2078
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:18,280
Speaker 1: got words on it also fuck oh man. But let

2079
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:22,240
Speaker 1: me tell you, man, I can't even I can't even like,

2080
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:27,160
Speaker 1: I can't weigh the magnitude of hip hop before records man,

2081
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:31,080
Speaker 1: and that record Good Times Times just I can't imagine

2082
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:33,960
Speaker 1: it was. It was fucking it was. It was. It

2083
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:36,440
Speaker 1: blew to this day thinking about That's what I'm saying.

2084
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:40,360
Speaker 1: The time, the context of time is everything because you

2085
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 1: can't go back into time the same thing about like

2086
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:46,840
Speaker 1: when when Mellie Mel might say I could get any rapper,

2087
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:49,280
Speaker 1: but well, the thing about you got to hold the

2088
01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:52,360
Speaker 1: context of time and time is real. It's like if

2089
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:55,320
Speaker 1: you say, whoa Mellie Mel, Let's say if he wants

2090
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:58,160
Speaker 1: to take on Well, it's exactly. I mean, that's a

2091
01:58:58,240 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 1: number storm not gonna say it right, but but I respect.

2092
01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 1: All you gotta do is say, well, Mellie Mel, if

2093
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:08,280
Speaker 1: he was nineteen in nineteen seventy nine and you wasn't

2094
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:10,440
Speaker 1: born yet, then you couldn't compete. That's why when they

2095
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 1: say boxes like put Tysons get Ali, I was saying,

2096
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:16,120
Speaker 1: but when did we start? Did we say when Ali

2097
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:19,440
Speaker 1: is seventy something and Tyson is thirty or dude? Or

2098
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:22,000
Speaker 1: do we do and Ali was twenty and Tyson wasn't

2099
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:24,640
Speaker 1: born yet? He was a zygot and ship. You know,

2100
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you so, what do we compare it? Oh?

2101
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:30,120
Speaker 1: You're trying to move time to make that. You cannot

2102
01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:33,240
Speaker 1: compare errors. You cannot move time. We don't have much

2103
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:35,680
Speaker 1: changes in that time. The construct. We could dream of

2104
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:38,120
Speaker 1: some shit like you know, like well so and so

2105
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:41,280
Speaker 1: and its prime versus so and so and knit prime, Well,

2106
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:43,040
Speaker 1: how are you gonna know what the prime is is?

2107
01:59:43,160 --> 01:59:45,880
Speaker 1: And so it's art, It's it's fun to do these things.

2108
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:49,000
Speaker 1: It's fun to make listen shit like that. Everybody, Oh man, rollers,

2109
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:59,160
Speaker 1: do you think Flavor flags? Yes? Is Boosey's pops. We

2110
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:06,160
Speaker 1: always come with questions of what we think Flavor. I

2111
02:00:06,360 --> 02:00:08,400
Speaker 1: felt it, but then when I seen them together, I

2112
02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:10,160
Speaker 1: was like, maybe this is not as fun as I

2113
02:00:10,280 --> 02:00:13,320
Speaker 1: think the kind of really do. And I love Lucy.

2114
02:00:13,480 --> 02:00:15,600
Speaker 1: I love you Bucy. Where we were, I love it.

2115
02:00:15,720 --> 02:00:19,200
Speaker 1: But my good brother Nori. When you study the diaspora,

2116
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:22,480
Speaker 1: you know that many of us got twins and triplets everywhere.

2117
02:00:22,920 --> 02:00:25,920
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, when we first played Ghana, they wouldn't

2118
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:29,400
Speaker 1: let Flavor leave. He had that many kids out there. No, no,

2119
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:33,720
Speaker 1: we don't believe. We won't believe that you're not from here,

2120
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:36,680
Speaker 1: yea like they do. He was, You're not right. We

2121
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:39,440
Speaker 1: had to show hate. I'm not I'm not from me,

2122
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm somewhere else. So yeah, they did. He from Ghana too,

2123
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm sunny. Yeah, no, he from Haiti from he from Haiti.

2124
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:49,040
Speaker 1: But they don't accept him in Haiti either, right, they

2125
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:51,680
Speaker 1: don't want him at Big Up to Haiti. They kick

2126
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:55,760
Speaker 1: him out of Haiti, but guys hit the whole world

2127
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:58,880
Speaker 1: still man that Haiti? Right, Yeah, it's big up to

2128
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:04,720
Speaker 1: Haiti anyway, Pop Alliance, the chairman caress one up in

2129
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:08,960
Speaker 1: the brasses mc light Curtis blow founded it as could

2130
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:11,280
Speaker 1: I be down. But it's not especially this problem. But

2131
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:13,840
Speaker 1: it's not about like who's at the topic, because now

2132
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:17,200
Speaker 1: it's like the more the better, And you have to

2133
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:22,240
Speaker 1: have people who are concerned about the infrastructure of artists

2134
02:01:23,120 --> 02:01:26,280
Speaker 1: who've been in the business a long time, never understood,

2135
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, like Okay, I recorded fifteen years ago, twenty

2136
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:33,160
Speaker 1: years ago, Like what does that mean? They got their

2137
02:01:33,240 --> 02:01:35,440
Speaker 1: kids grown up? They have no idea what their dad

2138
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:38,080
Speaker 1: even did or better yet, like, how do we it's

2139
02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:40,360
Speaker 1: a legacy to be passed down, how do we go

2140
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:43,440
Speaker 1: after it? Who do we go to? Uh? My dad

2141
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:47,040
Speaker 1: did bars, But what does that mean? There's something for everybody,

2142
02:01:47,120 --> 02:01:49,320
Speaker 1: trust me. If you don't go get it, somebody gonna

2143
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:51,160
Speaker 1: go get it. Oh yeah, but he only did a

2144
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:55,320
Speaker 1: guest collabor on a feature like nineteen ninety five. You

2145
02:01:55,360 --> 02:01:57,120
Speaker 1: don't think somebody is on the tail end of that.

2146
02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:59,960
Speaker 1: So the young you know, now I wouldn't just say

2147
02:02:00,040 --> 02:02:02,760
Speaker 1: young because that's subjective to man, what is what is young? Man?

2148
02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:09,680
Speaker 1: But our people are are or in the business without

2149
02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:13,400
Speaker 1: understanding of what this whole business is, which means that

2150
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:16,920
Speaker 1: you have to have people that come along that that

2151
02:02:17,240 --> 02:02:21,760
Speaker 1: even aligned by your family or some organization that lets

2152
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:23,640
Speaker 1: you know what what is you know? And that's what

2153
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:28,520
Speaker 1: I think the Hip Hop Alliance UM can do. Number one,

2154
02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:32,840
Speaker 1: Really it's in partnership with sag after right, which all

2155
02:02:32,840 --> 02:02:36,800
Speaker 1: the time was a perfect that's the biggest play. But

2156
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:42,000
Speaker 1: because Curtis Blow, you know, because is that for actors, right,

2157
02:02:43,240 --> 02:02:48,040
Speaker 1: provides that same type actors anybody in because me and

2158
02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:50,600
Speaker 1: if I don't know, if I don't know how much

2159
02:02:52,240 --> 02:02:54,840
Speaker 1: if it's always been pushing this hip Hop Union because

2160
02:02:55,240 --> 02:02:59,040
Speaker 1: I feel like anybody I know how hard it is

2161
02:02:59,080 --> 02:03:02,640
Speaker 1: to be famous. It's the worst job in the world, right,

2162
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:06,440
Speaker 1: because you can never take off your mask, Like I

2163
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:08,920
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck how many times I could do,

2164
02:03:09,400 --> 02:03:11,520
Speaker 1: Like if you could check into McDonald's, you could check

2165
02:03:11,560 --> 02:03:14,800
Speaker 1: into construction. Once you take your vest off, you're all.

2166
02:03:15,320 --> 02:03:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm never off. None of us is never think about

2167
02:03:18,360 --> 02:03:23,040
Speaker 1: doing no crime shit ever, So before cameras don't think

2168
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:25,520
Speaker 1: about like, yo, man, I could do the dirty dirty

2169
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:28,280
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like, yeah, okay, all right, you know

2170
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:31,280
Speaker 1: you got the ID. Everybody's trying to fucking get right.

2171
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:34,160
Speaker 1: So I say I say this to say I always

2172
02:03:34,200 --> 02:03:35,840
Speaker 1: felt like it should have been a hip hop union

2173
02:03:36,280 --> 02:03:40,480
Speaker 1: for us and and and especially people. And I get it,

2174
02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:43,520
Speaker 1: like sometimes you say, well, what if the person didn't

2175
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:46,160
Speaker 1: make it, What if the person didn't go platinum? What

2176
02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:48,960
Speaker 1: if the person didn't didn't go go It's even more

2177
02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:52,920
Speaker 1: we should take because they had to endure the looks

2178
02:03:53,160 --> 02:03:56,880
Speaker 1: of being shown and saying okay, this guy was a

2179
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:59,920
Speaker 1: rapper and he didn't make it, like or even work.

2180
02:04:00,160 --> 02:04:03,640
Speaker 1: The one hit wonders, right, the guys that have one hit,

2181
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:09,800
Speaker 1: all the participants, I mean, I mean girls like I

2182
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:11,400
Speaker 1: feel like we should take care of them. I feel

2183
02:04:11,400 --> 02:04:13,560
Speaker 1: like it needs to be the home community. I feel

2184
02:04:13,560 --> 02:04:15,760
Speaker 1: like I feel like I feel like this is me personally.

2185
02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:22,600
Speaker 1: If you are participating in something that makes you famous

2186
02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:26,000
Speaker 1: and it doesn't actually work for you, I feel like

2187
02:04:26,240 --> 02:04:30,360
Speaker 1: we should are. It's in us to take care of that.

2188
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:33,840
Speaker 1: It's in us to say this is inhumane right here,

2189
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:37,560
Speaker 1: because it's so hard to be famous. Man, it's so terrible,

2190
02:04:37,680 --> 02:04:41,360
Speaker 1: like like you can't go to CDs. I don't want

2191
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:42,680
Speaker 1: to go to CVS, but I want to get in

2192
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:46,160
Speaker 1: carbone early. So so yeah, so what's up? You look

2193
02:04:46,200 --> 02:04:54,120
Speaker 1: at younger? Shit? You fucking this mother? But I feel

2194
02:04:54,160 --> 02:04:56,120
Speaker 1: like the Hip Hop Union, by the way, we want

2195
02:04:56,120 --> 02:04:59,880
Speaker 1: to sup We gotta support it. We gotta support whether

2196
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:02,360
Speaker 1: just for people seeking fan because there's a lot of

2197
02:05:02,360 --> 02:05:05,120
Speaker 1: people behind the scenes that are not seeking. I also

2198
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:07,560
Speaker 1: deserve to be taken. That's what the hip hoper Lines

2199
02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:10,160
Speaker 1: has done very clearly. It's not based on again with

2200
02:05:10,640 --> 02:05:15,200
Speaker 1: the faces that draw it in, but you need infrastructure people.

2201
02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:19,240
Speaker 1: This show is built out of also infrastructure, people that

2202
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:22,000
Speaker 1: make it click and make it work. The masses out there.

2203
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:25,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes we confuse confuse, like when it comes down to us,

2204
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:27,720
Speaker 1: they just say the masses they just moved the m over.

2205
02:05:28,280 --> 02:05:31,480
Speaker 1: They consider our masses them asses and thinking that we

2206
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:36,320
Speaker 1: ain't masters the masses. They just moved the m over

2207
02:05:37,160 --> 02:05:42,320
Speaker 1: to them. At I got bars that passed people like

2208
02:05:42,440 --> 02:05:46,640
Speaker 1: taxi cabs eighty six. Let me also ask you you

2209
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:52,200
Speaker 1: sued Universal. I've sued and been sued man. Matter of fact,

2210
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:55,480
Speaker 1: it's so many damn I mean in that world. The

2211
02:05:55,600 --> 02:05:59,360
Speaker 1: average person has no fucking idea how many times that

2212
02:05:59,560 --> 02:06:03,400
Speaker 1: you're it's it's a gunfight. No, but universal? Okay, which

2213
02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:06,280
Speaker 1: which which lawsuit was? Because I believe did you sued

2214
02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:11,160
Speaker 1: on behalf of hip hop? Yeah? I've been perfect class,

2215
02:06:11,640 --> 02:06:15,640
Speaker 1: so okay in my contract, let me relate it to me. Right,

2216
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:20,600
Speaker 1: you've read every page. Never, That's what I'm saying. Let

2217
02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:23,680
Speaker 1: me tell you this. When when the average person says, well,

2218
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:26,280
Speaker 1: how come you rappers and read the contract? I said,

2219
02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:30,160
Speaker 1: you did the same when you accept on yes, you

2220
02:06:30,240 --> 02:06:34,879
Speaker 1: bought a car or whatever, like I just accepted. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

2221
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm just sorry. Get lawyers if we feel that this

2222
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:44,040
Speaker 1: person we can trust. But yo, man, it's it's it's

2223
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:46,040
Speaker 1: such a thick business. And then you got a contract

2224
02:06:46,080 --> 02:06:48,280
Speaker 1: that's like this. And somebody told me, he said, the

2225
02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:51,040
Speaker 1: reason that contracts are like this because every single page

2226
02:06:51,120 --> 02:06:59,120
Speaker 1: is a fucking lawsuit, right, fuck with children? Yeah, I

2227
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:03,000
Speaker 1: never when your penalty records. Yes, So when I went

2228
02:07:03,200 --> 02:07:06,360
Speaker 1: back and I looked at it, nothing digital says anything

2229
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:09,480
Speaker 1: digital about They didn't have any digital rights. There was

2230
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:12,240
Speaker 1: no digit first one that says what. I don't remember.

2231
02:07:12,280 --> 02:07:16,240
Speaker 1: I just wanted the money we all do it perpetuity

2232
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:23,600
Speaker 1: in the universe territory. It's the world and what the universe?

2233
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:30,200
Speaker 1: How the fuck? Which is the universe? Fucking up? Tuning shit?

2234
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:32,920
Speaker 1: You know they side they're taking your records that you

2235
02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:36,400
Speaker 1: put out in Mars. Big up, big up to jay

2236
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:39,400
Speaker 1: Z because jay Z is like our Jupiter. And the

2237
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:41,600
Speaker 1: reason I say Jupiter, it's like, you know, if you

2238
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:45,960
Speaker 1: study the Solar System, Jupiter absorbs all the asteroids, all

2239
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:48,840
Speaker 1: the collisions that would destroy Earth. They don't go because

2240
02:07:48,920 --> 02:07:51,880
Speaker 1: he's He's big enough to absorb and protect the Solar

2241
02:07:51,960 --> 02:07:55,680
Speaker 1: System with his magnitude, which allows us to fucking do anything.

2242
02:07:56,160 --> 02:08:05,000
Speaker 1: God damn, God damn pick up the jay Z. I mean,

2243
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna people say no, no, no, that It's like shit, man,

2244
02:08:08,360 --> 02:08:12,840
Speaker 1: He's gonna absorb all that shit. Ain't no asteroid hitting me. Wow.

2245
02:08:12,920 --> 02:08:16,240
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm said. With fame, famous, a fake construct,

2246
02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:18,360
Speaker 1: there's a famous, a four letter word. I chose to

2247
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:20,360
Speaker 1: tell people. I said, listen, I got a second story.

2248
02:08:21,120 --> 02:08:23,320
Speaker 1: I got a second story office in the world of

2249
02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:25,360
Speaker 1: the entertainment business where I always could go to the

2250
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:27,560
Speaker 1: penhouse whenever I want to. But I choose to stay

2251
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:29,640
Speaker 1: on the second floor because you could walk up the

2252
02:08:29,680 --> 02:08:33,800
Speaker 1: staircase before you catch the speed elevator. Now talk to

2253
02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:36,960
Speaker 1: me before you going up there. Sometimes it castle. I'll

2254
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:38,560
Speaker 1: take the speed on the elevator up and then they'll

2255
02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:40,320
Speaker 1: see me. I said, I'm gonna go back to the

2256
02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:42,560
Speaker 1: second floor, But the speed elevator doesn't go to the

2257
02:08:42,600 --> 02:08:45,360
Speaker 1: second floor, goes straight down to the basement, maybe even

2258
02:08:45,400 --> 02:08:48,000
Speaker 1: the crash landing. See me before you go up, because

2259
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:50,360
Speaker 1: it tells you how to handle the world. A fucking fame,

2260
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:54,640
Speaker 1: which is a four leather word that is synonymous with

2261
02:08:55,760 --> 02:09:00,240
Speaker 1: fade because because it's a false construct, fame has a

2262
02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:05,840
Speaker 1: tennessee to fade. It's not it's a false construct. It's

2263
02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:09,920
Speaker 1: not really real, and that means it's another four letter

2264
02:09:10,040 --> 02:09:16,160
Speaker 1: f word, f A K E. Fame might fade and

2265
02:09:16,480 --> 02:09:19,080
Speaker 1: it's faked. And if you don't believe that, you're fucked.

2266
02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:23,680
Speaker 1: See me on the second floor. Because I get up

2267
02:09:23,680 --> 02:09:26,080
Speaker 1: to the get up to the penthouse whenever I want,

2268
02:09:26,080 --> 02:09:28,720
Speaker 1: I don't stay there. I mean I'll be like, who

2269
02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, man, I'll go back right back down to

2270
02:09:30,920 --> 02:09:33,480
Speaker 1: the second floor. That's where I'm comfortable at. But cats

2271
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:36,680
Speaker 1: see me on the way up and there their rise

2272
02:09:36,760 --> 02:09:39,640
Speaker 1: and their levels to wherever they gotta be. I applore that.

2273
02:09:40,240 --> 02:09:43,280
Speaker 1: I just say, enjoy it, man, I mean, come on, man,

2274
02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean enjoy enjoy the process of dancing with fame

2275
02:09:49,080 --> 02:09:52,000
Speaker 1: because you're better than fame. Fame is a construct and

2276
02:09:52,120 --> 02:09:55,520
Speaker 1: you do real art. You're a real thing, so it's

2277
02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:58,800
Speaker 1: something that you do. And I think eight listen Man

2278
02:09:59,320 --> 02:10:01,800
Speaker 1: sixty two is from six going my sixty thirty. Yeah,

2279
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm it's good to be fucking me. No, I don't

2280
02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:10,840
Speaker 1: want to be bigger. I don't want to be I

2281
02:10:10,920 --> 02:10:12,520
Speaker 1: want to be better always, but I don't want to

2282
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:14,440
Speaker 1: be bigger. I just want to just be me and

2283
02:10:14,640 --> 02:10:17,920
Speaker 1: and and be able to continue to help. And when

2284
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:21,880
Speaker 1: I see my man and and and other people my my, my,

2285
02:10:22,280 --> 02:10:24,560
Speaker 1: my fam and the group and all that, and they

2286
02:10:24,680 --> 02:10:27,760
Speaker 1: have things and they're able to do things, and people

2287
02:10:27,800 --> 02:10:29,640
Speaker 1: that work with me, like the Sea Doctor under my

2288
02:10:29,720 --> 02:10:32,760
Speaker 1: record label, you know, a flat line and the rap station.

2289
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:35,440
Speaker 1: We just came out with um the Bring the Noise app,

2290
02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:39,880
Speaker 1: which is cultural media. It's not social media's culture media.

2291
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:42,040
Speaker 1: So it's the first app and it easy to make

2292
02:10:42,080 --> 02:10:45,680
Speaker 1: it Twitter and it ain't no no stay everybody can

2293
02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:49,720
Speaker 1: stay at Twitter. They can stay you stay Twitter whatever.

2294
02:10:50,280 --> 02:10:52,200
Speaker 1: And it's a funny thing. It's like, you know, back

2295
02:10:52,240 --> 02:10:54,280
Speaker 1: in the day, you know, I would have somebody say, well,

2296
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:56,120
Speaker 1: we'll watch it, chucky, you know them people like that.

2297
02:10:56,200 --> 02:10:58,440
Speaker 1: I was like the fact, I don't every guy trust

2298
02:10:58,520 --> 02:11:01,560
Speaker 1: these things like they know, people like Elon Muskas, Zucker

2299
02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:04,080
Speaker 1: Burnley give a fuck. So with me, I'm like, I'm

2300
02:11:04,120 --> 02:11:06,440
Speaker 1: not telling people to come along. This is just gonna

2301
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:10,440
Speaker 1: be there. And it's about sam, It's about film, art, music,

2302
02:11:10,600 --> 02:11:12,480
Speaker 1: and if you want to put your thing there, will

2303
02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:15,680
Speaker 1: co exist. Small little piece of real estate. Won't try

2304
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:20,040
Speaker 1: to be social media, which sometimes you know, like scar

2305
02:11:20,160 --> 02:11:25,320
Speaker 1: face pick up the Brad Jordan's scarface. Yeah, he says. Man,

2306
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, Chuck Man, you know shit is a sandbox. Man,

2307
02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:30,600
Speaker 1: you can't have the strip pole in the sandbox. And

2308
02:11:31,040 --> 02:11:37,520
Speaker 1: you told me that. You say, yeah, it's a great idea. Though, okay,

2309
02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:40,880
Speaker 1: we'll keep that to yourself. That thinks Dixons and a

2310
02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:42,880
Speaker 1: whole other things. It's just like, you know, the poll

2311
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:46,080
Speaker 1: is a good thing, but the sandbox is where kids

2312
02:11:46,160 --> 02:11:55,080
Speaker 1: play that part oh you forgot that? Everywhere everywhere today, man,

2313
02:11:55,240 --> 02:11:57,920
Speaker 1: It's like it's to me, it's like everybody got the

2314
02:11:58,120 --> 02:12:02,000
Speaker 1: listen this ten generations. Man, there ain't no reason why

2315
02:12:02,280 --> 02:12:04,240
Speaker 1: fifteen year old ship try to appeal to a twenty

2316
02:12:04,280 --> 02:12:06,960
Speaker 1: year old, right, no reason, not not really. I mean,

2317
02:12:07,480 --> 02:12:09,760
Speaker 1: if if all forty year old appeal to a twenty

2318
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:12,280
Speaker 1: year old, just be yourself, they come. Cool if they

2319
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:15,200
Speaker 1: don't come. But in social media catches up in a

2320
02:12:17,120 --> 02:12:23,320
Speaker 1: they're competing against each other. It's nope, just be who

2321
02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:27,640
Speaker 1: you all grow gracefully, embrace aging as opposed you know.

2322
02:12:27,720 --> 02:12:31,360
Speaker 1: I mean, death is a real thing. Man. Twitter, now

2323
02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm in with black Twitter came along. I was like,

2324
02:12:33,640 --> 02:12:36,960
Speaker 1: I did you know? And no, no offense because if

2325
02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:38,480
Speaker 1: they all come at me a black Twitter, I ain't

2326
02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:43,200
Speaker 1: read it anywhere. I'm just saying that Twitter up, Well,

2327
02:12:43,240 --> 02:12:46,919
Speaker 1: I don't listen. Listen, we gotta watch these other platforms

2328
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:50,320
Speaker 1: because somehow the platforms, it's like other people are on

2329
02:12:50,440 --> 02:12:54,040
Speaker 1: the platform and I'm like, that's like motherfucker's throwing cotton

2330
02:12:54,080 --> 02:12:57,160
Speaker 1: each other each other on the fucking plantation. Like you know,

2331
02:12:57,240 --> 02:12:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm on that person plantation and now I'm on that

2332
02:12:59,720 --> 02:13:03,040
Speaker 1: place the plantation cotton. I built my own platform, and

2333
02:13:03,160 --> 02:13:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm like it's whatever. I won't stick to the culture.

2334
02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:10,160
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean plantation was a social media man. No,

2335
02:13:10,360 --> 02:13:12,320
Speaker 1: we don't need it. Yeah, oh yeah, matter of fact.

2336
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:15,400
Speaker 1: Open So I'll answer you a question. And like I said,

2337
02:13:15,400 --> 02:13:18,080
Speaker 1: we're family now. So we've been found white media. Yeah,

2338
02:13:18,120 --> 02:13:20,280
Speaker 1: white media. Okay, shit, we didn't know we're going there

2339
02:13:28,440 --> 02:13:30,920
Speaker 1: when I did the PBS series. Big up the PBS

2340
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:34,680
Speaker 1: and the BBC commendation. Obviously, I have a long read

2341
02:13:34,760 --> 02:13:37,080
Speaker 1: out of obligation. So it wasn't like I was ducky

2342
02:13:37,160 --> 02:13:40,040
Speaker 1: or we were circling. Don't work. Listen, you don't have

2343
02:13:40,080 --> 02:13:46,000
Speaker 1: to explain it at all the way for your present whenever, listen,

2344
02:13:47,080 --> 02:13:50,120
Speaker 1: white involvement everywhere in here, y'all. Was a little mad

2345
02:13:50,160 --> 02:13:51,720
Speaker 1: at you. I see you doing the white media. I

2346
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:54,880
Speaker 1: was like, well, what's he doing? Come, come, come home,

2347
02:13:55,160 --> 02:14:02,320
Speaker 1: come home, come. I was very pleased, but I can't.

2348
02:14:02,760 --> 02:14:05,720
Speaker 1: And I saw the neighborhood. I said, well, at least

2349
02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:08,920
Speaker 1: this ship is in the neighbor that I recall a

2350
02:14:09,120 --> 02:14:13,320
Speaker 1: matter of fact, down in Miami, right I committed where

2351
02:14:13,320 --> 02:14:16,800
Speaker 1: we are right down in Miami. I remember they even

2352
02:14:17,120 --> 02:14:20,080
Speaker 1: built Miami Arena in the hood, and said we can't

2353
02:14:20,120 --> 02:14:22,600
Speaker 1: have this ship here no more, and they fucking tore

2354
02:14:22,680 --> 02:14:25,520
Speaker 1: down That's where one of those sources of words happened

2355
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:27,120
Speaker 1: in old I was like, why would they do that?

2356
02:14:27,200 --> 02:14:29,120
Speaker 1: They said, you know what, we can't have our fucking arena.

2357
02:14:29,200 --> 02:14:31,240
Speaker 1: Then I said, that's the first place that well, not

2358
02:14:31,320 --> 02:14:34,760
Speaker 1: the first places we played, but the first arena arena

2359
02:14:34,840 --> 02:14:37,560
Speaker 1: that we played down here where the Heat first. So

2360
02:14:38,040 --> 02:14:45,040
Speaker 1: they don't arena. That's how they are, that's who they are.

2361
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:49,840
Speaker 1: Tell us tell us just too highly on you. So

2362
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:55,760
Speaker 1: tell us dj E, tell us dj e, what happened

2363
02:14:55,760 --> 02:14:57,800
Speaker 1: with that? They just I don't know if that's to me.

2364
02:14:57,880 --> 02:15:00,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, because now we don't know that. Nobody

2365
02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:04,920
Speaker 1: know that you movie the Miami was an old time. No,

2366
02:15:05,320 --> 02:15:09,680
Speaker 1: he's talking about the old that was overtown and can

2367
02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:12,720
Speaker 1: you passed up shopping because they built up something talking

2368
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:17,160
Speaker 1: about the Miami Arena where the Heat first played. Yeah,

2369
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:21,520
Speaker 1: radio right right there right, Robbie Cyclly, I want the

2370
02:15:21,680 --> 02:15:25,520
Speaker 1: Ronnie Cyclly, Yeah, Miami. I think it just became a

2371
02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:27,160
Speaker 1: money thing to build a new one, so they had

2372
02:15:27,200 --> 02:15:28,560
Speaker 1: to tear it down the old one. That's what I think.

2373
02:15:28,760 --> 02:15:32,360
Speaker 1: Something somebody there, you know, I live in Miami our

2374
02:15:32,440 --> 02:15:37,240
Speaker 1: local pretty so yeah, he's now. I thought the New

2375
02:15:37,320 --> 02:15:39,240
Speaker 1: York was the Foules conrupt his place in the world.

2376
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:42,440
Speaker 1: I was our local government is Miami is paid to

2377
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:44,720
Speaker 1: get on probation out here. This is real, This is

2378
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:48,560
Speaker 1: real alferation. But so we noticed, we noticed. We noticed

2379
02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:51,840
Speaker 1: back in the day because Luke had so much power here,

2380
02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:57,000
Speaker 1: they hated every every move that Luke would make. And

2381
02:15:58,120 --> 02:16:00,600
Speaker 1: Luke was also hip hop. He was in everything. Man,

2382
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:04,160
Speaker 1: he's a pioneer and everything. And I said, damn it.

2383
02:16:04,280 --> 02:16:07,080
Speaker 1: But Luke, you know, still made changes. He helps sports

2384
02:16:07,160 --> 02:16:09,760
Speaker 1: teams out and he's the person to go to and

2385
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:14,560
Speaker 1: get it by. So yeah, but before we get up

2386
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:18,120
Speaker 1: out here, I need I wouldn't keep it sealed, No,

2387
02:16:18,360 --> 02:16:21,400
Speaker 1: man open a couple of days. Look, look, I got

2388
02:16:21,480 --> 02:16:23,560
Speaker 1: this ship coming out a lot, and I mean, I'm

2389
02:16:23,560 --> 02:16:26,920
Speaker 1: not here to sell ship or the place. People's asked

2390
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:29,360
Speaker 1: with the past and shit like that. But this is

2391
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:31,520
Speaker 1: one of my pride. But I got to talk about

2392
02:16:31,560 --> 02:16:34,360
Speaker 1: that because that's what I gave y'all. It's my first

2393
02:16:34,640 --> 02:16:38,840
Speaker 1: art art book, and yeah, it's my fine arts book.

2394
02:16:38,879 --> 02:16:41,200
Speaker 1: And so I ain't got to read. No, you ain't

2395
02:16:41,200 --> 02:16:45,440
Speaker 1: got read. Look at the pictures drawing it. I got it.

2396
02:16:45,560 --> 02:16:50,400
Speaker 1: Market shit, I'm reading a little bit. Let take it

2397
02:16:50,959 --> 02:16:53,720
Speaker 1: a little bit. And and this is, um, I'm just

2398
02:16:53,720 --> 02:16:56,240
Speaker 1: passed around. I gotta take this back. That shit is

2399
02:16:56,480 --> 02:16:58,600
Speaker 1: have you some motherfucker? Yeah, man, I could throw that

2400
02:16:58,640 --> 02:17:02,640
Speaker 1: shit and that hurt somebody. But those are my naphet grovels.

2401
02:17:03,600 --> 02:17:05,840
Speaker 1: And what I was able to do we all my

2402
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:08,960
Speaker 1: years and hotel roo especially a prophets arranged is that

2403
02:17:10,400 --> 02:17:14,680
Speaker 1: you got a hotel time, hotel time, man downtime. It's

2404
02:17:14,680 --> 02:17:17,480
Speaker 1: like and I and and uh, when when my dad

2405
02:17:17,520 --> 02:17:22,320
Speaker 1: passed the twenty sixteen, um, I thought that, uh, you know,

2406
02:17:22,520 --> 02:17:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting back in my full time. My downtown was

2407
02:17:26,680 --> 02:17:29,720
Speaker 1: the best therapy in the world. And then um, I

2408
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:33,640
Speaker 1: did Awaska? You did you do drugs at the other

2409
02:17:33,680 --> 02:17:43,119
Speaker 1: times I've always wanted to do. DMT is a drug?

2410
02:17:43,959 --> 02:17:48,000
Speaker 1: All right. Also listen, listen, I'm educated from the best

2411
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:50,039
Speaker 1: sense say a person you ever having. That's a great

2412
02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:57,040
Speaker 1: be real in Cypress Hill. All right. So but um yeah,

2413
02:17:57,280 --> 02:18:00,400
Speaker 1: DMT is when when my dad passed, as you know,

2414
02:18:00,560 --> 02:18:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm not hearing all that. Oh he's in a better

2415
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:04,560
Speaker 1: place and all that than whatever I said. You know

2416
02:18:04,640 --> 02:18:08,320
Speaker 1: what I feel that I need to know where this

2417
02:18:08,480 --> 02:18:12,320
Speaker 1: spirit you know, is that? And sure enough my polates

2418
02:18:12,360 --> 02:18:16,680
Speaker 1: coach big up to kl she's part of a community.

2419
02:18:17,600 --> 02:18:27,320
Speaker 1: Um people who did introduced you to? It was? It was,

2420
02:18:28,920 --> 02:18:33,880
Speaker 1: it was going around, right, and then the conversation, the

2421
02:18:34,040 --> 02:18:39,560
Speaker 1: conversation was going around. And at the same time, Timmy,

2422
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:42,840
Speaker 1: who's the bass player and raged against the machine. He

2423
02:18:42,959 --> 02:18:46,240
Speaker 1: does everything. And Timmy was telling me about, you know,

2424
02:18:46,879 --> 02:18:49,680
Speaker 1: his trip but doing DMT and he said, you know,

2425
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:52,800
Speaker 1: like cats do mushrooms. It's like you see, you know,

2426
02:18:53,680 --> 02:18:55,800
Speaker 1: elephant and you shake your head. You don't see the

2427
02:18:55,840 --> 02:18:58,920
Speaker 1: fucking elephant. He said when he did DMT one time,

2428
02:18:59,400 --> 02:19:01,840
Speaker 1: you see the elephant, shake your head. And now, motherfuck yeah,

2429
02:19:01,840 --> 02:19:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm the fucking elephant. I'm like, I said, Timmy's coming

2430
02:19:06,360 --> 02:19:09,640
Speaker 1: from the greatest rock bass player on the planet where

2431
02:19:09,680 --> 02:19:13,160
Speaker 1: he tells a fucking story. His stories is just like

2432
02:19:13,879 --> 02:19:16,800
Speaker 1: you lean in so far, it's like what the fuck

2433
02:19:16,840 --> 02:19:19,320
Speaker 1: are you a nuts? But you're like wow. So he

2434
02:19:19,440 --> 02:19:22,040
Speaker 1: told me this and I was like whatever. And then

2435
02:19:22,120 --> 02:19:27,000
Speaker 1: when my polates coach said, she's the part of a community. Remember,

2436
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:31,560
Speaker 1: Iawaska is the sacrament, it's the spiritual sacrament of the

2437
02:19:31,760 --> 02:19:36,800
Speaker 1: of the journey. Yeah, so I was like, so anyway,

2438
02:19:37,600 --> 02:19:40,879
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know I'm gonna I'm gonna

2439
02:19:40,920 --> 02:19:43,360
Speaker 1: do it. She's gonna cut the shaman. I know it's

2440
02:19:43,360 --> 02:19:46,240
Speaker 1: gonna come into my house. My daughter's funny. She's like

2441
02:19:46,360 --> 02:19:52,760
Speaker 1: dirty smoke weed first. So I'm like, you know what,

2442
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:57,879
Speaker 1: I need to know where where when my dad's at

2443
02:19:58,080 --> 02:19:59,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because I feel he's at

2444
02:20:00,120 --> 02:20:03,480
Speaker 1: you know what a nobody giving me no answers that

2445
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:05,920
Speaker 1: I need to know right now. I mean, he talked

2446
02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:09,240
Speaker 1: to a man fifty five years and all of a sudden, boom,

2447
02:20:09,360 --> 02:20:12,800
Speaker 1: the silence. It's like, yeah, you know, and my dad

2448
02:20:12,920 --> 02:20:15,600
Speaker 1: like said my dad. My mom is like, people tell

2449
02:20:15,640 --> 02:20:17,560
Speaker 1: me about heroes out there. I say, well, everybody's a

2450
02:20:17,600 --> 02:20:20,600
Speaker 1: stepped down from them too. It's like good shit. Then

2451
02:20:20,600 --> 02:20:23,600
Speaker 1: you know when Cats were saying your chuck your pops, man,

2452
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:26,080
Speaker 1: you know when Cats is a hundred, your your pops

2453
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:28,320
Speaker 1: is a thousand, I'm like you damn right. He's like

2454
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:32,640
Speaker 1: that dude was amazing. So anyway, I'm gonna know where

2455
02:20:32,680 --> 02:20:36,640
Speaker 1: his spirit was. So sure enough, the shaman who always

2456
02:20:36,680 --> 02:20:39,560
Speaker 1: go back and forth to Peru. Remember it's like pug, yeah,

2457
02:20:42,320 --> 02:20:44,640
Speaker 1: there you go, there you go, and he already knows

2458
02:20:44,680 --> 02:20:48,240
Speaker 1: to travel. So she came into the crib and I

2459
02:20:48,400 --> 02:20:51,800
Speaker 1: felt when it was administered through chocolate, it's illegal in

2460
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:54,560
Speaker 1: the country and all. But at the same time, you know,

2461
02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:56,600
Speaker 1: you're going through enzymes, you're going through all kinds of

2462
02:20:56,680 --> 02:20:58,840
Speaker 1: training and the padding of the chest. I was as

2463
02:20:58,879 --> 02:21:01,720
Speaker 1: funny as a motherfucker, you know. The room started defending

2464
02:21:01,800 --> 02:21:05,280
Speaker 1: all that. But I felt, for a split second I

2465
02:21:05,440 --> 02:21:08,560
Speaker 1: had this communication. I was good. It was like, fine,

2466
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:11,480
Speaker 1: I'd have to do it twice. I felt for a

2467
02:21:11,560 --> 02:21:15,280
Speaker 1: split second I was communicating with your father. Yeah, man,

2468
02:21:15,360 --> 02:21:17,120
Speaker 1: for real, I mean like like like and it was

2469
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:21,480
Speaker 1: like kind of like three quarters through. So so let

2470
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:23,840
Speaker 1: let listen. A year later, I know this is just

2471
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:28,160
Speaker 1: a short sorry. A year later, I was like, you know,

2472
02:21:28,879 --> 02:21:32,360
Speaker 1: I did it, already got my answer. But a community came.

2473
02:21:33,959 --> 02:21:35,879
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you want to come to the community,

2474
02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:39,120
Speaker 1: to to my house, you know, and and actually you know,

2475
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:43,040
Speaker 1: revisited with a community and see, like I don't know.

2476
02:21:43,120 --> 02:21:45,400
Speaker 1: I was like, I got my answer, you know, I

2477
02:21:45,440 --> 02:21:47,960
Speaker 1: ain't got to do I watch it again. But then

2478
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:52,920
Speaker 1: I said, okay, cool, I'm gonna try something. Well, I

2479
02:21:52,959 --> 02:21:56,440
Speaker 1: went to the community, I mean too a house. About

2480
02:21:56,480 --> 02:22:02,400
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen people were there, seem shaman, and I

2481
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:04,360
Speaker 1: was sitting there. I was like, okay, okay, all right,

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02:22:04,400 --> 02:22:07,000
Speaker 1: we got a group of people, so I asked her.

2483
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:10,360
Speaker 1: I said, give me a ream of paper, a bunch

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02:22:10,400 --> 02:22:15,120
Speaker 1: of markets. So I sat in one spot in her

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02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:19,640
Speaker 1: living room. And then of course our wasaka was administered

2486
02:22:19,760 --> 02:22:24,000
Speaker 1: and the sacrament and all that, and sure enough, yo,

2487
02:22:24,840 --> 02:22:30,959
Speaker 1: I went through eighty five illustrations right in four hours.

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02:22:32,040 --> 02:22:35,240
Speaker 1: But the crazy thing was, right, I was drawing shit

2489
02:22:35,320 --> 02:22:39,640
Speaker 1: out of every wrap you know, computed memory ship, and

2490
02:22:40,120 --> 02:22:43,960
Speaker 1: I was drawing with a style that you know when

2491
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:46,000
Speaker 1: you draw a paint or whatever. A lot of people

2492
02:22:46,040 --> 02:22:48,920
Speaker 1: do the exterior and then they go in. This ship.

2493
02:22:49,080 --> 02:22:52,800
Speaker 1: Was the energy on informed the exterior. So I was

2494
02:22:52,879 --> 02:22:54,840
Speaker 1: going like this and not even looking down at it. Right.

2495
02:22:55,600 --> 02:22:58,240
Speaker 1: So the thing is when I stopped doing it, but

2496
02:22:58,400 --> 02:23:00,480
Speaker 1: then the room started to bend and shit like that.

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02:23:00,640 --> 02:23:03,400
Speaker 1: Right when I started again, the room as clear as

2498
02:23:03,400 --> 02:23:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to y'all right now, so I'm gonna just

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02:23:06,360 --> 02:23:09,840
Speaker 1: eighty five illustrations, right, came up out of that ship.

2500
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:17,920
Speaker 1: So after you know, you descended, I'm like, cool, but

2501
02:23:18,200 --> 02:23:23,280
Speaker 1: my hands were doing this. Now. Remember I told you

2502
02:23:23,360 --> 02:23:26,320
Speaker 1: earlier I believe everything and nothing to fuck at all.

2503
02:23:27,240 --> 02:23:29,920
Speaker 1: Some things ain't meant for us to process and understand

2504
02:23:29,959 --> 02:23:33,360
Speaker 1: why and what. I got my answer the first time

2505
02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:36,320
Speaker 1: and the second time I said, well, it doesn't mean like, okay,

2506
02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:39,760
Speaker 1: I need to get ideas to fucking go and do

2507
02:23:40,680 --> 02:23:42,600
Speaker 1: high washker So I could go into that zone and

2508
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:44,920
Speaker 1: get idea and I don't need that. Well, I was told,

2509
02:23:45,080 --> 02:23:46,840
Speaker 1: is that because I am my artists and this is

2510
02:23:46,840 --> 02:23:49,080
Speaker 1: an important thing for artists, and this is why we're

2511
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:50,800
Speaker 1: in the war of art instead of all the war.

2512
02:23:51,640 --> 02:23:55,240
Speaker 1: We already have the ability to go and descend and

2513
02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:59,320
Speaker 1: descend inside ourselves on an elevator of creativity. We're pregnant

2514
02:23:59,360 --> 02:24:02,840
Speaker 1: with ideas. Everybody has art in them, not everybody can

2515
02:24:02,920 --> 02:24:05,760
Speaker 1: get art out of them. So it's a real opportunity

2516
02:24:05,800 --> 02:24:08,720
Speaker 1: when you have people create. And I'm gonna creative furnace.

2517
02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:13,000
Speaker 1: Ever since that time, I've done thirty thousand illustrations. Yeah,

2518
02:24:13,040 --> 02:24:15,000
Speaker 1: I got Downtown. What the fuck else I'm gonna do?

2519
02:24:15,000 --> 02:24:17,000
Speaker 1: Bom bom boom by. I'm very fast because I worked

2520
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:21,879
Speaker 1: at courtyards. Um not court, your courtroom speed and courtroom speeds.

2521
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:24,680
Speaker 1: Back in the day, you have an illustrator and and

2522
02:24:24,840 --> 02:24:26,840
Speaker 1: fucking I gotta do this ship and get to the

2523
02:24:26,920 --> 02:24:28,800
Speaker 1: news station. Well, now you know, cats can do their

2524
02:24:28,800 --> 02:24:31,840
Speaker 1: shape and fucking email or zippet to somebody. But back

2525
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:35,080
Speaker 1: then cats used to have the boom, go in the courtroom,

2526
02:24:35,440 --> 02:24:38,560
Speaker 1: sketch out the courtroom, and get to the fucking courier,

2527
02:24:38,920 --> 02:24:41,280
Speaker 1: get that ship to the TV station, get that shit

2528
02:24:41,400 --> 02:24:43,480
Speaker 1: in there at six twenty and shit like that. So

2529
02:24:43,600 --> 02:24:46,560
Speaker 1: you have to be a fast illustrator. So that's what

2530
02:24:46,760 --> 02:24:49,400
Speaker 1: these these books have come out. And these are early

2531
02:24:49,520 --> 02:24:52,400
Speaker 1: works where where you know, and I didn't mean to

2532
02:24:52,440 --> 02:24:53,840
Speaker 1: cut you off before, I just wanted to get to it.

2533
02:24:53,959 --> 02:24:57,039
Speaker 1: Just as a matter, I've always been asked, oh man,

2534
02:24:57,120 --> 02:25:01,160
Speaker 1: how could I get this? Because social media really allowed

2535
02:25:01,280 --> 02:25:03,440
Speaker 1: out to come out. Back in the day, if somebody

2536
02:25:03,520 --> 02:25:05,640
Speaker 1: was an artist, you'd be like like, yo, man, come

2537
02:25:05,680 --> 02:25:09,040
Speaker 1: to my gallery. Yeah yeah, I like going to the

2538
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:12,000
Speaker 1: art show. The social media is like, go, I'm gonna

2539
02:25:12,040 --> 02:25:14,720
Speaker 1: put some ship up. Damn wow. And then that shit

2540
02:25:14,840 --> 02:25:16,360
Speaker 1: led to like, well how could I get this ship?

2541
02:25:16,440 --> 02:25:18,880
Speaker 1: Do you? Prince? I know? Not just put download this shit.

2542
02:25:18,920 --> 02:25:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't do, and it just got bigger and bigger

2543
02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:25,040
Speaker 1: and bigger, and then people like, why don't you do books?

2544
02:25:25,080 --> 02:25:27,800
Speaker 1: Come on do books and pop up and that's how

2545
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:29,920
Speaker 1: that led to that. I mean, so everything in this

2546
02:25:30,080 --> 02:25:33,680
Speaker 1: business I never sought out to do, from the Deaf

2547
02:25:33,800 --> 02:25:36,840
Speaker 1: Championship to the Prophets of Rage to art books, they

2548
02:25:37,080 --> 02:25:39,680
Speaker 1: always been a demand that dragged me in it. The

2549
02:25:39,800 --> 02:25:42,800
Speaker 1: shit I like to do is unattractive ship, you know,

2550
02:25:43,080 --> 02:25:45,240
Speaker 1: the ship that people wind up wanting me to do.

2551
02:25:45,400 --> 02:25:47,959
Speaker 1: It's the ship that that like, oh man, we will

2552
02:25:48,040 --> 02:25:50,320
Speaker 1: make that shit something. It would have been crazy that

2553
02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:53,160
Speaker 1: if people to put Awak on his list, you know,

2554
02:25:55,640 --> 02:25:58,600
Speaker 1: because a writer like that's the most the most famous,

2555
02:25:58,879 --> 02:26:01,960
Speaker 1: um my most part of the show is when I asked,

2556
02:26:02,280 --> 02:26:03,959
Speaker 1: you know, the artists, what do they want to drink?

2557
02:26:04,040 --> 02:26:06,120
Speaker 1: What do they want to have? And like like on

2558
02:26:06,240 --> 02:26:10,680
Speaker 1: the list, if if you would have put out and

2559
02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:14,959
Speaker 1: we watch a certain you got to bring the shot man, yea,

2560
02:26:15,080 --> 02:26:20,600
Speaker 1: we remember, you know. And and and every ritue, you

2561
02:26:20,640 --> 02:26:23,200
Speaker 1: guys have a ritual where it takes you. It takes

2562
02:26:23,240 --> 02:26:25,040
Speaker 1: you to the place that any result, it's like you're

2563
02:26:25,080 --> 02:26:27,600
Speaker 1: having a good time, you open up. You know. I

2564
02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:30,800
Speaker 1: had never been a person and you know where we

2565
02:26:30,879 --> 02:26:33,840
Speaker 1: come from. We're like listen, man, I mean, anybody could

2566
02:26:33,879 --> 02:26:38,760
Speaker 1: do anything. The crack epidemic was a problem because I

2567
02:26:38,840 --> 02:26:41,240
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of problems with addiction on drugs

2568
02:26:41,280 --> 02:26:43,440
Speaker 1: that are forcing in the neighborhood. Because like back in

2569
02:26:43,520 --> 02:26:47,520
Speaker 1: the day Boom, we remember, we're doing We're doing parties

2570
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:49,520
Speaker 1: and shit like that. Man. I mean, come on, man,

2571
02:26:49,560 --> 02:26:52,960
Speaker 1: we were up there rocking clubs. Man, I mean to

2572
02:26:53,280 --> 02:26:55,040
Speaker 1: five in the morning, and you think it's like a

2573
02:26:55,200 --> 02:26:58,040
Speaker 1: music and cass ain't blinking and ship They're like yo,

2574
02:26:58,240 --> 02:27:00,480
Speaker 1: keep going. He's like, it's like yo, you think it's

2575
02:27:00,520 --> 02:27:03,480
Speaker 1: like yo, man, we roasted this fucking place right class,

2576
02:27:03,720 --> 02:27:07,720
Speaker 1: Like yo, man, It's like I got blinking that shit again.

2577
02:27:10,040 --> 02:27:15,120
Speaker 1: So it was the politics of the game. It's fucking

2578
02:27:15,160 --> 02:27:18,120
Speaker 1: people up. It's like yeah, now damn yo, I don't

2579
02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:21,080
Speaker 1: give a fuck if you smoking wear in a cornfield.

2580
02:27:21,440 --> 02:27:24,640
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna bust my window, fuck my ship up,

2581
02:27:24,680 --> 02:27:27,240
Speaker 1: and steal my ship to keep your ship going. That's

2582
02:27:27,280 --> 02:27:30,920
Speaker 1: the problem I have with that. Or Betty up, you're

2583
02:27:30,920 --> 02:27:33,800
Speaker 1: gonna come into our gig. You're gonna wear fucking dukie

2584
02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:36,920
Speaker 1: ship to get robbed and break up the fucking party.

2585
02:27:37,160 --> 02:27:39,400
Speaker 1: We used to tell people no goal. You can't win

2586
02:27:39,520 --> 02:27:42,560
Speaker 1: no goal in this party. Ken fucking just like yo,

2587
02:27:42,600 --> 02:27:46,080
Speaker 1: I walk. I worked that fucking Walmart fucking all year

2588
02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:48,240
Speaker 1: to get this gold chain and coming there with my

2589
02:27:48,520 --> 02:27:52,560
Speaker 1: my pretty girl. I'm like, dude, don't do that with

2590
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:55,920
Speaker 1: this ship right here. Pick this shit and we say

2591
02:27:56,000 --> 02:27:58,040
Speaker 1: leave your ship in the car. Every once in a

2592
02:27:58,080 --> 02:28:01,720
Speaker 1: while you get some asshole man ship enough yeah, right,

2593
02:28:02,360 --> 02:28:04,560
Speaker 1: and then you don't talk around. You gonna look at

2594
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:06,920
Speaker 1: six cats and you want to take him on. This

2595
02:28:07,080 --> 02:28:09,480
Speaker 1: party is ending. Man, we can't have that. So we

2596
02:28:09,680 --> 02:28:14,400
Speaker 1: so public enemy did practical shit. Take to go, Take

2597
02:28:14,440 --> 02:28:18,359
Speaker 1: to go. Don't wear the goal because you can't protect

2598
02:28:18,440 --> 02:28:21,920
Speaker 1: a goal. It's like you won, cat man. This cat's

2599
02:28:22,000 --> 02:28:25,240
Speaker 1: looking at you like like a take on a planet

2600
02:28:26,080 --> 02:28:30,400
Speaker 1: like my man to wear my chain? OK, I don't know.

2601
02:28:30,600 --> 02:28:42,840
Speaker 1: They wrapping me up talking to the listening. Hold on,

2602
02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:49,600
Speaker 1: I've ever done this group. I gotta give you a hug, man, man,

2603
02:28:50,080 --> 02:28:52,640
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Man. I really appreciate I really

2604
02:28:53,000 --> 02:28:55,520
Speaker 1: you have no idea how much you mean to the community.

2605
02:28:55,560 --> 02:28:57,879
Speaker 1: And we're gonna always support you. And I definitely want

2606
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:04,080
Speaker 1: my order to forget that. Drink Champs is a drink

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