1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: And I took the path less traveled by and that 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: has made all the difference. What a load of crap. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: It's one more thing. 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: Label this. Jack spits on the classics. 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: I spit on people who don't understand the classics. I've 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: done this before. I got to do it again. I 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: feel like I need to do it every couple of years. 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: I'll get to that. This very erudite podcast coming up 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: in just a little bit, but first I want to 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: I don't even know what that word means. So fancy 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: kind of uh uh. This is maybe a little longer 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: than it needs to be, but well, you got something 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: better to do. This is uh, somebody being funny about 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: British band names. Some of these are pretty hilarious. Here 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: it is. 16 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: I feel like all British indie bands have the same 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 3: type of name, you know, They're all like, Hi, We're 18 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: hell Sinky Border Patrol and this is our debut single, 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: getting Tipsy with Rita, Hi with the Inquisitive Night Towels 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: And this is our debut single Drowning in the Simple Times. Hi, 21 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,639 Speaker 3: We're the Curious Architects and this is our debut single. 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: Library cards and cash receipts were Grandad's New Haircut, and 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: this is our debut single, love Letters to Know Where Land. 24 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: We're Magpies with Diplomas and this is our debut single, 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: Remote Controls and Magazines. We're Academic Whiskey Garden and this 26 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: is our debut single, Searching for Trolley Change. We're a 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: Full Moon Garden Party and this is our debut single, 28 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 3: January's Regrets. We're Statues in Munich and this is our 29 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 3: debut single. Gregory was a simple Man with the Candle 30 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: Makers and this is our debut single. Kevin was a 31 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 3: city dweller. We're Japanese Trousers and this is our debut single, 32 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 3: Lampshade and the Sky. 33 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: Japanese Trousers might be my favorite band. They're all great, 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: but they're perfect. Grandpa's Haircut, full Moon Garden Party. Eh, 35 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: those are good names right there. Pipes with the plumbers. Okay, 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: A something so came across. 37 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: So that reminds me. You know, I was going to 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: bring this up to you off the air. You haven't 39 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: seen the Devot documentary on Netflix, have you? No, I 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: got to bring this up to my son. They were 41 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: for years and years a dead serious and were as 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: a band when We came to know Devo back in 43 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: the eighties. They were an art project that sincerely believed 44 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: human beings were de evolving. They were formed on Kent 45 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: State in the early seventies during the Vietnam protests when 46 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: the kids were shot dead by the National Guard. It 47 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: was a militantly serious art collective trying to protest American life. 48 00:02:52,960 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: They're they're staunchly anti American at that time and in general, 49 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: in that way lefty artists tend to be. They concentrate 50 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: on their own society, which is absolutely the right, but 51 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: point out all of its flaws and helps bad and 52 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: stupid it is. They don't take a lot of time 53 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: on oh shit, so are the rest of societies around 54 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: the world, and they pretend that America is uniquely flawed. 55 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: Really interesting. 56 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: Devo had one big hit well, Whip It. 57 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: Whip was huge, and their version of Satisfaction was a 58 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 2: pretty big hit too. 59 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: Anyway, again, my same thing I said before, art ain't 60 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: it something? So I came across this poem a little 61 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: bit earlier, go into two poems road. This one I 62 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: had never heard before. I guess. It's a November poem 63 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: fairly famous by someone named Gwendolyn Brooks called the Crazy Woman. 64 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: This is a serious poem. I kind of liked it. 65 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: I shall not sing a May song. A May song 66 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: should be gay. I'll wait until November and sing a 67 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: song of gray. I'll wait until November. That is the 68 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: time for me. I'll go out on the frosty dark 69 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: and sing most terribly, and all the people will stare 70 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: at me and say, that is the crazy woman who 71 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: will not sing in May. I don't know what that means, 72 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: but I guess it's a famous November poem. 73 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: She likes throwing on sweaters and ugs in the fall. 74 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: I guess I don't know. 75 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: To something different than the one I was teasing. And 76 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: I've done this many times over the years. I didn't 77 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: know this originally. I have misused the phrase I have 78 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: taken the road less traveled by, and that has made 79 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: all the difference. I've misused it like most people have. 80 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: It is the complete opposite of what Robert Frost meant 81 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: in the poem. How it caught on and he himself. 82 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: So this poem was written in nineteen sixteen. You're familiar 83 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: with this poem, Katie. I think everybody's known this at 84 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: least the ending of the poem everybody knows, and written 85 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixteen, and there are interviews Crackley interviews. Here 86 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: he says, I pamel are stupid. They don't understand, they 87 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: didn't read it closely or whatever. The poem is the 88 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: exact opposite of it's making, the opposite point of the 89 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: way people take it. This is the one with the 90 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: raven saying nevermore. Right, No, there has no raven in it. Not. 91 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: I'll just read a little bit, because it's fairly long. 92 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: I'll read to the beginning in the end two from Nantucket. 93 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: All right, now, I'll shut up. Now, I will shut up. 94 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: It starts this way here I sit broken hearted. No, 95 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: that's not the way it starts. Two roads diverged in 96 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: a yellow wood, and I sorry, I could not travel both, 97 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: And being one traveler long, I stood and looked down 98 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: one as far as I could to where it bent 99 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: in the undergrowth. And then the ending is somewhere ages 100 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: and ages. Hence I will be telling this with a sigh. 101 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the 102 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. 103 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: And it has been repeated forever as if, like you know, 104 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: you don't take the common path everybody else takes, man 105 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: you take the more difficult, harder, not as used path, 106 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: and that it makes all the difference your life. And 107 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: it's the exact opposite of what he was intending. And 108 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: if you read it even slightly closely, he makes the 109 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: point that both pads go to the same place and 110 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: are roughly of the same difficulty, and you'll end up 111 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: on the same spot either path you take. And then 112 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: people look back on their lives and pretend that they 113 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: made these bold choices when they could have gone this 114 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: way or that's way just as easily, and they took 115 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: one and it worked out or whatever, and now they 116 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: give themselves all kind of credit for being some bold, 117 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: brave person. 118 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: So he is making fun of himself in the future. 119 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: Makes me a big deal of. 120 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: It, Yes he is, which is really interesting given the 121 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: fact that it's life. The reason it's so popular is 122 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: people taking it well wrong. I can't say literally, since 123 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: it's literature and the author is saying you're not. But anyway, 124 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: if you understand my point, it is repeated. You'll hear 125 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: all the time efforted a thousand times in my life 126 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: about I took the you know, the pathless pavot or 127 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: the road to list PATHN, and that traveled and that 128 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: has made all the difference. But he said, no, people 129 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: give themselves way too much credit for going this way 130 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: rather than that, when you could have gone either way, 131 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: and who knows how it would have turned out. That's 132 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: his point. 133 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: I wonder if he ever read the poetry of one 134 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: Robert Plant of Northern England, who said, there are two 135 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: paths you can go by, but in the long run, 136 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: there's still time to change the road you're on, which 137 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: is more to his point. You know, either way you're 138 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: going to adjust your sales and do what right probably 139 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: ought to do or a good at doing, or feels 140 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: like the right thing to do. It'll just be kind 141 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: of a different route to get there. 142 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, this kind of fits, maybe it doesn't. But you 143 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: brought this up the other day, and I spent a 144 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: lot of time thinking about this because I got two 145 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: teenagers and one who's a halfway through his sophomore year 146 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: of high school. The whole trying to plan out what 147 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: you're going to do with your life. Who do you know, 148 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: there are some people that know they want to go 149 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: to medical school, like I have a niece like this, 150 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: who know they want to go to medical school, like 151 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: when they're fourteen and they study that sort of stuff 152 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: and they'd get that there undergrad and they go to 153 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: medical school and they become a doctor and blah blah blah. 154 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: But almost everybody else I know in my life, if 155 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: you you look at the point they're at here in 156 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: the starting point, and there's like no logical way you 157 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: end up where. 158 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: You are, right, or it's certainly not obvious. Here's here's 159 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: a poll I'd like to see. 160 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: In other words, you adjust your sales on the. 161 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: Path, right, Yeah, Well, for one, you have so much 162 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: to learn. I would love to see this poll of uh, 163 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 2: ask thousands millions of people, what do you do for 164 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: a living? Now? Had you even heard of that when 165 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: you were seventeen? Did you know that that job existed? Now? 166 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: A certain number of people would say yes, but it 167 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: would be far far lower than one hundred percent, is 168 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 2: my point. 169 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: Mm hm. 170 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: Anyway I would sixteen seventeen year old you have had 171 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: any interest in doing that? 172 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: That a good one, That's a real good one. Yeah, 173 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: I know, somebody this is a a stray tangent. I know, 174 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: somebody who's in line to be an assistant, like a 175 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: well assistant, that's a good word for a super rich dude, 176 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: like insanely rich dude, like one of the richest people 177 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: in America. They just need somebody to take care of 178 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: their stuff, like all kinds of different things, like you know, 179 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: everything from book a flight to I need a new car, 180 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: or just everything that goes on in their life. And 181 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: they're interviewing and they're like, way, way way up toward 182 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: getting this job, and it sounds like it would be fascinating. 183 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's just traveling with him and like, you know, 184 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: I gotta go to Vegas for a meeting, and so 185 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: you travel with him in Vegas on the private plane. 186 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: But you got to figure out how you're going to 187 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: get to the hotel into the conference and where the 188 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: rooms are and the meal and just all the stuff 189 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: has to be worked out by this person. Wouldn't that 190 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: be an interesting job? 191 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if you're a buttoned up sort. 192 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, this person is very very much that sort. I'd 193 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: be the wrong person for the job. 194 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 195 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna be eight o'clock at night, So where are 196 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: we sleeping tonight? Oh? 197 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: Right? 198 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: Sleeping? Wow? I should have seen that coming. 199 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: Give me a minute, Give me a minute, It'll be 200 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 2: cool it, give me a minute. 201 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: Anyway. I hope they get the job, just because I'd 202 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: like to hear the stories of traveling around the world 203 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: with this person. And you know, I'm in the mood 204 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: for fish, get and figure out where I can eat fish. 205 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: You know, whatever guaranteed they sign an NDA, Now, they 206 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: might whisper a little thing or two into ear. 207 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: This guy's really old. He's like, he's like an eighty 208 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: old super gazillionaire. 209 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: M hm. 210 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: The Warren Buffett I by, I can't definitely can't say. 211 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's Warren Buffett anyway. No, he's like ninety four, 212 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 2: isn't he. I don't know, uh anyway, Um. 213 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: He took the road less travel though, and that has 214 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: made all the difference. That's why he got so rich. 215 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: How funny. I think that might be like a ninety 216 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: five percent a misinterpretation rate rate of that poem, no doubt, 217 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 2: which makes it a sucky poem. Somebody how to tell 218 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: Robert Frost you suck nice poem, dumb ass. 219 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: I've taken that road less traveled and ended up in 220 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: some bad neighborhood. No kidding, I should have should have 221 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: taken the road more traveled. 222 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Apple Maps. 223 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: Well I guess that's it.