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Speaker 1: This is the best of two pros and a couple

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Speaker 1: Joe with Labar Aarings and Rating Wind and Jonas Knox

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Speaker 1: on five four Radio.

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Speaker 2: Fucking Drack, We're back and we're bad.

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Speaker 3: Sucking blood in the dark. Can't see me. I'm camouflage,

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Speaker 3: but Drack is flying. Yeah, waits things want.

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Speaker 2: To sucking blood out your neck? Yeah, sucking blood.

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Speaker 4: You known't what was stella? I was telling Petros yesterday

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Speaker 4: we were talking about Little League, and I'm like, man,

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Speaker 4: I'll bet my kids day night split are gonna be

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Speaker 4: wild because he'll probably just refuse to play during.

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Speaker 2: The day, but at night he is a winner.

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Speaker 4: Rank I'll tread fatten six sixty with like seventy five

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Speaker 4: home runs. But during the day nowhere to be found

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Speaker 4: hanging upside down on the dugoutang waiting for the sun

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Speaker 2: Tang.

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Speaker 3: Well, that sun can be a doozy, sure kid. UV

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Speaker 3: was up there yesterday too, like like seven or eight yesterday.

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Speaker 4: It is two pros and a cup of Joe here

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Speaker 4: on Fox Sports Radio, another edition of Black and Drag.

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Speaker 4: Here on a football Friday, It'll be LeVar, Arrington, jon

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Speaker 4: and Here taking you all the way up until nine

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Speaker 4: am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. You can listen to

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Speaker 2: What up sticks? What man? So you're watching some horse racing?

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Speaker 2: Apparently that's crazy, bro.

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Speaker 3: I never thought Chris Jones would be outdone, but this

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Speaker 3: one clearly puts Chris Jones in an easy second, easy second,

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Speaker 3: and it's an uncomfortable first.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. You just see the one I

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Speaker 2: sent it to you too. Leeve you see the.

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Speaker 3: One that that I sent you. It's it's uh, let's

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Speaker 3: just say. You don't really pay attention to how obvious

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Speaker 3: Oh my, very uncomfortable. So I didn't make it all

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe the name is Chris Robinson, US track

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Speaker 4: star who did win a race, and he won a race.

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Speaker 2: I mean he should have won a race. He ran

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Speaker 2: He should run the race. What do you expect. Guy's

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Speaker 4: Sorry for having, you know, higher expectations for certain people

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Speaker 4: here on this show, Paul Jeeves.

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Speaker 2: It just makes you wan pu.

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Speaker 3: It just makes you wonder. How do cats wear anything

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Speaker 3: but like onesies to run? You can't wear them blue

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Speaker 3: I just look at it differently. Now for all these years,

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Speaker 3: you know, he's just like you never paid it really

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Speaker 4: This is what I wonder because I know that racer,

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Speaker 4: Like swimmers will shave their armpits, and they'll shave their bodies.

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Speaker 3: But that video that popped up first of all, just

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Speaker 4: Just just a little friendly reminder for people that are

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Speaker 4: doing the AI grock images of black and drag. LeVar

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Speaker 4: it's very easy to find pictures of him on the internet.

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Speaker 4: You can make me any kind of Dracula you want.

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Speaker 4: That's fine. Levar's known. Okay, So, like these people are

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Speaker 3: I just that that that footage that popped up, it's

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Speaker 2: I believe they were hurdling too, weren't they. It was

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Speaker 2: For years and years and years that there was.

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Speaker 4: Allegations and people like whispering about and what brought this on?

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Speaker 4: He's fantastic. Jerry pointed out that what brought the conversations

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Speaker 4: The NFL says they clearly.

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Speaker 3: Found something that they didn't like in looking through the

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Speaker 2: As extortion is what it is.

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Speaker 3: You're dictating what the working health of of that that

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Speaker 3: More so, it's more than half, but you know what

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Speaker 3: you gotta do, say this happened, Boom, the NFL has

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Speaker 4: So Tucker's representative released the following statement after the NFL

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Speaker 4: of the season. Quote, we are disappointed with the NFL's decision.

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Speaker 4: Justin has always strived to carry himself in a way

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Speaker 4: that would make his family and community proud. He stands

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Speaker 2: Close this menage. Accept the resolution. We just code for hey,

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Speaker 3: Is there a mugshot of Robert Kraft, probably not.

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Speaker 3: It Just again, on a more serious note, you can't

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Speaker 3: Which that did not happen with Kraft, but you know,

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Speaker 2: But but they did.

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Speaker 3: They did give a harsh, stiff penalty to Tucker, which

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Speaker 4: All right, Three teams are out for sure on Justin Tucker. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: The Browns definitely will not catch and the Patriots, the

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Speaker 4: I mean, you couldn't even bring up Robert Craft stuff,

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Speaker 2: It's a full contact sport.

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Speaker 4: First cause I think you're maybe not giving enough credence

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you're going to say it's because they

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Speaker 2: Depends on who you ask.

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Speaker 4: too big a name, Justin Tucker. Yeah, it's too big

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Speaker 4: So that listen, we've we've called our shot. And this

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Speaker 2: I just don't get it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you want to talk about not wanting somebody

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Riley Cooper dropping an ND bomb at

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Speaker 3: Like you're like, can you imagine how the Browns feel

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Speaker 4: Andrew Berry's calling around massage parlors in Cleveland going, did

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Speaker 2: Did you guys see him? Anybody looked like him? Security?

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Speaker 2: Did you? Did you guys?

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Speaker 3: Tell him every Brown's apparel? Okay, about this tall? Why

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Speaker 3: Why would you want to have to do all of

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Speaker 4: mentioning this that somebody was rewarded in the NFL and

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Speaker 4: they deserve to be. And that's somebody was the head

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Speaker 4: coach and GM for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who yesterday

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Speaker 4: the Buccaneers announced multi year extensions for Todd Bowls and

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Speaker 4: Jason Light This is, in my opinion, totally deserved, especially

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Speaker 4: Jason Light who. Yeah, they won a Super Bowl with

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Speaker 4: Tom Brady, But it is interesting how the Patriots have

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Speaker 4: completely unraveled.

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Speaker 2: Yes since Tom Brady last yes they have. The Buccaneers

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Speaker 2: have not only stayed afloat, but surprisingly like they're the

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Speaker 2: of all teams in the NFL, only five teams have

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Speaker 2: won more games than the Buccaneers have since COVID since

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Speaker 2: twenty two.

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Speaker 3: They're surprisingly Yeah, Baker Mayfield era competitive, just consistent bowls competitive,

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Speaker 3: Top Bowls era competitive competitive. I mean you can anticipate

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Speaker 3: who would you expect to win that division?

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Speaker 2: The Bucks? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean you can make the argument that

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Speaker 3: it could be Atlanta. We said that last year they

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Speaker 3: boned us. Now who's the who's the next one. Who's

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Speaker 3: the next one up? It ain't gonna be Carolina? Oh,

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Speaker 3: come on, it ain't gonna be Carolina. Who else is

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Speaker 3: in there? Who else you got? Carolina, Carolina, New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 3: It ain't gonna be the Saints. It ain't gonna be Carolina,

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Speaker 3: And it ain't gonna be the other team that Falcons.

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Speaker 2: It ain't. It's just not.

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Speaker 3: So partially you could blame it due to the level

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Speaker 3: of achievement of the other teams in the division, But

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Speaker 3: make no mistake about it. You take a Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 3: in a situation where it's like he doesn't get paid

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Speaker 3: the money he wants, and then they paid Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 3: more than the money he wanted, and and now you've

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Speaker 3: stabilized a franchise at the quarterbacks position with Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 3: playing at a very high level, and the other team

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Speaker 3: has five quarterbacks on their roster to figure out who's

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Speaker 3: going to be the number one quarterback. So justin that alone,

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Speaker 3: like bringing him in believing that he can be that

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Speaker 3: guy that leads the way for your Tampa Bay Bucks

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Speaker 3: team was a big decision because he was somebody else's

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Speaker 3: trash turned out to be their treasure.

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Speaker 4: And not only was it somebody else's trash, it was

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Speaker 4: somebody else's trash that was brought in to replace the

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Speaker 4: greatest of all time, and we've seen what's happened in

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Speaker 4: New England when they've tried to do that. And yet

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Speaker 4: you look at Tampa and they've just been consistent. And look,

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Speaker 4: it's not like Todd Bowles is lighting it up as

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Speaker 4: head coach when it comes to a win loss record.

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Speaker 4: I think he's three games over five hundred. But there

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Speaker 4: is something to be said for that consistency. And there's

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Speaker 4: also something to be said for the fact that they

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Speaker 4: do it home grown. And this was a stat that

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Speaker 4: was out yesterday that the Bucks lead the NFL in

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Speaker 4: total snaps and starts by homegrown players drafted in rounds

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Speaker 4: one through five since twenty fourteen. So that's not like

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Speaker 4: a you know, a a sample size. For over a decade,

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Speaker 4: no team has had more draft picks play a significant

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Speaker 4: amount of time for them than the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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Speaker 4: have between rounds one and five during that time, and that,

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Speaker 4: I mean, that is something to be said. And they've

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Speaker 4: had results based on the wins and the success that

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Speaker 4: they've got, so listen, i think they've deserved it. But

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Speaker 4: it's been under the radar almost because look, Chris Godwin

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Speaker 4: had a better offer on the table, but decided I

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Speaker 4: want to come back and I want to be a

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Speaker 4: part of this, and I want to continue to be

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Speaker 4: a part of this. And this is a guy coming

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Speaker 4: off an injury. They've found a way to draft great

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Speaker 4: reward their own players, and they've built a culture there

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Speaker 4: to where players want to be there. And Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 4: has worked wonders there, completely revitalized his career, one of

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Speaker 4: the more underrated players in the NFL, underrated quarterbacks in

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Speaker 4: the NFL. And you look at jamp and go, maybe

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Speaker 4: they're not the super Bowl elite team, but there is

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Speaker 4: something to be in pretty consistent and they've been one

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Speaker 4: of the more consistent teams in the NFL for years now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they just got bigger on the interior line,

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Speaker 3: you know, so now they got some real size up front.

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Speaker 3: They've done a really really solid job of dealing with

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Speaker 3: the departures that they've had and like you said, homegrown,

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Speaker 3: like they've built through the draft. It's like it's a

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Speaker 3: very very sneaky ascent, is what I would say. They

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Speaker 3: seem to be a team that is inching closer and

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Speaker 3: closer to being back to that elite status. They seem

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Speaker 3: to be a team that's going in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: That's the reward of extensions to the head coach and

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Speaker 3: the GM. I just think this will be an interesting

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Speaker 3: year to see how that plays out, because I think

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Speaker 3: now we've gotten enough of us sample size of Baker

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Speaker 3: Mayfield as the quarterback of this team to say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: now it's time. If Baker Mayfield is truly that that

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Speaker 3: franchise guy, now is that time to take that level

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Speaker 3: of accomplishment to another level, especially knowing that the level

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Speaker 3: of competition isn't necessarily very high. I mean, you're talking

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Speaker 3: about a team that Michael Pennix is your starter, you

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Speaker 3: got you got.

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Speaker 2: Shock? Is he going to be the starter?

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Speaker 3: And and and maybe Okay, so we don't really know

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Speaker 3: who's going to be the starter in New Orleans and

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Speaker 3: is it going to be Bryce Young or who is it?

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Speaker 2: Who's it going to be in Carolina.

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Speaker 4: Bucks are by far and away the most stable organization

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Speaker 4: in that division, so it's not even close.

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Speaker 3: So again, I think this is one of those non

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Speaker 3: excuse years that the Bucks are going to be facing.

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Speaker 3: They could be the their own victims of success. The

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Speaker 3: level of success that they've been able to have because

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Speaker 3: you're able to win in the regular season, make it

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Speaker 3: to the playoffs, make it to the postseason.

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Speaker 2: But how does that go.

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Speaker 3: I think that's going to be what they're judged on

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Speaker 3: this upcoming season is to have a solid expected solid

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Speaker 3: regular season, get into the playoffs, and how do you

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Speaker 3: do in the playoffs. If it's an early departure, I

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Speaker 3: think it's a loss of a season. And you can't

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Speaker 3: continue to look at the coaching staff and the quarterback

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Speaker 3: or even the GM and give credit due to saying

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Speaker 3: that this is a very well built team.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if we're going to be fair, they probably

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Speaker 4: should have beat Washington in that playoff game. There was

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Speaker 4: a miscue by the Bucks. There was I think a

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Speaker 4: field goal that went off the upright and bounced around

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Speaker 4: that you know, get the best football.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying they're not that far away. We're not

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Speaker 4: far off from being a team to really have to

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Speaker 4: deal with and contend with.

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Speaker 3: They just can't go oh backwards though. That's the thing,

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Speaker 3: and that's I think that's the major point here is, yes,

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Speaker 3: they have been very close to like taking that next

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Speaker 3: step to the next level. And again that's why you

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Speaker 3: reward the people with the type of contracts extensions that

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Speaker 3: that you did. But going into this season, can they

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Speaker 3: take a definitive step forward from where they are right

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Speaker 3: now currently knowing that it's not the most competitive division

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Speaker 3: that you're going to have to compete in, so they're

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Speaker 3: going to have to show that they can be competitive

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Speaker 3: outside of their division and win those games and show

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Speaker 3: that they are to superior your team within their division

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Speaker 3: when they're playing those games.

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Speaker 4: Now, it is, uh, it's game show time, all right,

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Speaker 4: So do we have any special game show music here?

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Speaker 2: Because of what we did?

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Speaker 4: Mention this that since twenty twenty, since COVID when the

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Speaker 4: Bucks won the Super Bowl, they have the sixth most

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Speaker 4: wins in the NFL during that stretch of time, which

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Speaker 4: may be a surprise to some people that the Tampa

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Speaker 4: Bay Buccaneers have the sixth most wins.

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Speaker 2: In the league over the last five years.

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Speaker 4: So the question I have for you, LeVar Arrington, or

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Speaker 4: some people call you Levarrington, who are the five teams

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Speaker 4: ahead of the Bucks in most wins in the NFL

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Speaker 4: since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Most wins since twenty twenty. The Kansas City Chiefs that

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Speaker 3: is correct. The Baltimore Ravens, that is correct. Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 3: that is also correct.

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Speaker 2: How many is that? Three? Three? We got two left

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Speaker 2: wins wins wins.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers just below the Buccaneers, okay, twenty twenty, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 2: No, no, not the Lions. We're getting cold. I mean,

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Speaker 2: well we'll think about, you know, twenty twenty. Who's who's

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Speaker 2: the forty no, no, and even the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 2: Who's the benchmark of the NFL? Right now?

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Speaker 3: If you have to say that's that's the organization, that's Oh,

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Speaker 3: I gotta throw Philly in there. Philly's the But I

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Speaker 3: would have said the benchmark is Kansas City. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: Kansas City's on that lower city Kansas City. So there's

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Speaker 3: there's one more.

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Speaker 4: One team left and this might also be a little surprising,

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Speaker 4: but one team left. And if you noticed, how.

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Speaker 2: Is it Cincinnati?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 4: You see you see your executive PU the Green Bay Packers.

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Speaker 4: So the Green Bay Packers on the list. So the Chiefs,

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Speaker 4: the Bills, the Packers, the Ravens, the Eagles, and then

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Speaker 4: the Bucks. Most wins I got twenty first three. I'm

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Speaker 4: sure the top three we didn't get up with the

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Speaker 4: top three. So outside of the three Packers were they

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Speaker 4: they don't count. Damn that's crazy though. But yeah, I

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Speaker 4: don't think a lot of people consider Tampa Bay to

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Speaker 4: be that consistent of an organization. And I've always said this, Look,

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Speaker 4: there's no guarantees that you're going to win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: As we talked about, you know, the Bucks probably should

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Speaker 4: have won that game against Washington and the playoffs last year,

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Speaker 4: but some things go get a bounce here, a missque here,

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Speaker 4: and that's just the playoffs. That's how it works, and

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Speaker 4: you know the rest is history. I will take my

649
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: team being consistent, and I'll take my team being what

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Speaker 4: to expect every year as opposed to this up and

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Speaker 4: down roller coaster, not quite sure, disappointment here, disappointment there.

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Speaker 2: I think that's got to be one of the hardest

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Speaker 2: when that talking about all these teams like the Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: the Bills, the Packers, the Ravens, the Eagles, the Bucks,

655
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Speaker 2: all pretty consistent. Yeah, you don't have a lot of

656
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Speaker 2: letdown to me, right, what's the boom zoom deal? Like,

657
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Speaker 2: who's the boom and bust team?

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Speaker 4: Well, because if you look at there's teams every year,

659
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Speaker 4: and Albert Brier had the article, you know, worse to

660
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Speaker 4: first teams and then the following year, you're not quite

661
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Speaker 4: sure what to get. You're not quite sure what you're

662
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Speaker 4: gonna have in each franchise or each organization. And I

663
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Speaker 4: look at teams like, yeah, maybe the Packers won't win

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Speaker 4: a Super Bowl, but at least you know they're going

665
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Speaker 4: to be competitive. And if I'm a fan, if I'm

666
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Speaker 4: somebody rooting for that franchise, just give me a chance, like,

667
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Speaker 4: give me, give me a chance that we get a

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Speaker 4: couple of bounces or a couple of breaks in the

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Speaker 4: postseason and next thing, you know, maybe we can win

670
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Speaker 4: big games late. And you saw that look in Cincinnati.

671
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Speaker 4: I always defended the Andy Dalton there in Cincinnati because

672
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Speaker 4: that team was going to the playoffs every year. They

673
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Speaker 4: just weren't winning any games, but at least they were

674
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Speaker 4: in the discussion. At least, you know, it's a crapshoot

675
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Speaker 4: at that point. Get us into the postseason and maybe

676
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Speaker 4: we'll get a couple of things to go our way.

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Speaker 4: And it feels like Tampa's one of those teams to

678
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Speaker 4: where listen, man, get them in the postseason. At least

679
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Speaker 4: you know they're going to win some games, stay competitive.

680
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Speaker 4: You're not going to see the bottom fall out on them.

681
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Speaker 4: And it's an organization. You could probably argue the bottom

682
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Speaker 4: could have fallen out on them because Bruce arians left,

683
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Speaker 4: Tom Brady left, and it didn't. They were able to stabilize,

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Speaker 4: figure it out, and now they've got one of the

685
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Speaker 4: better quarterbacks in the conference that somebody else didn't want.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point.

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Speaker 3: So and he is a valued employee, and clearly we

688
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Speaker 3: were seeing that the head coach is a valued employee,

689
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Speaker 3: and as well as the GM. I think you can

690
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Speaker 3: only hope for seeing them take a step forward. And

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Speaker 3: I just just to add to your points because I

692
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Speaker 3: thought that's a good perspective, is you're looking at a

693
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Speaker 3: league that it's just very hard to prognosticate what's going

694
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Speaker 3: to happen. I think that that's what makes the league

695
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Speaker 3: so intriguing. Why you can sit there and say, all right,

696
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Speaker 3: there's teams that you can count on being good. Can

697
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Speaker 3: you count on the fact that they're going to be

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Speaker 3: the team that goes all the way or what type

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Speaker 3: of a year they're going to have. If you would

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Speaker 3: have said that when Dmico Ryans took over the Houston Texans,

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Speaker 3: that they would they would get as good as they did,

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Speaker 3: as quickly as they did. I don't know how many

703
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Speaker 3: people would have said, I put my money on now

704
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Speaker 3: state claim that this is what's going to happen with

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Speaker 3: the Houston Texans, and nonetheless they improved because they were

706
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Speaker 3: one and done on coaches two years in a rouge.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at the Washington Commanders, same exact thing.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're looking at a team that was suffering, struggling,

709
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Speaker 3: had fallen into mediocrity living there, and then boom, you

710
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Speaker 3: bring in new ownership, you bring in a new head coach,

711
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Speaker 3: you bring in Jaydon Daniels, and now you have a

712
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Speaker 3: team that's one game away from the Super Bowl, right

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Speaker 3: and arguably could have won the game against the eventual

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl champs.

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Speaker 4: In that also kind of what makes the Steelers' decision

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Speaker 4: on Mike Tomlin that much for difficult, because that's exhibit

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Speaker 4: A of the bottom never falling out. Yeah, always in contention,

718
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Speaker 4: always in consideration, and they haven't won a playoff game,

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Speaker 4: you know, their last five six times in the postseason,

720
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Speaker 4: but never a losing record, and sort of bordering on

721
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Speaker 4: the brink of being a team that could make some

722
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Speaker 4: noise in the postseason, and now the Steelers are looking

723
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Speaker 4: at it going, yeah, that's been the case for a

724
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Speaker 4: long time. But it may seem like an easy caller,

725
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Speaker 4: an easy decision to just say, well, we've got super

726
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Speaker 4: Bowl aspirations here, like our mark is a super Bowl.

727
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Speaker 4: If you're not winning a super Bowl, okay, that's fine.

728
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Speaker 4: But as we've seen, crazy stuff happens when you get

729
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Speaker 4: to a super Bowl. That Super Bowl against Green Bay,

730
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Speaker 4: if you go back and watch it, I think it

731
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Speaker 4: was Rashard Mendenhall had a fumble there that completely kind

732
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Speaker 4: of changed what that game could have looked like. There's

733
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Speaker 4: just there's a bouncers, a break that goes here. I

734
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Speaker 4: just think if you can get to the postseason and

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Speaker 4: throw your name in that you got a shot in

736
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Speaker 4: a one game scenario or situation, just like what Washington

737
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Speaker 4: did to Detroit last year in the postseason. Like and

738
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Speaker 4: so the Bucks are one of those teams at least,

739
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Speaker 4: at the very least always give themselves a shot.

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Speaker 3: Well, and then you look at the just just take

741
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Speaker 3: a step the point a little bit more forward with

742
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Speaker 3: with the Steelers. You're doing that in the AFC North. Yeah,

743
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's not like you're doing

744
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Speaker 3: it in the NFC South. You're doing it in the

745
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Speaker 3: AFC North when you are winning and you are making

746
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Speaker 3: the playoffs in the AFC North.

747
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Speaker 2: With unstable quarterback play.

748
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Speaker 3: So you got to take that into consideration because if

749
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Speaker 3: you were to disrupt that and take a chance on

750
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Speaker 3: bringing in a new coach, what does that look like?

751
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 3: Is there a slide and can you recover? This franchise

752
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 3: is a storied franchise. It has had a ton of

753
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Speaker 3: success for a very very I mean since they've been around.

754
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Speaker 3: I mean since they turned it around when the steel

755
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: curtain took over and they drafted all those guys. I'm

756
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Speaker 3: curious when you look at teams that have that good

757
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 3: season but can't seem to return back to that type

758
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: of form, what that looks like. So when you do

759
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: see a level of consistency in terms of what the

760
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: accomplishments are during the course of the year, do you

761
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Speaker 3: temper your expectations to say, I'm okay, if we have

762
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Speaker 3: a winning season, everything else is a bonus. Most fans

763
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Speaker 3: would say no. And that's where that's where it gets

764
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Speaker 3: kind of confusing and maybe a little sticky is most

765
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Speaker 3: fans would say, that's just not enough for me to

766
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Speaker 3: be happy with our season.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've got a good example for you. The

768
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Speaker 4: Bears fired Lovey Smith after he went ten and six.

769
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Speaker 2: What's that look like? Since? What does that look like?

770
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Speaker 3: Since it just I mean, people want to People were

771
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Speaker 3: ready to fire the head coach of the Ohio State

772
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Speaker 3: Buckeyes Michigan. They wanted to fire him, I mean, and

773
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Speaker 3: James Franklin, Like, I don't get it, man. They wanted

774
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Speaker 3: to fire Franklin after losing his first game of.

775
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Speaker 2: I've twenty years before.

776
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Speaker 4: I remember doing a show with Bucky Brooks and we

777
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Speaker 4: were talking about there was this anonymous pole that came out.

778
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Speaker 4: I think it was CBS Sports. It might have been

779
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Speaker 4: Prisco who was part of it. Who knows, But there

780
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Speaker 4: was this anonymous pole that came out on CBS Sports

781
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Speaker 4: where they ranked the most overrated coaches in college football

782
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Speaker 4: and James Franklin was like three or four on the list,

783
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Speaker 4: and the knock on him was, well, all he does

784
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Speaker 4: is recruit? Okay, what about now? Like I know, yeah,

785
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Speaker 4: there's not a national title. That's come along with it.

786
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Speaker 4: But you mean to tell me you think you're better

787
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Speaker 4: off moving off of that, like moving away from that,

788
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Speaker 4: like you would be better off.

789
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Speaker 3: To I just Ryan Day ended up winning it all

790
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Speaker 3: and some would argue and debate. They still wonder if

791
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Speaker 3: they should let this man go because he didn't beat

792
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Speaker 3: Michigan in the horseshoe. It's preposterous to think that some

793
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 3: of the fans base and judge what it is that

794
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: they think is the criteria of success versus failure as

795
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Speaker 3: a coach, So you can't base how you reward your

796
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Speaker 3: coaching staff or your players off of what fans think,

797
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Speaker 3: because sometimes it's just not realistic.

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Speaker 6: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

799
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Speaker 6: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

800
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Speaker 6: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

801
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Speaker 4: There was a discussion that was at this week on

802
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Speaker 4: the latest edition of Nightcap, Oh Yeah or James Harrison,

803
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 4: former Pittsburgh Steeler Great, was talking with your guy, TJ.

804
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Speaker 4: Houschman's Adam Yeah, and he was having a discussion about

805
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Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin, what makes Mike Tomlin great and also what

806
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Speaker 4: may be one of the flaws is with old coach

807
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Speaker 4: Tomlin there in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: With Mike, the.

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Speaker 7: Thing I guess that I liked about him he is

810
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Speaker 7: a player's coach, and the thing that I disliked about

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Speaker 7: him is he is a player's coach to a point

812
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Speaker 7: of sometimes it can just for up, you know what

813
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Speaker 7: I'm saying, because it goes maybe a little too far

814
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Speaker 7: with allowing certain things, you know what I'm saying with

815
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Speaker 7: certain players, and then it becomes an issue, you know,

816
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Speaker 7: with that player. So especially like towards the end of

817
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Speaker 7: my career, you know, the biggest thing was, you know,

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Speaker 7: ask a tough question, you get a tough answer. Well,

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Speaker 7: I was asking tough questions and I wasn't getting the answer,

820
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Speaker 7: you know, I was you know, I was getting told

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Speaker 7: things that weren't the answer that was the true answer.

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Speaker 3: And so that was love with cash, you know it

823
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Speaker 3: when they wanted to just say just I wish he

824
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Speaker 3: would have said just what he wanted to say.

825
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Speaker 6: Like that.

826
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Speaker 2: You know that. You know, I don't know what it is, but.

827
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Speaker 3: When you're when you use that many crutches and what

828
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Speaker 3: it is that you're saying, he doesn't want to say

829
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Speaker 3: something that he can't, can't take back.

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Speaker 2: And and I do believe he's.

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Speaker 3: Welcomed into you know, the Stellers facility, Stiller's training camps,

832
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Speaker 3: stuff like that. You'll see him around. I know James Harrison,

833
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 3: and James is a really good dude. One thing about

834
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 3: James he shoots from the hip too, Like that's why

835
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Speaker 3: he's you know, I fool with him so much is

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Speaker 3: I'm one of those guys I'm gonna shoot from the hip.

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Speaker 3: I like being around dudes that shoot from the hip.

838
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Speaker 3: I don't like passive, aggressive dudes. I don't like dudes

839
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Speaker 3: that that min's words or or don't want to just

840
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Speaker 3: say what they feel. I don't like dudes that talk

841
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Speaker 3: behind people's backs and won't say it to their face

842
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 3: or a woman to that point, Like whatever it is

843
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 3: I got to say, I could say it to you

844
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: in your face, same thing I say if you're not there.

845
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Speaker 3: So in this situation, in this SoundBite, he isn't saying

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Speaker 3: exactly what he's feeling. He's playing it safe, and it

847
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Speaker 3: leaves me wanting to understand more because I have heard things.

848
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Speaker 3: I know a few people that had played for coach

849
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Speaker 3: Tomlin and had played in Pittsburgh. I know people who

850
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: have understood the culture of what Pittsburgh, how it works,

851
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: and why it's thrived for so long, and why coaches

852
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 3: have been able to be in the seat for so

853
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: long throughout the years. I understand it because I grew

854
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 3: up learning it from the older guys, from Jerome Bettis,

855
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Speaker 3: from from Greg Lloyd. Once I got an opportunity to

856
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Speaker 3: be around these guys DERMANI Dawson, Mike Mike White, I

857
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Speaker 3: got an opert excuse me, the white White shouts out

858
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Speaker 3: to Mike White, that's my guy. I got an opportunity

859
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Speaker 3: to hear it firsthand what the culture of football was

860
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Speaker 3: and ultimately what the culture of the Pittsburgh Steelers was

861
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Speaker 3: growing up. And then as a guy that played in

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Speaker 3: the league and you had peers like I got really

863
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Speaker 3: close with Joey Porter, a senior, I got close with

864
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Speaker 3: Jason Gilden and like I said, you know, you got

865
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Speaker 3: really cool with James Harrison. And obviously one of my

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Speaker 3: closest friends that I consider one of my best friends

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Speaker 3: is Plexico Bursts. I know so many people that are

868
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: connected to the organization, and I've heard so many different things.

869
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: I'm not going to ever be the one that comes

870
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: out and says some of the things that I heard,

871
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: because it's not my place to do it. I just

872
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: wish that whoever, you know, in that moment, I wish

873
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: James would have just said what he felt, because I'm

874
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: hearing some of the things that are being discussed or

875
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: are talked about when the Steelers are brought up, and

876
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 3: he will alluding to it, but he didn't really step

877
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: into it.

878
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 4: I think what he's getting at is Mike Tomlins, Like

879
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin can keep a secret. And we've seen the

880
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 4: example be Antonio Brown, George Pickens to where after they leave,

881
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 4: you go, oh wow, all that.

882
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: Was going on, but you didn't really hear much of that.

883
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 4: And I've always maintained maybe that's one of the appeals

884
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 4: that Rogers has because it doesn't feel like there's a

885
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 4: lot of loose lips in Pittsburgh. It doesn't feel like

886
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 4: you've got a lot of stuff that will leak out.

887
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 4: But when it does, they usually follow suit by moving away.

888
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 4: Like we heard rumblings about Antonio Brown, they moved off

889
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 4: of him. We heard rumblings about George Pickens, they moved

890
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 4: off of him. Hell, we heard rumblings about Kenny Pickett

891
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 4: that he could have dressed up for a game in

892
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 4: Seattle opted not to. They said, oh, no, listen, that's

893
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 4: not true, that's not accurate. Mark Madden reported on that

894
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 4: everybody said, oh, you don't know what you're talking about. Now,

895
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 4: My sources are pretty credible on this, and what do

896
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 4: they do. I think that very offseason moved off of

897
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 4: Kenny Pickett. I just I think that Tomlin keeps everything

898
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 4: a secret, doesn't want stuff to come out, doesn't want

899
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 4: it to leak to the media, and ultimately the way

900
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 4: they act afterwards tells you everything you need to know

901
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 4: about how that player really was in that locker room.

902
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 4: But I think to James Harrison's point, he's probably thinking, man,

903
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 4: that stuff should be squashed way sooner than it is.

904
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 4: And maybe Tomlin, because he's about winning games and willing

905
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 4: to deal with personalities and whatnot, maybe he just lets

906
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 4: that stuff go on a little bit too far for

907
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 4: some of the other players in the locker room are like, dude,

908
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 4: are you going to step up and do anything about

909
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 4: this other than after it reaches a certain point, and

910
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 4: his threshold might be higher than other people's, then you

911
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 4: decide to move off of This certainly.

912
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: Was put on the front street with the whole thing

913
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: playing out between Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown. It was

914
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 3: put on front and it was it was a topic

915
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 3: of conversation. How do you handle it, Who's right, who's wrong?

916
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 3: Who do you get rid of? Who do you keep?

917
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: So this has happened before, I guess I'll touch on it. No,

918
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do. It's just again, it's just not

919
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: I know.

920
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 3: I've heard Ben Roethlisberger bring up the fact how he

921
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 3: feels about how coach Tomlin has handled things as the

922
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 3: leader of the team and how that plays into the

923
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: culture of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I've heard that, I'll say

924
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 3: loosely or gently. I've heard that the culture has slowly deteriorated.

925
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: The Steeler the air quotes the Steeler culture, and I

926
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 3: won't go any deeper than that. The Steeler culture has

927
00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 3: been slowly eroding under his tenure. That's where I'll leave it.

928
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 4: That he's willing to deal with more than maybe he

929
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 4: would have in previous years because they need all the

930
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 4: help they can get.

931
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but here's my thing, right, coaches always have to

932
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 3: deal with more, they always have to deal with things

933
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 3: and people. The general republic will never know all that

934
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 3: they have to deal with in order to hold a

935
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: team together. I don't I don't find there to be

936
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 3: anything brilliant or or really just out of the at

937
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 3: the normal for that, like that's something that coaches have

938
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: to do.

939
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 2: I think.

940
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 3: I think for me and how I've been looking at

941
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: just lately, how things have gone been going with the

942
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: Steelers is more of the culture of the locker room

943
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: and and how that plays out the the personalities that

944
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: are in the locker room, how do they govern and

945
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 3: and have handle affairs in the locker room. Who's empowered

946
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 3: to handle those things?

947
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: You got?

948
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: I'm sure James Deebo was an enforcer to the locker room.

949
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: And I think the reason why that team was so

950
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 3: good back in the earlier days when Tomlin took over

951
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: was because of the personalities that you had in that

952
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 3: locker room. And you would say the same would exist

953
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 3: for Bill Cower, and the same existed for Chuck Knowle.

954
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 3: And you know when you had those type of personalities

955
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: like a male blunt and the white white and me

956
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 3: and Joe Green and Jack both the Jacks Lambert and

957
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: ham You have a mentality and a standard and an

958
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 3: expectation that became the identity of that team, and that

959
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 3: carried on through the generations of players and coaches. You

960
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 3: see certain players play for the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know

961
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 3: what type of player you're getting. That's been the outside

962
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: linebackers position. It's been the defensive tackles position. It's been

963
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: the inside linebackers position. Oh, it's been the safety's position. Hey,

964
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 3: by the way, it's been the cornerback's position. Oh, you

965
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 3: think I'm joking. From Brinson Buckner to Casey Hampton, same

966
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 3: type of dudes, different eras of time, Ray Seals, you know.

967
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: Aaron Aaron? Uh, not Aaron? What's my man? Justin? H

968
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: is it Justin? And a big big Keyesel Keesel, Brett Keesel.

969
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 3: You got all these bad mother efforts on the defensive

970
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: side of the ball from from me and Joe Green

971
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 3: the original steel curtain to where they are, you know

972
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 3: where they had gotten to. Right then you're talking about

973
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 3: guys like Kevin Green and Jason Gilden and and and

974
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 3: Earl Holmes and ken Drel Bell. People don't even remember

975
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 3: Kendrel Bell, but that mentality of what the heartbeat of

976
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: a team would be Rod Woodson and Cornell Lake and

977
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 3: you know, Dwayne Woodruff and all those guys. Then you

978
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 3: look on the other side of the ball and they

979
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 3: have always produced a receiver from Lewis Lips, Louis Lips

980
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 3: to to you know, from you know Lynn Swan Swaneon

981
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 3: and John stalwartancyn Yancy Thigpenn and Charles Johnson and you

982
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 3: know just Andre Hastings and then you move into the

983
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 3: more recent you know with Plexico Burrs and Heinz Ward.

984
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 3: You have always had a certain mentality and a certain

985
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 3: demeanor connected even at the running backs position when it

986
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 3: was Tim Worley and it was you know, it was

987
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: Warren Williams, and it was Barry Foster, and you know,

988
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 3: then it comes in you have John l and then

989
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 3: you have you know, Jerome Bettis, and you always had

990
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: this distinct personality connected to each position of that team.

991
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 2: And it plays out in the locker room.

992
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 3: They said Rod Woodson and Greg Lloyd were the enforcers

993
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 3: of the locker room. I think the biggest issue here,

994
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 3: and I think what James Harrison is touching on and

995
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 3: alluding to, is that because of the way things are handled,

996
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: those tough.

997
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: Conversations that he's talking about. Chuckno had that with his guys.

998
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: Bill Cower had that with his guys, and there was.

999
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 3: An authoritative figure and there was a subordinate in all

1000
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 3: of these situations. But those subordinates ultimately respected the fact

1001
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: that they had those conversations and they were going back

1002
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 3: in the locker room and they were having their way

1003
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: in terms of the tough conversations they're having within the

1004
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 3: locker room culture. I think there's a disconnect between this

1005
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 3: head coach at this point, even though they love him

1006
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: and even though he is a player's coach. I think

1007
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: there's a disconnect because those topics aren't met head on,

1008
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 3: and it doesn't establish the authoritative figure, and it doesn't

1009
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: establish the subordinates, but the subordinates that go in as

1010
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 3: the authoritative figures in the locker room. And it's a

1011
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 3: deteriorating of a culture where you had players that were

1012
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 3: so strong and what it was that they were doing

1013
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 3: and it were such a representative of the coach that

1014
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 3: they were able to hold that locker room and check

1015
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 3: and hold them accountable and create the standard that has

1016
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 3: gone from generation A generation of each Pittsburgh Steeler team.

1017
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: And you could sit here and say, I don't know

1018
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: jack as about it. I'm only a fan. I'm only

1019
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 3: a fan. I do not know it from the inside,

1020
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 3: but I do. Again, I will say this, I learned

1021
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 3: it enough. It influenced me as a player growing up.

1022
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 3: I learned it enough from the players that meantward me

1023
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 3: that were Pittsburgh Steelers, and I learned it enough from

1024
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: my friends once I became an adult what it looked like.

1025
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: Because the Steelers have always been a team of interest

1026
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 3: to me, and I've always been a fan of Mike Tomlin.

1027
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: I know it seems like maybe as of late, I

1028
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 3: come across as like I'm a detractor of Mike Tomlin

1029
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 3: as the coach. I think he is a fine person.

1030
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 3: I think he is a fine coach. I think he

1031
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: is a brilliant mind. I think he has done an

1032
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 3: amazing job as the leader and the coach of this team.

1033
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 3: But I do wonder if if some of the things

1034
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 3: that I hear, like the quote you heard or the

1035
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 3: sound you heard from James Harrison, has he been too

1036
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 3: much of a player's coach where you have compromised what

1037
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 3: that standard and that expectation of being a Pittsburgh Steeler represents.

1038
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 4: Can't be the cool dad. You gotta be the discipline guy.

1039
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 4: You gotta be the disciplinarian. Sometimes being the cool dad

1040
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 4: and the popular dad ain't ain't the way to go,

1041
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 4: And uh, yeah it's not. But I mean, let's look

1042
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 4: on the bright side. At least they're not the pirates,

1043
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 4: so you know, there is that or to Pittsburgh spirits. Yeah,

1044
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 4: I mean, they're not even around anymore.

1045
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: And let's be honest here, we're gonna you know, the

1046
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: Penguins aren't all that all the way, and they got

1047
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: issues too, but