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Speaker 2: next guest, who I'm introduced right now is Sean Haggerty,

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Speaker 2: former Sergeant major, will be one of those next books. Now, Sean,

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Speaker 2: let me go over your introduction before we start talking. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sean Haggerty is a retired special operations soldier with over

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Speaker 2: twenty five years of experience. He spent his younger years

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Speaker 2: seventy fifth Ranger Regiment. After nine years, in two thousand

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Speaker 2: sixteen years and finished his military career retiring as a

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Speaker 2: Sergeant major. He received several awards and decorations throughout his career,

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Speaker 2: to include three Bronze Stars. Sean holds a bachelor's degree

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Speaker 2: American Public University. He currently works as a senior advisor

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Speaker 2: His wife, Misty, is an executive officer of the National

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Speaker 2: the youngest daughter, Delaney, is a criminals justice major at

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Speaker 2: James Madison. You set to graduate, are just probably just

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Speaker 2: graduated this May of twenty twenty four. Scose congratulation. What's up?

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Speaker 2: Class of twenty twenty four. His love for writing began

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Speaker 2: in the cold mountains of Afghanistan, the dusty deserts of Iraq,

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Speaker 2: And today we have Sean on the show to talk

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Speaker 2: and what he's doing today. Welcome to the show, Sewan.

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Speaker 3: Thanks glad to be here. Really appreciate you having making

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Speaker 2: You know, thanks for a wanting to be on the show.

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Speaker 2: We love that. That's the biggest important factor is someone

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Speaker 2: that wants to be on the show talk about where

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Speaker 2: they've come from, what they're doing today. And and you're

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Speaker 2: no different. You're just a normal dude that bleeds red

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Speaker 2: blood and you're like, what am I gonna do with myself?

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Speaker 3: I joined the military right after I graduated college. So

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, when I entered service. That's why I

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Speaker 2: Wow, first Batient seventy fifth Rage Richmond. And is that

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Speaker 2: the one that Colonel Nightingale helped to create. I just

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's pretty cool. I think I saw something on that.

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Speaker 2: what he created? Did you wear the mop tops?

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Speaker 3: Are you sign enough? Are are you getting ready to go?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Really, It's like, how do you How did you

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Speaker 2: Come on, come on, now here you are. You've gone

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, and then what was the next step

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Speaker 3: It's just stay out of trouble, give them a reason

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Speaker 2: see it. I see, I see my own day. Wife,

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Speaker 2: Why do you keep doing dumb shit? It's not dumb,

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Speaker 2: it's not dumb. No, we look up to that. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I just want you to know. Okay. And so anybody

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But if they were there and they saw the

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Speaker 2: That's funny. That's what you know. That's that's that's that's

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Speaker 2: gotta do now now when you go. Now, we mentioned

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Speaker 2: in your your brief you know, resume and your background bio,

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Speaker 2: So I see Sam, Sam sees his boots, boots are shined.

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Speaker 3: There you go. Perfect drawings are perfect?

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Speaker 2: no good just sitting inside of here. So and so

434
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Speaker 2: would you also think that would be a good way

435
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 2: for anybody that's aspiring to write, because there is a

436
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Speaker 2: lot of those that listen that have hit me up like, hey, Rad,

437
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,120
Speaker 2: do you have any publishing connections? I'm a writer. How

438
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 2: do I transition? Is that? Something you would also say

439
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 2: is just get it out off your chest right now? Yeah?

440
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,160
Speaker 3: Get it. I mean everyone's going to have their own

441
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,199
Speaker 3: methods for writing, right So, I mean, I've got ideas

442
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 3: right now from I was writing on the train this

443
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 3: morning a little bit, and I'm kind anxious finish works.

444
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 3: So I get back to it because I have some

445
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 3: ideas that you got in. But what I tell everybody

446
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,879
Speaker 3: is how I did it. My method was I framed

447
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,400
Speaker 3: the entire book Now, it doesn't mean the book went

448
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 3: that way. You know, I maybe think the first book

449
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 3: was thirty chapters and I had thirty notebook cards and

450
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 3: what I wanted to write about in each of those chapters.

451
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 3: Now getting there's anything right, Everything changes as you go along.

452
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 3: I went a little different direction here. I added a

453
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 3: character here and changed the character here. But as long

454
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Speaker 3: as you can overall kind of make a plan, make

455
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Speaker 3: a goal, That's what I kind of say to everybody

456
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 3: is and yeah, whatever the advice the guy gave about

457
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 3: editing is, I tell myself the same thing. I just

458
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,400
Speaker 3: start writing. I don't worry about the spelling. I don't

459
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,679
Speaker 3: worry about if intense was correct. What I tend to

460
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 3: do is I write a chapter, I get it in

461
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 3: the computer, I get it looking good, and I go on.

462
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 3: Once I get ten, I go all the way back

463
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 3: through and I kind of do a content content edit.

464
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 3: Did the whole story flow for those ten chapters, And

465
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Speaker 3: I'm using Jon's points example the next books a little longer.

466
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 3: Then I went through and I did a technical Hey,

467
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 3: it is all my tens is correct. And there's different

468
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 3: programs like word will catch them misspelling, but like if

469
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Speaker 3: you put it in like a Gmail. It'll catch different

470
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Speaker 3: types of It's like these different programs for spelling, other

471
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Speaker 3: and stuff, so some catch more than others and then

472
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Speaker 3: I go okay. Then I usually share it with family

473
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 3: and friends and go, okay, it makes sense to me

474
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 3: that it makes sense to you. So that really helped me,

475
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,199
Speaker 3: because you know, I've got some because it's not a

476
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 3: military book. I always put that out front, so psychological thriller.

477
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 3: It's fiction, but it's military formed. So my character I

478
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 3: use a lot of military stuff in it. I want

479
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: to make sure I've explained it that I have not

480
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 3: used too many acronyms or too many situations where I

481
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: just assume the reader knew because I knew, right. So

482
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: then I give it to non military. I give one

483
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 3: of my buddy's ranchering. He's worked the oil industry and

484
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 3: he's got cows, and so I send it to him

485
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,199
Speaker 3: so he's like, he's not no military connection, so he

486
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 3: can make sense. Hey, you need a little bit more here, buddy,

487
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 3: I didn't understand what you were talking about.

488
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Speaker 2: So that's at least my process. And we're talking about

489
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 2: the character is Dane Cooper. He is your your special

490
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 2: operations background character in the book who's finding himself in

491
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: all sorts of perilous situations where he has to go well,

492
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: he's being hunted by, you know, teams that are wanting

493
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Speaker 2: to stop him from going after what he's going after,

494
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: which is his daughter and the people that have taken

495
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to, like continue to spoil

496
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 2: the story, but fill me in, please a little bit

497
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: tell us about Dane and where he comes from.

498
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I tried to kind of capture this

499
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: book was, you know, obviously, like I said, military reforms,

500
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 3: there's only really a little bit with military you know.

501
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: That's when when she's kidnapped. That's in the back covered

502
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: the book. It's it's I tried to capture. You know.

503
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 3: My wife keeps joking, She's like, are you Jane Cooper?

504
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, first of all, I'm fifteen. I've

505
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 3: got to you know, I've got to already a knee replacement.

506
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: I ain't run it around that by that means yes,

507
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: But I tried to.

508
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 3: I tried to look at it and from from that

509
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: perspective of it of how would I react, how would

510
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 3: I feel, what would I do to what lengths would

511
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: I go to? You know what any father would go to?

512
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: So you try to capture some of his anks of

513
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 3: them trying to fill that void, always going to look

514
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 3: out for his daughter, but helping others find their kids

515
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: or just other people that have done wrong by children,

516
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: punishing them. That's they say in one of the lines

517
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 3: in the book is you know what happens if you

518
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: know you find them and the child is you know,

519
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 3: has been killed and we punish, you know. So that's

520
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 3: kind of what I wanted to really capture in that character,

521
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: is kind of that that that grieving parent, what lengths

522
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: they'll go to?

523
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the fact that he has those skill sets

524
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: just establishes that right off the front, so that you

525
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 2: know that.

526
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: And I try to remind people that, you know, the

527
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: club that they do not everybody's like him, right, the logisticians,

528
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 3: there's a lawyer, there's cops, there's people who do intel analysis. Right,

529
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: it's everybody bringing their skill sets together. And then Dan

530
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: he just happens to be brought on for his skill set.

531
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 3: But but there's many others. And I try to try

532
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 3: to show that throughout this book, and you'll see it

533
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 3: more in the second book, it kind of develops some

534
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 3: more of those kind of supporting characters and what their

535
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 3: contributions are. Right when he goes on a hit, someone's

536
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 3: got to get that someone's got to get that pistol,

537
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 3: someone's got to get that car. Someone's got to falsify

538
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: records of where he's located so he can't ever be incriminate.

539
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: You know, things like that you got to kind of

540
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 3: really think through, and you need a team. I always

541
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 3: joke with everybody. They're like, is it like the movie Taken?

542
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 3: And I'm like, first of all, no, great movie, Yeah,

543
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 3: great movie, But I go, what was the opening scene?

544
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: He was at a barbecue with like ten cia buddies

545
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: and his daughter's taken. I don't know why there wasn't

546
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 3: eleven plane tickets and why they're all not just all right,

547
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 3: That's what I would do. I grab all my grab

548
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: every duel kicker I could find. Let's go someone on

549
00:24:59,640 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: the trail.

550
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. It's just a different perspective. It's

551
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: just a different way, you know, like he captured, they

552
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: captured those inks of that father.

553
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, But that's what I kind of try to bring out,

554
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: And that's some of the military background. I think I

555
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: bring to this is even when, especially in the special

556
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: operations community, you know, a lot of glory goes to

557
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: the guys right at the tip of the spear, the

558
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: guys at that, you know, the other end of the barrel,

559
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 3: but you don't realize to get to that took maybe

560
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 3: fifteen twenty thirty people. But someone had to send food,

561
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: someone had to send bullets, someone had to ranked translations,

562
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: someone had to fix the weapons, someone had to make

563
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: sure all medical is done. People don't realize that sometimes

564
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: it's sometimes we don't either. I've met a lot of guys,

565
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: so it's a little selfishly. You don't realize how many

566
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: people are are are supporting you to do the ultimate mission.

567
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 3: It's not just you, It is a team behind you.

568
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 3: That's I kind of capture that theme in this in

569
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 3: this book. There's stuff he doesn't know and he can't do,

570
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: but others came to help, you know.

571
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 2: I love that actually because it kind of crosses over

572
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: into what we do all the time. You know, there's

573
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: people all around us that we don't recognize, our in

574
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: our corner and helping us get the mission done that

575
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 2: we do on a daily basis. You know, whether that's

576
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: a loved wife or a kid or you know, your

577
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: your pet getting on your podcast, whatever it is. They're

578
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: there to support you and your mission. And you've got

579
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: to appreciate that. And I love that you're going to incorporate,

580
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: you know, the team aspect as well as you know,

581
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 2: Dan Cooper. I'm just gonna keep saying the character's name, you.

582
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: Know, das out there some stuff alone.

583
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: But it's a good name.

584
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.

585
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. It took a while.

586
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 3: It was blank for a long time writing the book.

587
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 3: As I you know, people always kept suggesting names to

588
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 3: be here and there, and you know my dad he

589
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: wanted Shane. I'm like, Dad, No, that doesn't mean this

590
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 3: just doesn't fit here.

591
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 2: So Dying it is, Dad, Dying it is.

592
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 3: It is my book, Dad, go right through exactly.

593
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: Typewriters out tik tik TikTok teams. If anybody knows what

594
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: a typewriter is, go ahead and calm it down below.

595
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: I just I'll be curious. But the less.

596
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 3: Well, Actually I went even more old school. I wrote

597
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: it on yellow legal pads. I wrote the whole book.

598
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 3: He hand wrote it and then typed computer.

599
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: I've got a bigger version of this.

600
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: Yes, basically I wrote the whole thing and then I

601
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: typed it in the second book. My wife got tired

602
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: of watching me put my thing on a stand and

603
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: type in the computing and she bought me one of

604
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: those remarkables, and I use that and it just happened

605
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 3: the computer. But yeah, I think I got a whole

606
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: stack of them in my and my dad now from

607
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 3: the from the original book.

608
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: Oh bro, dude, I had to put the Franklin day

609
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 2: planner away, you know what I mean. I sit there

610
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: and I'll be on a call and I'll take a

611
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: call and I'll be like, let me write that down

612
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: real quick, and I'm like, you know what, hold on

613
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: one second, let me just type that into my phone.

614
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: There's such this old school still let me write it out.

615
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: And when I write something, I usually just really helped me.

616
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 3: Remember I've always been that way, so I always write

617
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: things out. Oh yeah, yeah, it's my mouth.

618
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: Wait, this pencil is not just a problem.

619
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I write.

620
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: On here, you see what I'm saying.

621
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 3: And in my office so I don't have all my

622
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 3: penciling around. I'm in a different facility.

623
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, you got this tie on what's going on?

624
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: With this tie.

625
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 3: Because yeah, it's my it's my University of Michigan time.

626
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 3: Because that is huh. Some of these events, they are

627
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: higher level. There's there's days I can get away with

628
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 3: a collar shirt and jeans. There's days where we got

629
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: a suit up. So today was a suit up day.

630
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: I need to write that down. There is a day

631
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: for a tie rad.

632
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: There's some days I get to tell work and I'll

633
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: be sitting in my pajamas at home and enjoying life too.

634
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: So yees, normally suit time when you're coming up to

635
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: the Pentagon, I do.

636
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I guess if I do go to the Pentagon,

637
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: I'll have to wear a suit and or tie. You'll

638
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: be you think I can just roll it like, hey,

639
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: how's it going everybody?

640
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: You actually kind of you could roll in just like

641
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: that rat.

642
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: You're just you, aren't you? And I'm like I am

643
00:28:50,200 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: all you sirs and ma'ms and dudes. That would be awesome.

644
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Kevin cost film the movie about the uh

645
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: Pentagon uh, where he was like that soldier and he

646
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: was like crawling through the shafts of it all.

647
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I forget. That was a good movie.

648
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Game the Spy, right, yeah he was,

649
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: it was, but you didn't think he was. But he

650
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: was no way out, no way that's right. There was

651
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: no way out. That's right.

652
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: It's amazing the things I forget in life. Yet I remember,

653
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: like movies. I remember like a song lyric for absolutely

654
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: no reason, but I can't remember the password for one

655
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: of my accounts, really, bro.

656
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: Or two exclamation points? What is it? What is it now? Now?

657
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: Joking aside, And you're cool, by the way, I just

658
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: want to let you know, like you're cool, dude. Your

659
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: second book that you're working on, is it going to

660
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: piggyback off of Dan Cooper?

661
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: Yep, it's going to keep.

662
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: Going, it is.

663
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: Huh, yes, it's I keep telling all my friends, Basket,

664
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: what's the next one? The next one? Like I'm working

665
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 3: on it first. You know, I got a day Ja

666
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: number two. I told him, I actually liked this book

667
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: even more because it gave me more freedom because the

668
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: first book, I love it, but I had to do

669
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: a lot of obviously set up. You know, get the

670
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: story going, you need background. You still get background the

671
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: second book. The second book starts going a little faster,

672
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: a little bit faster, so it's just a lot of

673
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: fun to write.

674
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: Sounds like going to be a possible like a series

675
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: or you know, it could be, it could be.

676
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: You know what My wife and I were talking about

677
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: that same thing too, and we had said is I'll

678
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: write about this character as long as people want to

679
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: read it. I also, though, never want to get to

680
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: a point where people look and go, oh god, another

681
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: Dany Cooper book. It's the same old crap, you know

682
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: what I mean. I don't want to be that kind

683
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: off because again, I've got I'd love to do this

684
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: as a livelihood, not there yet.

685
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: The only way you'll be that kind of author is

686
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: if you continue to do it, yeah, because if you

687
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: if you don't and you're like, I'll just be that author,

688
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: well we'll never know. So if if Dame Cooper should

689
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: be consistently you know, it's why can't I get rid

690
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: of Dane because he just doesn't want to go away? Bro?

691
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 3: Maybe not, maybe not, We'll see, we'll see how far

692
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: you can go. But yeah, maybe either way.

693
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you know there's some other spy But like

694
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: other books like kind of this book and these characters

695
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: that are out there, I would love to see some

696
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: authors cross the characters.

697
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, what I think there was one that did.

698
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: I can't remember. I'm here as a reader of a

699
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: lot of those. I was the same way. I was

700
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: always saying, to be kind of kind of cool. And

701
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: you see some of those those characters, you know, those

702
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: mit traps or the things.

703
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: What if you're in Paris at the same time the

704
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: other characters in Paris and your guys cross paths and

705
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: the guy that he remembers and recollexes the guy from

706
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: your book doing whatever he's doing through his mission, and

707
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: then he's trying to I mean, it would just be

708
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: really cool to cross over and.

709
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: Like, that'd be interesting. That'd be interesting. I'll keep that

710
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: in the back of my mind. If I get famous

711
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: one day and those guys will talk to me, I'll

712
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: see if they want to do across.

713
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this show right here, tell you is your idea.

714
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: It's gonna happen. The show is going to do it

715
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: right here, you know what I mean? Like Chief Finn

716
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: from Steel Fear and Cold Fear can be in the

717
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: same country at the same time as Dan Cooper and

718
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: at the pharmacy at the same time. There's a fight

719
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: and then they cross I don't know, just yeah, it'd

720
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: be pretty funny, it would, it would, and it would

721
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: make good for like a good TV too, if it

722
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: ever became a series and have all these like cross

723
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: platform things. Let's go, let's do it. Let's someone just

724
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: sign us up right now?

725
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, my emails open. I'm waiting to hear.

726
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: Sean's ready to go. He'll write about this character until

727
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: he can't anymore.

728
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: That's what's up.

729
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: I like it. I think that it should happen. And

730
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: then what are you just going to focus on writing

731
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: and your daytime job working for the d D who

732
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: had to approve your book by the way, right, Yeah.

733
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to prove the second one as well,

734
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: which I wasn't concerned. I didn't. The stuff that's in

735
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: there is realistic, but even like anything like tactics or

736
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: techniques or technology. I made it fifteen years old because

737
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: there's still people out there in the battlefield. There's still

738
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: people out there doing not again too. I've been off

739
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: for three years, so I probably don't know any of

740
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: the good stuff anymore, but I want to just make

741
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: sure so I you know, I know some people will

742
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: read it. You know, we're technically like.

743
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

744
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: You know he's talking about this technology that's like so yesterday,

745
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I did it on purpose because I

746
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: don't want to give away current technology and things that

747
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: are being used out there, right, So I don't want

748
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: to do that. So yeah, that this one will have

749
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: to go through to also because I hold a clarance

750
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: here in the Pentagon that we're supposed to. It's not

751
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: really a written rule that I have to, but it's

752
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: just good practice. So nothing coing back on you later.

753
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: I would agree. You know, you're like, hey, you know

754
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: what I hear. I wrote this book and I want

755
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: to publish it, and what do you think.

756
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: The problem is? The process can take Like I was lucky.

757
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: Mine only took four months. I have another guy he

758
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: said it took almost a year. And his was a

759
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: fiction book as well, and it was nothing. He wasn't

760
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: revealing anything. He says, a good year. And maybe it

761
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: was easier for that. Maybe I was just more persistent,

762
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: you know, hitting them up, hitting them up, hitting month.

763
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean that could really slow slow down

764
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: author of the publisher if you're finishing and then you

765
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: have to wait an entire another year.

766
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: Oh, they can seize your whole funds. Yeah. Yeah, I've

767
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: seen it to another friend of mine that wrote a

768
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: book and he put it out there and it did

769
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: really well, and they were like, you didn't clear it.

770
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 2: And they read it and they said, you didn't clear

771
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 2: it and this should have been cleared. And they kept

772
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: all of his lots of millions of dollars, damn millions,

773
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 2: not a dime.

774
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: Not make sure I keep sending it through.

775
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: It, sir, Yes, starry major, Yes, Sean, I would say, so,

776
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: you are doing it right right, holy cow, But he

777
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: did not. But he's still a good dude. I just

778
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: want to say that. And if he listens to this,

779
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: he knows who he is. Oh my goodness. So so

780
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: once we get this up on a soft rep, okay,

781
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: we can find your book? Is it like at Barnes

782
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 2: and Noble? Is it just on Amazon? Is the publishing

783
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: company putting it out there? Can we eventually see it

784
00:34:59,200 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 2: at the airport?

785
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? So right now it is available online. I know

786
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: of at least two Barnes and Nobles I think that

787
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: are in my area that already picked it up. We're

788
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: actually go check it out this weekend. If I find

789
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: it on the shelves, get some pictures with it. So

790
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: I think it's one of those. As it starts to

791
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: gain momentum, I'm hoping I've got two Barnes and Noble

792
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: book signings coming up again in my area, and then

793
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: I think a couple of little independent ones as well bookstores.

794
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: So basically, anybody, I'm at the point here is as

795
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 3: long as I can still keep my nine to five

796
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: here and not get fired, I'll never say no any

797
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: interviews or any show. I just did a Vets event

798
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: this weekend. We did a rocking for the Vets. We

799
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: raised money. We've had a battle of the bands. I

800
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: think you would have loved.

801
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: It, and then I would have loved it.

802
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: We just donated books and sold them and then donated

803
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: all the money back for canines Simper Canine back for

804
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 3: you know, dogs for marines and needs. So so any event,

805
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get out there and just get word

806
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: out and interact with people and tell them about the book.

807
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: You're cool, dude, I'm not even gonna lie. I interview

808
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 2: a lot of people and straight up right away, I'm

809
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: just like, whatever you want. I think it's good to

810
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 2: make you laugh. I think you got a good smile,

811
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: and I appreciate your heart and your selflessness to our

812
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: country and to the nation. And if no one's ever

813
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: told you that, I want to tell you that. And

814
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: so you know, you know, I know that you're busy

815
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: and you're at the Pentagon and and I don't want

816
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: to keep you long, so I think, okay, cool, and

817
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: I just want to say that it's just been, you know,

818
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: really cool, just to get to know you and to

819
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: hear your story from you know, a young man in

820
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: the military. And now you're writing a book. You know,

821
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 2: when you were young, were you writing books?

822
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 3: And I actually did. I just writing as a kid,

823
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: And I've tried to find it. The other day. My

824
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: mom brought me something like six months ago, when I

825
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 3: was getting ready to republish. She found like a book,

826
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: like a third grade project that I had written a

827
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: book and that they had got like a company to like,

828
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: you know, put a little plastic cover over it and

829
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 3: make it like in a real book and it'll stick

830
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: figures and crap and you know, very simple words. But

831
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: it was kind of funny to see. But no, I

832
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: didn't think I'd go into writing necessarily. But it's just

833
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: one of those things where I just start doing it

834
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: and enjoyed it. It was like, wow, I wonder if I

835
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: could make a limit of this.

836
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, Mark, Yeah, you're doing it. You're

837
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: doing it, and I mean I get it. You have

838
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: a day job, and you know, once this other job

839
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: steps up, you may have to walk off the plank

840
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: and take the deep plunge into the sea of being

841
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: an author and just owning that space. And you know,

842
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: I had to do that. I was working a day

843
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: job and it was security. I had a paycheck every

844
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: two weeks, benefits, and then I was like, well, my

845
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: business that I've been doing on the side has been

846
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: rising higher and I have to step off of this

847
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: security blanket here that has been taking care of me

848
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: and still could stock options the whole nine yards. But

849
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 2: now I just run my airsoft war games and do this.

850
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: That's it. I got to ses that's great. Yeah, that's

851
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: the same thing I'm kind of doing right now. I'm

852
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: able to do it. I mean right now, like I said, yep,

853
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: I am probably reading that bio. I mean, I have

854
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 3: a forty five minute bus or metro ride in Yeah,

855
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: I'm not driving, I'm writing. I got a forty five

856
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: minute bus metro home. I'm writing evenings, I can do

857
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 3: some editing, I can do interviews, I can do anything. Weekends,

858
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: I do events and then even like this, my boss

859
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: is very supportive. So if I got to step out

860
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: for an hour, I blocked off twelve thirty to one

861
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: thirty here on the East Coast. No problems, absolute, no problems.

862
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: Yes, and even Hey, I'm just doing this all my lunchtime.

863
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm not even bothering nobody. Yeah, I just you know,

864
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: I'm doing this thing. Hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm just

865
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: getting me done. Yeah, exactly done. Break It's working out.

866
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: But if it does take over, if it got bigger, yeah,

867
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 3: I would definitely have to step away from this and

868
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: consentraint full time on that. But for right now, I

869
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: got to keep the warnings.

870
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: Its going one hundred percent and and living in Virginia.

871
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: I heard it's Virginia is for lovers.

872
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: Yes, Virginia is also extremely expensive and crowded. It is.

873
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: So you go from you go from Virginia to DC.

874
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: Is that where the pinic rightagon?

875
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I'm just I'm in northern

876
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: Virginia and the shoot up DC's fifteen twenty miles away.

877
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: It's not as far as Virginia Beach from where you're at.

878
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 3: So it's about two and a half hours south and east.

879
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I've been there.

880
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to go down to almost Richmond and

881
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: then head towards the coast.

882
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: Like the Atlantic Fleet was over there. I was doing.

883
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: I was down there for something during that time.

884
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: Cool, that's interesting. Yeah.

885
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: And then I was up at the VR with soft REP,

886
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: which is the Virginia International Raceway. Oh yeah, yeah, there's

887
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: all I've been there.

888
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 3: I've been there.

889
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some green Berets that live out there and

890
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: they got a hooch and it's all set up with

891
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: a firing range and they just wake up and do

892
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: trainings with folks. And we got a whole bunch of

893
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: people to go out with soft Rep and they got

894
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: trained by an sas friend of ours and a couple

895
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: of sniper instructors from the Seal Tags like Brandon Webb

896
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: and some of his friends Eric, Eric Davis, and we yeah,

897
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: Virginia and every time we would go through this road,

898
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: I think I stayed in Danville and we'd always go

899
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 2: through like Virginia's for Lovers and then all of a Sudden,

900
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: North Carolina and then Virginia's for lovers. And then and

901
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: I would just look at my buddy in the back seat,

902
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: Big Phil, and he's about six foot three and I'm

903
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: about six foot five, and I just kept looking at him.

904
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, I guess it's for lovers, bro, It's just

905
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: for lovers. So my that's my behind the joke of

906
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: Virginia is for lovers.

907
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, they used to Actually, I don't know if they

908
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 3: do any more. VR. They used to be a driving

909
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 3: course out there.

910
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: It's so we did the blindfold, so like pretending your

911
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: eyes got obliterated and you couldn't see, and someone was

912
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 2: driving or the dude in the passengers seat was driving,

913
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 2: and then you had to stay on the gas pedal.

914
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: And it was in a car, and I was filming

915
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: the whole thing, and these guys are all and I'm like,

916
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 2: what content. Give me some content. This guy can't see

917
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 2: he's trying to drive. Give me some content.

918
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: That's pretty funny, wow man.

919
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then it didn't film, and he's like, just

920
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: get that. I was like, yeah, next, it's good thing.

921
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: There's like thirty of us doing it, and they all

922
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: have turns to go through this driving course and this

923
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: kind of like you know, tactical seminar. People who had

924
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: never joined or maybe had joined, just wanted to like

925
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: kind of exploit their senses on this type of shooting

926
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: driving and you know, three day course. It was what

927
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: it was pretty.

928
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: Film very cool.

929
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well listen, I think that you're pretty cool.

930
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: And I think that your book, Jones Point, should just

931
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: take off and fly off the shelves and people should

932
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: go get it and they should read it and leave

933
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: you a review wherever they bought it from, or on Amazon,

934
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: if you're selling it on Amazon, leave a review for

935
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: the author. It really goes a long way. I just

936
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 2: want to voice that out there. And Dame Cooper, cool name,

937
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: cool character. Yeah, you're welcome, You're welcome. And you know,

938
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 2: I noticed that I braided my beard before we got

939
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: on and I see that it's like gray and red

940
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: now and I'm seeing like a rattlesnake's tail happening. Oh wow,

941
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: that's life, bro.

942
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 3: We all age can't stop it.

943
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: No, we can't. And with that said, go outside, get

944
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: some exercise, go enjoy the weather, Go soak yourself in

945
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: a lake somewhere and have some nature surround you. You know,

946
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: if you're going to the VA, ask your your people

947
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: for a physical uh, recreational therapy before they start giving

948
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: you pills. Say, is there anything recreational that I can

949
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: go do? Like maybe you know, skiing or rock climbing,

950
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: or riding a bike or you know rowing a boat, uh,

951
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: playing catches, baseball something like that with some somebody. You know,

952
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 2: that's recreational therapy. I just want to put that out

953
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: there and also make sure that you're checking out. You know,

954
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: these vfws they help you with finding benefits. If you're

955
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: a member out there that has a rating and you're

956
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: not sure what you're supposed to do with that rating,

957
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: just look into the VFW They do a free help

958
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: and assessment and no one's charging your fees to get

959
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: you your benefits. So that you get your benefits because

960
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: everybody goes in at the same time a the VA.

961
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: Once you submit, you're in and and and again. I

962
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: just want to thank uh former Sergeant Major Sean Haggard

963
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: his time, his tenure in the military in the first

964
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 2: of the seventy fifth, twenty five years, you know, waking

965
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: up every morning, get ready to pet thank you for

966
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: doing that. And that was rough. Now I'm thinking about

967
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: you as a sergeant major from when we were soldiers.

968
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,479
Speaker 2: When he's all walking down, he's like, yeah, good good morning,

969
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: Sargeant Major say get out of my face.

970
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 3: Yeah I love that, But what was the other one? Nice? Well,

971
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: now you're a weather man.

972
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: Now you're a weather man. Well on behalf of all

973
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: of us here, s O Major. I really want to

974
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: say thanks for being on the show. You're welcome back anytime.

975
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: We'll talk about your next book or TV series that

976
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: gets picked up because Hollywood's out there, and I just

977
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: want to say thanks again. Enjoy your day in DC.

978
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: And this is RAD saying peace from all of us here. Safrev.

979
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: Thanks very, I appreciate it.

980
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: Anytime you've been

981
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,160
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