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Speaker 1: The guys from Ping.

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Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.

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Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot I

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Speaker 2: kind of want.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 1: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 3: Hello everybody, Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm Shane Bacon. That is Marty Jerts and Marty. How

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Speaker 3: we doing great?

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Speaker 1: Shane loving it in the office and try and solve problems.

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Speaker 3: I just by the way, Marty, I just got a

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Speaker 3: new PLD in the mail, and I went with the mallet.

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Speaker 3: I went a little bit more mallet style. I had

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Speaker 3: a little bit more of a blade one in the

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Speaker 3: previous iteration stamping on the bottom. Have kind of a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a equation, if you will, with like

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Speaker 3: my kids and my dog's names on the bottom of it.

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Speaker 3: But this is something I really believe in. I went

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Speaker 3: out today. You know, I've got the putting green in

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Speaker 3: the backyard. I went out there. I set up for

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Speaker 3: a ten footer. I feel like, you gotta make the

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Speaker 3: first putt with a new putter.

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Speaker 2: You I made it.

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Speaker 3: I made it in But you know, it's like you

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Speaker 3: can't miss the first putt with a brand new, beautiful putter, right.

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Speaker 3: You gotta make that thing to give it the good

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Speaker 3: vibes you need as you go forward.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I saw. I was at the range last night.

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Speaker 1: I saw a guy in the range. He is the

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Speaker 1: best scratch golfer at my club, and he was he

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Speaker 1: bought a new fancy cheft and he was screwing it

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Speaker 1: in and he's all excited, and I was. I was

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Speaker 1: sneaking over there to see how that first shot went.

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Speaker 3: You need to hit the first drive with the new driver. Well,

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Speaker 3: you need to hit the first wedge. You need to

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Speaker 3: clip it. I remember I had a friend of mine

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Speaker 3: one time. He hold out with a new wedge, brand

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Speaker 3: new wedge in the bag, hold out, first swing with it.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, never hit another good shot with it. Last

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Speaker 3: lasted like four months in his bag.

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Speaker 2: He said. I I exhausted the good.

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Speaker 3: Swing the first time out, and that thing never produced

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Speaker 3: another positive. But hopefully the putter will will produce it.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the more beautiful ones I have ever had.

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Speaker 3: But Marty, today I wanted to jump in and dive

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Speaker 3: into an issue with a lot of golfers. An issue

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Speaker 3: maybe the golfers don't even understand they have. And this

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Speaker 3: isn't just everyday players. This is a professional golfer issue

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Speaker 3: as well, and it's you know, it really kind of

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Speaker 3: goes back to the rules of golf. We can have

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Speaker 3: fourteen clubs in our bag. That's the maximum allowed in

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Speaker 3: I'd say, you know, everyday players abide by this rule

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Speaker 3: for the most part. I mean, occasionally you might see

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Speaker 3: somebody with sixteen or seventeen clubs, and then maybe they

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Speaker 3: have a desert club if they're out in Arizona. But

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Speaker 3: fourteen clubs is the number, and when you only get

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Speaker 3: fourteen sounds like a lot. If I went upstairs and

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Speaker 3: ask my wife, who's not a golfer, does fourteen clubs

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Speaker 3: kind of cover, you know, the basis of a golf round,

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Speaker 3: she'd probably go, yeah, of course, that sounds like a ton.

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Speaker 3: But as golfers, we know that fourteen typically means there's

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Speaker 3: so I wanted to dive a little bit into that

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Speaker 3: because gapping isn't just a golfer issue, but it's a

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Speaker 3: company issue and it's something Peeing has spent a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Shane, I think I think you introduced the topic great,

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Speaker 1: which is like what is gapping? Like what does it

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Speaker 1: it might mean like you have even space between your irons,

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Speaker 1: like some people might think that. Some people might think

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, which wedges do you play? You know?

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Speaker 1: I think what we should do is like define it

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Speaker 1: you got fourteen club It's an optimization issue. Right when

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Speaker 1: I put my engineering hat on it. It's like you

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Speaker 1: verse accuracy. Then you have your putter, which that's doing

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good definition. Like what gapping is.

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Speaker 1: what have you. And then yeah, I think You're right.

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Speaker 1: what does your fitter do? You know, when you're trying

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Speaker 3: When you talk about gapping, Marty, and you talk about

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, that's a great point. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: And it's a lot about carry. The slower you are

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like carry plus roll. So we've even

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Speaker 1: built our tools like that. And one fun thing, Shane,

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Speaker 1: our competitors fit with a seven iron. You take whatever

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Speaker 1: your ball speed is in your seven iron in miles

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Speaker 1: your Tony Fenow thirteen and a half yards is like

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, so you guys have done studies and

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Speaker 3: tried to figure out the exact number between clubs, because I.

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Speaker 2: Think when you know a.

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Speaker 3: Vision how far your golf clubs go. You know, people

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Speaker 3: they just don't understand how far they hit certain golf clubs.

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Speaker 3: They might in their brain think I hit it, if

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Speaker 2: But maybe what your average would be.

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Speaker 3: you'd like to really kind of hammer when you're talking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if your ball speed's one thirty, which is us

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Speaker 1: you know. But Shane, one fun thing we've done is

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Speaker 1: like our hypothesis, right, And so that was a really

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Speaker 3: So Okay, for somebody like me, right, I have always

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Speaker 3: you're setting all this stuff, and you're seeing that those

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Speaker 1: That's exactly the hypothesis, and we're still working to try

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Speaker 1: Like that's a very important club on that particular golf course.

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Speaker 1: But this data analysis what it allows to do, Shane,

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Speaker 1: And we're kind of sharing my screen here to look

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Speaker 1: at a chart that shows where golfers are on the

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Speaker 3: Right at Campbelback Mountain, exactly one of those big humps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the sweet spot.

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Speaker 1: That is the sweet spot. And so we've actually run

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Speaker 1: the analytics and you hit over fifty percent of your

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Speaker 1: iron shots. So that's say, let's call it your five

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Speaker 1: iron through pitching wedge or four through pitch, whatever that is.

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Speaker 1: You hit over fifty percent of those shots between one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty and one hundred and sixty five yards, right,

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Speaker 1: And so what does that mean to equipment or how

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Speaker 1: you should set up your bag? We is the club

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Speaker 3: Do you what do you say to people that tell you, okay,

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Speaker 2: They don't even feel our gap here.

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Speaker 2: Marty.

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Speaker 3: One of the coolest parts about being involved with you

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Speaker 1: will tell you, hey, how high will I hit the

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Speaker 1: four iron or the five iron or the four hybrid

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Speaker 1: And you can go in there without hitting the four hybrid,

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Speaker 1: the seven wood and the iron replacement, see what that

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Speaker 1: would do to your trajectory. And that's specific to you,

439
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Speaker 1: and it's specific to your temperature and elevation where you're

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Speaker 1: playing golf, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'd like, like, we did this, you

442
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Speaker 3: and I did this when I was out in Phoenix,

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Speaker 3: And I mean you throw in the area of the

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Speaker 3: country you live in, yeap. I mean you can throw

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Speaker 3: in kind of like the average temperature. It will predict

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Speaker 3: it for you. And what I loved was you can

447
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Speaker 3: kind of, as you mentioned, you can interchange things. I mean,

448
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Speaker 3: you can change in what club you maybe want to

449
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Speaker 3: hit or or maybe what you're thinking about changing in

450
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Speaker 3: your bag, and it will kind of figure out the

451
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Speaker 3: numbers for that. And it's just really smart because I

452
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Speaker 3: do think you know, as a golfer that has been

453
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Speaker 3: lucky enough to get fit a decent amount throughout his

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Speaker 3: life and a lot of different circumstances, going to a

455
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Speaker 3: fitting can feel intimidating. Yeah, for a lot of golfers.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot going on. There's track man,

457
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Speaker 3: there's technology, you have a fitter in front of you.

458
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Speaker 3: There's so many things happening. And to think, all right,

459
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be here hitting you know, twenty lob wedges,

460
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Speaker 3: and then I'm gonna hit twenty sand wedges and then

461
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit pitching wedge and gap wedge and to

462
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Speaker 3: think about how much time, effort and then consistency in

463
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Speaker 3: the golf swing that's got to get you all the

464
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Speaker 3: way through driver to go in here and just be

465
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Speaker 3: able to hit what is it, ten or fifteen seven

466
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Speaker 3: irons and then basically be dialed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes so much of the pressure off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is a weird thing to think about,

469
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Speaker 1: but actually you nailed it in that our app that

470
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Speaker 1: we're looking out here on the screen predicts how you're

471
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Speaker 1: gonna hit all these clubs with more accuracy than you

472
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Speaker 1: going yourself and hitting them you would have to hit

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Speaker 1: them yourself like fifty or one hundred times, right, because

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Speaker 1: we're it's kind of like you know, artificial intelligence, Like

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Speaker 1: we know based on the length, the model, the loss

476
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Speaker 1: and the environmental conditions with our ball model, like with

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Speaker 1: a higher degree of accuracy. So we have engineers around

478
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Speaker 1: the office that are going out hitting their seven iron

479
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Speaker 1: plugging it into our app and you could download this

480
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Speaker 1: PDF report and it gives you all your yardages and

481
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Speaker 1: they're going to Plague Golf and using that put it

482
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Speaker 1: in their yardage book and it's like spot on and.

483
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Speaker 3: You and you even have I mean to people that

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Speaker 3: aren't looking at the screen. I mean, you should check

485
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Speaker 3: this out. It's very much worth your time. But there's

486
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Speaker 3: even a simplified version of this app, where again you

487
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Speaker 3: can go to the simplified version and make it even

488
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Speaker 3: easier on yourself and that will help you get as

489
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Speaker 3: dilled as you can in terms of your gapping issue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're trying to build Toolshane that are you know,

491
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Speaker 1: kind of fast, quick and easy, and then very advances

492
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Speaker 1: like the gapping app. We will use that with our

493
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Speaker 1: tour players to get down into the weeds, you know

494
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Speaker 1: what I mean. But yeah, you can go in. Our

495
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Speaker 1: fitters can go in use our copilot gapping tool. You

496
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Speaker 1: pick which iron model you just put in about how

497
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Speaker 1: far you hit your seven iron, Do you hit a high,

498
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Speaker 1: medium or low? And you get set makeup, and then

499
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Speaker 1: it'll give you a couple options like this is a

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Speaker 1: fast wing speed player, This is like your speed three

501
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Speaker 1: wood three hybrid or three crossover four through pitch right

502
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Speaker 1: and that well, you know, or you could go back

503
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Speaker 1: and put in uh, you know, g series iron. You

504
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Speaker 1: hit your seven iron one twenty two a little lower,

505
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get a totally different second figure ration recommendation

506
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Speaker 1: like we see you know, three wood, seven, wood five,

507
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Speaker 1: hybrid six through pitch right. So it's really cool. Gapping

508
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Speaker 1: does not have to be intimidating, you know, and we've

509
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Speaker 1: we've created some really cool tools to do this super accurately.

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Speaker 2: Marty, How does something like this come about?

511
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Speaker 3: Like, you know, I mean again, I find it fascinating

512
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Speaker 3: that it feels like you guys have a real passion

513
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Speaker 3: for solving the problem. Let's solve the inconsistency and the stroke.

514
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Speaker 3: Let's get a putter in your hand that you actually

515
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Speaker 3: need to use. Let's make sure that you're using the

516
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Speaker 3: right grips and the right shafts, all of those things

517
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Speaker 3: that we feel like we've you know, we've kind of

518
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Speaker 3: conquered that in the golf space. How does something like

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Speaker 3: the gapping app come about from idea to actually seeing

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Speaker 3: on a screen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a great question, Shane. I think it's

522
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Speaker 1: a combination of a few things. One, we want to

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Speaker 1: help people play their best golf. Two, we go out

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Speaker 1: and we we go to a lot of conferences. We

525
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Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with our fitters and we

526
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Speaker 1: look at what are they struggling with, Like what is

527
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Speaker 1: hard to do? But then what is important for the golfer, right,

528
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Speaker 1: And there's that intersection point. So doing gapping out there

529
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Speaker 1: is a there's a big friction point for our customers

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Speaker 1: and our fitters, like they're just how do we do it?

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Speaker 1: And so I thought a lot about, well, let's provide

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Speaker 1: four irons and five irons and have the golfer hit

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Speaker 1: them and see where they could they you know, can

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Speaker 1: they still keep the ball there? Can they still reach

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Speaker 1: a landing angle? And we tried that. We try that's

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Speaker 1: what the proving grounds is. We try to do that

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Speaker 1: with people, and hey, we ran into those problems. They

538
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Speaker 1: get hey, tired, takes too long, can't get enough good

539
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Speaker 1: fore irons, like, so we experiment with these things. And

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Speaker 1: then the other angle, Shane, is that we want to

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Speaker 1: build a tool that lets the everyday golfer get access

542
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Speaker 1: to what the tour player can do. Tour players on

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Speaker 1: the range they got trackmen, they got foresight, they're hitting

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Speaker 1: all their balls, they're micro tweaking all their clubs, they're

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Speaker 1: doing it. Now, the every day golfer might not be

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Speaker 1: able to do that. They might not be the elite

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Speaker 1: athlete that the tour player is. So this gapping tool

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Speaker 1: allows you to have the tour level service like to

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Speaker 1: the everyday golfer. So I think it's the intersection of

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Speaker 1: all those things come together to try to solve the

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Speaker 1: biggest pain points for our fitters and for our end customers.

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Speaker 3: I'm a golfer. I'm listening to this. I don't know

553
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Speaker 3: if I have a gap at issue or not, Marty.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know.

555
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Speaker 3: I don't quite know my bag, I don't quite know

556
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Speaker 3: my carry distance. What do you say to those peop people,

557
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Speaker 3: how can they do some personal investigation to try to

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Speaker 3: best figure out where they might have a hole, if

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Speaker 3: they have a hole, and how best to kind of

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Speaker 3: attack that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a lot of great like stats

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Speaker 1: tracking apps, so I think that's becoming more and more popular.

563
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Speaker 1: So you know, we partner with Arcos. That's a great

564
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Speaker 1: one that's you know, smart technology and captures all that

565
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Speaker 1: data in the app and it allows you to overcome

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Speaker 1: I think, like what you highlight, Shane, like, I don't

567
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Speaker 1: know if I have a gap. A lot of people don't,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned the pro am player that's sitting

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Speaker 3: there going They don't realize that they have fifty yards

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Speaker 3: of no golf club where you need that fifty yard.

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Speaker 1: The most, totally totally. So that's where little that's where

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Speaker 1: technology I think can be used in the right way.

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Speaker 1: Like not all the numbers are valuable all the time,

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Speaker 1: but that is a great one, right, that is a

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Speaker 1: great one. Highlighting it numerically, getting that little little subtle edge.

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Speaker 1: You'd be like looking at your sleep tracker and noticing whatever,

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Speaker 1: some pattern of your behavior that you might not have

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Speaker 1: noticed otherwise, you know what I'm saying, So that that'd

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Speaker 1: be a that'd be a first place to start. Get

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Speaker 1: some type of en course tracking if you can. Number two,

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Speaker 1: go see one of Go see a pink fitter that's

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Speaker 1: using our gapping app. Get your seven iron numbers and

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Speaker 1: plug them in there, and then just look at what

585
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Speaker 1: our recommendation is relative to your bag, and then you

586
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Speaker 1: might be have some insights that it could be fun

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Speaker 1: and you'll have some findings by just taking a look

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Speaker 1: at doing that exercise. Only.

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Speaker 3: One of my big other pieces of advice Marty in

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Speaker 3: this world is always just be open minded. Just be

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Speaker 3: a little open minded about the golf bag. It's easy

592
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Speaker 3: to feel like you're dialed to what you use I'm

593
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Speaker 3: always gonna have a three would I'm always gonna have

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Speaker 3: a three iron, you know. And I mean I think

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Speaker 3: the moment you kind of let go of that, that

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Speaker 3: that must.

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Speaker 2: In your golf game.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I always have found one of

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Speaker 3: the coolest parts about professional golfers, Marty, is their ability

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Speaker 3: and their openness to tweaking. You know, they're always tweaking stuff.

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Speaker 3: They're always trying out new putting strokes and new putters

602
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Speaker 3: and new clubs and different ideas because the goal at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, how can I shoot the

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Speaker 3: lowest score? How can I shoot the lowest possible number?

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Speaker 3: And I feel like the pro golfers so open minded,

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Speaker 3: yet the everyday golfer maybe struggles a bit with opening

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Speaker 3: their mind up to some of these things.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point, Shane. We see it here. It's

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Speaker 1: like because in part of gapping, it's like, hey, do

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Speaker 1: you know I hear this question A lot fidder will

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Speaker 1: ask the player, hey, do prefer hybrids over fairway woods? Right?

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Speaker 1: And if you ask that to the player, they're not

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Speaker 1: gonna be open minded, you know. But we so many

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Speaker 1: golfers leave the proving grounds playing a hybrid instead of

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Speaker 1: a long iron and say, you know, hey, stay playing

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Speaker 1: a five hybrid instead of five iron, or a seven

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Speaker 1: wood instead of that four iron, and they love it.

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Speaker 1: Or on the other side of the bag, Shane what

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Speaker 1: sometimes we'll if a golfer is going to conform to

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Speaker 1: the fourteen clubs, we'll take that four hybrid out and

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Speaker 1: lead they leave with a chipper and now they love chipping.

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Speaker 1: Like so you can solve chipping. So gapping is not

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Speaker 1: only about your your your fairywood's hybrids and and not

624
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Speaker 1: hanging on to hey, I need a foreign in my bag,

625
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: but it could be also on the other end of

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Speaker 1: the bag. And we've had so many golfers love the

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00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: chipper and then you know, it's a it's a question

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Speaker 1: of optimizing those twelve clubs between driver and putter of

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Speaker 1: what what what gives to add that chipper, And we've

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of golfers be ecstatic about that decision.

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Speaker 3: I was just recently on a golf trip to North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: One of my buddies, who I think he's a six handicap, uh,

633
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Speaker 3: one of my best friends.

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Speaker 2: His chipper, the grip is already wearing out. That's how much.

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Speaker 3: He's using his chipper, and as you know Marty in

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Speaker 3: North Carolina, on those crazy greensers, the chippers almost it's

637
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: almost mandatory to be able to get the ball up

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00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: and done because you know, I mean, if you're not

639
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 3: using a chipper, using a seven iron, your hybrid. But

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Speaker 3: I love the fact that there's a golf club out

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00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: there now simply for that shot. And I know that

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00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: it helps him out so much he's willing to sacrifice

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00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: the spot in the bag to get the ball up

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Speaker 3: and down around the greens.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Shane, And I'm my mind went right to

646
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Speaker 1: that chart that we talked about earlier with the camel

647
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Speaker 1: and the big humps. Yeah, and the big hump in

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Speaker 1: club usage for your irons is like one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty five yards. Well, the other big spike is you're

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Speaker 1: hitting your lob wedge or whatever a lot around the green.

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Speaker 1: So that's exactly the case. Like that is probably, well

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Speaker 1: not probably, that is almost certainly the most used club

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Speaker 1: in his bag outside his putter. You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The gapping for me is I have the crossover and

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Speaker 3: you guys built me an awesome seven wood, and so

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Speaker 3: now I've got Now I'm gonna be the guy that

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Speaker 3: carries fifteen clubs to like a practice round here so.

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Speaker 2: That I can now go.

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Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see is it a seven wood golf

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Speaker 3: course or is it a crossover golf course. In terms

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Speaker 3: of the gapping app, Marty, is that gonna be something

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Speaker 3: that's now available. I mean, if you go to a

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Speaker 3: pink fitter, is that something they can show you and

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Speaker 3: actually implement.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have tons of our fitting network here here

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Speaker 1: in the U and around the world that have just

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Speaker 1: started using it, where we still call it beta mode

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Speaker 1: because we're just ironing out just a few little bugs

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Speaker 1: here right right. Yeah, almost all of our fitters are

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Speaker 1: using that gaping app. So go in ask your ping fitter, say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I heard about I saw this cool gapping app. I

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Speaker 1: want to get on it and use it. And if not,

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Speaker 1: they'll sign up for it and get access to it

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Speaker 1: and jump right on there and then eventually we'll have

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Speaker 1: that available so you can go on our website, find

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Speaker 1: a fitter and see who's using our co pilot tool,

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Speaker 1: and go find your local fitter close by.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's an interesting topic and I feel like it's

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Speaker 3: something that we don't talk enough about. In golf, and

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Speaker 3: as I set off the top, you know you and

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Speaker 3: you said it perfectly about the pro am golfer. We

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Speaker 3: spend so much time playing golf. You know, you spend

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Speaker 3: so much time in your life. I always think about

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Speaker 3: the adult that plays golf. Adults don't have a lot

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Speaker 3: of hobbies. I'm already those hobbies. I feel like the

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Speaker 3: older you get, you know, they fall out and you know,

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Speaker 3: you're not collecting stuff anymore, and you're not traveling and

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Speaker 3: getting pins.

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Speaker 2: But you're still playing a ton of golf.

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Speaker 3: And to not have a perfect golf bag for your

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Speaker 3: game to at least help you in the best possible

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Speaker 3: way shoot your best score and play your best golf

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Speaker 3: is just simply, you know, kind of overlooking the important

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Speaker 3: part of what you want to do with your free times.

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Speaker 3: So the gapping is maybe a term you don't always

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Speaker 3: hear in and around the game, but I feel like

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Speaker 3: it's one of the most important things the everyday golfer

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Speaker 3: can do to help them make golf easier, which we're

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Speaker 3: all trying to do. And so kudos to you and

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Speaker 3: the team for the gaping app and trying to attack

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Speaker 3: this because I think it's really smart. And I think

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Speaker 3: the more people hear about this, the more they might

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Speaker 3: look in their own golf bag and.

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Speaker 2: Go, oh, I do I do? I do have a

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Speaker 2: thirty yard hole here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I know exactly. And you know, if if

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Speaker 1: nothing else, just be mindful of that cool data analysis

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Speaker 1: we did too, which is hey, between that one twenty

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Speaker 1: one sixty five, that's where you're hitting tons of shots.

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Speaker 1: So be mindful of your gaps there. Use some technology

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Speaker 1: to measure it if you can, or if you're open

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Speaker 1: to that, and go in find a pink fitter. Check

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Speaker 1: out that gapping app because it provides you that leverage,

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Speaker 1: like as if you know you're getting that full service

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Speaker 1: of a tour of a tour player.

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Speaker 3: And if you're a driving range owner, let's put a

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Speaker 3: green out there at one forty. Just put a target

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Speaker 3: out at one forty.

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Speaker 2: That's what we need going forward.

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Speaker 3: I'm Shane Bacon, that's Marty Jertson, and this is the

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Speaker 3: Pink prooven Grounds podcast