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Speaker 4: lighter crew today. No Aisha, no Bobby Nobrian this week,
Speaker 4: but we will possibly have Aisha back on Thursday, and
Speaker 4: then we will keep on rolling with Bobby and Brian
Speaker 4: as well Chris Beam in the back. There is a
Speaker 4: couple weeks here, and we talked about this a little
Speaker 4: bit on Talking Cowboys earlier a Zach. But this is
Speaker 4: just the lull of the offseason because there's no free agency. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's no combine yet, there's no numbers to go off of.
Speaker 4: It's just basically conversation week before we go to ending
Speaker 4: next week. But there's not a whole lot going on.
Speaker 4: But it's a chance for everybody to start watching a
Speaker 4: lot of film, right it sure is.
Speaker 5: We can all get caught up if you know, during
Speaker 5: the super Bowl week, like we were out there in
Speaker 5: Vegas is our station with one O five through the fans.
Speaker 5: So now is a really good time to dive in
Speaker 5: right before the combine. We're gonna get a lot of
Speaker 5: new information for the combine as well. I think some
Speaker 5: of the most fun is just what's going on with
Speaker 5: the Bears. You know, you've got all the rumors with
Speaker 5: the trade possibilities with the number one overall pick. Do
Speaker 5: they want to maintain stuff with their quarterback? I feel
Speaker 5: like much like last year with the Bears move that
Speaker 5: pick to Carolina, they are kind of controlling everything with
Speaker 5: the draft. Is it a division rival that ends up
Speaker 5: going ahead and swapping from two to get up to one,
Speaker 5: which could be scary depending on how you feel about
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4: But I do think some of the trade.
Speaker 5: Draft scenarios now are where things start to get a
Speaker 5: little juicy and fun as we start to see some
Speaker 5: of these mock drafts come out and all these trade possibilities. Really,
Speaker 5: I think you're catching my eye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gosh, if you're thinking about Chicago here and they
Speaker 3: trade back to two, let's say Washington trades up to one,
Speaker 3: they could still trade back and pick up more, so
Speaker 3: they could from from there. So, yeah, they really have.
Speaker 4: The there are the great spots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have the world in the palm of their
Speaker 3: hands going into this draft. I think it's a really
Speaker 3: good point. I think a lot of the things that
Speaker 3: we're still kind of answering questions with as far as
Speaker 3: the draft goes and the sixty five days before we
Speaker 3: get there is what Chicago will do, and I think
Speaker 3: there will be a huge trickle down effect as part
Speaker 3: of that. So we'll just kind of see these next
Speaker 3: few weeks go on. I think combin is gonna be
Speaker 3: a really really important time for the Chicago front office
Speaker 3: to get with some get with some people and see
Speaker 3: what offers they like for both the number one overall
Speaker 3: pick and Justin Fields or I had to bring both
Speaker 3: of them in and kind of go from there, which
Speaker 3: I would be shocked if that happens. But according to
Speaker 3: reports out of Chicago, it's not out of the realm
Speaker 3: of possibilities.
Speaker 5: All things in Atlanta is interesting. I mean, you know
Speaker 5: they're in the business for a quarterback there as well.
Speaker 5: And where they're sitting in the first round do they
Speaker 5: are they a team that wants to move up? Do
Speaker 5: they want to get into conversations there with Justin Fields.
Speaker 4: Are they looking to.
Speaker 5: Try and move from eight up into that top three?
Speaker 5: And I think the Cowboys, and I know Brian has
Speaker 5: mentioned this as well, at twenty four in the back
Speaker 5: end of that first round, I mean, depending on how
Speaker 5: many of these quarterbacks go off the board. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of teams that do like
Speaker 5: Michael Pennix junior, and you're starting to see JJ McCarthy
Speaker 5: go pretty high in some of these mocks, which look,
Speaker 5: I mean, I talked about it last week. I don't
Speaker 5: necessarily view JJ McCarthy as one of those guys, but
Speaker 5: other teams do they look at his skill set and say, hey,
Speaker 5: that can be one of our organizational foundational pieces there
Speaker 5: at quarterback. But at twenty four, Cowboys might be in
Speaker 5: a good position where there's a team that wants to
Speaker 5: move up that didn't end up getting their quarterback. They
Speaker 5: want to get that fifth year option, and then you
Speaker 5: can move back and trying to acquire some extra pick.
Speaker 5: So that could be a sweet spot there at twenty four.
Speaker 4: We've talked about this a couple times already, the scenarios
Speaker 4: that could play out whenever you are trading away and
Speaker 4: you're trying to pick up selections in a draft where
Speaker 4: you don't have a fourth round pick, fifth round pick,
Speaker 4: sixth round pick before the comps come in later in
Speaker 4: the process. But I think it's very likely that you
Speaker 4: could get there now if the right players there at
Speaker 4: twenty four and they sit in that draft room up there,
Speaker 4: and they're sitting in the war room, and they're having
Speaker 4: these conversations. They're saying, this guy can help us win
Speaker 4: football games right now. I think all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: you're taking the guy and you're not worrying about it
Speaker 4: moving forward because you've got a head coach that's on
Speaker 4: a one year deal that's got to win now. But
Speaker 4: if you're saying, hey, there's three or four picks down
Speaker 4: the road that we could maybe get to at twenty eight,
Speaker 4: twenty nine, thirty that could still help us win now,
Speaker 4: and you can pick up a second round and a
Speaker 4: third round player that you could play at some point
Speaker 4: down the line as well. I think you make that move.
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask the question though, because you guys
Speaker 4: brought it up. What are you doing if you're the
Speaker 4: Chicago Bears at one? Are you trading the pick or
Speaker 4: are you taking the quarterback first? Whoever it may be?
Speaker 4: In Drake May I mean Caleb Williams yea, his favorite.
Speaker 4: It's easy for me.
Speaker 5: I'm taking Caleb Williams. Yeah, because I think and I
Speaker 5: wonder your thoughts on this, Nick, but I'm resetting, you know,
Speaker 5: my rookie contract scale. I think you've seen and I
Speaker 5: think Justin Fields has potential change of scenery. I don't
Speaker 5: think Justin Fields is a bad player. Health has been
Speaker 5: an issue there. He has not had a lot to
Speaker 5: work with. He's had constant turnover at offensive coordinator. They've
Speaker 5: tried to rebuild that offensive line. He finally got a
Speaker 5: good receiver this past year with Dj Moore, and I
Speaker 5: thought he played some of his best football towards the
Speaker 5: bat Cap. So I can see another team like the
Speaker 5: Atlanta Falcons maybe wanting to say, hey, we're not in
Speaker 5: the top three. We're not gonna get one of these
Speaker 5: guys we'll trade for Justin Fields. Maybe it's their top
Speaker 5: pick in the second round, but I'm taking Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4: I think he is just that much more of a prospect. Ken.
Speaker 4: Can you get a first round pick for Justin Fields?
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 5: Do you think you get a one? I think most
Speaker 5: likely a high to top ten to one.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't think these teams Knew England, Arizona, La,
Speaker 4: New York, Tennessee, Atlanta. I don't think they're trading their
Speaker 4: pick this year for Justin Fields like that. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't think they're doing that. But what you could see
Speaker 4: doing is maybe one of these teams later on in Indianapolis,
Speaker 4: they just drafted a quarterback, probably a bad example. One
Speaker 4: of these other teams that doesn't have a quarterback that's
Speaker 4: in the later parts of the first round. Then you
Speaker 4: turn around and you say, hey, let's go get this
Speaker 4: guy and we can ship this off, and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, you know what it could be is one
Speaker 4: of those scenarios where it ends up being a second rounder,
Speaker 4: Like maybe it is Atlanta's second round pick forty three overall.
Speaker 4: But what you can do is put stipulations in the trade,
Speaker 4: much like we've seen with Calvin Ridley and that move
Speaker 4: that Atlanta did with Jacksonville, where if they go ahead
Speaker 4: and resign him all of a sudden, that moves up
Speaker 4: from a third to a second round pick. If Atlanta
Speaker 4: makes the playoffs, now it's a first round pick for
Speaker 4: next year or whatever it is. I mean, maybe there's
Speaker 4: types of language that.
Speaker 5: You can put in the deal, but I don't know
Speaker 5: that a team's just going to give a straight up
Speaker 5: one for Justin Fields right now.
Speaker 4: Yattle, it's a quarterback, it's a starting quarterback. I think
Speaker 4: a one is necessary, at least that's what I think
Speaker 4: Chicago would need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that it really depends what team is,
Speaker 3: what team is having that discussion with Chicago. At the
Speaker 3: end of the day, you know what team is so
Speaker 3: needy where they would give up a one. I think
Speaker 3: you look at Denver, you look at Vegas, you look
Speaker 3: at the Saints. I think those are and those guys
Speaker 3: literally those teams twelve, thirteen to fourteen in the first round.
Speaker 3: Maybe gosh, I was thinking about Seattle. But if you're
Speaker 3: trading for Justin Fields and you're trading A one. You're
Speaker 3: expecting him to play this year and Gino Smith is
Speaker 3: locked in there, so I don't know, it's it's going
Speaker 3: to be an interesting, interesting decision for Chicago to make.
Speaker 3: But also any team that would be calling Chicago about
Speaker 3: Justin Fields going into the fourth year of his rookie deal,
Speaker 3: a fifth year option you know still open to be exercised.
Speaker 3: So that's a that's a two year quarterback rental basically
Speaker 3: before you have to make the decision on signing him
Speaker 3: long term or letting him walk, and or would you
Speaker 3: be okay letting him walk if you gave up a
Speaker 3: first round pick? So that's those are the questions you
Speaker 3: have to ask yourself if you're trying to trade for
Speaker 3: Justin Fields there. But I again, man, Chicago's got all
Speaker 3: of the cards right in their hand off fifty two
Speaker 3: and they're just showing I know, they're showing everything.
Speaker 5: Now I'm a little envious. You know, it'd be fun
Speaker 5: right now to be part of that bear that bears
Speaker 5: war room.
Speaker 3: Because the first time you can say that while it is.
Speaker 4: Because I mean and they got to hit on it.
Speaker 5: I mean, trust me, they're in a situation where if
Speaker 5: they end up fumbling the bag on this, You're gonna
Speaker 5: look back and say, oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: So what is Yeah. Absolutely people are gonna be losing
Speaker 4: their jobs. Yeah. I was about to say when it's
Speaker 4: fun for us to talk about that means it's probably
Speaker 4: not super.
Speaker 3: Fun decisions a lot of sleepless nights.
Speaker 5: I do want to circle back as we talked about,
Speaker 5: you know, the trade back scenario at twenty four, and
Speaker 5: you said, like, okay, depending on who's on the board,
Speaker 5: and you're right, I mean that there's certain players that
Speaker 5: you probably don't want to move off of. And as
Speaker 5: we've kind of looked at some of these mocks and
Speaker 5: we get a feel for, like, realistically the options of
Speaker 5: who could be there at twenty four for the Cowboys?
Speaker 5: Are there some names that you know, Okay, depending on
Speaker 5: who's this team that's calling, whether it's Indie, whether it's Atlanta.
Speaker 4: I'm not moving on twenty four. I'm staying home and
Speaker 4: I'm taking that pick.
Speaker 3: Are you asking are you asking do you stay You're
Speaker 3: you're staying at twenty.
Speaker 4: Foot or what?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Who would be the players where you're staying at twenty four?
Speaker 4: I'm not trading mell Okay, Jacks Johnson, Oregon.
Speaker 3: Other than that, like, I'm okay with kind of moving around.
Speaker 3: I think this tackle class is deep enough to where
Speaker 3: you can kind of take a gamble. I'm moving back
Speaker 3: three or four spots, and if you lose out on
Speaker 3: a Jordan Morgan or Tyler Geiden, you can still jump
Speaker 3: on a Kingsley Suemataiah or Goodness, I'm blanking off the
Speaker 3: top of my head right now, but there's really good
Speaker 3: tackles that you could still take in that late first round,
Speaker 3: early second round type of range. Patrick Paul I've talked
Speaker 3: about him a few times. Troy Fountain Oh out of Washington.
Speaker 3: So that's that's another.
Speaker 4: One Mary's ms from Georgia. We brought him up. Can
Speaker 4: we talk about Fountain O a little bit out of Washington.
Speaker 4: I don't know if we've hit on him specifically. I
Speaker 4: saw him mocked to the Cowboys in one specific mock
Speaker 4: draft earlier this week, but anything there, I mean it
Speaker 4: goes back to what you're talking about. The depth of
Speaker 4: this tackle class is significant. So if you don't get
Speaker 4: the America the mayor as mems early on, you don't
Speaker 4: get the Morgan's or the Tyler Guidins, you can make
Speaker 4: something happen. Why is Fonteo up there as a potential
Speaker 4: as well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you look at between Fountain and Fatanu,
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go fountain O here. I think I've
Speaker 3: said Fatanu and pass shows. We're just kind of go
Speaker 3: show by show basis on that. He's got some guardflex,
Speaker 3: He's got some He's shorter, shorter wingspan, but really violent
Speaker 3: and how he plays guys in a close range. And
Speaker 3: so you see that in what he was able to
Speaker 3: do at Washington in that in that area, and you
Speaker 3: want him playing in that phone booth at the next level.
Speaker 3: That's what some scouts are looking at. So he has
Speaker 3: that guardflex that you could possibly slide him inside and
Speaker 3: you can be comfortable doing that. Where that kind of
Speaker 3: becomes tricky for the Cowboys is what do you do
Speaker 3: with Tyler Smith in that instance? Do you push him
Speaker 3: out to tackle or do you want Fountain no at tackle?
Speaker 3: I think that's something you play with whenever you had
Speaker 3: that guy in the building and you figure it out.
Speaker 3: I think if I'm making the pick in the first round,
Speaker 3: I don't I'm getting a true tackle that can play
Speaker 3: at left tackle and can be super mobile. Can be aggressive,
Speaker 3: and there's no question about him being a left tackle.
Speaker 3: That's me But I also understand the case for wanting
Speaker 3: a guy with a guard flex so you can have
Speaker 3: a little bit more flexibility there as far as what
Speaker 3: you can do with Tyler Smith, what you can do
Speaker 3: with this new kid, and just kind of go from there.
Speaker 3: But I think Fountain No definitely falls into that latter
Speaker 3: category as a guy who does have flex. If the
Speaker 3: Cowboys pull the trigger on him, then they're gonna have
Speaker 3: a lot of work to do near your training camp
Speaker 3: to figure out what his position is best at.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got him as a guard. I just think
Speaker 5: he's got that guard body type. Now, you're absolutely right, violent,
Speaker 5: plays through the whistle, good body control, strength, uses his
Speaker 5: hands well like his punch gets to the second level.
Speaker 4: Can he play tackle? I do think he could, but
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 5: He translates best to playing kicking inside and playing guard
Speaker 5: at the next level. So if you're the Cowboys, I'm
Speaker 5: looking at it. I am moving Tyler Smith back outside
Speaker 5: to left tackle, and I'd be playing him at left guard,
Speaker 5: or maybe he ends up being a future right guard
Speaker 5: replacement if you wanted to move him over for Zach Martin,
Speaker 5: depending on how many years he wants to play there.
Speaker 5: But I looked at him and just from my tapes
Speaker 5: to because I mean he was listed at six to two.
Speaker 5: I think he ended up measuring it at sixty four,
Speaker 5: which was pretty good. So I mean, hey, he's a
Speaker 5: little bit taller than I initially thought when you watch him,
Speaker 5: just the way that he's built, I just think he
Speaker 5: fits better inside of that guard spot. But he's smart
Speaker 5: and he is a guy that you mentioned that flexibility
Speaker 5: if you have injuries across the line. I do think
Speaker 5: he's capable of kicking outside and playing tackle.
Speaker 4: I'm currently looking for his pronunciation guide. It's not easy.
Speaker 4: Washington didn't have it readily available, but we'll get there initially.
Speaker 4: But do you have anybody that you what is your
Speaker 4: short list of guys that you would stay at twenty
Speaker 4: four to four?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I don't think that Fuaga is going
Speaker 5: to make it to you there at twenty four, yes,
Speaker 5: but I would totally stay in there. So realistically, I'm
Speaker 5: with you guys on Jackson, Powers, Johnson. I do love
Speaker 5: Graham Barton. I know we got to look at the medicals.
Speaker 5: Graham Barton's the guy that I would probably stay in
Speaker 5: at twenty four.
Speaker 4: Make that pick.
Speaker 5: If a lie to Lotsuo fell to you at twenty four,
Speaker 5: I think I'd have to consider that as well, because
Speaker 5: I love him as a player similar to Jared Verse. Otherwise,
Speaker 5: outside that, like any of those tackles, I do like
Speaker 5: a bunch of these options, But I don't know that
Speaker 5: I would be oh my gosh, I love Amarus Mims
Speaker 5: so much, or I've got to sit in here and
Speaker 5: take a Tyler get in the offensive tackle out of Oklahoma.
Speaker 5: I think I would be willing to make that move
Speaker 5: back to acquire some extra AMO depending on how far
Speaker 5: that slide is, especially if you can get a one
Speaker 5: for next year potentially thrown in. I think that's something
Speaker 5: that I would consider. So I think for me, it's
Speaker 5: really just one of those center prospects, whether it is
Speaker 5: Barton Jackson, Power Johnson, or if you get one of
Speaker 5: those studs to slide to you, like a Quinny and Mitchell,
Speaker 5: the cornerback from Toledo, somebody that you're not expecting to
Speaker 5: be there. Similar to a CD Lamb draft at seventeen,
Speaker 5: when you're on the board, you're like, how the hell
Speaker 5: is Ceedee Lamb sitting here. Those are probably the names
Speaker 5: that I would be interested in the more that I.
Speaker 3: Kind of crack down this first round and what teams
Speaker 3: need and what they could potentially jump on. And this
Speaker 3: is pretty free agency, so there's still a lot that
Speaker 3: could play out in this scenario. But you look at seventeen, eighteen,
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty in the first round, you got Jacksonville seventeen,
Speaker 3: Cincinnati eighteen, Rams, nineteen Steelers twenty, what do you all
Speaker 3: four of those teams have in common? They need offensive
Speaker 3: line and you could make the case at all four
Speaker 3: of those need tackles as well. So you have to
Speaker 3: be able to be comfortable going into that first round
Speaker 3: sticking at twenty four understanding that there's probably going to
Speaker 3: be a run of offensive lineman.
Speaker 4: Absolutely before you get there.
Speaker 3: And we've already talked about Miami's potential to jump on
Speaker 3: a guy like Jackson Powers Johnson. I think Jackson Powers
Speaker 3: Johnson could potentially go even earlier when you look at
Speaker 3: a team like Jacksonville that can make a move like that.
Speaker 3: But I think if you're comfortable with going into the
Speaker 3: to the draft knowing that that could happen, then that
Speaker 3: means you're also comfortable with trading back. So you just
Speaker 3: kind of have to see as the drafted Shenanigans play out.
Speaker 3: I think we could have some though. I think there's
Speaker 3: definitely a possibility to trade back. I think that should
Speaker 3: be in the minds of everybody. I think going back
Speaker 3: three four spots and picking up an extra pick somewhere
Speaker 3: else where, I think you really need it. I think
Speaker 3: it'd be a great decision.
Speaker 4: Can something happen in free agency to shift that thinking
Speaker 4: to say, Okay, we've done enough in free agency now
Speaker 4: it's more likely for Dallas to trade backwards?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean absolutely. I think if what would it
Speaker 3: take to get to that point, you get a starting
Speaker 3: caliber offensive lineman.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you go ahead and maybe you sign one
Speaker 5: of these centers that's going to be available in a
Speaker 5: free agency, or you make a trade for a guy.
Speaker 5: You know that you have Tyrone Smith coming back, so
Speaker 5: you're a little bit more solidified. You feel better at
Speaker 5: left tackle as well.
Speaker 4: How do you feel if you resign the guys that
Speaker 4: you are putting on the free agency market, you get
Speaker 4: Tyler Biattish back and you get Tyron Smith back, is
Speaker 4: that going to stop you from drafting an offensive lineman in.
Speaker 5: The first It wouldn't stop me because I think you
Speaker 5: know about the injury risk with Tyron, you know, and
Speaker 5: so I think you need to upgrade and have a
Speaker 5: better contingency plan there than what you.
Speaker 4: Have for the right answer, Zach.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm still and I got into an argument
Speaker 5: with some of the guys on the g Back Nation
Speaker 5: as well about this. It's like, no, because that's a
Speaker 5: one year deal and I don't care. The point is, Okay,
Speaker 5: if you take a guy in the first round you
Speaker 5: want him to play year one, that's great, you love that.
Speaker 5: But when you look back at the career and if
Speaker 5: he doesn't pay a play a bunch your one, and
Speaker 5: he will end up inevitably doing that because Tyrone has
Speaker 5: not proven he can stay healthy throughout a full season
Speaker 5: the next four years.
Speaker 4: Did you get him?
Speaker 5: If he's your starting left tackle, are you gonna look
Speaker 5: back and be like, man, we just didn't get ten
Speaker 5: games out of him. You're one as a rookie. No,
Speaker 5: you're not going to care if you got yourself a
Speaker 5: good player. So now, none of that would stop me
Speaker 5: from drafting alignment in the first round.
Speaker 4: I had a conversation with this with our great producer
Speaker 4: Caden Gates, who does a lot of stuff behind the
Speaker 4: scenes for the Cowboys, does a lot of stuff on
Speaker 4: the TV side of things, and he listens to every
Speaker 4: draft show, so he will hear this, and I have
Speaker 4: no problem bringing this up. But it's a good conversation,
Speaker 4: he said. From Mike McCarthy's standpoint, is he okay making
Speaker 4: a selection knowing that you as if you bring back
Speaker 4: Tyron Smith, you're not going to see your first round
Speaker 4: pick or any production out of your first round pick
Speaker 4: except for a handful of games where Tyron Smith is out.
Speaker 4: Would he be okay doing that? And my answer back
Speaker 4: to him was I think he would be because it's
Speaker 4: not a normal situation. You expect Tyron Smith to miss games,
Speaker 4: You expected him to miss time. Would you rather have
Speaker 4: a guy elsewhere that's having production. Sure, I'm sure that
Speaker 4: would be very much so welcome for Mike McCarthy. But
Speaker 4: you also have a contingency plan, so if Tyron Smith
Speaker 4: goes out, you're not automatically up a creek without a paddle. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: you've got that plan of somebody that where you can
Speaker 4: put something in there, someone in there, and confidently have
Speaker 4: your offensive line taking care of it.
Speaker 5: Right, I mean, if you have better replacements in place
Speaker 5: in games like Arizona and Miami this year, do you
Speaker 5: win those football games?
Speaker 4: It's a fair question, right, So I think it matters.
Speaker 5: It matters for seeding all of these games we've seen
Speaker 5: with the NFCS going down to some of the final weeks,
Speaker 5: the final game of the season. I don't think that
Speaker 5: it would be a reason why. I get it. It's
Speaker 5: kind of a make or break type of season. I'm
Speaker 5: just want to take the best player. And I think
Speaker 5: offensive linemen that's always a position that you can go
Speaker 5: ahead and hit and it's going to strengthen your football team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've been really good at drafting off, really
Speaker 4: good at it.
Speaker 5: They say, hey, this is a first round lineman, want
Speaker 5: to take him. I'm saying, hey, go ahead and do it.
Speaker 5: Being an Oro, get half.
Speaker 3: Of that guy from tol go ahead, Yeah, do it?
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Speaker 4: better and better every single week. Okay, Tom Downey, good
Speaker 4: friend of the show, says, who wins it? A state
Speaker 4: steel cage match? From on the Draft Show, hosts go,
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding. This is not what we're going to
Speaker 4: talk about today. It would be pretty funny to talk about,
Speaker 4: but we've got only a limited amount of time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Chris Bean would win. There you go, all right. Anthony
Speaker 4: Gibbs says if the Cowboys decided to re sign Pollard
Speaker 4: to a team friendly deal, which running back in this
Speaker 4: draft class would be the best compliment to Tony Pollard
Speaker 4: in your opinion.
Speaker 3: We've had this conversation on this show before. I think
Speaker 3: there's a couple of guys, I know, the guy that
Speaker 3: you like a lot talking about me. Yeah, yeah, exactly
Speaker 3: what we got to go with here, Bucky Irving. I
Speaker 3: think there's so much that you can do with him,
Speaker 3: and it would be the perfect transition period too. I
Speaker 3: think if you were to bring back Pollard on a
Speaker 3: one or two year deal, bring in Bucky Irving and
Speaker 3: let him sit as the complimentary type guy for one
Speaker 3: or two seasons, and it would not surprise me if
Speaker 3: by the end of those one or two seasons Bucky
Speaker 3: Irving is taking the majority of those snaps and being
Speaker 3: the being the feature guy there. I think he's I
Speaker 3: think he's going to be a player in this league
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I like Bucky Irving. I think that's definitely a good name.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think Trey Benson is the best running
Speaker 5: back in the draft. If you were to take one
Speaker 5: in the second round, I.
Speaker 3: Agree with you. If you re signed Pollard, do you
Speaker 3: do get Benson in the second though?
Speaker 4: That's yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean I think it depends on how many years
Speaker 5: is the polar deal? Is another one year contract?
Speaker 4: Two? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I still think I'd be interested there,
Speaker 5: But if not, I think you guys know. I do
Speaker 5: like Audric Estime from Notre Dame. I think he's got
Speaker 5: the perfect size. He's well built, strong, lower body, weaving
Speaker 5: style of runner. He's good with his jump cuts. I
Speaker 5: think he's a good player. And then to me, I'm
Speaker 5: a big fan of Jalen Right from Tennessee. I just
Speaker 5: always keep coming back to him and Ray Davis, the
Speaker 5: running back from Kentucky.
Speaker 4: But there's something.
Speaker 5: About Jalen Wright that, you know, if you want to
Speaker 5: go in the third or fourth round for either of
Speaker 5: those guys, I think that they're going to excel at
Speaker 5: the next level. Specifically Jalen Wright, who is in a
Speaker 5: split backfield there at Tennessee. I think he's got good vision.
Speaker 5: He is an explosive playmaker type of guy. I know,
Speaker 5: maybe if you're looking at it, Okay, a compliment to Pollard.
Speaker 5: Do you want maybe more of a physical, bruising type
Speaker 5: of runner to Pollard who is the burner type, and
Speaker 5: hopefully he gets that long speed back being in more
Speaker 5: eyear removed after the injury.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just think that he's a guy that can catch
Speaker 5: the ball in the backfield. I like jenlen Wright quite
Speaker 5: a bit five eleven, two ten out of Tennessee.
Speaker 3: I think another question to the same point is, let's
Speaker 3: say that the Cowboys resigned Tony Pollard on a one
Speaker 3: or two year deal. Does that give them a little
Speaker 3: bit more flexibility to take a guy like Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 3: who you might not have to begin the season, So
Speaker 3: you can work in guys like Mullen, Davis, Stu's fond
Speaker 3: in the beginning of the year, see what they can
Speaker 3: bring from from that perspective, and then once you get
Speaker 3: to beginning of October, you can really start to ramp
Speaker 3: up Brooks and see what he can do. From a
Speaker 3: complimentary standpoint with Pollard. Because we talked about on this show,
Speaker 3: if you don't resign Pollard, you need a back that
Speaker 3: can come in and play. Yeah, so you kind of
Speaker 3: write off Brooks that from that perspective, if you're able
Speaker 3: to resign Pollard, though, I think that gives you that
Speaker 3: flexibility of Brian Brooks.
Speaker 5: I think that's a great point. It would make me
Speaker 5: feel much better about going for Jonathan brooks. S's that
Speaker 5: could be a red shirt year and the Cowboys will
Speaker 5: know their doctor did his surgery, so they'll know exactly
Speaker 5: kind of where he's looking at. That's a great fit
Speaker 5: Jonathan Brooks. I mean, if it weren't for the injury,
Speaker 5: he might be my number one running back in the draft.
Speaker 5: I think him and Benson are won two. The other
Speaker 5: name that I'll throw out there if you just want
Speaker 5: in terms of pure compliment, kind of a bigger back
Speaker 5: next to Paulo would be Isaac Grendo, the running back
Speaker 5: from Louisville who.
Speaker 4: We got to see here at the start. That dude is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked about him a little big subtle, but
Speaker 5: I mean he moves so well for his size at
Speaker 5: six one two twenty five bigger back, but he can
Speaker 5: also catch the ball on the backfield.
Speaker 3: A little bit of injury concerns there hamstring, and he's
Speaker 3: had a list frank injury as well. That's same injury
Speaker 3: that Jordan Lewis suffered a couple of years ago. But
Speaker 3: a four year guy at Wisconsin before transferring to Louisville.
Speaker 3: I think he's a guy that could be that third
Speaker 3: down type of guy. But also he's got some legit speed,
Speaker 3: like he does breakaway speed. He could be up back
Speaker 3: at the next level. I think that could surprise some
Speaker 3: people too. But I think he's a Day three guy.
Speaker 3: You can get a lot of value from Greed.
Speaker 4: Maybe not the day three value that you're talking about,
Speaker 4: but I'm still I'm all over Korum from Michigan. But
Speaker 4: I just think from a even though he's got the
Speaker 4: the carries and the wear and the tear of going
Speaker 4: through Big ten seasons and being the bell cow for
Speaker 4: the National Championship Wolverines, I still think he would be
Speaker 4: a fun compliment for Tony Pollard. And you're taking a
Speaker 4: chance on a guy who had production in college and
Speaker 4: is a completely different run style than what Tony Hot
Speaker 4: Pollard brings to the tape. Sure, all right, let's play
Speaker 4: this game again, says Red on Twitter. He says, what
Speaker 4: would be your favorite same school draft combo for the
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys any round? But just two players coming from
Speaker 4: the same university.
Speaker 3: This is so easy for me. Jackson Powers, Johnson and
Speaker 3: Buckie are.
Speaker 4: Yeahang man, you love the Ducks, don't you?
Speaker 3: In this draft class, absolutely, There's been other draft classes.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not Dan Lanning. I think he's doing something there
Speaker 3: up in Eugene. You see what he was able to
Speaker 3: do as far as developing defensive talent whenever he was
Speaker 3: at or excuse me, at Georgia defensive coordinator under Kirby
Speaker 3: Smart for a long period of time, whenever they were
Speaker 3: starting that diners out there in Athens and bringing that
Speaker 3: to Oregon. He brought a lot of personnel guys with
Speaker 3: him to Georgia that had those same kind of philosophies
Speaker 3: and mindsets, and they look for a specific type of
Speaker 3: player and that translates to the offensive side of the
Speaker 3: ball too. They get mean, nasty guys, physical guys, big
Speaker 3: prototype type bodies, and they develop those guys at the
Speaker 3: next level so well. So yeah, I trust where Oregon's
Speaker 3: at right now.
Speaker 4: Just for Funzi's which could really help this team a lot.
Speaker 4: Let's go at T.
Speaker 5: Sweat and Jalen Ford from the University of Texas. Okay,
Speaker 5: I think you know if T Sweat. If you could
Speaker 5: land him in the second round, maybe go Jalen Ford
Speaker 5: in the third of the fourth. I'd be into that.
Speaker 5: I mean, Jalen Ford's a player. Senior Bowl invite, we
Speaker 5: know he was out there a lot of experience. We
Speaker 5: got to cover him there at Frisco Long Star. I
Speaker 5: think T Sweat We've talked about a lot. I mean,
Speaker 5: he fits exactly what this team needs. They tried to
Speaker 5: get it with Mazzie Smith, but tough guy to move.
Speaker 4: I mean, heck, you could throw Byron Murphy in there
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 5: But Jalen Ford's a guy that I think two years
Speaker 5: ago in terms of coverage, maybe the tape a little
Speaker 5: bit better than this past year. But I think he's
Speaker 5: a guy that can run with ty ends. You know,
Speaker 5: sometimes he'll struggle to shed and get off some of
Speaker 5: the bigger linemen consistently. But that's why you want to
Speaker 5: have that T Sweat in front of him. Some of
Speaker 5: those bigger bodies that really did a great job at
Speaker 5: keeping him clean. High motor works towards the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5: Sure tackler big fan of Jalen Ford out of Texas
Speaker 5: as well. I mean Texas has some guys we've had
Speaker 5: drafts where they have had nobody taken. This year, you
Speaker 5: look at the University of Texas and there's some players
Speaker 5: that you really really like.
Speaker 3: I think something very interesting about Jalen Four too. He
Speaker 3: had an opportunity to come out as a junior. He
Speaker 3: was getting Day two type of love at that point.
Speaker 3: He's like, Hey, if you have a really good process,
Speaker 3: really good combine, you can go out there. You could
Speaker 3: possibly be a third round pick. Didn't have as great
Speaker 3: of a year this past season, and that's not to
Speaker 3: say he didn't have a good year at all, and
Speaker 3: he was a really big part of that defense that
Speaker 3: Texas put together behind defensive coordinator peek with Kowski, and
Speaker 3: he was a big part of what they did from
Speaker 3: just being able to kind of be a traffic cop
Speaker 3: for the defense and manage everything and do what he
Speaker 3: does in the second level. But I think there's still
Speaker 3: a lot of value you can get there. Because he's
Speaker 3: starting to slip to early Day three in this year's draft,
Speaker 3: it's a little bit deeper at linebacker, So yeah, I
Speaker 3: think there's not an opportunity to take a guy like
Speaker 3: a Jayalen Four in the fourth or fifth and get
Speaker 3: a really good value out of it.
Speaker 5: I wish it was just a little more sold on
Speaker 5: Van Pran out of Georgia. It's not like I don't
Speaker 5: like him, but I'm not in love with him, because
Speaker 5: then I could pair him with Bullard, my safety, who
Speaker 5: I adore.
Speaker 4: See I so initially I was going to make the
Speaker 4: joke of Michigan just because of how that worked out
Speaker 4: in the past, and everybody would just kind of make
Speaker 4: the joke. There are two good Michigan players that you
Speaker 4: that would help your football team. Junior Colson the linebacker,
Speaker 4: and you've got Blake korm who we just mentioned it earlier.
Speaker 4: That would be a fun little double dip. Guys.
Speaker 5: Junior Colson's he's he's nice. I think he's my number
Speaker 5: one line he.
Speaker 4: Might be up there. I have him as number four
Speaker 4: right now, mostly because I'm a coward. I need to
Speaker 4: move him up though, I mean it's because I don't
Speaker 4: want to put him above Peyton Wilson and Jeremiah Trotter
Speaker 4: Junior because I love those two guys.
Speaker 5: But Colson, why in fairness a right, Peyton Wilson is
Speaker 5: my favorite linebacker, right and the only reason I've like
Speaker 5: kind of you know, tapered off is because of the
Speaker 5: medical issues with him.
Speaker 4: It's that's kind of all of that.
Speaker 5: But man, Junior Coulson and I get it, like there's
Speaker 5: the phobia of the Michigan But he's big and you
Speaker 5: watch him in that college football playoff and he is
Speaker 5: running around with a club on his hand against Alabama
Speaker 5: in the National Championship game against Washington and he is
Speaker 5: making every single tackle and he can cover. He's a
Speaker 5: three down player, which is important. You need to look
Speaker 5: at that in today's game. Is he gonna be on
Speaker 5: the field for two downs and you have to sub
Speaker 5: ount nickel and dime packages. No, you can leave Junior
Speaker 5: Colson out there. I've got a second round great on him,
Speaker 5: but I do think he might be the best all
Speaker 5: around linebacker in the draft.
Speaker 4: I've got a second on him as well. It's like
Speaker 4: a late second right now. I think he's a legitimate player.
Speaker 4: The other one I was gonna say, though, was your
Speaker 4: Georgia connection. Why not a Marius Mimsy and Lad mcconkley
Speaker 4: at the second level the wide receiver.
Speaker 5: Get get a little funzo at the end of it.
Speaker 5: You know, McConkey is just hockey is he is so shifty.
Speaker 5: I mean he played basketball as well in high school.
Speaker 5: A smaller guy, right, So you look at the catch radius,
Speaker 5: it's not quite there, but he is so quick. He
Speaker 5: wins immediately off the line of scrimmage, the natural separation
Speaker 5: and you look at these next gen stats that come
Speaker 5: out in Ceedee Lamb. I think drank second in the
Speaker 5: entire NFL when it came to separation, which is a
Speaker 5: credit also to Mike McCarthy and some of the scheme
Speaker 5: in the design that they're doing offensively. But Lad McConkie
Speaker 5: has just a natural ability to look and he's got
Speaker 5: three to five yards, he's wide open. He dominates over
Speaker 5: the middle feast with those crossing rounds, which you know
Speaker 5: the Cowboys really love. I mean Mems I said it
Speaker 5: last week. Would it shock me if Amarus Mims we
Speaker 5: look up four years from now and he's the best
Speaker 5: tackle out of this class. No, he's got extreme talent.
Speaker 5: The question is you look at seven eight games started,
Speaker 5: but in those games where he played, he was playing
Speaker 5: in high leverage situations.
Speaker 4: Is really really good.
Speaker 5: But Lad McConkie is a fun player and he can
Speaker 5: be a factor on special teams and the hands. I mean,
Speaker 5: he might have some of the best hands in the
Speaker 5: entire class.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think something very interesting about the receiver position in
Speaker 3: regards to the Dallas Cowboys going into free agency, you
Speaker 3: don't really have room right now to take a receiver
Speaker 3: in the top three rounds. I think there should be
Speaker 3: an emphasis going into free agency to be able to
Speaker 3: have that flexibility after free agency reps. You would love
Speaker 3: to be able to grab a receiver in the third
Speaker 3: round and not feel like, oh God, we really got
Speaker 3: to hit on this guy or else.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at wins first pick, and I'm looking at
Speaker 4: McConkie in the third.
Speaker 3: That's kind of why mccaukie is not going to be
Speaker 3: there in the third.
Speaker 4: I've got him in the second two.
Speaker 3: I don't think I think he could be a late first.
Speaker 3: He could be a late first, early late one to
Speaker 3: early second. I would take him early second, but the
Speaker 3: late first it would not surprise.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 5: It's interesting because a guy that got a ton of
Speaker 5: love after the Senior Bowl was Roman Wilson from Michigan.
Speaker 4: I think McConkie's better than Wilson. I think both of
Speaker 4: really good, but I'd take McConkie over Wilson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I think there's I've talked about.
Speaker 4: I think I would put Wilson over him because of
Speaker 4: the size. Yeah, I guyes a little bit and I
Speaker 4: do like what he can do on the outside. Definitely
Speaker 4: a better blocker. I think he's a catch radius in
Speaker 4: separation probably mconkie. But in terms of size advantage, give me,
Speaker 4: give me Wilson. All that can't argue that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I talked about in the third round that I
Speaker 3: feel like there's going to be a runner receivers. You
Speaker 3: look at guys like Brendan Rice, Roman, Wilson, which I
Speaker 3: had an initial third before the Senior Bowl. Probably need
Speaker 3: to go back and you know, adjust at Jamari Thrash
Speaker 3: out of Louisville, Ricky Piersaw out of Florida, Malachi Corley
Speaker 3: out of Western Kentucky. I mean, these are all guys
Speaker 3: that you can look at in the third round and
Speaker 3: see a legitimate possibility. Jayleen McMillan out of Washington. There's
Speaker 3: there's a lot of talent I think you can find
Speaker 3: there in the third man.
Speaker 5: You take any one of those three Washington guys, you're
Speaker 5: feeling pretty good. You can throw in there too. He's
Speaker 5: really good. But I did love what you said about Coraley,
Speaker 5: and Corley's another guy. I don't think it's getting past
Speaker 5: the second round, but that dude can bawl. And then
Speaker 5: you can throw in Malik Washington from Virginia, who we
Speaker 5: got to see here at the East West Ryne Bowl,
Speaker 5: and he's a guy that might be there on day
Speaker 5: At the top of day.
Speaker 4: Three, all right, our guy Coofax says, what one player
Speaker 4: would you trade future picks to move up for in
Speaker 4: the first round. So we talked about the opposite in
Speaker 4: the first segment. It's more likely Dallas would trade back
Speaker 4: and accumulate trip picks than they would to go get
Speaker 4: a guy. But is there somebody that's up there that
Speaker 4: you're saying, I, I've got to have them, and you
Speaker 4: trade even your maybe you're only twenty five picks to
Speaker 4: try and make it happen.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, because I don't think so because
Speaker 3: the tackle the tackle class is deep. I think you're
Speaker 3: going into the draft with four or five options there
Speaker 3: that you feel like could happen at twenty four. I
Speaker 3: feel like you at least get one of those to
Speaker 3: fall to twenty four unless the team is just really
Speaker 3: dead set on getting a Jackson Powers Johnson type talent
Speaker 3: at center. They don't resign, be oddish, and they feel
Speaker 3: needy at that position. Then maybe you go ahead and
Speaker 3: jump up and grab them. But I don't think you
Speaker 3: jump up and grab anybody else from that perspective, I
Speaker 3: think you wait and see what offensive lineman falls to
Speaker 3: twenty four. If that's what you're set on doing, If
Speaker 3: you're between trading up and sticking at twenty four, then
Speaker 3: that's probably what you do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm probably not moving just because I do like
Speaker 5: Graham Barton a lot. Now maybe they don't. Maybe they
Speaker 5: look at Jackson Power shuns and they say, you know what,
Speaker 5: Barton because of the medicals, whatever it is, we're not
Speaker 5: viewing him in that same area. They don't like Zach
Speaker 5: Frazier as much. They've got a big gap between ap
Speaker 5: in the next center. Then I do think it's worth
Speaker 5: it to move up a couple of spots and solidify
Speaker 5: the middle of your offensive line. Otherwise, man, I think
Speaker 5: you would just take one of these guys that you
Speaker 5: don't think are gonna be there and they get close
Speaker 5: to your range, Like if it's an OLU Fashanu, the
Speaker 5: offensive tackle from Penn State Falls, who I think is
Speaker 5: an elite prospect. I maybe consider moving up to go
Speaker 5: get him. Otherwise, I think you're gonna stay put at
Speaker 5: twenty four. I think you're in a really, really good
Speaker 5: spot that you're gonna have a good player on the board.
Speaker 3: I'm worried about for Shana without him.
Speaker 4: I don't love he's maxed out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't love what he brings from
Speaker 3: a run blocking perspective. Really, I think I think there's
Speaker 3: a couple of lapses in past pro, but I think
Speaker 3: his pass pro is is where he's strong at. I'm
Speaker 3: a little I'm a little concerned about for Shana. There's
Speaker 3: not anything on tape that jumps out to me about
Speaker 3: for Shana. You look at Joe Alt, you look at
Speaker 3: Telisi Fuaga, you see the power of the athleticism, and
Speaker 3: not to say you don't see what the Fashanu too.
Speaker 3: But I think this might be one of those first
Speaker 3: round guys that has been on the first round board
Speaker 3: for a while. And I don't know, I don't I
Speaker 3: don't love for Shanu.
Speaker 4: I just don't see. I think he could end up
Speaker 4: being better than.
Speaker 3: Joe Old, I don't love for Shan.
Speaker 4: What do you have on him?
Speaker 3: I don't have anything on him right now, but I
Speaker 3: need to see him at Combine. I can't see how
Speaker 3: he works. I want to see him at Pro Day.
Speaker 3: I'm not giving like a final judgment on him, but
Speaker 3: I don't I would not take for Shana right now.
Speaker 4: Really, I don't know well.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's play plays with two big old braces
Speaker 5: on his knees, and he did get hurt his junior year.
Speaker 4: But I think his bass.
Speaker 5: I mean, he did not allow a sack in three
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty five snaps in twelve games his senior
Speaker 5: seasons the past, and that's really And I think he's
Speaker 5: good enough in the run game. I think he's got
Speaker 5: some nasty to him now. He can get beat inside
Speaker 5: that that's the way to get him. You can get
Speaker 5: him on the inside. But to me, I think it
Speaker 5: might be one of those tape studies like with Patrick Sartan,
Speaker 5: who came out out of Alabama a couple of years ago,
Speaker 5: where people are like he's just he's just clean. There's
Speaker 5: nothing you watch and you're like, this guy wows me.
Speaker 4: He watched a J. C.
Speaker 5: Horn and it's like, Okay, he's a little bit more
Speaker 5: sex last year. I just think Olu Fashanuho just gets
Speaker 5: the job done.
Speaker 4: And which one do you need in this organization somebody
Speaker 4: that just gets the jumps on the job done. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's fair. I mean, just that's throwing it out there.
Speaker 4: I like it, I really do, because not everybody sees
Speaker 4: the same prospects the same way, and you could end
Speaker 4: up being right about them. I hope you're not right
Speaker 4: about them either.
Speaker 3: I never wish on anyone. Yeah, I hope I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, you probably don't bleep yourself such a lie.
Speaker 4: You hope you're wrong too.
Speaker 3: I'm a hater.
Speaker 4: You brought this up a little bit earlier, and we
Speaker 4: got one more question here on Twitter on the twenty
Speaker 4: and this one says, could the Cowboys go offensive heavy
Speaker 4: in the draft and use free agency that fill the
Speaker 4: voids defensively? I kind of want to modify the question
Speaker 4: a little bit. Do you feel like it's more likely
Speaker 4: they go defensive heavy in the draft or defensive heavy
Speaker 4: and free agency as opposed to going offensive heavy and
Speaker 4: free agency.
Speaker 3: Well, when I think about that, and I think about possibilities,
Speaker 3: I think about the linebacker position. So and I don't
Speaker 3: feel like you can if you sign every linebacker you
Speaker 3: love agency, I still feel like you gotta go draft one.
Speaker 3: So linebacker position, you're gonna have to draft one defensive tackle.
Speaker 3: There's an opportunity to bring Hankins back, and if you
Speaker 3: if you bring back Jonathan Hankins, then you know there's
Speaker 3: not as necessarily as big of a need to get
Speaker 3: another one in the draft, especially early on. Yeah, this
Speaker 3: is a good defensive tackle class. If you want to
Speaker 3: take one of those first couple of days, man, you
Speaker 3: might be able to hit on one. But is it
Speaker 3: asking would that be a comfortable scenario, basically going heavy
Speaker 3: defense in free agency and then focusing on offense in
Speaker 3: the draft.
Speaker 4: I think it's which one's more likely to happen. It's
Speaker 4: not necessarily a comfortability, but what would you believe is
Speaker 4: more comfortable for this team?
Speaker 3: Yeah, going going offense heavy in the in the draft,
Speaker 3: for sure. I mean that makes sense. You got to
Speaker 3: get an offensive lineman, ye in the first couple of
Speaker 3: rounds at least you're hoping that you know, there's a
Speaker 3: running back that gets taken pretty early as well. Wouldn't
Speaker 3: be surprised if there's a receiver on Day three that
Speaker 3: gets taken. So, yeah, you would, you would have to
Speaker 3: look at that for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I do think defense is the move in free agency
Speaker 5: because I think there's some tackles and some linebackers. But
Speaker 5: I agree, I don't think that that means, Okay, if
Speaker 5: I fill this need in free agency, I'm not addressing
Speaker 5: it in the draft at all. Yeah, And I wonder
Speaker 5: with your new coach that you have is Mike Zimmer
Speaker 5: and we've seen them in the past, whether it was
Speaker 5: Dan Quinn when he came in or whatever defensive coordinator is,
Speaker 5: they will it seems like, take some input of what
Speaker 5: are some guys you want here? So could that end
Speaker 5: up being all right, we're gonna be a little bit
Speaker 5: more defensive heavy in some areas, I think potentially. I
Speaker 5: think the first round for me is going to be
Speaker 5: an offensive player and then there'll be a running back selected.
Speaker 5: The rest of the draft could definitely be defense, and
Speaker 5: that would not surprise me.
Speaker 3: Do you think there's a need for a receiver in
Speaker 3: Day three?
Speaker 4: I think there is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I absolutely think they needed a receiver in Day
Speaker 5: three if they wanted to take a receiver earlier, because
Speaker 5: I think there's going to be a run in the
Speaker 5: second round. If they looked at one of these second
Speaker 5: round receivers and said, you know what, we need to
Speaker 5: take our guy here. We've got him graded, he's the
Speaker 5: best player available, I would not be upset with it.
Speaker 5: And I also think that we've talked about it. Corners
Speaker 5: a sneaky need for this football team. And then I
Speaker 5: wonder about safeties. Mike Zimmer loves to do a lot
Speaker 5: with his safeties, puts a lot on their plate. We
Speaker 5: saw with Harrison Smith in Minnesota, and there are some
Speaker 5: safeties you watch in this draft class. We've mentioned several
Speaker 5: of them. Jayden Hicks last week, Javon Bullard I think
Speaker 5: could fill that, Cameron Kitchens from Miami. Some of those
Speaker 5: guys that you look at and I think, like, dang it,
Speaker 5: Mike Zimmer's probably going to really really like this dude.
Speaker 5: So safety and corner I think are also two positions.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised if they addressed as well.
Speaker 3: Day three receiver that I think would be the perfect
Speaker 3: fit for the Dallas Cowboys Jordan Whittington out of Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 3: former five star guy out of Cuero down in Central
Speaker 3: Texas want a state championship down there with them with
Speaker 3: the Gobblers. But he's physical and long speed. He battled
Speaker 3: a lot of injuries his first few years in Austin,
Speaker 3: and I think that kind of stunted his development from
Speaker 3: a certain standpoint, and they kind of recruited around him
Speaker 3: or recruited over him. They brought in Xavier Worthy, they
Speaker 3: went in the portal and grabbed ad Mitchell. Those are
Speaker 3: two receivers that we see at the top of this draft,
Speaker 3: but I think Jordan Whittington, had he had the opportunity
Speaker 3: to be a feature receiver in this offense this past season,
Speaker 3: we would be talking about him in same light. I
Speaker 3: really do believe that he's got legit speed with a
Speaker 3: big frame that he has, super physical, He can make
Speaker 3: those contested catches. We saw him make a huge catch
Speaker 3: in that final drive that Texas had in that semi
Speaker 3: final game that got them in position to potentially win it.
Speaker 3: And I think where it becomes a really even more
Speaker 3: emphasized perfect fit for the Dallas Cowboys. We see what
Speaker 3: happened last year whenever CJ. Goodwin went down. From a
Speaker 3: special team's perspective, yeah, I think Jordan Wddington is going
Speaker 3: to be a special team's demon at the next level
Speaker 3: from a gunner as a gunner, so I think instead
Speaker 3: of Jalen Tolbert or Sam Williams that you're rolling out there,
Speaker 3: you can trust Jordan Winnington to go out there. He's
Speaker 3: a high IQ guy, high character guy. I think he'd
Speaker 3: be perfect for this team.
Speaker 5: I think you nailed when it comes to Jordan winning Team.
Speaker 5: The only issue is the injury history, right, He's the
Speaker 5: guy that just struggled to stay healthy.
Speaker 4: But he did.
Speaker 5: And I do think if you're looking at a guy
Speaker 5: that you want to hit and take a flyer on
Speaker 5: and on day three, he's certainly at the top of
Speaker 5: the list. There's no question about that. And I love
Speaker 5: the special teams versatility that brings as well. When you
Speaker 5: go back and watch that state championship performance will not
Speaker 5: really necessarily go but that is one of the best
Speaker 5: I've ever seen it.
Speaker 3: It's probably it's probably probably the best state championship incredibly.
Speaker 3: Actually Number one is probably Jonathan Brooks, and then two
Speaker 3: is probably Yeah.
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Speaker 4: factor into that as well? In which safeties do you
Speaker 4: expect to show out in Indianapolis at the combine? Who's
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Speaker 4: Back. You're on the Draft Show, wrapping things up here
Speaker 4: on this Tuesday, sixty five days away from the NFL
Speaker 4: Draft in Detroit, Michigan. Back alongside Zach Woldchuck and Nick Harris.
Speaker 4: We've got Chris Beam in the back. We'll have Aisha
Speaker 4: Morrison and Bobby belt on later in the week. But
Speaker 4: glad you're with us here on the Draft Show. We
Speaker 4: talked a little bit about this earlier. Zach, you said
Speaker 4: safety a sneaky need for this Cowboys team. Jay Ron
Speaker 4: Curse is an undrafted or an unrestricted free agent. There's
Speaker 4: lots of question marks around the safety position now that
Speaker 4: Dan Quinn has taken the job. In Washington, we talked
Speaker 4: about some of these top end safeties Tyler Newman from Minnesota,
Speaker 4: Cameron Kitchens from Miami, Kayln Bullock from USC Javon Bullard
Speaker 4: from Georgia as potentials there. I want to know who's
Speaker 4: gonna light it up from a team speed standpoint, from
Speaker 4: a combine standpoint, anybody jump off the page, and what
Speaker 4: we can expect next week in Indy.
Speaker 5: I mean, I do think Bullock should run well, yeah,
Speaker 5: that was my first guy, right like Bullock should should
Speaker 5: be a guy now, and I think he's a corner
Speaker 5: like for me, I'm not I'm not a fan of
Speaker 5: Kaylen Bullock at safety. He's just too darn skinny and
Speaker 5: I don't think he tackles well. So I would feel
Speaker 5: three to ninety Yeah, I'd feel very nervous about playing
Speaker 5: him in the back end or I mean, look, you
Speaker 5: can move him in, maybe he can slide in on
Speaker 5: Nickel packages and play some corner, but I'd probably move
Speaker 5: him to the outside. I think he's a guy that
Speaker 5: could run in the four fourth. I think my guy
Speaker 5: Javon Bullard, who is a little bit of a shorter
Speaker 5: dude at five ten. I think he could run really,
Speaker 5: really well. I'm excited to see Tyler Nuban though. Tyler
Speaker 5: Nuban I think could make some money if he ends
Speaker 5: up running sub four or five. I think he's a
Speaker 5: dude that is going to end up maybe being the
Speaker 5: first safety off the board there from Minnesota.
Speaker 4: He's my number one safety by it.
Speaker 5: And I can see that right because he's one of
Speaker 5: the most complete players that you've got at that position.
Speaker 5: Those are some of the guys that I'm excited And
Speaker 5: then of course there's Cooper dejan from Iowa, who I
Speaker 5: do think is a corner but some people might view
Speaker 5: as a safety. I think he could play either. You
Speaker 5: saw him just be an absolute special team star there.
Speaker 5: Potential first round pick. How does he end up testing
Speaker 5: as well there in Indianapolis. Those are some guys that
Speaker 5: would kind of keep my eye on. Cooper gen Dejeene
Speaker 5: d Gen, I like Dejeon. I think I play it
Speaker 5: that way too. I was like, maybe he's not French.
Speaker 4: Though the gene just doesn't sound as good. Gene.
Speaker 5: We're gonna have to have a talk with you, Cooper, Hey,
Speaker 5: can we switch this to dejeon de Jon?
Speaker 3: I know you love Javon Bullard and I do too.
Speaker 3: I think he's a really good safety. I think he's
Speaker 3: a guy that can go comfortably. Day two.
Speaker 4: I thought you're gon, dude a little bit.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna test well.
Speaker 4: You don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's.
Speaker 4: Gonna You don't think he will run well good forty times?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Yeah, I don't think he's gonna test well.
Speaker 4: So that's fine. Slide a little bit. I'm okay with
Speaker 4: getting a little defensive their first place.
Speaker 3: We're about to find out about the cage matches.
Speaker 4: That's my one guy. I can't.
Speaker 5: I cannot take any slander on him. I'm telling you
Speaker 5: he's gonna be a step I.
Speaker 3: Think he's good though. I think there's some guys that
Speaker 3: have instincts that overcome a lack of athleticism or lack
Speaker 3: of speed in other areas. I'm trying to think one
Speaker 3: off the top of my head.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 3: There you go, Javon Bullard feels like one of those
Speaker 3: guys that will just be able to carry on instincts
Speaker 3: and carry on his football knowledge and what he does
Speaker 3: from that defensive backfield. Love what he does. Here's kind
Speaker 3: of a later guy I think into comfortably into day three,
Speaker 3: Keaton Ola Dappo from Oregon State. He was a senior
Speaker 3: ole guy, really lengthy. That was the thing that kind
Speaker 3: of took me away. And he's able to cover a
Speaker 3: lot of range as a result, and he ran really
Speaker 3: well too, and being able to get to the ball
Speaker 3: and fly to the ball. He's a guy that affected
Speaker 3: the game at all three levels. At Oregon State. He
Speaker 3: was getting sacks, tackles for loss, and then he was
Speaker 3: also getting interceptions and pass deflections on the back end.
Speaker 3: He's a guy that I love as a three level
Speaker 3: type of defender, and that's what you love to see
Speaker 3: from the safety position. And I know I've talked about
Speaker 3: it with Tyler Newman about how he can approach the
Speaker 3: running game and get into the backfield and identified it
Speaker 3: so early on. I think Oladappo has those same type
Speaker 3: of instincts, but maybe a little bit more of aggressiveness
Speaker 3: from Ola Dappo that kind of allows him to throw
Speaker 3: himself out of the play at times. So I think
Speaker 3: that's why you're probably looking at day three value there.
Speaker 3: But if you're looking for a guy that could probably
Speaker 3: test pretty well, I think Ola Dapo is going to
Speaker 3: be one of them.
Speaker 4: And you're talking about these later picks. I don't know
Speaker 4: if this guy even is categorized as a later pick,
Speaker 4: but I want to talk about him maybe late day two.
Speaker 4: Jayla's Hunt from Houston Christian. Okay, what do you guys
Speaker 4: know about him? Six foot three, two hundred and fifty pounds.
Speaker 4: He played at Houston Christian, so he's not too far
Speaker 4: down the road. Is this somebody that smaller school, smaller competition,
Speaker 4: but he's starting to gain some real momentum here since
Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl, since going into to Combine time got
Speaker 4: an invite. Is what are you looking for for him?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So Jaylex Hunt, he was out of Florida and was
Speaker 3: initially a corner coming out of coming out of high
Speaker 3: school Houston Christian under their head coach Braxton Harris. He
Speaker 3: came over from Campbell really good developer as far as
Speaker 3: being able to identify guys that might be able to
Speaker 3: find some sort of positional change. So he went to
Speaker 3: Cornell as a corner oddly enough, and then went to
Speaker 3: Houston Christian and they beefed him up and put him
Speaker 3: on the edge, added like forty pounds to his frame
Speaker 3: six foot four. Hey, we're going to add some weight
Speaker 3: to your frame. We think you can be aggressive as
Speaker 3: a pass rusher. That's exactly what happened, and he went
Speaker 3: to Houston Christian in two seasons, was really productive down
Speaker 3: there for the Huskies. Obviously not playing in the best
Speaker 3: of competition in the Southland, but I think there's an
Speaker 3: opportunity for him to be able to go to the combine,
Speaker 3: be able to kind of pair what he did at
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl against some really good competition to make
Speaker 3: some things happen. He had some reps against Tyler Guidan
Speaker 3: out of Ooklahoma at the Senior Bowl where he was
Speaker 3: really able to flash. He is athletic, he is violent.
Speaker 3: He's a guy that I found midway through the season
Speaker 3: last year and I just kind of tracked as the
Speaker 3: year went on. He's a really fun guy that I
Speaker 3: think he won't be ready year one, but I think
Speaker 3: once you get him developed he could he could. He
Speaker 3: has a very high ceiling, thirty four inch arms.
Speaker 4: Thirty four inch arms that everybody at home might be asking,
Speaker 4: why are we talking about an edge rusher in a
Speaker 4: safety segment because he played safety initially, and that's not
Speaker 4: an intro like, that's not a normal transition. You're going
Speaker 4: to play corner like you said corner at Cornell, then
Speaker 4: he plays a little bit of safety. Now he's playing
Speaker 4: edge rusher like. It's one of the more intriguing conversations
Speaker 4: of the entire draft. And is he gonna play safety
Speaker 4: at the next level at six three, two hundred and
Speaker 4: forty eight pounds. No, he's not playing safety. But will
Speaker 4: he rush off the edge and have some nimbleness to
Speaker 4: his game and doing so? Absolutely so. It's a fun,
Speaker 4: I think thing to look at whenever you're talking about
Speaker 4: a guy who's making a position switch that's not normally
Speaker 4: seen at the next time, if the any viewers are
Speaker 4: out there are more curious about diving into Jaylex Hunt,
Speaker 4: go look at his game against Lamar on September thirty
Speaker 4: I of this past season. Okay, good to know any
Speaker 4: other safeties that Dallas could be maybe looking at. Whenever
Speaker 4: you go into a day two, day three standpoint ooh,
Speaker 4: day two day three for safety.
Speaker 5: I mean I wonder about you know, you've got some
Speaker 5: local guys from TCU, like Bud Clark, is an interesting player.
Speaker 5: A Keen Dent from Florida State is another name that's interesting.
Speaker 5: Yet he's a guy that I've liked. A couple of
Speaker 5: forced fumbles that I've watched on tape from him. I
Speaker 5: think he's a good athlete. Six one, two oh three.
Speaker 5: I wonder what he's going to run. And then I
Speaker 5: know Bo Brady's been brought up. I think i ushuld
Speaker 5: brought him up out of Maryland as well. That could
Speaker 5: go day three tackling machine. You know, six passes that
Speaker 5: he broke up last year, a couple of interceptions as well.
Speaker 5: I think Bo Brady's an intriguing prospect. And then Vaki
Speaker 5: the safety from Utah is another name that I've seen
Speaker 5: some people are really really high on as well, that
Speaker 5: could go in that range.
Speaker 4: Tell me about him. A little bit six foot to eight.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he might be a little bit shorter to
Speaker 5: what you're looking at, but I think he's a guy
Speaker 5: that can go fourth, fifth round. Two passes defended. I
Speaker 5: think he had fifty tackles last last year, a three
Speaker 5: passes broken up. You know, he was a guy that
Speaker 5: I think he was out there for the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you got to get eyes on
Speaker 5: him out there, but I think he had a decent
Speaker 5: week of practice and when you were watching him in
Speaker 5: some individual drills, he stood out to me and it
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, this guy can move a pretty well.
Speaker 5: And granted he's not the super tall guy like we
Speaker 5: talked about Bullock from USC, but Vaki is a player
Speaker 5: that I think versus the runt could be could be
Speaker 5: strong there as a safety.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whenever I was looking at Utah safeties at the
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl, Colt Bishop was the guy that I really Yes,
Speaker 3: Cocky's good, but I liked what.
Speaker 4: Brought to the scene, which is probably better.
Speaker 3: And I think that's that's a fun late day to
Speaker 3: early day three value that you can look at foot one,
Speaker 3: two hundred and eight pounds and he's a game manager
Speaker 3: back there in the.
Speaker 4: Well and bitch also blitzes.
Speaker 5: I mean he's a guy that got some pressure on
Speaker 5: the quarterback to Yeah, cold Biship's overall a better player.
Speaker 4: Is there? Just from an overall standpoint? Whenever you're looking
Speaker 4: at this safety class, is this a short lived safety class?
Speaker 4: I mean I feel like we're we're tossing around the
Speaker 4: same ten to twelve names that are going to be
Speaker 4: taken throughout the weekend.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're probably right. Does but those but
Speaker 5: those players are good. I mean, the top end of
Speaker 5: this thing I think is really really good. You're gonna
Speaker 5: get some. But you're right, it does not stretch like
Speaker 5: we talk about with receiver some of these other spots.
Speaker 4: There you go, anything else? Anybody want to do any?
Speaker 4: Tell me more? What was the best player you watched
Speaker 4: this week?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, gosh, that's a that's a tough one.
Speaker 3: Let me let me let me break this.
Speaker 5: Can I give you guys a player that I wasn't
Speaker 5: ready as as a big of a fan on as
Speaker 5: some others are. I mean, do you guys like Marshawn
Speaker 5: Neiland the Edge from Western Michigan.
Speaker 3: I see I like him at Senier Bowl, And I
Speaker 3: went into Senior Bowl thinking, Okay, the G five guy.
Speaker 3: I love seeing the G five guys that are getting
Speaker 3: those day one, day two.
Speaker 6: Love.
Speaker 3: Okay, what are they doing to dominate at that level?
Speaker 3: I didn't see that from his film. I love him
Speaker 3: at Seniors Okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so and maybe he's a guy you get up
Speaker 5: close and personal with and but you watch the tape.
Speaker 5: For me, I was expecting to jump out and I
Speaker 5: wanted to see somebody that dominated against the Central Michigan's
Speaker 5: when you play there, because he's an edge out of
Speaker 5: Western Michigan sixty three two sixty eight. You know, I
Speaker 5: think he's one of those He ran track in high school,
Speaker 5: All conference high jumper as well. You know, he's athleticism
Speaker 5: translate on translates on tape. He's quick off the ball,
Speaker 5: lots of hand fakes to set up linemen. On his
Speaker 5: rush the bull rush, he can push tackles back into
Speaker 5: the lap of the quarterback. But to me, he's one
Speaker 5: of those guys where he kind of rushes himself out
Speaker 5: of running lanes a little bit, gets knocked on the ground,
Speaker 5: doesn't always set the edge when you want him to.
Speaker 5: I wasn't as high on Marshawn Neland as I was
Speaker 5: expecting to be after watching him, But maybe I need to,
Speaker 5: you know, see how he tests and interviews in some
Speaker 5: of these individual workouts as well with some teams.
Speaker 4: Maybe he ends up raising his stock a little bit.
Speaker 4: You know. It's funny you mentioned the Senior Bowl specifically,
Speaker 4: and there were times in those practices where he was
Speaker 4: shedding blocks. That's not what he did on his film. No,
Speaker 4: he struggled to get off of blocks in this film.
Speaker 4: And then whenever you got him to the Senior Bowl
Speaker 4: and let's say the game at that point, you're trying
Speaker 4: to make money as a small school guy, like you said,
Speaker 4: you're going with an added emphasis of Hey, they say
Speaker 4: you can't shed blocks, you gotta shed blocks. Can't he
Speaker 4: do that in game time action at the NFL level?
Speaker 4: I kind of I have a little bit of pause
Speaker 4: on that, but the way that he was able to
Speaker 4: do it at the Senior Bowl shows that it's possible.
Speaker 5: And he looks small. I mean, he's the guy that
Speaker 5: I think is going to need to get a little
Speaker 5: bit strong.
Speaker 4: Not very long. No, he doesn't have a ton of length.
Speaker 5: There's some traits there you look at the quickness, but
Speaker 5: not as high on him as I think others are.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's a guy that I really enjoyed out of
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl and was able to watch more over
Speaker 3: the course of the last week. And I think I
Speaker 3: may have mentioned him on the show already, but I
Speaker 3: want to dive into him a little bit more. Jamary
Speaker 3: thrash receiver out of Louisville man If. He's almost an
Speaker 3: exact proto a prototype of Jalen Tolbert, like they have
Speaker 3: very very similar traits. He's not the tallest guy in
Speaker 3: the world, but he can still go up and grab it.
Speaker 3: He's really decisive in his route running. He can make
Speaker 3: some things happen in the short to intermediate game. He
Speaker 3: was a transfer out of Georgia State and was really
Speaker 3: productive for a Georgia State in his junior season. He
Speaker 3: was an All American Honorable mention coming out of his
Speaker 3: junior year, transferred to transferred to Louisville and still had
Speaker 3: an eight hundred and fifty plus yard season. Was really
Speaker 3: good with the Cardinals. That was a really good offense
Speaker 3: this past year and he was one of the feature
Speaker 3: weapons in that offense. Shined at the Senior Bowl. He's
Speaker 3: physical in route running. He made DB's guests. That's what
Speaker 3: I put as the notes as far as coming out
Speaker 3: of his performance and mobile. I think he's a third
Speaker 3: round guy comfortably that could really shine. I think in
Speaker 3: the right system. Get him in a system where the
Speaker 3: offense has really spread out, they get a lot of
Speaker 3: things going west Coast type of system, and I think
Speaker 3: he could he could really thrive at the next level, thriving,
Speaker 3: thrash the show, Thank you ever put.
Speaker 4: Him as a thumb nail, and then the end of
Speaker 4: it all cool? All right, Well that does it for
Speaker 4: us here on the Draft Show. We'll be back on Thursday,
Speaker 4: eleven am Central Time to break it all down for
Speaker 4: you and keep you rolling. We're gonna do some mock
Speaker 4: drafts on Thursday. We're gonna do some scenario driven mock draft.
Speaker 3: Sweet right, Yes.
Speaker 4: That was the plan, and we're gonna put together some
Speaker 4: free agency, a mock free agency, and that see how
Speaker 4: that changes things for the Cowboys to move forward. All right,
Speaker 4: that's what we're doing Thursday. So we got a lot
Speaker 4: to look forward to. Hopefully we'll have Ayisha and Bobby
Speaker 4: back in the fold as well. Brian on vacation this.
Speaker 5: Week and then he's gonna be in uh surprise, in Arizona,
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