Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Who is this this? What's up? Jay?
Speaker 2: Is this the gecko?
Speaker 1: This is the gecko?
Speaker 2: Very very cool? What's up with me? I am sitting?
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if I asked that?
Speaker 1: Did I did? I say? What's up with you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You said, you said, what's up?
Speaker 1: Fuck? I have, dude, I have like horrible I don't
Speaker 1: know how long this has been going on, but I
Speaker 1: have like horrible short term amnesia memory thing. I don't
Speaker 1: know if what.
Speaker 2: Is your long term memory? Good?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I think I think my long term
Speaker 1: memory is good. I just don't remember like names or
Speaker 1: things that people just told me, or that I've said.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's as a result of like
Speaker 1: say that again.
Speaker 2: You'd like, do you remember your third grade teacher's name?
Speaker 1: I believe, Yeah. I think her name was miss Hellman.
Speaker 2: I think I only know one of my teacher's names
Speaker 2: from all twelve years of school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are their names? What's give me one?
Speaker 2: Just erase it from my memory?
Speaker 1: But what's going on with you? Jay? What's up with you?
Speaker 2: Well? Well, first I want to say I'm sad I
Speaker 2: missed your show in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Ah, what did you were you not able to tickets?
Speaker 2: Not just that, but I it's been kind of scary
Speaker 2: for me to be outside for longer than an hour
Speaker 2: at a time nowadays.
Speaker 1: Ah Jay twenty eight, Chicago has had diarrhea for almost
Speaker 1: three months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a week and a half, it'll be three months. Actually,
Speaker 2: I've gone to a doctor. Of course, I've gone to
Speaker 2: a doctor. I'm not stupid. And and they, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's so disgusting. They made me like bring in a sample,
Speaker 2: and they went through all of the lists and they
Speaker 2: said that I have giardia. Giardia is a pest, you
Speaker 2: know what a it's. It's in water, and it usually
Speaker 2: comes from a minuscule amount of seco matter. You can
Speaker 2: get it literally anywhere. You can get it at a restaurant,
Speaker 2: you can get it licking a puddle in the street.
Speaker 2: You can get it from your own sink. So that's
Speaker 2: what happened to me. Got put on medication, came back
Speaker 2: immediately the following week. And then.
Speaker 1: Well it says also that you you believe that.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I go to my real doctor because I
Speaker 2: went to an emergency or not an emergency room. I
Speaker 2: went to urge Eka the first time I go to
Speaker 2: my real doctor room, he puts me on a different medication,
Speaker 2: does the same thing the next week, immediately comes back.
Speaker 2: So my issue with the fact that it's been almost
Speaker 2: three months is that I've been seeing this guy. I've
Speaker 2: been dating this guy. I started dating a guy just
Speaker 2: before this whole diary of thing happened. He went on
Speaker 2: a work trip out of Stay It, and the entire
Speaker 2: time he's been out of Stay It, I've been having
Speaker 2: this diarrhea. He comes back next week, and I've already
Speaker 2: told him the whole thing. He thinks that he thinks
Speaker 2: that my health is good after the first time I
Speaker 2: went to the doctor. He doesn't know that, you know,
Speaker 2: like we I, I am a I am a gay
Speaker 2: man as particpateon aff He is going to be coming
Speaker 2: back next week and I have major explosive diarrhea every
Speaker 2: other hour, and I don't know what to tell him.
Speaker 1: Are you on the toilet right now while you're talking about.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm in my depression room.
Speaker 1: You have a whole room dedicated to depression.
Speaker 2: Well, it's maybe I shouldn't call it a depression room.
Speaker 2: It's the anxiety room. The the where all of my
Speaker 2: ship goes. That isn't on display in my apartment all
Speaker 2: of your it's like boxes and boxes. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: spare bedroom.
Speaker 1: That's just because I said depression room. This sounds like
Speaker 1: kind of a good idea. It's good to like have
Speaker 1: a place where you can put it all that stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: So your boyfriend does not know that you have been
Speaker 1: having explosive diarrhea for three months every other hour.
Speaker 2: He knew in the beginning, like right when he left for.
Speaker 1: The trip, but he doesn't know it's still going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're not sure how to tell him because it
Speaker 1: means that you guys cannot have anal sex. Yeah, tell
Speaker 1: me again what the doctor's told you about a timeline
Speaker 1: of if this will get better.
Speaker 2: Well, normally it should get better within a week. And
Speaker 2: I went to urgent care again for the second time
Speaker 2: after seeing my real doctor, and they want me to
Speaker 2: bring in another sample. But the thing is, every time
Speaker 2: I have a free day to bring in a sample,
Speaker 2: I get constipated, and then the next day I have
Speaker 2: work or I of you know whatever else going on.
Speaker 2: So I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, hold on, let me get this straight.
Speaker 3: Jay.
Speaker 1: So your doctor has told you that as part of
Speaker 1: the process of you getting better, you need to bring
Speaker 1: them a sample, and you haven't been able to because
Speaker 1: you keep getting constipated or having work.
Speaker 2: It's it's the worst because it's like on my free days,
Speaker 2: I'm constipated on the days where I'm actually Jay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jay, if you're having diarrhea every other hour for
Speaker 1: the past three months, you need to I feel like
Speaker 1: that is a priority. Is quit your fucking job if
Speaker 1: you have to. You you can't do that. You can't
Speaker 1: have fucking diarrhea every hour. Where do you even? Where
Speaker 1: do you even work? Where you can do your job
Speaker 1: with this?
Speaker 2: At home? At home?
Speaker 1: You work at home?
Speaker 2: I need to be next to a toilet at all
Speaker 2: hours of my day.
Speaker 1: Jake, take a diarrhea all over part of Jay diarrhea.
Speaker 1: Go give them the sample. What are you doing? Just
Speaker 1: diarrhea in your car? Doesn't nobody, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It's tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, You're gonna diarrhea.
Speaker 2: In your car today.
Speaker 1: You gotta do that. You've got to prioritize this day,
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: How long you've been dad to your boyfriend?
Speaker 2: For four months?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Four? Wait? You been for four months. He he hasn't
Speaker 1: even been with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been gone, but we we talk every day
Speaker 2: and and he's he's coming back on Monday. Jas in
Speaker 2: my apartment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how to I don't know how
Speaker 1: to tell you that. I don't I don't know what
Speaker 1: to tell you except you just got to tell him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's un.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it is what it is. Do you
Speaker 1: do you do? Your doctor said it will be okay
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was even the first time I let
Speaker 2: because sometimes it resolves itself. Sometimes you gotta take medication.
Speaker 1: And have you been taking Okay, you went through two
Speaker 1: randsom medication. Are they are they gonna put you on
Speaker 1: a third one?
Speaker 2: That's what I asked for and they didn't want to
Speaker 2: put me on anything.
Speaker 1: You gotta tell you.
Speaker 2: I think like every time, every time I want to
Speaker 2: bring in a sample, my stomach gets stressed out and
Speaker 2: freezes up. It's like I have a shy stomach.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know this is this is like
Speaker 1: you need a Nathan field Er esque machine that like
Speaker 1: is a backpack hidden underneath a suit with a tube
Speaker 1: from your assholes in the that can that can be
Speaker 1: kind of Yeah, that like a diarrhea suit, So that
Speaker 1: way you can live your life but still diarrhea whenever
Speaker 1: you have to.
Speaker 2: Is there a way for astronauts to like close their
Speaker 2: poop bag inside of their astronauts suit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're astronauts. They've figured out everything. All. I guess
Speaker 1: what we're getting at here with this line of conversation, Jay,
Speaker 1: is that not all hope is lost for you. Listen,
Speaker 1: your boyfriend's situation. Just tell him. You have no other
Speaker 1: option than to tell him. He's going to find out.
Speaker 1: Just tell him. And I don't know how he's going
Speaker 1: to react. You don't know how he's gonna react. But
Speaker 1: it's okay. He's gonna laugh. Okay, it's gonna be Jay,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be okay. Man, if I could tell you,
Speaker 1: if it's all I feel, that's all I want to
Speaker 1: tell you, it's gonna be okay. All right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just glad I haven't had a single hemorrhoid.
Speaker 1: You one day will not have diarrhea. But you you
Speaker 1: gotta go. You guys delivered that stool sample. You gotta
Speaker 1: tell your boyfriend and let it play out. Jay, I
Speaker 1: don't I hope you're freaking out too hard about this
Speaker 1: whole whether or not to tell your your boyfriend thing.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not it's not worth freaking out about.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's fine.
Speaker 1: And hey, listen, we've been on the phone for eleven
Speaker 1: minutes and I don't know how good your phone speakers are,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't sound like you have had diarrhea.
Speaker 2: No, I I have not. I actually went before I
Speaker 2: started calling. I'll probably need to go to a little bit.
Speaker 1: Jay, is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 2: Uh, go to the doctor? Probably you need to, honestly,
Speaker 2: everybody dog you've got that you've been avoiding for a
Speaker 2: long time, and just get it done. Also, this is
Speaker 2: the sixty ninth call for me tonight. I got on
Speaker 2: at the sixty night call. Just want to say.
Speaker 1: That that's the magic number. Yeah, thanks for calling, Jay,
Speaker 1: Thanks for talking to me. I don't go to the
Speaker 1: doctor anymore because every time I do, he tells me
Speaker 1: how fat I'm getting. That's all he does. I don't
Speaker 1: even think he doesn't even do it in a way
Speaker 1: where it's like you're fat, and here's how what the plant?
Speaker 1: Here's the plan of how we're going to help you
Speaker 1: not be fat, but it's just he's just like, you're fat.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I knew that. I'm afraid because I'm afraid
Speaker 1: because every time I every time I go, I get fatter.
Speaker 1: And every time, right before I leave, I tell him
Speaker 1: next time I go and next time I see him,
Speaker 1: will I'll be less fat? And so I'm like lying,
Speaker 1: I should probably go to the doctor. Hello, Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: keck Hi, what is your name?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 3: I'm calling Lindsay.
Speaker 1: Lindsey, Lindsay, Lindsay, what's going on with you in your life?
Speaker 3: So I'm kind of gonna pickle right now? Yah, my parents,
Speaker 3: My parents are kicking me out due to the guy
Speaker 3: I am seeing. I have been seeing him for about
Speaker 3: three years right now, and none of my friends will
Speaker 3: like him, none of my family members like him, but
Speaker 3: for some reason, I still like him, and part of
Speaker 3: me just wants to leave him, but then a part
Speaker 3: of me doesn't want to. And I've even tried to
Speaker 3: leave him for like maybe about four or five days,
Speaker 3: and he showed up to my work and he was
Speaker 3: asking all these questions. I blocked him and went to
Speaker 3: talk to him, and he even showed up to when
Speaker 3: I went out with my friends on the weekend and
Speaker 3: he started like causing a scene. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just kind of need some advice, I guess.
Speaker 1: Okay, Lindsey, it says here that your parents are kicking
Speaker 1: you out because of this guy that you're seeing. And
Speaker 1: it says that this guy you told the call screener
Speaker 1: that this guy is a warrant out for his arrest.
Speaker 3: Yes, he had a warrant out for his arrest. He
Speaker 3: finally went to court and now he's on parole for
Speaker 3: like a while, so that kind of makes the situation work.
Speaker 3: But right now he has a good job, he has
Speaker 3: a house and all this stuff, and he says I
Speaker 3: don't have to pay for anything, both food, and he's
Speaker 3: been keeping that promise of it, and he can be
Speaker 3: really nice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, go ahead, Well, Lindsey, I mean, okay, let's
Speaker 1: let's start here. Uh, what what do you think is
Speaker 1: the reason why you are continuing to see this person?
Speaker 3: I honestly can't tell you. Like when we were when
Speaker 3: I was like single, for like four or five days,
Speaker 3: I was having some of my friends, part of me
Speaker 3: missed him and I'd cry a little bit but part
Speaker 3: of me felt like good and trigued at it that
Speaker 3: he would just keep calling me and calling me even
Speaker 3: when I was like block his numbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lindsay, listen, I think I concerned. Well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think if you anytime where you're talking about
Speaker 1: you are trying to break up with somebody and they
Speaker 1: are not respecting that that boundary, I mean that is
Speaker 1: you know, that is telling Yeah, has the situation escalated
Speaker 1: to a point where you feel as though you need
Speaker 1: to contact the police and get some form of a
Speaker 1: restraining order if he is shoving up to places you're
Speaker 1: going out in public and as you say, causing a.
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, my even my ex boyfriend that I
Speaker 3: haven't talked to in like three years, told me I
Speaker 3: need to get a restraining order. And he even contacted
Speaker 3: my parents saying that he was worried about me and
Speaker 3: all this because he texted me one day and the
Speaker 3: guy I was seeing anteing fall it and they started
Speaker 3: fighting over the phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then my ex boyfriend, like three years ago, I
Speaker 3: haven't been talking to him or nothing, he texted my
Speaker 3: dad saying like, I'm worried about her and all this stuff.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't. I just I don't know why
Speaker 3: I'm so like indecisive, Like I don't know, Like he's
Speaker 3: fun and I'm attracted to him, but like I think
Speaker 3: I know what the right answer is, I just can't
Speaker 3: seem to like followed through with it for some reason.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go a little deeper that you say, you
Speaker 1: you know what the answer is, but you can't follow
Speaker 1: through with it for some reason. What if you had
Speaker 1: to think about it, what would that reason be? Like?
Speaker 3: Why can't I follow through with that?
Speaker 1: Right? I mean, you're telling me that you you know
Speaker 1: what the correct course of ants, the correct course of
Speaker 1: action is, but you don't feel like you can follow
Speaker 1: through on it. Why why don't you feel like you
Speaker 1: can follow through on it?
Speaker 3: I think just because like we do have like a
Speaker 3: connection stuff, and it wasn't always like like this, you know,
Speaker 3: like the first year we were together it was, you know, great,
Speaker 3: and then kind of started declining through there, but we
Speaker 3: always said our good times. And he can be a
Speaker 3: really good guy. You know, he look me dinner and
Speaker 3: take me out and all that.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know, I don't know how much
Speaker 1: stuff I'm gonna tell you that I'm sure your friends
Speaker 1: and your family haven't already told you, but if this
Speaker 1: relationship started out one way and slowly descended into being
Speaker 1: another thing, you will not benefit from holding out.
Speaker 2: In the.
Speaker 1: Very very very uncertain hopes that it will return to
Speaker 1: what it was. And I think your time and your
Speaker 1: life will be better spent cutting your losses and finding
Speaker 1: love and pleasure and enjoyment and lifey cool stuff in
Speaker 1: the infinite other avenues that there are to find.
Speaker 3: It, Okay, I and part of me also feels bad.
Speaker 3: Is because like he's doing everything I asked them to
Speaker 3: do now and now my parents putting in the situation
Speaker 3: when he's actually like showing improvements, you know. But yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: I know you feel bad, but you know this guy,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know anything about him or his
Speaker 1: life or what he's got going on with himself, but
Speaker 1: it's it's his thing to deal with, and you've got
Speaker 1: your stuff to deal with. And I just really don't
Speaker 1: feel like it's beneficial for you to to hold out
Speaker 1: and put your own life on pause to wait for
Speaker 1: this thing to get better. Right, how do you, I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about what I'm telling you?
Speaker 3: I agree, I'm sorry not. I totally agree, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I just don't understand why it's so hard for me
Speaker 3: to like follow through with that, you know.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I don't know. I wish, I wish I
Speaker 1: knew the secret recipe for you to to pull that trigger.
Speaker 1: And again, I don't know how much I'm telling you
Speaker 1: that your friends and family haven't already, but you should
Speaker 1: really really take some time to consider the downsides of
Speaker 1: putting your life on hold for this guy, and and
Speaker 1: then consider the I mean, well, you're twenty one.
Speaker 5: Mm what do you do?
Speaker 1: Are you in school? Are you in working?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: I actually just started clinicals for physical therapy, So that's
Speaker 3: that right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, great?
Speaker 3: Great?
Speaker 1: Do you have a lot of dear friends? It seems
Speaker 1: like you have a lot of friends and family.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's another thing. I feel like he ruined
Speaker 3: my relationship with my friends too, Like you'll, like, like
Speaker 3: when you show up to the bar, he was like,
Speaker 3: I'm just cussing, and like, you know, I'm just being
Speaker 3: mean to my friends. Yeah, so they don't like to
Speaker 3: hang out with me when he's around, you know, which
Speaker 3: is a problem.
Speaker 5: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Lindsay, you've got uh you've got a you've
Speaker 1: got a good life man. You you have a career
Speaker 1: you're pursuing. You have friends that I'm sure would graciously
Speaker 1: accept your return into their lives. And I guess, like
Speaker 1: I don't have any secret sauce for you to achieve
Speaker 1: your Nike just do it moments. But I hope at
Speaker 1: the very least you ruminates on all of the good
Speaker 1: things you have waiting for you to pursue in your life,
Speaker 1: this career. You're talking about, your friends, that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: your family, all these things that you have to really
Speaker 1: take time to lean into and ruminate upon how that
Speaker 1: time will be wasted if you use it to hold
Speaker 1: out for this guy. And I hope after doing some
Speaker 1: thinking about that, it'll motivate you to have your Nike
Speaker 1: just do it moment where you really cut it off.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know how you're feeling
Speaker 1: about your own personal safety, but if you have to,
Speaker 1: if you feel as though it is getting to that point,
Speaker 1: I would not hesitate to get whoever involved that you
Speaker 1: need to get involved. And yeah, I mean that That's
Speaker 1: really all I have to say. Lindsay what do you
Speaker 1: how do you feel about all of that.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of like expecting, you know, to
Speaker 3: hear like you said, I'm hearing this from my mom,
Speaker 3: my friends and everyone around me. So that's part of
Speaker 3: me that's like I don't know, like I feel bad
Speaker 3: because I'm that's mean to them. I agree with them,
Speaker 3: But then when I'm with him, you know, I do
Speaker 3: like he's like my best friend, you know, we have
Speaker 3: good times. Yeah, this stuff like that, But I I agree.
Speaker 3: I think you're right, and I think I just need
Speaker 3: like to do it and then just see how I
Speaker 3: feel and like at least like a couple of weeks
Speaker 3: and I feel like I do, like you know, flying
Speaker 3: with everything you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, good. I hope that you do do what is
Speaker 1: best for you. Again, I I I wish I had
Speaker 1: the uh the secret recipe to get you to do it.
Speaker 1: But that is the thing is that you know your friends,
Speaker 1: your family as much as they love you, as much
Speaker 1: as they want the best for you. Unfortunately cannot make
Speaker 1: you do anything because you can't make other people do things.
Speaker 1: But I just really hope you make the right decision.
Speaker 3: Lindsey, thank you, kick and then dying to ask you
Speaker 3: about the and then listening to your podcast and the
Speaker 3: way to work every day. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go. No, thank you
Speaker 1: for answering, Thanks for calling Lindsay.
Speaker 3: Good night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tough thing. Tough thing again. You can never make
Speaker 1: anyone do anything, so I feel for her friends and family.
Speaker 1: It's hard when you to care. But this is something
Speaker 1: I've talked about on this fucking podcast a billion times.
Speaker 1: But it's hard when you care about a person and
Speaker 1: you feel like you know what's best for them and
Speaker 1: you're telling them and you can't. You can't fucking make
Speaker 1: anyone do anything. I and I I I can't. Uh,
Speaker 1: not me or Andy Lindsay's actual real life friends or
Speaker 1: family can can pull any triggers for her. But I
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I just to restate everything I said,
Speaker 1: I hope, uh. I mean, it's it's not like she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything else going on in my life
Speaker 1: and my boyfriend is my only thing and if I
Speaker 1: get rid of this, I have nothing left. Even if
Speaker 1: that was the case, I would be like nothing, nothing
Speaker 1: is better than something bad. But that's not the case.
Speaker 1: I mean she's got all this stuff in her life too,
Speaker 1: that that that she could be using the time that
Speaker 1: she's spending holding out for this guy to fucking lean
Speaker 1: into And I hope she lends into it. And I
Speaker 1: and I am and I am a gecko on the computer. Hello,
Speaker 1: how are you? I'm good? What's going on with you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So I had the thing that I was curious
Speaker 4: to get your feedback on. So I'm twenty seven now,
Speaker 4: and when I was fifteen, so a long time ago,
Speaker 4: I was diagnosed with cancer. I went through four years
Speaker 4: of chemo for it, and it's done, Like it's it's
Speaker 4: not even something that I think about now because like
Speaker 4: things are so normal now. But so last week or
Speaker 4: the week before was the anniversary of my diagnosis, and
Speaker 4: that's always a day for me to kind of look
Speaker 4: back at that time because it was such a big
Speaker 4: thing for me, Like, you know, a lot changed with that.
Speaker 4: But knowing myself that I'm a verbal processor, like to
Speaker 4: talk and I like to write, I like sometimes I'll
Speaker 4: just talk with my friends about it, like on that day.
Speaker 4: I pretty much don't talk about that very much out
Speaker 4: side of that. But I told someone about it recently
Speaker 4: who I thought was a pretty close friend, and basically
Speaker 4: the response like this is this has happened before, like
Speaker 4: in the past, you know, telling this and telling less
Speaker 4: and less people over time, but some people get really
Speaker 4: uncomfortable about it. So this person, though, like basically didn't
Speaker 4: acknowledge it. They were kind of they were like, okay,
Speaker 4: so you were in high school twelve years ago and
Speaker 4: like doing the numbers and about it and stuff, but
Speaker 4: didn't even mention the cancer thing once. So basically the
Speaker 4: question that I am asking now is like, when, if
Speaker 4: I'm going to share something like that with someone, is
Speaker 4: it on the end of like the recipient, Like is
Speaker 4: it their responsibility to be like, oh, I'm sorry to
Speaker 4: hear that or something, or is it my job to
Speaker 4: like tell it better? I guess it's kind of I
Speaker 4: don't know if that makes sense, but yeah, curious, so
Speaker 4: I would think about that.
Speaker 1: Tell me you have told this story about when you
Speaker 1: were fifteen to various people in your life, and you
Speaker 1: have been unsatisfied with their reactions.
Speaker 4: Uh, sometimes more than others. Like, well, I guess, I
Speaker 4: mean that's an interesting point. Like I've got some close
Speaker 4: friends that just respond really well and they're supportive and stuff.
Speaker 4: But if there's ever a time that I'm telling someone
Speaker 4: new about it, there's always the gamble of whether or
Speaker 4: not it's going to make things weird, because it has
Speaker 4: made things weird, and like I'm not I don't talk
Speaker 4: with this person now anymore after it.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's I mean, let's get really into this
Speaker 1: right now. When you say it makes things weird, when
Speaker 1: you are getting a reaction that you feel is not
Speaker 1: is a is a dissatisfactory reaction, explain to me why
Speaker 1: the reaction is dissatisfactory and why it makes you weird.
Speaker 4: Well, for one thing, I mean, in this case, it
Speaker 4: was the extreme of like not even acknowledging it. Like
Speaker 4: there's like if there's any uncomfort, like discomfort there, Like
Speaker 4: I know that, like a topic like that can be uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: I understand that. But like two, like I've had some
Speaker 4: people say, hey, like that's that's a lot. I don't
Speaker 4: even know what to say about that. But I guess
Speaker 4: the response that I've seen that's dissatisfactory is like very
Speaker 4: quickly wanting to move on to something else, not even
Speaker 4: that I'm trying to like talk someone's ear off about it.
Speaker 4: But shoot, it's hard to describe. But it's just it's
Speaker 4: it turns people off like it's it. It just can be
Speaker 4: off putting and it's visible. I don't know how else
Speaker 4: to describe that.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, okay, Now tell me what a what a
Speaker 1: satisfactory response to this looks like from from one of
Speaker 1: your your friends? Tell me what you want from them?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, I think the people that know me well enough
Speaker 4: know that that's not something that bugs me day to day.
Speaker 4: Like again, like I said, I don't even think about
Speaker 4: it that often. But it doesn't seem like they're taking
Speaker 4: the weight of that on themselves. They're just like whoa,
Speaker 4: that's amazing or that's crazy, or like that's horrible. Like
Speaker 4: any reaction to it, I guess is better than That's
Speaker 4: really hard. I'm man, I'm having a hard time describing this.
Speaker 1: I ask you another question, and I don't and I
Speaker 1: don't know what you have thought about this before, but
Speaker 1: I asked you this genuinely. What why do you Why
Speaker 1: does it matter to you how people respond to this?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, I guess it's at this point in time,
Speaker 4: the people that I'm sharing it with are people that
Speaker 4: I want to know about. A big, a pretty big
Speaker 4: part of my life, so like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: just that desire to be more fully known as a person,
Speaker 4: like getting I don't know, just in my background. Sorry, man,
Speaker 4: I feel like i'm what was the question again.
Speaker 1: I was asking you. It's okay, man, don't don't. Don't
Speaker 1: stretch yourself out about trying to find, you know, a
Speaker 1: perfect answer to any of these these questions. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to sure find out. I asked you why it's
Speaker 1: important to you that people respond a certain way to this?
Speaker 4: Oh hmm, that's an interesting question. I'm not quite sure
Speaker 4: if I answer that.
Speaker 1: Because here's the here's here's the thing is this is
Speaker 1: a heavy This is to me like a heavy focus
Speaker 1: on a thing that's outside of your control. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're looking at this as like some form
Speaker 1: of a I don't know if you're looking at this
Speaker 1: is some form of a litmus test, like you're almost
Speaker 1: testing people to see if they are, you know, whatever, supportive.
Speaker 1: But I think if you're going around having heavy expectations
Speaker 1: of how other people should react to this thing, you're
Speaker 1: tripping yourself up here.
Speaker 4: That's really interesting.
Speaker 1: I think you're tripping yourself up with this.
Speaker 4: That's super interesting. I guess even broader than that, Like
Speaker 4: I know that I'm pretty I like talking about more
Speaker 4: complex topics. I know, I'm kind of philosophically inclined, and
Speaker 4: I like just thinking and talking and doing art and
Speaker 4: talking about art and stuff like that. So I feel like,
Speaker 4: to me, this is something that has I mean, again,
Speaker 4: it's over what is that twelve years ago that this happened,
Speaker 4: So it's pretty.
Speaker 1: And so you can't you were just it's funny to
Speaker 1: be you were just doing well, it's funny to me
Speaker 1: that you was doing math because you were you were
Speaker 1: upset at the person who was who was doing Who's
Speaker 1: doing math?
Speaker 4: Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, I guess ILL have to say
Speaker 4: is that, like it is more normal for me and
Speaker 4: have the expectation on the people for hearing that afresh,
Speaker 4: Like it is not like a fresh story for me.
Speaker 4: So when I go back and tell people it is
Speaker 4: pretty like it's like a normal thing for me at
Speaker 4: this point because it was so long ago when I've
Speaker 4: like accepted it as such. So that's interesting about the expectations.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, dude, if so you're telling I
Speaker 1: mean you you've you've like let me if I can
Speaker 1: bring up a few things that you've brought up over
Speaker 1: the course of this conversation. You you've told us, you
Speaker 1: you you, you kind of brought this up like, hey,
Speaker 1: this was twelve years ago. This isn't even something I
Speaker 1: really think about that much. It's just a thing to
Speaker 1: share with people. This is what you do. Is that accurate?
Speaker 1: Is that the truth?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay? So when so when you tell it to people
Speaker 1: and then to them they're like, oh, twelve years ago
Speaker 1: you had cancer, okay, and then what's going on with
Speaker 1: the fucking Mets this year? You know, like why why
Speaker 1: is that? If they're taking it as much of a
Speaker 1: thing as you take it as, why is that an
Speaker 1: issue for you?
Speaker 4: Super interesting? Uh, you're blow on my mind now, that's uh,
Speaker 4: that's a really interesting point. It's kind of like I
Speaker 4: want them to understand the severity of it, but also
Speaker 4: that it's not a big deal, like it can't be
Speaker 4: both hanned. Yeah that's interesting, man.
Speaker 2: You you you want no.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, please, I want to hear what you what
Speaker 1: you felt, but I.
Speaker 4: Do have thing to even just hearing you repeating my
Speaker 4: questions back to me is kind of like, oh, my god, Like,
Speaker 4: that's just not a way I've been seeing it before.
Speaker 1: So okay, good, No, I'm glad you're thinking about this. Well,
Speaker 1: just dude, just in general, you know, forgetting about you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about a severe thing. Forgetting about that, we're
Speaker 1: talking about a big thing in your life. Just in general,
Speaker 1: having expectations of how other people are going to react
Speaker 1: to you or should react to you, and then getting
Speaker 1: disappointed that those expectations is just going to trip you
Speaker 1: the fuck up. So try not to have those expectations.
Speaker 1: You said, it happens a lot in other areas. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It doesn't matter what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: If you having these expectations of other people is going
Speaker 1: to respond to things, is is not going to do
Speaker 1: you a whole lot of good. Unless if you are
Speaker 1: unless if you're like navigating a relationship with someone and
Speaker 1: you are openly expressing to them what you would like
Speaker 1: from them. If you're doing it like that, I think
Speaker 1: it's a good thing. But if you're just like quietly
Speaker 1: hoping that somebody acts a certain way, you're not going
Speaker 1: to get anywhere. And if you're getting upset that they don't,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna lead yourself to more upset in this.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, man, Well how about that. I've been really
Speaker 4: helpful and illuminating.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad. Is there any aspect of any
Speaker 1: of this or anything that we are any fucking anything
Speaker 1: or something about the Mets that you want to say
Speaker 1: before we go?
Speaker 4: I don't know anything about the Mets, but I hope
Speaker 4: they play well this year.
Speaker 1: I hope they play well too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, thanks for talking, Lyle.
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling.
Speaker 4: Nick had a great night.
Speaker 1: That was that was interesting to me. Nick had a thing.
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here with Nick trying to understand his thing.
Speaker 1: The best that was a little bit is it was difficult.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm trying to do here. Nick had
Speaker 1: a thing. I'm trying to understand this thing. It was
Speaker 1: a little bit hard for me to understand, but I'm
Speaker 1: trying my best to understand it. And then as I
Speaker 1: go through to try to understand it, Nick is like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, I don't even understand this thing. And so
Speaker 1: now both of us are on the same side of
Speaker 1: the court trying to understand this thing. Then the thing
Speaker 1: unravels itself, and then Nick maybe goes, oh maybe this
Speaker 1: isn't a thing. Or maybe I haven't haven't looked at
Speaker 1: this thing, you know, closely enough. Maybe I haven't even
Speaker 1: under tried to understand this thing. That's kind of what
Speaker 1: I feel like happened there.
Speaker 5: And I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the Mets. And I appreciate
Speaker 1: Nick for Sharon. What's going on? What's up with you?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 5: So we're Kevin and Olivia? Uh and uh sorry? If
Speaker 5: you hear some dogs running in the background.
Speaker 1: Which one which one are you? Are you Kevin or Olivia?
Speaker 5: It depends on the day.
Speaker 1: I guess no, dot doesn't. There's which one are you?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: Kevin or Olivia?
Speaker 2: Kevin?
Speaker 5: Right now?
Speaker 1: You're Kevin right now. You don't have to you don't
Speaker 1: have we You can just tell me the answer to
Speaker 1: the question, are Kevin or Olivia?
Speaker 5: I'm Kevin?
Speaker 1: Okay? All right? That was it is not everything has
Speaker 1: to be like a crazy riff, you know, for sure?
Speaker 5: For sure?
Speaker 1: And then she's there's the other You're not what's your
Speaker 1: the other person's name?
Speaker 5: Olivia?
Speaker 1: Kevin? I'm sorry is mean to you just now, but
Speaker 1: I don't I don't regret it, because it was kind
Speaker 1: of fun, you know, I feel like I tried it.
Speaker 1: I feel like I try to be nice to people
Speaker 1: usually and then I'm like, all right, once I'm nice
Speaker 1: to enough callers, I feel like it earns me. I
Speaker 1: can be mean. You know, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: have an exact I don't have like an exact formula
Speaker 1: of like how many me being nice to call her
Speaker 1: as equals I can be mean to one, But I
Speaker 1: feel like for every five that I'm nice to, I
Speaker 1: can be I can be mean to one as a
Speaker 1: random number. That's not the system. But okay, Kevin. It
Speaker 1: says that you and Olivia are a couple.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 1: It says that you guys are sexually adventurous.
Speaker 5: Oh, she was actually telling me that I shouldn't said that,
Speaker 5: and just like the blunt and say we're swingers.
Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like sexually adventure I feel like both
Speaker 1: of them are fairly blunt.
Speaker 5: That's fair, okay, But everybody has a different definition. I
Speaker 5: think of an adventurous, but the swinger one kind of
Speaker 5: only means one thing.
Speaker 1: That is a good point. That is a good point,
Speaker 1: cheers man.
Speaker 5: Good to hear.
Speaker 1: So it says here.
Speaker 7: That you had a uh an experience the you that
Speaker 7: you both describe as interesting but weird with another couple,
Speaker 7: and you wanted to talk today about that.
Speaker 5: Yes, correct, there was a couple of couples. Actually, there's a.
Speaker 1: Couple of couples. Can I want to I feel like
Speaker 1: I've talked to you for three minutes. I should talk
Speaker 1: to Olivia now.
Speaker 5: Shoot, she says no. But yeah, I asked. She said no,
Speaker 5: she does not want to. No, I guess not. But
Speaker 5: we do want your advice.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, she didn't have to talk if she
Speaker 1: didn't want to. Okay, yes, tell me, tell me what's
Speaker 1: going on, keV.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no problem. Uh so, Uh one of the couples
Speaker 5: is actually I think the first couple that we met
Speaker 5: up with when we started doing this, and uh, they
Speaker 5: were back in town and they invited us to their
Speaker 5: friend's house for a for a you know, swinger party,
Speaker 5: and uh, you know it was a stranger's house, but
Speaker 5: we were glad to be invited. Uh. We brought you know, snacks,
Speaker 5: made sure that we weren't uh we weren't just like
Speaker 5: I don't know bo guardian is the right word, but
Speaker 5: you know, like we wanted to show up and be
Speaker 5: good guests, you know, don't show up and t handed
Speaker 5: type of stuff, and uh yeah, we were having a blast.
Speaker 5: We had some drinks together, some other stuff that I
Speaker 5: probably shouldn't go into. But uh then, uh, it turns
Speaker 5: out that there was supposed to be another couple there
Speaker 5: and this was it wounded up being just one guy,
Speaker 5: and so it was an odd number that night. So
Speaker 5: that's already where it starts to get weird, because uh yeah,
Speaker 5: it's like we've got I feel like everybody's got their
Speaker 5: own rules about this kind of stuff. And uh yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean we didn't mind it when it was just
Speaker 5: the drinking and the chatting, but then it gets to
Speaker 5: the bedroom and that's when it starts to get a
Speaker 5: little uncomfortable. But uh, I mean I think because we're
Speaker 5: so new, we were like not not sure what to
Speaker 5: say about it. Uh And I know that's definitely on
Speaker 5: us for not for not speaking up, you know.
Speaker 1: So, I mean there were five.
Speaker 5: There were seven total, seven totally.
Speaker 1: Seven oh seven. I mean, look, okay, I mean look what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by the time there's seven, it's like, is there is
Speaker 1: there we even going to notice that there's an odd number.
Speaker 6: We definitely noticed, We definitely noticed. He was like watching every.
Speaker 5: It kind of put us on edge, you know, like
Speaker 5: we we had to keep looking over our shoulder and
Speaker 5: make sure that made sure.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, Olivia, Yes,
Speaker 1: do you want to talk now?
Speaker 6: I just was saying that with seven people, it was
Speaker 6: definitely weird because he was like sitting in a chair
Speaker 6: like watching everybody, and it was weird, and we kept
Speaker 6: being afraid that he was going to get up and
Speaker 6: try to come join in.
Speaker 1: Well isn't that the I mean, you guys went to
Speaker 1: an orgy?
Speaker 5: I guess so. Yeah, but like I said, like a
Speaker 5: lot of everybody's got different rules and okay, it's certain, yeah,
Speaker 5: certain things weren't communicated.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: And also, by the way, well this guy was not
Speaker 5: supposed to but we we thought that he had a
Speaker 5: girl and she couldn't make it. We don't know if
Speaker 5: like they had like a falling out or something, but
Speaker 5: it seemed to us like he might have gotten dumped.
Speaker 5: And uh, yeah, he was invited for I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, they knew each other more than we knew them,
Speaker 5: so we couldn't, you know, say anything about who they
Speaker 5: were having over to their house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So Okay, so this guy was there, it
Speaker 1: made you uncomfortable? And then how did this lead to
Speaker 1: what would you describe as a I mean, did this
Speaker 1: how did this situation kind of progress?
Speaker 5: Okay, so it gets to get a little bit later.
Speaker 5: Everyone's having fun. This guy is sitting in his chair
Speaker 5: and like two of the girls are you know, playing
Speaker 5: with him. But we don't really like to do that
Speaker 5: with single people. That's kind of one of our rules.
Speaker 5: Got so, uh, that's fine, Like if they want to,
Speaker 5: if they want to, you know, hang out with him,
Speaker 5: that's fine, But it also kind of leaves it leaves
Speaker 5: an extra rod, if you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: there's there wasn't there wasn't enough women to go around
Speaker 5: for this many guys. Ah, if if you wanted to
Speaker 5: like be one on one, I guess, And like I said,
Speaker 5: just look like like the uh the fear of having
Speaker 5: not a fear, I guess, but like just having to
Speaker 5: look over our shoulders and make sure that nothing untoward
Speaker 5: was going on on our end, because like you know,
Speaker 5: you're you're not always going to be able to to
Speaker 5: look at who's in these situations. You're not always going
Speaker 5: to be able to see who's who's in your periphery.
Speaker 1: I guess sure.
Speaker 5: So we wanted to make sure that only the people
Speaker 5: that were consented to were touching this, you know, right.
Speaker 1: So well, okay, so I mean it says here, uh
Speaker 1: that the couple that you went swinging with, it says
Speaker 1: you've you seem like they were upset at you guys
Speaker 1: for quote talking about bisexuality.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, that that's kind of is that the issue there?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 5: What yeah, no problem? Uh so, uh that part is
Speaker 5: more related to me. Uh and I think what kind
Speaker 5: of There were few things that kind of brought that up.
Speaker 5: One of them being this odd number and not knowing
Speaker 5: what to do with that extra guy, and then another
Speaker 5: one being the drinking and the other stuff that we
Speaker 5: were talking about. Let's just say that we were feeling ecstatic.
Speaker 5: Uh and uh, I get a little like touchy and grabby,
Speaker 5: and I hadn't done it in a while. So I
Speaker 5: was like, well, let me vocalize this and see how
Speaker 5: see how everybody's feeling about this, because like, there's an
Speaker 5: there's an extra dude here, what do we do about that?
Speaker 5: So I asked, hey, how does how does everybody feel
Speaker 5: about like it?
Speaker 2: Wasn't odd.
Speaker 5: I mean, it wouldn't be obvious to everyone, but I mean,
Speaker 5: I think the majority of people are okay with like
Speaker 5: girl and girl stuff. But I felt like I had
Speaker 5: to ask, so, how do you guys feel about like
Speaker 5: guy on guy stuff? And I think, you know, in
Speaker 5: the back of my mind, I was thinking, because there's
Speaker 5: an extra guy, like, somebody's got to you know, make
Speaker 5: sure that that you know every like everybody's involved.
Speaker 1: I guess so you you were about to take one
Speaker 1: for the team and hook up with this extra guy,
Speaker 1: you could.
Speaker 5: Call it that, sure, Yeah, I mean mainly so that,
Speaker 5: like so that the three guys that were in a
Speaker 5: couple could could have their own their own their own girls,
Speaker 5: their own lady partner, not not their own, but you know,
Speaker 5: so that the three guys that were in a couple
Speaker 5: could have a swapping situation and not have to worry
Speaker 5: about this extra guy.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm having trouble keeping track of all these numbers,
Speaker 1: but continue.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought I thought that that's kind of why
Speaker 5: we called because it was it was it kind of
Speaker 5: frazzled us, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So, so so you vocalized to the group, hey,
Speaker 1: is it. Okay, if I hook up with this one
Speaker 1: guy that's sitting here, yes, yeah, okay, what is what happens?
Speaker 5: Not specifically him, just like just a guy in general,
Speaker 5: just so that like so that everybody would have like
Speaker 5: somebody to be with.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you're you're like, hey, do the other dudes
Speaker 1: here also like dudes and one hook up with me?
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, yes, yes, okay. And then what happened?
Speaker 5: Uh, Like I said, I think the kind of the
Speaker 5: mood started to turn a little bit, so maybe not sour,
Speaker 5: but definitely tangy. And we went out to get like
Speaker 5: a like a I don't know, something to drink or something.
Speaker 5: We stepped out of the room and the guy that
Speaker 5: invited us, the guy that invited us there, uh kind
Speaker 5: of uh took us, took us aside to this other
Speaker 5: room and like expressed to us, hey, you know, like
Speaker 5: I'm not going to judge you for something like this,
Speaker 5: but there are people in that room that get turned
Speaker 5: off and don't feel comfortable with talking about stuff like that.
Speaker 5: And you know, like we were all inegraated. So I
Speaker 5: was like yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, okay, but you know,
Speaker 5: after a couple of days of thinking about it. I'm like,
Speaker 5: why didn't this come up when I asked the question,
Speaker 5: why did we have to go into like this separate
Speaker 5: room and be talked to about this like we're children
Speaker 5: rather than just everybody like talk about it as adults.
Speaker 5: And yeah, they haven't gotten black.
Speaker 1: What did what Olivia is just say, I want to
Speaker 1: talk to Olivia.
Speaker 6: Oh just a that night. They haven't like contacted us
Speaker 6: really and we've like tried to talk to them, and
Speaker 6: they've been like very like cold and short with us,
Speaker 6: and we're like, what's wrong?
Speaker 2: I guess, And so I.
Speaker 5: Guess the main I look, I mean look it.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, tell me what the main the main question is, I.
Speaker 5: Suppose, Yeah, like basically, how do we breach these topics
Speaker 5: with people that you know, we hope to still consider friends.
Speaker 5: But like if if they've got like not very good
Speaker 5: reasons for uh, I guess, you know, separating us from
Speaker 5: the group, then we probably won't want to be friends
Speaker 5: with them. But we want to know how to start
Speaker 5: this conversation.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I can, I mean, I have all right,
Speaker 1: I think I understood everything you just told me, but
Speaker 1: I I am.
Speaker 5: If you want to reiterate, go ahead and.
Speaker 1: Then where I am eighty percent charge just understood everything
Speaker 1: you just said to me.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's a passing threate.
Speaker 1: You asked me. You you said, Okay, how do we iterate?
Speaker 1: I mean you you? You did? You said to the group, hey,
Speaker 1: are you guys cool with guys hooking up with guys?
Speaker 1: And you did it? You said it. You you asked,
Speaker 1: just now, how do I articulate myself to the group? You?
Speaker 1: You did? You articulated yourself to the group in a
Speaker 1: way that sounds to me very clear, very vocal, and
Speaker 1: so great.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: The group reacted in a way that is unfavorable for
Speaker 1: whatever reason that I think is almost not even worth
Speaker 1: speculating upon. And they reacted however they reacted. It's whatever.
Speaker 1: Different things make different people uncomfortable when they're in a
Speaker 1: situation like that. Okay, and you want to be and
Speaker 1: your thing is that you still want to be friends
Speaker 1: with these folks.
Speaker 5: Yes, uh, but obviously not if it's like a like
Speaker 5: a I mean, the that's sort a big word out there,
Speaker 5: Like if they're bigoted about it, then we definitely don't
Speaker 5: want to see them again. But if it was just
Speaker 5: like an uncomfortable thing, and like maybe they didn't know
Speaker 5: how to vocalize it. That's totally understandable. But we want
Speaker 5: to be able to start this conversation that we're having.
Speaker 1: With you, okay, with them with do.
Speaker 5: You do you?
Speaker 1: Okay? Okay, all right, all right, okay, I think I'm
Speaker 1: starting to understand this more now you are interpreted, Okay,
Speaker 1: you are interpreting their reaction to you asking the group
Speaker 1: if guys in the group can hook up with other
Speaker 1: guys as a homophobic reaction.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 5: That's the that's the problem is that we're we're running
Speaker 5: all the scenarios through our head and we just don't
Speaker 5: know which one, which one it could be, But we
Speaker 5: want to find out, So we want to ask these people,
Speaker 5: but we don't know how to bring it up.
Speaker 1: What exactly do you want to ask them?
Speaker 5: So like basically like are are people upset with us?
Speaker 5: Or like did we make did we make them uncomfortable?
Speaker 5: Like why didn't they want to Like it's several questions.
Speaker 5: Why didn't they like want to keep talking? Uh uh?
Speaker 5: Why didn't they talk to us instead of sending somebody
Speaker 5: else to send the message? And ultimately like if they
Speaker 5: still want to be friends.
Speaker 1: Okay, Kevin, uh And Olivia, Okay, listen, I think I think, uh,
Speaker 1: from from where I sit this thing and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know you guys, but I guess from where
Speaker 1: I sit right now, this thing that was supposed to
Speaker 1: be a fun adventure for you guys has turned into
Speaker 1: something weird and anxious and stressful. Yes, And so I
Speaker 1: would just if if you have had a bad experience
Speaker 1: for whatever reason you know, I mean, it sounds like
Speaker 1: you don't have enough information to to to label it correctly,
Speaker 1: just tell these people, just Kevin, if I were you,
Speaker 1: I would just tell these people you just want to
Speaker 1: be friends with them, and then and then if you
Speaker 1: and your partner desire to swing again, go find another
Speaker 1: group to swing with. I I believe it as simple
Speaker 1: as that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: Olivia, Olivia, what did you want to say?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: I like your answer. I think that's a good answer.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, good.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: I hope you guys have a good are you guys?
Speaker 1: Seem like you're gonna have fun with your lives. I
Speaker 1: hope you keep doing that. Of course, thank you? Is
Speaker 1: is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people the computer before we go.
Speaker 5: You guys need to honestly, you need to share all
Speaker 5: those links that you see in the corner. You need
Speaker 5: to share those with everybody that you know and pump
Speaker 5: up the numbers on this stream. Oh yeah, okay, send
Speaker 5: people to therapy, get go, send people to Lyle Forever,
Speaker 5: send them to these guys, to this guy's links, because
Speaker 5: I want to see those numbers get bigger.
Speaker 1: You guys, don't put me on while you're having the orgies,
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 6: Yet?
Speaker 5: We will? Now?
Speaker 1: Okay? Cool? Because I feel like if you're if you're
Speaker 1: talking about sharing new people, yeah, that would get that,
Speaker 1: that would bring up the numbers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you guys soon, right on.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Lyle, Love you.
Speaker 1: Okay. I feel like I blacked out for that entire call,
Speaker 1: but I that's why I said I understood about eighty
Speaker 1: five percent of it. Swinging sounds fun. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like that that could be interesting. I've never
Speaker 1: been to an orgy before, but I would. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I you'd have to get me there first.
Speaker 1: You never know how you're gonna you never know how
Speaker 1: you're gonna react in any situation. Really, you can hypothesize,
Speaker 1: but you never really know until you're there. I would
Speaker 1: stand like if I I would observe an orgy, for sure,
Speaker 1: I would observe one and be like, that's an orgy.
Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't know if I would take
Speaker 1: place in one. Just yet, I don't. I know. I
Speaker 1: genuinely don't know. I wouldn't know if I'm there, but
Speaker 1: so I don't. I don't know if I would, how
Speaker 1: I would stumble upon one. I don't think I would
Speaker 1: go actively seek one ounce, but I don't know. I
Speaker 1: travel a lot, I go around places. The chances of
Speaker 1: me stumbling upon one is not out of the question.
Speaker 1: So who knows. Maybe one day I'll find out. But
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing the suit. Maybe i'll wear the suit.
Speaker 1: I don't know. All questions that maybe or maybe not
Speaker 1: one day be answered goes on the line, making your
Speaker 1: phone calls.
Speaker 2: Every night, the.
Speaker 1: Beacon goes to his hide. He's teaching you cloud in
Speaker 1: the men of your life. Money's not ready an expert