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Speaker 3: Let's row. Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 3: brought to you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 3: John shmulc Poldatina with you, joined by Jim Miller, Afternoon

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Speaker 3: Drive host on six x M NFL Radio, former NFL quarterback,

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Speaker 3: Once a Giant, always a Giant.

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Speaker 1: Jim, how are you man? It good to be with

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Speaker 1: you guys, And yeah, I know the Giants are probably

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Speaker 1: looking deep and hard at the quarterback spot. A year ago,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be McCarthy. They ended up

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Speaker 1: going myleak neighbors, and you're still looking for a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But I digress.

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Speaker 3: But at least the league neighbors is pretty good, so

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Speaker 3: at least they do it back.

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Speaker 1: Going for Yeah, he's a great player. So I want

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Speaker 1: to go here.

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Speaker 3: When you look at where the Giants are, what do

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Speaker 3: you think the best route is here? Is it going

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Speaker 3: for a veteran free agency, maybe a veteran in a trade,

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Speaker 3: going for one of these quarterbacks, maybe having to move

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Speaker 3: up ahead of the Browns to one to get the

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Speaker 3: quarterback of choice. What for you would be the best

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Speaker 3: route given where the Giants are in there development.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's going to be a little bit

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Speaker 1: of both. I think you would want to sign a

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Speaker 1: veteran to have the ability to really be the bridge guy.

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Speaker 1: And then if you draft a guy high you know

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Speaker 1: to be but you know you will get into these

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and are they ready to play? I think the

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Speaker 1: Giants got to win now. You know, you look at

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Speaker 1: the division. Washington obviously with what they did last year,

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Speaker 1: Philly Dallas has kind of taking a step back. But

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Speaker 1: I think for the Giants, they they've got to win now.

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Speaker 1: That's a very competitive division. I think, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to hurt Giants fans feelings out there. You'd

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Speaker 1: be rated fourth and you're really fourth at the quarterback spot.

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Speaker 1: Is what's hurting here, oh Giant fans?

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Speaker 3: Though you aren't hurting any fil And by the way,

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Speaker 3: Joe Jay was very clear about that when he spoke

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Speaker 3: to the media.

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Speaker 1: As well, get in here.

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Speaker 3: If you're lined up here, you got to go over

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Speaker 3: the middle with at the score great.

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Speaker 2: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but citizens does it makes sense of

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Speaker 3: your money with citizens official Bank of Eli Manning.

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Speaker 2: I find it odd, Jim that over the course of

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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks, and I actually here at

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Speaker 2: the combine, we're now hearing from a lot of the

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Speaker 2: folks who were here. There is a big separation between

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Speaker 2: Ward being the number one QB in terms of skill

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Speaker 2: set and talent and Sanders. But they didn't play anymore

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Speaker 2: games in the last two weeks and a month ago

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Speaker 2: it seemed like it was fifty to fifty. Why do

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Speaker 2: you think the perception has changed recently.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because to me, there's still a lot

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Speaker 1: of work to do. To me, Sanders has more playing

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Speaker 1: his dad and all that, I think that could warm

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Speaker 1: Ward kind of took the hit, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: why everybody's banging him for that. He only played a

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Speaker 1: half in his Bowl game. Don't get me started on well,

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Speaker 1: how is that who was banging on him for that?

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Speaker 1: At least he's played in the game. He played in

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Speaker 3: Chris McCaffrey didn't play it all in his final game, and

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Speaker 3: no one cares about that, now do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a trend that's been happening. So I give

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Speaker 1: who I'm intrigued about, and there's a couple of guys later,

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Speaker 1: is Jackson Dart is going to help himself. Jackson Dart

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Speaker 1: coached by Lane Kiffin. Saw him down and mobile. He

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Speaker 1: right play. He's a lot more mobile than you think,

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Speaker 1: and just his decision making. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: making that matters. And Jackson Dart can do all the

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Speaker 3: If you combine this quarterback class with last year's quarterback class,

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Speaker 3: how would you stack.

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Speaker 1: Him with last year's and this year? Yeah? To me,

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Speaker 1: the later rounders here are are are intriguing, the Seth Hennigans,

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Speaker 1: it's this is not a good class. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: no other way to say it. Guys are raw. They

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Speaker 3: There's another guy. I loved him down a Mobile. The

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Speaker 3: He's probably a second round pick. He's his run game.

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Speaker 3: You know, his ability with his legs is tremendous. But

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Speaker 1: And so he needs a lot of work. He's just

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Speaker 1: a raw player. And again the eight and three quarter

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Speaker 1: that's a problem with the with the small I hate

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Speaker 1: to say it, but oh it's no big deal. Yeah

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Speaker 1: it is a big deal. Go look at Dave Craig.

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Speaker 1: He's got the most fumbles in NFL history as a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and the guy played seventeen years. He had small hands.

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Speaker 1: Those traits are important for a reason. Are there certain outliers, Yes,

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Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson's Yeah, he's shorter, but he's an outlier.

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Speaker 1: He's an outlier. A lot of teams have a hard time.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a case support another player in mobile

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Speaker 1: look at it. We can't have a team full of outliers.

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Speaker 3: How would you stack Ward and Sanders against May Williams.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna got someone Nicks, Pennix, McCarthy and Dan.

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Speaker 1: Those guys last year to me are better. All six

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Speaker 1: Ward's arm all that. I think he's he's raw. But

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Speaker 1: at LSU under Brian Kelly and Brian Kelly we interviewed.

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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly said we didn't even emphasize his strengths because

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Speaker 1: they had neighbors and Thomas. It was all the down

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Speaker 1: the field throws he goes. We didn't even tap into

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Speaker 1: His first practice, Dude, he was nobody could go fishing

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Speaker 1: he showed a lot of growth. Oh yeah, a lot

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Speaker 1: to take him over over Neighbors. I really did, because

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Speaker 1: otherwise you may not be talking about quarterback this year

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Speaker 1: if you drafted him last year. And I get that

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Speaker 1: Neighbors is awesome, but you still have the same problem.

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Speaker 1: That's fair too.

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Speaker 2: There's one other quarterback that we didn't mention, kind of

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Speaker 1: And you're probably right, you know, because you want to

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Speaker 2: You played the position. Jim phil Simms has been telling

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Speaker 2: us for years that a lot of these arm strength

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Speaker 1: People think your arm is all there is Your arm

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Speaker 1: is just the whip. It's just the whip. The strength

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Speaker 1: and the power of your throats comes from your glutes,

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Speaker 1: your ass, it comes from your core, comes from your thighs.

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Speaker 1: Like Phil Simms, he's a big thick guy, big thighs, big,

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Speaker 1: The arm is just the whip. It's the last whip.

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Speaker 1: torque through. And then the arm is just the whip

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Speaker 1: and how it comes out. But it's the power of

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Speaker 1: your lower body and your core that really can accentuate

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Speaker 1: There are things on tape that you can glean from it,

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Speaker 1: So the quarterback, the coaching point is so like what

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Speaker 1: because that's his job. That's his job. How do you

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Speaker 1: It's his preparation. It's not the talent. Everybody knows. He's tough,

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Speaker 3: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

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Speaker 3: of crunch time football on your match, But if you're

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Speaker 3: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk

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Speaker 3: to Citizens.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I can also long care.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to learn about a familiar team.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I.

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Speaker 2: You know, Jim, I want to ask you a little

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Speaker 2: don't know how much Giants tape you've watched over the

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Speaker 2: understanding that the talent on offense was challenging because the.

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Speaker 1: Line has been awful. I mean, there is no way

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Speaker 1: to say it. Well, that's another way to say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: say Saquon, come up there, you fake that ride one

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