1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to bok Up Daily with 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: When I recorded Friday's show, the news had not yet 4 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: broken about Trump's indictment by the Manhattan District Attorney on 5 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: what we now to believe at least thirty different charges 6 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: related to the hush money payment to Stormy Daniels. And 7 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: let me tell you, folks, lord, last week started out 8 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: like trash, with the horrific shooting in Tennessee, with the 9 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 1: horrific trans bills, with just you know, it was just 10 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: a heavy fucking week. So I gotta say for those 11 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: that were in the media that we're telling folks now 12 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: is not the time to celebrate. This is a sober occasion. 13 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah fuck that I hope that you all 14 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: popped bottles all weekend long, because we have been waiting 15 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: seven long years for this moment. Now we know, right 16 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: this is not an episode of law and order, And sadly, 17 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: the trial and diet all of this stuff will not 18 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: be wrapped up by the end of the month or 19 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: the end of this year. That this is going to 20 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: be a much longer process. There will be opportunities for 21 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: Trump stooges to be able to appeal, They'll be all 22 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: these things. But what we do know is that tomorrow 23 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is scheduled to be arraigned, fingerprinted, and mug shotted, 24 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: if that's actually a word in New York. Now, I 25 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: have to tell you something that I think is beautiful 26 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: about this moment, which is that this is as far 27 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: as we've ever gotten with Donald Trump. I want folks 28 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: to really like wrap their minds around this, which is 29 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: that for years, for decades, Donald Trump has been operating 30 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: a criminal enterprise in business. He has been sued multiple times, 31 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 1: he has faced fines, he has had to shutter Trump University. 32 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: But this is the first time that Donald Trump is 33 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: being criminally indicted. Right, this is the first time that 34 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: a former president is being criminally indicted. Because what did 35 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: we learn through the Mulla report is that Robert Mueller 36 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: found ten ways in which Donald Trump obstructed justice, ten 37 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: ways right in which Donald Trump broke the law, but 38 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: through the guidelines of the Department of Justice, they were 39 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: not going to indict a sitting president. Now, I have 40 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: said on this show and many others that that was 41 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: all good and fine, if that's your fucking bullshit rule. 42 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: But Merritt Garland, once Merritt Garland was sworn in as 43 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: the Attorney General of the United States, had already had 44 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: all of Muller's work on his desk and could have 45 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: pursued those indictments on those charges that led to his 46 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: second impeachment as soon as Donald Trump took off in 47 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: that helicopter and left the south lawn of the White House. 48 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: But he didn't. Had he done that, maybe we wouldn't 49 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: have ended up where we are right now. But nonetheless, 50 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: it is safe to say that I do not believe 51 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: that Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan DA would be bringing charges 52 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: that did not carry any weight to go through what 53 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: is going to be attempts upon his life, whether it 54 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: is real or imagine via social media or like the 55 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: letter that he received a couple of weeks ago after 56 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump said that he was supposedly going to be 57 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: arrested on that Tuesday. We know that the judge that 58 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: we believe has been assigned to this case is also 59 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: going to receive death threats. New York City is currently 60 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: and has been since the weekend, bracing itself because in 61 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: New York is like, so we're not going to fuck 62 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: around and have a surprise quote unquote insurrection in the 63 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: way that Washington, DC did. And I just want folks 64 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: to let this sit with you for a minute. That 65 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: the indictment of a former president of the United States 66 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: who just did a rally in Waco, Texas on the 67 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: thirtieth anniversary of Waco, right where it has become this 68 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: signifying place for white supremacists and white nationalist and Donald 69 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: Trump knew exactly what the fuck that he was doing 70 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: to summon in the presence of this cult leader and 71 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: at the site of a place where eighty people were 72 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: killed right after following this cult leader who was a 73 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: pedophile and molesting and abusing children. But this is where 74 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: Donald Trump chose to have his rally, and there he 75 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: had his hand over where I assume he believes his 76 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: heart is having the January six choir, bunch of insurrectionists 77 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: singing the national anthem, showing pictures of January six, because 78 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: that is a moment that Donald Trump is proud of. 79 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: Every analyst that has been on television said, I really 80 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: hope that the Department of Justice is paying attention because 81 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump wants to say that he had nothing to 82 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: do with January six and the outcome and the insurrection, 83 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. All I did was give a speech. 84 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: And yet he is using January six and the imageries 85 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: of you know, his followers beating, abusing, and ultimately killing 86 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: police officers. People died that day, and Donald Trump is 87 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: using it as his rallying cry. Because of that, the 88 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: New York City Police Department is on high alert and 89 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: they are putting up barricades and all officers are on deck. Right, 90 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: So what does that say to you? It says to 91 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: me that Donald Trump is fucking dangerous, right, So I'm 92 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: confused again why we even have people pontificating in the news. 93 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: Is trying to fake connect the dots that are evident. 94 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: If the police did not believe that Donald Trump could 95 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: in fact incite a mob, that Marjorie Taylor Green, who 96 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: is going to find her way to New York tomorrow, 97 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: that these people are not capable of violence and inciting 98 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: people to violence, right then there would be no need 99 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: for the precautions that the New York Police Department is 100 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: taking right now. And I want that to sit with people, 101 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: because this is not normal, right, It is also not 102 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: normal for us to have had a criminal as a 103 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: president of the United States. But we have known long since. 104 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: Those people who lived in New York knew who the 105 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: fuck Donald Trump was, right, knew who he has always been. 106 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: So you know, we are living inside of history right now. 107 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: And like I said, this is not a law and 108 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: order episode, and this is going to play out over 109 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: the course parallel to the twenty twenty four presidential election, 110 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: which is fucking wild because apparently we live in a 111 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: developing nation. I don't fucking know. One of the most 112 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: interesting things too, that came out of the announcement around 113 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: the indictment is Ronda Santis's post that he did on 114 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: Twitter which said that he would not cooperate with authorities 115 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: and be a part of any extradition of Donald Trump 116 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: from Mara Lago, which is in Florida with his current 117 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: residence to New York. So Rohnda Santis is not interested 118 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: in following the rule of law. Republicans in general are 119 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: not interested in law and order and the fact that 120 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: a sitting governor would defy court orders because they honestly 121 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: believe that they are above the law. Right so, because 122 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: they don't like the way that the law is being 123 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: applied right now, they're like, oh no, we don't have 124 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: to follow those rules. But when they were all chanting 125 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: lock her up, lock her up, which came up with nothing, 126 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: zero indictments, all of their investigation into Benghazi, all of 127 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: these things come up with fucking goose eggs, they still 128 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: chant lock her up, lock her up. Any normal political 129 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: party right now would be you can champion Donald Trump 130 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: and say we are going to see how this plays 131 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: out because we know that the evidence is going to 132 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: prove that Donald Trump is innocent. But that's not what 133 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: these Republicans are doing, right. They're calling out the entire 134 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: system and saying it's a far saying that Alvin Bragg 135 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: is a political hack. There you using anti Semitic terminology 136 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: and summoning George Soros right as their code word for 137 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: anti Semitic Jewish backing money, which is what it is 138 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: that they are implying when they keep using Soros's name. 139 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: But they don't want the systems to work. They want 140 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: the systems to break. They want democracy itself to break 141 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: so that they can do what it is that they want, 142 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: which is civil war two point zero insurrection two point zero, right, 143 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: now the chatter on the far right wing sites is 144 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: about acceleration, which I learned over the weekend on MSNBC 145 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,239 Speaker 1: that acceleration for them means that they need to accelerate 146 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: the destruction and the breakdown of systems and the breakdown 147 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: of governments at all levels. Right. They need to accelerate 148 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: the destruction so that they can rebuild their white supremacist 149 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: fantasy model. We are living in a wild, wild fucking time, folks. 150 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: That is all I can say. And you know, I 151 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: will continue to remind people that while you are taking 152 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: this in and you may have been popping popcorn and 153 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: drinking drinks and watching the news all week, and do 154 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: understand that you do your body a disservice when you 155 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: do not take breaks, when you do not get outside, 156 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,239 Speaker 1: when you do not connect with nature, walk, have movement, anything. 157 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: Even this type of energy, even if it is celebratory, 158 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: it really is showing where America is right now, and 159 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: it is not in a good place. So truly be 160 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: mindful of how you take in the news over the 161 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: next couple of days, next couple of weeks, months, and 162 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: the year ahead. Coming up next, my pre taped conversation 163 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: with our good friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, 164 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: to discuss his feelings around the shooting in Tennessee, which 165 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:10,599 Speaker 1: the victims have said shooting were brought to his university's 166 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: campus and so how that surreal situation landed on him 167 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: and where he thinks we are in the gun debate. 168 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: That conversation is coming up next, folks. You know that 169 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: whenever I have the opportunity to be joined by our 170 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: friend in house, our in house doctor at woke affidaily, 171 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel, author of the book Dying of Whiteness, 172 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,119 Speaker 1: I'm always pleased. But yet we never have a conversation 173 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: about anything that is good. We never talk about puppies, 174 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: we never talk about sprinkles or sparkles. Everything is always 175 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: about death and destruction, and unfortunately this week is no different. 176 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: But Jonathan, I will say this that when the shooting 177 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: took place in Tennessee, you're one of the first people, 178 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: obviously that I thought about, because that is where you 179 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: spend half of your time, if not a majority of 180 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: your time as a professor at Vanderbilt University. And I 181 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: just want to get your reaction to the shooting that 182 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: claimed the lives of three children and three adults, as 183 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: well as the shooter, the unfolding of protests that have 184 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: been happening in Tennessee. Just your feelings first and foremost 185 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: about this another American travesty, another American school shooting. I mean, 186 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: it's my feelings range from traumatized, too exhausted, too angry, 187 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: to energized given what happened today over recording this on 188 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: a day where there were huge numbers of students that 189 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: protests at the Nashville State House. And so I can 190 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: just tell you, I mean I was at work on Monday, Yeah, 191 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: and in Nashville, we were no strangers to multiple victim 192 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: gun violets. I mean, we've had lots of shootings, We've 193 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: had lots of kids getting shot. This is a year 194 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: where we've had a lot of kids shot. But I 195 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: don't know, I just there was a moment on Monday 196 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: where first we started hearing all the sirens, and then 197 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,359 Speaker 1: we heard all the helicopters. And at first the sirens 198 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: were going away from us, and then really quickly the 199 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: sirens were coming toward us. And what that meant was 200 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: that the people at this shooting, two miles away from work, 201 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: were being brought to the Vanderbilt Hospital, and so it 202 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: just I've never seen our campus like this. Honestly, it 203 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 1: just went quiet. It was like pale and blanched and 204 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: in shock everywhere, and so people were just either didn't 205 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: know what to say or they were checking their phones 206 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: to make sure their kids were okay. And a lot 207 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: of people have their kids in school there or nearby, 208 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: so this was this really hit close to home, really 209 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: close to home for a lot of people. And then 210 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: I just think that there's something about kids in school 211 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: getting shot that is just unfathomable, Like it just honestly 212 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you just can't process. First of all, who 213 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: would do that? But second, like parents drop off their 214 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: kids at school, assuming they're putting them into another safe space, 215 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: and so just this trauma, this fear of not being 216 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: safe there is just so so palpable. And even for 217 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: me who's studied mass shootings for a long time, but 218 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: watching this play out, I just I can just say 219 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: that it was there was something about this shooting that 220 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: really hit a nerve. Before then the entire shooting jumped 221 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: right into the entire culture ward polarized politics, which is 222 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: kind of how it's been playing out now, you know, 223 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: Jonathan will One. You know, I'm just I don't is 224 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: sorry is not even the word that you had to 225 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: experience that and are going to still be experiencing the trauma, right, 226 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: because that's what this is. Right. We are a nation 227 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: that is traumatized consistently, Rinson repeat, from gun violence, from 228 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: mass shootings, from school shootings. But I think that to 229 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: know that those victims were coming to your campus to 230 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: the hospital, and then to know later that they were 231 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: all pronounced dead is just beyond you know. And I've 232 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: been interviewing and talking to folks that are saying they 233 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: are parents, and they're saying to me that the scariest 234 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: time of day nowadays is dropping their kids off at 235 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: the bus stop or dropping them off at school. And 236 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: that's not like, this is not hyperbole, right, it is 237 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: the fear of what it means to live in the 238 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: United States that is uniquely you know, a part of 239 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: our experience. And so I guess the question that I 240 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: have for you right now is Tennessee is a gun state, right. 241 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: It is a state where the governor you know, recently 242 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: loosened you know, whatever what was left of gun laws 243 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: in that state. And so when you see the protests 244 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: that are unfolding, and you see the parent that went 245 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: viral for jumping in front of the cameras and saying 246 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: to reporters, aren't you sick of this? Aren't you sick 247 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: of covering this? What's the energy of the people in 248 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: Tennessee right now? I would say it's honestly divided. I 249 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: mean very clearly, and you just see it so personally 250 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: and again, like, my trauma is nothing compared to the 251 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: trauma that happened two miles away, or the trauma of 252 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: people who didn't know if their kids were going to 253 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: come home or their you know, spouse was going to 254 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: come home. But but first, I would just say that 255 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: being in this experience, it makes you see how trauma 256 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: ripples outward in a way like a blast radius, where 257 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: everybody kind of feels some connection to this. And so 258 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: I would just say first people were commonly and communally traumatized, 259 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: and then that it was a woman mass shooter, or no, 260 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: it was a mass shooter who would identified as transgender 261 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: or whatever. Like it's just all these pieces came out 262 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: that were so linked to already the divisive politics of Tennessee, 263 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: where I can just tell you factually trans people are 264 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: not going around attacking people, and yet and they are 265 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: much more likely to be under attack and victims, and 266 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: they're being victimized by the state apparatus now And so 267 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it just jumps so quickly into 268 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: the can call it the culture wars or the divisive politics, 269 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you were on one 270 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: side or another. And so even though, of course guns 271 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: themselves are very polarizing issues, but this shooting also highlighted 272 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: how mass shootings don't happen in a vacuum, and that 273 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: gun politics link to politics of race and gender in America, 274 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: and so all of a sudden, we were like on 275 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: an on steroids version of the divisive politics that have 276 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: been dividing Tennessee anyway. Now, I will say they're a 277 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: fair number of people I know who were gun owners 278 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: who feel always that a mass shooting makes them more 279 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: pro gun like. They feel like their biggest fear is 280 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: that something like this will happen and they won't have 281 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: their gun available, or that only bad guys have guns, 282 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: but good guys have guns regulated. On the other hand, 283 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: we've we had thousands of students literally take over the 284 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: Statehouse today demanding change, saying enough is enough, and I 285 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: am really honestly torn. I'll just be really honest with you. 286 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm really torn because I want there to be changed, 287 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: and I feel like we're facing an issue right now 288 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: that then it's just as a big issue and the 289 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: answer is that we have there's no answer. There's no 290 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: easy answer right now, you know, even like let's say 291 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: that the protesters get their way and we have red 292 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: flag laws and we have background checks, I mean background 293 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: checks as one example is a point of sale intervention, 294 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: Like when you go to buy a gun, they do 295 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: a background check, but we already have four hundred and 296 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: fifty million guns in this country, and so even a 297 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: background check is not going to stop mass shootings. And 298 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: so I just I feel like there's this there's just 299 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: this divide. I mean, what we're calling for it just 300 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: feels so basic. It's just almost like an acknowledgement of 301 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: how hard this problem is. And I don't mean to 302 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: sound defeated on I want there to be positive steps, 303 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: but I would just say it's just like, you know, honestly, 304 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: like fuck, how do we get here? You know? Yeah, 305 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: it's really how it feels. Yep, you know, It's funny 306 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: because the other day I interviewed Medi Hassan from MSNBC 307 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: and he had an interesting point that he made, and 308 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: I want to run it past you where he said, 309 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, the right is already on their grievance trip 310 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: about you know, the left trying to take their guns 311 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: and repeal the Second Amendment. And he's like, fuck it, 312 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: Why don't we have more conversations about repealing the Second Amendment? 313 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: Why don't we start to have policy conversations about the 314 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: fact that, like the Second Amendment was never about having 315 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: access to military grade weapons. Why don't we say that 316 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, it is time for it to be reevaluated. Right? 317 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: What do you think about that argument? Because to your point, 318 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: background checks are about people who are going to purchase guns. 319 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: It is not about the four hundred and fifty million 320 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: that have already proliferated this nation. Right, Like, you know, 321 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: you can do mental health checks and have red flag laws, 322 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: but the reality is is that we need to take 323 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: the guns. So, like that's the real shit, right, Like 324 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: the AAR fifteens and the weapons of war, they need 325 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 1: to be confiscated, they need to be taken, right, and 326 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: there needs to be a ban on them, and there 327 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: needs to be you know, high penalties for selling them, 328 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: for owning them, and that just needs to be the call. 329 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: And so this whole kind of playing around the edges, 330 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: I think that we're past this. So I wanted to 331 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: get your thoughts on what medi you know posed. I mean, 332 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: it sounds great, just like expending the Supreme Court sounds great, 333 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: and many other things sound great. And I can also 334 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: tell you living in Tennessee that it's not going to happen. 335 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: So I think it's great. I think it's great as 336 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: a strategy. I would I don't. I don't. I just 337 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm all for pushing the envelope here, you know, 338 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: I'm all for thinking radically. I think there's a common 339 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: sense on the left that we're proposing Honestly, it's just 340 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: not working, right, I mean right, I mean that was 341 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: his point. It's it's it's we're we're coming to we're 342 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: coming to a gun battle with facts and a policy paper, 343 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: and they're coming literally with bazuokas. But the other thing 344 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: is even the interventions we support, I don't know. I 345 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: just feel like we have a really shitty tool kit, 346 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: to be honest, if you're if you're arguing for background checks, 347 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: for example, background checks king people, who are the histories 348 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: of incarceration? Um, that's what that's what a background check. 349 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: It's a federal database. Um that pings somebody with an incarceration. 350 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: So who do you think gets pinged on a background check? Um? 351 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: And if a red flag law, we're all out there 352 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: arguing for red flag laws, but a red flag law 353 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: is basically inviting the police to do a welfare check 354 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: on your relative. It's inviting the cops into your home. 355 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: So who's going to get wary? Who's going to be 356 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: aware of that? So there are racial politics on all 357 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: sides of what we're proposing. So I think there are 358 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: many reasons why I think we should rethink public health 359 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: based gun reform because I just don't think we've said 360 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: so long it's common sense, it's not common sense and um, 361 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: and so I'm all for rethinking this. Um. I just 362 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: i'd rather I mean, and I'm happy to be bombastic 363 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: and challenging, but I just can't see, at least where 364 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: I live, I can't see that taking people's guns away 365 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,239 Speaker 1: is gonna light to a good outcome. I mean, you know, 366 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: but here's the thing, because I am trying desperately to 367 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: find a hopeful place on this issue. Well, let me 368 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: just say something though, because I mean, for me, the 369 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: issue is you have to see guns in a bigger context. Right, 370 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: Why are there so many guns? It's not just because 371 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: of failed public health strategies, because the right had a 372 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: as you and I've said a million times here, a 373 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: fifty year strategy that like that meant seating the courts 374 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: with judges and winning elections like it's it's the reason 375 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: there are so many guns is because there are so 376 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: many judges and candidates. It's like a fifty year strategy. 377 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: And I don't know, you and I've talked about this 378 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: a lot. We need a long game strategy. If we 379 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: could turn the anger and frustration now into Okay, I'm 380 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: gonna say something kind of weird. Good, But I study 381 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: gun form. But when I hear the people say on TV, 382 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: and I've probably said it too, oh like eight percent 383 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: people support background checks, and I just want to scream 384 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: when I honestly hear people say that, because it's probably true. 385 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: I would be probably eighty percent of people do support 386 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: background checks. But that doesn't mean that eighty percent of 387 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: people are going to vote as single issue voters in 388 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: an election based on background checks. It means that they 389 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: support background checks, but that's not how they're voting, honestly, 390 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: and so I think the issue is the right. If 391 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: they do gun rights, people just vote based on gun rights, 392 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: and that means that pro gun NIRA politicians, even before Jerremandering, 393 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: were never afraid they were going to get voted out 394 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: of office. Yep. I just think we need to broaden 395 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: the frame because the minute you people start fearing they're 396 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: going to get voted out of office for this position, 397 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: that's when things will change. Honestly, that's when all of 398 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: a sudden things are going to be on the table. 399 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: But it's not the case. There's no threat that people 400 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: are going to get voted out, at least where I live. 401 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: And the NIRA has been really good at putting in 402 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: candidates who are not going to I mean, you saw 403 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: the whole world saw the Tennessee I mean, but it's 404 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: natural selection. When I saw what the representatives of Tennessee 405 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: sound like and what their ideology is like, I was 406 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: just like, what the fuck is going on in this state? 407 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: When you can have not even the bodies of those 408 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: children have been transported yet into the ground. And you 409 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: were talking about, well, we're not going to fix it. 410 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: Crime is just going to happen. And that person say 411 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: that so confidently, knowing that they're not going to be 412 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: removed from office. But how did that person get into office? 413 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: That's the point of trying to make It might not 414 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: be obvious to people who are just seeing Tennessee for 415 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: the first time. Twenty years ago, fifteen years ago, there 416 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: were Republicans who also said we need background checks or 417 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: something like that, any little thing, and those people all 418 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: got nright, they all got kneecapped. Yea, And all of 419 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: a sudden, the minute you did anything that was against 420 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: the NRA, the NRA would go after you. They would 421 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: put up billboards, they would rally people. It would remember 422 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: all those crazy people that showed up at the CRT 423 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: school boards. Those people were all trained during the gun 424 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: debate to show up about somebody who was going to 425 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: take away their Second Amendment rights. And so in a way, 426 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: the people who are in those positions now are like 427 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: the result of twenty years of just whacking out the moderates. 428 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: And in a way, so I just I just want 429 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: to highlight that people who are paying attention to this 430 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: are rightly mortified, and they're also seeing this at the 431 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: end of a progression that's been happening for several decades 432 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: where they developed a playbook to put in the more 433 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: extreme people. And it really, I mean, I've seen it 434 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: firsthand in Tennessee that anytime people would say, like, we 435 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: had a bill one time that was a four year 436 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: old kid shot a five year old kid, and we 437 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: proposed a bill that was going to be to make 438 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: parents responsible for putting their guns in gun safes if 439 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: they had kids under five years old in their house, 440 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: and the Republican person said, I support that. I think 441 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: there should be gun safety laws, so if you have 442 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: a kid five and under, And that person lasted maybe 443 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: three more months in politics after they came over to 444 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: our side. So it's just been like this that's not 445 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: even a fucking side. It's if you own a gun, 446 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: lock it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, look look it up. 447 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: It's called it was. The thing was called Micayley's Law, 448 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: it was Newsweek wrote about it, a bunch of other places. 449 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: But it's just like this stuff's been happening, and you know, 450 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: while everything else has been happening. It's no critique, but 451 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: this has been happening, and so all of a sudden 452 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: people are seeing it now, but it's they're seeing it 453 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: at the end of a of a really long progression 454 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: of the NRA just very powerfully taking over state apparatuses 455 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: and then really making anybody. I mean even in New York. 456 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: Remember there was a there was that Buffalo shooting and 457 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: a Republican politician said, I think it's time for us 458 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: to come together for gun reform, and that guy got 459 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: primary by the NRA. So even in New York that happened. 460 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: And so they're so effective at making people tow the 461 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: party line or lose their jobs. And so I guess 462 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: my point is just I'm not I mean, great for 463 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: Maddy if he wants to take all the guns, I'm 464 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: all for it. But I would also say we need 465 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: to maybe a bit more unified political strategy for countering 466 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: what the NRA has done, which is, like, I mean, 467 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: the minute people who support background checks all start voting 468 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: only on background checks, that's going to change the debate, right, 469 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: It's going to be if we can mobilize voter blocks 470 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: that vote with consequences, that that's where things will change. 471 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: But we're not there. I mean, there's a lot of 472 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: research that shows that people support gun rights, but they 473 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: don't vote based on gun rights, whereas gun owners all 474 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: support all vote based on gun rights. Well, here's what 475 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm proposing, Jonathan. Yes, and I've been and I've been, 476 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, I have started it because like I am 477 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: literally at my wits end, and I don't research this 478 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: and haven't been in this in the way that you 479 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: have for your career. But I'm calling for a national protest, 480 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: like I'm calling for a national boycott. I want to 481 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: shut the country down. This is ridiculous, Like we cannot 482 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: call ourselves an industrialize you know country. We're so wealthy 483 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: but yet so morally bankrupt and continue to just go 484 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: rinse and repeat and go on like normal and children 485 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: die in their classrooms. Why they're collering, Like, we have 486 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: to shut this shit down because there's something radical needs 487 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: to happen to shake this country out of its malaise. Well, 488 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: there are two things. Number One, pay attention to what's 489 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: going to happen in Tennessee. Students are doing a massive walkout, 490 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: So pay attention to what's happening in Tennessee and see 491 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: how sustainable that is. I hope it is. I hope 492 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: it's sustainable. The March for Our Lives organization, like, there's 493 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: a lot of student mobilization around this, and that'd be great. 494 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: I really hope the next generation leads us. But I 495 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: would also say that it's not just about attitudes. Yeah, 496 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: and it's really that the NRA controls the Supreme Court 497 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: and they control the judiciary, and so it's I don't know, 498 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: I just I want to push students, which I do, 499 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: to say, if you're really going for this, it's not 500 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,239 Speaker 1: just about red flag laws or background checks like that. 501 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: Is that is not going to make a difference. I 502 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: mean it will maybe a little bit, but they're still 503 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: going to have the same problem, which is this is 504 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: a power issue, not just to help this sue yep, yep, 505 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: Doctor Jonathan Metzel. As always, you know, I appreciate your insight, 506 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: your analysis, and you know, again my heart goes out 507 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: to you, your students, and the community that you live 508 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: in in Tennessee of you know, what you've had to 509 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: deal with and what you will be dealing with for 510 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: you know, for weeks and months and years to come. 511 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. So much, and again, let's just keep mobilizing 512 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: around this. And you know it's humans created this system, 513 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: and humans can create a different system, so it's not inevitable. 514 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: Thank you, Jonathan. That isn't for me today. Dear friends 515 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: on Woke a f as always, power to the people 516 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay 517 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: woke as fuck.