WEBVTT - A Big Wet Kiss.  Lanhee Chen Talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Vice President. I look out over my Biden sign

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<v Speaker 1>in my front yard and I see a sea of

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<v Speaker 1>Trump flags and yard signs. Is that a question for

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden during the town hall? Why does nobody have

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<v Speaker 1>any enthusiasm for you? It was a lead up to

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<v Speaker 1>a different question. I was gonna lay out just the

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<v Speaker 1>things we've been talking about today for lawn Hea Chen.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about Biden's softball UH press conferences in town

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<v Speaker 1>halls versus Trump getting grilled? Does that matter? The Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>the flat delivery of a really good message yesterday, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I thought a grievance leaden rally last night with

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot with not enough reason to vote for him,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of stuff out there. Well, let's

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<v Speaker 1>join lan Hea Chen for the discussion. Long here's the

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<v Speaker 1>David and Diane Stephy, fellow in American Public Policy Studies

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<v Speaker 1>at the Hoover Institution, and joins is, now, how are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine, great to be with you. Thank you. So.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've had a chance to observe

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<v Speaker 1>the president lately, but he seems a little tired. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, here, here's what I think the president has

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<v Speaker 1>a a certain comfort zone he likes to operate in,

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<v Speaker 1>and he likes the environment where he can just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get out there, let a rip talk about whatever

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to talk about. And the question is how

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<v Speaker 1>that modus operandi works with the closing weeks of a campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think one of the things that made him

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<v Speaker 1>effective in sixteen at the end was his ability to

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<v Speaker 1>focus on message and to just get out there and

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<v Speaker 1>relentlessly deliver it. And generally speaking, candidates are successful when

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<v Speaker 1>they can do that. Right now, the president is not

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<v Speaker 1>there yet, and I think until he can get there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he probably will get there, the question

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<v Speaker 1>is when, I do think some of these rallies and

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<v Speaker 1>some of these events end up doing more harm than good,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's something that they're going to have to con runt.

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<v Speaker 1>I only took in fifteen minutes of last night, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's anecdotal evidence. But instead of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna build the wall and nobody thought he was

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<v Speaker 1>actually gonna build the wall in Mexico isn't gonna pay

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<v Speaker 1>for it. But here's somebody that finally gives a crap

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<v Speaker 1>about a legal immigration. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna bring

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<v Speaker 1>your jobs back, that sort of stuff, reasons to vote

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<v Speaker 1>for him. God, he was going on it was a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect phone call. You're talking about the Ukraine phone call?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Yeah. Wow. Meanwhile, they're hurling soft softballs

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<v Speaker 1>at Joe Biden. Do you catch any of the town

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<v Speaker 1>hall last night? Uh? Yeah, I mean it was a

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<v Speaker 1>big wet kiss, right. And I think it shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>surprising because we have seen that over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>The media does treat the two people differently. It treats

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and Biden differently. Uh. And you know, you guys

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<v Speaker 1>asked the questions, do I think it's going to make

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<v Speaker 1>a difference, And the answer is I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's going to make a difference because I think

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<v Speaker 1>people have already weighed these issues in their vibes. They

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<v Speaker 1>get the media likes Joe Biden one of the lifestyle Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>They end stand that. You know, as a result, the

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<v Speaker 1>two candidates are going to be treated differently. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure it affects how people view them, though. I think

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<v Speaker 1>if you I said this a lot before, which is

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<v Speaker 1>at this point in Donald Trump's presidency, You've figured out

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<v Speaker 1>how you feel about Donald Trump. Probably I still have.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you still have questions about, hey, what

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<v Speaker 1>do I think of Donald Trump, you must have been

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<v Speaker 1>living on another planet for the last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>So all this stuff that's out there, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>Woodward Book and the media's treatment of them and all

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<v Speaker 1>of the noise, you know, most Americans I think have

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<v Speaker 1>tuned it out, and I think they figured out, you know, look,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I think of Donald Trump. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, just because you don't like him doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to vote for him. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's an important factor to consider as well. Well, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking earlier. We think the best, you know, for people

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<v Speaker 1>who like some Trump stuff, but when he bothers them

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<v Speaker 1>so much, they just can't vote for him. The reluctant

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<v Speaker 1>Trumpers as a buddy of mine. Text of that, getting

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<v Speaker 1>the sixteen nineteen project out of the schools and ending

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<v Speaker 1>critical race theory training and the government agencies that could

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<v Speaker 1>be huge. Well, it is because people sort of say, listen, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, I think a lot of Americans would

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<v Speaker 1>say that. They would say, look, I'm all for a

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<v Speaker 1>society that's got people that look different from me and

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<v Speaker 1>sound different from me. That's fine, But I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be told that the history of my country is

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<v Speaker 1>so foul and so odious that I can't learn about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be told that everything America has

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<v Speaker 1>done is wrong. I don't want to be told that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everything that I've done as a non you know,

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<v Speaker 1>non minority, non person of color, non whatever, uh is wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think people just say, look, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the environment I want to be in. And

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<v Speaker 1>so there are common sense things that the president does,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's common sense things that people do when they say, look,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're right. Not all of that is wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And we and there are things about our history and

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<v Speaker 1>our culture that we should learn. And we should understand

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<v Speaker 1>times when things went badly, but we should also understand

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<v Speaker 1>that there are a heck of a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>in our history when things went well. And and that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that everybody and every child should learn country. I think, well, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of having wonderful ideals and sometimes falling short

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<v Speaker 1>of them is not an ugly story. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a it's worth telling. But again it's and

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<v Speaker 1>and the lefty media is trying to like give you

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<v Speaker 1>an inverse description of what's happening here, that he's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to eliminate any teaching of America's sins. The problem is

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<v Speaker 1>and just as a personal note, lony, judging by our listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>um and we hear from them by the hundreds and

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds every day. This, the far left indoctrination from kindergarten

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<v Speaker 1>through grad school is a huge issue among real people,

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<v Speaker 1>and I credit the Trump administration for having their ear

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<v Speaker 1>to the ground enough to realize it. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times and and NPR they're so snyde anytime

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<v Speaker 1>they make reference it's a conspiracy theory. But I'm telling

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<v Speaker 1>you it's big in the hinterlands. Well, here's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>The people that are reporters for these outlets, the people

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<v Speaker 1>who are opinion itiers for the most part, for these outlets,

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<v Speaker 1>they are far to the left of even many Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>in this country. They make up a disproportionate percentage of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these sort of relatively far to the left

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<v Speaker 1>progressive folks, and they are in very influential positions. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I think when most Americans look at that, they say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, that doesn't really sound like what you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I think is right. Just at a gut level,

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<v Speaker 1>people don't think that what they're reading and what they're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing sounds right. So this disconnect between mainstream media and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, many Americans that that's going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>huge problem going forward. This is not a not a

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<v Speaker 1>campaign problem, it's not a political problem. It goes to

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<v Speaker 1>the breakdown of our institutions, and the media is one

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<v Speaker 1>of them. I think, outside of a major event occurring,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, something international or whatever, I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to change the trajectory of the election except

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<v Speaker 1>for that first debate, particularly if Joe Biden is on

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<v Speaker 1>the debate stage with the world watching and says something

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<v Speaker 1>like he said last night that all two thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>would still be alive if Trump had done his job,

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<v Speaker 1>and Washington Post even says Biden is making this up?

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<v Speaker 1>How would that affect things? I mean, that's an extraordinary

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<v Speaker 1>thing to say. How about the fact that Anderson Cooper

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even follow up on that. Yeah, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think this first debate is going to be interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>watch because you're going to see the ultimate prevent defense,

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<v Speaker 1>uh in in Joe Biden's strategy. I mean, really, his

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<v Speaker 1>job is to get up there and to not screw

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<v Speaker 1>things up. I mean, there are many bland things he

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<v Speaker 1>can say, and I think it'll be totally fine. But

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. I think where where the Biden campaign is

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<v Speaker 1>concerned in all likelihood is they're concerned he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>get up there and he's going to say something or

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<v Speaker 1>say a few things that will really demonstrate kind of

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<v Speaker 1>either that he's lost a few steps or that that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he just has positions that are fundamentally out

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<v Speaker 1>of step with most Americans. And I think that's the

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<v Speaker 1>worry for the Biden campaign. You know that the Trump team,

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<v Speaker 1>they they kind of feel like, look, people are used

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<v Speaker 1>to the freewheeling style of the president. He's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say things carefully. He's going to get up there and

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<v Speaker 1>say what he's gonna say, and so I think they

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<v Speaker 1>feel it's relatively lower risk, which is why you hear

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<v Speaker 1>the President saying let's let's debate more. But but the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden team, I think they are they're playing pre event

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<v Speaker 1>and they really do not want people to to hear

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<v Speaker 1>or see some of the things that Joe Biden could

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<v Speaker 1>say or that could pop out his mouth. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>question was asked to Joe Biden on the New Green

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<v Speaker 1>Deal or the Green New Deal. Sorry, do you think

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<v Speaker 1>it's too much? Anderson Cooper said no, I don't, said

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<v Speaker 1>Vice President by no follow up, it's gonna cost sixty

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<v Speaker 1>trillion dollars. We're gonna stop driving cars with gas within

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<v Speaker 1>ten years year for that. Yeah, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>require every single building to be retrofitted and change. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean even ones that are historic and go back many,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, many centuries. I mean, it's it's the Green

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<v Speaker 1>New Deal is crazy. And this is a point that

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<v Speaker 1>I've started to make because I've been looking at Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden's policy plans recently. He would be the most liberal

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<v Speaker 1>president in modern history if he won. His ideas are

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<v Speaker 1>far more progressive than any can date since McGovern. His budget,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, is double what Hillary Clinton proposed in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen. Just just think about that for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Five trillion dollars in you spending double what Hillary Clinton proposed.

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<v Speaker 1>His tax increases are going to hit every American household.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not some moderate guy. I mean, if he

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<v Speaker 1>if he's elected president, he's going to be an extreme liberal.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, look, that's just something people need to

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<v Speaker 1>come to terms with They might be okay with that.

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<v Speaker 1>They might say, look, I'm willing to have that over

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<v Speaker 1>the chaos of Trump. I'll vote for Biden, doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>But people need to go into this selection eyes wide open,

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<v Speaker 1>understanding what the alternatives are. I think that's a very

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<v Speaker 1>important thing. My final question for Lonie Chen of the

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<v Speaker 1>Hoover Institution, um, given the near certainty that there will

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<v Speaker 1>be chaos and confusion during voting month, as mail and

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<v Speaker 1>ballots are counted and rejected and the rest of it,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you like the idea of some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>bipartisan commission getting to work like today by noon on

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<v Speaker 1>standards and messaging and and and bipartisan statements of solidarity,

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. Let's being pre about dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>the chaos. I would love that. I think that'd be

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<v Speaker 1>a great idea to get respected, you know, respected Republican,

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<v Speaker 1>respected Democrats, get people together and and and help us

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<v Speaker 1>make our way through this vest We cannot have this

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<v Speaker 1>be a partisan process. Regardless of how you feel who

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to vote for, we all agree we want

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<v Speaker 1>this election to be fairly decided, and we want to

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<v Speaker 1>have confidence in the outcome of the election and the

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<v Speaker 1>direction we're headed, and I really worry about because that's

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<v Speaker 1>not the direction we're headed in. And bringing this back

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<v Speaker 1>to de politicize it as much as possible, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be great. So I I'd be all for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's gonna happen. Boy. Dan Coates OpEd

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<v Speaker 1>in the New York Times yesterday. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you read it, but he said, Joe Biden or Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump are not a death blow to the country, but

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<v Speaker 1>losing faith in our elections could be. Yeah. That's good stuff. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's keep an eye on this one going forward. Lanh

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<v Speaker 1>Chen David Diane Stiffy, Fellow in American Public Policy Studies

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<v Speaker 1>at the Ober Institution. Lan, he thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Good to talk to you. Oh boy, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I worry way more about that. At the post election

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<v Speaker 1>day chaos, hatred, angst conspiracy theories, Russian propaganda, trolls and

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<v Speaker 1>bots and and the rest of it, not to mention

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Pelosi and Donald j saying irresponsible things. I'm more

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<v Speaker 1>worried about that than about anything. Yeah. Okay, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't mean to freak you out. Everybody