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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. The elderly are. I feel so

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Speaker 3: Imagine what it'll be like when we are elderly.

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Speaker 3: In the typical scam story, it's an innocent person being

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Speaker 3: You rarely hear about bad guys getting fooled, right, but

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Speaker 3: Have we just been lied to by Hollywood all these years?

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Speaker 3: But I digress. So Alberta must not have felt the

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Speaker 1: You know what, I actually really respect that move. That's

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Speaker 1: God, I love it, Karmick Justice.

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Speaker 3: That's after the break, Hello and welcome back to Crime List.

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Speaker 3: The podcast that celebrates the amazing creativity of the world

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Speaker 1: They always can. They're always capable.

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Speaker 3: We have not even come close to the bar of

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Speaker 3: I am Rory Scovel. So, Rory, what's your favorite sports team?

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Speaker 1: You know? Probably the Atlanta Braves in the nineties, maybe

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Crimeless, the podcast that may or may

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Speaker 3: to California. Okay, state we don't visit quite as often

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Speaker 3: gonna say, that's Albuquerque for you, I guess to me,

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00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 3: New Mexico is like turquoise and like old ladies painting.

438
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is still those things. It is still

439
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:23,480
Speaker 1: those things.

440
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 3: And Native Americans of course, lots of Okay, But we

441
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,879
Speaker 3: were talking about California. This happens to be our second

442
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,280
Speaker 3: story featuring a California restaurant that sells tacos. Yes, not

443
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 3: Taco Bell this time.

444
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:34,880
Speaker 1: Yes, here we go.

445
00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 3: In this case, it's Tacoia Garibaldi which has three locations

446
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 3: in the Sacramento area.

447
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,640
Speaker 1: Garibaldi, It just this sounds like Mexican Italian fusion.

448
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,639
Speaker 3: I don't think it is, but you're right. It's like

449
00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 3: one of those like the tacos with meatballs in.

450
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 1: The which, by the way, I now am craving and

451
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 1: I didn't even know I had a craving for a thing.

452
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 3: We just thought of, why aren't there burrito meatballs?

453
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 1: Thank you? Meat ball burritos meatballs?

454
00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,640
Speaker 3: A brito mebal is a weird thing.

455
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,399
Speaker 1: To meatballs wrapped in a flower tortilla that's been slightly

456
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 1: toasted on a sandwich press. Yeah, let's go.

457
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 3: So yes, I believe this is actually strictly Mexican.

458
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:10,640
Speaker 1: But you're right.

459
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 3: This is a great idea that we have just come

460
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 3: up with. Patten'ed that that burrito is ours.

461
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you bite into the brito, you're like this

462
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 1: pasta in here, ziti, whoa.

463
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:24,880
Speaker 3: We even have this slogan there you go.

464
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 1: This pasa in here, thisa this pasta in here. That's great.

465
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 3: All right, coming to a strip mall near you. Okay,

466
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 3: So back in twenty twenty one, Eduardo Hernandez, one of

467
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,919
Speaker 3: the owners, told his employees that he was calling in

468
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 3: a specialist to improve their mental health a Catholic priest,

469
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 3: is this is something any boss of yours has ever done.

470
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: I've never heard any of the words you just said

471
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 1: in one sentence together.

472
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 3: So, according to news reports, that supposed priest came in

473
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,400
Speaker 3: and asked Takaria workers a series of pretty leading questions

474
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Speaker 3: like had they stolen from the restaurant, been late to work,

475
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 3: or didn't like the owner. One employee, Maria Para, said

476
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 3: in the sworn oath reported by The New York Times,

477
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 3: that her encounter with the man who claimed he was

478
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,439
Speaker 3: there to quote get the sins out of me felt

479
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 3: more like an interrogation than a confession, which it basically was.

480
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: Of course.

481
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, the priest asked if I had stolen anything at work,

482
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Speaker 3: if I was late to my employment, or if I

483
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 3: did anything to harm my employer, and if I had

484
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 3: bad intentions toward my employment. As Paro said, was this

485
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 3: a real priest?

486
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Speaker 1: This was not a real priest, This was father red flag?

487
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? But yes, okay, So he had been hired by

488
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: Shay Garibaldi, Inc. The ownership group with the Takaria, not

489
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 3: to catch employees and actual theft, but to identify who

490
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 3: among them might be rats.

491
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 1: By the way, nothing would make me happier than to

492
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Speaker 1: find out it is the same marshal. And even though

493
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: he's dressed as a priest, still wearing a top hat,

494
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 1: I see a jacket because he just has to at

495
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: every sting.

496
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 3: He came from a wedding. So it's trying to identify

497
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 3: who among them might be rats or had the potential

498
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: to be rats. Because the restaurant was under investigation from

499
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 3: the Department of Labor for wage theft.

500
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: Oh okay, now I see what's going on. Love this

501
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: all right.

502
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 3: Which means the real purpse here.

503
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: This is like a little double cross in a way.

504
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: Exactly guys are the restaurant owners?

505
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:20,959
Speaker 1: Yes, love it.

506
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 3: According to The New York Times, Labor Department investigators believed

507
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 3: the intention of the confession scam was to intimidate workers

508
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 3: and possibly extract information about their interactions with investigators who

509
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: are looking into the alleged wage theft. Love it, which

510
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 3: had found that workers were not paid for overtime and

511
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 3: that their pooled tip money was often used to pay managers.

512
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: Yep.

513
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 3: So basically owners start to suspect or know they're under investigation.

514
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 3: They're trying to find out who's been talking to the investigators.

515
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 3: The way they do that is not by just asking

516
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 3: them or watching them. They hire a fake priest to

517
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 3: come in and give confession. Presumably because employers of a

518
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 3: Mexican restaurant are Mexicans. Mexico is a highly Catholic country.

519
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 3: These might or probably were religious people who might be

520
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: moved by the president of actually might say something to

521
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 3: a priest because they think it's a priest. Yeah, so smart,

522
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 3: but also quite devious and very devious.

523
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 1: But I gotta say super super smart.

524
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 3: Well accepted, backfired, and a federal judge ultimately ordered mister

525
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: Hernandez and the other owner of Takaria Garibaldi not home

526
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 3: to the Buruto met Paul Buruto right to pay one

527
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 3: hundred and forty grand and backpay and damages to thirty

528
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: five workers. So the fake priest scam failed or I

529
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 3: guess it backfired, Yeah, because they got in even more trouble.

530
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: It sounds like the priest was a bad actor.

531
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 3: You think that was a problem. I mean, if the

532
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,959
Speaker 3: one witness you were talking about, or the one victim

533
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: in a way was like it seemed more like an interrogation. Yeah,

534
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 3: it's like, oh yeah, maybe she was like the thirty

535
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 3: fifth employee to get interviewed, and he was like, look,

536
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: do you want to are you mad at them?

537
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: You want to? Are you mad at your wages?

538
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 3: I mean, bless our father?

539
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: Whatever? Yeah, he does it wrong. Just get signed to

540
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: the grass rock starts.

541
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 3: Let's just let's just get to it.

542
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, let's pray together for a second. Blah blah blah. Okay,

543
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: do you hate your boss?

544
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 3: We all do, right, Yeah, I mean I hate my boss?

545
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: Yeah not you got Jesus.

546
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you admit this place sounds like Mexican Italian fusion

547
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: at its core, so maybe there's something going on here.

548
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 3: Well yes, I actually had that thought, which is that, like,

549
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 3: if we're not already using this scam to trap mobsters,

550
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: shouldn't we be?

551
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

552
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: Right? Like the fake priests confession thing seems like if

553
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 3: the marshals in the FBI aren't doing this already, they

554
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: should be.

555
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: They should be constantly. I mean, who's to say that

556
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: any priest is is real? Like they could all be marshals.

557
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: Keep that in mind at your next confession, Josh, and

558
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 1: I know that you never go like I recommend.

559
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 3: But Takaria Garibaldi, as of this taping, is still in business.

560
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 3: Let's hope they're being nicer to employees. I rooted around

561
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: in their Google reviews to see if anyone was mad

562
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: about the priest thing, but I mostly saw positive reviews

563
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 3: of their food, only a few one stars, like this one,

564
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 3: which sounds like a modernist poem. Oh, food taste not great,

565
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 3: burrito not cooked well. Taco's two plane service was fast, okay,

566
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: ambiance was acceptable.

567
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: Busy place that does it does sound like someone writing

568
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: a hikup unaware of the syllabic rules of a hikup.

569
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 3: They're trying, you're talking you fuck it, I'll submit it.

570
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: Screw it. I know it's too many lines to me,

571
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: Silva's I don't care.

572
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: I'm always fascinated by people who write reviews of restaurants

573
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 3: when they don't really have super strong feelings one way

574
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: or the other. It was just like, this also was

575
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: pretty good. I don't know. My Bruno came out fast,

576
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: but the taco, you know, was a little bit dry.

577
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: It's like, really, my buddy Lars and his son are

578
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: always wildly fascinated by three star reviews because it's so

579
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: why why it's just either a five or a one?

580
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: Like what are we doing with the right exactly?

581
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 3: Because it's like if you love it or if you're mad,

582
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 3: that's when you tend to go and say something. If

583
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: you're just like, oh it was fine. I guess I'm

584
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 3: gonna go home and fire up the laptop.

585
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: And this place was fine three stars, Like and you

586
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: thought we needed to know that it's true. It's so true.

587
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 3: I also like, at one point went down a rabbit

588
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 3: hole of like things that get reviewed on Google. Google

589
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 3: allows you.

590
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: To review anything on Google Maps.

591
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I once, this is gonna sound like a

592
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: ridiculous thing to say. I was going to the CIA

593
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 3: headquarters for an event of reading. Basically, Yeah, there's a

594
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: backstory someday we'll tell you, but basically, I just I

595
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: went to Google Maps to see if I knew how

596
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 3: to get there in a car. And when I popped

597
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: up underneath I noticed still were like various star reviews

598
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 3: and looked at them. I'm like, some of them were jokes, obviously,

599
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 3: but others were like difficult location to find. I'm like, wait,

600
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: what I people like, why would.

601
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: People review this headquarters? I was obsessed with dairy Queen.

602
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: I love dairy Queen, and when I'm on the road

603
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: sometimes I want to find a dairy Queen and sometimes

604
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: you find one that has horrible reviews, and it's usually like, well, yeah,

605
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: no one's really leaving reviews. The only time you leave

606
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: a review at a fast food place is when it

607
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: wasn't good exactly, so they're always uncharacteristic. You go and

608
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know why it has one star.

609
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: It actually was pretty good. You're like, yeah, because one

610
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: person had a bad experience and that's the only review

611
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: that's ever been Like, if you're looking for a car wash,

612
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: odds are it's gonna have horrible reviews. Why would anyone

613
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: enjoy the car wash and then write about it. It's

614
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: so true, it's so true.

615
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 3: So basically reviews are worthless if you think of it

616
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: that way.

617
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, like I get it for

618
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: certain restaurants when people are like, oh, people need to

619
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: know this restaurant is good because it's a mom and pop,

620
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: independently owned place. But if you start getting into corporate

621
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 1: owned franchises, the only people leaving reviews were unhappy. Yeah

622
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: that's true.

623
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, because in theory, you kind of know what you're

624
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: getting exactly. By the way, the New York Times, which

625
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: does not like to leave any stones unturned, attempted to

626
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: solve the other remaining mystery, was the alleged priest actually

627
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: even a priest? The answer inconclusive.

628
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's illegal. Can you are you allowed

629
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: to impersonate a priest, like the way you're not supposed

630
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: to impersonate a cop upper a doctor.

631
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: It's a crime. It's probably which I guess it would.

632
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: It would get into crime territory if you start asking

633
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: for money or receiving benefits of some kind of You

634
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: could walk around with a priest caller.

635
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: And I don't think you mean to tell me that.

636
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: At the airport, I could just start flying wearing a

637
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: priest outfit, never saying I'm a priest. Just let people

638
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: make their own assumptions based on my clothing. I think

639
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: you should try it. This is worth an experiment, This

640
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: is worth it. See what happens. Yeah.

641
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 3: Also curious how people treat you. Yeah, you probably get

642
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: favorable treatment.

643
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

644
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, because everybody loves a Catholic priest. Nothing bad has

645
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: happened in the Catholic churchically and all of human history.

646
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: If it has people just brush it off. No one cares.

647
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: What am I gonna do?

648
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: Report backy?

649
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

650
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: They did manage to reach a spokesman for the Diocese

651
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: of Sacramento, which oversees Catholic churches in the metro area.

652
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: He said the man was not known to them, not

653
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 3: part of the diocese. I guess he could have been

654
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: an imported priest, but I'm gonna.

655
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: Get an imported priest. That is what a phrase the

656
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: name of our new band, all right? Give it for

657
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Speaker 1: the important priests.

658
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Speaker 3: Play in the opening of what's our Mexican Italian fusion

659
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 3: restaurant here? Yeah, we need to tell you we need

660
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: a name for the restaurant. That's our slogan is, hey,

661
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: there's pasta in here. Such a good slogan, Such a

662
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: good slogan.

663
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Speaker 1: All right.

664
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Speaker 3: I think we can all celebrate that the priest scam

665
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: backfired and the only people punished were the ones who

666
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 3: set it up. If the FBI is not using this

667
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: to nail mobsters, they got to do it, and it

668
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: feels like it would work. Yeah, I can assure you

669
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: we will also be revisiting this train because when I

670
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: was looking into stories, there are a lot of fake

671
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: priests stories out there.

672
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Speaker 1: Oh.

673
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: Also, to be fair to other faiths, fake religious leaders

674
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: of all kinds of amazing tales. So that's future.

675
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: Don't assume it's only Christian.

676
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: Definitely not. We have them from all the world. Everybody's represented,

677
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: including as I just read the latest evolution, which I'll

678
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: just mentioned here at the end, deep fake AI videos

679
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: of pastors preaching fire and brimstone and then asking for

680
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: my So just very briefly, i'm gonna give you a

681
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: snippet of this. I'm gonna turn the mic over to

682
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Speaker 3: Pastor Mike Schmidt, who you might know is that dashingly

683
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: a handsome guy on that podcast charts. He's always at

684
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: the top of the charts with his Bible in a

685
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Speaker 3: year podcast.

686
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Speaker 1: Yep, he's massive.

687
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Speaker 3: He's got this huge YouTube channel. And here's a warning

688
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: he recently played for his flock. There are people who

689
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: have made AI generated videos of me a audio of

690
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: me trying to raise money for something else, and it's

691
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: basically scam.

692
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: People can't necessarily tell that's a problem. This is your

693
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: last chance to receive God's blessings today and I come

694
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Speaker 1: in the name of Jesus to bring it. Must act

695
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: quickly because the sponsor sending prayers are already running out.

696
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: Secure your blessing before it's too late. Man, they look real,

697
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: you know. I wonder if he's ever heard of Joel Lastein,

698
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: because that's not a deep fake.

699
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: You're right. Yeah, But like poor pastor Mike, I don't

700
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Speaker 3: know our priest Mike.

701
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: Priest Mike, Father Mike. I like that he's not trying

702
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: to scam people for money. I appreciate that.

703
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: But amazingly, there are a lot of people out there

704
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: trying to use his robot.

705
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: Father Mike is trying to Some.

706
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: Of those videos were a little robotic, but they're literally

707
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: not bad.

708
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Right.

709
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: But again, like we were talking about the elderly, I

710
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: know the elderly is not sitting here being able to

711
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: distinguish AI at this point.

712
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: I know, I know.

713
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: So In closing, Rory, you live in the land of

714
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: the megachurch.

715
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: Be careful out there, love it. And also that's why

716
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: I moved here.

717
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: And yeah, if you go about life wondering just a little,

718
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: if everyone you encounter are setting you up, then we've

719
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: done our work today.

720
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: Yep.

721
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: Be skeptical. Yep, head on a swill, as they say.

722
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the military, that's me.

723
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: You know who's definitely setting you up for a quiz leg.

724
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: That's after the break.

725
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Speaker 3: Hello, law Abiding podcast fans of America, and welcome back

726
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: to Crimelsts, a weekly celebration of America's.

727
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: Foremost ding dongs.

728
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: It's now that time of the show when we passed

729
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: the mic rory, what's the.

730
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: Next lanes game?

731
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: Low energy there?

732
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: But oh wow, okay, wow, wow, guys, white games. There

733
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Speaker 1: we go.

734
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Speaker 4: So today we talked about some pretty good you know,

735
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 4: police work, some good setups and research. So I figured

736
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 4: today you guys could try your hand at solving some

737
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: of your own cases. I've got some Riddle show riddles,

738
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 4: riddles which I adapted from the forum section of Organ's

739
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: Recreation and Park Association's website, which also appear to be

740
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 4: from readers Digest Australia.

741
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: Would you say these riddles are just kind of small

742
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: in size, small riddles yeaheah, So we could call them

743
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: wittle riddles, little wittles, all right, wittle riddles.

744
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: Who gottle wittle riddles?

745
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: See, it's a theater game warm up before riddles. Unique

746
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: New York wittlew Riddles.

747
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: This one's called the Stolen Bracelet. A woman named Kathy

748
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: goes to the police claiming that someone broke into her

749
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 4: house and stole her diamond bracelet while she was at work.

750
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 4: The policeman investigate the scene and noticed that the window,

751
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 4: the bedroom window was broken. There are muddy footprints all

752
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 4: over the bedroom floor. However, the room is otherwise nean organized.

753
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: The following day, Kathy is arrested for fraud. Can you

754
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: figure out why.

755
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: The window was broken from the inside?

756
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like we used to read, actually still

757
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: do to our kids, the Encyclopedia Brown books. They're always

758
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: This is very reminiscent of that. It's probably something to

759
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: do the footprint. I think you're right, the window is

760
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: broken from the inside.

761
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 4: Correct That I started you guys off with a little

762
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: bit of a softball.

763
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Speaker 1: But yeah, because it was just because you gave us

764
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Speaker 1: just a wittle one to start at, a little wittle to.

765
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: Start a little bigger with this one.

766
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: This be a wittle bigger than the previous one that

767
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: was just a wittle itity bitty waiting, wait, wait a

768
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: little bit harder.

769
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Speaker 2: This one's called boaking out of jail Winking.

770
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: Out of jail.

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00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 4: Wow, accused of stealing the farmer's chickens. Jack is locked

772
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: up in an empty room in the local jail. His

773
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 4: cell has a dirt floor and is completely void of

774
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 4: any accessories except for his shovel. There's a window overlooking

775
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 4: the hills outside. Jack is determined to break out and

776
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: prove his citizens, but the window is too high to reach.

777
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 4: How can he escape? I'm going to note that digging

778
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: a tunnel is not feasible because the ground beneath him,

779
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 4: the dirt is rock hard, and he doesn't have the

780
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 4: energy to dig through it because he is deprived of

781
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 4: food and water.

782
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 2: So how is he getting out? Here's a shovel, He's

783
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: a shovel. There's a dirt floor.

784
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: Does he have a bed? Feel like something was said

785
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: earlier that I maybe skimmed over. Wait, he stole the

786
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: farmer's chickens and he was put in a little wootle

787
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: room by himself with a shovel, Which who are these cops?

788
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 3: Just a shovel? Is nothing else in the room?

789
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, So here's the details, empty room, dirt floor, only

790
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 4: on a shovel. He can see the outside from the windows,

791
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 4: can he can.

792
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: He stand on the shovel, you know, Josh, it just

793
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: say undecided.

794
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: Well no, but if you have the shovel, no picturing

795
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 3: the leaned against the wall, well, already pictured that scenario,

796
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: and then you just get enough of the lift then

797
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: you can grab the edge of the window.

798
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: Do you want to know what I pictured? I pictured

799
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: that he somehow gets the shovel through the bars, turns

800
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: it and now he's a handle, yeah, to pull himself up.

801
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna go undecided.

802
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: Okay, I was looking for Jack uses a shovel so

803
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 4: close with that, but he makes a pile of dirt.

804
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: I thought you said he couldn't dig into the dirt.

805
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: He can't make a tunnel. He can dig into.

806
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: My first guess was he was going to build a

807
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: mound of dirt, not even joking. That was legit my

808
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: first but I tucked it away because I thought he

809
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: couldn't dig. But then I was like, that's why they

810
00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: cops gave him the ship.

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00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 3: Trust you, Roy, We'll give you that one.

812
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 4: There's a little trick, all right. This one's called Thief

813
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 4: at Sea. A Japanese ship was leaving the port on

814
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 4: its way to Open Sea the captain went to go

815
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 4: oilsome parts of the ship and took his ring off

816
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 4: so it wouldn't get damaged. But when he came back,

817
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 4: he couldn't find his ring. Someone had stolen it. So

818
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 4: he suspects three crew members that could be guilty, and

819
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 4: he asked them what they had been doing for the

820
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 4: ten minutes that he was gone. Here's what they said. First,

821
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 4: the cook said, I was in the kitchen preparing tonight's dinner.

822
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 4: The engineer said I was working in the engine room

823
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 4: to make sure everything was running smoothly. And the first

824
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: mate said I was on the mask correcting the flag

825
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 4: because someone had attached it upside down by mistake. The

826
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 4: captain knew immediately who stole his ring, Who was it

827
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 4: and how did he know?

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00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: I know it. It was something in the first part

829
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: engine room guy, because he was in the engine doing

830
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: the oiling.

831
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right, of course the captain was in the

832
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Speaker 3: engineer who I'm.

833
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 4: Going to say no to that, But do you have

834
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 4: another I realized the way that the Australia readers that

835
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Speaker 4: I just wrote this can be confusing.

836
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: I'll read the first part again.

837
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: It's because the water goes around the sink the other way.

838
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 3: That's so that was my second guest. Honestly, I swear

839
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: to God that and the shovel thing. All right, so

840
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: give it. Let's try and give us one more time.

841
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 4: A Japanese ship was leaving the port on its way

842
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 4: to open sea. I'm just gonna say, the captain disappeared.

843
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 4: He just he went to the bathroom.

844
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: He took his ring off.

845
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: Okay, different story.

846
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 4: Because he was really getting in there, and when it

847
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 4: came back, it was gone. The first line is all

848
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 4: you need. A Japanese ship was leaving the port on

849
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 4: its way to see Yep.

850
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: Give us the suspects the alibis.

851
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: One more time.

852
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: I was in the kitchen preparing tonight's dinner. I was

853
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 4: working in the engine room to make sure everything was

854
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: running smoothly, and I was on the mast correcting the

855
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 4: flag because someone had attached it upside down by mistake.

856
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: I still don't know.

857
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: I have no idea a Japanese ship.

858
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: Oh, the third one, because it's a circle. The flag

859
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: looks there you go, And I knew that the whole time.

860
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: I was just trying to kind of get Josh to

861
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: see it the way I saw it.

862
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: Or he's so patient with you, Josh teammate.

863
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: It just takes a little bit of patient at it spends.

864
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 4: A honeymoon mystery. A couple went to Hawaii for their honeymoon. Unfortunately,

865
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Speaker 4: the husband returned home alone because his wife had died

866
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 4: in a horrible booting accident. The police contacted the travel

867
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Speaker 4: agent who booked the trip for the couple, and then

868
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Speaker 4: arrested the husband for murdering his wife because something the

869
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 4: travel agent told him tip them off. What did the

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Speaker 4: travel agent.

871
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: Say, Oh, he only bought one plane ticket home.

872
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I knew that. I already knew that. I

873
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: was just waiting for Josh catch up.

874
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 4: Basically, the travel agent revealed that he had booked a

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00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 4: one way ticket for his wife.

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00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the same, clearly at the point, just to

877
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: save the money. What a weirdo.

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Speaker 3: Kind of reminds me of the UH the Pilot to

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Speaker 3: UH Colombo, which I recently watched. I have no idea

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Speaker 3: what happens to the It's a it's kind of a

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Speaker 3: mystery of traveling on a vacation not coming back together.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to give too much away.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people probably got it on their list

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Speaker 1: no spoilers, they are.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's very hot right now, Colomba.

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Speaker 4: All right, this is the last one, which I'm just

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Speaker 4: calling murder or suicide because a man was found dead

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Speaker 4: on the floor with an old cassette recorder in one

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Speaker 4: hand in the gun, and the other. When the police

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Speaker 4: arrived at the scene, they pressed play on the recorder.

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Speaker 4: It was the man's voice. He said, I have nothing

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Speaker 4: else to live for, I can't go on, followed by

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Speaker 4: the sound of a gunshot. After listening, the police knew

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Speaker 4: that it was a murder, not a suicide.

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Speaker 5: How did they know the The fingerprint on the recorder

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Speaker 5: didn't match the fingerprint on the gun.

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Speaker 3: The stop button had been hit? Oh, because it would

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Speaker 3: If he had recorded it and then shot himself, it

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Speaker 3: would still record, wouldn't It would still be recording. It

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Speaker 3: would have been longer recording.

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Speaker 1: Close.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if the dead man had killed himself,

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Speaker 4: he wouldn't have been able to press rewind on the

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Speaker 4: cassette recorder.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically basically yeah, yeah, like it had they

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Speaker 3: could have stopped it from recording.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, they found it.

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Speaker 2: They just pushed play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got got it.

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Speaker 3: I'm taking credit. I'm accepting credit for that. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: give Josh credit for that, but just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: There's a little bit of credit. I also like my

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Speaker 1: fingerprint thing. Not trying to start an argument. I know

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Speaker 1: obviously I'm not trying to start an argument.

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Speaker 4: Could have it could have worked, you know, it's not

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Speaker 4: the I don't have the full picture of how this

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Speaker 4: investigation went down hypothetical.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the CSI version. The genetic material did.

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Speaker 2: Not match exactly the trace DNA that.

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Speaker 3: We did pretty well.

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Speaker 1: I think we got it most of them.

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Speaker 2: He did really well.

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Speaker 3: We did really really well.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit really really well. Whittles, whittle riddles.

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Speaker 2: Maybe a recurring segment.

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Speaker 3: We did willy well on the wittles. Let's go all right,

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Speaker 3: We'll see you next week. H Crimeless is a production

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Speaker 3: me Josh Dean. Our senior producer is Lane Rose. Emma

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Speaker 3: Simonov is our associate producer. We're sound designed and engineered

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