1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Yep, GEP Ghetto Boys is back and reload it all 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: in your mind. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, now deep throat it. This is going the streets. 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: The real, the real roaded to disenfranchise the truth to escapegoating, 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: and they ain't know where we speak the truth, so 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: they quoted because we wrote it the North South East coach. 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 3: Just the ge be mock keeping your head bobbing. It 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 3: ain't no stopping. 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 4: And once the bedrops head by. 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: Then the system is so corrupt they threw the rock 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: out their heads and then blame it on us. 12 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: Don't get it twisted on colding Meg danced, they put 13 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: no butterment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all Ghetto Boys in 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: the house back with another episode of information and instructions 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: to help you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: In the studio Jason. 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,319 Speaker 3: Mitchell, yes her, yes up. Can't oh good? But how 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 3: you doing. 19 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: Hey, man? Ship hold on hop out be on top. 20 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: I heard that, man. Thank you for having me, brother, 21 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: Thank you for. 22 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: Having assolutely man. We got to get right into it. 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: You have portrayed a number of complex characters and films 24 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: like Straight out of Compton and mud Bound and mud 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: Bound you played a you played a character that was 26 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: based on uh this guy who was you know, coming 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: home from post World War two and you got this 28 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: racial tension going on. How is it that you were 29 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: able to like channel that energy that was needed to 30 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: where you're coming home basically damn near war hero coming 31 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: back home to Mississippi, you know, one of the one 32 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: of the racists. I mean, this is like damn near 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: like the foundation of racism in America, fact, right, Like, 34 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: how were you able to to channel to channel that 35 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: energy well to deliver that role? 36 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 5: I mean to be honest, right, like just being a 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 5: black man in America, we know they got racism that 38 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 5: that just lies on the surface, especially when you grew 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 5: up in the South like me. I'm originally from New Orleans, 40 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 5: right right. But my grandfather he's from Bush, Louisiana, and 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 5: went to the Korean War, came home with I mean, 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 5: uh probably like a fourth or fifth grade education, and 43 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 5: had to marry my grandmother, which which they consider uh 44 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 5: passe blan. I don't know if you ever seen this movie, 45 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 5: The Pass and that Tessa Thompson just did this black. 46 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: And white film. 47 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was an excellent film, but it was like real, right, So, 48 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 5: my my grandmother was what they called passe blann passed 49 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 5: for white, and her my grandfather pretty much got together 50 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 5: because he had some money from the war and she 51 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 5: was white enough to go start them a business, you know. 52 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 5: So that was it was damnar really his story, and 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 5: like where we actually shot the film when I was 54 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 5: in the f four than fifth grade. Man, we took 55 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 5: field trips out there to see, you know, the plantations 56 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 5: and the wax museums and all of that. So it 57 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 5: was something that was already kind of deep rooted in 58 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 5: me that I felt like I just needed to let out. 59 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 5: And it was such a privilege to be able to 60 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 5: let that. 61 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: Out, you know what I mean. 62 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 5: Like, I just appreciate d Read so much for talking 63 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 5: about that, because a lot of times people want to 64 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 5: jump straight from slavery to civil rights and they never 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 5: want to talk about this Jim Crow situation that was 66 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 5: happening that really, I feel like, built the hate, you 67 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 5: know what I mean, between white and black people. 68 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 3: And it was. 69 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 5: Man funny story about that, right, Like I took my 70 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 5: grandfather to see Straight out of Compton and he fell 71 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 5: asleep in the middle of the movie, just was knocked out, 72 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. 73 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: Not that had nothing to do with the movie. 74 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 5: Right, But when I took him to go see mud Bone, 75 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 5: he literally sat there with his arms folded the entire time. 76 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 5: Not mind you, his oldest brother was a slave, you 77 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 5: know what I mean. And in his mind's always some 78 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 5: work to be done, even on a Sunday, you know 79 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 5: what I mean. He always tell me it's always it's 80 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 5: always some wit. And he sat there with his arms 81 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 5: folded the entire time. And when we left out of there, 82 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 5: he was like, so, you mean to tell me that 83 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 5: these people paid you to do this, that's. 84 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: What you're saying. 85 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 5: Like he couldn't even conceptualize the fact that I had 86 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 5: got money put in my pocket and I'm getting glorified 87 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 5: for putting this on TV. He couldn't even his brain 88 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 5: couldn't even compute it, you know what I mean. 89 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: And I just look at it. 90 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: Was he upset? Was he upset about it? 91 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 92 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 5: Because I mean, to him, it was way too real, 93 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 5: you know, because the exact same thing happened to him 94 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 5: and a few of his brothers. They went to the war, 95 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 5: came back and even though they was heroes, they wasn't 96 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 5: getting no love from no white folks, and they wouldn't 97 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 5: save them, you know what I mean. So they really 98 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 5: they had a whole different type of a feeling about 99 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 5: the film just in general, you know, and it took 100 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 5: other people to tell them, oh, like he getting awards 101 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 5: and you know, the movie is doing so good for 102 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 5: him to even calm down, Like he wasn't even trying 103 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 5: to hear that at first, you know what I mean. 104 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: And it was just so he felt that your character 105 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: was blasphem me. 106 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 5: Well he thought cause in his mind right, acting is 107 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 5: already kind of a joke, like they're not paying no 108 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 5: black man to be no actor, Like that's that's not 109 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 5: like that's never gonna happen, you know, because back in 110 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 5: their day it was like if you was acting for 111 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 5: them white people, you was basically a joke, like you. 112 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: Know, black people wasn't respecting it, you know. 113 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 5: So he already was kind of like looking at my 114 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 5: job like when you're gonna get a real job, you 115 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 5: know what I mean. 116 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm telling you like he never believed me. 117 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 5: It always took everybody else to tell him like, oh, 118 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 5: you know, your grandson doing great, and but yeah, he 119 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 5: never he never looked at my job, like it was 120 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 5: a real thing. So when he saw that, it was 121 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 5: like but for me, I feel like, look what we 122 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 5: did in three generations, you know what I mean. We 123 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 5: basically went from his oldest brother who was a slave. 124 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 5: I mean, he put my mama and her two siblings 125 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 5: in LSU because all they could do was pick up 126 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 5: trash at LSU. But think about it, like you go 127 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 5: to a war and then you come home and all 128 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 5: you could do is pick up trash on LSU campus. 129 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 5: That's crazy. So he sent all his kids there, you know, 130 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 5: just like to be able to stand firm on what 131 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 5: he believed. And then you know, my mom had me. 132 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 5: And then I put that story on the big screen, 133 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, And we went for a 134 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 5: few oscars. 135 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: So yeah, I. 136 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 5: Feel like that's when I realized as an actor, like 137 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 5: what I did really meant something, you know what I mean, 138 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 5: Like when I play easy E, I knew. 139 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 3: Like I just couldn't. You just can't fuck that up, 140 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: you know what I. 141 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 5: Mean, Like if you do, you just gotta hide under 142 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 5: a rock until it blow over. 143 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: But when you start, like. 144 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 5: You know, when your children come home and they like, Daddy, 145 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 5: we watched your movie at school today. That's that's life changing, 146 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So you know, I hate 147 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 5: to look at myself like an actor activist or something 148 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 5: like that, because I ain't got a racist bone in 149 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 5: my body. But you know, it feel good to be 150 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 5: able to tell our story and not have to be 151 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 5: violent with our protests, you know what I mean. 152 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 3: So I feel like we came a long way. 153 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: But how do you go from easy a tough guy, 154 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: easy e ain't scared of nothing, to Rounzel Jackson. Yeah, 155 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: you know this this guy who is it? What he rolling? 156 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: He got a chip on his shoulder, but man, he 157 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: got a deal. The motherfuckers right in Mississippi. I mean, 158 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: they're a different type of uncivilized, but right, you know, 159 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: and and they got they got the law enforcement and 160 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: the courts and the government everything, everybody all inconhusion, everybody 161 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: on the same page. Like you're nobody. You're dealing with 162 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: a system. You're not dealing with a person. You're dealing 163 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: with a system. 164 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 5: Right, you know, right, And you know, as sad as 165 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 5: it is, like still really haven't wiggled our way outside 166 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 5: that system all the way you know, as blacks like 167 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 5: because they have this cooker cutter version of what it 168 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 5: should be. 169 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: You know. 170 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 5: Let you know that with all due respect, Let's just 171 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 5: take Hollywood for instance, right, it was built by a 172 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 5: certain group of people, and you know a lot of 173 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 5: the talent is black talent, or it may be you know, 174 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 5: people of color or whatever it may be. But if 175 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 5: you're not coloring inside the lines, they can move you 176 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 5: around real quick. 177 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: And it's the same thing with the sharecropping situation. 178 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 5: It's like you you free, but you live on my land. 179 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 5: So in order to have anything that me and anything, 180 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 5: you got to work for me. And that's just how 181 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 5: this system was built. And it's sad to see. 182 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 3: You know, but. 183 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 5: Me and a few of my brothers, brothers like yourself, 184 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 5: you know, we wiggling our way out. 185 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: Of this, you know what I mean. 186 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 5: And it's about ownership and it's about having something for yourself. 187 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 5: So you know, if anybody learns anything for me in 188 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 5: my career, that's what I want him to go home with, 189 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 5: you know, go home with something that's for you and 190 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 5: that's gonna be for your family, you know what I mean. 191 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 5: You gotta you gotta own something in this world for sure, 192 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 5: you know. And it's it's it's it's pretty crazy or 193 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 5: to have this, uh, this freedom to be able to 194 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 5: express myself the way I feel like I need to because. 195 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 3: It's tough. It's hard out here, you know what I mean. 196 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 5: You got the police on your back, you got all 197 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 5: of this systemic racism, all of these different things happening, 198 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 5: you know. So I think I was very blessed to 199 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 5: be in a situation to be able to speak for 200 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 5: an entire demographic of people, you know. So I just 201 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 5: I really got to get a get a glory to God, man, 202 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 5: because when you ask how, I don't really know. 203 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 3: Man's it's a blessing. 204 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 4: You know. 205 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 5: That's where the gift kicking and my own understanding moves 206 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 5: out the way. 207 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, you talked about the role you played and straight 208 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 2: out of Compton, Easy, the iconic easy Eric, right, the 209 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 2: man the guy above. All right, that was your breakout roll. 210 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: That was congrats, you know, thank you and salute because 211 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: when I looked at you do that in fact, all 212 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: all you guys nailed your roles. Y'all was just perfect. 213 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 2: The casting was perfect. 214 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to give a big shout out to Vicky. 215 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 2: Thomas Thomas man get that that the casting was perfect 216 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: one thout believable and the way you the way you 217 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 2: were able to channel your your your energy, it was 218 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: like a roller coaster, you know, you was like a 219 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: roller coaster type thing going on, and but you were 220 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: able to deliver it and it was believable every step 221 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 2: of the way. That was no hiccups, Like how were 222 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: you able to channel this iconic character and maintain you know, 223 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: like you know you're acting, but you know you're going 224 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: cut cut, cut cut, and still be able to deliver 225 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: like time and time and time again, because I know 226 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: the movie only lasted an hour or something, right, right, right, 227 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: but I know you know it took a lot of 228 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: takes to get get it right, to get it perfect. 229 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, Gary, Gary Gray. You know we also got 230 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 5: to give a shout out to him. You know, that's 231 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 5: our fearless leader and as a black director, I mean, 232 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 5: he ain't ever missed, you know what I mean, Like 233 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 5: his first film Friday when you look at set it off, 234 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 5: the Italian Job, the Negotiator, I mean, he just don't 235 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 5: miss you know, so we we definitely got to put 236 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 5: him properly on the plateau that he should be on. 237 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 5: And you know, he's definitely one of the greades. He 238 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 5: might be the highest paid black you know director ever. 239 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 5: So he grew up around the corner from Cbe, you 240 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 5: know what I mean. He knew this life very well. 241 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 5: But for me, you know, being from New Orleans, all 242 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 5: I know is the lingo, right because I'm seeing it 243 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 5: on TV. I'm seeing Minister Society, you know, these sorts 244 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 5: of movies, and I'm not able to do the voice 245 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 5: real quick because and I could switch it up and 246 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 5: do the La voice, and you know, I could do 247 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 5: all of that. And it was like something that we 248 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 5: always thought was funny in New Orleans because you know, 249 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 5: I don't really know exactly what language we speak because 250 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 5: it's not quite English, you know, but like it was 251 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 5: funny to us that they would pronounce every syllable even 252 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 5: though they were super gangster, and you know, and it 253 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 5: was things that I saw on TV that like, once 254 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 5: I got to La and I met guys like Nipsey 255 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 5: and Problem and Laylaw and all of them, when they 256 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 5: started to explain the gang culture to me, a lot 257 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 5: of it started to make more sense. Like when people 258 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 5: see easy move in certain ways, like all of these 259 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 5: things was like crip affiliated situations, right, So I just 260 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 5: started looking at it like, you know, what if I 261 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 5: could build this man from the ground up and humanize 262 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 5: him as a person, you know, from you know him 263 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 5: growing up like having their first little studio in his 264 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 5: grandmother's garage. 265 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 3: To you know, going through baby Mama drama, to you. 266 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 5: Know, his cousin being killed and being one of the 267 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 5: biggest drug dealers ever. I was just sort of putting 268 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 5: all these pieces together that would allow me ultimately to 269 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 5: be so prepared that by the time I got on set, 270 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 5: I was taking direction as easy and not as Jason Mitchell. 271 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 3: You dig that. So that's kind of that's how locked 272 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: in I was. 273 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 5: And man, we like working with Gary was crazy, right 274 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 5: because for four straight weeks we had to like re 275 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 5: record the album. 276 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 3: We had to do our kind of like uh. 277 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 5: Performance training and stuff like that with dub C, and 278 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 5: they wanted to believe that we was in w A. 279 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 3: Yeah that's my guy. 280 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 5: He's a super solid one, you know what I mean, 281 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, he's he's amazing. But they wanted us 282 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 5: to convince NWA that we was in WA without the costumes, right, right, 283 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 5: So you know, it was about being able to listen 284 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 5: to each other and really be able to transfer the 285 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 5: energy and all of these different things that like, at first, 286 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 5: we all really kind of thought some bullshit. He like, man, 287 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 5: this nigga, bro, he's just doing the most. So one 288 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 5: day he pulls some money out of his pocket and 289 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 5: he said, everybody close your eyes, and he drops a 290 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 5: bill on the ground and he said what kind of 291 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 5: bill is that? And were like, come on, bro, like 292 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 5: you just making up anything now. He like, no, if 293 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 5: you're really listening and you're really paying attention, you wouldn't 294 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 5: know what kind of bill that hits the ground. If 295 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 5: it's one hundred or five or one dollar bill, a 296 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 5: twenty or ten, you gonna know if you're really paying attention, man, listen. 297 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: By the end of that training, he had us do 298 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: it again. He dropped that. 299 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 5: Everybody was like, that's a hundred, that's a hundred. We 300 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 5: looked down it was one hundred dollar bill, and it 301 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 5: was just incredible to like work with him and get 302 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 5: that real coarateie going. 303 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. We was really like brothers. 304 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 5: Like when we were doing all that crying at the 305 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 5: end of the movie, it became a joke to us because. 306 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 3: We was like this nigga really about to make me cry. 307 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 5: Like when Algi Hodge walked out of the player mc wren, 308 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 5: he was really holding him to his back. When Neil 309 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 5: ran out of that crying, he was really he was 310 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 5: in the in the in the hallway, really balling off camera, 311 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Because we grew such a 312 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 5: brotherhood that it was like it just it felt too real. 313 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 5: It felt too real to us, you know what I mean. 314 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: I just don't know a way that they could have 315 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: gotten a better cast out of that. I just don't know, 316 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: Like it was so perfectly casting. Typically, you can get 317 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 2: one person, the right person. You can find somebody that 318 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: can really really embody the role that character. They can 319 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: do it for. 320 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 6: That one person, right, but everybody is a different what 321 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 6: five different man and even down to like the Jimmy 322 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 6: Iveen little roles that they popped in that you like, damn. 323 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 5: Like when I first met Jimmy, I was so impressed 324 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 5: to see him standing next to the guy that was 325 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 5: playing him. 326 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 3: It blew my mind. 327 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, they find everybody that really looked like 328 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 5: the people. 329 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: But they still had their chops too. 330 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Paul, he was he was amazing to work 331 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 3: with Bro. 332 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 5: He like, he changed my whole mind frame on where 333 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 5: I was on the totem pole, you know what I mean. 334 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 5: Because I didn't know no actors growing up, Like the 335 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 5: actors that are from New Orleans, they had to leave 336 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 5: New Orleans in order to you know, flourish. They had 337 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 5: to you know, go to New York, LA or whatever 338 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 5: it was. So I grew up around all rappers, you 339 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 5: know what I mean. I come up under Lil Wayne 340 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 5: and you know what I mean, the squad and all 341 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 5: of these guys. 342 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Coming up, I rapped. 343 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 5: I rapped before everybody thought I was gonna rap, you 344 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 5: know what I mean, and not act. But I was 345 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 5: just like, you know what, ain't nobody acting. So once 346 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 5: I found that little hustle, I was like, hey, I 347 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 5: might be good at this, you know. 348 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: So I ended up. 349 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: You're going you're gonna put it in? You gotta put it. 350 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: It's like it's calling you, bro. 351 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 3: It definitely is. I got it. 352 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 5: I got a couple of records, you know, because I 353 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 5: ain't gonna lie. I can write any kind of music. 354 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 5: I could write country music if I really wanted to. 355 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 5: Me and Trevor Jackson, who I did Superfly with. We 356 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 5: we write a lot of music together. Yeah, that's my guy. 357 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: Man, That's that's something else. You can country music. 358 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 3: I can. I can. I'm here for it because I mean, 359 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 3: I'm a storyteller. 360 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I bet you can't 361 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: do that opera. 362 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 3: Opera, you know what. 363 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 5: That might be a little out my jacket, you know 364 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 5: what I mean, But it's not necessarily something I enjoyed, 365 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 5: Like the artist beautiful. 366 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: I just saw a black opera singing like. 367 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 5: Like a couple of months ago, and I was just like, wow, 368 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 5: this is it's incredible. 369 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 3: But I'm did you cry? I didn't. 370 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: You're supposed to cry when you listen to opera. You 371 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: gotta cry. You know what you're listening. That's what make 372 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: it feel good. It's all about crime, bro. Like you 373 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 2: if you don't cry, you you really don't understand opera. 374 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: Like I'm supposed to go to my first opera event 375 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: in a few days, and you know. 376 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: You gotta record yourself crime. 377 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: I'm a cry. 378 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 3: I gotta see, I gotta I gotta I want to 379 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 3: see the process. 380 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: I got some tears for him, bro, Like, yeah, but 381 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 2: you if you, if you can't cry or you're not 382 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: really an actor. 383 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 3: Oh I could. 384 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: You gotta be able to cry, to be a really 385 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: cry right now, do it right now, right now, right now, 386 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 2: all right, let me see see you're gonna take me there, 387 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be able to come back, Willie, don't 388 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 2: do you see you see you're big. You're about to 389 00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: do it. 390 00:18:58,960 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: Though I saw us. 391 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 5: I was, I was, but it's not the easiest place 392 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 5: to come back from, you know, it's not the easiest place. 393 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you was about to do that, boy, Yeah, but 394 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: I also I saw that. 395 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 3: Look, yeah, you can see the Wellington quick. 396 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 397 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 5: Man, it's it's it's crazy because like you know, as 398 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 5: a youngster, I would always entertain myself and entertain my friends. 399 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 3: But I never thought that that. 400 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 5: Meant anything, you know, and all the hardships that I 401 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 5: really had in my life, I didn't I didn't cry 402 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 5: about them then. You know, like I lost my dad 403 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 5: when I was fifteen. He ended up killing himself. You know, 404 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 5: like we experienced a lot of trauma and New Orleans. Yeah, 405 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 5: just you know, my friends dying and all of this, 406 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 5: and it's like you get so immune to the to 407 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 5: the shock of it that you don't never really take 408 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 5: the time to cry. So I think when I did 409 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 5: start figuring out that that was something I could tap 410 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 5: into and let loose on it, that it became like 411 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 5: a therapy for me, right, Like me and f Gary Gray. 412 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 3: I'll never forget. 413 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 5: We're doing the Detroit scenes and you know, the big 414 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 5: concert scenes. 415 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 3: It's like high energy all of that. 416 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 5: You know, we laughing and you know, I'm going back 417 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 5: to my trailer for my lunch. And he comes to 418 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 5: my trailer and he's like, yeah, these hospital scenes, you 419 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 5: know they're coming up next week, and I just want 420 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 5: to know what you're gonna do. And I'm like, well, 421 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 5: you know, besides what's on the script, you know what 422 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm gonna bring the rain. I'm definitely gonna cry, 423 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like it's it's a process, 424 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Because you know, he didn't 425 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 5: even they didn't even think heterosexual men could get AIDS 426 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 5: at that time, you know. 427 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 3: So I told him. 428 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 5: About the discovery I was gonna have and you know, 429 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 5: I'm gonna cry, and he was like, well, I want 430 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 5: you to do it right now, and I was like. 431 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 3: No, Like I'm having a great day. I don't you 432 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 3: know what. I don't want to do this right now, 433 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 3: Like what do you mean? 434 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 5: He was like, we really had a hot and heavy 435 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,239 Speaker 5: argument in my trailer because I didn't want to show him, 436 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 5: you know, what I was gonna do. But then on 437 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 5: the day I'm talking about take one, that's what you're 438 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 5: seen on the movie because it just was coming down 439 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 5: and he just was in there hugging me, and I 440 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 5: was like, I told you, bro, I told you that 441 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 5: I was gonna be able to get there. But getting 442 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 5: back ain't the easiest thing in the world because they 443 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 5: got so much to cry for that we hold back sometimes, 444 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 5: and they got so much pain inside of us that 445 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 5: like if it's not channeled properly, you know, you could 446 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 5: it could pop out and go. 447 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: The wrong way. 448 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 5: So I'm glad that I do have this, this safe 449 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 5: place to be able to come and let them tears out, 450 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 5: like it ain't nothing. 451 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: What's the process getting there and what's the process getting back? 452 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 3: The process getting there? 453 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 5: I think, you know, they teach you, like in these 454 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 5: acting classes to use these breathing techniques, and you know, 455 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 5: after like different therapy and stuff that I've been through, 456 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 5: I realized that like when you are alone with your 457 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 5: thoughts and you try to breathe through it. Right, A 458 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 5: lot of times you can't help the way your body 459 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 5: starts to feel, you know what I mean. So I 460 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 5: just I built this muscle memory to not fight it, 461 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Once it starts to come, 462 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 5: let it go, you know. But getting back, I mean, 463 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 5: like you know, I this this film that's about to 464 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 5: come out. Now, everything is both you know, I had 465 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 5: a I had a tough scene. Well you know, I 466 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 5: had to. I had to let the tears out. But 467 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 5: like it really pretty much just took everybody coming and 468 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 5: put their arms around me, you know what I mean. 469 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 5: And that's that's what you need. You need that family love, 470 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 5: you know. So we have that moment, we had that 471 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 5: guy love situation and then it's over. You know, sometimes 472 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 5: you need that. 473 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: And did he did? 474 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 4: He hug? 475 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 3: He did? 476 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: He did. 477 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 5: But you know, you know how people give you the 478 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 5: tough hug you good man, You're good, great job man, 479 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 5: but you good. It's like cause it's you know, like 480 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 5: a lot of times when people see you go there 481 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 5: that fast and they're like, all right, well we're gonna 482 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 5: do a couple of more of these and you turn 483 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 5: it on and turn it off. It's like, you know, 484 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 5: it's crazy, but you know how like when you're young 485 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 5: and you get a whooping and you cry yourself to 486 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 5: sleep and you wake up feeling like a lot better. 487 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 3: A lot of times, that's how it is. 488 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 5: You know, it might feel a little fucked up while 489 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 5: you're doing it and going through it, but afterwards you 490 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 5: feel like the best. 491 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 3: That's why to me, it's it's definitely like a therapy thing. 492 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 4: I mean, Gottle Boys reloaded podcasts will be right back 493 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 4: after the squat? 494 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: How did you endust Man? 495 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: Me and jaquevis mad. 496 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 5: He ended up reaching out to me, just like I 497 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 5: think he might have just ran across my page or 498 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 5: something like that. But I was like, at the time 499 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 5: COVID had just hit, I was living in New York 500 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 5: and my life was kind of like, you know, it 501 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 5: was just a little bit slow for everybody like you 502 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 5: locked in the house, can't really do nothing whatever. So 503 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 5: he was, I'm gonna send you some book, you know, 504 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 5: but like you know, you know, nigga sometime say books 505 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 5: and you'd be like, damn, I ain't gonna, you know, 506 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 5: all right, send me books, you know, what I mean. 507 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: So it was all good. 508 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 5: But he sent me the books and I had nothing 509 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 5: to do, so I just I started reading. But then 510 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 5: I ain't put the books down. I'm like, damn, it's 511 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 5: nigga cold, you know what I mean. So I'm just 512 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 5: checking his books out, like dam he could you know, 513 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 5: he really dope. So through that we just built a friendship, 514 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And we just would always 515 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 5: just talk and just always be on the phone, and 516 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 5: we just you know what I mean, We just jokes 517 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 5: COVID together pretty much like you know, and we started 518 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 5: talking about maybe, you know, how we could turn one 519 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 5: of the books into a movie. And one thing just 520 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 5: sort of led to another, and he was like, man, listen, 521 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 5: you know I believe in you. If you believe in me, 522 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 5: let's do a movie. So I'm like, all right, one 523 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 5: thing just led to another and we ended up doing 524 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 5: a movie. 525 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: And did you know he was a New York best 526 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: seller before he reached out. 527 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't. I mean I had heard his 528 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 5: books before, you know. I heard his books because you know, 529 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 5: they real popular in the black community, him and his wife. 530 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 5: But I wasn't a big reader, you know, I would 531 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 5: read scripts and stuff. But you know, like a lot 532 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 5: of other black children, I just wasn't a big reader. 533 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: When you would read scripts, did you just read your 534 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 2: own parts and you read the whole script? 535 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 4: No? 536 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: I always read the whole script. Everybody know. 537 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 5: When I come on set, like I know my lines, 538 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 5: I know your lines. 539 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm just. 540 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, because I mean, I feel like you fine, because 541 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 5: I love movies, you know what I mean. And a 542 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 5: lot of times you got these little breadcrumbs and these 543 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 5: little gems that happen, and this is how you know 544 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 5: good writing. And I feel like, you know, a lot 545 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 5: of people think that I got where I am in 546 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 5: my career from the yesest, but it was really the nose. 547 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 3: It was all the shit that I turned down. 548 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 5: There was so many scripts that I get sent that 549 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 5: like I'm looking for key things in it to know 550 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 5: like if this is gonna be a good film or not. 551 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, what are you looking for? 552 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: Because that's one of the questions I have to ask you, 553 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: like what do you look for? Because you actually picked 554 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 2: some of the best roles, like memorable characters, characters that 555 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: have to dive deep and pull out those emotions. Yeah, 556 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 2: consistent with. 557 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: That, Well, I'm looking for the human pieces of it. Man. 558 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 5: A lot of times we just see stuff it's like 559 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 5: on the surface, right, Like I mean, I don't want 560 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 5: to I don't want to give no examples because I 561 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 5: don't want to say, oh this is bad acting or 562 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 5: bad movies. But we see it all the time, you know. 563 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 5: And and me, I need layers to a man, right, 564 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 5: Like just using Easy for example, he was the villain 565 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 5: that everybody hated to hate, right because he did a 566 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 5: lot of dumb shit and everybody was still rooting for him. 567 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 3: At the end, nobody wanted Easy to die. 568 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 5: He about to get his shit together. But in real 569 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 5: life he was definitely the villain. He was the bad 570 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 5: guy in the movie. You know, he liked Yeah, he 571 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 5: didn't have no problem with it because in his mind 572 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 5: he's thinking, QB, you seventeen years old, your opinion really 573 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 5: don't count. You ain't got no money, dre you you 574 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 5: got talent, but you ain't got no money, you know 575 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 5: what I'm saying. Still, I'm out here risking my life 576 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 5: for my money. So y'all, ain't my friends, Like this 577 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 5: is a business transaction. So at the end of the day, 578 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 5: without no money, all of these fantasies that y'all have 579 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 5: about being superstars and all of this good stuff is 580 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 5: out the window, you know. And at the time they 581 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 5: really was just thinking about being hood stars. Easy was 582 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 5: thinking bigger than them. So for him, he was the 583 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 5: mastermind and the money behind it. So how do you 584 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 5: go to somebody and tell them I deserve xyz that 585 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 5: they ain't never seen, you. 586 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 3: Know what I mean? 587 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 5: Like these guys went viral and it was just hand 588 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 5: to hand situations. So every character that I try to 589 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 5: find has layers. Rather they be good, bad, ugly, but 590 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 5: they they got layers of a man and they need 591 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 5: to be able to show that, you know what I'm saying, 592 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 5: Because I'm one of them people who I really believe, 593 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 5: Like I mean, you could feel when people got an 594 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 5: ugly energy about themselves, right, or some kind of demonic 595 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 5: energy about themselves. But for the most part, I don't 596 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 5: really believe in good people and bad people. I think 597 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 5: it's just people and there's decisions on the table, you know, 598 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 5: and like all of us have made a bad decision 599 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 5: here or there in our life, or you know, made 600 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 5: somebody feel a certain way, you know, Like everybody ain't 601 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 5: gonna love you. Everybody ain't gonna love your opinions. And 602 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 5: I think that's what humanizes roles and humanizes movies the most, 603 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 5: you know, just being able to show them different layers. 604 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 5: I'm a seventeen layer cake, so I need to be 605 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 5: to show people. 606 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: You know, you say everybody, you don't believe in good 607 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: and bad people, just people what you're saying on that 608 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: with And I think it is some demonic ass people 609 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 2: out that. Yeah, you do you think that? Do you 610 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: think that somebody like like say Dylan Ruth who shot 611 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: up the black people at the church, You don't think 612 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: he was a bad person. You think he just a person? 613 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 5: Well, you know, I'm also like, I ain't gonna say 614 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 5: I'm a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe that agendas 615 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 5: be pushed a lot of times and situations, and like 616 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 5: children are so easily influenced, Like they do have a 617 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 5: lot of demonic energies out here, right, But do I 618 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 5: believe that that kid was born hating black people and 619 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 5: said to himself, as soon as I get a chance, 620 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 5: I'm gonna shoot up a black church. 621 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. 622 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 5: Now, whatever took over his mind at the time to 623 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 5: make him go do that foolishness is a whole different story, 624 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 5: you know, cause, like I don't know the dude named 625 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 5: the other white boy who shot up the grocery store 626 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 5: and was only killing black people, remember, and he ran 627 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 5: up on a white person who was like, oh, I'm sorry. 628 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 3: He went to the next person. 629 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 5: But the first guy that he killed, the security guard 630 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 5: who was at the door, invented the engine that ran 631 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 5: off water and was just on the news like two 632 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 5: weeks before that. They ain't trying to have that, so 633 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 5: they gonna shoot him and then make it look like 634 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 5: a random mass mass shooting, you know what I mean. 635 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 5: So now when I'm starting to see these shootings, it's 636 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 5: getting more and more popular and a little bit crazy now, 637 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 5: and I feel like it's an agenda to cover up 638 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 5: what's really happening behind whoever they are out there looking for. 639 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: At the time, Well, I heard that theory. I heard 640 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,719 Speaker 2: that that was people saying that, you know, this happened 641 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: because this guy, this black guy, invented a car that 642 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: could run off water, and they can't let that happen. 643 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: And we know that those things do happen. We know 644 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: that they do try to silence black people who who 645 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: have ideas and information that can change the world because 646 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 2: they don't want to. They don't want to encourage black 647 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: kids to think bigger. 648 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 5: Right, And then on top of that, you know, it's 649 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 5: like if they give the cure to AIDS, all the 650 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 5: people who've been studying age making eighty ninety thousand a 651 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 5: year studying AIDS now don't have a job that exists anymore, 652 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 5: or so they gonna pluck you. 653 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: But here's my right with that theory. They don't have 654 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 2: to kill so many people just to kill this one guy. 655 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 2: Like keep in mind, the rest of us didn't even 656 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: know about this invention until after the dude got killed. 657 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 2: So if they just wanted to kill that guy, I mean, 658 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 2: why not just get, you know, one guy to run 659 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 2: up on him. How about this some guy tried to 660 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: act like he's stealing somebody's store. He acosta guy, the 661 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 2: guy blows his brains out, nobody questions anything. They know 662 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: how to kill. They know how to kill, and set 663 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: it up to make it look like that was some 664 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 2: type of disagreement. Like, especially when it comes to black people, 665 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: they'll immediately try to get make it like a hood situation, 666 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 2: like somebody just got out of pocket. They know how 667 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: to do that. Why kill so many people? 668 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 3: Well, I think. 669 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 5: Historic Black people have never thrived well in chaos because 670 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 5: we're so passionate, and the first thing we do when 671 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,719 Speaker 5: we really believe some shit is tear our own shit up, 672 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. We've been our worst enemy 673 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 5: for a long time, in my opinion, you know, so 674 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 5: the first thing they want to do is hand us 675 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 5: chaos and say, yeah, get mad, y'all get mad, everybody 676 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 5: get mad, because then we start we completely forget about 677 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 5: what's really happening in the situation. Because this is how 678 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 5: I look at it, right, Like I know a few 679 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 5: police and they wanted to be cops their entire life. 680 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 5: They waiting on opportunities to do some heroic shit. What 681 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 5: in any cop right mind after all of these people 682 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 5: being shot up, that yo approach to this person who 683 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 5: just did all of this killing and it's so sweet. 684 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 5: You're taking these people to get burgers and you're putting 685 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 5: bulletproof vests on them, and you know what I mean, 686 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 5: Like with black people, it's not like that police is 687 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 5: beating you up. 688 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 3: They're killing you, they're shooting you. 689 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 5: So to me, that was really what I'm looking at like, wait, 690 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 5: they why they ain't just take this opportunity to kill 691 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 5: this dude. They just had a mass shooting out here 692 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 5: in Texas. He was a brown guy, you know, some 693 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 5: kind of hispanic. Guess what, when it was all said 694 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,959 Speaker 5: and done, he was laid out, he was on the ground, 695 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 5: he was finished. They killed him, you know. And I 696 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 5: can't say that, like, you know, every one of them 697 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 5: is part of the agenda. But I'm saying when it's 698 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 5: the white folks who go do that, they never end 699 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 5: up killing them and we never know what happens to 700 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 5: him at the end of the day. 701 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: I think it's as simple as he's one of us. Example, 702 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: Like you know, he did what I wanted to do, 703 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: you know, right, So of course I'm going to treat 704 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 2: him with humanity because I would want to be treated 705 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: with humanity if I did that to them. 706 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 3: Like absolute. 707 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 2: They are inhumane. Main people who behave that way are inhumane. 708 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 2: They're uncivilized mus And and let me go back to 709 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: a statement you just made about us being our worst enemy. 710 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: I've heard that. I've heard that many many times from 711 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 2: black people, especially online, and assuming that they were black, 712 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 2: you know, online. The reason why I disagree with that 713 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 2: is because that is a tall statement to say that 714 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 2: we're our worst enemy. Uh, and we've been our worst enemy. 715 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: We black people have never enslaved our entire population of 716 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 2: people in any country. We we We didn't stamp unborn 717 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 2: babies out of their mother's wounds. We didn't feed babies 718 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: to alligators. We didn't take plows and snatched teeth out 719 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: of the mouths of human beings who didn't want to work, 720 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 2: and so they decided that because I don't want to work, 721 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 2: I'm not going to work for you anymore, I'd rather stove. 722 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: We forced them to eat liquids, so we snatched that 723 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 2: te pull their teeth out of their mouth. We didn't 724 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 2: bomb Tussle, Oklahoma. We didn't raid Rosewood and burn it 725 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 2: down to the ground. 726 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 3: We didn't. 727 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 2: We didn't. We didn't implement Jim Crow or the Tuskegee experiment. 728 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 2: You know, we didn't. We didn't create mass incarceration and 729 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 2: our welfare to purposely target black families and divide them. 730 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 2: We didn't bring crack cocaine into the neighborhood and disseminated, 731 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 2: disseminated an entire uh population of people. We we didn't 732 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: we didn't do any of those things. Those are a 733 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 2: major tries. 734 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fact, yes fact. 735 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 2: Yes we do have some uncivilized MutS in our race, 736 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 2: Yes we do. But that is a very small group 737 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 2: of people when you look at our entire population, when 738 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 2: you look when you really think about our plight in America, 739 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 2: we've only been freed legally freed just over one hundred 740 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 2: and what sixty years or so, one hundred and seventy years. 741 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 2: That is a very short time when you think about 742 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 2: the overall accomplishments of black people, we think about all 743 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 2: of our accomplishments. Let's not look at just the people 744 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 2: who are the Beyonces and the jay Z's. It's what 745 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 2: they try to get us to focus on, willly D's 746 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 2: and the Jason Mitchell's. 747 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 3: Right. 748 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 2: They try to get us to focus on people who 749 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 2: are who are in very special categories. 750 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 3: Right, we have. 751 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 2: Produced thousands of doctors and lawyers, tens of thousands dollars, educators, 752 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 2: inventors uh, entrepreneurs uh, just so and just every day 753 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 2: working class people who despite the odds, put their children 754 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 2: through school and kept them out of the long grips 755 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 2: of Johnny law. You know, we have so many success stories. 756 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 2: But what happens I think often to not not I think, 757 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 2: but I know, is that they use our worst as 758 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 2: an example of who we are collectively, and they use 759 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 2: and they use their worst. I mean, they use our 760 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 2: worst as an example of who we are collectively, and 761 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 2: they use their best as an example of who they 762 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 2: are collectively. 763 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 3: And oftentimes, I look at what Jesus. 764 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 2: And I think. I think all the times oftentimes we 765 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 2: get brainwashed by by that psychological war fact that they're 766 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 2: playing on us when we get born down so much 767 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 2: and we tend to stay just like a lot of 768 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 2: people that aren't black go like, damn, what's wrong with 769 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 2: the Negroes? 770 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 4: Right? 771 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 2: They can't get it together? And we're starting, Man, we 772 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:21,720 Speaker 2: can't get it together? 773 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 3: We are you know right? 774 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 5: Well, see what the way I look at it, right, 775 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,919 Speaker 5: is that, like you said, they've said, they've put these 776 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 5: systems in place for us to fight each other. Because 777 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 5: like even even to say something as small as we're 778 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 5: the minority, when you ask yourself for real, like where 779 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 5: really are we the minority? 780 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 3: Those numbers would change? Right Like you ever been in Hawaii? 781 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 2: Many I used to vacation all the time. 782 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 3: So you heard a Holly Day before. 783 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 5: I haven't, so Holly's is what they call white people, right, 784 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 5: you know, Holly Day. They just beat up all the 785 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 5: white people. It's like a it's like a holiday. But 786 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 5: everybody knows, like it's it's all good. Like that goes 787 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 5: on currently, INAII, Yeah, it's look it up. You can 788 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 5: google it. The Hawaiians, everybody else that ain't white. 789 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 3: They just beat the white people up. Yeah, it's a thing, right, 790 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 3: So imagine. 791 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 2: Well what days do they go out there? 792 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 5: I don't know, we got to google it. Fine, fine, 793 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 5: Holly Day. I think it's h O W l e y. 794 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 2: Holly like that. 795 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 6: But I just hate the white people who hate me man, right, right, 796 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 6: I'm the same way. 797 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 3: I don't. 798 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 2: I hate the one, and I hate the black people 799 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 2: who hate me too. I hate an anybody who hate me. 800 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 2: You don't like me, I don't like you. Man with me, 801 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 2: I rock with. 802 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 3: You, right? 803 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 5: But I think you know, these systems have been put 804 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 5: in place to, like you said, brainwash us, right, and 805 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 5: then they set it up to where like you know, 806 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 5: like for every fourth grader that fails the leap test, 807 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 5: they build a jail cell. You know what I'm saying, 808 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 5: like they they figuring it, they figuring out how to 809 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 5: again make you a slave. They're gonna put these systems 810 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 5: in place. But being from such a violent city, you know, 811 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 5: and what I see around me is it's kind of 812 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 5: crazy because I'm like, yo, I've never seen the police 813 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 5: actually kill somebody. You know, Like I know a lot 814 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 5: of people who carry guns all the time, and they're 815 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 5: not carrying guns for the white boys, you know what 816 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 5: I mean. So like that's what I mean by times 817 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 5: like we're our worst enemy because like we don't have 818 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 5: no money, so it's like, oh, made the toughest guy win, 819 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 5: or everybody want to be in charge. 820 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 3: Or when we do. 821 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 5: Decide to have a movement that we're pushing forward, we 822 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 5: leave with violence a lot of the times, you know 823 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 5: what I mean. And we're just so much smarter than that, 824 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 5: And like we got to be in this world where 825 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 5: where we pivoting, you know what I mean, And we 826 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 5: got to do that on a great level. Like you know, 827 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 5: you see some guys like like nineteen Keys, who you know, 828 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 5: they're getting huge groups of black people together and talking 829 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 5: about things that's that's sort of like solution based, you know, 830 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 5: they trying to make people think about it, but like 831 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 5: that's all fun and dandy, but like, what's the plan, 832 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 5: you know? And I think that's what we gotta start feeling, 833 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 5: like what's the plan, What we're gonna do, What we're 834 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 5: gonna do for each other, what situations we're gonna set 835 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 5: up for each other, because we still pressing these these 836 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 5: things to our a lot of our kids and a 837 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 5: lot of our families that like it's still putting them 838 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 5: up top and making it seem like white is right. 839 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 3: And they doing this all over the world, you know 840 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 3: what I mean. 841 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 5: And you see so much chaos happening in these black communities, 842 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 5: and I just I just think it's sad that, like, 843 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 5: you know, it's somebody job to wake up and go 844 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 5: spin on the ops. 845 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 3: Every morning, Like what are you thinking about? 846 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 5: You know what I mean? That's crazy to me. I 847 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 5: just I can't. I can't take that land down. 848 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 2: I gotta acknowledge everything that you said just now as truth. However, 849 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 2: those black people who do behave like uncivilized mus or 850 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 2: microcosm of society facts right overall American society. And so 851 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 2: if you live amongst black people who behave that way, 852 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 2: and even when you look at New Orleans as a whole. 853 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 2: Most Black people I know from New Orleans or law abiding, 854 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 2: hard working citizens. 855 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 3: Facts. 856 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 2: It is that small in the projects here or the 857 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 2: projects there are the projects there. It's where all the 858 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 2: bullshit comes from. They are not the majority of black 859 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 2: people in New Orleans, you know. So it's easy if 860 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 2: you come from that to see and that's all you see, 861 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 2: to just say, Okay, maybe that's what it is. But 862 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 2: I was. I was able to get outside of Fifth 863 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 2: Ward and I saw a lot of that too. But 864 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 2: I was able to get outside of Fifth Ward early on, 865 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 2: and I saw black people living differently. I saw people 866 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 2: behaving differently. I was able to move overseas to Azerbaijan, 867 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 2: and in that country at the time, I lived in Bahku. 868 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 2: Bahku is similar to Houston in numbers in the population 869 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 2: about four million people at the time and I lived there. 870 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 2: Houston had about four million people. The difference about Baiku 871 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 2: experienced about one murder a month, and typically it was 872 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 2: domestic wife's type of situation. In Houston. Comparably, Houston was 873 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 2: averaging about fifteen murders a week at that time. Now, 874 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 2: I also saw lines of men on the streets in suits, 875 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 2: and these suits were like not really in good condition, 876 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 2: but they were on the streets early in the morning, 877 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 2: and they waiting on people to pick them up. You know, 878 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 2: like in Houston and other parts, and even in Dallas 879 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 2: you see Mexicans out in that gas stations and kind 880 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 2: of stuff waiting on some jobs. Well, this is how 881 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 2: these guys would do. But it would be hundreds and 882 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 2: hundreds and rows of guys, I mean sometimes like for 883 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 2: a solid mile, just straight on both sides of the streets. 884 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:32,839 Speaker 2: And some people were still sleeping on dirt floors at 885 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 2: the time. Okay, some people, right, And I'm comparing it 886 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 2: to the US, and I'm going like, well, they're poor, 887 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,399 Speaker 2: They're really really poor. Why aren't they killing each other? 888 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 2: Why aren't they robbing? Because because we like we often say, 889 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 2: well we're killing each other and were hurting and we're 890 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 2: fighting and we robbing because we ain't got nothing. But 891 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 2: they ain't got nothing either. They really ain't got nothing, 892 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 2: and they're not robbing, they're not killing. And what I 893 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 2: surmise is how the government communicates with his people. Leadership 894 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 2: starts at the top, and these people have put a 895 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:24,399 Speaker 2: premium on life. They put a premium on family. They 896 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 2: put a premium on community. We don't. I was with 897 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 2: my family on our way home and we saw a fight. 898 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 2: We looked off the left. I saw this a fight. 899 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 2: It was like old women, children, men beating up this 900 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 2: one guy. They were whooping his ass. They were serving 901 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 2: or they were serving them all kinds of pieces. 902 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 4: Bro. 903 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 2: The dudes was punching them, killing them. Little kids was 904 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 2: kicking them. Old lady, A couple old ladies had broomstick 905 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 2: and they were hitting them in slow motion with the broomstick. 906 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,280 Speaker 2: So I turned the drive and I asked my drive. 907 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 2: I say, say, man, what's going on? He said, I 908 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,280 Speaker 2: don't know. I find out. So he dropped us off 909 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 2: and he went back to see what was up. He 910 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 2: comes back and he said, yeah, that guy beat up 911 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,280 Speaker 2: his girlfriend, and so they beat him up. The whole 912 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 2: neighborhood whooped his ass. They don't play that in Houston 913 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 2: and America. We see something. Mind your own bitiness, your 914 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 2: own bitness. And that's why our women and children are. 915 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,800 Speaker 3: Unsafe right because possible. 916 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 2: That's why our boys are walking around at thirteen years old, 917 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 2: ten years old with guns in their waistband. Because the 918 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 2: people that are in this country and the people, even 919 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 2: in their neighborhoods, instead of the men in the neighborhoods 920 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 2: protecting the neighborhood and keeping them safe. They look at 921 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 2: the boys as competition, right, you know, they're trying to 922 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 2: high at you fifteen years old. You got a grown 923 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 2: man twenty thirty some years old trying to get at 924 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 2: the same girl you're trying to get at. So they 925 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,720 Speaker 2: see you as competition. And in many cases, the women 926 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,439 Speaker 2: see the girls, the younger girls, as competition, right, right, right. 927 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 2: But I surmised that the reason, the fundamental reason is values. Brother, 928 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 2: It comes down to values. At one point, I was 929 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 2: a source of a lot of the pain in my community. 930 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 2: You know, I was very violent, and so I made 931 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 2: I contributed to some of. 932 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 3: That, right right. 933 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 2: It wasn't until I learned to love myself that I 934 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 2: learned to love of other people. And I said, you 935 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 2: know what, that ain't right now. I started actually taking 936 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,840 Speaker 2: up for people, and I became a protector, you know, 937 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,360 Speaker 2: instead of an agitator, you know, instead of provocator, I 938 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,000 Speaker 2: became a protector. And once I did that, I decided, 939 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,800 Speaker 2: ain't nobody coming in this neighborhood and bullying nobody and 940 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 2: nobody pushing nobody around. You ain't coming to beat up 941 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 2: nobody right this neighborhood. And once I put my foot down, 942 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 2: the other guys around me did the same thing and 943 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,360 Speaker 2: it was peace. And so the men, it really starts 944 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 2: with the men. They got to step up because the 945 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,399 Speaker 2: men are the ones who are and the boys are 946 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 2: really the ones who are doing all the killing. So 947 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,400 Speaker 2: everybody like to talk about leadership. I'm a leader, I'm 948 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 2: a man, I'm this whatever, right, But. 949 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 5: You're right, yeah, I totally get it. And see that's 950 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 5: why me and and everybody around us we realized how 951 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 5: much influence film and television has on a lot of 952 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 5: this music, all of that. It has a huge influence. 953 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 5: Like look at you know what's going on with Jomrad. 954 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 3: You can't. 955 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,399 Speaker 5: I mean, I mean he's a young guy twenty three 956 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,319 Speaker 5: years old, which you can't tell me that that influence 957 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,760 Speaker 5: ain't coming from TV and film and the music. 958 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 3: And because you're not living that way. 959 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 5: It's it's just but it's the culture putting so much 960 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,359 Speaker 5: pressure on people that the first thing you do when 961 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 5: you get money is try to go and get some 962 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 5: holes and try to do this in the holes like 963 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 5: I want a real nigga. I want a nigga do 964 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 5: this and do that, and do this and do that, 965 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 5: and you're like, well shit, nigga g herbo out the hood. 966 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Let me so I won't 967 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,840 Speaker 5: be flying were a push heisty mass too. And I'm 968 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 5: but that ain't that ain't your life though, you know 969 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,640 Speaker 5: what I mean, because anybody who knows that life for 970 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 5: real ain't got nothing. They're not glorifying it at all. 971 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 5: They really just rapping by this so they can get 972 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,359 Speaker 5: some money and never got. 973 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:49,759 Speaker 3: To go back. 974 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 4: You know. 975 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 5: So I created a foundation called Dream Seeker that ultimately 976 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,880 Speaker 5: is a film education platform that's allowing people to you know, 977 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,360 Speaker 5: we training people in every department behind the camera. They 978 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 5: can come on set, get trained, work for union hours, 979 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,400 Speaker 5: and pretty much gearing them to work anywhere in the world. 980 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 5: We already got this projected to be a global situation 981 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 5: because a thing that's not happening is that we don't 982 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 5: have no direct contact with Africa for real. They not 983 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,920 Speaker 5: teaching Africans about slavery, so they looking at us, we 984 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,799 Speaker 5: looking at them. It ain't no unity and none of this, 985 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,440 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, and then when they do 986 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 5: show us Africa, it's motherfuckers with pot bellies and you 987 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 5: know what I mean, everybody starving, flies in their eyes. 988 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 5: They ain't got no shoes on their feet, whatever it 989 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 5: may be. And they ain't gonna tell you. Oh, some 990 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 5: of these people, it's convoying and race. You know, some 991 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 5: of these people got so much money that is crazy. 992 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,760 Speaker 5: It's all kind of billionaires and all kind of people 993 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 5: that we never even heard of. And they don't want 994 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,600 Speaker 5: to shed light on that because it'll start to give 995 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:57,239 Speaker 5: us this different picture of ourselves, you know what I mean, 996 00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,319 Speaker 5: And you know, just go way back, like they've been 997 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,799 Speaker 5: trying to break our mind since White Jesus, you know. 998 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:07,840 Speaker 5: But like I think, through all this chaos, like you said, 999 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,360 Speaker 5: where does the leadership start? So I know, okay, I 1000 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 5: got my little piece of film television. All right, let's 1001 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 5: do it like this, and we can make movies about 1002 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 5: whatever we want to make the movies about. But the 1003 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 5: education process and the jobs that we give people and 1004 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 5: all of these different things I believe will change something. 1005 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,520 Speaker 3: And I'm like, I might not even live to see that. 1006 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,879 Speaker 5: But if this go all the way around the world, 1007 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 5: I know, for sure, I ain't gonna leave it like 1008 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 5: I can. And I think if we have that mindset 1009 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 5: to not leave the world the same way we found it, 1010 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 5: and we're starting with ourself, it's gonna be a beautiful place, 1011 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,880 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, because it ain't about us 1012 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,600 Speaker 5: being divided. Like I don't want to live in the 1013 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,000 Speaker 5: world with just black folks, you know what I mean. 1014 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,319 Speaker 5: I don't even want to live my life like that. So, 1015 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,040 Speaker 5: you know, like you said, like when we get to 1016 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 5: the point where we could just start loving on ourselves 1017 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,520 Speaker 5: a little bit more, you know, you could love on 1018 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 5: your kids better, you could love on your family a 1019 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 5: little bit better. You could love what you do, you know, 1020 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,200 Speaker 5: because we're all wired to love. And you know, on 1021 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 5: the other end of that, it's the hate, that's that's 1022 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,160 Speaker 5: what you know, And people end up hating because they 1023 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,359 Speaker 5: want to be loved, you know what I'm saying. So 1024 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,080 Speaker 5: it's it's it's interesting, man, But I think that I'm 1025 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 5: very optimistic about the situation, to say the least, you know, 1026 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 5: because I feel like, if if you're close to me, 1027 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,880 Speaker 5: I know I could have a little love for you 1028 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,960 Speaker 5: at least, you know what I mean, And it just 1029 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,000 Speaker 5: have to start there. 1030 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:34,319 Speaker 4: You know. 1031 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 5: I hope I'm radiant, and I hope that people like 1032 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,320 Speaker 5: when they see me, they see God in me. They like, damn, 1033 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,320 Speaker 5: that's what's up, you know what I mean? And it's 1034 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 5: you know, a lot of us ain't got no guidance. 1035 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,400 Speaker 5: But it take a village, you know. It takes people 1036 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 5: like yourself for me to get around people and be like, 1037 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 5: you know what, this is a good thing, you know, 1038 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,120 Speaker 5: because I feel like it's such a it's such a 1039 00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 5: block between young people in the older generation, you know. 1040 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,840 Speaker 3: Like I was talking to you about my grandfather. 1041 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,399 Speaker 5: Him and I used to get into it a lot 1042 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 5: because he used to always want to pay his bills 1043 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 5: in the envelope that it come in and fill out 1044 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 5: the paper, and I'm like, you know, it's the twentieth century, 1045 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 5: Like people don't you don't have to do it this way? 1046 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,520 Speaker 5: No more, like why do you want to do it 1047 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 5: like this? He always used to be peeking over my shoulder. 1048 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, and I. 1049 00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 3: Would get agitated by it because. 1050 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,120 Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, I'm trying to do something else. You 1051 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,040 Speaker 5: want me to come phill these bills out? But I 1052 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:33,799 Speaker 5: didn't know until maybe six or seven years ago that 1053 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,240 Speaker 5: the only thing that my grandfather knows how to write 1054 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 5: is his name, and he could write it in cursive, 1055 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,880 Speaker 5: so he hell a proud of it. That's all he 1056 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,280 Speaker 5: knew how to write. So he was always very impressed 1057 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,239 Speaker 5: with my penmanship. And you know what I mean, the 1058 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,720 Speaker 5: fruit of his labor. Look how it's turning out. Damn, 1059 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,600 Speaker 5: look what we're doing. And it would agitate me because 1060 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, but it was the block and 1061 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 5: he has so much pride that he was afraid to 1062 00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 5: tell me like, oh I can't write this. This is 1063 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,480 Speaker 5: why I need you to do it, like you know. 1064 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,520 Speaker 5: So I feel like we need to listen to each other, 1065 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,400 Speaker 5: young generation, old generation, whatever it may be, you know, 1066 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 5: And like you said, like we've we've all had our 1067 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 5: our slip ups, you know, and been part of the 1068 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,200 Speaker 5: bullshit in our communities. You know, so we got to 1069 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,640 Speaker 5: step up and start doing something great, you know what 1070 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,560 Speaker 5: I mean, and show people that you can change and 1071 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,160 Speaker 5: that we can change this world if we change ourselves. 1072 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was profound, It was you know. 1073 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 4: You know. 1074 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,600 Speaker 2: The trip part about it is that a lot of 1075 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,200 Speaker 2: the answers are in those characters that you've played. I'm 1076 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,759 Speaker 2: telling you, man, thank you. You have done a remarkable 1077 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,920 Speaker 2: job at at picking good characters. 1078 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:49,239 Speaker 4: Thank you, Little boys. Reloaded podcasts will be right back after. 1079 00:54:48,960 --> 00:55:04,680 Speaker 2: The spots, going back to the easy movie movie Straight 1080 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:10,359 Speaker 2: out of Compton and where you played uh easy when 1081 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:15,359 Speaker 2: when they told you that, uh did you have did 1082 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,120 Speaker 2: did you have to take any type of special uh 1083 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,719 Speaker 2: courses or whatever to find out, you know, uh, how 1084 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 2: an age patient would respond to the treatment or to 1085 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,200 Speaker 2: the news that they had gotten age. Did you have 1086 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,719 Speaker 2: to go around any type of clinics or anything like that. 1087 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,080 Speaker 5: No, No, I just thought of it like because I 1088 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 5: had an uncle that died from age, right, And I 1089 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 5: I got my own conspiracy thoughts on that too, because 1090 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,240 Speaker 5: I ain't gonna lie. He was healthy as an ox, 1091 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,840 Speaker 5: but he was a gay man, right, and when everybody 1092 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,520 Speaker 5: was getting tested and people was finding out and all 1093 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,279 Speaker 5: of this kind of stuff, like the whole family suggested 1094 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,839 Speaker 5: that he go get tested because they knew he was gay. 1095 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,640 Speaker 3: Lo and behold, he got AIDS. 1096 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,400 Speaker 5: Four months later, he dies, but he paid like eighty 1097 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,400 Speaker 5: thousand or something crazy number for the medicine. So you know, 1098 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,919 Speaker 5: it was like to me, it was it came through 1099 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,920 Speaker 5: and just swept a lot of people. But I personally 1100 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,800 Speaker 5: feel like it came from the medicine, right, So aside 1101 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,040 Speaker 5: from that, I'm looking at easy situation like he went 1102 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,680 Speaker 5: to the hospital and never left, you know what I'm. 1103 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 3: Saying, Like he went in, they never leave. So the 1104 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,640 Speaker 3: shock to him was more like, no, I'm you know, 1105 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,000 Speaker 3: I ain't gay? What you mean I got aids? 1106 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 5: Like that's for gay people because that's what the media 1107 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,279 Speaker 5: is saying. And then they're like, no, well your T 1108 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:43,120 Speaker 5: sale account is thirteen sir. You know you got a 1109 00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,440 Speaker 5: few days. You about to get out of here that 1110 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:51,239 Speaker 5: whole like, cause, I mean, we don't survived shoot out, 1111 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,680 Speaker 5: so we didn't survive this and that it survived the 1112 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,799 Speaker 5: police all of that, and I'm about to die from 1113 00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:00,520 Speaker 5: a sickness? Are you kidding me? Like I know his 1114 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,799 Speaker 5: heart was broke, you know what I mean? Because he never, ever, 1115 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,680 Speaker 5: I don't think, wanted He wanted the best for Qube. 1116 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,440 Speaker 5: He wanted the best for Dre, wanted the best for 1117 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,840 Speaker 5: Yellow Wren, even Jerry Helen. He wanted the best for 1118 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,640 Speaker 5: people like he had a good heart about himself. He 1119 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,240 Speaker 5: gave each of his kids twenty thousand dollars a month. 1120 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 5: You know, he was taking care of what he had 1121 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,000 Speaker 5: to take care of. 1122 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 2: He gave each one of his kids twenty RECs a month. 1123 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:26,240 Speaker 3: Twenty bands. 1124 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,280 Speaker 2: Ain't your cue that money? C was asking about you 1125 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:30,400 Speaker 2: want some money man? 1126 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,880 Speaker 3: Well, you know, Cuban wrote a lot of that music. 1127 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,200 Speaker 2: Man you wanted that money? 1128 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 3: Well, you know. 1129 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:41,520 Speaker 5: But to be honest, I think Easy was also afraid 1130 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,440 Speaker 5: to uh. I mean, he know that there was things 1131 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,440 Speaker 5: that that Jerry could do that he couldn't. You know, 1132 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,439 Speaker 5: Like when they went to go visit the White House, 1133 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,720 Speaker 5: they made us take that out the movie. It was 1134 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,080 Speaker 5: in the original script. They made us take that out 1135 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 5: the movie. And it wasn't even that's a simple shot 1136 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 5: to say, hey, you know, we just got off the 1137 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,040 Speaker 5: airplane or whatever and we and they just simply turned 1138 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,880 Speaker 5: us back around and say, now get your lass back 1139 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,960 Speaker 5: on there. That's all they needed to put in the 1140 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,240 Speaker 5: movie to let us know that it happened, you know. 1141 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,880 Speaker 5: But they was like, no, check it out. I believe 1142 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,760 Speaker 5: Universal wanted us to take it out. But f Gary Gray, 1143 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,400 Speaker 5: he's so smart, you know that. Like at the end 1144 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,880 Speaker 5: of the film, that's why Cube says to Easy, how 1145 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,400 Speaker 5: you go from selling rocks in the Dope House to 1146 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,920 Speaker 5: eating dinner with the president in the White House and 1147 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,840 Speaker 5: he you know. Easy responds by saying, they still trying 1148 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,520 Speaker 5: to figure that out because that was the truth. All 1149 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,960 Speaker 5: they knew was Eric Lynn Wright donated X amount of 1150 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,480 Speaker 5: dollars to the state of California. He should be a Republican. 1151 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,880 Speaker 5: They didn't think he was going to show up and 1152 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 5: be the same nigga from the police. 1153 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,000 Speaker 3: It was like, hell no, they turned him around, you 1154 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 3: know what I mean? But yeah, that's the truth. 1155 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,959 Speaker 5: And they didn't want to see it, like they didn't 1156 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,840 Speaker 5: want us to be that powerful, you know, like when 1157 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,200 Speaker 5: you look at it, they knocked off him, Biggie and 1158 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,960 Speaker 5: Pop in a very short amount of time. If you 1159 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,920 Speaker 5: go from the first that to the last, it's like, 1160 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,040 Speaker 5: I don't even think it's two four years. 1161 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,200 Speaker 2: Who was in office when Easy went to the to 1162 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,320 Speaker 2: the to the White House? 1163 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,120 Speaker 3: Mm? Is it Reagan? I do who was it? 1164 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,520 Speaker 2: See? I think that I think I don't even I 1165 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,840 Speaker 2: don't even think Easy went to the White House. 1166 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,640 Speaker 5: Uh, he was the presidential luncheon that they were supposed 1167 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,440 Speaker 5: to be, So whatever it was, it might have been 1168 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:31,000 Speaker 5: Big Bush. 1169 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,280 Speaker 2: Whatever he went to uh was supposed to go to 1170 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,160 Speaker 2: I think easy went there like justice to give him 1171 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,400 Speaker 2: a big middle finger. 1172 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,400 Speaker 5: Like absolutely, that's what it was always was. 1173 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,080 Speaker 3: And yeah, he wasn't trying to go toga. 1174 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,439 Speaker 2: Like I can just see that letter when he got 1175 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:59,400 Speaker 2: the letter, you know what, and somebody probably was one 1176 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,000 Speaker 2: of the secretary something probably has probably read the letter 1177 01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,440 Speaker 2: and say they want you to and he was like, 1178 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:04,960 Speaker 2: what what you're gonna do? 1179 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,640 Speaker 5: I'm going right, I'm head, I'm headed, you know, because 1180 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,240 Speaker 5: they probably had no idea who Eric Lynn Wright was. 1181 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,720 Speaker 5: They definitely didn't put that together and think it was easy. 1182 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,560 Speaker 2: You know. You know, Eric, you were a very smart guy, right, 1183 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,800 Speaker 2: but man, I think you overplayed your hand by not 1184 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,320 Speaker 2: paying Cube and Drake. I mean, you overplayed your hand. 1185 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,480 Speaker 3: He definitely, I think he definitely did that bad. He 1186 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:34,360 Speaker 3: definitely did that bad. 1187 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,040 Speaker 2: You got the guy, you got your most prolific writer 1188 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,120 Speaker 2: in the group, and you got your beat maker. If 1189 01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,640 Speaker 2: you got your guy who's making the music, you gotta 1190 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,240 Speaker 2: take care of those guys. You got to make them happy. 1191 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,720 Speaker 2: They gotta be happy. Absolutely, it seemed like that they 1192 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,400 Speaker 2: were asking for anything unreasonable. 1193 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,760 Speaker 5: No, I mean I think at the end of the 1194 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,680 Speaker 5: day he he was so stuck on what Jerry Heller 1195 01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,840 Speaker 5: was telling him and trusting in that situation so much 1196 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,880 Speaker 5: that between everything that's going on in his life, he 1197 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,919 Speaker 5: was just so blinded to it. I think he after 1198 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 5: a while just put on blinders and was like, Jerry 1199 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,360 Speaker 5: got it. I don't want to talk to you all 1200 01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,720 Speaker 5: about the money because I mean, it is what it is. 1201 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,880 Speaker 5: But you know, by that time, he was he was 1202 01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 5: on a rapid downfall, you know what I mean. Like 1203 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,240 Speaker 5: Jerry really got all of the asks, you know what 1204 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,400 Speaker 5: I mean, like they easy was an exempt from the situation. 1205 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,680 Speaker 5: Like he he definitely lost money too. And I think 1206 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,480 Speaker 5: if he would have just paid more attention to the 1207 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:39,760 Speaker 5: situation in its entirety, you know, because he really didn't 1208 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,560 Speaker 5: believe that they couldn't do it without Jerry, and Dre 1209 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,920 Speaker 5: was preaching that to him the whole time, you know. 1210 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,360 Speaker 5: But I mean we see where Dre at now billionaih, 1211 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,520 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, We see where a cube 1212 01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,920 Speaker 5: at now like leading it, you. 1213 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:53,439 Speaker 3: Know what I mean. 1214 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:58,120 Speaker 5: So it's I don't know, man, you know, it's it 1215 01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,440 Speaker 5: was sad to watch. It was sad to watch, but 1216 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,160 Speaker 5: you know, I am glad that I got to humanize 1217 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:08,200 Speaker 5: him in a way that didn't tarnish the legacy or brother. 1218 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 2: You killed that role. If you was made for that role, 1219 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,400 Speaker 2: I think you killed it. I mean, not talking about 1220 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,040 Speaker 2: it out the park. You said a distant record with 1221 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:24,320 Speaker 2: that ship. Hey man, I'm glad I was not there 1222 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:31,480 Speaker 2: trying to audition. Stopped playing, man, stop playing. They would 1223 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:36,640 Speaker 2: have called me back. I'm like Jason Road, I mean, 1224 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,959 Speaker 2: you knocked that thing out. The part is that any 1225 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,000 Speaker 2: role that they could ask of you that you would 1226 01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,040 Speaker 2: not play, you absolutely would just say no, I'm not 1227 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,200 Speaker 2: playing that type of character. 1228 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,560 Speaker 5: I'm not homophobic at all, don't have no homophobic bones 1229 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,240 Speaker 5: in my body, but I just I don't. I don't 1230 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:02,440 Speaker 5: want to play any of these rolls, you know that, 1231 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,320 Speaker 5: you know. I mean I feel like they got they 1232 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,120 Speaker 5: got gay people out here that act, they got transgenders 1233 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,360 Speaker 5: out here that act, and they could portray those stories 1234 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,040 Speaker 5: very well, you know, and they fit in that box 1235 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,240 Speaker 5: very well. So you know, I could sort of leave 1236 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:22,080 Speaker 5: that for them. That and maybe like I'm not too 1237 01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,960 Speaker 5: big on the woman nos this either, I don't really 1238 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,919 Speaker 5: want to play that, you know, maybe a hot boy, 1239 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,040 Speaker 5: but like as far as like on some Ike Turner 1240 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,960 Speaker 5: type shit like nah, you know what I mean, Like 1241 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,400 Speaker 5: they still got people who be looking at Blair Underwood 1242 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,120 Speaker 5: like I don't like his ass, but he you know, 1243 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,280 Speaker 5: he probably don't beat his wife at home, but people 1244 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,720 Speaker 5: just look at it like, you know what I mean, 1245 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,120 Speaker 5: Lawrence Fishburn had to shake that, you know what I'm saying, 1246 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,000 Speaker 5: because for a long time people just looking at him 1247 01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,280 Speaker 5: like I don't like his motherfucking ass, you know. So 1248 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,640 Speaker 5: it's just like when you see Hannibal. Like when I 1249 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,120 Speaker 5: first met Anthony Hopkins in real life, he was That 1250 01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,200 Speaker 5: was the first time I ever froze when I was 1251 01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 5: like meeting a star because I'm I always I'll give 1252 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,160 Speaker 5: myself enough to like, you know, you got some people 1253 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,600 Speaker 5: you meet them and you're like, damn, I just been 1254 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,480 Speaker 5: a huge fan my whole life or whatever. But as 1255 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,520 Speaker 5: far as like being struck or you do some stupid 1256 01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,720 Speaker 5: shit like that only happened to me when I met 1257 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,800 Speaker 5: him and the dude who played Candy Man, and they 1258 01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,400 Speaker 5: don't even know about it because I ain't speak to him. 1259 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,000 Speaker 5: I feel like the dude who playing Candy Man fucked 1260 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,960 Speaker 5: up my whole childhood, Like he don't even know, like 1261 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,960 Speaker 5: you know, but I seen him and stop, like you know, 1262 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,520 Speaker 5: and I kind of let them go their own way 1263 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 5: because I'm like, damn, But you know, it's powerful being 1264 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,480 Speaker 5: an actor, you know what I'm saying. You never know 1265 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,520 Speaker 5: how you affecting people lives. So you know, they got 1266 01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,520 Speaker 5: a couple of things that I wouldn't like to do. 1267 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,000 Speaker 5: But I personally feel like, you know, because I had 1268 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,400 Speaker 5: a bud all of these tattoos before I started acting, 1269 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,640 Speaker 5: So in my mind, I always thought I was gonna 1270 01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,280 Speaker 5: get pigeonholed, you know, or be type cast as the 1271 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,919 Speaker 5: guy with the tattoos stuck number three and shit right. 1272 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:59,600 Speaker 5: So I always would press this this issue that I 1273 01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,640 Speaker 5: needed to show different faces at Jason Mitchell every time. 1274 01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:06,640 Speaker 5: I need to do something completely different, Like they called 1275 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,560 Speaker 5: me to be easy in every other movie that had 1276 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,520 Speaker 5: a glimpse of easy e in it, Like, bro. 1277 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 3: No, you know what I mean, I'm not doing that 1278 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:16,520 Speaker 3: no more. I play easy. 1279 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,400 Speaker 5: That's fine, Like you're not gonna get me to be 1280 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,480 Speaker 5: easy in nine more movies, Like we could do this 1281 01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:25,800 Speaker 5: as a series and you know, we can keep going 1282 01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,600 Speaker 5: and then what you know what I mean? People be 1283 01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,600 Speaker 5: like went straight out of Compton too, come out Nigga. 1284 01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,440 Speaker 5: Hopefully never I died in the first one, you know 1285 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:31,880 Speaker 5: what I mean? 1286 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,560 Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, you know. So, I just I never wanted to. 1287 01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:38,920 Speaker 5: Let that be the thing that held me back, you 1288 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,560 Speaker 5: know what I mean, because I definitely don't look at 1289 01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,160 Speaker 5: none of my tattoos as a mistake. 1290 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:48,480 Speaker 3: I don't feel like I would take it back. I 1291 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:49,240 Speaker 3: feel like it's. 1292 01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,600 Speaker 5: Part of my individuality and who I am as a person, 1293 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,120 Speaker 5: you know. So it's good to know that it ain't 1294 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,680 Speaker 5: holding me back, But it's it's always kind of like 1295 01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,880 Speaker 5: in the back of my mind, like can you really 1296 01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,600 Speaker 5: that show me? 1297 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:02,320 Speaker 4: You know? 1298 01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,920 Speaker 5: And I just I'm always in this battle with myself, 1299 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,560 Speaker 5: Like I feel like it's just me against me. You know, 1300 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,200 Speaker 5: if you stand in front of the goal, I'm gonna 1301 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,680 Speaker 5: dunk on your ass. I'm definitely the little bron of 1302 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,040 Speaker 5: this ship. I feel like they got actors out here 1303 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,600 Speaker 5: that had opportunities to work with me and don't because 1304 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,880 Speaker 5: they know I'm gonna go up on their ass, you 1305 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,080 Speaker 5: know what I mean. It just is what it is like, 1306 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,440 Speaker 5: and I love this craft. It is what it is, 1307 01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,640 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, But like it's it's just 1308 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,720 Speaker 5: like you know, you see Lebron and Steph Curry got 1309 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,520 Speaker 5: this love for each other, you know, but like on 1310 01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,360 Speaker 5: the court, ain't no love, you know what I'm saying, 1311 01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,520 Speaker 5: Like I'm not gonna disrespect you or do nothing like that. 1312 01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,520 Speaker 5: But I'm here to win. And that's how I feel 1313 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,480 Speaker 5: when it comes to my craft, Like I'm here to win. 1314 01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,080 Speaker 5: You stand in front of the goal, prepare to get 1315 01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,880 Speaker 5: dunk though Vince Carter style, going with my arm and 1316 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,040 Speaker 5: all of that in the rim, you know what I mean, 1317 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:51,919 Speaker 5: I'm gonna highlight posted your ass. 1318 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,720 Speaker 2: I believe I'm ready for it. With your relationship, like 1319 01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:56,200 Speaker 2: with lean. 1320 01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,360 Speaker 3: Await, mainly not cool, mainly not cool. 1321 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:04,600 Speaker 5: We like when I first met Leani, I met her 1322 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:09,120 Speaker 5: at a SAG event and they had a stepping repeat right, 1323 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,360 Speaker 5: and she had on like this fly ass suit and 1324 01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,600 Speaker 5: I actually asked to take a picture with her because 1325 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,120 Speaker 5: I just thought she was fly as hell. 1326 01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:17,360 Speaker 3: You know, I ain't know who she was. 1327 01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,200 Speaker 5: And she was like, you know, I'm a writer, you know, 1328 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,160 Speaker 5: I've I've done a couple of things, but like, I 1329 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,640 Speaker 5: really want to work. 1330 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:24,200 Speaker 3: With you one day. 1331 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:25,880 Speaker 5: And I was like, let's touch and agree on it 1332 01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,960 Speaker 5: right now, Like all my friends that tell you like 1333 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,000 Speaker 5: I pray in a minute, like I'm all about it, 1334 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,520 Speaker 5: you know. So we literally stopped on the on the 1335 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,160 Speaker 5: on the step and repeat and prayed, you know, and 1336 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:42,440 Speaker 5: uh then I ended up getting this offer come in 1337 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,400 Speaker 5: saying hey, yeah for the shot, and I was just like, damn, 1338 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,680 Speaker 5: we really spoke that shit into existence. So by us 1339 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:53,840 Speaker 5: having that that introduction, and you know, by us adding 1340 01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,160 Speaker 5: God into the into the mix early on, I don't 1341 01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,760 Speaker 5: feel like nothing could really break that, you know what 1342 01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,120 Speaker 5: I mean. I mean it was like, you know, when 1343 01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,600 Speaker 5: the whole little situation happened and shit kind of came 1344 01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,040 Speaker 5: rolling down on me or whatever, I understood why she 1345 01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,600 Speaker 5: got out the way, because you got the whole brand 1346 01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,400 Speaker 5: to protect, you got the whole show to protect. 1347 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,880 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I just I took a 1348 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,200 Speaker 3: bullet and it was what it was. 1349 01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,960 Speaker 2: Did she support you silently? I mean, well, let me 1350 01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,000 Speaker 2: put it like this. Did she support you privately? 1351 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely? She did, absolutely. 1352 01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,240 Speaker 5: But you know, to be honest, I wasn't really trying 1353 01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,000 Speaker 5: to hear that shit at the time, like you know, 1354 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,479 Speaker 5: cause I was I was like, why would you just 1355 01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,439 Speaker 5: flash out and be like I got to stand with 1356 01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,160 Speaker 5: the woman like you don't even know what the fuck 1357 01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,559 Speaker 5: happened yet, you know what I'm saying, she actually did that, 1358 01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,840 Speaker 5: I mean I think she did. I think at one 1359 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,400 Speaker 5: point in time she called the Breakfast Club and was like, 1360 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,680 Speaker 5: I never worked with Jason Mitchell again. But then she 1361 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,879 Speaker 5: retracted those words when she found out that the situation 1362 01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,599 Speaker 5: wasn't what she thought it was. But I just think 1363 01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,800 Speaker 5: that's some bullshit, Like you know what I mean, Like 1364 01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,800 Speaker 5: as much as you know somebody, you know, I feel like. 1365 01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,200 Speaker 3: I feel like people who really know me, when when. 1366 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,439 Speaker 5: They hear shit in the media, they'll be like, uh, 1367 01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,639 Speaker 5: that's not really him, you know what I mean. 1368 01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:08,519 Speaker 3: And I feel like. 1369 01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,040 Speaker 5: She was one of the people who could have spoke 1370 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:13,400 Speaker 5: up and said something that could. 1371 01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,240 Speaker 3: Have changed the situation. But yeah, yeah, exactly. 1372 01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,960 Speaker 5: But I also realized that, you know, if she did 1373 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,959 Speaker 5: stand behind me, and you know, I did do some bullshit, 1374 01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,960 Speaker 5: it could have been bad for both of us, you 1375 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,000 Speaker 5: know what I mean. I understand that too, So you 1376 01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,120 Speaker 5: know that's I don't I don't. I don't judge nobody 1377 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,880 Speaker 5: for their situation, you know what I mean. And you 1378 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,800 Speaker 5: never know what people are gonna do under pressure. I mean, 1379 01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,439 Speaker 5: nigga snitch every day, you know what I'm saying, So 1380 01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:40,719 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't be judging people. 1381 01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:41,479 Speaker 3: I really don't. 1382 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,080 Speaker 2: I tell you this, Bro, one of the quickest ways 1383 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,120 Speaker 2: to find out who for you is to go through 1384 01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,200 Speaker 2: some heavy ship. Oh yeah, for sure, go through something. 1385 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,120 Speaker 2: For sure, do something, and I'm gonna tell you know. 1386 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,760 Speaker 2: Like when I when I had my situation with the thied, Bro, 1387 01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,320 Speaker 2: it was one of them situations that if you could 1388 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,400 Speaker 2: talk to God and you'd be like, say, God, no, 1389 01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,160 Speaker 2: you ain't got to do all that to God. Like, nah, 1390 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit you down for a while. Bro, you 1391 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,880 Speaker 2: kind of moving a little bit too fast. I would 1392 01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,400 Speaker 2: have been like, now you ain't really got too many 1393 01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:17,760 Speaker 2: I'm talking to you right now. I'm gonna sit you 1394 01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,880 Speaker 2: down for a minute. But I'm gonna tell you something, Bro. 1395 01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,080 Speaker 2: It was a blessing in disguise. It's not something I 1396 01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,880 Speaker 2: would have wished for, but it was a blessing in 1397 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:32,640 Speaker 2: disguise because when I say them niggas was dropping like 1398 01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:38,720 Speaker 2: flies all around me. When I say they were scatting, 1399 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:44,120 Speaker 2: and it tightened my circle. It's strengthen it. My circle 1400 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:48,439 Speaker 2: became so strong only the real was around me, and 1401 01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,320 Speaker 2: it stood out clearly. Including when I say the real, 1402 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,400 Speaker 2: I mean even the women in my circle. The women 1403 01:10:55,479 --> 01:11:00,519 Speaker 2: got tight, super tight. The women in my circle. Shit, 1404 01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,639 Speaker 2: I take I go to wat any day. I'll pick 1405 01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:04,640 Speaker 2: them over some some of these dudes out here in 1406 01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,240 Speaker 2: a day because they sold as I mean, they like 1407 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,400 Speaker 2: all the way, like oh they crying, they't going crazy, egg, well, 1408 01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:11,400 Speaker 2: we gotta do something. 1409 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,320 Speaker 6: They want a twin power activate like we gonna It 1410 01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,360 Speaker 6: was like that. They were like that, I respect us 1411 01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,120 Speaker 6: so much and you want. 1412 01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,920 Speaker 2: To you want to know. It's not something that you wish, 1413 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,759 Speaker 2: but if you know, if you gotta go through something, 1414 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,719 Speaker 2: if you're going through it, that's when you're gonna really 1415 01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:29,200 Speaker 2: really know. 1416 01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,160 Speaker 5: Bro, absolutely absolutely, like because you know, we were just 1417 01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:33,479 Speaker 5: talking about your quavers, like. 1418 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:39,120 Speaker 3: Listen. He helped me really start. 1419 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,840 Speaker 5: To look at myself for who I was, because I've 1420 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:42,600 Speaker 5: always been me. 1421 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,840 Speaker 3: You understand, I'm with myself every day. 1422 01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,480 Speaker 5: I'm not going home and saying nigga, you a superstar, 1423 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,799 Speaker 5: nigga you this you that I'm just Jason. 1424 01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:52,720 Speaker 3: That's it. 1425 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,400 Speaker 5: I'm just Jason, Bro, and I don't everybody know. I 1426 01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,960 Speaker 5: come with a very humble energy. I got a humble spirit, 1427 01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,880 Speaker 5: and just because I fucked around and did something great, 1428 01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,080 Speaker 5: I don't think that makes me no better than the 1429 01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:11,559 Speaker 5: next person, right, So it was hard for me to 1430 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,479 Speaker 5: really start looking at it. He was like, Bro, when 1431 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,360 Speaker 5: the last time you seen somebody on the street and 1432 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,920 Speaker 5: they said, when you see showtime, tell them tell them 1433 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,920 Speaker 5: we love we appreciate them for putting you on that show. 1434 01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,240 Speaker 5: Anybody ever stopped you and said, hey, man, tell you 1435 01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:30,559 Speaker 5: universal that we appreciate them for letting you play easy 1436 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:31,280 Speaker 5: And You're like. 1437 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:37,040 Speaker 3: Nah, nigga, they love you. Invest in yourself. You ain't 1438 01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:38,880 Speaker 3: doing shit but making somebody else rich. 1439 01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,639 Speaker 5: Even if you is getting a little a little bag, 1440 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,120 Speaker 5: it could be a whole different type of bag. If 1441 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,040 Speaker 5: you say, fuck it, I'm a bet on me, you 1442 01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:48,920 Speaker 5: know what I mean. But when I did that, a 1443 01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,479 Speaker 5: lot of people because the handouts stopped, because a lot 1444 01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,200 Speaker 5: of motherfuckers call me and give me a sad story. 1445 01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,920 Speaker 5: Say brother, look man, I'm going through and I'll shoot 1446 01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,760 Speaker 5: you something. You come stay at the crib. You know 1447 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,000 Speaker 5: a lot of motherfuckers. They know they know I ain't lying, 1448 01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:06,479 Speaker 5: They know I done held so many people down. But 1449 01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,599 Speaker 5: as soon as I said, ah, I can't do that, 1450 01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,560 Speaker 5: or I was going through some shit. You know, motherfuckers, 1451 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,880 Speaker 5: if the phone stopped ringing as much, you think you 1452 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,439 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, and I really I'm talking about 1453 01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:22,320 Speaker 5: my circle that went to a dot. Family members then 1454 01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,880 Speaker 5: dropped out it and everything, and it just is what 1455 01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,800 Speaker 5: it is, because I feel like, you know, if I 1456 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,880 Speaker 5: ain't got nothing else, I got guard and God is 1457 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,759 Speaker 5: gonna direct me to the right people at all times. 1458 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,320 Speaker 5: And the people who really really love me gonna be 1459 01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,400 Speaker 5: one hundred percent down with that walk that I'm on. 1460 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:39,559 Speaker 3: Period. 1461 01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,600 Speaker 5: And that's just it. That's the short and long of it. 1462 01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,240 Speaker 5: It ain't no miraculous, glamorous story. Now, either you gonna 1463 01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,599 Speaker 5: love me and you're gonna be here through the entire thing, 1464 01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,040 Speaker 5: or it's gonna be over, you know what I mean. 1465 01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,639 Speaker 5: Jamie Fox, you know, blessings to him, you know what 1466 01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,880 Speaker 5: I mean, because he was one of them people like 1467 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:57,120 Speaker 5: I went through some shit. 1468 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,439 Speaker 3: He was like, man, come to the house, let me 1469 01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,560 Speaker 3: talk to you. Shit you down and talk to you. 1470 01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,439 Speaker 3: You know, really shoot some shit. 1471 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:09,280 Speaker 5: If you ever really need something, brother, I got you. 1472 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,040 Speaker 5: You know, they got very few people in the world 1473 01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,200 Speaker 5: who liked that dog like when things was going great 1474 01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,320 Speaker 5: I'm talking about it wasn't a movie star in the 1475 01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,559 Speaker 5: business that didn't want to work with me, or that 1476 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,519 Speaker 5: I couldn't call personally. I could literally call my agent 1477 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,000 Speaker 5: and be like, I need such and such a number. 1478 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:26,920 Speaker 5: They texting it to me in the next five minutes. 1479 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,360 Speaker 5: And I remember I was in Vietnam. Russell Simmons called 1480 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,360 Speaker 5: my phone. They was like, can you hold for Russell Simmons. 1481 01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,800 Speaker 5: I was like, I ain't never had nobody call my 1482 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,880 Speaker 5: phone and put me on hold immediately, you know what 1483 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,400 Speaker 5: I mean. But this was the type of shit that 1484 01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,280 Speaker 5: was happening. You think when I went through the bullshit, 1485 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,439 Speaker 5: these people was calling my phone. Hell no, you know. 1486 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,880 Speaker 5: But now I just feel different because I'm like, you 1487 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,720 Speaker 5: know what, if nothing else, I know, I got a 1488 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:53,880 Speaker 5: direct pipeline to the fans, and you know, I acting 1489 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,800 Speaker 5: as my happy place. So if I could make movies 1490 01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,040 Speaker 5: to the day I die, That's what I'm gonna do. 1491 01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,519 Speaker 5: And if the fans continue to watch my ship, that's 1492 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,720 Speaker 5: gonna be great. But I know for a fact, and 1493 01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,479 Speaker 5: nobody else got to give me another opportunity in the world. 1494 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:08,240 Speaker 5: Don't get me wrong, I would love it. I would 1495 01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,240 Speaker 5: love to be in a Marvel movie. I would love 1496 01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,439 Speaker 5: to be a superhero. But if them opportunities never roll 1497 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,800 Speaker 5: back around, my bag is still gonna look the same 1498 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:16,479 Speaker 5: as theirs. 1499 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,599 Speaker 3: I believe that, you know, I believe that. 1500 01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,000 Speaker 2: That's that's why I am. See my my bounce back, 1501 01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,840 Speaker 2: you know, boy, my bounce back is very similar, bro, 1502 01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,560 Speaker 2: Like I just got one of those type of mentalities 1503 01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,479 Speaker 2: like I don't make it no matter what. So even 1504 01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,320 Speaker 2: if I got to do it all by myself, all along, 1505 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,799 Speaker 2: everybody dropped off, But it's beautiful to have some support, 1506 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,880 Speaker 2: even if it's a small circle. In fact, I actually 1507 01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,679 Speaker 2: prefer my smaller circle anyway, because that's less. Less birthday 1508 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:52,280 Speaker 2: parties I gotta go through gift you know, that's less 1509 01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,240 Speaker 2: less anniversaries. I got to a ten. You know, that's 1510 01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,479 Speaker 2: less people I gotta talk to taking up my time. 1511 01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,080 Speaker 2: You know, like, hey man, you know, like everything that 1512 01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,160 Speaker 2: I do, man, it's all quality. Like I'm dealing with 1513 01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:10,000 Speaker 2: quality people. Yeah, super tight circle, quality people, and I'm 1514 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,519 Speaker 2: cool with that. So blessing in disguise, man, And you 1515 01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,360 Speaker 2: know how it go, Bro, What don't kill us make 1516 01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:16,000 Speaker 2: us stronger? 1517 01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,080 Speaker 5: Facts, Facts and a lot of times, like you said, well, 1518 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:24,439 Speaker 5: be willing to hear that, you know, you be like, God. 1519 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,320 Speaker 3: You got it. You're like, yeah, I got you. 1520 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,360 Speaker 5: But you're gonna have to sit this one out, you know. 1521 01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,439 Speaker 5: And I feel like so blessed that I got to 1522 01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,720 Speaker 5: get close enough to the fire to really know that 1523 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,320 Speaker 5: it was hot, but not really get burned, you know 1524 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,879 Speaker 5: what I mean, Because I feel like a lot of times, 1525 01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:44,040 Speaker 5: you know, when you get to celebrity status, you got 1526 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:48,000 Speaker 5: to make sure that you're not self inflicting wounds, you know, 1527 01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:52,160 Speaker 5: and for whatever God has you know, set for me 1528 01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,320 Speaker 5: to do, because it's far from over, you know what 1529 01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,320 Speaker 5: I mean. I'm still a very young guy, and I 1530 01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,400 Speaker 5: feel like, you know, it's a lot that's gonna be 1531 01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,080 Speaker 5: on my path. But one thing I can't do is 1532 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,439 Speaker 5: put myself in the line of fire or self inflict pain. 1533 01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,160 Speaker 5: I just I can't do that. If I do that, 1534 01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,160 Speaker 5: I'm gonna lose off the rip. So he put that 1535 01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,400 Speaker 5: in front of my face, like, Okay, this is what happened. 1536 01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,599 Speaker 5: If you do some dumb shit and then the process 1537 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,920 Speaker 5: of that, all of these people who claiming they're your 1538 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:26,599 Speaker 5: friends and all of this shit. Look, we're gonna wipe 1539 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,120 Speaker 5: all of that situation out and then make it even 1540 01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:30,719 Speaker 5: better for you to feel secure. 1541 01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,439 Speaker 3: You're gonna go home with all of their secrets. 1542 01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,120 Speaker 5: So nobody gotta feel no kind of way about nothing, 1543 01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,000 Speaker 5: because I'm telling you, every time I get in front 1544 01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,360 Speaker 5: of a fucking microphone, I guarantee you they got people 1545 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,840 Speaker 5: who cringe like, oh God, this nigga, don't bring this up. 1546 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:46,960 Speaker 5: And I hope he don't say this, and I hope 1547 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,080 Speaker 5: he don't say that. But nah, I don't care. I 1548 01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,200 Speaker 5: don't care that you don't that you didn't stick up 1549 01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,840 Speaker 5: for me. I don't give a fuck about that. I'm 1550 01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,759 Speaker 5: just happy that you out the way and that that 1551 01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,560 Speaker 5: that's not gonna affect my life, and no negative ways, 1552 01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,559 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Because we could potentially be 1553 01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,200 Speaker 5: in a situation where this could it really fucked me up, 1554 01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,280 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Look at Young Thug. All 1555 01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,360 Speaker 5: these niggas never turned on the game. I would never snitch, 1556 01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:17,840 Speaker 5: and as soon as they get in there, it was him, 1557 01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,840 Speaker 5: DeAndre did it. You're on it, you know what I mean. 1558 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,240 Speaker 5: They doing it to each other and it's crazy, you 1559 01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,720 Speaker 5: know what I mean. And I'm talking about instantly, So 1560 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,759 Speaker 5: for me I just feel like I'm just so happy 1561 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,880 Speaker 5: that like the people that's around me love me as 1562 01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,200 Speaker 5: much as I love them. You know, if anything would 1563 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,080 Speaker 5: have happened to me, I feel safe with them being 1564 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:40,160 Speaker 5: around my daughters, and you know, I can't ask for 1565 01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,280 Speaker 5: much more, you know, more life. 1566 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, them boys over there and that young thug trial 1567 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:51,320 Speaker 2: pointed like the Jackson five, I don't got no. 1568 01:18:58,479 --> 01:18:59,639 Speaker 3: Fucked up man. 1569 01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:03,080 Speaker 5: I'm so sad for that dude, bro, because to be honest, man, 1570 01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:08,599 Speaker 5: like you know, I mean, I can't speak on their business. 1571 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,720 Speaker 5: I don't really know what really be going on, but 1572 01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,120 Speaker 5: I've always seen them be all about their business. That's 1573 01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,040 Speaker 5: what the whole world is englfed with rap music, you 1574 01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,080 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. They either on tour or in 1575 01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,240 Speaker 5: the studio, they're trying to do some shit with theirself. 1576 01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,200 Speaker 5: So you know, it's it's just fucked up, man, to 1577 01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:28,800 Speaker 5: see these these reco cases and these conspiracy shits that 1578 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,880 Speaker 5: be happening, and you know, just tearing down these things 1579 01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,720 Speaker 5: that get built. You know, when half of it don't 1580 01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,720 Speaker 5: even be like that. It'd be a bunch of handshakes 1581 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,040 Speaker 5: and DAPs and shit. These niggas made up and you 1582 01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,080 Speaker 5: know what I mean. And then you got somebody fucking 1583 01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,360 Speaker 5: off in the background who ruined it for everybody, and 1584 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,960 Speaker 5: it's just it's really sad to watch, man, it's really 1585 01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:47,000 Speaker 5: sad to watch. 1586 01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,360 Speaker 2: That there be a lesson boys and girls. You resemble 1587 01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:56,120 Speaker 2: who you assemble real top Absolutely, Jason Mitchell, you wanted 1588 01:19:56,120 --> 01:20:00,120 Speaker 2: the realists, bro. This has been a this is what 1589 01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:04,160 Speaker 2: what we would call on Halloween, a treat. 1590 01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,280 Speaker 3: I heard that it has been a treat. I heard that. 1591 01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:08,120 Speaker 3: I appreciate you. 1592 01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,760 Speaker 2: Coming on the podcast, And is there anything that you 1593 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:11,960 Speaker 2: want to leave with the audience. 1594 01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:17,200 Speaker 5: First and foremost, everything is both June second, Apple TV. 1595 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,000 Speaker 5: If you ain't got Apple TV, you might be able 1596 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,040 Speaker 5: to watch it on Amazon Prime, but you do got 1597 01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,479 Speaker 5: to go check that out. Me and JaQuavis called me 1598 01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,000 Speaker 5: and we produce that part time. Fitzpatrick is in it. 1599 01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,880 Speaker 5: We found because we like to give opportunities, you know 1600 01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,439 Speaker 5: what I mean. So we we got some sensations that 1601 01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:34,160 Speaker 5: you're gonna see in this movie that you have not 1602 01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,559 Speaker 5: seen yet, and it's just gonna be a lovely, lovely, 1603 01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,040 Speaker 5: lovely treat for y'all. So I want you to check 1604 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:41,960 Speaker 5: that out. And for those who do want to be 1605 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,760 Speaker 5: in the film business. Go to our dreamseek dot org 1606 01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,680 Speaker 5: and sign up, and we're gonna send you all the 1607 01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:51,320 Speaker 5: information you need to find out how we could get. 1608 01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:52,080 Speaker 3: You in this business. 1609 01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:52,400 Speaker 4: You know. 1610 01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,720 Speaker 5: So not only are we making movies, but we're giving opportunities, 1611 01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:56,160 Speaker 5: you know what I mean? 1612 01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,800 Speaker 2: Yes and yeah, speaking of opportunities, let me put your 1613 01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,320 Speaker 2: he was on the spot right now, the Quavens coming 1614 01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:10,360 Speaker 2: is in the house, Ladies and gentlemen, the family. I'm 1615 01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,160 Speaker 2: gonna let y'all know right now, I'm gonna tell the 1616 01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,639 Speaker 2: whole world the Quaves already said. The very next movie 1617 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,400 Speaker 2: that he do, y'all gonna see me in it. Now, 1618 01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:22,840 Speaker 2: that's what he said. Let's see what happened. No more talking. 1619 01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,280 Speaker 1: This episode was produced by a King and brought to 1620 01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:37,360 Speaker 1: you by the Black Effect Podcast Network at iHeart Radio.