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Speaker 1: great buddy. Welcome to episode one six four of The

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Speaker 1: Hunting Collector Dave. I'm Benjamin O'Brien and we are joined,

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Speaker 1: as always by our trustee, the engineer Phil Phil. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: I'm trusty. Yeah, you're trusty. Um did you watch the

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Speaker 1: you're gonna hear this is kind of another inception. If

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Speaker 1: Phil excited. I just need your commentary on everything. Yeah, no,

429
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm very excited for this. And I honestly

430
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: can't believe that Kayla Ray is on board. I gotta

431
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: h it's great. She's great, But a lot to get

432
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Speaker 1: to today. We had fun with the honest you this

433
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Speaker 1: asked the Eagle segment is about my favorite thing that

434
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Speaker 1: we do. I think it's probably your favorite out there

435
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: in a listener Land, just because we get to talk

436
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: to folks like Eric Hall and Mike Peterson and a

437
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: bunch of you guys that emailed in with questions for Joannice. Um,

438
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: it's fun one, you know, after all the heavy topics

439
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: we've been rolling through, after all the social and cultural

440
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: divisions and things we've been talking about and banning this,

441
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: it's fun just to answer questions even though some of

442
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: them did fall into those topics I just mentioned, So

443
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: enjoy our friend honest would tell us and asked the

444
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: Eagle okay, another asked the Eagle, honest would tell us

445
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: before we call people you honest. Uh, we always have

446
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: to just do a little bullshit. Um. We were talking

447
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: earlier a little bit about dad noises. You make more

448
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: dad noises than than ever right now. Yeah, they're increasing

449
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: dad noises for sure. Can you describe, man, that's like

450
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: a dad noise kind of thing there? You know, we're

451
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: supposed to have your phone turned off, it's not, and

452
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: it's not. That's kind of like, yeah, that's a dad thing.

453
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: And I just noticed that your phone case is snow cameo,

454
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: which I got mixed feelings about that. Well, someone else,

455
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: Brody Henderson, once said like, what's up with your phone case?

456
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: Like as if I was making a statement, and I said,

457
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: it's like the one they had at the store. Is

458
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: controversy surrounding snow came I wasn't aware of it. I

459
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: mean I didn't purchase it as like, oh, this looks cool.

460
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: It was like the thing they had there and I

461
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: got it. But Brodie's like, what's up with that? I

462
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: think it's just interesting just to have a cameo phone

463
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: case in general general and snow cameo would be like

464
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: the lamest, like the most extreme version of camera you

465
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: could choose. Yeah, it's like making a fashion statement with Ammo,

466
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: which in in our world is not a good thing

467
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: to do casual camp. I imagine if I just want

468
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: was sitting here right now, Phil and Infusions came you'd

469
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: be like if he had a shirt on them, And

470
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: then if I had had a jacket on that was

471
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: in that snow cameo, you'd be like, huh, what's going

472
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: on today? You know, where's he going? Yeah, someone's birthday? Yeah?

473
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: Is he's shooting like a James Bond movie in the out.

474
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: That's the only time I think of snow cameras that's

475
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: what it is. Now. Plenty of predator hunters and snow

476
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: goose hunters, you know, do the whites to hide? But yeah, no,

477
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: I I you know, I might have to change it

478
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: now that I know that it's it's making people feel

479
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: a certain way because about you. About me. Yeah, there's

480
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: a statement behind. I don't know exactly what the statement is,

481
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: but it's saying something about you. For me, it was

482
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: like what cases you have? They were like one and

483
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'll take it. And then I

484
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: remember Brodie bringing it up at some kind of gathering

485
00:25:54,920 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: like really, guy snow came on. Huh, cool guy, cool guy.

486
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: Huh big cool guy looking a big pants on. Brad.

487
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: All right, well we're here to the call. Uh. We

488
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: we have a reverse calling show here on Nask the Eagle,

489
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: And I'm proud of the listeners of this show and

490
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: the fans of be honest. Yes, yes, I side chat

491
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: you with your phone case color. We were talking about

492
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: dad noises. We have only time for one tangent conversation.

493
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: We should, like I make more dad noises, and not

494
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: even in the things that you would expect them, like

495
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: sitting down. Is I think okay? Time to make a

496
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: dad noise. But I make dad noises just like leaning

497
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: forward six inches to start typing on my computer. I

498
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: did that. I was like, oh yeah, and just leaning forward,

499
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: and I felt I felt incredibly lame for doing that.

500
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: Do you have what's a dad what's your go to

501
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: dad noise? You see that You're I think you're just

502
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: you're more aware maybe because that Probably I might do

503
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: little shifts too and growing a little bit, but I

504
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: don't notice them yet. Getting out called out when I

505
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: get into bed. Yeah, that's definitely like the end of

506
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: the day. Let's hear it, mega dad. I don't I

507
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: can't replic you can't do It's some kind of I

508
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: wish we had a little bed in here you could

509
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: get into. Yeah. Sometimes I'll make an annoying dad noise

510
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: like and then but then I'll realize how insane it sounds,

511
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: and I'll turn into a bit and I'll just like

512
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: go even harder. Once I realized, my wife gets giving

513
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: me the sight eye, and I'll just be like, yeah,

514
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: I do that a lot, just to really love it. Yeah,

515
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: I think getting out of the truck is probably my

516
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: loudest dad noise these days. But if for those of

517
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: you out there that don't have children, you probably don't.

518
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't think you can physically make this noise unless

519
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: you have often. Oh no, I think it's instead of

520
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: it's not the name dad noise isn't like the proper title.

521
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: It's just like close to forty or over forty. It's

522
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: like it's an age thing. Yeah, definitely more attribute to males.

523
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: I think it is. My wife and males are afflicted

524
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: by it more they are. Yeah. No, it's something that

525
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: science has yet to just you know, discover the cause for.

526
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: But maybe this podcast will spurn him a new study

527
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: to help us. But I I would say that over

528
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: the last since I turned thirty five, my dad noises

529
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: have tripled. Conservative estimate. Trouble now, like if you're a

530
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: let's just say you're a Viking and you have to

531
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: like slam through a door or you know, move some

532
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: giant block to save your family when the I don't know,

533
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: the neighboring, you know, villages trying to burn your house down,

534
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: like you will grunt and roar to to see some

535
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: in strength to do whatever you have to do. So

536
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: you think those two are kind of correlated, Well, that's

537
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: the sad part because I'm not I haven't moved to

538
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: Boulder lately, and I'm still making those noises. I'm only

539
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: making I know what you're like. One My point is

540
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: that you're you're summoning a little bit of strength to

541
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: like move my knee and I go, I want to

542
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: remove my legs at the dinner table. Yeah, that's a

543
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: sedentary lifestyle. Sedentary lifestyle. Sometimes when I get out of

544
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: the truck, I go, whoa, Just like getting out of

545
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: the truck was a you know, a big time decision,

546
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: and all of our ancestors are are weeping for us, Like, really,

547
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: guy really had too many chips. I'll probably do that

548
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: at the super Bowl that's coming Sunday. I want to

549
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: make sure I get a run in today. Yeah, just

550
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: just thinking about how sad this conversation is. Speaking of

551
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: super Bowl, though, I am making Rotel dip. Buddy. You're

552
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: probably familiar. You just don't know that it's called rotel. Yeah,

553
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: just the Rotel, Right, It's like that's like the brand

554
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: of it's kind of like a Pico to the guy

555
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: out sort of tomatoes and chilies, exact onions and stuff exactly.

556
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: You could probably get away was just doing um like

557
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: a block of belvita with the can of rotel, and

558
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: you could call it um ca Okay, so yeah, ok,

559
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: rotel dip. If you punch it in look for a recipe.

560
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: Adds one more ingredient, which is usually squirrel ground beef,

561
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: which is like with like tacos seasoning. I was just like, maybe,

562
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: like I think refred beans would be good. I grew

563
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: up eating this. I grew up eating this, and we

564
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: just never called it that. Yeah, for sure, it's it's

565
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: it's you know when the thing about this kind of

566
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: dip is when it cools, it looks it's the grossest

567
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: looking thing ever. Yeah, it gets a film on the top,

568
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: like ice fishing where you gotta go through the top layered.

569
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: You got a Matt finish. Yet I have a really

570
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: crock pot and the only thing I think I'll ever

571
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: use it for. Maybe I'll come up with another reason

572
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: to do it. But yeah, I put my and war.

573
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: You can't get on the top because then it's just

574
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: it's a sad looking thing. It's like vomit. So I

575
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: was kind of surprised. You know, my wife and her sister,

576
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: they're pretty healthy people, and uh, I was told yesterday that, uh,

577
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: those two are very excited. If there's anything that is

578
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: there is there's anything that sports culture encourages us to do,

579
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: is just be sit on her ass and be fat

580
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: like it. Just it wings beer sports. Every commercial during

581
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: it is like do you need like laxatives and and

582
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: acids and meatballs? Because all that was that look a

583
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: little more road tons a little bit than the three

584
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: of us. Yeah, yeah, we're spelt. Although my body's falling

585
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: apart obviously based on dad noises. Uh, but yeah, I will.

586
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: I am going to make the dad noise of dad

587
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: noises when I'm done eating. What are my wife's telling

588
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: me what she was making? I'm gonna just make like

589
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: some you know, a little uh it's probably smoked prong horn.

590
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: Will do a little some sort of dip, maybe in

591
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: a ju or something. I don't know. I don't know what.

592
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, something cool, maybe some non French style. Yeah,

593
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: I do this thing. It was like non bread and

594
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: then you it's like a little Peter bread I think,

595
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: And then you just put some shaves none like n

596
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: A A n exactly uh, and then you put a

597
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: little shaved smoked meat on it. Put some finishing salt

598
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: and then you dip it in this like as you

599
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: it's really good, so I might make that. Um. There's

600
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: also sometimes horse rash involved. But we should call some people.

601
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: We got a lot of Last time, we upset a

602
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: few people that we didn't call, so this time I

603
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: want to try to get through it. I forgot about that. Yeah,

604
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: but I didn't put that guy on the good Yeah. Yeah,

605
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: our apologies. We we ran out of time. Yeah, we

606
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: ran out of tide, so we don't run out of

607
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: time this time. But I'm I just like talking to

608
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: these folks, and so we'll see how it goes. But

609
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: first up, Phil, you remember the guy as I dial here,

610
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: do you remember the guy that ship his pants and

611
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: Key West? Oh? Of course, yeah, yeah, of course this

612
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: is that guy, Mike p hopefully his pants in Key West.

613
00:32:53,320 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: That's how he Jimmy Buffett b Side released get Paints. Well,

614
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: this is Mike. Hello Mike, this is the honest Ben

615
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: and Phil t Engineer. How are you, sir? I'm good? Hey, guys,

616
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: keep going on. Good Phil, you want to turn him

617
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: up a little bit? Hear him? Give me give us

618
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: a test? All right? How's that sound that sounds pretty good.

619
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: You guys better, that's better. You go that film like

620
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: when you're in the business, the best way to test

621
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: is you just tell everybody what you had for breakfast exactly.

622
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: So all right, Well, I had three eggs, a balled

623
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: meal with some cinnamon, a little bit of raspberries, and

624
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: some walnuts crunched uff on top. That's my breakfast. Impressive.

625
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: Very I forgot to have breakfast, and now I'm hungry.

626
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm very hungry. I'd be gonna lie lion hunting if

627
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: I had a breakfast like that. I know I might

628
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: be taking a nap a breast. That's that's lovely. You

629
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: move up Boulder and make some vikings like Mike, you're

630
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: a dad, right, I remember from your from your not

631
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: a sharp moment your dad, Yes, sir? Do you make

632
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: dad noises? Absolutely? Anytime I get up from the couch

633
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: or you know, up or down from the couch. You yeah,

634
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of one of those things sometimes.

635
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: I I like to make an extra loud grunt noise

636
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: any time I have to pick up anything like minis school,

637
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: like a like a paper towel or something. Yes, up

638
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: a lego or two? Yeah, yeah, that's we're realizing that

639
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: like our our caveman ancestors would be so sad to

640
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: hear this, hear this conversation because we I make it

641
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: just walking down the hallway, or just like one time

642
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: I I was sitting at dinner and I just like

643
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: kick my legs out a little bit more. And I

644
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: made that just just trying to straighten your leg out

645
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: a little bit extra. Yeah, and I don't even haven,

646
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: but my knees are perfectly healthy. But dinner table, though,

647
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: you have the compounding factor of having a full belly.

648
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: And I think if you have a full belly, it

649
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: just makes every movement yet where I need to undo

650
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: the top button. So I'm pretty lucky there. But absolutely

651
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: full belly movement to require some sort of some sort

652
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: of sound effect, like it expanding and contracting the diaphragm.

653
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe there's a scientist listening that can tell

654
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: us what's going on. Man, it sounds soft by telling

655
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: you the cure for dad noises is yoga. Yoga, dude,

656
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm fully in. Like I hurt my back ice fishing,

657
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: which is an awful, awful thing to say out loud.

658
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: I had to carry the Auger, like maybe a hundred

659
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: yards down the hill and I heard my back and

660
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: that's it. I heard my back. I don't know what happened.

661
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: And I had to like pick up a perch out

662
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: of a hole. That was it. And I'm injured. So anyway,

663
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: Mike were we never are on time with this program,

664
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: so we gotta get to it. We gotta get to

665
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: your question. I'm gonna go ahead and let you ask

666
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: the question. But Yanni, uh, just a preface. Yanni already

667
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: talked to his wife about this last night in bed.

668
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: I think right, Yanni, I did he did, so, Yanni,

669
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: y He's got some real dope for you. So go

670
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: ahead and shoose your question out there, all right. So, uh,

671
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: when I asked the question, it was I think it

672
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: was like back in October and I was getting ready

673
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: to go. I have a public lands hunt that I

674
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: do up in North Florida and it's over my birthday

675
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: and Halloween. So my wife is always very cool with

676
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: me going hunting and fishing with my buddies. She never

677
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: gives me a problem. But I was wondering if you

678
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: had a suggestion on uh, you know, maybe like a

679
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: small token appreciation, like a small gift or something that

680
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: I could give my wife, uh, just to kind of

681
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: ease it, you know, because you feel guilty leaving home.

682
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: I know you guys have talked about it on the show.

683
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: Before you leave and you go on these trips with

684
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: your buddies and you're having a blast and the wife

685
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: is at home dealing with the kids. So you know,

686
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: you always feel a little guilty. There's always like a

687
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: little bit of homesickness that goes along with that. And

688
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: I was just wondering if you had any suggestions on

689
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: something I could I could uh give to my wife,

690
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: just uh you know, show my appreciation and and make

691
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: the make the trip a little bit easier. I guess

692
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: saying it out loud, it sounds like it's more for

693
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: me than it is for her. But you know, I

694
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: just wouldn't. But do you guys know about the push gift?

695
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: Do you guys ever get your wife? I heard about

696
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: this for the first time like three months ago, and

697
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: and we've had two kids. I heard about it after

698
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: we had kids, and I was a little disappointed in

699
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: myself for, you know not and I didn't realize it

700
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: was such a big deal. I don't worry a normal

701
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: guy doesn't do a normal guy. So, like, a push

702
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: gift is a gift, and it's usually an extravagant gift

703
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: that you get your wife after she gives birth to

704
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: your child. You know, yeah, what what what does this?

705
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 1: Where's is the push an acronym no pushing the child out?

706
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: I see, Yeah, so it's kind of a it's a

707
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a gruesome name push gift, but

708
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: that's what they call it. And people will ask you,

709
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: like mostly old ladies would ask me like, what did

710
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: you get for a push gift? I was like, so

711
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: this thing's been around, this happened apparently there's like it's

712
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: like it's the thing that people do. I feel like

713
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: it's a thing that like normal, normal folks just don't do.

714
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: I think it's an elitist. It's elitist. I agree with you.

715
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna agree with you on that. I think we

716
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: should all agree on that. It's elitist. I feel like

717
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: the gifts, Mike, um, it's the easy way out. Okay.

718
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: I I agree with that. Because the push gift too,

719
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: I can see it like, well, I just got her

720
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: those new diamond ear rings and listen it's my wife,

721
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: it's not my wife style, and I can't afford those,

722
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: so I've never done it, so I really don't know

723
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: what the reaction would be. But I can see that

724
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: I just got out of those diamond ear rings and

725
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: so now I don't really feel like I need to

726
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: change as many diapers or get up in the middle

727
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: of the night as much because I kind of paid

728
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: her off. And I think that the little gift thing

729
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: before a hunting trip or after a hunting trip could

730
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: kind of be the taking the same way. And uh,

731
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: I can just tell you that for me personally before

732
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: talking to my wife last night, who just cut me

733
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: off with the answer. I didn't even get to finish

734
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: the question. She knew what I was good getting at.

735
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: But is that in general, I just try to hustle

736
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: and like, like, we had to pick up our kids

737
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: and drop them off at school, right, so there's no

738
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: bus service, so that really cuts into people's work days,

739
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: and so when I'm home, I try to be the

740
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: one that does that. When I'm home, I try to

741
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: be the one that goes to the grocery store. My

742
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: wife also doesn't like to do that. UM, just trying

743
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: to help out as much as possible. And anytime I'm

744
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: like feeling lazy about, you know, doing something around the house,

745
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's right, I'm gonna be gone for a

746
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: hundred days this year. I should probably hustle um and

747
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: get her done. Um. So I just thing that, like,

748
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, hustling. And another thing is

749
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: I pushed my wife to uh do things on her

750
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: own and with her friends as well while I am home.

751
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily to make me feel good, because

752
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I know that it does help her out. But she

753
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes I think, is so unselfish that she's like

754
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: just will not think of herself first, you know. And

755
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: so I had to be like, look, i've got these

756
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about going outline hunt on Sunday. I said

757
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: this yesterday, Like I've got these like tentative plans. But

758
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: if you tell me that you make plans to go

759
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: on a hike with your sister or whatever, like I'm

760
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: cancling you go and do your thing, you know, if

761
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: nothing's going on, I'm out a good spouse all the time.

762
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: That's a lot. I mean, that's a lot. It's a

763
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: lot of work, but I think you can do it.

764
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, but that's actually sounds probably like the best

765
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: course of action. I mean, you know, it's cheap. That

766
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: sounds like, yeah, it's cheaper, it's the way. It sounds

767
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: probably like the way to go. Though. Let me just

768
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: say I would just bribe her with some sort of gift.

769
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 1: Then you could be lazy a hundred days a year,

770
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, I like, yeah, I'm gonna go hunting, you

771
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: stay with kids. Yeah. Jennifer's answer, like I said, before

772
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: I even got to the end of the question, was

773
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: clean the whole damn house, especially the bathrooms. Yep. I

774
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: feel like you're just trying to see what you'll do.

775
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, see what she get? Maybe you

776
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: do all right? Well, Mike, Uh is that helpful? Yeah? Absolutely,

777
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, hearing it from Yanni and thinking

778
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: about it now, I mean that sounds like a much

779
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: better course of act than trying to bribe her with

780
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: some sort of you know, some sort of gift or token.

781
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: I mean, she would probably much she does a lot.

782
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're we've got two kids, I've

783
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: worked a lot and stuff, so she does a lot anyways, Uh,

784
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: And it would probably be just helpful in general if

785
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: before I left. You know, I did some stuff around

786
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: the house, made sure everything was squared away before I left,

787
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: instead of you know, leaving in a in a hurry,

788
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,479
Speaker 1: like like what happens so often. You know. Yeah, well,

789
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: this is the second episode in a row that I

790
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: brought up our marriage counselor uh, my wife. When I

791
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: go to marriage counsel, his name is Doug. Shout out

792
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: the Doug. He's probably listening. And Doug and I were

793
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: talking about, like, what what's the marriage for? Like what's

794
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: my role in the marriage? Right? And I said, I said, hey,

795
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: you listen. I think what I used to think when

796
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: I first got marriage was in a relationship, that some

797
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: part of the marriage was there to make me happy.

798
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: But what I realized now is like my role is

799
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: to make the marriage work. Like I don't I shouldn't

800
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: expect anything from the marriage other than my part of

801
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: it was just to make everyone, make my wife happy

802
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: and make it work, like that's my EXPI earlier expectation was, well,

803
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: you know this, this relationship should make me happy somehow,

804
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: But I like, lately only no, that's not it. That

805
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: it's never gonna work if I think like that, because

806
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna because then I agree with that. So shout

807
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: out to Doug for that guidance and advice. Um, I

808
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: might have I might have Doug come on and do

809
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: like a segment because we last week we had an

810
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: email from some folks that were telling us that THHD

811
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: has kind of helped their marriage. And this week we're

812
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: given more marriage advice and right and we have Dr

813
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: Phil Phil do you want to comment on this? Well, no,

814
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: I mean I agree with with with Yanni. And one

815
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: thing to the point out too is like I know

816
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: this isn't the case with everyone, but like my wife

817
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: and I share a bank account, so when I go

818
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: out and I buy her a gift, I'm like to her,

819
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: she's she's kind of appreciative, but she's like, you took

820
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: my money to buy me this thing that I could

821
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: have done myself, whereas doing chores or thinking of like

822
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: making dinner for the entire week before you're gone or

823
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: they awake after you, like like, just that's the stuff

824
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: that she, my wife, like well, will notice and appreciate

825
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: more than me going out and buying or something that

826
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: she could have done herself. Yeah. Well, my wife's birthday,

827
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: I bought her she turned. I won't give her age up,

828
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: but I bought her the number of roses that was

829
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: her age and it was cool. But he didn't have

830
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: anywhere near the impact of me, just like taking taking

831
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: her ice skating with the kids, like actually did me

832
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: something to show that I was thinking of her. So

833
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I wasted twohundred bucks on those roses.

834
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: I could have just flowers. I was going to actually

835
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: mention flowers because I personally enjoy them. I think, you know, baseball,

836
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: flowers brightens up the room, brightens up your day. But yeah,

837
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: we went and got just a small bouquet for my

838
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: wife's birthday recently, and I was out, like, I think

839
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: sixty bucks. Well, my dad, for forty five years ran

840
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: Ben's flower shop Hagerstown, Maryland. Is now retired, and my

841
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: one of my one of my wife's first jobs is

842
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: that a uh florist. Didn't any time I get her flowers,

843
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: she gives me like a little a little look of

844
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: you know, disappointment. She's like, I can't believe you spend

845
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: all this money on this. You're just gonna die. They're

846
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: just gonna die, all right. Now. She likes him, She

847
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: likes him, sometimes so, but it's still like I can't

848
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: believe you did that. All right, Mike, Well hopefully we

849
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: helped you. And um, please keep us when the when

850
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: the spring comes around for your turkey on or the

851
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: fall comes around you let us know how it's going. Yeah,

852
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: please keep that marriage, Please keep the marriage hot. And uh,

853
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: let us know sounds good, guys. I appreciate you. Guys.

854
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: Give me a call, man, this is awesome. Oh, no problem, man,

855
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: have a good day and uh, we'll talk to you soon.

856
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: Take care of so Mike, this is your honest. Well,

857
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: this isn't be honest. This has ben this is honest.

858
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: That's be honest. And then there's Phil. Phil. We're gonna

859
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: check your your sound here says good. Give us tell

860
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: you tell us what you have for breakfast so we

861
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: can check your sound. Uh, eggs, cinnamon rolls and bacon.

862
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: Geezy breakfast. Everybody we call has awesome breakfast. Yeah. The

863
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: guy just at home, so I got cooking in the morning.

864
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: Look at this guy. This guy too solid. We got

865
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: a lot of good hc world, you know, I love it.

866
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: I figured it'd be that way, Mike, I figured. But

867
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,959
Speaker 1: we just got off a call with another Mike, who

868
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: was asking us about what to do to make his

869
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: wife happy so he could leave to go hunting in

870
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: the fall and feel good about feel good about it.

871
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: And we just said, be a good husband all the time,

872
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: sacrifice for your lady. Friend. Um, so you have when's

873
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: the baby, dude? Man? Right now? April fourteenth is our

874
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: due date? So coming up here, and well you're gonna

875
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: have you have any kids? Now? Is that your first one? No,

876
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: this will be the first. It's a boy. Um already prepped.

877
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: I got the nurse re done and trying to keep

878
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: everybody happy that way. Nesting, nesting, it's gonna be. It

879
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: will be different for hunting, that's for sure. I know

880
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: this is what season is. The week before he's due,

881
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: so I'm hoping he holds out. Oh yeah, if he

882
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: gives you, like at least a couple of days turkey

883
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: on and before he comes, and at least he'll come

884
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: over the summer. We always have this argument around here,

885
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: like you can't you shouldn't have a kid during the

886
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: during the fall. My first let was born in October.

887
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: I'm a seconde in January. Mike, you have some questions.

888
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: You wrote three questions in give us your like, give

889
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: us the one that you feel like is the most impactful. Pick,

890
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: just pick it. I think I got that one right

891
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: here if I had to pick one. My question to

892
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: you guys and your honest um, both as individuals and

893
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: for Mediat as a company, as a hunter and conservationist

894
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: environmentalists as well, it's a lot of times kind of

895
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: a two way side of things. How do you guys

896
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: go about making decisions at the polls when unfortunately a

897
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: lot of these issues tend to go on either side

898
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: of the political aisle. Yep, that's a good one. Yeah,

899
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: you want to take that one first, you want me

900
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: to go. I've answered this a lot, so I got Yeah,

901
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: I got a lot dope on this one. Um. I mean,

902
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: it's not hard for me. It's like I'm a I'm

903
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: an issue by issue voter. And uh. We interviewed an

904
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: author by the name of Michael Punk on The Mediator

905
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: podcast who wrote the book The Revenant, and uh we

906
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: got talking to him and I don't know if he

907
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 1: introduced himself as such, but at some point he described

908
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: himself as an extreme centrist and that really stuck with me,

909
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: and uh, I sort of I'm like proud to walk

910
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: around and carry that badge and and to know that, Like,

911
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: if I was to share like my voting record, you'd

912
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, this guy's kind of all over the place,

913
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, well, yeah, it's because for these

914
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: issues I vote this way and these issues I vote

915
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: that way. Yep. Um, I kind of shared. I shared

916
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: who I voted for, and that was fun for me,

917
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: for everybody, for everybody to file on from from the side,

918
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: those are how many people voted for buying Seventy eight

919
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: million voter for one, seventy four for the other. So

920
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: either way, you're gonna have seventy some million people. Um.

921
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: I think about it in the same way. I mean,

922
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: I'm obviously try to be pragmatic and in the center.

923
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: I would say I'm right of center, and my political

924
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: leanings is what I would say. I almost always would

925
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: side with UM folks on the right on the conservative side,

926
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: certainly socially UM, but when it comes to the environment

927
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: and it comes to hunting and fishing, I probably lean

928
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: way left in terms of what I'd like to see.

929
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: If if I'm just trying to put my views into

930
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: the buckets that we've developed in our country, so I

931
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: know that, and we've in Mike knows this since I'm

932
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: sure you've listened to me talk about this, that when

933
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: you go to the polls and you have to vote

934
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: one side or the other, each side has lots of

935
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: drawbacks in terms of what my value set is. I

936
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: want a second ament. You know, I'm a strong support

937
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: of second Amendment, but I'm also a stronger supporter of

938
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: um reasonable extraction and taking care of our environment and

939
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: and want to see a suggress climate change. So both

940
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: those things don't fit into one bucket. So I don't

941
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: know if I like, I don't know personally if I

942
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: can give anyone advice on how to make those decisions.

943
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: But you just got to weigh those options and determine.

944
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: I've had, like I said on this show before, I've

945
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: had people who really um, we're really right wing tell

946
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: me that our public lands are not under threat, like

947
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 1: you're you're overblowing the threat to public lands. And I've

948
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: had people on the left tell me that I'm overblowing

949
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: our threat, the threat to our guns, our gun rights.

950
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 1: So it seems it seems as if either side would

951
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: like to convince you that their threat is more important

952
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: than than the other. So I think that's probably the

953
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: most the biggest struggle that I've had, just to try

954
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: to suss out, like what really is going on, even

955
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: though I know the issues on both sides. Um a

956
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: lot of times you can vote different. One one piece

957
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: of advice I guess I could give is a lot

958
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: of times you can vote different in your state than

959
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: you do on a federal level or different regional um

960
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: state politics, so you can really protect your rights a

961
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit more, you have a lot

962
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: more impact. I was talking to Rachel Um I think

963
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: it's Schmidt now it is. Yeah, it's probably been that

964
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: way for a while. I just didn't know that, but

965
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, Rachel Schmidt of course friend of yours, and

966
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: she was just telling me and making some good points

967
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: about how we should all be more involved on a

968
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: local level because you can actually make a difference there

969
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: and there you can make such a difference, then maybe

970
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: you could if you if it's that important to you,

971
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: you could still kind of stay on that side of

972
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: the aisle that you prefer, but you could change those

973
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: people's point of view closer to your point of view,

974
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: so you wouldn't necessarily have to like vote the other

975
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: direction to like get what you're getting at. You can

976
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: just go and like talk and send letters and emails

977
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: and maybe your side is like, oh, you know what, Yeah,

978
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: it's a good idea. You know when I look at

979
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you went through this, Mike, when

980
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: you voted, But when you get to the voting booth,

981
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: like you really, well, something's gonna suffer here, especially when

982
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: you're voting for, um, the president. Something's gonna suffer here

983
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: when I make this, when I make this here choice

984
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: and you just kind of got to decide, Mike, is

985
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: there like a thing that happened that like causes you

986
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: to like worry and think about this or or like

987
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: how does this manifest itself in your personal life? I

988
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: mean I feel that, like obviously with this presidential race,

989
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: this question is more general all the time because the

990
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: presidential race was so one sided, defending one way or

991
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: the other. You're gonna like the guy or hate the

992
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: guy either way. Um, But on a general level, I

993
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: have quite a few senators that I've reached out for

994
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: different things with b h A and gotten disappointing answers,

995
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: like land Water Conservation Fund and things like that. Those

996
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: things were going through, and that really kind of pushed

997
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: me to question some of those voting practices of just

998
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: saying hey, right sided or less sided UM. As well

999
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: as I've gotten involved at the state level UM trying

1000
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: to push my own bills and some of those things

1001
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: with representatives. So I'm trying to get more involved in

1002
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: how to make those decisions and just think through that process. Yeah. Yeah,

1003
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: I mean there's nothing other than really holding your local

1004
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: representatives to account, you know, especially those especially the representatives

1005
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: on a state level, hold them to account. I mean

1006
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: we've seen we've seen this in action with Jason Schafitz

1007
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: some years ago in Utah when they had some UM

1008
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: public lands anti public lands bills that really it was

1009
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: it was our group of people who went to him

1010
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: and said, this is not going to stand like, this

1011
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: is not the kind of legislation that anywhere in our country.

1012
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: So it just happened with the Bear band in California

1013
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: the perfect next example, right, so if anyone out there,

1014
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: and I think it also happened with the Great American

1015
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: Outdoors Act on a positive side for what we all supported,

1016
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: where we all voiced our support for and it was

1017
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: it was truly a bipartisan effort to protect the things

1018
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: that and fund really in that case fun the things

1019
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: that we care about. So it was great to be

1020
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: a winning California. I lived out there during the town

1021
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: hunting band and some of those times, and it seemed

1022
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: like a no win situation for sportsmen out there. Yeah,

1023
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: I was talking. I talked to a couple of local

1024
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: reporters and kind of and and some folks that are

1025
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: involved in that, and really that they felt like there

1026
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: was one thing I didn't know. Um, some years ago

1027
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: a build a band dove hunting that was had a

1028
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: similar fate as this bear hunting band. Well, and I

1029
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: believe in Michigan it's still banned. Is it for no

1030
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: other reason that like doves are you know? Peace? Yeah,

1031
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's just we're on shaky ground and

1032
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways right with the stuff we'd

1033
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: like to do, So we just have to be vigilant

1034
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: and sometimes just pick your battles man, like, just no,

1035
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: this is the thing I'm gonna fight for in this

1036
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: short term, and then two years from now or four

1037
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: years from now, I'll have a chance to go back

1038
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: and reassess where we are and try to shift focus

1039
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: if I need to in terms of how I vote.

1040
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: Absolutely never gonna be simple. Um, well, thanks dude, I

1041
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and I am going to I'm not gonna

1042
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: tell anybody why I'm saying us, but I'm going to

1043
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: join a convent and I'm leaving. I'm leaving me either, Michael.

1044
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I don't like to see which one

1045
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: hopefully elect your podcast? Do you think they will? All right, Well,

1046
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: I'll well, I'll wear whatever outfit I need to, and

1047
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: it's all. I just owe a penance to Mike. And

1048
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying any more about it publicly,

1049
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: but I owe Mike so much I might have to

1050
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: just come, like I might have to just come hunting

1051
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: with you or something, or like buy you, like get

1052
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: you out here to Montana again and get you a

1053
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: tag or something. All right, Mike, Thanks brother, See Mike, Yeah,

1054
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:40,959
Speaker 1: have a good one. Hello is this Matt? Yes, Matt,

1055
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: Ben O'Brien, Janice pateel Us and then Phil T Engineer.

1056
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: What's going on? Buddy? Oh not that much? Was it

1057
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: going good? Wherever? Here? Uh? Fielding questions? Here are you

1058
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: in Virginia? Yes, here's the berg Virginia. What what's your

1059
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: what's your favorite thing to hunt out there? What do

1060
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 1: your most time? What do you want to the most

1061
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: out there in Virginia. I always wonder about my side

1062
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: of the world there. Well, I mean there's a lot

1063
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: of course white tail hunt around here, and some good

1064
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: turkey hunting. I'm actually really interested to get started into

1065
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: bear hunting out a way out away. You got some

1066
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: big bears down there these days North Carolina. You go

1067
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: a little south, you can get some really big corn

1068
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: fed bears well. And actually the county I live in

1069
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: as the highest bear kill each year for bear season.

1070
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: That's right, we got we got we got quite a

1071
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: population here in the area. We've been talking about bear

1072
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: hunting a lot here later because of California. But in

1073
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: in the conversation that we had last week, one of

1074
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: the things that Clay Nucom said that that got me

1075
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: thinking the most was that of all the animals that

1076
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: he knows game animals that we hunt, he thinks that

1077
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: we use the most from the bear. Like every time

1078
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: I kill a bear, I think about taking the hive.

1079
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: We use the fat and and we use the meat,

1080
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, from a white tail. We don't necessarily, but

1081
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: come on, now, use this kind of a strong term

1082
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: for that side. Okay, even take the hideaway. At least

1083
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: the fat is universally and and nobody's I mean, unless

1084
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 1: you're wearing Ian warning. You make a couple of candles,

1085
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: nobody's doing much. Or you're Jake Bullochira practicing. You made

1086
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: some chapstick with your dear talent, but you don't, you know,

1087
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: a little bit goes a long way there. That's true.

1088
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: There's some dear talis soaps and things I've seen out

1089
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: there in the world, but that those are like artists

1090
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yea. Now, if all of a sudden, like

1091
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: half of meat Eater Crew was like sleeping under a

1092
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: bear blanket, I'd give you that point. But right now,

1093
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: just because we all pack them out and and tan

1094
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: them and hang them on the wall, it's like, I

1095
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: don't know if that qualifies as used. I was picturing

1096
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: everyone under one bear like I was when you when

1097
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: you were talking about like yeah, yeah, when we go

1098
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: on to shoot mat. I want to know what methods

1099
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: of take or in pursuit are legal there in Virginia

1100
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: for bear hunting. I mean, I know, archer, archery, muzzleloader,

1101
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: modern rifle up, Like, what about what about bait and dogs?

1102
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: Dogs are legal? Bait is not. Yeah. I was just

1103
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: gonna say that because they had the big, the big

1104
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: controversh about dogs for deer and and that that part

1105
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: of the world as well, and we talked about that

1106
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: some episodes ago. Yeah. I it's it's always funny that

1107
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: how we carve up bear hunting that way. You know. Well,

1108
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: I guess we carve up deer hunting and others that way.

1109
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: Some states have legal baiting, some states are not. Um,

1110
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess we carve up a lot of

1111
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: pursuits in that way. With ethics and what's gonna be

1112
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: the way that you, uh chase them. I'm gonna go

1113
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: modern firearm first off. Um. But actually today I just

1114
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: picked up bow off of somebody who's they're getting a

1115
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: new one for their birthday. Uh, and so they were

1116
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: going to sell their old bow, and so I figured

1117
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to get into archery hunting. Uh. So

1118
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm going gotta use bow off of a guy today

1119
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: that way. So your question that you had, um, go

1120
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: ahead and ask it. I won't. I won't ask for you.

1121
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: So the main thing is is uh, you know, tips

1122
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: on kind of getting started on that conversation of finding

1123
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: hunting mentor and or you're talking to folks about, you know,

1124
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: getting onto their private land for hunting. This is you know, Yeah,

1125
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to go and any I know Janice, Uh,

1126
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: he likes the shorter shorter questions there, so would you

1127
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: we'll just kind of go with that. I won't go

1128
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: into the whole backstore I did in the email. So

1129
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: you just you want tips on how to find more

1130
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: folks to hunt with or or find a hunting mentor yeah,

1131
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: or and also like possible you know, private land to

1132
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: use because while while I have, while I have public

1133
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 1: land out here, I mean, you know, twenty minutes away

1134
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: from the National Forest, Uh, it's a little bit harder

1135
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: to hunt than you know, some of the private land.

1136
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: We don't have as much of the public land access

1137
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: as you guys do out west. Yeah, no doubt about it. Man.

1138
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: I've done very little public land hunting east of the Mississippi,

1139
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: and uh every time I do, I think, like, boy,

1140
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: aren't we lucky living out west? And man, if you

1141
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: had to get this done out east, uh, you'd probably

1142
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 1: I'd be a better hunter, but uh, I get let's

1143
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: just start off there. The private land um our new

1144
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: ceo actually dumb. Yeah, he was telling me about his

1145
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: system for getting awesome private land when he was living

1146
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, and man, he crushed it. Like he was

1147
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: kind of sad to leave Minnesota to come to Montana

1148
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: because I think he was up to like twelve or

1149
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: thirteen permissions or something like that. Yeah, the guy had

1150
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: like sixty prepped trees for for saddle hunting. Yeah, exactly,

1151
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: gonna have him on the show. Yeah, this guy, I'm like,

1152
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can if you're at the CEO,

1153
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're allowed to come on this podcasts,

1154
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: but you should he says, yes, officials. But that's like

1155
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,959
Speaker 1: makes me feel good about working for a company who's

1156
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: whose CEO has got sixty trees prepped and my numbers

1157
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: might be office a while ago we talked about it.

1158
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: But anyways, man, that guy took like a CEO's mentality

1159
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: to to you know, getting his permissions and just went

1160
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: all out and and and had basically a form letter

1161
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: that he would tweak you know, per you know, landowner

1162
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: um and just went after it with uh, just connections

1163
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: and um, what's the word I'm looking for? Like when

1164
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: you go out and put his feelers out there, putting

1165
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: his feelers out but uh, um networking, networking, Thanks thanks

1166
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: phil Ah. My brother in law just took a new job.

1167
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna be traveling the state of Montana selling uh,

1168
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: kitchen equipment to like like big commercial type kitchens, like

1169
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: if say, if a hospital you know needs, you know,

1170
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: to build out their kitchen whatever. And I was like, man,

1171
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, being traveling salesman might be the best thing,

1172
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: but dude, think about the people you might meet, you know.

1173
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: And now we were thinking of ways to like kickoff

1174
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: hunting conversations that might get his foot in the door,

1175
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: just to even like open the conversation. I was like, Man,

1176
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: if I were you, if I wasn't like duck hunting

1177
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: country and there's not much elk hunting out there, I'd

1178
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,479
Speaker 1: be wearing a like a lapel pin with a goose

1179
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: for a duck on it. Just something maybe a baseball cap,

1180
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, depending on how casual he dressed. He dressed,

1181
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm moving in the basic the pin I was the pelpin, yeah,

1182
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: is don't wear lapel pins? Who do you see walking

1183
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: out like politicians. Well yeah, but I see my brother

1184
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: in law's kind of guy that's gonna stroll in wearing

1185
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: a jacket. That makes more sense. Okay, so um, but yeah,

1186
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: that way, you're not like coming in there and trying

1187
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: to do business and then also being like hey, by

1188
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: the way, you know, I noticed around here. You guys

1189
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: got a lot of geese flying around. Do you know anybody?

1190
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: But you know, at least there's a conversation starter so

1191
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: someone can be like hell, like that you like Canada geese.

1192
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: That actually works out for me pretty because like our

1193
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: our Department of Wildlife Resources, they've done these hats that

1194
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: have like vintage hunting stamps on them, and so I

1195
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: have one for for a bear stamp and I have

1196
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: one for a near stamp. So you know where in

1197
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: those when I have those conversations, you kind of get

1198
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: that started. It's very literal, but I love it. It's

1199
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: like where the hat of the thing you want to hunt,

1200
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: and you will manifest as if it's some secret Illuminati symbol.

1201
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: You will manifest if you wear just a bare sweater

1202
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: and bear underwear and bare socks, you will manifest Bear

1203
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: hunting opportunities private land, and I think just remember this

1204
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: Spencer talked about it not long ago on one of

1205
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: the podcasts that like, he I think tried well over

1206
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: ten like double digit properties this year in Montana and

1207
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: got shut down on each one. So just keep in

1208
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: mind that like you might have to ask twenty times

1209
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: to get that one yes, but that one yes is

1210
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: if you If I was to weigh it out right now,

1211
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: I'd say, well, what is it worth? How many times

1212
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: would I go ask people? I'd say fifty just for

1213
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: one yes? I mean, if it's like a you know,

1214
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: forty acres, you know, I'm probably not. I don't know,

1215
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: maybe it's worth it in Virginia to call for a

1216
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: guy with forty But like if you had two acres

1217
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: to yourself and it took you a fifty asks, buddy,

1218
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: I just start calling right now and start checking off

1219
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: the nose, you know. I always just I always would.

1220
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: If I'm hunting a piece of public ground and there's

1221
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: private ground that borders it, and I see a ranch

1222
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: or out running cows on his private ground, I'll waive

1223
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: them down and be like, hey, what's the deal with

1224
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: the elk around these parts? And get talking to them

1225
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: and just ask them questions if like they're on here

1226
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: all the time, and then then you can be like, hey,

1227
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: if you've ever need anybody do any work, I'm happy

1228
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: to come and do some work. Um, I'm always hunting

1229
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: up here. It would be cool to also have access

1230
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: to this. I'm always right over, I'm always hunting the

1231
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: border of your place. Would be nice to be able

1232
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: to have that too. So that's got to be thinking

1233
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: positive because as much as you hear all the doom

1234
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: and gloom about how all the outfitters have leased everything

1235
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: up and everything's being you know least up by you know,

1236
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: private groups of dudes with you know, all the surgeons

1237
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: and doctors have their leases on all the private land.

1238
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: There's still plenty of stories, um like this when I

1239
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: just mentioned Dan with I don't think he was paying

1240
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: for a single one of them, and he had you know,

1241
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: a dozen or so. You're generally looking for generational ownership

1242
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: of land like my daddy's daddy's daddy's farm, right, because

1243
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: a lot of times the newer landowners are buying it

1244
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: for the exclusivity, Right, somebody that has a lot of

1245
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: money that buys a place, they're generally not looking to

1246
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: bring other people on, UM, but folks who are just

1247
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, normal folks that just have their have have

1248
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: their property. Doug during comes to mind as somebody who

1249
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: has you know, family land. It's not his lands, his

1250
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: family's land. UM. And his idea that he's talked about

1251
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: on this show before about game cooperatives, which him and

1252
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: I talked about all the time, which is just offered

1253
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: to do some work, you know, just like I'll come

1254
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: here and work. Um. Alterleopold had the Riley Game Cooperative

1255
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: and that's basically what it was. It was just people

1256
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: coming to work, and then it got so interesting that

1257
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: they started bringing in folks from the college and it

1258
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: became kind of a small community thing. So it can

1259
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: if if you can get lucky, you might stumble into

1260
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: something real cool in terms of like who you know

1261
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: and then I know, Matt, your other question was kind

1262
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: of around mentoring you might be able to find somebody

1263
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: in that you know, in that circle that can also

1264
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: help you understand, you know, the best way to go

1265
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Speaker 1: about some of the new hunt you're gonna undertake. Yeah, man,

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01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: I see in your email, UM, Matt said that he

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Speaker 1: already belonged to b h A and a couple other

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01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: conservation organizations, but with your interests in bear hunting, I

1269
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: think I would find the Bear Hunting Association. Looks like

1270
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: there's a Virginia Bear Hunters Hell, yeah, go join those boys.

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01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm starting telling you're interested, man, And if it's if

1272
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: they're at all like trying to keep this whole bear

1273
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: hunting thing, especially since you guys can use hounds like

1274
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: they need people to be pro this thing. And even

1275
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: if you you might be a little uneasy about it,

1276
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people are, uh with just like the

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01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: chasing of game with hounds. I was. Now I'm the

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01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,439
Speaker 1: pround over owner of a hound dog and I love

1279
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: it and I want to be a spokesperson for it

1280
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: because it's so great and you it's just one of

1281
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: those things that you don't know until you go. And man,

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01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: I just I wouldn't. I couldn't believe that if you

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01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: went there and um, you know, you joined up with

1284
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: them and hooked up with them, that you wouldn't find

1285
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,919
Speaker 1: somebody that would take you to the woods. And even

1286
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: if you're not into like, you know, shooting a bear

1287
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: out of a tree after a hound chase, that like

1288
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: just going and learning that is gonna make you a

1289
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: better woodsman, and um, you're gonna get into the woods,

1290
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: get into places that you you know haven't been before.

1291
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: And uh, I can guarantee that anybody that's you know,

1292
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: running bears with dogs probably also knows something about white

1293
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: tails and etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Yeah, this gets me thinking

1294
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: about the game cooperative idea. Really, you know, we need

1295
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: some like official system to get people to connect landowners

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01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: and hunters. I feel I think that would be a

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01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: great especially in the digital age. I feel like that

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01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: would be a great resource to have people say I'm

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01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: willing to work, and people say I'm willing to let

1300
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: you work for hunting opportunities and then make that a

1301
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: thing for folks. Um, so that's the owner of that

1302
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: idea is is our man, Doug during But I I

1303
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: believe that to be something that we can do as

1304
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: a community. So maybe in the future you'll have kind

1305
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: of like a Zillo for for this where you can

1306
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: go and click on a little you know, a little

1307
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: dot on the map and it can be hey, if

1308
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: you do this, I'll let you do this, and you

1309
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: can call that person up, connect with them and go

1310
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: do it. So maybe in the future one day. Um,

1311
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: does that help Matt, It doesn't, I mean, and yeah,

1312
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: something like that would be great because i mean, you know,

1313
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: like I mentioned in my background in the scaluing movement,

1314
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of any conservation work because I've done

1315
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: plenty of it, you know, so helping someone in the

1316
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: land is not a broad Well, it sounds like you're

1317
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: doing all the right stuff. You know, like you said,

1318
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: you volunteer for Boy Scouts of America there locally, and

1319
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: t U and b h A and i W l A.

1320
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: You know, all those are places. You know, if I

1321
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: was just starting out and all this that, those are

1322
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,480
Speaker 1: places where I'd look to find mentors and hunting buddies

1323
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: and build myself because I'm telling you, man, hunting alone

1324
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: is great, but having a group of people that you

1325
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: share that value system with you talk about your trade.

1326
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's so much better that way. So

1327
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: that's that's I'm sure a big part of it for

1328
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are hunting, that are new

1329
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: to hunting that listen to this show, Yeah, it's the

1330
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: it's the community. It's it's like kind of what the

1331
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: whole idea of the hunting collective is based around. So yeah, no,

1332
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: it definitely is important because it's you know, to have

1333
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: successful on your own is great a lot of you know,

1334
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 1: I love hunting by myself anymore. I probably like it

1335
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: better than hunting with a crew. But man, there's nothing

1336
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: like a deer camp with a bunch of dudes. There's

1337
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 1: some folks that hunt solely for the community aspect. I

1338
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: believe they give a ship less about killing the deer.

1339
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: Deer camp is deer camp, you know, just gonna have

1340
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people in it. I love both aspects

1341
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: of it. I've come to like, if you really want success,

1342
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like you gotta strike out on your own.

1343
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: But it can't always be like that. I've come to

1344
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 1: realize in my older age, along with my grunts and

1345
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: groans that I now have, that we're we're so lucky

1346
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: to have this thing that we're so passionate about and

1347
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 1: to have them groups that are so passionate about it.

1348
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: Because if you think about it, like nationally, like who

1349
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: else has that like name another like hobby or lifestyle

1350
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: or sport that like can like it's coalesced the right word.

1351
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: So many people will coalesced around it and be so

1352
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: passionate about it. Mean, sure you have like sports teams,

1353
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: but like it doesn't get you like a bond with

1354
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: a guy you know or a gal, you'd be surprised.

1355
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: Still is always the non hunter. He's got video games

1356
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna bring up. Do you tell me? What do

1357
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: you think on a national level has like the same

1358
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,959
Speaker 1: sort of like, Oh no, I'm just saying sports in particular,

1359
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: it makes they I think they it makes people insane. Um,

1360
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: it does, But I totally see what what you mean.

1361
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: It's not the same kind of I like, I have

1362
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: a big sport. I'm a huge sports fan, and even

1363
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: I like to return to it over the pandemic, and

1364
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: my son is really into football, so like that has

1365
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: returned me to it. I took some years off, um

1366
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: of being like a fanatic, but I'm back to being

1367
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 1: a fanatic. And I love it, dude. I love nothing more.

1368
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: I love and going out and hunting and going and

1369
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: watching having that bond my kid, my dad and my brother.

1370
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: We talk sports all the time. But I've always said

1371
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: that when you hunt with somebody, when I go to

1372
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: like trade shows and the people that I've hunted with,

1373
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: and even in a like a professional sense. The bond

1374
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,600
Speaker 1: is deeper than the kind of the artificial or superficial

1375
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: sports bond. Now, I'm not if you play on a

1376
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: team with somebody and you guys, you know, that's a

1377
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: different thing. Like I'm more talking about sports fandom. And also,

1378
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, hunting is more accessible than sports in a

1379
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: way that that you can participate in it because anybody

1380
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: can buy a license. I'm awful, Like I'm awful at basketball,

1381
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: so I'm probably not gonna find many people who want

1382
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: to play with me. And and that's not the case.

1383
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: And I know I'll play with you. I had a

1384
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: granny shot, like, but I'm good at other sports, just

1385
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: not basketball. I like playing those guys like you shoop

1386
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: up on you. It's you is the Are you good

1387
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: at basketball? You got the height? Yeah, I was gonna

1388
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: says he's automatically good at basketball. I don't know. Yeah,

1389
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: I can shoot it. I can shoot a basketball, alright, Matt,

1390
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: Are you you played basketball? No? No, that's good. I

1391
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: played football in high school. But that's about it. Yeah,

1392
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: people from the East Coast would never dare play basketball.

1393
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: Has made that up? That's well. I tell people. I

1394
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: tell people all the time I was. I was born

1395
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: in southwestern p A. And you know that's the place

1396
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: where they've had tried to have like two professional basketball

1397
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: team and they folded because nobody would go to the game.

1398
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: So it's true. Yeah, I'm well, I'm from western Maryland,

1399
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: so we're not too far. We're basically the same guy.

1400
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 1: So I feel like you feel, Um, well, I was

1401
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 1: just I was gonna say the key aspect. You know,

1402
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: it definitely was something that I like about it. That's

1403
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: because that's what I remember from my dad. All of

1404
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: his friends were his hunting buddies. So yeah, it's a

1405
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: different thing. It really is. I think it might sound

1406
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: a little bit, uh overly dramatic or trite for somebody

1407
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't know what it is. Maybe like Phil, Phil

1408
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: doesn't understand. Uh he thinks I. Phil thinks we have

1409
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: a bond. Now he knows that we're best friends. Now,

1410
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: wait till we hunt together. Wait till what's gonna the

1411
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: emotions you're gonna feel when we are standing over a

1412
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: dead turkey together, weeping, weeping, crying in each other's arms,

1413
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: shooting in together. Well, it's fine, it's all fine. Well, Matt,

1414
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: thank you brother for everything, and keep us updated on

1415
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: how it goes out there. Thank you very much, and

1416
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: I'll make sure to do that, and you know, try

1417
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: to write into the future. You've had some great conversations recently.

1418
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: I really appreciate what you guys are doing out there. Well, thanks, Matt.

1419
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 1: We'll keep it up and keep that. Yeah, keep the

1420
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: email inbox, man. The email in the box keeps me sane,

1421
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: as I've said, on a daily basis, So uh, keep

1422
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: firing away, all right, You'll have a good day. Thanks.

1423
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for the Roadtail Dip. My neighbor used

1424
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: to make that ship and it was like it was

1425
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: good the first like when it was warm, but then

1426
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: if you ate it two days in a row, you'd

1427
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 1: be like you die through this, you would die. But

1428
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: like once a year, I'll put the hammer on it. Eric,

1429
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: all I know about it. I'm sure Eric. Call what's

1430
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,719
Speaker 1: going on? Man? Let's ask Eric what he knows about Rotel.

1431
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: Do you know anything about Rotel Dip? Yeah? Do you

1432
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: know anything about Like do you guys ever have a

1433
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl parties over there at the Hall Household? No?

1434
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 1: But I'm made so she'd deal with Roadtail tomaotis there?

1435
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: It is and and processed cheese. Correct. I usually use

1436
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: the cream cheese and then the jar of the Okay,

1437
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 1: so there is. Yeah, I saw that variation to some people.

1438
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 1: If you don't want to go to the Velveta route,

1439
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: you can go like half shredded cheddar and half cream

1440
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: cheese and you'll end up with a similar result. But yeah,

1441
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: some people call it rotel dip. But yeah, it sounds

1442
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: like you could call it uh sausage dip too. I

1443
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: called sausage deep. I used Buyer sausage. Last time. I

1444
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: used by your sausage. That's what. Yeah, I'm getting that

1445
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 1: inspired for football. I was gonna make like healthy things,

1446
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: but now I feel like I had to make this dip.

1447
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: All right, I was, I told you just a second ago.

1448
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you this question later, but now

1449
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: I want to hear what Eric's got to say about

1450
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: it too. This is the eaglass Who who? Who are

1451
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,040
Speaker 1: you picking for the Super for the Super Bowl? You

1452
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: know I'm not. I will also admit that I did

1453
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: a little betting on this Super Bowl nice at the

1454
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: beginning of the playoffs, right, and I just was betting

1455
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: along each game. And I still have all my money left. Now,

1456
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: are these like digital bets? Are you just? Are you

1457
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: betting with buddies? Here in town? Here in Montana? You

1458
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: can just go to like a little kiosk, put your

1459
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: a little bet in there. And so it's completely legal, Phil,

1460
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,879
Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking. That's not It's a completely

1461
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: legal thing that I'm admitting to here. Nobody asked Ben.

1462
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: You seem a little defensive. Okay, where are you now?

1463
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: You had a hundred fifty where you at a hundred

1464
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: seventy seven. And so if I win my bets, I

1465
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: bet on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to win. So if

1466
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: I win my bets, I double my money. Do you

1467
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: want them to win? Are you just betting? I do?

1468
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: I do. I'm a Tom Brady fan. Oh God, is

1469
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 1: that bad? Oh? My stomach just turned over. He's a

1470
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: forty three year old man. He looks like he's twenty five,

1471
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: drinking from the fountain of youth. Good for him. Have

1472
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: you ever seen like Ben tom Brady fan? Because he

1473
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: sees what he wants to be? Yeah? Have you ever

1474
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: seen like a picture of Terry Bradshaw and he was

1475
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: forty three? He looks exactly the same as he does now. Yeah,

1476
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: he looks awful. Tom Brady looks like he he looks

1477
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: like an eighteen year old boy. He is. Something's going on.

1478
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 1: I think he might have sold his soul as what

1479
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,799
Speaker 1: I think. But I'm betting on the man Ben respects

1480
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: that I expect that. I'm betting on the man that

1481
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: can defy time and defy age, because I think he

1482
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: might have other tricks up his sleeve. But I've bet

1483
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: against I will admit had to have betting against the

1484
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: Chiefs multiple times and lost each time. But I don't

1485
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: put a lot on it because the Chiefs are good.

1486
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm just hoping that it's going to be an exciting

1487
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Me too, a good one to watch. So

1488
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: I only watched like one, maybe two football games these days.

1489
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: But Eric, who are you picking? I'm glad to go

1490
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: who was a Buccaneers If he can do that? Yeah,

1491
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. It's bad, It's like,

1492
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: not really smart to bet against the Chiefs, I think,

1493
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 1: but I'm doing it, and I like, like, your head's

1494
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: a tom like Tom Brady. Is something different about Tom? Right?

1495
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: Look at his face? Just look at his face. They've

1496
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: put a picture like George Blanda when he was forty three.

1497
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: He just looks like he's eighty. So I think there's

1498
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: something going on. Yeah, he and I are similar in age,

1499
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 1: and I certainly look a little bit older. Yeah, but

1500
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: I don't color my hair. Do you think her color

1501
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:30,839
Speaker 1: is there? I don't know. If you're in your early forties,

1502
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: man like a little bit of gray, it's pretty normal.

1503
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: But not for Tom Brady. I mean, he looks. I

1504
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: mean just look at him, all right, Eric, what's your question?

1505
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: Look at it? Like, look at him in the combine

1506
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: when he was like in his twenties. He looks. He

1507
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: looked older when he was twenty than he does right now.

1508
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: I think he might have the Benjamin Button thing going on.

1509
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: Oh it's it's almost as if he has a full

1510
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: time nutritionist and probably plastic surgeon. And I heard that

1511
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: I chef. He spent a million personal trainers. Yeah, I

1512
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: heard he spent a million dollars a year on his health. Yes, Eric,

1513
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna kind of want to gauge the type

1514
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: of man you are. If it was hunting season and

1515
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: you had a good hunt on this upcoming Sunday, like

1516
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: a good sit for a deer or a bear or

1517
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: whatever you're into. Would you skip the Super Bowl to

1518
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 1: go hunting? Absolutely, yeah, of course, yeah, I guess now

1519
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: you just DVR and watch it later. Of course. No,

1520
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,560
Speaker 1: I have The cool thing about football is that you

1521
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: can just start watching in the playoffs and like most

1522
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: of hunting is over, so it's kind of like a

1523
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: nice little thing you can do. So yeah, No, there's

1524
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: lots of football during hunting season, which I never see

1525
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: because I'm doing other things. But yes, lots of folks,

1526
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: lots of folks leave the deer stand to go catch

1527
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: their you know, the home team playing. Like Doug says,

1528
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: the best day to go hunt your neighbors in Wisconsin

1529
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: is when a pack pack. Yeah, you don't really be fun.

1530
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: And I know they do it in Minnesota him they

1531
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 1: watch a simple bowl they're sties. Yeah I would do that. Yeah,

1532
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: they get a little generator, put a little TV on.

1533
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: I'd do it. I would be into it. But no,

1534
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this like this time of years kind of

1535
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: off time. Right. You can around here. You can go

1536
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: chase mountain lions or ice fish or there's a lot

1537
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: of stuff to do outside, of course, but it's not

1538
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 1: as pressing as like ELK, and I don't mind on

1539
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: a nice Sunday if if I get get up and

1540
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: go locally for in ELK season, if it's quite at noon,

1541
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: I don't mind going catching football game, coming back, you know,

1542
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: a little bit later on, takeing a little break, watch

1543
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: a little football. I don't mind doing that on a Sunday.

1544
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: So I'm not against it. But I would never ever

1545
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 1: pick football over hunting, no matter what good. There's no scenario.

1546
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: So Eric, do you have a question. I just I

1547
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: like to let you freestyle. I didn't even ask you

1548
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: for any questions, but you have anything. It doesn't even

1549
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: have to be a question about. It would be anything

1550
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 1: that you want to talk about. What you what? What

1551
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 1: did you have for breakfast this morning? Air? Oh? Give

1552
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: me man? Actually stopped at Angles, stopped a dude. I

1553
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: love Bojangles, love it, Stoles go on the way. I

1554
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: don't work. I've never had Boles, Sauces, graving fries. I've

1555
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: never had a bow Jangles. I don't think I know

1556
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: what it is right that Coast chain. It's like a

1557
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: chicken place. Yeah, yeah, chicken and biscuits. Yeah, it's like, yeah,

1558
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: chicken and biscuits. Yeah. But it's a It's like a

1559
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 1: Chick fil At, except much greasier, in my opinion, tastier.

1560
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: For that reason, I'm not caring for the biscuits. There's

1561
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: too much butter on them. I mean, you just just

1562
01:21:54,479 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 1: to have a towel. Sounds great, are listeners? Man? This

1563
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: is the third or fourth call we've had. Everybody's had

1564
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: an amazing breakfast. Man. I had like an orange and

1565
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 1: I just feel like I when I'm a little Clementine's

1566
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: special k with red berries over here. Yeah, that's when

1567
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: my child ate this morning. Yeah, it's it's all. It's

1568
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: sweeter than I wanted to be, but I still need it. Yeah, everybody,

1569
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm impressed for everybody's breakfast choices. I'm hungry now too.

1570
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,799
Speaker 1: But there's no bow j Angles in Bozeman though, No, no, sir, nothing.

1571
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: And what else you want to talk about? Ericole? What

1572
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: do you want to ask you? Honest, he's here, I'm

1573
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: in I'm in the Hammot camp and here will be

1574
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: the last year. But and I don't get out far

1575
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:42,520
Speaker 1: away from the house. You know, they know you sometimes,

1576
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: so y'all more in the back country stuff? What what IEMUK?

1577
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: Do you ever year or had to stay at over

1578
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: night and what I don't need specifically put in your

1579
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 1: pants thinking I might have to stay over that. You know,

1580
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: I've never been caught out. I've stayed out kind of

1581
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,640
Speaker 1: on purpose, really really late, and by the time you

1582
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: get back, you might as well have called it staying out.

1583
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: Like one time we had a the hike was just

1584
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: long enough and we had to wait just long enough

1585
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: on this blood trail because we we had like a

1586
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: suspected you know, bad hit that we h we just

1587
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 1: kind of decided to take a nap. I think we

1588
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 1: woke up around midnight and then followed this blood trail

1589
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: and found this elk and uh then chopped it up

1590
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: and you know, got back to camp whatever it was like,

1591
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, guys were going to get up in like

1592
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: the next hour or two. You know. But these days,

1593
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: I think the only thing I really I don't know,

1594
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: I have like a little back country organizer kit that

1595
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: weighs probably a pound. It's got my my what we

1596
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: call like a kill kid in it. You know. I

1597
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: got a zip tie to attach a tag and maybe

1598
01:23:55,880 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: some you know pecord which has multiple uses obviously, you know, uh,

1599
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:05,919
Speaker 1: backup knife, backup head lamp, in it. Um my tepee

1600
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: or or you know, baby wipe stash is always in there. Uh.

1601
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: And it's certainly got firestarter, which I think if one

1602
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: thing you always want to make sure you have is

1603
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 1: like a very easy way to start a fire. And

1604
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: to me, that's more than just carrying around a big lighter. Um.

1605
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,719
Speaker 1: I have these little things I got him at the

1606
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: r A. I it's it's actually meant to be a

1607
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: like a fuel for a stove. I think it's called

1608
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: es bit, and they're like it's a little white piece

1609
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: of some kind of fuel. It's hard, but you can

1610
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 1: like that thing and it'll sit there and burn for

1611
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen minutes. And if you can't get a

1612
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: fire going with that, then either you're kind of host

1613
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: or or you don't have you know, any kind of

1614
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 1: fire building skills, you know, But I don't know. I

1615
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 1: don't really Otherwise I don't carry like a shelter all

1616
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: the time. Um. I do like to think about, you know,

1617
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 1: what the weather is going to be in the next

1618
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, and if it's gonna get nasty, I

1619
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 1: like to have some rain gear with me. Well, well

1620
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: before we go, Philly engineer, he's just getting let out

1621
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: of Big Yawn. It's clearly not into Eric. You want

1622
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: to tell anything about Phil. I mean, I feel like

1623
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: Phil's turkey hunt is uh, I mane, it's like two

1624
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: months away now, two and a half months away, and uh,

1625
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: it's planned for real, it's happening. It's happening. It's gonna

1626
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: happen in Montana. Okay. Phil requested a local hunt, and

1627
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: so I've set up I haven't really told him this yet,

1628
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 1: but I've set up a hunt up near white Fish.

1629
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: It's a bit of a drive, but there's lots of turkeys.

1630
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: It is private land, and uh, we should be able

1631
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 1: to do this. We'll see if that that's that's my

1632
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: first option. I have other options around, so I don't

1633
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: want to pigeonhole listen to that one option. But there's

1634
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 1: lots of turkeys there, it's private ground. We'll be able

1635
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: to get on him. It's a nice little day hunt,

1636
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: and uh I Phil wants to sleep in a hammock

1637
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: or something, we can do that. But I think we're

1638
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna have lots of action and lots of learning opportunities.

1639
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 1: And be honest, you should definitely come with us for

1640
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: Phil's first range time. Whenever he gets nice and we

1641
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 1: can start to you know, early March probably when we

1642
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 1: start to really dial in and now we can have

1643
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 1: a little calling session. Maybe you can even do it

1644
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: here in the podcast. So, but I want to let

1645
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: Eric you know you got any questions for Phil. I

1646
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 1: see barrels forward into the in his hunting future. Probably

1647
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, we'll definitely change his life. We just don't

1648
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 1: know how. Yeah, larre these number one wasn't real high.

1649
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, maybe we'll be after the first time.

1650
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 1: So we're just rooting at more. After his first time,

1651
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna like it. We'll go back it maybe eventually

1652
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: go by sale that. So that's like, yeah, I mean

1653
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: I've said it before, Eric, I'll say it again. It's

1654
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: it's nice and it's Eric, who are who are the

1655
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 1: fire behind me? Exactly? Yeah, Ben's a wet blanket over

1656
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 1: my fire. Yep, that's true. It is true. I could

1657
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: see it in his eyes. Whenever you're honest, is like,

1658
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: come on, Phil, start hunting, and he perks up a

1659
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: little bit. He seems a little more serious, and I'm like,

1660
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 1: come on, Phil, get your think that. It's like when

1661
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 1: your kid, when you're talking to your kid, and you know,

1662
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 1: like you telling him to do something is going to

1663
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: make him not want to do it. I think you

1664
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: just have to do some reverse psychology, ben. Yeah, like

1665
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 1: I don't want you to exactly like something. You wouldn't

1666
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: be able to do it anyway. An engineer, you know

1667
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't even know anything about hunting. Huh. Yep? Is

1668
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: that working? Yep? It kind of is? Alright? Cool? Cool?

1669
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: Thanks Eric? Thank you, Eric Hall. Um. I expect I

1670
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 1: expect that you'll be giving your your opinion or at

1671
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 1: least your writing skills to the theme song. Are you

1672
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 1: gonna do it? We will not. I'm not all right

1673
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: as a man of stand your ground, Stand your ground,

1674
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 1: air call all right, we'll go forward without you. We'll

1675
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 1: go forward without you, all right. Well I'll be listening.

1676
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: We know that I will. I love it all right, man. Well,

1677
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 1: thank you as good it talks to you. Keep keep

1678
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 1: on keeping on it there. Yeah, thanks for your time. Eric,

1679
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure see you, okay, be honest. I feel

1680
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 1: like asked the Eagle as a hit man. We talked

1681
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: about this every time, but I feel like we gotta

1682
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: get Eric call in here. Eric Hall sometimes brings the energy.

1683
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: Other times it's a little more sedated this time. I

1684
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: think he was full of bou Jangles, French fries, gravy.

1685
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: I'll do it too. I'd be ready for a nap.

1686
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 1: You've never had that meal there, but yeah, yeah, I'm

1687
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: gonna try it next time I'm in North Carolina, hopefully

1688
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: this summer. Man, I haven't been in three years. Really, yeah,

1689
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 1: because either work or my house or pandemics. Yeah, yeah,

1690
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 1: I um, I'm kind of got a craving for all

1691
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff after what we heard from our folks

1692
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 1: in the breakfast uh scenario, like cinnamon buns, bacon, French fries, gravy. Boy,

1693
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: oh boy, but yes, asked the eagle. Is my I

1694
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: would say it's my favorite thing to do because we

1695
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 1: just talk to people that we really like to talk to.

1696
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: So thank you to Mike, Mike, Matt Eric. But what's

1697
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 1: the what's the next what's the next thing you're excited about?

1698
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: You you can go lion hunting with old mingus. Yeah.

1699
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: I've been trying to make it out two days a

1700
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 1: week while I'm home. He's at least treat one line

1701
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: I know hasn't treat himself. He has been a party too.

1702
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: He's been. Yeah, he's been at a couple of treats

1703
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,759
Speaker 1: with lions in them. Okay, but um, yeah, we keep trying.

1704
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: We're keeping after it. But Steve and I are going

1705
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: down to hang out with Clay Nuke. Yeah. He was

1706
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: telling me in about ten days hunt squirrels behind his

1707
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: fight hunting and then hunt coons behind his plots. And

1708
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm bringing mingus down for that too, to get him

1709
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,839
Speaker 1: on some coon. It makes has got some good experience

1710
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 1: and as young young hunting dog life, he mightn't have

1711
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: been around some good hunt dogs though he has he

1712
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: has for sure. I just know there's a lot of

1713
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 1: dogs that at his age have done a lot more well.

1714
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: Before we go, Jannice, I'll give you this opportunity to

1715
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:35,719
Speaker 1: speak with with Phil about his turkey hunting, because again

1716
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: what I say, it's little to no effect, if not

1717
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: a negative effect. So now that we him and I

1718
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 1: have talked about kind of like the n r A

1719
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 1: gun safety rules, we talked about that, we haven't talked

1720
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: about kind of turkeys yet or calling turkeys. We'll get

1721
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 1: into that later. I've got plenty of time, I feel,

1722
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: at least a month or so to get through that

1723
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 1: but do you have anything you want to say to Phil.

1724
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 1: He's perking up right now as we speak. I think

1725
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 1: Phil should know and this will help Phil keep you

1726
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,719
Speaker 1: fired up throughout this process and get through the next

1727
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 1: because right now, for me, the next two months are

1728
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 1: just like like just I'm buzzing with anticipation because it's coming.

1729
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 1: It's coming. We're gonna hear a gobbel soon and we'll

1730
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 1: be in those beautiful spring turkey woods. But for you,

1731
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it means nothing. But what you should know

1732
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: is that when it's all said and done, Ben calls

1733
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:27,719
Speaker 1: in a turkey, you shoot him. I'm sure that's gonna happen.

1734
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to breasts and two thighs and two

1735
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: legs some of the finest eating out there, so good

1736
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 1: if you do it right. The breast you almost can't

1737
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: mess up. I mean, I mean, you can cook them

1738
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: anyway and your kids and they don't like it. Something's

1739
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 1: wrong with them. I'm not joking there like it. It's

1740
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:52,640
Speaker 1: so good. Like there's a lot of times even with

1741
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: I cook an elk or something that my kids are

1742
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: kind of like, but they have never given me an

1743
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 1: aunt about turkey meat smoked hunting glazed. Just come on, man,

1744
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 1: just come on. Like turkey cord on blue is my

1745
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 1: favorite thing in the world. Schnitzel is wonderful. You get.

1746
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 1: Anything you do with a chicken, you can do with

1747
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: a turkey. That's a that's a new T shirt. We're making.

1748
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 1: Anything you do with the damn chicken, you can do

1749
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 1: with the turkey. Except when you're eating it, you have

1750
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 1: to tell a story about how Ben called it in

1751
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: turkey Parmer, John, Right, what's your favorite what's your favorite meal?

1752
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: White includes a white meat? Phil? I mean, is it

1753
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 1: is it like wrong to say fried chicken? It's not

1754
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: wronged turkey because basically schnitzel is pounded fried turkey, And

1755
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 1: if you don't go through the process of pounding it,

1756
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 1: you can just do what we call turkey nuggets. Turkey

1757
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: nuggets are Oh my gosh. Now I can't take it, dude,

1758
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: I can't take it. I'm taking I told you this,

1759
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 1: I could I my I was blind, and then I

1760
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: went to the n w t F conference last year.

1761
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I had no idea. It was

1762
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: such a big deal. No idea. I've been trying to

1763
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 1: tell you. I gave you a book that I don't

1764
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 1: know if you've read it yet. I haven't yet. I

1765
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: will before we go. You read The Temple Agent. So

1766
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 1: it's just it's like a full on sickness. I mean

1767
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:19,680
Speaker 1: they say that about a lot of outdoor passions and activities,

1768
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, fishing and hunting in general, but the turkey's

1769
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: just really really grab you. I mean, just yeah, it

1770
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 1: is a part of it. I know this to be true.

1771
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 1: A big part of it is the anticipation and because

1772
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,600
Speaker 1: we have like adul drums. This is we're currently in

1773
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 1: the hunting dull drums, at least in where we live,

1774
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: and then everything comes to life and just like so

1775
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: happy to be out of the dull drums and then

1776
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 1: you hear the turkey gobble in it. I think the hook,

1777
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: the hook has more to do in the beginning with

1778
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,839
Speaker 1: like I don't than anybody, especially adult on set hunters,

1779
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 1: who go into it with anything other than a like,

1780
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: it's a turkey, he's it's he has a brain the

1781
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 1: size of a p How hard could it be? And

1782
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 1: then you go out there and you have like just

1783
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: enough success like calling and talking to one and you're

1784
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 1: like feeling like you're gonna have a dead turkey and

1785
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 1: then he just walks away and then it happens again,

1786
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 1: and he whatever, it's just like it doesn't happen. It

1787
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, and and like that's what's got my wife,

1788
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 1: she's like getting to be Someone once said it, Parker Hall,

1789
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 1: I think said that his mom. His mom, Parker Hall,

1790
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 1: is a grown man, you know, of my age roughly

1791
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 1: and uh, he says, his dad and hunt him his

1792
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 1: whole life. And it wasn't until they retired and started

1793
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: doing like the annual they do an annual park Hale's

1794
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: parents start in Florida in late March and then driving

1795
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: RV some direction north and west, and somewhere around the

1796
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:59,680
Speaker 1: end of May they quit hunting turkeys. I can't wait

1797
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: till its. He's like his dad kind of has like

1798
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 1: a very casual attitude about it, and you know, spends

1799
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: a lot of time reading, hanging out. His mom, he said,

1800
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 1: is mad at the turkeys and kills and tries to

1801
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 1: kill a lot of God what um, that's kind of

1802
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 1: And at first I was like, that's kind of weird

1803
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 1: to say someone's mad at the turkeys. And I think

1804
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:23,640
Speaker 1: what they're trying to say is that like you have

1805
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 1: become so hooked and you are like so started, like

1806
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 1: entrenched in this like battle of wits with this bird

1807
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 1: that should not really have, like you be at the

1808
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 1: same wit level as you. Yet there you are, and

1809
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 1: you're like engaging with him and you can't stop it.

1810
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. The bird has only his natural

1811
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 1: instincts to fight back. That's all he has. We have

1812
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: a little mechanical box that can fight because he's not

1813
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 1: fighting too to avoid, to to evade us. Yet we

1814
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 1: have a little box that we can see the entire

1815
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 1: world on from any level. We can zoom out to

1816
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 1: a world the planet view and zoom into the tree

1817
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 1: that he's in. And we have fake you know, plastic

1818
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 1: sometimes real feathers on decoys. We have constructed all kinds

1819
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 1: of devices to make the noises that they make, and

1820
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: yet sometimes none of that can do. Hey, we have

1821
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 1: driving up. You think that the odds are in your favor.

1822
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 1: We create, We created the printing press and the combustion engine,

1823
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 1: but sometimes the turkey just beats us. And that's what

1824
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 1: you needed. I had a Nemesis bur here locally last year,

1825
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 1: and it was like the coolest thing. I hated it.

1826
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 1: During the whole thing. It was embarrassing to get beaten

1827
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 1: every time I went. But boy, this year I can

1828
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 1: see that Turkey's little face. Oh there's nothing that I'll

1829
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 1: get you out of bed at three thirty in morning

1830
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 1: than to have a nemesis burg. It just is. I'll

1831
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: tell you this, this is the end of it. I

1832
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 1: feel like we're getting long winded here, we wrap it up.

1833
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of passion I can tell can

1834
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 1: you wrap it up? But like my good friend Scottie

1835
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 1: Justice says, there are a lot of things in life

1836
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: that you can be late for. Tricky hunting is not

1837
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 1: one of them. That's right. So when Ben says get

1838
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,600
Speaker 1: up and be there at three, you get up and

1839
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 1: you'd be there, Yeah, because you've gotta be waiting on

1840
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: him before the old Tom wakes up. That's right. Any

1841
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 1: last words, Phil, can't wait see you. That's it. That's

1842
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 1: all another episode in the books. Thanks to Honest tell Us,

1843
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 1: Thanks to all of you that emailed in and we

1844
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 1: called and you answered the phone and you were in

1845
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 1: for another asked the Eagle. Like I said before we

1846
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: got started as my one of my favorite things. And Phil,

1847
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 1: I guess who got his prediction right on the Super Bowl.

1848
01:37:55,800 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 1: Ben O'Brien, That's that's right, that's right. Uh, just another

1849
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:05,679
Speaker 1: reason why I might get out of the hunting industry

1850
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: and just join the gambling world. I think it might

1851
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,720
Speaker 1: be smart anyway, that the email came in from fad l.

1852
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 1: He said, a good at afternoon, Ben and Phil, And

1853
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 1: this is like the most desperate email I think we've

1854
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 1: ever received. Please please, please please film Phil's first turkey hunt.

1855
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 1: The long road all your fans have had to endure

1856
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:29,839
Speaker 1: and during the COVID shutdown and the antipacent for Phil's

1857
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: first hunting experience, it must be seen. Phil, I wanted

1858
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 1: to run this by you because I know it has

1859
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 1: been a long road. And pretty soon we're gonna start

1860
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 1: buying our tags and we're gonna start announcing dates. We'll

1861
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 1: start filling everybody in on what they can look forward

1862
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 1: to in the spring season. Here at th HC. Lots

1863
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 1: going on. But are you okay with being filmed? Yeah,

1864
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 1: of course, I'm I'm just here to make to make

1865
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 1: this show as as good as it can be. I mean,

1866
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 1: what I prefer to not be filmed? Well, yeah, obviously, Uh,

1867
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 1: you know, Maggie. Maggie up in production Tracy on the

1868
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 1: other side of the building were films for the Meat

1869
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 1: Eator television show for their very first hunt. And I

1870
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: think both of them would have preferred not to be

1871
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm I'm I'm doing it for you, Ben.

1872
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 1: This is all for you, and you know, honestly it

1873
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: might be fun. Who could say, uh, let me just

1874
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 1: say this to you, Phil, Let me say this, and

1875
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 1: I am serious about this. If we filmed this, even

1876
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 1: on my phone, and anybody talks shit about Phil, I'm

1877
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,719
Speaker 1: coming for you, Okay. I would like probably gonna send

1878
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: you a series of mean emojis or something on the

1879
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 1: Internet because I will protect Phil from all the slings

1880
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,960
Speaker 1: and errors of the Internet. I won't have it. This

1881
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Speaker 1: is a warning out there everybody. I won't have you

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Speaker 1: talking about Phil that way. Okay. He didn't miss that

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Speaker 1: turkey on purpose, just practicing what I'm gonna say. He

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Speaker 1: didn't miss those three turkeys on purpose. He was trying

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Speaker 1: his best. He he didn't. He didn't trip over that

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Speaker 1: branch and cut his face open on purpose. No, he

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Speaker 1: was tried his best. He gets a participation trophy from me.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make anyway. Well here, stop talking. He's talking

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Speaker 1: about Phil Ben because this isn't it's not like precious.

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Speaker 1: Leave alone. Sorry, I'm all fired up now, I'm hypothetically

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Speaker 1: fired up on your behalf. I'm done point point all

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Speaker 1: the cameras at me, and and and let the internet

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Speaker 1: judge me. I don't care. Stay away from Phil bastards anyway.

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Speaker 1: I think we will, we will, we will film it,

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Speaker 1: at least for for social media. That's some sort of

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Speaker 1: posterity here for this, this long awaited journey of PTE

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Speaker 1: filled the engineer. So uh, just stay away from him.

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Speaker 1: Stay you from him. The only thing you're allowed to

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Speaker 1: do with him is play video games, and that's it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Then, just to wait video games with that

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Speaker 1: guy sometimes. Here's the thing. Then, this season of Destiny

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Speaker 1: has been kind of slow lately, but guess what tomorrow

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01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: or today as this podcast is airing, the new season

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Speaker 1: of Destiny to start, so I'm sure I'll be on

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Speaker 1: more often. I'll be playing with Destiny to is that

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Speaker 1: a first person shooter game? Is? Wow? Look at you

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01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 1: using the lingo? So you will it help you with

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01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 1: shooting turkeys? You think? I mean? I think the skills

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01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 1: are directly transferable. I'm because I was wondering why I

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Speaker 1: even had to take Hunter's safety since I've been shooting

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Speaker 1: guns on a TV on a TV screen since since

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Speaker 1: I was like seven, So I don't old CV, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Okay, all right, put it on the resume. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, Well um again, we're gonna We're gonna announce

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Speaker 1: real soon here. We got a lot to do, but

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Speaker 1: we need to raise money for turkeys. So go to cameo.

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Speaker 1: It's an app, it's a website. Type in the search bar,

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Speaker 1: Ben O'Brien and I will pop up and you can

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Speaker 1: buy a video. A chance for us to make a

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Speaker 1: video for you and your family, your friends, whomever. Fifty

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Speaker 1: bucks of pop. Every single dollar that we earn is

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Speaker 1: going to go to the n w TF. Every single

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Speaker 1: red scent that we earned is going to the nd

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Speaker 1: w TF. I would really feel says that we can't

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Speaker 1: do it, but I would really love two hundred of

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Speaker 1: you to be um so kind and generous as to

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Speaker 1: do this for us and help us praise ten grand

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Speaker 1: I know it's a lot to ask in a pandemic.

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Speaker 1: I know fifty and grow on trees, but I promise

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Speaker 1: we will make it worth your while and we will

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Speaker 1: send that money to a really good cause. So that's

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Speaker 1: my plea. As as Ronell always says, I'm begging and pleading,

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Speaker 1: but I hope it's for the best for turkeys and

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Speaker 1: fulfill and all you new hunters out there. So we'll

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Speaker 1: see you next week. Say bye, phil By, because I

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Speaker 1: can't go a week without doing run oh breaking out

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Speaker 1: wrong and I'm to wait wrong breaking in heaven.