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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff a

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Speaker 1: podcast that comes out every week, which makes it a

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Speaker 1: weekly podcast if you were to describe it with an adjective,

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Speaker 1: which I now have because it's a weekly podcast. The

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Speaker 1: person you're hearing who isn't me just now, is Courtney Cossack.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Courtney, Hello, Hi, thanks for having me on this

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Speaker 2: cool podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I aspire to have it be a cool podcast.

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Speaker 1: The thing I'm certain about is that it's a weekly podcast.

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Speaker 1: Courtney is a host of Private Parts Unknown, which is

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Speaker 1: a sex podcast, and is a writer podcaster that's probably

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Speaker 1: included in being the host of a podcast, and is

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Speaker 1: a dog mom, and that is the most important descriptor

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Speaker 1: I think, so. Jeez.

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Speaker 2: Also, my friend, it's true.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I get really excited when people that I know

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Speaker 3: are on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: So he has very good taste in podcast guests, and

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Speaker 1: at this point I'm sometimes just like, yeah, you should

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Speaker 1: pick my podcast guests are very good at it. It's

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Speaker 1: almost like you professionally create.

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Speaker 2: Produces shell yeah weird.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but do you tell the audience your dog's

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Speaker 1: name or do you keep that secret to keep parasocial

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Speaker 1: relationships at a minimum.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, Georgia is my dog's name, and I'm totally

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Speaker 2: out about it, so okay, I can talk about it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: George's thirteen and just the best dog ever.

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Speaker 1: I am very excited about this, you know. It's it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I went to go visit some of my friends that

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Speaker 1: used to live with and now I have a dog,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't have a dog when I lived with them,

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Speaker 1: and they all had dogs, and they were like, now

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Speaker 1: you get it, and I'm like, you're right, I do

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Speaker 1: get it now. I didn't like hate dogs, but I like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the dogs over there. I'm over here. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I'll pet it.

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Speaker 4: You know, when it's yours. It's a little different. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 4: and now I like all dogs more.

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Speaker 1: I used to like say that I wasn't a I

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Speaker 1: was like, look, I think about dog the way I

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Speaker 1: think about people. I'm not a people person, but I

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Speaker 1: hope that they all do well in life. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Were you a cat person?

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Speaker 1: No? No, I was a just nothing. There wasn't like

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Speaker 1: a group of things that I inherently like, like I

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Speaker 1: respect them all, but I like it was like individual cats,

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Speaker 1: individual dogs, individual people. That was like my thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: And now I'm like all dogs are perfect angels.

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Speaker 2: I send my partner an embarrassing amount of dog memes. Oh, ell,

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Speaker 2: just what we do?

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Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, we're sadly not here to talk about dogs today. Oh,

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Speaker 1: We're here to finish doing the thing where I introduce everyone,

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Speaker 1: including Sophie. Hi, Sophie sub Sophie's our producer. You probably

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Speaker 1: caught onto that when I said our producer, Sophie and

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Speaker 1: our audio engineers Ian everyone including the listener, and I

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Speaker 1: was to say, Hi Ian Hi ian Hian. Our music

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Speaker 1: was produced for by unwoman. And Okay, so I read

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Speaker 1: history books all day for work, which is the best

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Speaker 1: job that I've ever imagined having. But there's a few

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Speaker 1: strands that are like woven deeper and buried deeper than

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Speaker 1: most other strands, things that are omnipresent that people avoid

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Speaker 1: talking about. One example of this that comes up all

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Speaker 1: the time is like queerness. Right, A lot of people

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Speaker 1: because like everyone had different conceptions of queerness, but there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the best part of history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, right, the history of scissors. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean anything else. It's about the seamstresses. Oh there's seamstresses

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Speaker 1: in this episode. And my suspicions about who's lesbians. There's

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Speaker 1: one thing that's even more buried still that is also

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Speaker 1: conceived of very differently at different times, and that's sex work.

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Speaker 1: It gets called the world's oldest per fession, but it's

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Speaker 1: also the thing that people are like the shyest to

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Speaker 1: It's literally one of my favorite topics. So oh good.

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Speaker 1: If if you were too shy to talk about it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's the topic this time specifically, we can't.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to do an episode on sex. Well,

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Speaker 1: that was too broad of a topic. Sex work is

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Speaker 2: I did a brothel tour in Deadwood.

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Speaker 1: Oh shit, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: the people I'm going to talk about worked in Deadwood.

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Speaker 1: I didn't write down the names of towns very much.

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Speaker 1: I hope. So I start most episodes with a quick

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Speaker 1: that today because sex work, once again, like queerness, expresses

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Speaker 1: You could wait three years and the conception of sex

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Speaker 1: say up top, this will be my little spiel about

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Speaker 1: sex workers rights at the top, just so everyone knows

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Speaker 1: where I'm coming from about this. I fully support sex

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Speaker 1: workers and their struggle to be treated like people. Now

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Speaker 1: sex workers believe that sex work should be decriminalized and destigmatized.

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Speaker 1: for which is the Nordic model in which sex workers

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Speaker 2: Can I interject one modern exciting thing?

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Speaker 1: Please?

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Speaker 2: Do do you know about the Stargarden strippers who unionized

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Speaker 2: More so North Hollywood like Greater La or actually La Proper,

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Speaker 2: there is the Stargarden Dive Bar and for like I

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Speaker 2: the guy from Rage, It's the machine Tom Morello, Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: and like people like that would come and anyway, they

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Speaker 2: won the frickin' battle. They're the second after the Lusty

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Speaker 2: And I've been covering them so very cool modern Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like one of the things that keeps coming up

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Speaker 1: to unionize and then yeah, there's people who've succeeded, and

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Speaker 1: it's just like it's like, it's really cool. I don't

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Speaker 2: And it really pushes like the feminist agenda in general.

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Speaker 2: I mean just like some of the sex positive things

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Speaker 2: to sex workers. So anyway, yeah, yeah, totalious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's hard to imagine the US having any

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Speaker 1: not criminalized, but is heavily stigmatized. Well, full full service

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Speaker 1: only place in the United States where full service sex

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Speaker 1: and then you even run into the problems of legalization

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Speaker 1: a constitutional amendment decriminalizing sex work. And I'm very confused

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Speaker 1: about this. These moral values, everything that affects sex workers

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Speaker 1: affects everyone, especially women more broadly, Like women acting in

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Speaker 2: And some of them were like theaters, yes, where they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And there was like there's like a kind

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Speaker 1: places and places that are like more purely brothels with

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: So so for the most part, you go out west,

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Speaker 1: the first people out west were men. Well, the first

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Speaker 1: west were men. And where there are lots of men

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Speaker 1: and not many women, sex work flourishes there were literally

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, like and a lot of syphilis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally yeah, And people are always like, oh, we're good.

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Speaker 1: Ah god, people are always like, oh the sex workers

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Speaker 1: spread disease, Like where do you think they fucking got

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Speaker 1: And uh, there's like a two day celebration in Murray

435
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: every year for molly Be Damn.

436
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a common thing with the nursing

437
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: Like I think that was part of that tour that

438
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 2: I heard in Deadwood was they did some stuff like that.

439
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: And sex workers are always amazing at brandings, so that

440
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: molly Be damn it might have been her own invention.

441
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, And like you got excommunicated, like hell yeah,

442
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: Molly Be Damn, Like that's medalist.

443
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: Fuck I just quit. Fuck that church.

444
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: But you know what else is medalist? Fuck if Sophie,

445
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: are all of our podcast ads for anti fascist metal

446
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: bands this time?

447
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if somebody happens to get anything different that

448
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: that was, that's a mistake.

449
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and possibly actually just a subversive like maybe Reagan

450
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: Gold is actually just the name of a metal band.

451
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 5: Honestly, I fuck with it, I know.

452
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: So here's some advertisers for metal bands exclusively, and we're

453
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: back next up. Okay, have you heard of Madam Mustache?

454
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, but I love it.

455
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's fucking cool. They're also cool. That's what

456
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: I do a podcast, all right. Madam Mustache was the

457
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: most famous woman gambler in the West. And there's like

458
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: a lot of things that I keep running across whenever

459
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: I do research in history, where like there's people who

460
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: are really famous at the time who are just completely

461
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: forgotten because the way that fame exists in a moment

462
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: and the way that fame lingers or just seem to

463
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: be like unrelated, you know. But Madam Mustache was up

464
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: there with like Billy the Kid and Calamity Jane and

465
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: all those fucking people right actually knew Calamity Jane supposedly,

466
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: but also I kind of think that maybe people just

467
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: are like and then they all hung out. It was

468
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: clearly Madam Mustache and Calamity Jane and Billy the Kid

469
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: and whoever other famous Western people who Margaret can't remember

470
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: right now, just hanging out, you know.

471
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: Calamity Jane, I think did sex work for a little tile.

472
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally, yeah, Yeah, she was a camp follower

473
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: for the military. And Yeah, it's a whole fucking fascinating

474
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: thing about especially like people who are like kind of

475
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: trans masculine, or people who are like cross dressing as

476
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: men or like acting fairly butcher or whatever. Like. Still,

477
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: this is completely not in my script. This is just

478
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: like something that I'm really curious to learn more about

479
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: at a later point in my life.

480
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's super fascinating.

481
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Madam Mustache, she probably grows up in New Orleans,

482
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: but her whole thing is like, I am a French

483
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: woman and she talks with a French accent. She probably

484
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: is from a French creole family, so it's like an

485
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: affectation but not you know, And she makes a bunch

486
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: of money playing this new game called Vanti. On twenty

487
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: one the game that later becomes blackjack, right, and she

488
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: makes a bunch of money at it one because she's

489
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: really good at it. Two blackjack Actually like she's the

490
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: dealer and blackjack is a set up where the dealer

491
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: makes more money than the person playing it most of

492
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: the time. Right.

493
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like a the house always wins.

494
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the house always eventually comes ahead. Otherwise

495
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have casinos. Right. I used to know this stuff.

496
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: But it's like you're able, Like if you play absolutely

497
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: perfectly without card counting, you can win like forty eight

498
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: percent of the time or something like that, and if

499
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: you card count which is legal, you can win like

500
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: fifty two percent of the time or something. Anyway, I

501
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: totally didn't have a different period of my life where

502
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out how to make money.

503
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: It's legal, I swear to God.

504
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, but check it out.

505
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: One day.

506
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this fucking thing on card counting, even

507
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: though it's not actually like cool in the like political sense.

508
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: What's interesting because card counting is legal, but you get

509
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: all of the like adrenaline of crime and some of

510
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: the risk because there absolutely will beat you up if

511
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: they catch you, right, But it's not illegal, so they're

512
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: not supposed to beat you up, right, But like organized

513
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: crime kind of runs them and you can get like

514
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: blacklisted and all this stuff. But like, if you ever

515
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: want the thrill of crime without committing a crime, you'll

516
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: still Also one of the reasons that it's legal is that, like,

517
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: no one card counts perfectly. I mean some people do.

518
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: Overall people don't cardcount perfectly, and so like the house

519
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: usually still just comes ahead, right because people are like, hey,

520
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to get one over on it. This is

521
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: completely not the point. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So she's doing

522
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: really well because she is like one of the people

523
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: who introduces this game to the United States. Oh, everyone

524
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: plays a game called Farrow that I didn't look into,

525
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: which I kind of wish I had before I started

526
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: reading this script. She's also an honest dealer, uh, and

527
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: so she's not a card sharp she's not cheating and

528
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: not just card counting. That's not technically cheating, but I'm

529
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: coming on.

530
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

531
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. She also had one distinguishing characteristic visually. I'm wondering

532
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: if you can guess what it is.

533
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: A mustachio.

534
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Yes, she had a mustache. She obviously took some pride

535
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: in her mustache. When she was like younger, it was

536
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: like a pencil thin little mustache, you know, and then

537
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: by the end of her life she's just like, I

538
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: got a fucking mustache, Like what do you fucking want it?

539
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: You know, people grow them, get over it, And she

540
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: made a big us out of being a proper French lady.

541
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: She was probably born in New Orleans. For a while,

542
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: supposedly she traveled around with Calamity Jane. I think that

543
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: there's a chance they were dating, but that's just like

544
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: my over active seems stress brain. Madame Mustache wasn't necessarily

545
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: doing sex work at the beginning, and it's actually possible

546
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: she didn't do sex work as possible she was just

547
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: a madam, but I wouldn't bet on it. But even

548
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: people who are part of sex work, like madams all

549
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: the time, are often like still people write biographies and

550
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: don't want to like say like this person did full

551
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: service sex work, like people just like don't want to

552
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: touch it. This is like not the first person on

553
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: the show who I've covered, I don't remember her name.

554
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: I covered a trans woman madam from California, who did

555
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: all this amazing stuff. And it just is like she

556
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: worked really hard as a domestic and then bought three

557
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: buildings and turned them into brothels, and you're like, the

558
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: fuck she did? She fucked people for money. It's fine,

559
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: Her job was facility the fucking for money anyway. Whatever.

560
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just randomly got this idea. She didn't know

561
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: anything about it totally.

562
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: She didn't know the business at all. So Madam Mustache

563
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: is primarily a gambler at this point. She's opening up

564
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: casinos here and there with various business partners, and they're

565
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: like fancy establishments. They're often like the fanciest building in town.

566
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: They'll have gas chandeliers, cussing as discouraged. But other times

567
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: she just wandered from town to town, following the railroad

568
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: camps as they made their way out west, dealing for

569
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: the workers with the like novelty of this honest woman gambler. Right,

570
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: that's like two adjectives that don't usually go with gambler,

571
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: And most versions of the story say she almost never

572
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: dated or recreationally fucked dudes. Sometimes, when she got all

573
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 1: of a man's money at a table, she would make

574
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: him drink a glass of milk as a like weird

575
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: further embarrassment, Like I think it's like, awe, you little kid,

576
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: you little baby, do you need your glass of milk?

577
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: But there's like an account of this guy who was

578
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: like really excited to get a chance to try and

579
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, play with meta mustache, and he loses like

580
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: two hundred bucks and then he like tries to get

581
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: up and the bouncers are like, you're not getting up

582
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: to you finish your milk.

583
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: I love it. I'm hearing like Bill Burr in my head,

584
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: just the way that he Oh, do you want your milk?

585
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 5: Yeah?

586
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so she made a ton of money and

587
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: in eighteen sixties she used that fortune to open brothels,

588
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: which were fancy parlors, often the finest building in town,

589
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: with red lanterns hung out front. There's a couple different,

590
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: Like I wrote it into a different script, which I

591
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: don't even remember which script it was. I talked about

592
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: where the red light district may or may not come from.

593
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: There's a couple different, vaguely possibly apocryphal origins for that.

594
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: But out west at this point, a red lantern out

595
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: front was this is a brothel, and this is where

596
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: she's cool as shit is when she's a madam. She

597
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: creates a pension plan for her girls. She doesn't take

598
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: any of their money. She makes all of her money

599
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: from the gambling and the take of the bar. Right,

600
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: So the women are working, the workers are working for themselves, and.

601
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: She she's honest.

602
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, she creates a pension plan and then forces them

603
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: to retire after twenty four months lest the work harden

604
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: their heart or as she put it, quote, no gold

605
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: nugget in the world is worth damage to the heart.

606
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: Workers had their pick of customers, not the other way around,

607
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: which actually I think was the norm in brothels out west,

608
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: but I'm not certain. But there's this kind of thing

609
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: where there's two women to every hundred men, where like

610
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: you kind of get to be picky.

611
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they don't have money, you're like, I'm gonna.

612
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: Hop on the Yeah, but it intrigues me, yeah, totally,

613
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: or the one that least offends me, you know. And

614
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: they were all completely unashamed, much to the chagrin of

615
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: like the proper the people trying to like make the

616
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: place respectable. Right. Every now and then she would go

617
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: and rent like the fanciest carriage and then her and

618
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: her employees would parade around town on the like fanciest

619
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: carriage to show off and to advertise. But eventually she

620
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: fells on hard times. There's a couple of different versions

621
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: about what happened, and I think it's a combo move,

622
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: is my guess. The reformers came and they run her

623
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: out of work. Sex work goes underground and only crooks

624
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: are able to make money off of brothels at a

625
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: certain point. Right, That's one version of how she lost

626
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: her fortune. The other is a man, a cute boy,

627
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: A cute boy arrived, mother fucker Jack McKnight, which is

628
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: the name of a bad person. I'm sorry, if you're

629
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: listening and your name is Jack McKnight, you should go

630
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: by John overall. I am pro Jack as a better name.

631
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: But if your last name is mckknight, I don't know.

632
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: It's giving villain.

633
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she retired with him and spent all of

634
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: her money on this like ranch. Right, So he swindled

635
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: her and took all of her money, But she decided

636
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: to apply the scientific method to the hypothesis. And the

637
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: hypothesis is that a double barreled shotgun makes someone twice

638
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: as dead as a regular barrel shock, and she was

639
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: never charged for his murder.

640
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: Oh amazing. But didn't we think she was maybe a lesbian? Yeah?

641
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think that that shit's fluid.

642
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: I am not certain. I am like there's versions where

643
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: she never fucked anyone. There's like kind of some like

644
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: weird maybe she was a lesbian, although then like other

645
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: people like say, Calamity Jane was a lesbian and other

646
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: people are like, no, absolutely not, since she wants married

647
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: man and had kids, and like, well, I have news

648
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: for you about identity labels and they are non legitates. Yeah, totally.

649
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

650
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe this is the only time

651
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: she fell in love or something. I'm not actually sure.

652
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: She also carried a derringer under her skirts, so the like,

653
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it. I don't think this comes

654
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: from her. I think this is just like literally what

655
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: women would do is carry a loaded pistol in your stockings.

656
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: You know. At one point, there's a story of two

657
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: men trying to rob her, so she just kills one

658
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: of them and the other one runs away. So she's

659
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: down and out. She's lost all of her money. I

660
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: don't think she successfully got it back over from the

661
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: corpse of the or she lost it all to changing times.

662
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. In Bodie, California, which is now a

663
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: ghost town, you can go visit. It's really pretty. Oh,

664
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: it's immediately the east of Yosemite. If you're driving through Yosemite,

665
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: there's Mono Lake and body she's living. There's a mining

666
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: town and she's like, she borrows three hundred dollars from

667
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: her friend and bets it all because she's trying to

668
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 1: reclaim her fortune. The game was crooked. She lost, and

669
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: at the age of forty five, she wandered off into

670
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: the night and drank probably wine laced with morphine on

671
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: pandas like to kill herself. Yeah, after losing all her

672
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: friend's money and seeing everything she'd built, you.

673
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: Know, fall away, she needed her own pension.

674
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: I know, a good point. Who's taking care of anyway,

675
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: Madam Mustache?

676
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: I know.

677
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: Well, now I'm sad.

678
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, no, no, I mean I just described the

679
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 4: suicide of our protagonists, so some of sadness is in order.

680
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: But a newspaperman reported about her funeral at the time

681
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: quote she had the reputation of being honest in her

682
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: dealings and always paying her debts. Upon this, she prided herself,

683
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: and woe unto anyone who claims she did not play fair.

684
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: It is said that of the hundreds of funerals held

685
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: in the mining camp, that of Madame Mustache was the largest.

686
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: The gamblers of the place buried her with all honors,

687
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: and carriages were brought from Carson City, Nevada, a distance

688
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: of one hundred and twenty miles, especially to be used

689
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: in the funeral. Cortege cortege. I've never heard that word

690
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: before in my life, and I didn't bother looking it up.

691
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: I assume it means procession. I don't know what if

692
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: it mean something completely different.

693
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: It's really it's like sad and kind of ironic that

694
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: she was so honest and then got you know, I know,

695
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: like the last game was someone.

696
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: Cheating her, I know. And the fact that she always

697
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: paid her debts was probably why she was like, I

698
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: can't do that, like I can't pay it back, you know,

699
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: And she left a note, but I didn't. It wasn't

700
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: transcribed in any of the things that I saw. But

701
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: you know what probably doesn't include morphine o metal bands.

702
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: Morphine is a nineties all rock band and not a

703
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: metal band, so we don't advertise morphine. We only advertise See.

704
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: The problem is, I like, I'm in a black metal

705
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: band and I still can't, off the top of my

706
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: head name enough black metal bands that aren't like secretly

707
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: nazis that I'm like, I can't safely just pretend to

708
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: be advertising a specific band A wend In. This this

709
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: show is brought to you via Wendin. I once did

710
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: a split with a band called a Wendin and they're

711
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: real good. They write songs about labor organizing. Actually, if

712
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: you want twenty minute black metal songs about the first

713
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: strikes in the United States, listen to Sam's later blighting

714
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: candles by wend that's my plug. They're great. Here's some

715
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: other ads for metal bands.

716
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the band Minnesota metal band

717
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: Mega Death. Okay, one of the guys from Megadeth was

718
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 2: from my hometown. Oh I started a coffee shop, all right.

719
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: It's also brought to you by Megadeth, and was I

720
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: one of the ones that Beavis and butt Head where

721
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: the shirts of I know is ac DC. Megadeth band

722
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: is Bronze by a CDC and Megadeth.

723
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 5: Was it good coffee?

724
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: I don't drink coffee. Wait, really, my boyfriend No, I

725
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: drink his diet mountain dewshit. I like chemicals.

726
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: And we're back. So now we're gonna talk about Klondike Kate,

727
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: who actually might not have been a sex worker but

728
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: was in the saloon dancing world and is interesting. So

729
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about her. The line between entertainer

730
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: and sex worker has always been blurry. May it forever

731
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: be so? Because fuck rigid categorization, and I don't know,

732
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: the more we can refuse to let sex workers be

733
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: isolated by society, the better without doing stolen valor. Because

734
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: also it's like cool to anyway whatever, it's like more

735
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: than I.

736
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: Want to know.

737
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: It's dicey because I have a I have an OnlyFans,

738
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: and I feel the same way. I'm like, in some

739
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: ways trying to normalize it. But I'm not trying to

740
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: claim this thing that's like not mine, you know, maybe

741
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: or whatever. You know, it's complicated.

742
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: No, that makes that makes absolute sense. Yeah, Like you know,

743
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: in some ways, folks who are in like non criminalized

744
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: aspects of sex work have like an easier time and

745
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: it's like less stigmatized, right, but then like, yeah, sex

746
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: workers have a lot to say, you know, and so

747
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, well, saloon dancers. Saloon dancers are

748
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: the entertainment in saloons they danced. The name is fairly literal,

749
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: unlike their other name, parrots, which is not as literal. No,

750
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: I assume it's like a painted bird thing or something,

751
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know, Okay, the can Can came

752
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: to the US. I didn't write enough of the history

753
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: of can Can, but kind of interesting it like started

754
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: in France and then came to the US and like

755
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: was not cool in France anymore, and then eventually I

756
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: think maybe went full circle. I don't know. Can Can

757
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: was all over the fucking West, and you know, like

758
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: people high kicking and shit, and it was like a

759
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: naughty style of dancing, right because you could like see

760
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: their knickers or whatever old timey word they used for underwear.

761
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: So dancers would go around work at different saloons. There's

762
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways this would work, and like

763
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: town to town, decade to decade, culture to culture within

764
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: those towns, it would all be different. But Cancan dancers

765
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: might pull in fifty dollars a night instead of like

766
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: forty years later when a domestic gets six dollars a week.

767
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, fifty dollars a night was like fucking money.

768
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: They might make that money from coins thrown on stage

769
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: and a cut of the take at the bar. They

770
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: took care of their own affairs. Many were functionally as

771
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: far as I could tell, many were functionally worker cooperatives,

772
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: like collectives of equals. These like gangs that would go

773
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: around town to town and perform right, and they're coolest shit.

774
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: They kicked the shit out of manufucked with them. They

775
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: kept pistols and daggers, and they're like boots in between

776
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: their breasts. I'm sure some of them did sex work.

777
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure some of them did not. And the most

778
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: famous of these saloon dancers was a woman named Klondike

779
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: Kate who was born in eighteen seventy three in Kansas.

780
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: Gw up as a tomboy, and she was the terror

781
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: of the town and or of various towns. This is

782
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: like someone who like, there's a million versions of her upbringing.

783
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: One of them is as she like halfway grew up

784
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: in Chile and nothing else mentions leaving the country besides

785
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: maybe Canada like at all, I don't fucking know, but

786
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: she's a tomboy. And she got sent to boarding school.

787
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: So she escaped. So her parents were like, all right,

788
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: we're sending you a boarding school, and they sent her

789
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: to boarding school again. So she escaped, so she got

790
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: sent to boarding school. Eventually she just got expelled. They

791
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: were like, we can't fucking deal with you. You are

792
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: too fucking much. Because she's cool as shit. She tried

793
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: to get to Alaska. She heard about the you know,

794
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: gold Russian shit, and she was like, I'm getting to Alaska,

795
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: but Canada wouldn't let an unaccompanied woman into the country.

796
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: This is an example of the kind of shit where

797
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: anti sex work and anti lude women whatever laws affect

798
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: all women. Right, she can't get into the country because

799
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: unaccompanied women can't come in because they might do sex work.

800
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: What Yeah, and this is just happening all over, Like

801
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk a little bit about happening in

802
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: like the nineteen tens in the US and stuff too,

803
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: Like crossing state lines became very hard for unaccompanied women

804
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: because of anti trafficking laws. It when you make laws,

805
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: you usually end up catching the people that you ostensibly

806
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: don't want to catch so she's turned away in Canada

807
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, I got an idea, and she

808
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: dresses up as a boy and then she crosses into Canada.

809
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: She started working as a dancer when she gets to Alaska,

810
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: and her signature move was the flame dance, which was

811
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: slowly unraveling two hundred feet of cherry red fabric. And

812
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: then she felt for the same trap that every other

813
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: woman that we've talked about so far has fallen for.

814
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 2: Cute boy.

815
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no boy, I know, oh I know.

816
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: She fell for a man named Alexander Pontegas who was

817
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: a Greek American guy. And stop me if you've heard

818
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: this one before, but dating a stripper and being like, hey, babe,

819
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: like I just need some money, so like I got

820
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: my my theater management career is just gonna get off

821
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: the ground, you know, Like, don't you care about my career? Babe?

822
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 5: I really hated you reading that quote. I just want

823
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 5: you to know, yeah, no, thanks.

824
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: That's brought to you by the number of my friends

825
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: who had acoustic guitar boyfriends who didn't work and didn't

826
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: take care of the house while their stripper girlfriends were

827
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: at work anyway, He's like, but I don't want to

828
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: live in Alaska. Don't you want to come to Washington? Like,

829
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: don't you want to move to Seattle? Like he's probably

830
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: good at fucking, Like he probably is something going for him.

831
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

832
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, some of these people, all they have is

833
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: emotional men population. They don't even Anyway, she moves to

834
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: Washington to be with him, so he immediately ditched her

835
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: for a violinist, like, married this violinist in secret, and

836
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: then four days later wrote her a letter that was like, sorry, babe,

837
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: just got hitched. Ugh, this doesn't ruin her, It just

838
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: sets her back for a while.

839
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: It sets her free.

840
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, being robbed is what set her back.

841
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: Him marrying a violinist is like bullets whizzing past her

842
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: head and falling into it. The guy even has a

843
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: fucking Wikipedia page. He is like, he is like a

844
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: theater producer of some I didn't bother even reading it

845
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: because I don't like him. Why she like Nazis, I

846
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: don't know, and I don't care to quote the author

847
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: Professor Calamity about Klondike Kate quote, she always traveled with

848
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: the Cancan crew and quickly earned a reputation as someone

849
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: not to be messed with. One evening in Dawson City,

850
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: one of her crew was harassed by the foreman at

851
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: a local mine. After the show, Hate heard about the attack,

852
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: so she gathered up the girls and marched into the

853
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: mining camp, still in their costumes, to meet out justice

854
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: to the foreman. Miners gathered around and started cat calling

855
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: the colorfully dressed girls. The girls proceeded to high kick

856
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: the miners, who fled in shame.

857
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 2: I love that that was one of their weapons. Yeah, yeah,

858
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: literally kicking the shit out of epault. That's so good.

859
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, she did well for herself despite the youthful

860
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: setback of dating a fuck boy. She lived on a

861
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: ranch for a while, She got married a couple of times.

862
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: She she lives a long life actually on like the

863
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: last two folks we were talking about, And she raises

864
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: money for local charities all the time, like the volunteer

865
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: firefighter departments, like totally dependent on her. And then when

866
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: the great depression hits, she basically starts spending all of

867
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: her time cooking soup for local hobos. Right, and she

868
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: just like shows up at the hobo camps with like

869
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: pod after pot of soup and like, well, I'm gonna

870
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: take care of you, which is just cool as shit.

871
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: See current heroes food not bombs in Houston who are

872
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: getting ticketed for feeding the homeless constantly. It is possible

873
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: that she grew into being a bootlegger and or a

874
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: madam and no, because no one's quite sure how she

875
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: got the money that she had and do you.

876
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: Know if she did sex work?

877
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: Nope, we knew she was a traveling cancn dancer, stripper who,

878
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: like everyone was like maybe as a madam, I don't

879
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: know because people don't like talking about that shit, and

880
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: and amy, it's completely possible she had nothing to do

881
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: with it at all, right, but I doubt she. I mean,

882
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: clearly she was like part of that world, so I

883
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: thought she was like anti that shit.

884
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: You know.

885
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: She died peacefully in her sleep, old and happy, And

886
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: the main part of her legacy from my nineties kids

887
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: point of view is that Scrooge McDuck has a secret

888
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: love named Goldie and it's based on Klondike Kate. Or

889
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: she's this like badass, like backwoods lady who you know,

890
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: can like take care of her own and all this shit.

891
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: But now we're gonna talk about the city debait. We're

892
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: finbally gonna go to the big city. We're going to

893
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: leave these tiny little labor camps and go to the

894
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: place that was also just a tiny little labor camp

895
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: for a long time, San Francisco. You ever heard of

896
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: San Francisco a city?

897
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 2: I've heard, I've heard about it.

898
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's like a it's I think it's

899
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: a suburb of Oakland. So many people are going to.

900
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 5: Be so bad at you for saying that, but like,

901
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 5: let's be honest.

902
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: San Francisco, Yeah, it's going through an amazing renaissance right now.

903
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the prices are actually becoming affordable again. A

904
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: lot of people are leaving, or a lot other crazy

905
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: rich people are left. So San Francisco sex workers are

906
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: not just on the outskirts of societies, they're on the

907
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: frontier of societ There's this pattern. Sex workers show up,

908
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: they make a place livable, then folks decide they're no

909
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: longer useful and do a moral crisis to drive them away.

910
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: It happened in the American West, and it happens on

911
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: every corner of the Internet. Famously Tumblr band pornography after

912
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: building a platform on the back of sex work, and

913
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: only fans try to get rid of pornographys.

914
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were like, we're just gonna do like PG stuff.

915
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 2: Now it's like, okay, how are you going to make money?

916
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like so much of the Internet is built

917
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: on sex work, like culturally, and all this shit, and

918
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: now half of the like payment processors hate you. If

919
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 1: you're trying to do even legal types of sex work.

920
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: You can do other illegal shit with your money on

921
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: the Internet, no one cares. But like if it involves

922
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: like touching someone's penis, like, sorry, only God can touch people.

923
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sow the This is a story

924
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: about the American West, not the Internet. Towns are boom towns.

925
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: There's sex work and gambling and such is openly. Madams

926
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: are powerful respect to members of the community. Then families

927
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: move in and the whole place is supposed to become respectable.

928
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: Respectable apparently means telling people what they can and can't

929
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,479
Speaker 1: do with their bodies, criminalizing and harassing folks, especially women,

930
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: especially unmarried women. And again, like there's like all this

931
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: shit that didn't even make it into my script about

932
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,479
Speaker 1: like older like like twelfth century, thirteenth century type shit,

933
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: where like the church made no distinction between selling sex

934
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: and having sex outside of marriage, like really yeah, for

935
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: a lot of like moral law or some word for

936
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: church law shit was like you know, oh, anyone is

937
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: basically a whore if you're sleeping with people that you're

938
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: not currently married to or whatever. So all of this happens,

939
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: this moral crisis pattern, etcetera, is happens to the red

940
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: light district of San Francisco, which was called the Barbary Coast, which.

941
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: Is like late eighteen hundreds. Did you say you're sorry?

942
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is going to be like we're going

943
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: to be like eighteen forty nine. Eighteen fifty is kind

944
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: of when San Francisco, Like I literally kind of only

945
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: remember this date because of the sports team, the forty

946
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: nine ers, Sophie, I know a sports team. I liked

947
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: football when I was a kid because I was too

948
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: afraid to take ballet, so I took football. Who were anyway?

949
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 5: Get it?

950
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: Thanks? So it's named the Barbary Coast because everyone in

951
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: history is racist. It's named after what Europeans called the

952
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: Northern Coast of Africa for centuries which in turn was

953
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: named after the Berbers, which is the exonym the name

954
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: from outsiders that Europeans called all of the indigenous inhabitants

955
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: of that region before the Arab migrations to the area.

956
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: To be fair, this nickname for San Francisco was less

957
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: like wow, this is Africa, and more the Barbary Coast

958
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: was like known for like pirates and thieves and shit right,

959
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: and actually enslave traders who are like robbing everyone, and

960
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: a lot of robbing people and occasionally enslaving people did

961
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: have in the Red Light District in San Francisco, And

962
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: we'll talk about both got the Barbary Coast. It's a

963
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: little too wild for some people's comfort. It's nine blocks

964
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: of clubs and bars and brothels. And it started during

965
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: the gold Rush of eighteen forty nine, which basically means

966
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: it started when San Francisco started. It is as old

967
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: as San Francisco. There were only a few hundred people

968
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 1: living in tents and shit in San Francisco in eighteen

969
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: forty seven, then some in eighteen forty eight, some other

970
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: folks settled there, including a bunch of Mexican American war

971
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: vets who included a lot of New York City gang members,

972
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: and they settled there in eighteen forty eight. And one

973
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: of the very first things to happen in San Francisco.

974
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: This is like, actually, like makes me kind of like

975
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: a thing about history with San Francisco. Actually, there's a

976
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: lot of cool history in San Francisco. One of the

977
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: very first things that happens in this city the little

978
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: sleepy suburb of Oakland. Oakland was even smaller. I'm making

979
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: this shit up, Okay, Saone takes what I'm saying literally

980
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of nativist fucks. Nativists being like people who

981
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: hate immigrants, like white settlers who hate immigrants. They form

982
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: a racist gang called the Hounds. And this gang is

983
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: politically associated with one of the major political parties of

984
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: the United States, the one that is most often forgot about.

985
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: I wish it would stay forgotten, but to keep having

986
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: to bring it up on this show, The No Nothings.

987
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: You ever heard of the No Nothings? The No Nothing

988
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: There was this anti Catholic, anti immigrant, anti drinking party

989
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: of Protestants called the No Nothings that I think nothing.

990
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, it was in my head, I know.

991
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:38,479
Speaker 3: Time.

992
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like you're the Bummer Party, got it?

993
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, bad timers.

994
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: So the armed political wing of their group is a

995
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: gang called the Hounds, and they're mostly vets of the

996
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: Mexican American War, as in people fighting in the Mexicans

997
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: to steal Mexico from one day all cover the Mexican

998
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: American War and I'll know more about it.

999
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 2: So, but how are they nativists because they just became

1000
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: like they were just immigrants, right, which just took over

1001
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: this place.

1002
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you don't understand. I think that North

1003
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: America belongs to the Protestant white man.

1004
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 2: Oh manifest destiny of.

1005
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's yeah, you're right, because they're

1006
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: not even like we were in San Francisco first, right,

1007
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: they literally, I mean they weren't right, like it was just.

1008
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: A matter of life in Mexico.

1009
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, they suck their racist gang. But

1010
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: here's the cool part of this story. The other very

1011
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: first thing that happens in San Francisco is that two

1012
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty people took up arms and ran the

1013
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: racist out of town. Hey yeah, and so they kind

1014
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: of just roastly drove them out of town, but they

1015
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: sort of arrested a bunch and tried to like take

1016
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: them in and be like these people are criminal, bad

1017
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: people or whatever. But the Hounds have all these political connections,

1018
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: so they're overall not serving jail time, which is a

1019
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: thing that has never repeated itself related to an insurrection

1020
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: and anyway, so the armed citizens hatred of this racist

1021
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: bullshit kept the Hounds from ever being a political force again.

1022
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: A bunch of them moved out to mining camps and

1023
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: they were like, Oh, we're going to show up here,

1024
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: and then the miners were like, the thing about having

1025
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: moved somewhere completely lawless is that some people are only

1026
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: alive because it's illegal to kill them, and here nothing's illegal.

1027
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: So they died. The Hounds who moved to the mining

1028
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: camps died. I know, not that the miners weren't also

1029
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: themselves often racist. We're going to talk about anti Chinese

1030
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: bigotry and all this other stuff, but like, good on you.

1031
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: Early San Francisco, and for decades in San Francisco and

1032
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: the Red Light District in particular, it remained a fairly

1033
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: wild place, and lines around sex work were sort of blurry.

1034
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: There was a u nique style of dance hall, the

1035
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: Barbary Coast Dance Hall where the waitresses were it were

1036
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: scantily clad and they got paid to dance with patrons

1037
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: in exchange for a commission on the drinks the men bought.

1038
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: This paid pretty well. You can make twenty dollars a week,

1039
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: which is compared to the six dollars a week if

1040
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: you have a respectable job, right, which is not enough

1041
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: to feed a family on. It just isn't. And my guess,

1042
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: because I'm sure someone's written a book about this and

1043
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: I haven't found it yet, because there's only so much

1044
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: time in this world, I think that this is the

1045
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: direct lineage of American strip clubs more than the history

1046
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: of like people like burlesque and vaudeville and or not

1047
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: necessary Vaudville. That might get into it, but like people

1048
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: taking their clothes off for money is not the important

1049
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: part of stripping, right. The important part of stripping is

1050
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: getting paid to dance with men and then taking their money,

1051
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: and then also getting like, you know.

1052
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: And the drinks. I was a hostess at a strip

1053
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: club and that was like one of the biggest things

1054
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: is like selling those fucking drinks that nobody.

1055
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: Wants because they're watered out exactly totally. So this feels

1056
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: like that lineage, right, and this is my conjecture. Also,

1057
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: sometimes the waitresses working this place would drug their customers

1058
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: to rob them, and that's fine too. In nineteen oh eight,

1059
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: a gay brothel opened up in the Red Light district

1060
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: called the Dash, which hired gay men and what at

1061
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: the time were called female impersonators. I love that my

1062
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: gender has a different name, like every twenty years. Like

1063
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what it would be called twenty years

1064
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: from now whatever. As long as I could still wear

1065
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: dresses and be named Margaret, I don't give a shit.

1066
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: And this supposedly horrid district full of murder and death, Okay,

1067
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: there was some murder, there was some death, there was

1068
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: some robbery, and we'll talk anyway whatever. It is also

1069
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: the first place to bring jazz to the West Coast.

1070
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: It exported dance crazes all around the country. This was

1071
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: like an important cultural hub for the city and therefore

1072
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: for the West Coast and therefore for the country. And

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Speaker 1: that's where we're going to leave it today. This is

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Speaker 1: not my best cliffhanger, but I swear it's going to

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Speaker 1: get really good next week. Next week, well that too.

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Speaker 1: But on Wednesday this week, because we are going to

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Speaker 1: talk about sex workers organizing against the temperance activists and

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Speaker 1: against criminalization. We're also because nothing can ever be simple,

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about some really cool temperance activists

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Speaker 1: who rescued enslaved women.

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Speaker 2: Okay, plot twist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you want to hear that plot twist,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to wait. Well, not you. Actually you

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Speaker 1: only get to wait like five minutes because we record

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Speaker 1: immediately after we stop hitting record on this one. But

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Speaker 1: everyone else has to wait till Wednesday. But what they

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Speaker 1: don't have to wait for is to learn more about

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Speaker 1: you and where people can find you.

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Speaker 2: Well, y'all can listen to Private Parts Unknown. I love

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Speaker 2: to talk about sex work on that show. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I have two other podcasts, but it's whatever. I'm addicted

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Speaker 2: to making podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 2: It's a problem.

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Speaker 1: I've had people be like, but how does your voice

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Speaker 1: hold on if you just record podcasts all the time?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: You don't talk outside of this, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Right, I live alone in the wood. That's the answer. Cool. Well,

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Speaker 1: people should listen to Private Parts Unknown, and people should

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Speaker 1: hear us on Wednesday, and people should subscribe to Cooler

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Speaker 1: Zone Media so that they can listen to all the

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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media shows without advertisements, which is currently for

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Speaker 1: Apple but not Android because we hate open sources. Android

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Speaker 1: even open source I don't know, because it is complicated

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Speaker 1: to make different types of things happen, and we are

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Speaker 1: working to make it available for Android. But if you subscribe,

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Speaker 1: then you don't have to listen to ads. You only

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Speaker 1: have to listen to ad transitions and what better things

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Speaker 1: a plug?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 1: I have a black metal band. It's called Femine Noschool.

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Speaker 1: It's a black metal band. We haven't put out an

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Speaker 1: album in like three years, but I swear we're working

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Speaker 1: on one. So all of our existing album so far

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Speaker 1: are puns from Lords of the Ring, The Age of

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Speaker 1: Men and Is Over, and No Dawn for Men. Sophie,

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Speaker 1: What do you got? What do you want? What are

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Speaker 1: you trying to plug?

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Speaker 3: I want to plug one of our podcasts. It's called

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Speaker 3: It Could Happen Here, and I want to plug that.

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Speaker 3: We have a couple of different series coming up on

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Speaker 3: that show in the next month or so, one led

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Speaker 3: by Garrison and one led by James that should be

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Speaker 3: pretty interesting and people should check those out.

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Speaker 5: Wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: What if someone's never heard of a podcast before, what

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Speaker 1: could could you explain to them out of never mind?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm like both Corney and I have had

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Speaker 3: that conversation with many people I know, but have you

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Speaker 3: had to have it on a podcast?

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Speaker 1: Wherever you found this is where you can find that.

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Speaker 2: How did you get this far? And we'll explain it.

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Speaker 3: I've had this conversation with somebody I was recording with

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Speaker 3: that didn't understand what a podcast was, but they were

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Speaker 3: on a podcast episode.

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Speaker 1: Oh many times.

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Speaker 3: Many times they're like, oh so yeah, I'm like, yes,

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Speaker 3: it's like on demand radio.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, see y'all Wednesday.

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Speaker 5: Bye.

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Speaker 3: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 3: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media,

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Speaker 3: visit our website Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out

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Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

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Speaker 3: your podcasts.