WEBVTT - Draft Show: Trade Up or Down? 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:10.799 Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.600 for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.040 confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star and Frisco. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:29.680 It is what is today, Tuesday, February twenty, twenty twenty four, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:34.960 and we are sixty five days away from the NFL. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:35.800 Confident about that. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.000 I am confident of sixty five days away from the 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.520 NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan. See, I got it right 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.520 there we go. It was still loading on my screen, 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.840 but sixty five days away and we're welcoming you into 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.240 the Draft Show, presented by Miller Lights alongside Nick Harris, 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.440 Saq Wolchuck, I'm Kyle Yeoman's a little bit of a 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:59.120 lighter crew today. No Aisha, no Bobby Nobrian this week, 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.600 but we will possibly have Aisha back on Thursday, and 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.880 then we will keep on rolling with Bobby and Brian 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.959 as well Chris Beam in the back. There is a 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:11.960 couple weeks here, and we talked about this a little 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.640 bit on Talking Cowboys earlier a Zach. But this is 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.640 just the lull of the offseason because there's no free agency. Yeah, 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.560 there's no combine yet, there's no numbers to go off of. 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:27.120 It's just basically conversation week before we go to ending 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.640 next week. But there's not a whole lot going on. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.520 But it's a chance for everybody to start watching a 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.039 lot of film, right it sure is. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.040 We can all get caught up if you know, during 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:37.800 the super Bowl week, like we were out there in 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.319 Vegas is our station with one O five through the fans. 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:42.319 So now is a really good time to dive in 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.080 right before the combine. We're gonna get a lot of 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.520 new information for the combine as well. I think some 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.120 of the most fun is just what's going on with 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.640 the Bears. You know, you've got all the rumors with 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.560 the trade possibilities with the number one overall pick. Do 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.680 they want to maintain stuff with their quarterback? I feel 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.240 like much like last year with the Bears move that 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.880 pick to Carolina, they are kind of controlling everything with 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.280 the draft. Is it a division rival that ends up 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.760 going ahead and swapping from two to get up to one, 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.160 which could be scary depending on how you feel about 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:11.000 Caleb Williams. 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.400 But I do think some of the trade. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.480 Draft scenarios now are where things start to get a 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.680 little juicy and fun as we start to see some 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.160 of these mock drafts come out and all these trade possibilities. Really, 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:23.400 I think you're catching my eye. 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.480 Yeah, gosh, if you're thinking about Chicago here and they 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.760 trade back to two, let's say Washington trades up to one, 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:31.720 they could still trade back and pick up more, so 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.120 they could from from there. So, yeah, they really have. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:35.320 The there are the great spots. 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:36.600 Yeah, they have the world in the palm of their 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.760 hands going into this draft. I think it's a really 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.320 good point. I think a lot of the things that 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.520 we're still kind of answering questions with as far as 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.040 the draft goes and the sixty five days before we 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.400 get there is what Chicago will do, and I think 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:50.079 there will be a huge trickle down effect as part 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:51.680 of that. So we'll just kind of see these next 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.560 few weeks go on. I think combin is gonna be 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:57.120 a really really important time for the Chicago front office 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:58.800 to get with some get with some people and see 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.400 what offers they like for both the number one overall 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.160 pick and Justin Fields or I had to bring both 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:05.959 of them in and kind of go from there, which 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.160 I would be shocked if that happens. But according to 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:09.960 reports out of Chicago, it's not out of the realm 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:10.760 of possibilities. 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:12.960 All things in Atlanta is interesting. I mean, you know 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.360 they're in the business for a quarterback there as well. 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.320 And where they're sitting in the first round do they 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:18.880 are they a team that wants to move up? Do 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.919 they want to get into conversations there with Justin Fields. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:22.639 Are they looking to. 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.400 Try and move from eight up into that top three? 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:27.440 And I think the Cowboys, and I know Brian has 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.399 mentioned this as well, at twenty four in the back 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.080 end of that first round, I mean, depending on how 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.280 many of these quarterbacks go off the board. I mean, 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:35.720 I think there's a lot of teams that do like 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.560 Michael Pennix junior, and you're starting to see JJ McCarthy 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.520 go pretty high in some of these mocks, which look, 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.000 I mean, I talked about it last week. I don't 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.640 necessarily view JJ McCarthy as one of those guys, but 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.080 other teams do they look at his skill set and say, hey, 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.360 that can be one of our organizational foundational pieces there 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.520 at quarterback. But at twenty four, Cowboys might be in 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.280 a good position where there's a team that wants to 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.800 move up that didn't end up getting their quarterback. They 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.600 want to get that fifth year option, and then you 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.640 can move back and trying to acquire some extra pick. 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:03.640 So that could be a sweet spot there at twenty four. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.320 We've talked about this a couple times already, the scenarios 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.560 that could play out whenever you are trading away and 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.119 you're trying to pick up selections in a draft where 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:12.880 you don't have a fourth round pick, fifth round pick, 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.920 sixth round pick before the comps come in later in 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.680 the process. But I think it's very likely that you 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.040 could get there now if the right players there at 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.680 twenty four and they sit in that draft room up there, 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.320 and they're sitting in the war room, and they're having 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:28.800 these conversations. They're saying, this guy can help us win 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.440 football games right now. I think all of a sudden, 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.240 you're taking the guy and you're not worrying about it 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.080 moving forward because you've got a head coach that's on 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.400 a one year deal that's got to win now. But 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.840 if you're saying, hey, there's three or four picks down 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.520 the road that we could maybe get to at twenty eight, 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.520 twenty nine, thirty that could still help us win now, 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:48.800 and you can pick up a second round and a 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:50.840 third round player that you could play at some point 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.120 down the line as well. I think you make that move. 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.320 I wanted to ask the question though, because you guys 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.520 brought it up. What are you doing if you're the 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.560 Chicago Bears at one? Are you trading the pick or 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.839 are you taking the quarterback first? Whoever it may be? 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:08.280 In Drake May I mean Caleb Williams yea, his favorite. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:09.599 It's easy for me. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.360 I'm taking Caleb Williams. Yeah, because I think and I 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.520 wonder your thoughts on this, Nick, but I'm resetting, you know, 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.640 my rookie contract scale. I think you've seen and I 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.520 think Justin Fields has potential change of scenery. I don't 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.680 think Justin Fields is a bad player. Health has been 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.599 an issue there. He has not had a lot to 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.560 work with. He's had constant turnover at offensive coordinator. They've 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.760 tried to rebuild that offensive line. He finally got a 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.440 good receiver this past year with Dj Moore, and I 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.680 thought he played some of his best football towards the 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.960 bat Cap. So I can see another team like the 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:42.000 Atlanta Falcons maybe wanting to say, hey, we're not in 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:43.760 the top three. We're not gonna get one of these 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.000 guys we'll trade for Justin Fields. Maybe it's their top 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.240 pick in the second round, but I'm taking Caleb Williams. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.440 I think he is just that much more of a prospect. Ken. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.200 Can you get a first round pick for Justin Fields? 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:53.880 I think so. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:55.960 Do you think you get a one? I think most 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:57.760 likely a high to top ten to one. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.480 Yeah. I don't think these teams Knew England, Arizona, La, 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.240 New York, Tennessee, Atlanta. I don't think they're trading their 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.640 pick this year for Justin Fields like that. Yeah, I 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.960 don't think they're doing that. But what you could see 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.240 doing is maybe one of these teams later on in Indianapolis, 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.640 they just drafted a quarterback, probably a bad example. One 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.120 of these other teams that doesn't have a quarterback that's 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.599 in the later parts of the first round. Then you 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.440 turn around and you say, hey, let's go get this 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.040 guy and we can ship this off, and all of 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.360 a sudden, you know what it could be is one 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.800 of those scenarios where it ends up being a second rounder, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.720 Like maybe it is Atlanta's second round pick forty three overall. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.440 But what you can do is put stipulations in the trade, 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.040 much like we've seen with Calvin Ridley and that move 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.640 that Atlanta did with Jacksonville, where if they go ahead 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.320 and resign him all of a sudden, that moves up 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.799 from a third to a second round pick. If Atlanta 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.919 makes the playoffs, now it's a first round pick for 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.839 next year or whatever it is. I mean, maybe there's 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:54.920 types of language that. 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:56.400 You can put in the deal, but I don't know 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:57.840 that a team's just going to give a straight up 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.400 one for Justin Fields right now. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.440 Yattle, it's a quarterback, it's a starting quarterback. I think 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.120 a one is necessary, at least that's what I think 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:08.360 Chicago would need. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.120 Yeah, I understand that it really depends what team is, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.520 what team is having that discussion with Chicago. At the 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.000 end of the day, you know what team is so 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:16.920 needy where they would give up a one. I think 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.160 you look at Denver, you look at Vegas, you look 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.600 at the Saints. I think those are and those guys 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.320 literally those teams twelve, thirteen to fourteen in the first round. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:30.840 Maybe gosh, I was thinking about Seattle. But if you're 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.920 trading for Justin Fields and you're trading A one. You're 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.160 expecting him to play this year and Gino Smith is 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.920 locked in there, so I don't know, it's it's going 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.960 to be an interesting, interesting decision for Chicago to make. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.280 But also any team that would be calling Chicago about 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.560 Justin Fields going into the fourth year of his rookie deal, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.400 a fifth year option you know still open to be exercised. 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.520 So that's a that's a two year quarterback rental basically 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.080 before you have to make the decision on signing him 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.360 long term or letting him walk, and or would you 0:07:58.400 --> 0:07:59.960 be okay letting him walk if you gave up a 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.240 first round pick? So that's those are the questions you 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:03.720 have to ask yourself if you're trying to trade for 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.120 Justin Fields there. But I again, man, Chicago's got all 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.120 of the cards right in their hand off fifty two 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.440 and they're just showing I know, they're showing everything. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.360 Now I'm a little envious. You know, it'd be fun 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.600 right now to be part of that bear that bears 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:16.120 war room. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:17.920 Because the first time you can say that while it is. 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:19.520 Because I mean and they got to hit on it. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.280 I mean, trust me, they're in a situation where if 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.520 they end up fumbling the bag on this, You're gonna 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.200 look back and say, oh my goodness. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.680 So what is Yeah. Absolutely people are gonna be losing 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.320 their jobs. Yeah. I was about to say when it's 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.760 fun for us to talk about that means it's probably 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:34.479 not super. 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.440 Fun decisions a lot of sleepless nights. 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.320 I do want to circle back as we talked about, 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.360 you know, the trade back scenario at twenty four, and 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.240 you said, like, okay, depending on who's on the board, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.280 and you're right, I mean that there's certain players that 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.120 you probably don't want to move off of. And as 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:47.800 we've kind of looked at some of these mocks and 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.560 we get a feel for, like, realistically the options of 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:52.559 who could be there at twenty four for the Cowboys? 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.080 Are there some names that you know, Okay, depending on 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.120 who's this team that's calling, whether it's Indie, whether it's Atlanta. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.240 I'm not moving on twenty four. I'm staying home and 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:02.120 I'm taking that pick. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.440 Are you asking are you asking do you stay You're 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:06.439 you're staying at twenty. 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:06.959 Foot or what? 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:07.480 Yeah? 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.280 Who would be the players where you're staying at twenty four? 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.840 I'm not trading mell Okay, Jacks Johnson, Oregon. 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.840 Other than that, like, I'm okay with kind of moving around. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:18.679 I think this tackle class is deep enough to where 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.280 you can kind of take a gamble. I'm moving back 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.040 three or four spots, and if you lose out on 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.080 a Jordan Morgan or Tyler Geiden, you can still jump 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:29.319 on a Kingsley Suemataiah or Goodness, I'm blanking off the 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.120 top of my head right now, but there's really good 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.200 tackles that you could still take in that late first round, 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:37.199 early second round type of range. Patrick Paul I've talked 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.120 about him a few times. Troy Fountain Oh out of Washington. 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:41.280 So that's that's another. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.199 One Mary's ms from Georgia. We brought him up. Can 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.960 we talk about Fountain O a little bit out of Washington. 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.080 I don't know if we've hit on him specifically. I 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.640 saw him mocked to the Cowboys in one specific mock 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.880 draft earlier this week, but anything there, I mean it 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:55.640 goes back to what you're talking about. The depth of 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.680 this tackle class is significant. So if you don't get 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.480 the America the mayor as mems early on, you don't 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:05.360 get the Morgan's or the Tyler Guidins, you can make 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.640 something happen. Why is Fonteo up there as a potential 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:09.040 as well? 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.760 Yeah, I think you look at between Fountain and Fatanu, 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.480 So I'm gonna go fountain O here. I think I've 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:16.040 said Fatanu and pass shows. We're just kind of go 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.920 show by show basis on that. He's got some guardflex, 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:23.280 He's got some He's shorter, shorter wingspan, but really violent 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.400 and how he plays guys in a close range. And 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:27.920 so you see that in what he was able to 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.440 do at Washington in that in that area, and you 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.480 want him playing in that phone booth at the next level. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.920 That's what some scouts are looking at. So he has 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.400 that guardflex that you could possibly slide him inside and 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.320 you can be comfortable doing that. Where that kind of 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.280 becomes tricky for the Cowboys is what do you do 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.280 with Tyler Smith in that instance? Do you push him 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.720 out to tackle or do you want Fountain no at tackle? 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:48.800 I think that's something you play with whenever you had 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.400 that guy in the building and you figure it out. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.120 I think if I'm making the pick in the first round, 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.360 I don't I'm getting a true tackle that can play 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.359 at left tackle and can be super mobile. Can be aggressive, 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.120 and there's no question about him being a left tackle. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.839 That's me But I also understand the case for wanting 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.400 a guy with a guard flex so you can have 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.840 a little bit more flexibility there as far as what 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:11.440 you can do with Tyler Smith, what you can do 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.640 with this new kid, and just kind of go from there. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.640 But I think Fountain No definitely falls into that latter 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:18.880 category as a guy who does have flex. If the 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.599 Cowboys pull the trigger on him, then they're gonna have 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:21.959 a lot of work to do near your training camp 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.520 to figure out what his position is best at. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.800 Yeah, I've got him as a guard. I just think 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:30.199 he's got that guard body type. Now, you're absolutely right, violent, 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.880 plays through the whistle, good body control, strength, uses his 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.240 hands well like his punch gets to the second level. 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.120 Can he play tackle? I do think he could, but 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:39.720 I think. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.320 He translates best to playing kicking inside and playing guard 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.559 at the next level. So if you're the Cowboys, I'm 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.000 looking at it. I am moving Tyler Smith back outside 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.320 to left tackle, and I'd be playing him at left guard, 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.600 or maybe he ends up being a future right guard 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.600 replacement if you wanted to move him over for Zach Martin, 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:57.280 depending on how many years he wants to play there. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.839 But I looked at him and just from my tapes 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:01.720 to because I mean he was listed at six to two. 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.800 I think he ended up measuring it at sixty four, 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.400 which was pretty good. So I mean, hey, he's a 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.559 little bit taller than I initially thought when you watch him, 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.160 just the way that he's built, I just think he 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.520 fits better inside of that guard spot. But he's smart 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:15.640 and he is a guy that you mentioned that flexibility 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.360 if you have injuries across the line. I do think 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.800 he's capable of kicking outside and playing tackle. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.800 I'm currently looking for his pronunciation guide. It's not easy. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.600 Washington didn't have it readily available, but we'll get there initially. 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.880 But do you have anybody that you what is your 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.280 short list of guys that you would stay at twenty 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:35.719 four to four? 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.920 Yeah, I mean I don't think that Fuaga is going 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.719 to make it to you there at twenty four, yes, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.520 but I would totally stay in there. So realistically, I'm 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.960 with you guys on Jackson, Powers, Johnson. I do love 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.240 Graham Barton. I know we got to look at the medicals. 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.000 Graham Barton's the guy that I would probably stay in 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:50.559 at twenty four. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:51.280 Make that pick. 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.640 If a lie to Lotsuo fell to you at twenty four, 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.720 I think I'd have to consider that as well, because 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.199 I love him as a player similar to Jared Verse. Otherwise, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.280 outside that, like any of those tackles, I do like 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.600 a bunch of these options, But I don't know that 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.000 I would be oh my gosh, I love Amarus Mims 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.640 so much, or I've got to sit in here and 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.520 take a Tyler get in the offensive tackle out of Oklahoma. 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.520 I think I would be willing to make that move 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.920 back to acquire some extra AMO depending on how far 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.240 that slide is, especially if you can get a one 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.640 for next year potentially thrown in. I think that's something 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.040 that I would consider. So I think for me, it's 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.559 really just one of those center prospects, whether it is 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.880 Barton Jackson, Power Johnson, or if you get one of 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:34.839 those studs to slide to you, like a Quinny and Mitchell, 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.120 the cornerback from Toledo, somebody that you're not expecting to 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.720 be there. Similar to a CD Lamb draft at seventeen, 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.280 when you're on the board, you're like, how the hell 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.400 is Ceedee Lamb sitting here. Those are probably the names 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.120 that I would be interested in the more that I. 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.080 Kind of crack down this first round and what teams 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.200 need and what they could potentially jump on. And this 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:51.880 is pretty free agency, so there's still a lot that 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:55.960 could play out in this scenario. But you look at seventeen, eighteen, 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.280 nineteen twenty in the first round, you got Jacksonville seventeen, 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:03.160 Cincinnati eighteen, Rams, nineteen Steelers twenty, what do you all 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.400 four of those teams have in common? They need offensive 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.400 line and you could make the case at all four 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.840 of those need tackles as well. So you have to 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.600 be able to be comfortable going into that first round 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.480 sticking at twenty four understanding that there's probably going to 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:16.920 be a run of offensive lineman. 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:17.880 Absolutely before you get there. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.000 And we've already talked about Miami's potential to jump on 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.720 a guy like Jackson Powers Johnson. I think Jackson Powers 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.720 Johnson could potentially go even earlier when you look at 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.720 a team like Jacksonville that can make a move like that. 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.960 But I think if you're comfortable with going into the 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.400 to the draft knowing that that could happen, then that 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.560 means you're also comfortable with trading back. So you just 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.320 kind of have to see as the drafted Shenanigans play out. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:40.960 I think we could have some though. I think there's 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.520 definitely a possibility to trade back. I think that should 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.000 be in the minds of everybody. I think going back 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.360 three four spots and picking up an extra pick somewhere 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.720 else where, I think you really need it. I think 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:51.680 it'd be a great decision. 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.520 Can something happen in free agency to shift that thinking 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.960 to say, Okay, we've done enough in free agency now 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.600 it's more likely for Dallas to trade backwards? 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:03.960 Yeah, I mean absolutely. I think if what would it 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:05.960 take to get to that point, you get a starting 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:07.000 caliber offensive lineman. 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.920 Yeah, yeah, you go ahead and maybe you sign one 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.080 of these centers that's going to be available in a 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.520 free agency, or you make a trade for a guy. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.760 You know that you have Tyrone Smith coming back, so 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.640 you're a little bit more solidified. You feel better at 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:19.600 left tackle as well. 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.320 How do you feel if you resign the guys that 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.120 you are putting on the free agency market, you get 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.040 Tyler Biattish back and you get Tyron Smith back, is 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.320 that going to stop you from drafting an offensive lineman in. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.040 The first It wouldn't stop me because I think you 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.040 know about the injury risk with Tyron, you know, and 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:37.840 so I think you need to upgrade and have a 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:39.720 better contingency plan there than what you. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.240 Have for the right answer, Zach. 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.720 So yeah, I'm still and I got into an argument 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.720 with some of the guys on the g Back Nation 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:48.880 as well about this. It's like, no, because that's a 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.760 one year deal and I don't care. The point is, Okay, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.440 if you take a guy in the first round you 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.040 want him to play year one, that's great, you love that. 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.400 But when you look back at the career and if 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.160 he doesn't pay a play a bunch your one, and 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.720 he will end up inevitably doing that because Tyrone has 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.160 not proven he can stay healthy throughout a full season 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:07.480 the next four years. 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:08.000 Did you get him? 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.200 If he's your starting left tackle, are you gonna look 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.360 back and be like, man, we just didn't get ten 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.280 games out of him. You're one as a rookie. No, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.160 you're not going to care if you got yourself a 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.640 good player. So now, none of that would stop me 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.120 from drafting alignment in the first round. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.320 I had a conversation with this with our great producer 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.560 Caden Gates, who does a lot of stuff behind the 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.320 scenes for the Cowboys, does a lot of stuff on 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.360 the TV side of things, and he listens to every 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.520 draft show, so he will hear this, and I have 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.680