1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. We invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Santra Shannaplay. 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to Coast AM employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so will we. 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Our episode today is 18 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: part book review, part reading from a book, part hearing 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: from a scientist who studies mediums, and part who knows 20 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: what else. I was doing a little search on afterlife 21 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: books and I came across a French book that is 22 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: translated into English. It's called The Test, Incredible Proof of 23 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: the Afterlife, written in twenty eighteen by Stefan Aliks. Let 24 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: me tell you about the author. Stefan Elik's Alix is 25 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: a French investigative journalist and best selling author. He is 26 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: a former war reporter and documentary director, founding member and 27 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: president of the French Institute of Research on Extraordinary Experiences. 28 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: Stefan Aliks became interested in the question of the afterlife 29 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: after the death of his brother in Afghanistan. He has 30 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: written several books that became bestsellers, including The Test. I 31 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: would like to start with reading his conclusion, If you're 32 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: anything like me, sometimes we read the end before we 33 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: read the beginning. Writing this book changed my life. I 34 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: had what was perhaps a naive idea about communication with 35 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: the dead, a number of questions and many preconceived notions. 36 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: Working on this book, performing these tests and spending many 37 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 1: hours in ongoing discussion with mediums allowed me to enter 38 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: into their lives, into the intimacy of their perceptions, and 39 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: to better understand and since in myself that acts us 40 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: to the invisible world is logically possible. Beyond the positive 41 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: and incontestable results of the test. The similarity of the 42 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: information about my father's life, death, and personality, as well 43 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: as the mention of deceased members of our family, and 44 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: the countless identical details that each medium provided without fail 45 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: together form the proof that my father was never absent. 46 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: During the seances, each of the six mediums described the 47 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: same person to me. Because that person is alive. The 48 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: six mediums entered into communication with my father. My father, 49 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: like all of the people we love who have left us, 50 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: is still alive somewhere else. The reality is vaster than 51 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: we are able to imagine. Death does not exist. The 52 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: bonds of love persist and holds strong. We are bound 53 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: to one another forever. I don't know about you, but 54 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: this fills me with energy. That's from Stefan Aliq's that's 55 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: his conclusion, and when he mentions seances. In French, seance 56 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: means meeting or a sitting so here in America or 57 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: in the UK or other English speaking places, when we 58 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 1: have a sitting with a medium, the French call having 59 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: a seance with a medium. Let me just share a 60 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: few reviews on this book because I think they're fascinating. 61 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 1: The stories, conversations, interviews, and experiences related in the test 62 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: have convinced me that there is life after death. Partly 63 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: because the author is a journalist who actually devised this 64 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: semi scientific test to see if there might be any 65 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: truth to the afterlife with his dad who was afraid 66 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: of dying. Partly because what he has written brings true 67 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: with my own professional experiences. I'll read one more. I 68 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: enjoyed this book very much, mostly because of its very 69 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: different approach to the possibility of contact with the deceased. 70 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: It also explained the different experiences of mediums when they 71 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: establish contact. Each one of them has his or her 72 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: own unique approach. I felt it was mostly a study 73 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: into the function of how mediums work and how they 74 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: acquired their gifts. On the other hand, it revealed how 75 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: that contact seems to work from the other side. Overall, 76 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: this book is a different approach to death, afterlife, mediumship, 77 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: and grief and is refreshing. As you know, I won't 78 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: be able to read you the whole book during this episode. 79 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: You might like to pick it up afterwards, but I'll 80 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: do my best to pick out significant segments that I 81 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: think will make a difference for you. You may wonder 82 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: why it's called called the test, so let me begin reading. 83 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: This is from the introduction. When my father passed away, 84 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: I placed four objects in his casket. I spoke about 85 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: it to no one. I then interviewed mediums who claimed 86 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: to be able to communicate with the dead. Would they 87 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: discover what the objects were? This is the test. My father, 88 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: Jean Pierre Alique, passed away on June sixteenth, twenty thirteen, 89 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: at the age of eighty five. He was an admirable father. 90 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: I loved him and still do. He taught me to 91 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: be a man whose word and sense of honor meant 92 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: more than anything else. He encouraged me to become a 93 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: person who expected as much from myself as I did 94 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: from other people, and to be proud of my heritage. 95 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: He taught me to be curious, to know how to 96 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: use my best judgment, but also to listen without judging 97 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: too quickly. He showed me by his example that life 98 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: is a astonishing and that it is precisely this ability 99 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: to be astonished, whatever one's age, that saves us from despair. 100 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: As you read what follows, you will understand why I 101 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: think my father is far more than the mere subject 102 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: of a particular experiment, namely the test I put forward 103 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: to six mediums, two men and four women. He is 104 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: my partner, the invisible but central character in this book, 105 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: to which he contributed at times with difficulty, often with emotion, 106 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: and even at certain times with humor. When he was alive, 107 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: we had spoken about life and death on several occasions. 108 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: In two thousand and one, I had lost a brother 109 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: in an accident in Afghanistan, and the subject was ever 110 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: present in my family. We had both mentioned how interesting 111 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: it would be after his death to try and undertake 112 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: this research together. On the day of my father burial, 113 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: I was alone in the room at the funeral parlor, 114 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: a few minutes before the casket would be closed and sealed. 115 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: I took four objects, along with a little note, and 116 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: hid them under the fabric covering his corpse, out of sight. 117 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: From that moment and until the casket was closed, I 118 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: remained next to it to reassure myself that no one 119 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: could see the objects concealed against his body. I am 120 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: absolutely certain to have been until today the only person 121 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: aware of the presence of those objects. In his casket 122 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: on that Saturday morning of June twenty second, twenty thirteen. 123 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: I left the following things next to my father, a long, 124 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: thin paint brush, a tube of white acrylic paint, his compass, 125 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: a paperback copy of The Tatar Step by Dino Buzzati, 126 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: one of his favorite books, and a small note slipped 127 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: inside an ETK crew colored envelope. I took the time 128 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: to photograph each object just before putting it into the casket. 129 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: Then I spoke to my father, looking at the empty 130 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: space above him rather than at his body. I explained 131 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: to him what I was doing and that his task 132 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: would consist of telling the mediums what the objects were. 133 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: A little over a year later, I asked several mediums 134 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,359 Speaker 1: if they would be willing to participate in a small experiment, 135 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: though I remained very evasive as to what the subject 136 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: of this experiment was. At this point, the author goes 137 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: into a discussion about mediums. He talks about the skepticism, 138 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: but he also goes into talking about the works of 139 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: two scientists who have really researched mediums. One is doctor 140 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: Gary Schwartz, who you heard from a few episodes ago, 141 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: and the next one is doctor Julie Bischel, And instead 142 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: of reading this part of the book, I've got a 143 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: clip you're going to hear a little later, trim Julie Bischel. 144 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: Let's continue with the author. By the virtue of all 145 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: the research that has been done and that I myself 146 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: had conducted in recent years, life after death is today, 147 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: in my view, more than a solid hypothesis. For over 148 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: ten years, I have been carrying out my investigation across 149 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: the world, meeting researchers, physicians, men, women and children who 150 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: have had incredible experiences of contact with the deceased. I 151 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: have been working and rubbing shoulders with mediums for years. 152 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: All of this time I have remained in my role 153 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: as a thorough and objective journalist. It is precisely this 154 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: approach that has led me to recognize the proof before 155 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: me today that death is n the end of life. 156 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: With this book, I also intend to contribute to the 157 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: debate by bringing forth indisputable evidence that you will discover 158 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: in these pages. But beyond simply wanting to prove that 159 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: life continues after death, I have hoped to explore how 160 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: this communication between two worlds, between the living and the 161 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: dead is established. I questioned the mediums relentlessly. What happens 162 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: to us when our body vanishes into dust? What happens 163 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: to our consciousness after death? For we continue to be 164 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: of this, I'm certain, But what is the nature of 165 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: our being? Are we exactly the same person we were 166 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: during our lifetime on earth? Or does our personhood evolve? 167 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: What happens during the first few weeks following our death? 168 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: Where do we go? Who do we meet? Who is 169 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: the being my father became after his death? Who communicated 170 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: with me? I invite you to discover what months of 171 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: investigation have permitted me to understand. It is dizzying. Each 172 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: one of the six chapters to follow is the portrait 173 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: of a medium and presents in its entirety the test 174 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: seance conducted with him or her. I have never gone 175 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: as far in any of my interviews as I did 176 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: in these. They shed an unparalleled light on the end 177 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: of life, death and the afterlife, and the communication with 178 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: the dead. In the final chapter, psychiatrist Christophe Foray, a 179 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: specialist in caring for people at the end of life, 180 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: discusses the specific features of the path of grief and 181 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: offers us some kind advice regarding death and mediumship. Writing 182 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: this book changed my life, perhaps it will change yours. 183 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more words from The Test 184 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: by Stefan. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 185 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and costcos d M Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome 186 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. We're 187 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: reading from the book The Test by Stefan Eliks. Now, 188 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: this is where it's going to get exciting, because I'm 189 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: taking a two hundred and sixty page book and trying 190 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: to paraphrase it in one episode. So bear with me. 191 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: I trust if this resonates with you, you'll pick up 192 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: a copy of the book or get it on kindle. 193 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: So he starts off with Henry, and remember, seance is 194 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: just another word for sitting. I am feeling very apprehensive 195 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 1: about this seance. I have known Henry for years and 196 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: there is a true friendship between us. I met him 197 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: for the first time in November two thousand and six 198 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: to test him and even back then with a photo 199 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: of my brother Thomas, who had died five years earlier 200 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. The result of that first seance was impressive. 201 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: He knew nothing about me yet there is no doubt 202 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: in my mind that Henry communicated with my brother that day, 203 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: as far as doubts, though I still have my fair share. 204 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: I came out of the small apartment where we had 205 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: met feeling torn between astonishment and resistance. Astonishment at the 206 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: fact that he had given me an incredible number of 207 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: very specific details about my brother, his life, his personality, 208 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: the particular circumstances of his death, etc. Details that he 209 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: could not, in total objectivity, have gotten from anyone else 210 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: except for my brother himself, who had been dead for 211 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: five years. And resisted because what the evidence was telling 212 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: me that my brother had spoken to me after his 213 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: death was something my mind was not yet ready to accept. 214 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: The resistance is tenacious and clings onto the smallest doubt, 215 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: taking advantage of the slightest opportunity it is given. On 216 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: that day in November two thousand and six, for example, 217 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: what bothered me most was that at no point had 218 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: Henry ever said that my brother's name was Thomas. He 219 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: had described in detail the way Thomas had died in 220 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: a car accident, his wound to the head, to the 221 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: place where it happened, but he had not said his name. 222 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: This seemed paradoxical. Why, since Henry claimed that he was 223 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: with us in the room, didn't my brother simply say 224 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: with me in mind, hey, by the way, tell him 225 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: my name is Thomas. This seemed both incomprehensible and illogical 226 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: to me, and this small annoyance diminished the completely unexplained 227 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: fact act that Henry had also given me a great 228 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: deal of other true information. I have since discovered the 229 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: reason for this apparent contradiction, and it is one of 230 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: the things that is so important for me to explore 231 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: with the six mediums who have agreed to take part 232 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: in my proposed test. In very basic terms, this point 233 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: is crucial, and we will come back to it throughout 234 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: this book. The part of a medium's brain that perceives 235 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: the words, images and information on behalf of the deceased 236 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: is not the same part of the brain that verbalizes 237 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: this information to the living person who has come to 238 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: see them. Researcher Julie Bischel explained this to me during 239 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: an interview I had had with her in Tucson, Arizona, 240 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: a few years ago. Names and dates pose a problem 241 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: for many mediums. I think this is because this kind 242 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: of information depends on the left brain. A name is 243 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: a label, and numbers and labels are managed by the 244 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: left hemisphere of the brain. We think that mediumship is 245 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: a process that occurs primarily via the right brain. Elements 246 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: that are normally filtered by our left brain are therefore 247 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: more difficult to perceive and interpret. A parallel can be 248 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: made to the moment a person first wakes up. In 249 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: that instant, it is possible that you retain the last 250 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: dream you had just had. It is there, you can 251 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: feel it. The memory of it is ingrained in you 252 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: with all of its powers and evocations. But once you 253 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: move or stretch, and before you get up, it has 254 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: withered away. Curiously. When you try to make a note 255 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: of it, by writing it down or by telling your 256 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: spouse about it, the words you use actually destroy a 257 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: part of the dream. By saying it or by putting 258 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: it down in writing, you are reducing it to words. 259 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: It reconstructs itself, It almost becomes something else. In fact, 260 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: you have just passed from the right brain, which dreams, 261 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: to the left brain, which is trying to describe the dream. 262 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: Things get stuck. You still hold vague sensation of the 263 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: fragments of the dream. But despite your efforts, you are 264 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: not able to find the words. A medium's experience, as 265 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: we are going to find out, is a little bit 266 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: like that during a seance. They must both remain in 267 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: the dream, that delicate space of fragile perception where they 268 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: are in contact with the deceased and tell you what 269 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: is happening with words. The ability to do this permanent 270 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: back and forth without altering one's perceptions is the secret 271 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: of being a good medium. So now this is Sanderback, 272 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: not the author. I want to remind you that the 273 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: things that were in the coffin were a long, thin 274 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: paint brush, a tube of acrylic white paint, the father's compass, 275 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: a paperback book called the Tartar Step, and a small 276 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: note in an envelope. And his father's name was Jean Paul. 277 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: This is the point where I have to just pick 278 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: and choose what I'm going to tell you, because again 279 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: I can't get through the whole book, each chapter, with 280 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: each medium, he goes on in detail, with absolutely everything 281 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: that happened, lots and lots of evidence. I am going 282 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: to do my best. The medium Henry gives him the 283 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: name Paul or Jean Paul. He says, does that mean 284 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: anything to you. He says, yes, as his father's name 285 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: is Jean Paul. He goes on to talk more about 286 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: the father, the father's health, his stomach issues, things about 287 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: his mother. He says, in your family at one time, 288 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: was there someone who had a snake And the author says, yes, me. 289 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: The author this whole time did his very best not 290 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: to show any emotion and just give yeses and nos. 291 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: The author goes on to describing a lot more about 292 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: the medium, the medium's past and some other evidence that 293 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: he brings through, about the author's life and about relatives, 294 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: things about the father, but not yet about the things 295 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: that are in the coffin. Henry, the medium does start 296 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: talking about the casket. He's talking about his father. He's saying, yes, 297 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: he's showing me the casket. Everything is white. There must 298 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: have been fabric inside, white satin in the casket, yes, 299 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: says Stefan. Henry continues, could we say there is something 300 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: in his casket or that things were put beside him 301 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: by his loved ones. The author says, oh, now we're 302 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: getting there. The medium says, he's having me feel several things. 303 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: Henry points to my head and my heart. Why this 304 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: sudden and so intimate remark. Henry never mentioned our bond 305 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: to the people who love him, friends and family. I'm 306 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: hearing his voice in a whisper very far away, hearing peace. 307 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: I didn't hear because Henry had murmured, and I made 308 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: him repeat it peace. By this, he means he is 309 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: at peace. He has several objects with him. I'm trying 310 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: to understand. Can we say there is something that has 311 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: traveled that was once overseas. I hold back any untimely 312 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: show of emotion, but the expression something that has traveled 313 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: makes me instantly think about the compass once again. I 314 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: put myself in my father's place, and I imagine him 315 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: having to evoke these objects without using words. Yes, there 316 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: you have it. That's probably it. He cannot say words, 317 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: but can only share sensations with Henry. Their zone of 318 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: dialogue and communication is not located in a world of words, 319 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: but in a world of images and feelings. And what 320 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: is the feeling of a compass? I allow myself to 321 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 1: just say, yes, I don't know what it is something 322 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: that has traveled overseas that someone has put with him. 323 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: That makes sense. He's insisting strongly on this. It's with me, yes, 324 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: I heard, but I didn't see what it is. It's 325 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: like an intention of the heart, a gesture with his hand. 326 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: He's picking up dirt or sand. He's letting it escape. 327 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: You see, as if everything was turning into powder sand. 328 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: I say, yes, what he's holding in his hand is 329 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: like sand, and he's going like this. You don't know 330 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: what it is now. I feel a shock and I'm 331 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: very shaken, but I don't show anything such true emotion, 332 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: because I have the feeling that my father is trying 333 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: very hard. Even I couldn't have thought of that once 334 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: I realized how difficult it might be to give the 335 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: title of the novel I placed in his casket, and 336 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: to think that. On the way to our meeting this morning, 337 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: I had spoken to my father out loud, asking him 338 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: to try to mention the book out of all four objects. 339 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: What synchronicity between my act of thinking specifically about the 340 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: difficulty Papa would have in naming the book for me, 341 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: and the fact that it was precisely this difficult point 342 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: that comes out during the seance, the tartar step. What 343 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: could better suggest the desert step than a fistful of 344 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: sand and let it escape from his hand a movement 345 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: that Henry is reproducing before my eyes. Despite my turmoil, 346 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: I allow myself to say, yes, that's quite telling. But 347 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: why did he use an image rather than a word. 348 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: I can't tell you anything else. The author includes this 349 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: chapter with medium Henry really feeling that he brought through 350 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: evidence of his loved ones. Although I didn't mention it 351 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 1: all here, he got things in detail about his father, 352 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: his brother, his grandfather, his grandmother, his mother. And he 353 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: feels like the book title with sand is what Henry 354 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: was trying to do with the sand, and perhaps the 355 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 1: compass was what was overseas with them. We don't know 356 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: how difficult it is to communicate from the afterlife, and 357 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: we host regular medium classes online with our great medium 358 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: tutors Carrie and Phil, and they said it all comes 359 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: through feeling. When we get back from the break, I 360 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: want to introduce you to doctor Julie Beischel. She has 361 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: a few words that I think will help understand how 362 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: mediums operate. She's tested quite a few of them, and 363 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: I really wish that we could ask them for specific 364 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: information and know that it comes through. One woman, Bless 365 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: her soul, emailed me not too long ago hoping to 366 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: get a password for somebody in the afterlife. It's very 367 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: difficult when we are grieving, and I wish loved ones 368 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: could come in with that much detail. Maybe sometime, so 369 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: we'll be back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 370 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 371 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 372 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: and we're reading from the book The Test by Stefan Aliks. 373 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: The next chap goes into his medium, reading with a 374 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: medium by the name of Dominique. Well, Dominique gives him 375 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: lots of information about family members and his father, but 376 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: doesn't quite get what he's looking for. And that's the 377 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: evidence of what he put in the casket. Let's remember 378 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: there was a paintbrush, an acrylic tube of paint, a compass, 379 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: and a paperback book and then a small note in 380 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: an envelope. So at the very end of this chapter, 381 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: Dominique senses that Stefan is frustrated and she assumes that 382 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: there was something else there. He said there was, so 383 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: she assumes it's a sentence that he wanted. So many 384 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: people have a secret message that they want to bring 385 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: through a medium, but that wasn't it. So she said, 386 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: we cannot demand from our loved ones. And he, knowing 387 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: that he's writing a book, was talking to his dad 388 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: like please give her some information. Comes out of her 389 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: mouth is a book. So clearly there was a book. 390 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: And as she goes on, words come out of her mouth. 391 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: In her words are, oh, I don't know, a paintbrush, 392 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: drawing paper, a tube of paint, and there it was. 393 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: Stefan asks her if she just made that up, and 394 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: she said it just came into her imagination. That's how 395 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: mediums work, through our imagination. She says, it just came 396 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: to me, you know, just sometimes does that spontaneously. So 397 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: she had the book, the paintbrush, and the paint. Next, 398 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: I want you to hear some words from doctor Julie Bischel. 399 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: Doctor Bischel is the director of Research at the Windbridge 400 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: Research Center. She received her PhD in pharmacology and toxicology 401 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: with a minor in microbiology and immunology from the University 402 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: of Arizona. For over fifteen years, doctor Bischel has worked 403 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: a full time studying mediums. So let's listen to a 404 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: brief clip of her talking to Jeffrey Mishlove from New 405 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: Thinking Aloud. When they talk about the word SI, you 406 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: can substitute that for psychic. And when they talk about 407 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: somatic versus survival evidence that comes through mediums, they're talking 408 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: about psychic information that they can pick off an individual 409 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: versus mediumship that's coming from a discarnate individual. Let's listen. 410 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 3: My research partner, Mark mccusey, and I when we started 411 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: the Winbridge Institute in two thousand and eight, we were 412 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 3: interested in all the parapsychology topics. We wanted to study everything, 413 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: and in twenty seventeen we decided we're serving no one 414 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 3: by trying to serve everyone. We created the Windbridge Research Center, 415 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: which is a nonprofit, and we moved all the afterlife 416 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 3: research mediumship to the new Windbridge Research Center so that 417 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 3: now we know. So the Institute still exists, but it 418 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 3: is doing normalizing, optimizing and utilizing SI functioning. And then 419 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 3: the Windbridge Research Center focuses on alleviating suffering around dying, 420 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 3: death and what comes next. And I'm also interested in 421 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 3: other kinds of after death communication. We refer to mediumship 422 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 3: as assisted after death communication. So the medium is the 423 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 3: one actually experiencing the communication and then she shares the 424 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: messages she receives with you, so we call that assisted. 425 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 3: But then there's what's called requested so that you can 426 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: engage in certain practices or using certain technologies or products 427 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 3: that can where you're asking your deceased one today, I'm 428 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 3: going to pay attention and look for a feather, and 429 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 3: then it gives your deceased loved one an opportunity to 430 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: try and show you a feather today and then so 431 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: that you both can be working on that today. So 432 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 3: there's things like that where you can request an ABC. 433 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: There's a lot of research actually with what are called 434 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 3: spontaneous after death communication experiences. I think the most prevalent 435 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 3: one is the sense of presence, feeling that the person 436 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 3: is around. The dreams are a big one too. I 437 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 3: Mean there's all kinds of spontaneous after death communication. Flickering 438 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: lights and you know, electronic things. And when you can 439 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 3: smell and odor that a scent that reminds you of 440 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 3: the person. Oh like, why would I be smelling cigar smoke? 441 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: There's no cigar around here? Oh, is to remind me 442 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 3: of my grandfather. Things like that. So there's lots of 443 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 3: different kinds of ways that people can have these spontaneous 444 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 3: after death communication experiences. A few years ago, we published 445 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 3: our replication study readings with twenty different mediums. I think 446 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 3: it was fifty eight readings under various levels of blinding, 447 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 3: but at the maximum five levels of blinding. We used 448 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 3: to call it quintumple blind proto call so five levels 449 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 3: of blinding, and that eliminated all the normal explanations for 450 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 3: where a medium could be getting her information. So in 451 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 3: the protocol, it's just me and a medium on the phone. 452 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 3: All we have is the first name of a deceased person. 453 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 3: We don't know anything else. I serve as the proxy 454 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: sitter for the absence sitter, and then I ask the 455 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 3: medium specific questions about that deceased person. What did they 456 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 3: look like, what's their personality, what were their hobbies or activities, 457 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 3: what was their cause of death? Did they have any 458 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 3: specific messages for the sitter? And is there anything else 459 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 3: you can tell me about that person? So very specific 460 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,959 Speaker 3: things that you couldn't just know from the name. So 461 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 3: the first question people ask is, well, how does the 462 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 3: medium find the right Bob. Well, the way that they 463 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 3: experience it is that Bob finds them. We talk about 464 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 3: it's received versus retrieve, like picking up a ringing telephone, 465 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 3: like they're receiving the communication. They're not out there searching 466 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 3: for the answers. And that's really important because people, i think, 467 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 3: because of the misrepresentation often in the media, people think 468 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: that the medium can give them whatever they want to hear. Well, 469 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: they can't. It's like, you can't make a person tell 470 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 3: you what you want to hear from them. All she 471 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: can do is listen and experience the communication, which is 472 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 3: usually all five senses. They smell things and hear things 473 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 3: and feel things in their body and see things, and 474 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 3: then they just sort of translate that to the sitter, 475 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 3: the living person wanting to hear from the dead person. 476 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: That's all they can do. 477 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: And so what we've showed in the replication study was, yeah, 478 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 3: when a person scores for accuracy the reading that the 479 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 3: medium did, we do target versus decoy. So the sitter 480 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 3: scores a target reading where the medium was given the 481 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 3: name of their deceased person, and then they score a 482 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 3: decoy reading where the medium did a reading for someone 483 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 3: else and don't they can't tell which reading is which. 484 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 3: And then statistically what we do is compare the scoring 485 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 3: of those two, and we did find people scored target 486 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 3: reading statistically significantly higher than they scored control readings. I 487 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 3: think what's interesting is that it's not like one hundred 488 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 3: percent versus zero percent. There's some people are only so different. 489 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 3: There's going to be some things even in a control reading, 490 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 3: in a decoy reading, that are going to fit your person, 491 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 3: just because people are only so different. But the difference 492 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: between the scores was statistically significant. So we did demonstrate 493 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 3: that mediums can report accurate and specific information about the 494 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 3: deceased with no prior knowledge, without any feedback during or 495 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: even after the reading. We don't even tell them how 496 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 3: they did afterwards, and without using fraud or deception. There's 497 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: no way they can look somebody up or anything like that. 498 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 3: So we call that phenomenon anomalist information reception. So we've 499 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 3: demonstrated anomalist information reception. The path that we chased was 500 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 3: the medium's experiences the phenomenology. For eons, there's been this 501 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 3: survival versus side debate. Is it side with the living 502 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 3: or is it survival of consciousness? You know, we wrote papers. 503 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 3: We made a new term because whatever they're doing a size, 504 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 3: so you can't say size survival. So we made survival 505 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 3: side and somatic SI. If you ask a flipp and medium, 506 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 3: they know what somatic side feels like, and they know 507 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 3: what survival side feels like, and they're not the same. 508 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 3: And it's much different in modern times than it was 509 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 3: when people studied mediums in the eighteen eighties, when the 510 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 3: mediums went into a full trance and they didn't have 511 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 3: any conscious experience of the reading. These mediums are fully 512 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 3: awake and aware, and so after the reading you can 513 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 3: ask them things about their experiences. We published a paper 514 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 3: where we did quantitative and qualitative analyzes of their descriptions. 515 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 3: I think it was it was over one hundred mediums, 516 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 3: I think one hundred and thirty around their mediums, describe 517 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 3: your experiences when communicating with the deceased, describe your experiences 518 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 3: when retrieving information of out a living person during like 519 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 3: a psychic reading, And there were quantitative and qualitative differences 520 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 3: in the way that they described those things. They're very different, 521 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 3: and we need to if we take people's word for 522 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 3: it when we study pain, we need to take people's 523 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 3: word for it when we study their experiences of SI. 524 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 3: What we were hearing from our team of mediums was 525 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 3: that because of the way mediums are portrayed on TV, 526 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 3: sitters were coming to them and getting disappointed because they 527 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 3: were thinking that's how it was going to go, and 528 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 3: that's not how it works in real life. They're not 529 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 3: one hundred percent accurate, and they can't get you what 530 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 3: you want. They have to let it, you know, And 531 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 3: every medium is different. And it's a three person team, 532 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 3: right the medium is only one person. You're involved as 533 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 3: a sitter, your deceased person is involved, and it's communicating. 534 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 3: It's human communication, so that always gets messy. So created 535 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 3: this fact sheet with some tips, some dos and don'ts 536 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 3: for sinners when they're interested in getting a mediumship reading. 537 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 3: At least, whoever you go to, whatever medium you go to, 538 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 3: here you've optimized your role in the three person process. 539 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: Doctor Bischel does offer some good dues and don'ts. She says, 540 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,439 Speaker 1: do choose a medium with care. Choose one trusted by 541 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: friends or vetted by an organization that uses transparent testing procedures. 542 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: Do understand that a medium who charges more money or 543 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 1: has more social media followers is not necessarily better or 544 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: worse than any other medium. Don't give information beyond basic 545 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: responses like yes, no, I'm not sure, or maybe. Do 546 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: Remember that your grieving can affect how you experience things, 547 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: including a medium reading. Don't put too much pressure on 548 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: the experience to prove your discarnate is still around. Just 549 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: know it. Do record the reading or take notes so 550 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: you can review it later. Don't use codes or riddles 551 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: to prove the medium is communicating with your discarnate. Do 552 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: ask for information about how your discarnate will communicate with 553 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: you after the reading. Yesterday someone told me don't pay 554 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: more for a medium reading than a good haircut. You 555 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: can get a good medium reading in a half an hour. 556 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: And I really am of the belief that all mediums 557 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: should give you a ten minute guarantee, and that first 558 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: ten minutes, if you're not feeling they're giving good information 559 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: where they may not feel connection with your loved one, 560 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: that you can stop the reading and either reschedule or not. 561 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: But you do not pay. If you want to see 562 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 1: me get a little upset about mediums, go to YouTube 563 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: and type in Sandra champlain rant it is time for 564 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: our break. We'll be back. You're listening to Shades of 565 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 1: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am 566 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 567 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. The book I'm talking about is called 568 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: The Test by Stefan Alique, a French journalist looking for 569 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: evidence of the afterlife. Although I am just picking and 570 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 1: choosing the sentences where the medium talks about the things 571 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: in the casket, there is so much more. The author 572 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: met with the medium named Christelle, who also gave plenty 573 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: of evidence about Stefan's loved ones, and at the very 574 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: end of the sitting, of course, Stefan didn't feel he 575 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: got the information about what was put in the coffin 576 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: until finally the medium blurted out a long, thin piece 577 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: of wood like a paintbrush. He also worked with a 578 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: fellow named Pierre. Some of the things Pierre told him 579 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 1: is that he was being shown a windmill. He asked 580 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: if he lived in a windmill and no, his parents 581 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: lived in the country in a place known as the Windmill. 582 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: Pierre told Stefan that his father was talking a lot 583 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,720 Speaker 1: about books. He always had the desire to learn, always 584 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: a scholar. Stefan said, that's accurate. Pierre said this man 585 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: has a lot of character. He wasn't necessarily very accessible, 586 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: though Pierre continued, he was someone who educated other people 587 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: as a teacher, and yes, the father was an instructor, 588 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: a teacher. Pierre said, there's an object, something shiny. He's 589 00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: telling me that it belonged to him. Yes, an object 590 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: with a round, shiny top. And there's something silky like satin. 591 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you? Yes, he's telling me 592 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: a story that seems to be about love. Is there 593 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: someone who put an envelope in the casket. I'm not 594 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: going to answer you, Stefan said. The off white envelope 595 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: Pierre saw in the beginning contained these few words, I 596 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 1: love you, Papa, and I signed it your big boy. 597 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: That's what my parents usually called me. Yes, what's in 598 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: the envelope is about love. At the end of the reading, 599 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: Pierre said, the round object, it could be a medal 600 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,919 Speaker 1: or is it a compass? Stefan says. The seance has 601 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: surprised me, as Pierre so quickly saw the letter I 602 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: left in the casket, the book and the round object 603 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: being a compass, and only an hour before I asked 604 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: my father if he could choose to talk about the 605 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: book and the compass. But at the same time, Pierre's 606 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: explanations of those other mediums are allowing me to understand 607 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: the complexity of what I am requesting from my father. 608 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: In spite of everything, He's not doing that badly, is he. 609 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: The last medium Stefan sees is Florence, and again there's 610 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: so much about her, her life, her beliefs, different validations 611 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 1: of the father and other people in the author's life. 612 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: But at the very end, Stefan says, I put things 613 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: in his casket and I asked him to give me 614 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 1: this information through a medium. That's the challenge. Florence says, 615 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: that's a lot of pressure, and then says, no, he's 616 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: been here since this morning. He's getting used to life 617 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: after life because he didn't really believe even it very 618 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: much before. He was a little narrow minded about what 619 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: we're doing here. But he's telling me little by little 620 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 1: as I've gone further, I'm understanding things. You're helping me. 621 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: I have something like a pencil. Did you put a 622 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: pencil in his casket? I have a stretched out shape 623 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: in his casket. What is it a pencil? She says, 624 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: He said, just tell me what he's telling you it 625 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: honestly looks like a pencil or a paint brush. I 626 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: don't know if that's what it is. I don't answer, 627 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 1: but I acknowledge what Florence says in spite of the apprehension. 628 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: She has a clarity of spirit that allows her to 629 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 1: obtain very accurate and precise details from the deceased. And 630 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 1: what she's just said is indisputable. A long paint brush 631 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: that is exactly one of the four objects I put 632 00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: in the casket. Not a fat one, not a square 633 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: or a thick one. No, a long and thin paintbrush. 634 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: I am so overwhelmed, but I don't want to let 635 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: anything show in front of Florence, and I don't react 636 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: to what she says. She continues, voila. And then I 637 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: have a paper, a little note to my father, for 638 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: my father, or to my papa. He says, it's something 639 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: like that, remember that with the four shapes. I put 640 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 1: that in an envelope that I told him, Papa, I 641 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,399 Speaker 1: loved him. She says, Okay, who is Paul? I say, 642 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: I don't know Jean Paul in relation to what a 643 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,280 Speaker 1: friend he found. I don't know why at that moment 644 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: that I said I don't know, but Paul was my 645 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: father's uncle who had died and disappeared during World War One, 646 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: and my father's name was Jean Paul. Your father is 647 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: showing me a drawing as if it was something he 648 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: had painted, as if he had taken that famous paint 649 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: brush and started to paint. What I'm seeing now is strange. 650 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: He's taking a painting and then putting paint on it. 651 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: Did you put painting things in This can't be possible 652 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 1: that you put painting things in a casket. Did you? 653 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't answer, but I observe that for Florence, the 654 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: presence of a paint brush is now certain tubes of paint. Yes, 655 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: that's it, because in fact he's painting again. Thanks to you. 656 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: He is sending me the image of himself painting. So 657 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: the paint brush and the tube of paint you put 658 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: in the casket, he must have found a canvas on 659 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: the other side. This is unbelievable, I think, and I'm 660 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: flabbergasted that this came so easily to her. She continues, 661 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm in here his place, I'm seeing him paint. I 662 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: also have a kind of low wall overlooking a valley. 663 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 1: I have trees. I don't even know where I am. 664 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: I see this landscape through his eyes as if I 665 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: were in his place. I don't know whether it's a 666 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: place that he likes very much. Did he live in 667 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: the country in a similar spot? A small wall, a 668 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,439 Speaker 1: little nook, and trees in front. It's pretty calm. He's 669 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,280 Speaker 1: putting me in front. I tell her, your description actually 670 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: resembles the very place he was fond of where he 671 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 1: lived in the country. A terrace that overhung a little 672 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: bit with a wall that went down. One of the 673 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,240 Speaker 1: last pictures I took of my father a few weeks 674 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: before his death shows him sitting in this exact spot. 675 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: His gaze is resting on the top of the trees 676 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: that extend all the way to the horizon. He's in 677 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: his wicker chair at the edge of the gravel terrace, 678 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: a terrace that ends with a little overhang that we 679 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: had built together more than thirty years before. This image 680 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,359 Speaker 1: is so him. That's the place he wanted to die. 681 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 1: He just transported me there without saying a word. Florence 682 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: tells me. She says, I'm myself again in my place. 683 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: I see the infinity of where I am, and I 684 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 1: see all of you too, But I know that I 685 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: will see you and talk with you again. Did you 686 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: see him in a dream that happens? Yes, and actually 687 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: in three or four vivid dreams with him, and he 688 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: appeared a little quiet. He's putting down roots again. When 689 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: I tell you that he's in the middle of developing, 690 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,879 Speaker 1: maybe he shouldn't be asked too many questions. It's better 691 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: to let him say what he wants to say. A 692 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: year and a half is short. He's still in the 693 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: process of creating. He's a nice man, a beautiful soul. 694 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: He's fine where he is. He's doing better than he 695 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: did at the end of life. No more suffering. Where 696 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 1: he is now. I sense that he is calm, surrounded 697 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,440 Speaker 1: by people that he loves. And he's not alone. No, 698 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: he's not alone, and neither are we. We never are. 699 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,360 Speaker 1: And some final words from the author. As I said, 700 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: before writing this book changed my life. I had what 701 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: was perhaps a naive idea about communication with the dead, 702 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: A number of questions and many preconceived notions. Working on 703 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 1: this book, performing these tests and spending many hours in 704 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 1: ongoing discussion with mediums allowed me to enter into their lives, 705 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 1: into the intimacy of their perceptions, and to better understand 706 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 1: and sense in myself that access to the invisible world 707 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 1: is logically possible. Beyond the positive and incontestable results of 708 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,760 Speaker 1: the test, the similarity of the information about my father's life, death, 709 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 1: and personality, as well as the mention of deceased members 710 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 1: of our family, and the countless identical details that each 711 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 1: medium provided without fail together form the proof that my 712 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,759 Speaker 1: father was never absent. During the seances, each of the 713 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 1: six mediums described the same person to me. Because that 714 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: person is alive. The six mediums entered into communication with 715 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: my father. My father, like all the people we love 716 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 1: who have left us, is still alive somewhere else. The 717 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: reality is vaster than we are able to imagine. Death 718 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,320 Speaker 1: does not exist. The bonds of love persist and hold strong. 719 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,840 Speaker 1: We are bound to one another forever. I don't know 720 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,880 Speaker 1: about you, but this fills me with energy. Richard Bach said, 721 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: don't be dismayed. Bye goodbyes. A farewell is necessary before 722 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: meeting again, and meeting again after moments or lifetimes is certain. 723 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:18,400 Speaker 1: For those who are friends, I say, friends, family, loved ones, pets, 724 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,839 Speaker 1: We get to see them all again. We live in 725 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,320 Speaker 1: this illusion called life. It's very painful, it's most of 726 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 1: the time not very fun, but it is for the 727 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,479 Speaker 1: growth the education of your soul, to learn to love, 728 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,480 Speaker 1: to learn to forgive, to learn to make a difference 729 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,360 Speaker 1: for another. So go out and have a lot of experiences. 730 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this. As a reminder, come visit 731 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,799 Speaker 1: me at We Don't Die dot com. We host the 732 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: free Sunday Gathering with Medium demonstration and we offer some 733 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 1: wonderful medium classes. There's nothing like having the experience of things. 734 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 1: It's just your imagination, but you're giving someone real, detailed 735 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: evidence about their loved one. I'm Sandra Champlain. You've been 736 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and 737 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:21,240 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network. 738 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,839 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 739 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,879 Speaker 2: Day and Paranormal podcast Network. Make sure and check out 740 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 2: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 741 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 2: to iHeartRadio dot com.