WEBVTT - Seven Long Years 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.640 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to bok Up Daily with 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:21.360 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:26.280 When I recorded Friday's show, the news had not yet 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:32.040 broken about Trump's indictment by the Manhattan District Attorney on 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:36.680 what we now to believe at least thirty different charges 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.040 related to the hush money payment to Stormy Daniels. And 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:44.720 let me tell you, folks, lord, last week started out 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:50.960 like trash, with the horrific shooting in Tennessee, with the 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:55.639 horrific trans bills, with just you know, it was just 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.040 a heavy fucking week. So I gotta say for those 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.600 that were in the media that we're telling folks now 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.839 is not the time to celebrate. This is a sober occasion. 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:07.720 Blah blah blah fuck that I hope that you all 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.959 popped bottles all weekend long, because we have been waiting 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:15.319 seven long years for this moment. Now we know, right 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.959 this is not an episode of law and order, And sadly, 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.640 the trial and diet all of this stuff will not 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:23.720 be wrapped up by the end of the month or 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.200 the end of this year. That this is going to 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.840 be a much longer process. There will be opportunities for 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.319 Trump stooges to be able to appeal, They'll be all 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.880 these things. But what we do know is that tomorrow 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:41.440 Donald Trump is scheduled to be arraigned, fingerprinted, and mug shotted, 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.319 if that's actually a word in New York. Now, I 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.080 have to tell you something that I think is beautiful 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.680 about this moment, which is that this is as far 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.320 as we've ever gotten with Donald Trump. I want folks 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.320 to really like wrap their minds around this, which is 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:04.080 that for years, for decades, Donald Trump has been operating 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:09.560 a criminal enterprise in business. He has been sued multiple times, 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.119 he has faced fines, he has had to shutter Trump University. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:18.600 But this is the first time that Donald Trump is 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:23.799 being criminally indicted. Right, this is the first time that 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:29.840 a former president is being criminally indicted. Because what did 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:34.320 we learn through the Mulla report is that Robert Mueller 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:40.680 found ten ways in which Donald Trump obstructed justice, ten 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.920 ways right in which Donald Trump broke the law, but 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:48.600 through the guidelines of the Department of Justice, they were 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:53.000 not going to indict a sitting president. Now, I have 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.480 said on this show and many others that that was 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.240 all good and fine, if that's your fucking bullshit rule. 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.840 But Merritt Garland, once Merritt Garland was sworn in as 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.200 the Attorney General of the United States, had already had 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.880 all of Muller's work on his desk and could have 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:15.359 pursued those indictments on those charges that led to his 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:19.280 second impeachment as soon as Donald Trump took off in 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.720 that helicopter and left the south lawn of the White House. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.520 But he didn't. Had he done that, maybe we wouldn't 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.919 have ended up where we are right now. But nonetheless, 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.000 it is safe to say that I do not believe 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:37.720 that Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan DA would be bringing charges 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:42.040 that did not carry any weight to go through what 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:46.240 is going to be attempts upon his life, whether it 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.640 is real or imagine via social media or like the 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.560 letter that he received a couple of weeks ago after 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.320 Donald Trump said that he was supposedly going to be 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.520 arrested on that Tuesday. We know that the judge that 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.120 we believe has been assigned to this case is also 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:11.120 going to receive death threats. New York City is currently 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:15.320 and has been since the weekend, bracing itself because in 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.520 New York is like, so we're not going to fuck 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.359 around and have a surprise quote unquote insurrection in the 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.720 way that Washington, DC did. And I just want folks 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.599 to let this sit with you for a minute. That 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:33.360 the indictment of a former president of the United States 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:38.200 who just did a rally in Waco, Texas on the 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:44.200 thirtieth anniversary of Waco, right where it has become this 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:48.160 signifying place for white supremacists and white nationalist and Donald 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.360 Trump knew exactly what the fuck that he was doing 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.839 to summon in the presence of this cult leader and 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.080 at the site of a place where eighty people were 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.520 killed right after following this cult leader who was a 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:07.000 pedophile and molesting and abusing children. But this is where 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.920 Donald Trump chose to have his rally, and there he 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.719 had his hand over where I assume he believes his 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:19.800 heart is having the January six choir, bunch of insurrectionists 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:25.160 singing the national anthem, showing pictures of January six, because 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.240 that is a moment that Donald Trump is proud of. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.039 Every analyst that has been on television said, I really 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.839 hope that the Department of Justice is paying attention because 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.880 Donald Trump wants to say that he had nothing to 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:38.880 do with January six and the outcome and the insurrection, 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.000 blah blah blah. All I did was give a speech. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:45.360 And yet he is using January six and the imageries 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:51.080 of you know, his followers beating, abusing, and ultimately killing 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.480 police officers. People died that day, and Donald Trump is 0:05:55.600 --> 0:06:01.240 using it as his rallying cry. Because of that, the 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.800 New York City Police Department is on high alert and 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:10.920 they are putting up barricades and all officers are on deck. Right, 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.880 So what does that say to you? It says to 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:17.599 me that Donald Trump is fucking dangerous, right, So I'm 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:22.719 confused again why we even have people pontificating in the news. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.080 Is trying to fake connect the dots that are evident. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.960 If the police did not believe that Donald Trump could 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:34.800 in fact incite a mob, that Marjorie Taylor Green, who 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.760 is going to find her way to New York tomorrow, 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:42.480 that these people are not capable of violence and inciting 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.839 people to violence, right then there would be no need 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.760 for the precautions that the New York Police Department is 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.640 taking right now. And I want that to sit with people, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.680 because this is not normal, right, It is also not 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.120 normal for us to have had a criminal as a 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.680 president of the United States. But we have known long since. 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.599 Those people who lived in New York knew who the 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:09.960 fuck Donald Trump was, right, knew who he has always been. 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.720 So you know, we are living inside of history right now. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.800 And like I said, this is not a law and 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.880 order episode, and this is going to play out over 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:25.680 the course parallel to the twenty twenty four presidential election, 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.880 which is fucking wild because apparently we live in a 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.760 developing nation. I don't fucking know. One of the most 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.840 interesting things too, that came out of the announcement around 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.800 the indictment is Ronda Santis's post that he did on 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:48.320 Twitter which said that he would not cooperate with authorities 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.880 and be a part of any extradition of Donald Trump 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.880 from Mara Lago, which is in Florida with his current 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:59.840 residence to New York. So Rohnda Santis is not interested 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.240 in following the rule of law. Republicans in general are 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:07.800 not interested in law and order and the fact that 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:13.640 a sitting governor would defy court orders because they honestly 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.160 believe that they are above the law. Right so, because 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:18.960 they don't like the way that the law is being 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.440 applied right now, they're like, oh no, we don't have 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.240 to follow those rules. But when they were all chanting 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.680 lock her up, lock her up, which came up with nothing, 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.000 zero indictments, all of their investigation into Benghazi, all of 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.080 these things come up with fucking goose eggs, they still 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:39.640 chant lock her up, lock her up. Any normal political 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.520 party right now would be you can champion Donald Trump 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.439 and say we are going to see how this plays 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.800 out because we know that the evidence is going to 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.960 prove that Donald Trump is innocent. But that's not what 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:55.480 these Republicans are doing, right. They're calling out the entire 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:58.600 system and saying it's a far saying that Alvin Bragg 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.200 is a political hack. There you using anti Semitic terminology 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:06.760 and summoning George Soros right as their code word for 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.520 anti Semitic Jewish backing money, which is what it is 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.400 that they are implying when they keep using Soros's name. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.400 But they don't want the systems to work. They want 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.400 the systems to break. They want democracy itself to break 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.560 so that they can do what it is that they want, 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:35.160 which is civil war two point zero insurrection two point zero, right, 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:39.439 now the chatter on the far right wing sites is 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:44.360 about acceleration, which I learned over the weekend on MSNBC 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.239 that acceleration for them means that they need to accelerate 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.280 the destruction and the breakdown of systems and the breakdown 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.520 of governments at all levels. Right. They need to accelerate 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.480 the destruction so that they can rebuild their white supremacist 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:05.160 fantasy model. We are living in a wild, wild fucking time, folks. 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.440 That is all I can say. And you know, I 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.920 will continue to remind people that while you are taking 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:13.880 this in and you may have been popping popcorn and 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.720 drinking drinks and watching the news all week, and do 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:21.760 understand that you do your body a disservice when you 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.120 do not take breaks, when you do not get outside, 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:28.239 when you do not connect with nature, walk, have movement, anything. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:32.880 Even this type of energy, even if it is celebratory, 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.160 it really is showing where America is right now, and 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.200 it is not in a good place. So truly be 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.760 mindful of how you take in the news over the 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.440 next couple of days, next couple of weeks, months, and 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:50.600 the year ahead. Coming up next, my pre taped conversation 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.800 with our good friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, 0:10:55.360 --> 0:11:04.240 to discuss his feelings around the shooting in Tennessee, which 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:10.599 the victims have said shooting were brought to his university's 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:16.920 campus and so how that surreal situation landed on him 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.800 and where he thinks we are in the gun debate. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:26.040 That conversation is coming up next, folks. You know that 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.080 whenever I have the opportunity to be joined by our 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.600 friend in house, our in house doctor at woke affidaily, 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.640 doctor Jonathan Metzel, author of the book Dying of Whiteness, 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.119 I'm always pleased. But yet we never have a conversation 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.240 about anything that is good. We never talk about puppies, 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.960 we never talk about sprinkles or sparkles. Everything is always 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:52.040 about death and destruction, and unfortunately this week is no different. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:57.840 But Jonathan, I will say this that when the shooting 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:02.079 took place in Tennessee, you're one of the first people, 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.960 obviously that I thought about, because that is where you 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.760 spend half of your time, if not a majority of 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:13.720 your time as a professor at Vanderbilt University. And I 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:20.880 just want to get your reaction to the shooting that 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.640 claimed the lives of three children and three adults, as 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.920 well as the shooter, the unfolding of protests that have 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:33.199 been happening in Tennessee. Just your feelings first and foremost 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:40.800 about this another American travesty, another American school shooting. I mean, 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:51.720 it's my feelings range from traumatized, too exhausted, too angry, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:56.440 to energized given what happened today over recording this on 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.400 a day where there were huge numbers of students that 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:03.280 protests at the Nashville State House. And so I can 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.520 just tell you, I mean I was at work on Monday, Yeah, 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:11.760 and in Nashville, we were no strangers to multiple victim 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.600 gun violets. I mean, we've had lots of shootings, We've 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:18.280 had lots of kids getting shot. This is a year 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.079 where we've had a lot of kids shot. But I 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.600 don't know, I just there was a moment on Monday 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:27.079 where first we started hearing all the sirens, and then 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.359 we heard all the helicopters. And at first the sirens 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.320 were going away from us, and then really quickly the 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.840 sirens were coming toward us. And what that meant was 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:41.200 that the people at this shooting, two miles away from work, 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:46.720 were being brought to the Vanderbilt Hospital, and so it 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.680 just I've never seen our campus like this. Honestly, it 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:54.719 just went quiet. It was like pale and blanched and 0:13:55.040 --> 0:14:00.000 in shock everywhere, and so people were just either didn't 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.760 know what to say or they were checking their phones 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.920 to make sure their kids were okay. And a lot 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.400 of people have their kids in school there or nearby, 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:12.680 so this was this really hit close to home, really 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.120 close to home for a lot of people. And then 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:19.080 I just think that there's something about kids in school 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.520 getting shot that is just unfathomable, Like it just honestly 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:27.320 doesn't mean you just can't process. First of all, who 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:31.520 would do that? But second, like parents drop off their 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:35.880 kids at school, assuming they're putting them into another safe space, 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:40.640 and so just this trauma, this fear of not being 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:45.960 safe there is just so so palpable. And even for 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.240 me who's studied mass shootings for a long time, but 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.280 watching this play out, I just I can just say 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.360 that it was there was something about this shooting that 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:02.080 really hit a nerve. Before then the entire shooting jumped 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:06.640 right into the entire culture ward polarized politics, which is 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.360 kind of how it's been playing out now, you know, 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.280 Jonathan will One. You know, I'm just I don't is 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.680 sorry is not even the word that you had to 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:21.920 experience that and are going to still be experiencing the trauma, right, 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.520 because that's what this is. Right. We are a nation 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:29.320 that is traumatized consistently, Rinson repeat, from gun violence, from 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.680 mass shootings, from school shootings. But I think that to 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.640 know that those victims were coming to your campus to 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.840 the hospital, and then to know later that they were 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.720 all pronounced dead is just beyond you know. And I've 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:47.120 been interviewing and talking to folks that are saying they 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.600 are parents, and they're saying to me that the scariest 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.600 time of day nowadays is dropping their kids off at 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.680 the bus stop or dropping them off at school. And 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.040 that's not like, this is not hyperbole, right, it is 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.640 the fear of what it means to live in the 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.320 United States that is uniquely you know, a part of 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:14.800 our experience. And so I guess the question that I 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:19.880 have for you right now is Tennessee is a gun state, right. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.160 It is a state where the governor you know, recently 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.880 loosened you know, whatever what was left of gun laws 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:32.040 in that state. And so when you see the protests 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.920 that are unfolding, and you see the parent that went 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.520 viral for jumping in front of the cameras and saying 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.080 to reporters, aren't you sick of this? Aren't you sick 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.720 of covering this? What's the energy of the people in 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:51.080 Tennessee right now? I would say it's honestly divided. I 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:55.280 mean very clearly, and you just see it so personally 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:59.640 and again, like, my trauma is nothing compared to the 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.520 trauma that happened two miles away, or the trauma of 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.520 people who didn't know if their kids were going to 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.440 come home or their you know, spouse was going to 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.359 come home. But but first, I would just say that 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.000 being in this experience, it makes you see how trauma 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:21.080 ripples outward in a way like a blast radius, where 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:25.760 everybody kind of feels some connection to this. And so 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:31.960 I would just say first people were commonly and communally traumatized, 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:38.679 and then that it was a woman mass shooter, or no, 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:43.160 it was a mass shooter who would identified as transgender 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.040 or whatever. Like it's just all these pieces came out 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:50.240 that were so linked to already the divisive politics of Tennessee, 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.000 where I can just tell you factually trans people are 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.879 not going around attacking people, and yet and they are 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.359 much more likely to be under attack and victims, and 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.400 they're being victimized by the state apparatus now And so 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.160 all of a sudden, it just jumps so quickly into 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.960 the can call it the culture wars or the divisive politics, 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:14.720 and then all of a sudden, you were on one 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:19.040 side or another. And so even though, of course guns 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.800 themselves are very polarizing issues, but this shooting also highlighted 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.560 how mass shootings don't happen in a vacuum, and that 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.840 gun politics link to politics of race and gender in America, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.720 and so all of a sudden, we were like on 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.359 an on steroids version of the divisive politics that have 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:41.040 been dividing Tennessee anyway. Now, I will say they're a 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.000 fair number of people I know who were gun owners 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:47.200 who feel always that a mass shooting makes them more 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.879 pro gun like. They feel like their biggest fear is 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.199 that something like this will happen and they won't have 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.359 their gun available, or that only bad guys have guns, 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:01.720 but good guys have guns regulated. On the other hand, 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:07.720 we've we had thousands of students literally take over the 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:14.400 Statehouse today demanding change, saying enough is enough, and I 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.320 am really honestly torn. I'll just be really honest with you. 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.520 I'm really torn because I want there to be changed, 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.879 and I feel like we're facing an issue right now 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:29.480 that then it's just as a big issue and the 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.679 answer is that we have there's no answer. There's no 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:36.240 easy answer right now, you know, even like let's say 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.640 that the protesters get their way and we have red 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:44.160 flag laws and we have background checks, I mean background 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:48.119 checks as one example is a point of sale intervention, 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.320 Like when you go to buy a gun, they do 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.560 a background check, but we already have four hundred and 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.639 fifty million guns in this country, and so even a 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.040 background check is not going to stop mass shootings. And 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.600 so I just I feel like there's this there's just 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.800 this divide. I mean, what we're calling for it just 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:11.159 feels so basic. It's just almost like an acknowledgement of 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:12.960 how hard this problem is. And I don't mean to 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.800 sound defeated on I want there to be positive steps, 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.440 but I would just say it's just like, you know, honestly, 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.280 like fuck, how do we get here? You know? Yeah, 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:28.359 it's really how it feels. Yep, you know, It's funny 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:33.840 because the other day I interviewed Medi Hassan from MSNBC 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.240 and he had an interesting point that he made, and 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:39.440 I want to run it past you where he said, 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:43.760 you know, the right is already on their grievance trip 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:48.840 about you know, the left trying to take their guns 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.359 and repeal the Second Amendment. And he's like, fuck it, 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:56.640 Why don't we have more conversations about repealing the Second Amendment? 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.480 Why don't we start to have policy conversations about the 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:03.560 fact that, like the Second Amendment was never about having 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:09.200 access to military grade weapons. Why don't we say that 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:13.240 the Second Amendment, it is time for it to be reevaluated. Right? 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:17.280 What do you think about that argument? Because to your point, 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:22.200 background checks are about people who are going to purchase guns. 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.320 It is not about the four hundred and fifty million 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:28.639 that have already proliferated this nation. Right, Like, you know, 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:32.200 you can do mental health checks and have red flag laws, 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.760 but the reality is is that we need to take 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:38.120 the guns. So, like that's the real shit, right, Like 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.040 the AAR fifteens and the weapons of war, they need 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.959 to be confiscated, they need to be taken, right, and 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:45.960 there needs to be a ban on them, and there 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:50.000 needs to be you know, high penalties for selling them, 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.760 for owning them, and that just needs to be the call. 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.080 And so this whole kind of playing around the edges, 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.080 I think that we're past this. So I wanted to 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:04.080 get your thoughts on what medi you know posed. I mean, 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.040 it sounds great, just like expending the Supreme Court sounds great, 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.000 and many other things sound great. And I can also 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.320 tell you living in Tennessee that it's not going to happen. 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.520 So I think it's great. I think it's great as 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:21.399 a strategy. I would I don't. I don't. I just 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:27.720 I mean, I'm all for pushing the envelope here, you know, 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:31.439 I'm all for thinking radically. I think there's a common 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:35.240 sense on the left that we're proposing Honestly, it's just 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:37.840 not working, right, I mean right, I mean that was 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.800 his point. It's it's it's we're we're coming to we're 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.919 coming to a gun battle with facts and a policy paper, 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:47.320 and they're coming literally with bazuokas. But the other thing 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:51.159 is even the interventions we support, I don't know. I 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.159 just feel like we have a really shitty tool kit, 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.040 to be honest, if you're if you're arguing for background checks, 0:22:56.040 --> 0:23:00.480 for example, background checks king people, who are the histories 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.600 of incarceration? Um, that's what that's what a background check. 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.760 It's a federal database. Um that pings somebody with an incarceration. 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.760 So who do you think gets pinged on a background check? Um? 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:14.919 And if a red flag law, we're all out there 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.960 arguing for red flag laws, but a red flag law 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.760 is basically inviting the police to do a welfare check 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.880 on your relative. It's inviting the cops into your home. 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.200 So who's going to get wary? Who's going to be 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.600 aware of that? So there are racial politics on all 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.520 sides of what we're proposing. So I think there are 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:36.320 many reasons why I think we should rethink public health 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:38.560 based gun reform because I just don't think we've said 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.800 so long it's common sense, it's not common sense and um, 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:47.000 and so I'm all for rethinking this. Um. I just 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:50.880 i'd rather I mean, and I'm happy to be bombastic 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:54.920 and challenging, but I just can't see, at least where 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:59.040 I live, I can't see that taking people's guns away 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.239 is gonna light to a good outcome. I mean, you know, 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.800 but here's the thing, because I am trying desperately to 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.440 find a hopeful place on this issue. Well, let me 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:11.159 just say something though, because I mean, for me, the 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.400 issue is you have to see guns in a bigger context. Right, 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.639 Why are there so many guns? It's not just because 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.440 of failed public health strategies, because the right had a 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.639 as you and I've said a million times here, a 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:27.640 fifty year strategy that like that meant seating the courts 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:32.480 with judges and winning elections like it's it's the reason 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:34.199 there are so many guns is because there are so 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:38.560 many judges and candidates. It's like a fifty year strategy. 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:40.320 And I don't know, you and I've talked about this 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:43.240 a lot. We need a long game strategy. If we 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:50.080 could turn the anger and frustration now into Okay, I'm 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:53.639 gonna say something kind of weird. Good, But I study 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:56.680 gun form. But when I hear the people say on TV, 0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.800 and I've probably said it too, oh like eight percent 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.119 people support background checks, and I just want to scream 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:06.080 when I honestly hear people say that, because it's probably true. 0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:08.600 I would be probably eighty percent of people do support 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.199 background checks. But that doesn't mean that eighty percent of 0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:14.119 people are going to vote as single issue voters in 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:17.359 an election based on background checks. It means that they 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:21.800 support background checks, but that's not how they're voting, honestly, 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:25.640 and so I think the issue is the right. If 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:29.160 they do gun rights, people just vote based on gun rights, 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:33.080 and that means that pro gun NIRA politicians, even before Jerremandering, 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:35.080 were never afraid they were going to get voted out 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.800 of office. Yep. I just think we need to broaden 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.160 the frame because the minute you people start fearing they're 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:42.400 going to get voted out of office for this position, 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:45.399 that's when things will change. Honestly, that's when all of 0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:47.120 a sudden things are going to be on the table. 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:49.120 But it's not the case. There's no threat that people 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.000 are going to get voted out, at least where I live. 0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:54.640