WEBVTT - Stupid Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now,

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<v Speaker 2>here's Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>In France, fresh curfews in Paris leave the city relatively

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<v Speaker 3>quiet tonight after days of destructive riots over.

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<v Speaker 2>The economy and cuts to education.

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<v Speaker 3>However, student-led protesters took to the streets of Albania, some

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<v Speaker 3>throwing stones at officials while police drenched them with water cannons.

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<v Speaker 3>Authorities throughout Europe are bracing for more protests planned for

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<v Speaker 3>this weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it didn't get enough attention that there are a

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<v Speaker 4>number of other countries where they had protests over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 4>not as big as France, but they're at the beginning stages.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why.

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<v Speaker 4>What's her name? The leader of Italy, who flits out

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<v Speaker 4>of my mind. I really like her.

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<v Speaker 2>Ms. Maloney. What is her first name?

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<v Speaker 4>I like her act. But, man, she put out a

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<v Speaker 4>video where she is looking at the camera. She's like,

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<v Speaker 4>we ain't putting up with that here. Basically, what she's saying,

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<v Speaker 4>we got lots of cops. We're going to arrest you.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to throw you in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>This won't last. And where was it? Was that in Italy?

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<v Speaker 4>Did you see the video of the tough guys and

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<v Speaker 4>the socialists meeting in the street? Where was it?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was Italy. Anyway, you had a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of your pizza present. You had.

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<v Speaker 4>A you had a bunch of socialist looking dudes, weedy,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, overly, overly fashionable facial hair doing their riding

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<v Speaker 4>and screaming and yelling. And some and some tough guys

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<v Speaker 4>showed up basically saying, get off the street. And the

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<v Speaker 4>socialist dudes were like, no, we can be here if

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<v Speaker 4>we want. And one guy just shoves the... And I

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<v Speaker 4>don't like violence. I don't like violence.

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<v Speaker 2>Neither do I, theoretically.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's probably all kinds of abhorrent things about the

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<v Speaker 4>tough guys. But that's how this plays out always. You

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<v Speaker 4>get an equal and opposite reaction to that nut job

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<v Speaker 4>crowd with a different nut job crowd that says we

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<v Speaker 4>ain't putting up with it often. But anyway, the tough

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<v Speaker 4>guys and just like big guys, T-shirts and jeans, like

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<v Speaker 4>shoving the socialists back. And one of the socialists... Like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't do that. And then slaps the guy in

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<v Speaker 4>the face, which I thought was a good move. A

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<v Speaker 4>slap rather than a punch from a dude that looked

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<v Speaker 4>like he was about 6'2, 240, all muscle. Slapped the

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<v Speaker 4>guy with the man bun.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, get. And they turned around and left. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, again, equal and opposite reaction. I agree completely. We've

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<v Speaker 5>seen some of that in our country. We had not

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<v Speaker 5>planned on this. I did not know Jack was going

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<v Speaker 5>to go off on that screed, but it is a

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<v Speaker 5>perfect lead-in to A handful of things France-related, including a

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<v Speaker 5>couple of articles from the New York Times that speak

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<v Speaker 5>more loudly than the words in them. The first being,

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<v Speaker 5>to your point, it's not just France. Europe's political center

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<v Speaker 5>is crumbling. Europe's centrist parties are losing ground among young

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<v Speaker 5>people and workers who are increasingly tempted by populist promises

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<v Speaker 5>of radical change.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's true all.

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<v Speaker 5>Over the world, but particularly in Europe, because of the

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<v Speaker 5>false promises and inevitable crash of socialism. And that's what

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<v Speaker 5>makes this so surprising. This is Ash Nelson and Jim Tankersley. Jim,

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<v Speaker 5>we've talked to through the years, and he's with the

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<v Speaker 5>New York Times at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>God, I wish we could get him on about this.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so good. Yeah, I like Jim.

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<v Speaker 5>A doom loop threatens France as populism confronts markets. The subhead,

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<v Speaker 5>the turmoil shows the profound challenges facing governments stuck between

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<v Speaker 5>unhappy citizens and wary bond investors.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're thinking, bond investors? I don't know from bond. No,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 5>These governments have made utterly unkeepable promises to their populace

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<v Speaker 5>about cradle to grave everything. And everything's a human right,

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<v Speaker 5>and we'll tax the rich, and we'll deliver all of

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<v Speaker 5>your dreams if you vote for us. Well, they voted

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<v Speaker 5>for them, and these dreams are crumbling because they are

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<v Speaker 5>out of freaking money. They're not only out of money,

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<v Speaker 5>they're out of people dumb enough to lend them money.

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<v Speaker 5>So the reference to the bond market, if you're not

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<v Speaker 5>hip to this sort of thing, is you go to

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<v Speaker 5>people who buy government bonds and you say, hey, we'll

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<v Speaker 5>give you, I don't know, a 7% return on this bond.

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<v Speaker 5>And you're like, you're France. I want 20%. You're like

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<v Speaker 5>a crackhead. I'm not going to trust you with my money.

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<v Speaker 5>Their fiscal problem is that serious now. And for the

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<v Speaker 5>New York Times to have their lead article about France be, well,

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<v Speaker 5>they put it in the acute terms, A doom loop

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<v Speaker 5>threatens France as populism confronts markets. I would say as

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<v Speaker 5>populism and socialism confront reality.

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<v Speaker 4>I heard Macron over the weekend promise to however many

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<v Speaker 4>gazillion euros or whatever their money is they use in France.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, Euros, which factors into the next story.

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<v Speaker 4>To help the store owners who had their stores looted

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<v Speaker 4>and that the government will blah, blah, blah. And I thought, no,

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<v Speaker 4>you ain't. There's no way you're going to. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the doom spiral you're in. All of these fancy

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<v Speaker 4>stores and churches and everything like that, they got smashed

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<v Speaker 4>and burnt down or whatever. The government can't come in

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<v Speaker 4>and bail you out. They got no money.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're robbing Pierre to pay Jacques. Sorry, couldn't resist.

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<v Speaker 2>So that leads me to the next brick in the wall.

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<v Speaker 5>And that is some really good analysis that wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 5>occurred to me because I'm not as smart as Holman Jenkins,

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<v Speaker 5>a senior who writes for the Wall Street Journal. He

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<v Speaker 5>writes on finance and politics and markets and that sort

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<v Speaker 5>of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Wish my name was Holman.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm Joseph III, which is fine.

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<v Speaker 5>Honors my father and my grandfather before me.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 5>But, you know, Wyndham or Holman or something fancy sounding.

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<v Speaker 5>People would take me more seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know. I feel like people would listen to

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<v Speaker 2>me more if my name was Holman.

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<v Speaker 5>I've thought of going with the first initial and the

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<v Speaker 5>middle name because that sounds fancy.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Walter. Yes. That does sound fancy. We must take

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<v Speaker 2>him much more seriously than Joe. Stupid Joe. Anyway, where

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<v Speaker 2>was I? Stupid Joe. Oh, ignore him. He's named Joe.

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<v Speaker 5>So, Holman Jenkins is talking about how, first, he leads

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<v Speaker 5>with the Euro, and the whole Eurozone thing was looking

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<v Speaker 5>a little weak before Putin jumped ugly with Ukraine. But

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<v Speaker 5>it's brought Europe together, and so the Euro is here

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<v Speaker 5>to stay, which I thought was interesting. I don't think

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<v Speaker 5>about that too much. But then he goes into.

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<v Speaker 5>The fact that France is in a financial death spiral.

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<v Speaker 5>They have a desperate need to cut budgets, to restore

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<v Speaker 5>fiscal sanity, and it's going to be really, really painful.

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<v Speaker 5>And they have both a political system and a populace that.

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<v Speaker 2>Won't put up with the tiniest bit of pain.

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<v Speaker 5>Even raising the retirement age from 62 to 63, they

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<v Speaker 5>went wild in the street. Well, Marine Le Pen, the

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<v Speaker 5>far-right candidate that currently would win the election if it

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<v Speaker 5>were held today, but it's in six months, she's talking

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<v Speaker 5>about lowering the retirement age to 60. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like Trump on the trail saying, we'll give you all.

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<v Speaker 4>$ 5, 000. You vote me in and I'll lower the retirement age.

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<v Speaker 4>The other bad people are trying to raise it.

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<v Speaker 7>What?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the right winger. Oh, Lord.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So Jenkins points out that France is too big to

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<v Speaker 5>fail and also too big to bail out, which leaves

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<v Speaker 5>only one realistic choice. France pulls itself together or takes

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<v Speaker 5>Europe down with it. This is an unbelievable rock in

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<v Speaker 5>a hard place situation. He says there's really no other alternative,

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<v Speaker 5>no matter the winner of next year's presidential election. There's

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<v Speaker 5>likely no alternative to self-help except France flaking out of

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<v Speaker 5>the Eurozone, seeing its living standards plummet, and seeing all

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<v Speaker 5>those nice chateaus and paintings bought up by rich Chinese

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<v Speaker 5>and Americans. Or it can become North Korea on the

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<v Speaker 5>Cote d'Azur, shutting itself off from the world in pursuit of,

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<v Speaker 5>he uses the term, penurious. If I was Jay Walter,

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<v Speaker 5>I would say things like penurious, but economic self-sufficiency.

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<v Speaker 2>They're hurting for certain.

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<v Speaker 4>Fancy French paintings are going to be in the hands

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<v Speaker 4>of actual oligarchs, Russian style or Chinese style.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they're going to buy the whole country. Hell,

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<v Speaker 2>I may put my bid in. I searched this just

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<v Speaker 2>to confirm it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Marine Le Pen is pushing to bring France's retirement

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<v Speaker 4>age back down to 62 and then 60 for people

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<v Speaker 4>who started working young. At a debate just about six

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<v Speaker 4>weeks ago, she confirmed she would keep this pledge. That's

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<v Speaker 4>the conservative right-winger wants to lower the retirement age in

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<v Speaker 4>a country that has just fallen apart because the socialism

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<v Speaker 4>has gone too far.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 5>This is politically better metaphor, the unstoppable force meeting the

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<v Speaker 5>immovable object. The immovable object being French sentiment. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's the whole race to the bottom thing that I

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<v Speaker 5>always worry about. Once you start a race to the bottom, swirling,

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<v Speaker 5>and then when people, and I think this is where

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<v Speaker 5>they are in France, where she's saying, I can talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Raising it to 65 or lowering it to 40. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any difference. We're doomed.

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<v Speaker 5>But if I say the lower direction, I get elected.

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<v Speaker 5>and then can do the hard stuff theoretically.

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<v Speaker 4>Or it doesn't make any difference. It's all falling apart.

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<v Speaker 4>Whether I get elected or someone else gets elected. But

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<v Speaker 4>I'd rather I get elected. I mean, they might be

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<v Speaker 4>at that point of cynicism where they think, it's done,

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<v Speaker 4>it's over.

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<v Speaker 5>Then I'll get the money from the Chinese oligarchs. I

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<v Speaker 5>might as well get those checks exactly. Penurious means extremely

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<v Speaker 5>poor or poverty stricken. And they will be. So that's

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<v Speaker 5>enough like big picture why I keep saying this could

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<v Speaker 5>be the most important story of our time and not

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<v Speaker 5>in a good way.

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<v Speaker 2>Europe is wobbling.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a prize fighter that clearly isn't sure which direction

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<v Speaker 5>his corner is. And this could end not great. I

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<v Speaker 5>want to get into the specifics of the politics, though,

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<v Speaker 5>in the next segment, because the stench of what got

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<v Speaker 5>France into this position is on our doorsteps. Hell, it's

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<v Speaker 5>in our living room right now in the United States.

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<v Speaker 5>And by God, we better wake up to it, or

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<v Speaker 5>we are heading down that same road.

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<v Speaker 4>What's the name of the guy on the left, Melonhead,

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever he is there in France?

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<v Speaker 2>Melenchon.

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<v Speaker 5>Melenchon.

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<v Speaker 4>He is, how dare you try austerity? So you got the,

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<v Speaker 4>austerity is a no-go. He was supporting the rioting in

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<v Speaker 4>the streets of the idea of any cutbacks.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the left.

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<v Speaker 4>The person on the right wants to lower the retirement age.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, my God.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, class, and then we need to take a break.

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<v Speaker 5>Why would Mr. Melanchon support austerity? policies that will bring

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<v Speaker 5>the ruin of the French Republic.

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<v Speaker 2>Why? Is he that stupid? Jimmy in the back? Because

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<v Speaker 2>he wants it to fail to take it over in

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<v Speaker 2>a Marxist revolution. Good, Jimmy. At least somebody's paying attention. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the point. They're trying to crack the system so

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<v Speaker 2>they can take it over. Interesting. Any thoughts? Text line 415295KFTC.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Getty. Mentioning another show, which is probably not

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<v Speaker 2>the best idea.

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<v Speaker 4>Apparently, Eric Erickson went off on the whole Vivek ad

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<v Speaker 4>last night that we played last hour, declared it disqualifying

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<v Speaker 4>if he doesn't blame a staffer or disavow it. I

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<v Speaker 4>think I'd agree. If you didn't hear that, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 4>darn interesting. It's an hour to get the podcast Armstrong

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<v Speaker 4>and Getty on demand.

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<v Speaker 5>Continuing the discussion of France, if you're an occasional listener,

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<v Speaker 5>don't follow the news much, and you are still thinking

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<v Speaker 5>this is student protests over schools.

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<v Speaker 2>Not enough chalk! Yeah, no, not at all, not even close.

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<v Speaker 5>It may have started as that, but we'll get to

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<v Speaker 5>the significance of that in a minute. A couple of

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<v Speaker 5>just quick updates for you, and then we'll get to

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<v Speaker 5>the main point. The arsonist who was behind, who ran

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<v Speaker 5>the burning of the Limoges City Hall, this is the

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<v Speaker 5>beautiful 19th century historic building that the Nazis occupied and said,

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<v Speaker 5>this is too beautiful, we're not going to damage it.

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<v Speaker 5>But the rioters burned it to the ground. The arsonist

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<v Speaker 5>has been detained. He is a 40-year-old far-left Antifa activist.

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<v Speaker 5>on France's national security watch list for his ties to ultra-radical,

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<v Speaker 5>ultra-left extremist movements. He has a long history of police

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<v Speaker 5>records for violence against a person holding public authority. He's

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<v Speaker 5>a hardcore Marxist, not surprising at all to me. And

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<v Speaker 5>then I saw this on Twitter. It's an argument taking

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<v Speaker 5>place in France.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's in Paris.

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<v Speaker 5>A woman had rioters and looters break into her building

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<v Speaker 5>and threatened to rape her They were immigrant fellows while

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<v Speaker 5>she was holding her child in her arms. And she

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<v Speaker 5>was talking about this, and she was confronted by the

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<v Speaker 5>feminist activist Bettina Zorli, who holds a master's degree in

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<v Speaker 5>gender studies and focuses her work on gender norms, motherhood,

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<v Speaker 5>reproductive rights, etc. She describes herself as feminist, child-free, and antifa.

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<v Speaker 5>But she lectured this woman that that's collateral damage. You're

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<v Speaker 5>the bourgeoisie. You're going to be heard in this for

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<v Speaker 5>the people to rise up and take what is theirs.

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<v Speaker 2>That's straight out of the French Revolution.

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<v Speaker 5>She's lectured in gender studies, including at the University of

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<v Speaker 5>Lille and University of Rennes.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I thought that was interesting. It's in French.

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<v Speaker 5>Otherwise, I'd run you the audio. But she is a

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<v Speaker 5>she's exactly what you said. She's a terrifying specter. of

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<v Speaker 5>the sort of intellectual who will slaughter millions of people

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<v Speaker 5>for their goals because Marxism is always run by the intellectuals.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, they got to grease up the guillotine. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>I say. That's what you just said.

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<v Speaker 5>So, uh, I wanted to get to this, uh, by

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<v Speaker 5>Richard Pollack. Uh, he says, France is burning again. The

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<v Speaker 5>late legendary May, 1968 French riots are returning.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, and he points.

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<v Speaker 5>Out getting back to the student protest thing, which is

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<v Speaker 5>another example of they spend like crazy on the schools

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<v Speaker 5>in France. I mean, lots and lots of money, but

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<v Speaker 5>the schools are terrible because socialism and unions and the

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<v Speaker 5>rest of it ruin everything. Um, But he points out

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<v Speaker 5>most Marxist playbooks start with a grievance, then morph into

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<v Speaker 5>revolutionary violence. And we're seeing that playbook again. as the

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<v Speaker 5>Prime Minister said, a shadowy network of far-left and revolutionary

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<v Speaker 5>agitators were seeking to orchestrate, quote, a profound disorder in

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<v Speaker 5>the country leading up to the presidential election. And Pollack writes,

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<v Speaker 5>he knows quite a bit about Marxism and revolutionary violence.

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<v Speaker 5>One of his, in the 70s, his roommate was one

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<v Speaker 5>of the Chicago Seven defendants, and he knew the people

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<v Speaker 5>who knew Saul Alinsky, who wrote the Bible of Leftist Protest,

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<v Speaker 5>Rules for Radicals, a practical primer for realistic radicals. And

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<v Speaker 5>he goes into all the techniques that he's seeing in

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<v Speaker 5>the French riots and how right Alinsky was with his strategies.

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<v Speaker 5>And Herbert Marcuse, who I think was a German, but

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<v Speaker 5>who was into liberation, Marxism, that sort of thing. But

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<v Speaker 5>he makes it infinitely clear that This is straight out

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<v Speaker 5>of Rules for Radicals. And this is another example of

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<v Speaker 5>what I'm always yelling about, which is these people told

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<v Speaker 5>us precisely what they were going to do, how they

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<v Speaker 5>were going to do it. Their names are on the

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<v Speaker 5>spines of the book. This is not a conspiracy theory.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a political movement. It's super popular.

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<v Speaker 2>It's well-financed, and they're dead serious.

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<v Speaker 5>Then the last thing I wanted to squeeze in is

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<v Speaker 5>that he points out the thing that was missing in

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<v Speaker 5>the 1968 and the early 70s was Islamism.

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<v Speaker 6>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>In France.

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<v Speaker 5>So now you've got this huge coalition of angry, alienated

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<v Speaker 5>Muslims who either hate their lives or they hate France

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<v Speaker 5>for not being Muslim.

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<v Speaker 2>And they have a grievance. Back to the first sentence.

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<v Speaker 5>Most Marxist playbooks start with a grievance, then morph into

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<v Speaker 5>revolutionary violence. We're seeing that playbook again. France is terrible.

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<v Speaker 5>and Europe is teetering, and I don't think most people

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<v Speaker 5>appreciate that yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Young plays a big role in this, too, usually. Sure.

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<v Speaker 4>They buy the politics easier, and they got more energy.

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<v Speaker 4>France's youth unemployment is 20%, three times what it is

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<v Speaker 4>next door in Germany, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of unhappy, unemployed young men.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 7>That U.S.

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<v Speaker 6>Citizen held by Russia has just been freed. And it

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<v Speaker 6>comes as Special Envoy Steve Witkoff arrived in Russia overnight

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<v Speaker 6>to meet with Vladimir Putin to discuss ending his invasion

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<v Speaker 6>of Ukraine. 74-year-old Stephen Hubbard has been in custody. since

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<v Speaker 6>2022 when Russia arrested him and accused him of being

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<v Speaker 6>a mercenary fighting for Ukraine. Hubbard is a retired school

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<v Speaker 6>teacher from Michigan and has been classified as wrongly detained

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<v Speaker 6>by the U.S.

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<v Speaker 5>State Department.

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<v Speaker 4>This seems so transparently cynical to me, or I suppose

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<v Speaker 4>you can take it as a goodwill gesture that shows

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<v Speaker 4>Putin's actual inclination for peace, if you're like a child

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<v Speaker 4>or have an IQ of 40. But who is this

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<v Speaker 4>dude that Russia let loose? He's actually a quirky old bird.

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<v Speaker 2>He left the U.S.

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<v Speaker 5>Decades ago. He didn't like the government. He went to Japan,

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<v Speaker 5>then Cyprus, and finally Ukraine. He was living in a

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<v Speaker 5>small town in eastern Ukraine when the Russians invaded.

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<v Speaker 2>They snatched him up. When was this written? He's 74

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<v Speaker 2>years old.

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<v Speaker 5>They snatched him up and accused him of fighting for Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 5>this quirky old bearded, you know, old American who just

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<v Speaker 5>like taught English to feed himself. I've known a few

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<v Speaker 5>people that traveled around the world doing that. Apparently, it's

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<v Speaker 5>really easy to do.

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<v Speaker 4>You can go to all kinds of different countries and

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<v Speaker 4>there are rich families that would be happier in hell.

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<v Speaker 4>And you don't have to be like a teacher. Just

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<v Speaker 4>sit around and speak English to their kids.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And conversational English.

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<v Speaker 4>And they pay you enough to make a living. I've

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<v Speaker 4>had friends who did that.

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<v Speaker 2>If there is.

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<v Speaker 5>Reincarnation, I would like to come back and do that.

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<v Speaker 5>Cause that would be an unbelievable adventure. And you'd learn

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<v Speaker 5>so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. Except you'd talk like a heck if I

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<v Speaker 2>did it, you know, talking like a heck. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>want that? No, no, you got to get a bread

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<v Speaker 2>in there. Uh, give him the, the accent.

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<v Speaker 5>But one more thing on this guy, uh, apparently according

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<v Speaker 5>to the, one of the guys he was held with, um,

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<v Speaker 5>And keep this in mind when you hear some of

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<v Speaker 5>the clips coming up. He was regularly beaten, tortured. His cellmate,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm flipping down to it, said they were regularly stripped naked,

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<v Speaker 5>forced to stand at attention all day, every day, forced

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<v Speaker 5>into the splits, and guys would tear tendons and not

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<v Speaker 5>be able to walk normally anymore. anymore just absolute and

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<v Speaker 5>the russians took particular liking to tormenting this guy because

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<v Speaker 5>he was an american um and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was very very ugly they should be more scared of that.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember Henry Kissinger, who some people think is a

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<v Speaker 4>war criminal and too much of a hard ass. I

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<v Speaker 4>liked him saying years ago, countries around the world should

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<v Speaker 4>be terrified the idea of snatching an American.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 4>Not you get to snatch an American and torture them

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<v Speaker 4>for years. And we just consider it goodwill if you

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<v Speaker 4>give them back. And there's really no price to pay.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 5>And then, well, I don't want to steal the thunder,

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<v Speaker 5>but say things like you're about to hear.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I thought this was pretty interesting. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if I'd ever heard this guy before on Fox,

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<v Speaker 4>Fox and Friends, Dan Hoffman, who apparently has been a

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<v Speaker 4>correspondent out of Russia and knows Putin's act really, really well.

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<v Speaker 4>He wasn't quite going with the happy, happy, joy, joy,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't it fantastic that Russia gave this guy back? Look,

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<v Speaker 4>Putin is in a is a humanitarian who wants peace.

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<v Speaker 4>This is Dan Hoffman on Fox this morning.

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<v Speaker 8>So he was wrongfully detained, a 74-year-old school teacher from Michigan.

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<v Speaker 8>After teaching in Japan, he taught in Cyprus. He moved

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<v Speaker 8>to Ukraine, to Izyum in eastern Ukraine in 2014. And

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<v Speaker 8>then in April of 2022, the Russians wrongfully detained him.

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<v Speaker 8>They claimed that he had signed a contract worth $ 1, 000

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<v Speaker 8>a month to fight on the behalf of the Ukrainians, which,

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<v Speaker 8>of course, he denied. That's a chip for Vladimir Putin,

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<v Speaker 8>and he cashed it when.

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<v Speaker 5>They released him.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, that particular clip was more bio, which Joe just did,

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<v Speaker 4>although that is an interesting element that these countries, North Korea, China, Russia,

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<v Speaker 4>they always make up.

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<v Speaker 2>Iran, when they snatch an American, they always make up

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<v Speaker 2>these stories. Sure.

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<v Speaker 4>He was getting paid to fight in Ukraine, whatever. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>this analyst goes on.

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<v Speaker 8>And Putin's goal is clear, I think. He wants to

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<v Speaker 8>create the impression that Russia is able to negotiate with

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<v Speaker 8>the United States. He's giving us someone we want back.

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<v Speaker 8>But in return, the United States, of course, has made

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<v Speaker 8>this deal with Russia so that the Russians can sell diesel.

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<v Speaker 8>It's going to be minimal impact on the world market.

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<v Speaker 8>But should give Russia additional money to fund their war effort.

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<v Speaker 8>And of course, Putin wants to create the impression that

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<v Speaker 8>it would be a bad idea for us to follow

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<v Speaker 8>through with those harsh Lindsey Graham sanctions penalties, which would

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<v Speaker 8>so impact the Russian economy.

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<v Speaker 2>And a little more analysis on this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 8>Vladimir Putin is willing to do this again because he

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<v Speaker 8>thinks he can curry favor with the United States and

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<v Speaker 8>relieve Russia of any threat from economic penalties. And at

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<v Speaker 8>the same time, what Putin wants to do is to

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<v Speaker 8>try to drive a wedge between the United States and Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 8>make it appear that Russia is a good negotiator when

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<v Speaker 8>we know they're not. Vladimir Putin continues to wage war

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<v Speaker 8>ruthlessly and has never negotiated or sought to negotiate an

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<v Speaker 8>end to this war in good faith, which he began

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<v Speaker 8>and he could stop.

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<v Speaker 4>This guy goes on to say, as I watched the

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<v Speaker 4>whole thing and they, the Fox and Friends hosts were like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, some of our viewers wonder why you're so

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<v Speaker 4>negative on Russia and the peace plan. He said, I've

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<v Speaker 4>never seen any indication of any kind ever that Putin

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<v Speaker 4>has any interest in peace. All he wants is to

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<v Speaker 4>take Kiev and install a puppet regime. That's what he's

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<v Speaker 4>going to do unless the world stops him. Does Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>I honestly don't know this and I hope I live

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<v Speaker 4>long enough for somebody to.

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<v Speaker 2>Write a book explaining this. Does Trump actually think.

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<v Speaker 4>Putin cares about peace or cares about deaths or anything

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<v Speaker 4>like that? Or is Trump just like a, you know, transactional,

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<v Speaker 4>this is what's best for the United States, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>care about. any of that other stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know which. Yeah, I don't know either.

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<v Speaker 5>Plus, you know, he has pinned his ego to the

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<v Speaker 5>I'm the greatest dealmaker in history. So if a deal

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<v Speaker 5>eludes him here, it flies up against his self-image. It's

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<v Speaker 5>the myth he's created of himself, maybe in his own mind.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you, and look, you know, we all have

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<v Speaker 5>our psychology, and sometimes as you age, you start to

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<v Speaker 5>understand yourself a little better. If he butts up against

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<v Speaker 5>a reality that tells him your self-conception is wrong, you're

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<v Speaker 5>not a winner, you're a loser, he's going to do

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<v Speaker 5>anything to avoid that, including selling grandma to cut a

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<v Speaker 5>deal with Putin.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm afraid of. I think he has a

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<v Speaker 2>very fragile ego. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to be seen as a card shark,

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<v Speaker 4>I think... Losing to another card shark is not the

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<v Speaker 4>best way to bolster your image.

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<v Speaker 2>I think most.

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<v Speaker 4>People will see this, if it's forced upon Ukraine, as

0:24:58.150 --> 0:25:01.490
<v Speaker 4>Putin getting the best of Trump. I think that's the

0:25:01.510 --> 0:25:03.590
<v Speaker 4>way most people see it. I know that's the way

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<v Speaker 4>history will see it. But I mean, even now. On

0:25:07.950 --> 0:25:11.669
<v Speaker 4>the non-interventionist right, they'll say, finally, it's over. This is

0:25:11.730 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 4>none of our business anyway. And that's fine.

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<v Speaker 5>You're entitled to that opinion. I think you're wrong. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I have no idea where this ends. There have been

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<v Speaker 5>so many false promises. The idea that Putin has any

0:25:23.260 --> 0:25:28.419
<v Speaker 5>goodwill whatsoever is hilarious to me. I was surprised to

0:25:28.460 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 5>hear Zelensky said, look, let's discuss a deal where we

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:34.240
<v Speaker 5>freeze the battle lines right where they are and move

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<v Speaker 5>on with our lives. Where this ends, nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's former Ambassador Michael Ratney. How about clip 83 there, Michael?

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<v Speaker 9>My sense is the Russians see this just as a

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<v Speaker 9>way to sort of clear the air a bit before

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 9>these very, very difficult negotiations over Ukraine start. And they

0:25:50.290 --> 0:25:53.050
<v Speaker 9>know how to manipulate President Trump. They know if he

0:25:53.070 --> 0:25:55.570
<v Speaker 9>can brag about having gotten this guy released, it makes

0:25:55.630 --> 0:25:58.790
<v Speaker 9>it sound like we've gotten something out of negotiations that

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<v Speaker 9>really have not been very fruitful thus far.

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<v Speaker 4>When I heard the news this morning that they're letting

0:26:03.010 --> 0:26:06.530
<v Speaker 4>a guy loose, I thought, God, this is so transparently that,

0:26:06.970 --> 0:26:09.930
<v Speaker 4>what that guy just described. This is a look how

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<v Speaker 4>hard we're trying to please you. And my response would be, oh, please.

0:26:16.060 --> 0:26:18.020
<v Speaker 4>You give us back a guy you should have never

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<v Speaker 4>taken in the first place who you've tortured?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for nothing. Let's get back to the negotiating. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>to that point, how about 82?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, so thank God for him and thank God for

0:26:30.109 --> 0:26:31.929
<v Speaker 9>his family. It must be terrifying to have been in

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<v Speaker 9>prison in Russia. The Russians hold on to these guys

0:26:35.190 --> 0:26:36.950
<v Speaker 9>specifically for moments like this.

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<v Speaker 2>We have the U.S.

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<v Speaker 9>Envoy in Moscow apparently meeting with Putin at this moment,

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.900
<v Speaker 9>and they know how to manipulate their negotiating partner. They

0:26:44.940 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 9>release a prisoner just as the negotiator's getting there, and

0:26:47.820 --> 0:26:51.020
<v Speaker 9>it makes it sound like they've done something worth crediting

0:26:51.060 --> 0:26:53.460
<v Speaker 9>them for when, in fact, it doesn't change the fact

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<v Speaker 9>that the trajectory of the Ukraine war is still pretty grim.

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<v Speaker 4>So I suppose we ought to touch on this just

0:27:00.410 --> 0:27:02.890
<v Speaker 4>because people who hate Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Particularly hate this.

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<v Speaker 4>I stood up for Steve Witkoff the other day when

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 4>he said something similar.

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<v Speaker 2>I do have a question about this.

0:27:12.220 --> 0:27:16.460
<v Speaker 4>So Steve Witkoff, he's one of Trump's big negotiators, him

0:27:16.660 --> 0:27:21.590
<v Speaker 4>along with his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, met with

0:27:21.650 --> 0:27:24.650
<v Speaker 4>Putin for three hours. And this is Steve Witkoff talking

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<v Speaker 4>to Putin.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighty-one.

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<v Speaker 10>You talk so much about my president, President Trump, being

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<v Speaker 10>a humanitarian.

0:27:34.770 --> 0:27:39.170
<v Speaker 2>You are a humanitarian also, sir. And I salute that.

0:27:39.190 --> 0:27:42.460
<v Speaker 1>I commend you and I thank you again.

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<v Speaker 4>Our negotiators saying Putin is a humanitarian, you know, the

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 4>picture that's been floating around the Internet of the dead

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:51.919
<v Speaker 4>baby in the stroller, and you could come up with

0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 4>Thousands and thousands of photos, just as bad as that

0:27:55.580 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 4>one from Ukraine over the last four years.

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<v Speaker 2>Putin, the humanitarian.

0:27:59.660 --> 0:28:06.590
<v Speaker 4>But was that on television, like supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 4>public meeting? Or was that a something Putin put out

0:28:11.190 --> 0:28:14.490
<v Speaker 4>because they're videotaping it all to embarrass Witkoff?

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<v Speaker 5>I think Witkoff understood he was on camera and this

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<v Speaker 5>would be seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>But I do know from reading a lot about negotiations

0:28:24.190 --> 0:28:26.149
<v Speaker 4>over many years, I mean, look at some of the

0:28:26.210 --> 0:28:30.210
<v Speaker 4>things that Churchill and FDR said about Stalin. And they

0:28:30.250 --> 0:28:34.570
<v Speaker 4>knew exactly who Stalin was, especially Churchill. Knew Stalin has

0:28:34.790 --> 0:28:37.070
<v Speaker 4>slaughtered people by the millions.

0:28:37.650 --> 0:28:38.210
<v Speaker 2>Knew exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And saying the sort of thing that Witkoff said about Putin.

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<v Speaker 4>You say all kinds of things behind closed doors about really,

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:49.290
<v Speaker 4>really bad people to make your deals. I wouldn't be

0:28:49.310 --> 0:28:50.870
<v Speaker 4>able to get those words to come out of my mouth.

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<v Speaker 4>But I just know that a lot of times throughout history,

0:28:54.850 --> 0:28:57.270
<v Speaker 4>that sort of thing has been said to evil human

0:28:57.310 --> 0:28:58.970
<v Speaker 4>beings to make a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Knee-jerk Trump bashers are bashing Trump and Witkoff for this.

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<v Speaker 5>I found it humiliating and disgusting that he said it,

0:29:06.540 --> 0:29:07.860
<v Speaker 5>but I totally get why he said it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're just, you're in the situation. The guy's

0:29:10.950 --> 0:29:11.610
<v Speaker 2>not free yet.

0:29:12.370 --> 0:29:14.670
<v Speaker 5>You butter up Putin, you give Putin what he's looking for,

0:29:14.790 --> 0:29:17.050
<v Speaker 5>and then you go, you know, you play the cards

0:29:17.070 --> 0:29:19.090
<v Speaker 5>you have when it's time to play them. But, yeah,

0:29:19.130 --> 0:29:21.630
<v Speaker 5>I don't fault Witkoff for that. It makes me want

0:29:21.650 --> 0:29:22.250
<v Speaker 5>to vomit.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is.

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<v Speaker 5>But, I mean, who on earth said, wow, you know what?

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.500
<v Speaker 5>I hadn't really thought of it, but... Putin really is

0:29:30.540 --> 0:29:31.380
<v Speaker 5>a humanitarian.

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<v Speaker 2>Mr.

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<v Speaker 5>Witkoff has convinced me or changed my mind. Nobody said that. See,

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<v Speaker 5>I see that as different than Trump going around. seeming

0:29:40.170 --> 0:29:44.570
<v Speaker 5>to actually believe that Putin is some sort of humanitarian

0:29:45.070 --> 0:29:48.380
<v Speaker 5>and bad-mouthing Zelensky like he's the bad guy in this

0:29:48.390 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 5>whole thing. I find that unconscionable and not part of

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:52.940
<v Speaker 5>the strategy.

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.140
<v Speaker 2>I don't think. Maybe Trump thinks it's part of the strategy.

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I really don't know.

0:29:59.820 --> 0:30:02.780
<v Speaker 4>I have no idea what Trump thinks he's doing with

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 4>either the leaders of Iran.

0:30:06.290 --> 0:30:08.130
<v Speaker 2>Or China or Russia. I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 4>He is a master negotiator. You can't deny that. He's

0:30:12.270 --> 0:30:13.910
<v Speaker 4>done that his whole life. That's what he does for

0:30:13.930 --> 0:30:16.570
<v Speaker 4>a living. I know people who make deals. They're pretty

0:30:16.610 --> 0:30:19.700
<v Speaker 4>good at it. But why does Trump seem so bad

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:20.020
<v Speaker 4>at it?

0:30:20.990 --> 0:30:21.510
<v Speaker 2>At this level.

0:30:21.530 --> 0:30:25.970
<v Speaker 5>Well, because you can't apply developing a golf course to geopolitics.

0:30:26.330 --> 0:30:28.110
<v Speaker 2>It's a different skill set.

0:30:28.610 --> 0:30:31.530
<v Speaker 5>And I don't think Trump's particularly adept at adapting his

0:30:31.570 --> 0:30:34.670
<v Speaker 5>skills to new realities. He doesn't give a crap about history.

0:30:34.990 --> 0:30:38.850
<v Speaker 5>He doesn't give a crap about why the Constitution is

0:30:38.890 --> 0:30:41.570
<v Speaker 5>so important and why you shouldn't mess with it and

0:30:41.690 --> 0:30:43.730
<v Speaker 5>why you can't run down the Supreme Court.

0:30:43.810 --> 0:30:44.730
<v Speaker 2>It's dangerous.

0:30:45.050 --> 0:30:49.630
<v Speaker 5>He's bad at applying the skills he has to his.

0:30:49.510 --> 0:30:50.870
<v Speaker 2>New gig, I think.

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<v Speaker 4>And as I've been saying for years, and I do

0:30:52.530 --> 0:30:56.790
<v Speaker 4>think this is true, he assumes everybody's doing what's in

0:30:56.830 --> 0:31:01.980
<v Speaker 4>their best financial interest. Because that's his overarching God is

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 4>what's in my best financial interest. And he assumes everybody

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 4>else is doing it, and they're not. This was not

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 4>in Putin's financial interest at all to invade Ukraine.

0:31:10.660 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 2>It's not today.

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 4>But it's in his, deep within his bones, he cares

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.730
<v Speaker 4>about the Russian Empire interest.

0:31:17.770 --> 0:31:17.970
<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>In short, I would say Trump doesn't understand fanaticism because

0:31:22.770 --> 0:31:24.870
<v Speaker 5>he doesn't have any particular beliefs.

0:31:25.090 --> 0:31:25.310
<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because it fits in with the Iran thing. Also,

0:31:27.660 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 4>where he thinks the Iranians are going to do what's

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:33.860
<v Speaker 4>the best financial idea as opposed to they're dedicated to,

0:31:34.850 --> 0:31:38.110
<v Speaker 4>you know, a 1300 year old weird version of Islam.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, exactly. I would agree.

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<v Speaker 4>Definitely have MS. Boy, we all learned something about that yesterday,

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<v Speaker 4>that's not what you have at all, even though it's similar.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yikes.

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<v Speaker 4>They had a stat on that same story about the

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<v Speaker 4>percentage of Americans that live with an undiagnosed disease, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was shockingly high. And I was thinking of a

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<v Speaker 4>friend I've got who they think it's long COVID probably,

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<v Speaker 4>but they're not sure. Kind of like that has had

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<v Speaker 4>to go to the ER many times with heart problems.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't know. Some sort of something. So there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more of undiagnosed stuff than.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't mean to get off on this, but I

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<v Speaker 4>learned about cancer. I had no idea about this. So

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<v Speaker 4>I was diagnosed with lymphoma, probably lymphoma, mostly lymphoma, but

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<v Speaker 4>it could have been something else. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 4>of that because it's a mixture of different cells, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's mostly this.

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea of that. I'll be damned. Yeah. Crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>AI could help us sort that sort of thing out

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<v Speaker 5>in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>That'd be cool. I would hope. Here's an update on another.

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<v Speaker 2>Before it kills us.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's an update on another story. We didn't tell you, Michael? 20.

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<v Speaker 6>20.

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<v Speaker 10>British police have re-arrested two men on suspicion of assisting

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<v Speaker 10>Iran's intelligence service in a suspected plot at a US-run

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<v Speaker 10>air base in England last month. A 24-year-old British national

0:34:54.410 --> 0:34:58.890
<v Speaker 10>and a 25-year-old dual British-Iranian national were detained under the

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<v Speaker 10>National Security Act in the UK. The men had been

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<v Speaker 10>out on bail. Five other men in their 20s have

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<v Speaker 10>also been arrested and were released. No one has yet

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<v Speaker 10>been charged. Iran has denied involvement. What is going on

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<v Speaker 10>with that story? You know, I'm anti-stereotyping usually. Sometimes it

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:19.839
<v Speaker 10>just saves time.

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<v Speaker 5>But if you said four Americans were arrested and accused

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<v Speaker 5>of spying for China and didn't tell me they were

0:35:31.950 --> 0:35:38.149
<v Speaker 5>Chinese Americans of Chinese heritage, Chinese immigrants, that's a different story, man.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, the fact that a Brit and a dual citizen,

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<v Speaker 5>because that Brit, hell, his name might be Ayatollah Khomeini,

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:50.100
<v Speaker 5>and they're not going to tell us out of, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want to, like, impute all Iranian Brits. No,

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<v Speaker 5>you've got to.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. How much time we got, Michael?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I don't have time to get into this conspiracy

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<v Speaker 4>about the World Series. I'll have to do that in

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<v Speaker 4>hour four. I have a theory on.

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<v Speaker 5>The man or woman, perhaps, who had the most impact

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<v Speaker 5>on the food industry in the last hundred years. And

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<v Speaker 5>their name is not known and may never be known.

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<v Speaker 5>But it just occurred to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like just now?

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<v Speaker 5>That person should be paid billions of dollars. We'll talk

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