Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death presents External Exams with Nicole and Jimmy.
Speaker 2: Over the past few weeks on Mother Knows Death, Maria
Speaker 2: and I have talked about a variety of news stories
Speaker 2: that involve the GI system and in particular the newest
Speaker 2: fad of weight loss with drugs like ozembic, and on
Speaker 2: today's External Exam, I thought it would be perfect if
Speaker 2: we spoke with a GI specialist, So I'd like to
Speaker 2: welcome doctor Partha Nandy. Hi, It's an honor to have
Speaker 2: you here.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks, Nicole. I like when people say external exam.
Speaker 1: When my patients say external exam, that only means one thing,
Speaker 1: so we're not doing that today, but absolutely pleasure. It's
Speaker 1: a pleasure to join me today.
Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. And doctor Nandy is a gastro
Speaker 2: enterlogist as well as a holistic health practitioner, and he
Speaker 2: as a host of his own TV show that is
Speaker 2: called Ask Doctor and Nandie tell us about that a
Speaker 2: little bit. What's up with your TV show? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know what happened was my dad. He was my
Speaker 1: biggest hero when I was growing up and he got sick.
Speaker 1: When you know, how long has it been now, it's
Speaker 1: been about sixteen years ago he got He was very healthy,
Speaker 1: never never really had any time to was the hospital,
Speaker 1: but he got a devastating stroke. And what happened then, Nicole,
Speaker 1: is that I was I thought it was a pretty
Speaker 1: good doc. I thought I was empathetic. I thought I
Speaker 1: did a good job. But what I became the patient
Speaker 1: because of my dad and the advocate, I realized that
Speaker 1: there's a lot I didn't know. What I mean by
Speaker 1: that is how to be able to advocate for yourself
Speaker 1: what it feels like as a patient through our health system,
Speaker 1: and also how do I how do I as a patient,
Speaker 1: not as a doctor, to prevent what happened to my dad. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought about how to do it. I
Speaker 1: had a friend who was a producer in la and
Speaker 1: he he talked to me and said, you know, some
Speaker 1: of the things you talked to me about, doctor Dady,
Speaker 1: we could we could do television. So it certained a
Speaker 1: television show that basically talks about empowering you know, to
Speaker 1: yourself to be a healthier which is your own advocate
Speaker 1: for yourself and your family. And that's what began, and
Speaker 1: we started in one television station in Detroit. That's where
Speaker 1: I'm from and then now you know we're syndicated throughout
Speaker 1: the country in the world. It's because when I have
Speaker 1: a simple message, is that make your health and wellness
Speaker 1: your parody, which is a lot what you're doing. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of my that's our mission, our you know,
Speaker 1: our north star. And then we called the folks that
Speaker 1: believe in that health herold. We think everybody should be
Speaker 1: a health hero.
Speaker 2: So when you went to medical school, you became you
Speaker 2: specialized in GI. Is that have you done that since
Speaker 2: you graduated medical school and did a residency in GI
Speaker 2: you've been doing that this whole time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what happens is you do medical four years
Speaker 1: and you do residents you for three years in internal medicines.
Speaker 1: You become a specialized specialist in everything, right, which is
Speaker 1: internal medicine. And that's helpful for my show because I
Speaker 1: talk about everything. And so once you finish internal medicine,
Speaker 1: then you do three more years of being a sub specialist,
Speaker 1: which is a gastronogist. So that means diseases of the testine,
Speaker 1: the liver, the pancreas, the colon, the digestive issues. S.
Speaker 1: I liked it because you know, you get to talk
Speaker 1: to people and then be an expert. But you also
Speaker 1: get to do some procedures where you look inside the
Speaker 1: stomach with today, we had a patient that was bleeding.
Speaker 1: I was able to put a clip stop the bleeding.
Speaker 1: I think that's cool because you have a patient that's sick,
Speaker 1: you do something and they get better. That part of it.
Speaker 1: I like. I almost like counseling them for prevention. So
Speaker 1: that's why I like gastrorology.
Speaker 2: I get that GIG system is probably my favorite system too.
Speaker 2: I just I feel like I like it the most
Speaker 2: when I'm doing an autopsy or something, so I understand
Speaker 2: why you like it. So, seeing how long have you
Speaker 2: been a GI doctor for about decades?
Speaker 1: A couple of decades.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so over the years you've probably seen since
Speaker 2: you deal with the GI system, you've probably seen some
Speaker 2: changes in weight loss trends. I would say, and I
Speaker 2: know some of this because I worked in surgical pathology
Speaker 2: for like twenty years, so I would say maybe ten
Speaker 2: years ago, like all the rage was sleeve gas jrectomy
Speaker 2: every day, getting multiple sleeve gas diractomies, and now it
Speaker 2: seems to be all the rage is like these weight
Speaker 2: loss drugs like ozempic, right, and now we have we
Speaker 2: have all these celebrities that have been losing weight over
Speaker 2: the past couple of years and now over the past
Speaker 2: couple of months, people like Oprah, Sharon Osbourne. They're all
Speaker 2: coming out and saying like, yeah, I use ozempic. So
Speaker 2: now it's that's the drug of choice right now. And
Speaker 2: can you explain to us exactly like what oze is
Speaker 2: and how does it help a person lose weight?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right, And to me, it's a revolution
Speaker 1: It's like it's a revolutionary drug because it's it's working
Speaker 1: in a way that people understand it. And you know,
Speaker 1: when people did gastric surgeries like the sleep gastrectomies like
Speaker 1: you're talking about. There are multiple ways for people who
Speaker 1: are listening watching is that you know how you can
Speaker 1: you can have weight loss. One of them is kind
Speaker 1: of part of the stomachs. You can't eat and you
Speaker 1: reroute it so you physically are not able to absorb
Speaker 1: nutrients and not eat. You can't eat enough and so
Speaker 1: you physically restrict it. This drug like you talked about
Speaker 1: a zempic and it's analogue with govy. Remember zempic is
Speaker 1: indicated for diabetes, right, and for people with diabetics. Its
Speaker 1: analogue with gov is indicated for for weight loss, but
Speaker 1: people use it interchangeably. So let's talk about just so zembic.
Speaker 1: It's there's a class. It's a class of medication called
Speaker 1: semi glue tide, and what it does is it kind
Speaker 1: of mimics it. It pretends like it's a it's a
Speaker 1: hormone that naturally occurs the body. And what that does
Speaker 1: is when that hormone kind of goes up, it goes
Speaker 1: to your brain and then the brain says, aha, I'm full.
Speaker 1: So you're not struggling. You just don't feel like eating,
Speaker 1: which is magnificent for people who are like, it's always
Speaker 1: hungry and I can't stop it, right, So it does
Speaker 1: that in addition to that, In addition, it slows down
Speaker 1: by digestion by increasing the amount of time it takes
Speaker 1: for food. So in boxing, it's like a one two
Speaker 1: punch because you're not only not feeling full or not
Speaker 1: feeling hungry, but you also feel full for a longer
Speaker 1: punt of time. And that's why it's so effective. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of people, especially when my colleagues are kind
Speaker 1: of like they pukou it. I think, I think it's
Speaker 1: not so bad. I think you've tried everything else and
Speaker 1: this is the big if. Right. I had a lady Nicole,
Speaker 1: it said, and she was not obese. She said, eh, doctor, nanny,
Speaker 1: can I do it? So it's ten to fifteen pounds.
Speaker 1: And it looked good in my bathing sit like it.
Speaker 1: It's not what this is or that's to me the key.
Speaker 1: You may see Oprah like melting away, or you know
Speaker 1: some other celebrity and you can tell they're like dramatic loss. Wait,
Speaker 1: that's one thing and they're doing it. But if you're
Speaker 1: not obese, first of all, I don't think you should
Speaker 1: do that. But secondly, you should couple it with the
Speaker 1: things we talk about by being you. On Healthy Ero,
Speaker 1: we talked about five pillers. It's purposeful living. Number two
Speaker 1: is not a diet, but getting the right foods in
Speaker 1: your body. Number three is movement with purpose. You gotta
Speaker 1: move and do things, have community and spirituality. I think
Speaker 1: you got to really have a holistic approach to doing this.
Speaker 1: Let's say you don't do all five, at least move
Speaker 1: and at least have healthy foods. It doesn't mean because
Speaker 1: I'm taking we go over your ozeen bake and now
Speaker 1: I can, you know, have a juicy you know, double cheese, whatever,
Speaker 1: burger concoction, only what I want to eat. So you've
Speaker 1: got to eat better, you gotta eat healthy and move
Speaker 1: along with this. But to me, it's gonna change things
Speaker 1: because I've already seen the demands. I do endoscopy, which
Speaker 1: is basically taking a little skill going into your mouth
Speaker 1: and neuroesophagus and stomach. I do that preoperatively, meaning that
Speaker 1: I tell the surgeons, hey, this patient can is okay
Speaker 1: to have a gastric bypass. Certainty that demand nicoll is
Speaker 1: way down already, not to mention what's gonna happen in
Speaker 1: the future as we get more and more in these drugs.
Speaker 1: So to me, the grain area is, hey, what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen long term? We're talking about a couple of months,
Speaker 1: three months, four months, five months, maybe even a year,
Speaker 1: But what happens five years down the road, you know,
Speaker 1: when you've taken this drugs, So I'd like to know
Speaker 1: what the long term side effects now. But I think
Speaker 1: it's another tool in our armamentarium to be able to
Speaker 1: fight obesity, which to me is the biggest epidemic in
Speaker 1: the planet.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, and I would say that a
Speaker 2: majority of the autopsies that I do, the patient has obesity,
Speaker 2: and younger people that are that are, you know, this
Speaker 2: prime age of women that I was seeing, especially between
Speaker 2: like fifty and sixty years old, way too young to die,
Speaker 2: but all obese and just I think it's really important
Speaker 2: that no matter how you lose it, you lose it
Speaker 2: because of the comorbidities associated with obesity. But it's funny
Speaker 2: that you mentioned that about the short term weight loss
Speaker 2: for people that like me, like I'm trying to lose
Speaker 2: like five or ten pounds, just oh, just take this medication.
Speaker 2: We had a story in the news actually of a
Speaker 2: woman that was given ozempic because she was trying to
Speaker 2: lose weight for her daughter's wedding to fit into the dress.
Speaker 2: So we're talking what ten to fifteen pounds max. And
Speaker 2: she ended up having a bowel obstruction and dying because
Speaker 2: of it. And so what are some of the negative
Speaker 2: effects that you see with this type of drug.
Speaker 1: Well, it's slowing down the intestinal motility. The movie of
Speaker 1: the of the food right, that's going through So people
Speaker 1: who already have problems with movement through your intestine can
Speaker 1: cause problems. You mentioned. You know, it's not common, it's rare.
Speaker 1: You could have problems with obstruction, which is a blockage
Speaker 1: I mean intestine. Let's say if you have a little
Speaker 1: bit of an area and then you slow things down
Speaker 1: even more, potentially you can you can make that worse.
Speaker 1: You can have problems with gall bladder problems. You could
Speaker 1: have problems with pagre titis. There's rare problems with infections.
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of you know, other side effects you
Speaker 1: can have, but the main ones are dealing with your
Speaker 1: food and your stomach not moving through, so you can
Speaker 1: have nausea, blow ding, abdominal discomforts. If you have any
Speaker 1: of those issues, don't forget to mention your doctor. People
Speaker 1: are so desperate to get this they don't They don't
Speaker 1: want to tell them anything about what's going on. Even
Speaker 1: if they know that there's possibility of this happening, they
Speaker 1: don't tell their doctor or their healthcare provider. It's important
Speaker 1: you let people know the street. If you have any
Speaker 1: yaspintestol issues, let your doctor figure that out. Any GI issues.
Speaker 1: What I mean is a nauseously the um bloating, you
Speaker 1: have discomfort, let them know, because this could make it worse.
Speaker 1: In some cases, it can make it significantly worse, leading
Speaker 1: to hospitalization. So again, it's not to be taken lightly.
Speaker 1: It's not just why eject myself and I'm gonna look great.
Speaker 1: It's more than that. And again again I'll say it
Speaker 1: has to be coupled with diet and having good food
Speaker 1: choices and exercise.
Speaker 2: Do you think that doctors that are prescribing this are
Speaker 2: giving that message because I personally have friends and family
Speaker 2: members that take these medications and they still eat like shit,
Speaker 2: they don't exercise. And one family member very close when
Speaker 2: I won't name her name in particular, had serious issues
Speaker 2: with motility, like almost had to go to the hospital,
Speaker 2: and she doesn't have great eating habits and had some
Speaker 2: kind of an obstruction, severe abdominal pain and up passing it,
Speaker 2: but then had bleeding and the rectum and everything because
Speaker 2: of it. And I don't I don't think that anyone
Speaker 2: ever really said to her, you need to change your
Speaker 2: your ways. So that concerns me.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, you know, we as
Speaker 1: doctors also want to keep our patients happy. It's easier
Speaker 1: just to write a strip right and have them go
Speaker 1: on their way than taking the time to say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what's going to happen, because then comes up, oh,
Speaker 1: if so, do you think that I should do this
Speaker 1: or not? You see what I'm saying. It's harder to
Speaker 1: do that. So lots of people say, I think it'll
Speaker 1: be all right, say if your take it, because well,
Speaker 1: you've been to you've been to people like myself. You
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of time. I mean, you're in
Speaker 1: and out so quickly. And if it's just that you're
Speaker 1: here for the drug that you're looking for for weight
Speaker 1: loss or diabetes management, let's say, then you're you know,
Speaker 1: if you just write the prescription, you're on the way.
Speaker 1: So I think it's our responsibility, and this is for
Speaker 1: anybody who's healthcare professional to really let the patient. No,
Speaker 1: this is not a no brainer. It's like a nothing
Speaker 1: burner or something. It's not like taking it's not like
Speaker 1: taking something that is innocuous, right, It's something that's significant
Speaker 1: in your body that could could potentially harm it. So
Speaker 1: I think that people are not saying, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: you could have your kidneys get damaged. Hey, you could
Speaker 1: have changes in your in your vision or worsening constipation,
Speaker 1: you know, like your pain group will get in played
Speaker 1: because I think that it's just it's just a much
Speaker 1: more involved conversation. And to be honest, some may not
Speaker 1: even know that. Some healthcare defessionals are ready, may not
Speaker 1: even know that there are these complications. So I think
Speaker 1: it's it's it's again be your and health theory. You're
Speaker 1: taking something, get to know yourself. We have resources now,
Speaker 1: get to know these side effects and see, hey, you
Speaker 1: know what. I'll go to my doctor and say I
Speaker 1: have these problems and you know the side effects. Can
Speaker 1: you think that's right for me? It's got to be
Speaker 1: a joint decision of partnership. It's not like I want
Speaker 1: to lose weight to take this all. It's a great
Speaker 1: drag and it can work. It can work, But I
Speaker 1: think that I don't think that it's something that should
Speaker 1: be taken lightly and should be taken with the direction
Speaker 1: of your healthcare provider, and you have to ask them,
Speaker 1: can something bad happen with this?
Speaker 2: I like that you mentioned about the long term side
Speaker 2: effects because obviously this drug hasn't been out too long
Speaker 2: to really know what is going to happen. In fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty years down the line with people that have been
Speaker 2: taking this medication long term. And obviously this medication isn't
Speaker 2: for people to take for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be a correct I mean, if they're
Speaker 2: not taking it for diabetes management or something. So I
Speaker 2: don't know if you heard this, but recently a huge company,
Speaker 2: weight Watchers, has kind of gotten on the ozempic bandwagon
Speaker 2: and now they offer a subscription that you can get
Speaker 2: ozempic along with their weight loss pro which is good
Speaker 2: because they teach healthy eating habits and stuff. But do
Speaker 2: you feel like our culture is kind of like heavily
Speaker 2: going hard into this ozepic and giving up things like
Speaker 2: the regular way that you used to lose weight with,
Speaker 2: like caloric restriction and exercise.
Speaker 1: And I think that's you're absolute to me. You as
Speaker 1: a as a person prescribing, have to make it very important.
Speaker 1: Once you get your goal, you have to continue to
Speaker 1: do the other things besides the medication. Otherwise, I mean,
Speaker 1: there are studies right now that show that if you don't,
Speaker 1: if you continue to do what you're doing before these empic,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll gain the weight right back. It's not magical. Right,
Speaker 1: So once you take away the active substances that's making
Speaker 1: your brain feel like you're full and you're slowing down
Speaker 1: the speed of the stomach moving food through, you're going
Speaker 1: to gain the weight back. So it's really important to
Speaker 1: learn those habits while you're taking the drugs. If you
Speaker 1: don't have those habits, so you're absolutely right, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's not meant for them to just keep taking it forever.
Speaker 1: Some people will take it for a longer period of
Speaker 1: time because they may not get the weight loss, but
Speaker 1: it's not meant for people who are trying to have
Speaker 1: weight loss and not having diabetes. It's not forever. But
Speaker 1: again we have to let the patients know. You got
Speaker 1: to you've got to be able to understand the other
Speaker 1: two things that you do just movement, just exercise and
Speaker 1: eating well. And to be eating well, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you know, you eat less. It means that when
Speaker 1: you eat the foods, make sure they're a whole, make
Speaker 1: sure they're nutritious.
Speaker 3: Make sure that they give you the nutrients you need
Speaker 3: and not just just looking at the taste and that's it.
Speaker 1: You know, like you have you know, cheeseburger for examples
Speaker 1: may taste good, but the nutrient value and the toxic
Speaker 1: value TAXX and load is huge. So you've got to
Speaker 1: be able to teach those. We have to be able
Speaker 1: to do that. Patients who come to you for this
Speaker 1: have clearly not learned this, most of them, because otherwise
Speaker 1: they would be asking you for that. So we have
Speaker 1: to be able to teach are our patients that to
Speaker 1: be able to do that, otherwise you're not how successful.
Speaker 1: It's gonna come again and again, or they're gonna be
Speaker 1: in the drug for a very long time.
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Speaker 2: now that you're talking about toxic foods, this is a
Speaker 2: good time to get it to this subject. I worked
Speaker 2: years ago with a brilliant GI pathologist. She was awesome,
Speaker 2: and she was like very much into this, the new
Speaker 2: research of all this leaky gucks stuff we were talking about.
Speaker 2: And back when she was talking about this, this was
Speaker 2: like fifteen years ago, probably people were kind of thinking
Speaker 2: she was a quack for thinking, for believing in this stuff.
Speaker 2: And now all of this research is coming out that
Speaker 2: most people agree that leaky gut is is a thing.
Speaker 2: Could you please explain exactly what that is to our listeners?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's a great question. And so if you
Speaker 1: think about where blood and poop are separated, right, you
Speaker 1: think that it's a huge barrier. It's one cell layer thick.
Speaker 1: So let's say this is a cell. You know, my
Speaker 1: hand on this side is pooh, this side is blood.
Speaker 1: So your GI tractor, testinal tract, the cells have a
Speaker 1: huge job to be able to prove that stuff that's
Speaker 1: in your poop to go in your blood. And when
Speaker 1: it doesn't do that well, people who are very insightful,
Speaker 1: like your GeOI pathologists that you worked with, called it
Speaker 1: a leaky gut because it's happened. Your gut is leaky.
Speaker 1: Stuff comes true. But now we, like you said, there's
Speaker 1: there are studies that's showing that this works. We have
Speaker 1: a fancy or name for it. It's called intestinal permeability.
Speaker 1: So what happens is that in that one cell layer
Speaker 1: thic you know, barrier between poop and blood, you have
Speaker 1: these things called tight junctions which are like completely sealed
Speaker 1: tight and it's kind of like a very very sophisticated
Speaker 1: group of bouncers that will not let anything in or
Speaker 1: let anything out that doesn't belong. So once those those
Speaker 1: defense mechanisms of your of your intestinal track are not there,
Speaker 1: stuff can get through. And you think, you say, so
Speaker 1: what you know what if stuff gets true, Well, it
Speaker 1: won't be like big chunks of stool. We're not talking
Speaker 1: about that. On the microscope level, you're having little particles
Speaker 1: which are toxins, let's say, from above from a bacteria.
Speaker 1: One of them we know it's called LPs or light
Speaker 1: bulb polysachara. When that goes in the blood stream, here's
Speaker 1: what happened ago, your entire defense system goes, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: something happened. So you're all of your your immune systems.
Speaker 1: So I call it kind of your almost your entire
Speaker 1: defense of your body. So your white cells come in,
Speaker 1: your natural killer cells, your lymphocide, everything comes through. It
Speaker 1: comes through. If you make the analogy in your in
Speaker 1: the in the country, you have the FBI, the CIA,
Speaker 1: and the army, the Navy. Everybody comes and says there
Speaker 1: is an attack. Something's come through, and it starts attacking
Speaker 1: because it thinks something's there in that reaction. If you
Speaker 1: haven't once in a while, won't matter. But if that
Speaker 1: leak continues and you have more stuff that comes through,
Speaker 1: that's the beginning of inflammation because then these cells continue
Speaker 1: to be activated trying to get rid of whatever this
Speaker 1: toxin that's coming through, and when it continues, it can
Speaker 1: cause inflammation. And inflammation is the beginning of all disease,
Speaker 1: whether it's of the heart, whether it's in the brain
Speaker 1: and long any part of it. That's why to me,
Speaker 1: the gut and you and I, you know, a realness
Speaker 1: is the gun is such an important part of your body.
Speaker 1: Why because it's the center. It's it's it's if you
Speaker 1: can fix the gut, not get leaky gut. Change what's
Speaker 1: called your microbiome, which is the trillions of bugs in
Speaker 1: your intestine system you can help prevent disease. I'm writing
Speaker 1: a book about comparing taking your gut health and optimizing
Speaker 1: it to prevent diseases of the brain like the one
Speaker 1: my dad had, And it's it's startling what you can
Speaker 1: do to your with your gut to be able to
Speaker 1: prevent that. But to answer your question, you know this,
Speaker 1: this leaky gut is such an important idea because if
Speaker 1: you can prevent that and keep your gun healthy, then
Speaker 1: you can you can really conquer so many diseases that
Speaker 1: we that we we suffer with in our country a
Speaker 1: throughout the world. Stuff like heart disease, cancer, autoimmune disease.
Speaker 1: All these are inflammatory conditions that can make things worse.
Speaker 2: And do you think that this inflammation is obviously it's
Speaker 2: like more linked to processed Food's correct in a sense.
Speaker 1: The inflammation is there, but it's inflammation on the side
Speaker 1: of the cell that's going towards the blood and also
Speaker 1: on the side which is in the intestinal cell. And
Speaker 1: it absolutely it will be difficult to process ood if
Speaker 1: you have increased inflammation. But what's even more startling is
Speaker 1: that that inflammation then can then affect the rest of
Speaker 1: the body. And this is where it's exploding Nicole. Every
Speaker 1: single specialty in medicine, every disease state is finding that
Speaker 1: if you your gut held is bad, then your disease
Speaker 1: state of that organ is bad. So let's talk about
Speaker 1: the brain. In Alzheimer's time was got almost if you
Speaker 1: look at hard disease, or people with cornering our disease,
Speaker 1: or people with Crone's disease or rheumatary threaticism, there's a
Speaker 1: change in the way the gut is and the microbiome
Speaker 1: as well. In the processing of foods. You know, when
Speaker 1: you don't have the right environment, your food's processing incorrectly
Speaker 1: and your food doesn't become your friend anymore. And that's
Speaker 1: what we have to prevent it. And there's simple ways
Speaker 1: of doing it. Try not to eat processed foods. It's
Speaker 1: super simple. Try to eat foods that you can see.
Speaker 1: Maybe even do the unthinkable. Go into your kitchen and
Speaker 1: actually use it and not use your phone to have
Speaker 1: somebody deliver it, so you can take your rolling chair
Speaker 1: and go to the door, pick up the food, go
Speaker 1: back to your couch and eat it. I mean, when
Speaker 1: you do that, it's so unnatural. For human beings throughout history,
Speaker 1: we'd had to hunt and gather, we had to move around,
Speaker 1: get our own food, real foods. That's what we've been
Speaker 1: looking at for millions of years. Right, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: in the last fifty you've got everything changed. Right. Food's
Speaker 1: made in the factory and given to you. You heat
Speaker 1: it up in this thing called the microwave or whatever,
Speaker 1: and everything's made in a factory. If we can just
Speaker 1: go back and find foods that your body is used to,
Speaker 1: like whole vegetables and fruits and things that are the
Speaker 1: meats that are not made in little tiny you know,
Speaker 1: coops where artificial growth is happening for meats. I mean,
Speaker 1: if we eat food the way we used to, then
Speaker 1: we'll do well. Why because that's what's brought us here
Speaker 1: for all these years. Now, in the last fifty years,
Speaker 1: everything's changed. So back to your question about about the
Speaker 1: gut and leaky gut, because what the what the microbiome
Speaker 1: and the gut does not like is everything that we eat.
Speaker 1: Let's have a box of cereal because that's shown on
Speaker 1: TV full of processed foods, full of artificial sugars. Or
Speaker 1: let's have a slice of pepperoni, pizza sec an atomic
Speaker 1: weapon against your gut. Bad farms, bad fat preservatives. I mean,
Speaker 1: your gut doesn't know what to do. It's like it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm like and it's shaky, you know, microscopicalleen and so
Speaker 1: that once in a while, I'm not crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: I have kids that birthday parties do. I have a
Speaker 1: slice of beets, absolutely, But when you make that slice
Speaker 1: of pizza or your burger or your fries every single day,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people do, or your TV dinners
Speaker 1: or your process foods every day, then your body can't
Speaker 1: handle it. It goes into overload. Leaky gut happens, you
Speaker 1: have inteslino permeability, the beginning of disease. And is it
Speaker 1: a wonder that I have a thirty five year old
Speaker 1: personal colmb cancer that I'm talking to a twenty nine
Speaker 1: year old saying that, my god, they told me I
Speaker 1: have breast cancer. Like, we're just shocked and bewildered that
Speaker 1: all the stuff is happening. But the crack that we
Speaker 1: put in our bodies, and that's just the food we're
Speaker 1: talking about, not to mention the unbelievable amount of stress
Speaker 1: that we put on ourselves. Right, all those things lead
Speaker 1: toward the healthy gut. But we can make the simple
Speaker 1: practices that you do every day that can reverse that.
Speaker 1: And the quicker you do that, and and the younger
Speaker 1: you are when you do that, the more prolific the
Speaker 1: changes are.
Speaker 2: So you have a guide on your website that people
Speaker 2: can can look at that tells you it's kind of
Speaker 2: cool because it's like a quick if you if you
Speaker 2: have to eat processed foods, here's how to make better choices.
Speaker 2: Kind of yeah, And what.
Speaker 1: We want people to do is be real, right, So
Speaker 1: we'll give you a guide and say, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: this is toxic, this is not, and so you can
Speaker 1: you can look and choose and see what you can
Speaker 1: do because.
Speaker 3: To us, excuse me, to me and the little people
Speaker 3: that work with me, we want to make it simple.
Speaker 1: If it's complicated, then and it's bad. So this guy
Speaker 1: is gonna be simple. You can read it. It's written
Speaker 1: in normal language, it's understandable. So yeah, well, we'll be
Speaker 1: happy to give it to your your listeners, reviewers whenever
Speaker 1: if if they choose to have it.
Speaker 2: And you are also sell some supplements on your website,
Speaker 2: and there are mostly vitamins that are what they're really
Speaker 2: good for you, obviously, and with the processed foods and everything,
Speaker 2: we're not getting a lot of those those things. Correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's happening is that our soil becaus is devoid.
Speaker 1: We have over you know, farm land put so many
Speaker 1: what are called you know, GMO products and seeds basically
Speaker 1: sucks all nutrients out of the soil. This is an example.
Speaker 1: So let's say you eat a cabbage now versus nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty five, it's completely different. So what was happening in
Speaker 1: my medical career is I would get patients coming with
Speaker 1: these big old bags and say, doctor, that come with
Speaker 1: fifteen supplements. What should I take? What shouldn't I know?
Speaker 1: Said yes, no, yes, no, And I said, you know,
Speaker 1: to our team, I said, you know, why don't we
Speaker 1: create our line so I can curate it and let
Speaker 1: people know. We went to manufacturers and see how they
Speaker 1: actually made it and what their sites look like, and
Speaker 1: that I wanted to not just say here's here's your
Speaker 1: vitamin D, here's your vitamin K, here's the nutrient supplement
Speaker 1: that you can take, but rather isn't nutrient dense. So
Speaker 1: you look at let's say grocery store and you have
Speaker 1: like a vitamin D, it may come in a form
Speaker 1: that's not bioavailable. What that means is you take it
Speaker 1: and it seems like the same number as let's say
Speaker 1: that what we pick, but ours is more bioavailable, so
Speaker 1: more stuff gets in your gud. So we're careful to
Speaker 1: make sure that the manufacturing is appropriate, that the product
Speaker 1: is highly high quality, so that we would take it
Speaker 1: in our family. So and I mean we did that
Speaker 1: because for many, many years I've been curating it, so
Speaker 1: we decided to do it our own. It's it's from
Speaker 1: the Healthy Real Pharmacy, and it's just you know, it's
Speaker 1: my name part and any MB supplement. So yeah, if
Speaker 1: anybody wants to know more about it, I'll get some
Speaker 1: more information for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's good because a lot of times, like
Speaker 2: I just order my vitamins off Amazon, which is probably
Speaker 2: a horrible idea because who even knows who's making them.
Speaker 2: So it's nice to think I could get them from
Speaker 2: a trusted a trusted source. But before we let you go,
Speaker 2: we want to talk about a couple of news stories
Speaker 2: that we that we covered over the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: One you'll find these really interesting because they're GI related
Speaker 2: and they all have to do with foreign bodies, which
Speaker 2: is always everyone's favorite subject. There was a woman in
Speaker 2: Spain who said that she was choking on turkey and
Speaker 2: she tried to get the turkey out of her throat
Speaker 2: with a toothbrush, and then she accidentally swallowed the toothbrush
Speaker 2: and they had to do an endoscopy to remove the toothbrush.
Speaker 2: And my first thought, as a as a person that
Speaker 2: worked in pathology that's received all of these foreign bodies
Speaker 2: that you guys take out, I was I thought, I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's exactly the story, because I've received
Speaker 2: so many large things like pens, butter knifs from people
Speaker 2: that were boleemic, and I have heard that the gag
Speaker 2: reflex is not what it is when people are inducing
Speaker 2: vomiting so much and they stick larger objects down there
Speaker 2: to make themselves throw up, and that that is what
Speaker 2: I think how the toothbrush got down there. But again,
Speaker 2: I think it's possible she was trying to dislodge something,
Speaker 2: but I think the more likely story is that that's
Speaker 2: how it got there.
Speaker 1: And then you know you're right. We see the wildest
Speaker 1: things people put in there, and I just thought, well,
Speaker 1: just be honest with us. We're not here to judge you.
Speaker 1: You know, people you find things the rectum, they go, oh,
Speaker 1: I was just I just sat on it, and it's
Speaker 1: just like, okay.
Speaker 2: You that did not happen.
Speaker 1: No way a jurbil gets inside of you because you
Speaker 1: sat on it. You know, people put the most amazing
Speaker 1: things of the rectum and their mouth. So people I've
Speaker 1: seen razor blades, I've seen obviously crosses, I've seen every
Speaker 1: kind of device that's put in. And then you know,
Speaker 1: from the other hand, anything that's stimmylates, you know, the rectum,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll put in all kinds of arbitrary devices, the
Speaker 1: things that that you'd be surprised about it. And I
Speaker 1: just I just thought, I'm just be honest, We're not
Speaker 1: here to judge you. And it's the hardest thing is
Speaker 1: taking those out safely because people don't understand that and
Speaker 1: you put it in, you know, to take it out
Speaker 1: without tearing the esophagus, for example, we have to grab
Speaker 1: it and pull it out so slowly because you could
Speaker 1: basically feelay, the esophag is coming up, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And so on the rectum. You know, the
Speaker 1: sphincter zone is there and you have to be able
Speaker 1: to retrieve this without damaging the finer done something sharp.
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's it's listen, that's why you know
Speaker 1: we trained to do this, but it's it still amazes
Speaker 1: me all the crap that people put their bodies and uh,
Speaker 1: and they have very creative stories and holid cock there
Speaker 1: and the people that come with them to explain. You know,
Speaker 1: I add somebody who's mistressed and try to do something
Speaker 1: with him and and and got stuck inside the rectum
Speaker 1: and then you know, creative stories that come won't put
Speaker 1: this amazing, but it's just human nature and you know,
Speaker 1: people will continue to be people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I imagine it's probably the most embarrassing day
Speaker 2: of some person's life if they have to go in
Speaker 2: and say that and everyone knows, everyone knows how it
Speaker 2: got up there that you know, we're not we're not stupid,
Speaker 2: but just wrapping up since it's since it's holiday time
Speaker 2: and we're giving kids presents and stuff. That was another
Speaker 2: big one that we've been covering in the news is
Speaker 2: toys that have been problems. One of them is the
Speaker 2: water beads. I'm sure you have kids, right, so you
Speaker 2: you probably know about these causing obstructions and the magnets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have a four year olds, so to
Speaker 1: constantly tell them not to put those things anything in
Speaker 1: his mouth. But you know, the the thing is that
Speaker 1: you have to you can't just come on having common
Speaker 1: sense as your little kids. So you're exactly what I
Speaker 1: think that water beads that are going to swell with
Speaker 1: water which is in you're intestine can block you know,
Speaker 1: if you block the intestine, it's more than a small problem.
Speaker 1: It could lead to surgery. So we have to tell
Speaker 1: parents you gotta be You've got to be more responsible
Speaker 1: and keep it out of the reach if you're going
Speaker 1: to have things that are going to give you problems.
Speaker 1: Any any small object you know, is important to keep
Speaker 1: keep out of the way of kids. And it's not
Speaker 1: just this is not just something with the holidays, but
Speaker 1: you know a lot of us like those those detergent pods.
Speaker 1: It's one of the most common reasons why kids can
Speaker 1: have toxic reactions in their esophagus and possibly die because
Speaker 1: they swallow it because it's colorful. You were seeing those
Speaker 1: things that look like I mean, you can be fool
Speaker 1: that it looks like candy ors that you put in
Speaker 1: your mouth, and can you imagine that you're you're putting
Speaker 1: detergent in your esophagus. It's one of the most horrific
Speaker 1: things I've seen that, So I beg parents do it.
Speaker 1: Don't put in the lower shop, but as high as
Speaker 1: possible so kids can't reach them. Give them the fear
Speaker 1: of God that this is horrible for you. So we've
Speaker 1: got to really educate our parents, and we as healthcare providers,
Speaker 1: you know, and you're doing a great shop in disseminating
Speaker 1: this kind of information. You won't think of it, but
Speaker 1: only it just takes one time to make a mistake
Speaker 1: and your kid's dead.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's so terrible.
Speaker 1: Anything about it. I mean, you literally watched this thing
Speaker 1: does like rip off your soft figures and obliterate it.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's horrific. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then even if they survive, like, what kind of
Speaker 2: quality of life do you have with all those surgeries
Speaker 2: that you have to repair it.
Speaker 1: It's just getty.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine going through that as a parent. It
Speaker 2: must be terrible. Well, thank you so much for your
Speaker 2: time today. Do you. What are you working on any
Speaker 2: new projects you know talk about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at my book and the book is
Speaker 1: basically talking about healing your gut, fixing your mind. So
Speaker 1: I'm almost ready to send it over a publisher. So
Speaker 1: it'll be coming out very soon. And we're working on
Speaker 1: a probout it that will help us to be able
Speaker 1: to connect the the mine. So I'll be coming out
Speaker 1: with that and we'll be on our website.
Speaker 2: Oh awesome, that that sounds great. I'm actually really looking
Speaker 2: forward to that. I I didn't tell you this when
Speaker 2: you were talking about it, but I just recently had
Speaker 2: an experience with that because I stopped eating gluten like
Speaker 2: a couple years ago now because I was having such
Speaker 2: excruciating migraines and none of the medications they were giving
Speaker 2: me were working. So I finally just decided to stop
Speaker 2: eating gluten and it healed me basically. And for some reason,
Speaker 2: I decided a couple months ago that I was going
Speaker 2: to officially get tested to see if I had siliac.
Speaker 2: So I was going to eat gluten for two weeks
Speaker 2: so I could get my endoscopy done. And not only
Speaker 2: did I put myself through hell, but my family too.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting that you're saying that because I had obviously,
Speaker 2: like I went down the line of all the things
Speaker 2: I haven't been able to eat for the past couple
Speaker 2: of years, Like, Okay, I'm going to have a McDonald
Speaker 2: Tamberger this day, and I'm gonna have a Dunkin Donuts
Speaker 2: this day. I went, you know, and I felt fine.
Speaker 2: I ate it, and I said, oh cool, I'm fine,
Speaker 2: Like maybe I could eat gluten again. And then just
Speaker 2: having it. I only had one serving of it every day,
Speaker 2: but within a couple of days, I was so sick
Speaker 2: it was nuts. So I'm back on my gluten free
Speaker 2: diet and I'm very happy. But it's a real thing.
Speaker 2: It's a real thing, trust me. Like, so, thanks for
Speaker 2: being with us today. And that was really great information.
Speaker 2: And I loved how you talked about the layer between
Speaker 2: the poop and the blood. It really it makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense, and I hope people get a lot
Speaker 2: from that. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Hopefully we can
Speaker 1: talking in.
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