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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted Social

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Speaker 1: distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford,

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Speaker 1: joined as always by my trusted colleague West had Ko.

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Speaker 1: It's coming to you from our humble abodes and West.

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Speaker 1: Late last week we heard from quarterback Aaron Rodgers. He

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Speaker 1: spoke publicly on a conference call with Wisconsin media for

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Speaker 1: the first time since the Packers drafted Jordan's Love and

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Speaker 1: changed the whole dynamic at quarterback, and all of the

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Speaker 1: speculation about Aaron Rodgers future and the Packers future was

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Speaker 1: thrown up in the air. What was your initial reaction

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Speaker 1: to what the quarterback had to say. Well, first and foremost,

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Speaker 1: I did a radio interview with Jason will They right afterwards. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And the thing I told him was that I felt

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Speaker 1: he hit all of the notes he needed to hit.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers obviously knows he has to be accepting of

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Speaker 1: Jordan's Love because, as he said, Jordan's Love didn't ask

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Speaker 1: to come to Green Bay, he didn't ask to be drafted.

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Speaker 1: And as I wrote an insider inbox on Saturday, all

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Speaker 1: the young man is asking for is an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: learn and he has that now. With Aaron Rodgers. This

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Speaker 1: is an ego game. I get it. There are there

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Speaker 1: are big personalities there. You know, when you're playing at

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Speaker 1: it only makes sense that there's gonna be chips on

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Speaker 1: shoulders and you know, you feel wrong, do you feel

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Speaker 1: right at whatever? But the thing is is that Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers is still very much the man. Matt Lafleur, speaking

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Speaker 1: after Aaron Rodgers, talked about how much they need him

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Speaker 1: right now if they're going to be able to win

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Speaker 1: the championships. They feel like this team can still achieve.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I thought it was important

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Speaker 1: that Rogers also pointed out that his goals have not changed.

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Speaker 1: He still wants to play into his forties. He still

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Speaker 1: believes as long as his love of playing, his health

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Speaker 1: is where it needs to be, that he can be

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Speaker 1: one of the top quarterbacks in this league. And he's

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Speaker 1: looking forward to having the opportunity to prove that. What

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Speaker 1: happens in these next four or five years, certainly they're

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Speaker 1: gonna have huge implications for the future of the franchise.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's Rogers Love or anyone else who's going to

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Speaker 1: But the fact remains that right now it's Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: and it's Jordan's Love, and they need those two pieces

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Speaker 1: this team in the immediate to where it needs to go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like the main things that I took out of what

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Speaker 1: is in Matt Lafleur system coming off of the first year,

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Speaker 1: moving into the second year. He did mention he has

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Speaker 1: a lot of confidence in the receivers. I'm sure he

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Speaker 1: would have liked to have seen another high draft pick

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Speaker 1: brought in at receiver. I mean a lot of people did,

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Speaker 1: signing in terms of Roger's own long term future playing

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Speaker 1: and simple I thought he was just being a realist.

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Speaker 1: That's not really entirely in his hands anymore. I think

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Speaker 1: what when unset a little bit is that he, as

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Speaker 1: he has openly said many times, he plans to play

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Speaker 1: of that, I think Rogers was trying to keep as

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Speaker 1: now the focus iss he's not as much focused on

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Speaker 1: He can't just be a week one starter. We can't

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Speaker 1: goes back to you look at what's happening with two

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Speaker 1: want to give Jordan's love time to develop because as

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Speaker 1: I think that's something that needs to be considered. And

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Speaker 1: then the other thing too, Uh you mentioned talking about

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Speaker 1: this year's roster as well. He still feels like this

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Speaker 1: he had that confidence, that swagger, because he's a home

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Speaker 1: running backs and the tight ends. The Packers do have weapons.

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Speaker 1: I thought there was a point on Twitter I saw

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Speaker 1: there's no weapons for Aaron Rodgers, Davante Adams, Aaron Jones.

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Speaker 1: that brass rank yeah, absolutely, and one other point I

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Speaker 1: So he knows that if this does happen down the

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Speaker 1: now because of the decision the Packers made. Well, and

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Speaker 1: the thing I said, and it was two thousand fourteen,

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Speaker 1: Goodin's you have to trust your eye. You have to

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Speaker 1: don't know. Jordan's Love is an investment in the few, Sure,

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Speaker 1: All things that you have to consider, Yeah, absolutely and

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Speaker 1: be a great situation for Jordan's Love to be walking into. Well, um,

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Speaker 1: You have a story that is now up on our

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Speaker 1: anecdote that you heard when you were looking into Mr

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Speaker 1: Paul Gonzalez from TCU, the safety's coach, but he also

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