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Speaker 4: volume we found them. I was nine months ago as

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Speaker 4: I started this project. I called all up a friend

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Speaker 4: he said, I want you to listen to Jenkins and Jones,

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Speaker 4: And so I fished it down on the internet and

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Speaker 4: ten minutes later I called them and I said, shit,

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Speaker 4: we got to get these guys, and we are happy

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Speaker 4: to introduce them. Lejethro Jenkins, Dragonfly Jones, and Guardy b.

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Speaker 4: First of all, are those your government names?

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Speaker 5: You think my mom would name me Legethro? You think

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Speaker 5: my mom doesn't love me? I'm thinking this personally right now. No.

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Speaker 4: No, So every kind of brand is built on something.

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Speaker 4: Apple's about innovation, Michael Jordan competitiveness. Lebron's like he can

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Speaker 4: adapt to anything. Every brand has a different feel. So

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Speaker 4: when you created your podcast, what was the goal? What

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Speaker 4: was what did you want it to be?

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Speaker 5: I don't really think we even thought about this much.

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Speaker 5: I just think we didn't want to talk about the

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Speaker 5: We didn't give a fuck about you.

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Speaker 6: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: We just wanted to be able to be ourselves in

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Speaker 5: our conversations, you know what I mean. I think our

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Speaker 5: superpower is like relatability, Like we are so regular. What

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Speaker 5: you got on the podcast, you're gonna get that in

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Speaker 5: real life, you know what I mean. Like we were

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Speaker 5: sweating arguing about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in our

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Speaker 5: group chat before you took it to the pot.

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Like, so we talk about Bron peanut, butter, jelly, rat verse,

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Speaker 5: scorel whatever it is.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, this is who we are.

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Speaker 6: You're gonna really get that.

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Speaker 5: You know, we are ourselves on camera or on a

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Speaker 5: on what is this radio podcast, whatever you can call it.

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Speaker 4: When you you know, you guys just kind of go

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Speaker 4: and you don't have like it's again, you guys kind

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Speaker 4: of all riff when you do it, and do one

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Speaker 4: of you consider yourself a lead the relationship between all

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Speaker 4: of you guardy you kind of feel like sometimes you're

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Speaker 4: making sure the thing doesn't go off the rails.

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Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a past first point guard college, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like, I have two shooters average

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Speaker 2: thirty seven points a game. So my job is to

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Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't say better than Eric Snow.

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Speaker 6: You're better than Eric Snow.

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Speaker 5: That's what we're talking about right now.

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Speaker 6: Down there we go, there we go, and.

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Speaker 3: Like I'll pull some rebounds down occasionally. But you know,

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Speaker 4: Known as Lebron guys, and I always think of myself

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's like the league. He was into

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Speaker 4: analytics before the league was doing it. But I'm interested,

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Speaker 4: and Dragonfly, we can start with you your thought on how

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Speaker 4: does Durant is Durant copying Lebron? Like it's like Lebron

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Speaker 4: moves and then oh, and then KD goes to Golden State,

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Speaker 4: and then Lebron moves and KD goes to Brooklyn. Do

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Speaker 4: burner accounts. He's got an Aaron Rodgers thing where his

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Speaker 4: start with you. Do you feel he's copy I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that KD is necessarily following Lebron.

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Speaker 1: You, yeah yeah so but but but but Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't think that kat is necessarily

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Speaker 1: So you know what I mean, Like like like, I

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Speaker 1: because even when he was doing like his burner activity,

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Speaker 1: if you always looked at it, he was always defending

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Speaker 1: KD is actually a cool guy. It was just how

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Speaker 7: KD is nice. He's like, how can you blame me for?

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Speaker 5: KAT has never had to defend himself to me as

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Speaker 5: if God made a hooper, it's Kevin Durant, you know

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Speaker 5: in that way. It's the decision that people have been questioning,

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Speaker 5: because he's so good and then he went to the Warriors,

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Speaker 4: I think it's funny, though I've said this for years,

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Speaker 4: just a money grab. Ce Ce Sabathia didn't he want

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Speaker 4: with a shitty team? What's a terrible life. It's a

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Speaker 4: understand why Bradley Beal just doesn't move. I've been saying

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Speaker 5: I mean, I was mad at the Katie decision, but

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Speaker 5: Like if you if your buddy did the same thing,

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Speaker 2: This podcast have made a business move similar to that,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna go to a better situation for better money,

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Speaker 2: with a job you're in more fun.

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Speaker 3: Right right, right, He's a decision to defend it.

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Speaker 2: Just as a basketball fan, it changed things to where

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Speaker 4: But you we've all done that. I think forty percent

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Speaker 4: you guys, we all look at mobility different. I just

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Speaker 4: But half of America doesn't think like that. They're they're

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I just chased the commerce. Wherever the commerce was,

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Speaker 4: so you know it's all right for my audience listening.

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Speaker 4: I found these guys about eight months ago. I was

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Speaker 4: putting together the podcast network and so people dropping it

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Speaker 4: I just wanted different passionate make me laugh. And so

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Speaker 4: I called back and I'm like, boom, this is this

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Speaker 4: is exactly what I want for my podcast network. I

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Speaker 4: me turn it on you. When you guys got a call,

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Speaker 4: because I'm like, to you guys, I'm an old head,

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Speaker 4: Like I mean, come on, man, I'm at fifty. So

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Speaker 4: when you guys when you heard, hey, he's doing a

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Speaker 4: podcast network, be honest with me, what was your first thought?

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Speaker 6: Where the money was? I like, you chasing the cars?

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Speaker 6: I didn't leave Saint Louis my whole family to come

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Speaker 6: to La. You know what I mean, Like if.

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Speaker 5: The money wasn't there, you know what I'm saying. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: but I mean it was, it was. That was a

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Speaker 5: great opportunity. But yeah, I mean that's what we was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because Nick nick Wright knew you, Dragonfly. So Nick

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Speaker 4: Wright I told him and he's like, you got to

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Speaker 4: you heard him? I was like, it's hysterical, it's so funny,

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Speaker 4: how he got turned onto you. What do you make of.

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Speaker 4: Dragonfly?

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Speaker 3: We can start with you.

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Speaker 4: I always feel like you get a gift, like Tiger

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Speaker 4: viewing Habits just a total gift in my life. I'm

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Speaker 4: a sportscaster. I'm looking for goosebumps. That's all I care about.

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Speaker 4: I want goosebumps, and I kind of feel like Lebron.

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Speaker 4: It'd be a shame if I was born today and

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Speaker 4: I didn't get to watch it, and you just watch

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Speaker 4: YouTube like you don't really understand the Golden State Series.

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Speaker 4: You don't really get it. When was the first time,

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Speaker 4: because I remember when he first came into the league.

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Speaker 4: He was not as finessey, he was not as clever.

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Speaker 4: He was just a freight train. When did you like

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Speaker 4: go all in? When were you like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: Game five two thousand and seven versus Detroit, that those

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Speaker 7: Lebron is doing right now?

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Speaker 1: And that was the moment where I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 7: Two thousand and seven versus Detroit.

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Speaker 4: I remember that. Were you bothered all you guys on

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Speaker 4: this were you bothered? When he left Cleveland? The decision.

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Speaker 6: Hell no, not at all, not at all, you know

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Speaker 5: I mean the opportunity for him to go to Miami.

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Speaker 5: I thought he'd get a chip there. That's what I wanted,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like I wanted to see

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Speaker 5: him with Wade and Boss. I wanted to see him

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Speaker 5: with players around him. You know, he was dragging bombs

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Speaker 5: for like the what how long was it with Cleveland?

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Speaker 6: What six?

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Speaker 3: Seven, seven years?

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: So I wanted to see him with some guys have

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Speaker 5: a chance to really win a chip, you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean, and not some cute chip when he's at

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Speaker 5: the head of the league with you know, the best record,

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Speaker 5: but there's no way he's winning a chip with those

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Speaker 6: What I mean.

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Speaker 2: I would just add, like bronze, the almost the exact

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Speaker 2: literally that two thousand and seven that Tyler was talking about,

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Speaker 2: that was the exact same moment for me. And I

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Speaker 2: So it's my whole adult life that he entered the league,

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Speaker 2: that we've been rooting for him. So when he went

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Speaker 2: it felt like my friend going to getting a better

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Speaker 6: What did you think he was to go?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine imagine being imagine being upset at Lebron for

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Speaker 1: what he did to the I cannot fathom that. That's

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Speaker 1: just something that's not in me.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's go around left or right? Uh, we'll

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Speaker 4: start jathro with you All Star Game tonight. Your takeaway

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Speaker 4: besides Steph being such a ridiculous what else.

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Speaker 6: You want me to say? What else you want me

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Speaker 6: to say? Step So, I mean he's a robot.

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Speaker 5: Like like I thought it was gonna be a tough

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Speaker 6: Been so impressed.

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 6: I've always been a fan of Steph, but.

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Speaker 5: I never really rooted for him because like the Lebron shit,

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Speaker 5: I'm root for Steph man.

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Speaker 6: I love him and like to see him play this way.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's I'm glad we're getting more Stephan being

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Speaker 5: Steph even though Katie left. I mean it's he's been

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Speaker 5: on when we talked about other stuff.

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Speaker 4: No, I I feel he's the most disrespected star of

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Speaker 4: my lifetime in any sport.

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Speaker 6: Really.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: Again, he's love, well, no, he's love, But I.

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Speaker 1: Feel like I feel like so much of the disrespect

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Speaker 1: lot of people just come at Steph's stands.

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Speaker 7: Like you're way too high on this guy. Like that's

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Speaker 6: We're talking a lot of Steph stands. We're not talking

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Speaker 6: what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, But there's a lot You've heard these players sometimes,

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Speaker 4: Like I made the argument three years ago if you'd

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Speaker 6: More than Steph.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, Westbrook's under sick four and can't shoot,

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Speaker 4: I just think because Steph's not physically imposing, you know,

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Speaker 3: He's a little cool, yeah, is that I think?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: But also always winning games, shooting thirty seven footers and

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Speaker 5: know if I necessarily like him as much if I

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Speaker 8: Not just beating me, I mean in front of my family,

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Speaker 8: right right, But the dude will put a three up

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Speaker 8: and turn to the opposing team's bench before it drops

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Speaker 8: and talk shit so I can have the.

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Speaker 6: Twelve man getting ship talk.

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Speaker 5: He hasn't seen the court and Steph staring him in

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Speaker 6: I can see why they wouldn't mess with him.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, as a fan, the dude is a doll,

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Speaker 5: and there's no way to this few days.

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Speaker 4: Analytics are funny, Like I'm a fan of analytics. I

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Speaker 4: do think aesthetically. I miss Zion style. I miss Barkley,

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Speaker 4: I miss Zion, I miss Karl Malone. I like guys

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Speaker 4: that create a conflict. I aesthetically the leagues alone. Man,

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Speaker 4: I like it too.

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Speaker 3: I miss it.

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Speaker 4: I like physical like listen. I like in baseball. I

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Speaker 4: like play at the plate in football. I love seeing

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Speaker 4: love it. I think aesthetically, the league's a lot of threes.

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Speaker 3: That's the reality of it.

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Speaker 7: It's it's math.

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Speaker 4: But I've always had this theory that I call it

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Speaker 4: analytics not analytics. I like analytics, I get it. I'm

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Speaker 4: not stupid, but these are men. Don't turn them into code,

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Speaker 4: don't turn them into numbers. Like sometimes you just got

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Speaker 4: to say to a dude, dame, I don't care what

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Speaker 4: you've done. Just take the game over. Four minutes left,

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Speaker 4: take it over. Are are if I said analytics, you

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Speaker 4: buy it, you're into it, You're a little cynical. I

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Speaker 4: had Darryl Mory on a couple of weeks ago, and

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Speaker 4: he even acknowledged there are some analytics that he said,

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Speaker 4: you know, you can make arguments whether they win games,

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Speaker 4: like plus minus doesn't really mean anything. That's that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Analytics to you fan or not? Like old school news school,

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Speaker 4: where do you land on that?

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Speaker 1: Let's it go first. I absolutely do appreciate analytics. I

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Speaker 1: I have with every other fan base, every other I

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Speaker 1: guess the nomination of how they approach the game is,

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Speaker 1: where are you examining the eye with the examining the

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Speaker 1: with a pessimistic eye?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 1: Are you looking to to to point out you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, things that can be improved, things where where

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Speaker 1: are you not having fun at all with your analytics

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Speaker 1: you know which with the way you're analyzing things here.

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Speaker 7: So that's where I'm at with it.

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Speaker 1: Like you can tell when someone is criticizing shit, and

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Speaker 6: Taken away from the beauty of the game. I'm not

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Speaker 5: Like I'll look at analytics and and and find them delicious.

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Speaker 6: I'm a finance major.

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Speaker 5: I kind of like numbers. I'm geeky, you feel me.

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Speaker 5: But know when it's taken away from the beauty of

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Speaker 6: Anymore, you know what I mean? I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't want that like they don't take away from

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, I just think of it.

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Speaker 2: You have a hard time convincing me that, like the

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's something that they have to draw people to.

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Speaker 2: Baseball is deadening the balls up this year because it's

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Speaker 3: So I do, I mean, I think that's part of it.

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Speaker 2: And I think that because American sports are so business driven,

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Speaker 3: In soccer, that's a concept on the global stage. If

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Speaker 3: you win, but you play boring, everyone hates you.

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Speaker 2: We don't give a shit if you went right, you

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Speaker 2: And in America it's like, well they succeeded, so I'm

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Speaker 3: But again, it's not like this is not a boardroom discussion.

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Speaker 2: You're doing it in your free time on a Saturday afternoon,

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Speaker 2: you to hate it, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, right, Yeah, I mean, listen, I grew up with

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Speaker 4: I grew up with Magic and the Lakers, and it

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Speaker 4: was you know, it was Kareem was unstoppable. You got

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Speaker 4: guard inside out basketball. But I don't think those guys

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Speaker 4: were nearly as athletic, Like I just just don't think

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Speaker 4: they were. You know, I've always said this about Jordan's Bulls.

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Speaker 3: They really weren't.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't an offensive team. It's the best defensive team

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Speaker 4: I've ever seen. It's the longest team. Like if you

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Speaker 4: turn the lights off and put that Bulls team in

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Speaker 4: with anybody except the Pistons, they'd come out. It was

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Speaker 4: the toughest team. I mean, Ron Harper was a badass Rodman.

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Speaker 4: They were all just like they That was the Detroit

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Speaker 4: was different. Detroit's the scariest team. I mean Detroit would

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Speaker 4: just get after you. They were cheap and the Bulls

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Speaker 4: were too talented to be cheap because they all know,

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Speaker 4: most of them made good money. They were just too gifted.

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Speaker 4: They were artists. They weren't gonna screw guys up. Detroit

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Speaker 4: didn't care because outside of Isaiah, they didn't have a

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Speaker 4: ton of natural you know. It was Mahorne and Lambier

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Speaker 4: and it was like they all looked like tight ends.

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Speaker 4: But I do think, I just I think I like

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Speaker 4: conflict at the rim. I love, for instance, I love Zion.

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Speaker 4: I love Zion. I know he doesn't play defense. I

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Speaker 4: know his mid rain game, mid rain game needs work.

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Speaker 4: Your thoughts on Zion, guys.

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Speaker 3: What do you see what you like?

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Speaker 1: Don't cut everyone man right that that young man is

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Speaker 1: getting twenty five points per game three feet.

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Speaker 7: Away from sup. I'm not sure you really need to

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Speaker 7: work on anything at this stage.

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Speaker 3: Just you know.

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Speaker 7: But the thing is the thing is, we really do

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Speaker 7: not know how to evaluate.

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Speaker 1: Players until the playoffs, Until you know, we get coaches

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Speaker 1: who are you know, committed to scheming for seven straight

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Speaker 1: games against guys like like I so with the honest,

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Speaker 1: you know, phenomenal two time MVP. But in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: you know there's a blueprintomum, slow the game down, take

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Speaker 1: the full court away from him, take the transition away

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Speaker 1: from him, you know, make the game a half court game,

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Speaker 1: and clog up the driving lanes. So we've got that

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Speaker 1: scouting reporter how to stop be honest now, But you know,

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Speaker 1: guys like like Zion who are two years in, I

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Speaker 1: feel like, Yo, keep doing what you're doing that's getting

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Speaker 1: you twenty five to night, and then we'll work on

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Speaker 1: the other ship. You know, is you know, when we

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Speaker 1: get the time as a secondary option.

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Speaker 2: Here, the question is is anyone going to figure out

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Speaker 2: how to stop him? I mean, like he wasn't He's

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Speaker 2: not just doing twenty five like he got, but he

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Speaker 2: got more than that on more than his average shooting

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Speaker 2: against Rudy Gobert. He's supposed to be the defensive center

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Speaker 2: in the league, right Regularly he eats him food, right right?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, that's that's the quest.

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Speaker 2: That's the question, Giannis, is it's easier to apply a

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Speaker 2: team defense, but no one's throwing three dudes at a center,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the league anymore, Like Lonzo can make

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Speaker 2: wide open three pointers, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like, so I don't know that we'll see people really

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Speaker 3: commit to stopping him like that.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's really a Janis though, Like he

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Speaker 5: just can't shoot free throws, you know.

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Speaker 6: What I mean?

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Speaker 5: Like, I think that's that's his big issue. If he

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Speaker 5: shoots free throws. Just absolutely no way you can stop

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Speaker 5: the man. You know what I'm saying, Like, I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's awkol about him. You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I always feel like the greatest players I've ever

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Speaker 4: seen in my life. You can't marginalize him. You couldn't Michael,

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Speaker 4: you couldn't Kobe, you couldn't Magic, you couldn't really Bird,

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Speaker 4: you can't Lebron. I feel like there's a way to

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Speaker 4: defend you on us. I don't think there was ever

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Speaker 4: a way to do fen Kobe. I you know, for me,

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Speaker 4: I look at Giannis and I'm like, I watched Kawhi

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Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's

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Speaker 4: the book.

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Speaker 3: I just that.

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Speaker 4: I know, I know it sounds ridiculous, but I watch

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Speaker 4: him and I'm like, Leyden games you, I just don't

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Speaker 4: feel any I don't trust Jannis Layton get four minutes

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Speaker 4: to go. I don't want him with a ball. Is

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Speaker 4: that too harsh?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 6: Two years ago, he was hiding, you know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Middleton was the guy that had the ball

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Speaker 5: in the end of the games, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: Like, So, I mean, no, I don't think it's too harsh.

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Speaker 6: I think he just needs to learn how to shoot

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Speaker 6: free throws. He's not gonna hide as much. But I mean,

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Speaker 6: you can't stop him getting to the lane. You know,

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Speaker 6: Yann's doing Gianni's things. That's unstoppable.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, if you if you can get a

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Speaker 5: hand on them and follow him, you know, you know,

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Speaker 5: you never know what was you gonn get at the

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Speaker 5: free throw line, you know what I'm saying. So, I

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Speaker 5: think that's his big issue. He doesn't need to shoot threes.

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Speaker 5: He's hit free throws.

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Speaker 4: You know. All right, we do Rapid Fire. Now for

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Speaker 4: this brief segment, I'm gonna call you by your real names. Okay,

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Speaker 4: we're not we're not doing the band names here, Okay,

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Speaker 4: and uh, let's start with you, John, Rapid Fire. Worst

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Speaker 4: uniform in the.

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Speaker 1: N b A is.

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Speaker 6: Miami City Editions. Everybody loves them, but they're so ugly.

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Speaker 6: To me, they're horrible. But they're so mean. It's too colorful.

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Speaker 2: You're putting that on your body, I mean personally, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you if I'm making NBA batmanimum, hell yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Know, I'm of course I'm putting anything on my body

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Speaker 5: at that point.

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean, I'll put a dress on it.

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Speaker 6: You gave me a million, you know what i mean.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying I would not choose those jerseys.

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Speaker 4: All right, Mike. If Jenkins and Jones were an NBA

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Speaker 4: jam duo, they would be.

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Speaker 2: Larry Johnson and Alonza Morning with the Starter Jackets.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's saying. That is so nice.

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Speaker 3: Guys, Why are mine?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyler, the single best follow for you on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Is Tyler Iron.

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Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough, Mike. The word that best describes your

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Speaker 4: hometown of Long Beach is.

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Speaker 3: Grimy with grimey Colin.

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Speaker 2: You know, we got we got drug dealers, we got rappers,

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Speaker 2: we got millionaires.

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Speaker 3: And Olympic sailors. We got everything you.

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Speaker 6: Want a lot.

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Speaker 2: So, we got rolling twenties and we got so that's stallone.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's everything you want. City by the scene, Sir, Tyler.

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Speaker 4: If you hosted my show The Herd tomorrow on Fox

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Speaker 4: Sports One, your opening monologue would be.

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Speaker 1: How Steph is like the prototypical perfect All Star game player.

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Speaker 1: Like I was watching him play play Sunday night. I

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Speaker 1: was like, this dude is the perfect All Star Game guy.

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous handles, ridiculous range, can pass his ass off, Like

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Speaker 1: that's everything you want and someone who's gonna show out

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Speaker 1: in an All Star game.

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Speaker 7: That was like my big takeaway from that game, Like

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Speaker 7: Steph is fucking.

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Speaker 4: Perfect for us, Mike. The animal that would get absolutely

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Speaker 4: owned in the Animal Combined is a.

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Speaker 3: Human being, math.

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Speaker 2: I have a twenty pound cat named Pablo who would

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Speaker 2: not succeeded anything Colin. I'll put Pablo as the last

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Speaker 2: place sub Tom Brady Combine performer.

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Speaker 4: Well, we love having you and I appreciate you guys

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Speaker 4: coming on late. This airs obviously Monday morning. It's for you, guys.

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Speaker 4: It's now you are you guys? One of you is

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Speaker 4: out East ones in Long Beach. One's in Big Bear

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Speaker 4: right now, right Big Bear, Mike, where you.

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Speaker 2: I'm in Long Beach. And then Tyler's in Richmond, Virginia.

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Speaker 2: So we're both hometown boys.

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Speaker 3: You were talking about the zip codes, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 2: We travel, we do get around, but Tyler and I

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Speaker 2: are both holding it down for Long Beach.

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Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Guys.

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Speaker 3: We feel really do.

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Speaker 4: We feel so lucky to have you. I wanted to

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Speaker 4: bring you on and kind of introduce you to people

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Speaker 4: that listen to our show or my show. I've been

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Speaker 4: doing this for thirty years. I think you're great. I

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Speaker 4: think you're smart, you're funny, you know your stuff, you're

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Speaker 4: totally passionate. I just feel we're just totally lucky. It

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Speaker 4: was funny when I called you. When I when I

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Speaker 4: called Michael, I said, Michael, these guys are great. I said,

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Speaker 4: do you think they would like take the call? Like

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Speaker 4: like I'm an old head, Like I'm not sure these

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Speaker 4: guys arena be like coward. Oh god Jesus hell, we're.

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Speaker 5: Internet old though we're Internet old's, I would say.

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Speaker 6: Right, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, definitely if you're not twenty four on

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Speaker 1: the Internet year olds.

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Speaker 7: Yes, we're the.

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Speaker 3: Same old out here.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: We get call hold by everyone who follows us too.

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Speaker 7: So it's all good.

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Speaker 4: Guys. I appreciate it. I'm gonna keep retweeting all your stuff.

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Speaker 4: Just watch at the volume sports, Twitter, and Instagram. They're

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Speaker 4: going to be all over for the next couple of years,

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Speaker 4: hopefully longer, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Guys, pre sad, you man, pre sade you man.

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Speaker 3: Alright, man, all right. That was our special episode with

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Speaker 3: Colin Cowherd. Stay tuned for the next episode of Jenkins

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Speaker 3: and Jones, coming on Thursday.