Speaker 1: Hmm, welcome back all the smoke, Las Vegas Summer League
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, coming to you from the Blue Wires Studio.
Speaker 1: You're here at the Wynn Hotel and we got one
Speaker 1: of the homies here and we met Telu back in
Speaker 1: the late nineties when you first came from Mexico, Missouri
Speaker 1: outter La.
Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to the show Man T you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate. I'm finally made it man to get you
Speaker 3: a minute. Yeah, And I wasn't big time y'all, just
Speaker 3: really had a business, A busy man.
Speaker 2: The big time.
Speaker 1: He's a busy big time And we got the dude
Speaker 1: was in the building.
Speaker 3: The legend, it's part of the crime.
Speaker 2: Man man, let's get to it.
Speaker 1: Eleven year pro, one of the smartest players in the game,
Speaker 1: transitioned into a coach.
Speaker 3: What's life like as a coach? What's the day to day?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously less to play double digit years in
Speaker 1: the league, But someone just asked me the day would
Speaker 1: you ever coach in the NBM Just like that's a
Speaker 1: whole nother monster about that monster.
Speaker 4: I mean it's a grind.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, being a you know, a lower
Speaker 3: level player in the NBA you always had a grind
Speaker 3: to get to my next contract, get to the next season,
Speaker 3: get to the next year. But this is a totally
Speaker 3: different grind. Like you know, as a player, you know,
Speaker 3: you win a game, you can go out and celebrate
Speaker 3: and kick it, you know, hit a game, win or whatever.
Speaker 3: But as a coach, you're going on to the next
Speaker 3: It never stops, you know, And so it's a lot
Speaker 3: of work. You know, it's a lot of work, a
Speaker 3: lot of pressure. You know, you have good teams and
Speaker 3: you are supposed to win a championship or you supposed
Speaker 3: to be a contender. It's a lot of work. And
Speaker 3: so when I first took the job with the Clippers,
Speaker 3: you know, Mter and Lawrence Frank was like, you know,
Speaker 3: like what do you do, Like what's your your get away.
Speaker 4: From the game?
Speaker 3: I said, like, when I'm in the season, I don't
Speaker 3: get away, Like I'm diving all the way in. And
Speaker 3: so it's like, you know, you got to have something,
Speaker 3: you can have a release, and so I'm trying to
Speaker 3: get better with that because I don't play golf. I
Speaker 3: don't do none of that stuff. So it's just a grind.
Speaker 3: It's it's a big difference and so I tell all
Speaker 3: guys like, if you.
Speaker 4: Made enough money in the league, you probably don't want
Speaker 4: to coach.
Speaker 5: But yeah, if you made a kind of money I made, then.
Speaker 4: You want to coach for sure. But it's like it's
Speaker 4: it's all lifestyle.
Speaker 3: It's all we know, like you know, and so giving
Speaker 3: back to the younger guys, you know, really it's really
Speaker 3: a blessing.
Speaker 4: So you know, I enjoy it.
Speaker 6: That's I mean, that's a good question because you don't smoke,
Speaker 6: don't drink, never have or nothing.
Speaker 7: So it's like, how do you unwinding?
Speaker 6: Like you know what I'm saying, It just like get
Speaker 6: away from it, because it's hard to get away from
Speaker 6: when your head coach.
Speaker 4: I think it's tough.
Speaker 3: I think when I first, you know, took over Stack
Speaker 3: and when I was thirty eight years old and one
Speaker 3: of the youngest coaches in the league, and count how
Speaker 3: it transpired. You know, it really was. It really wasn't
Speaker 3: a good look, you know Coach Black, you know, he
Speaker 3: was number one in the East when he got fired.
Speaker 3: We went to finals a year before and taking over
Speaker 3: midway through the season, it was tough. And so you know,
Speaker 3: Kyrie k Love Tryst and Lebron They'll have my back Jr. Shump.
Speaker 4: But you know, moving over one seat like you don't
Speaker 4: need I think I can do it.
Speaker 3: I want to do it, but you know I haven't
Speaker 3: had that experience, and so so I said, Man, I
Speaker 3: got come. I got a grind like it can be
Speaker 3: no days off. You know, lebron he knows everything, every
Speaker 3: play called another, teammates everything, everything we do.
Speaker 4: So I got to be on top of my stuff,
Speaker 4: and so I just dove right into it.
Speaker 3: I'm grinding. I'm gonna make mistakes, but lebron k love
Speaker 3: like I said, Kyrie, and it was behind me one
Speaker 3: hundred percent. So I made a lot of mistakes along
Speaker 3: the way, but it made me better and it kept
Speaker 3: me on my toes and it kept me grinding.
Speaker 1: You're one of the most I don't know it matters,
Speaker 1: but it's always good to be like. But you're one
Speaker 1: of the most liked coaches. You've been known as a
Speaker 1: player coach to me, one of the best in game
Speaker 1: adjusting coaches in the game. What do you feel some
Speaker 1: of the more important skills to succeeding in a position
Speaker 1: such as yours are.
Speaker 3: Thank you, man, I appreciate it. It just you're a player's
Speaker 3: coach until you tell a player no stuff about you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. They don't get their shots or
Speaker 3: you don't get their minutes.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But you know, the biggest thing is like being a
Speaker 3: player of coaches, like, you know, I understand the league
Speaker 3: and so people go, oh, man, they go out or
Speaker 3: they so what like when office people go out too,
Speaker 3: y'all go out and have wine and y'all kick it.
Speaker 3: So why can't the other guys do it? So the
Speaker 3: biggest thing about being a player coach is like y'all
Speaker 3: get in late, and man, can we move practice back
Speaker 3: from eleven to two? Yeah? Cool?
Speaker 4: Like you know what I'm saying, Like I'm a I'm.
Speaker 5: Are you been there?
Speaker 3: I understand what it takes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So that's one of the biggest things as far as
Speaker 3: player coach, I think as far as just coaching in general,
Speaker 3: I think just you know, doing it for the black coaches.
Speaker 3: And now I think we have sixteen or seventeen black
Speaker 3: head coaches in the NBA. Yeah, when I got there,
Speaker 3: it was only I think three, you know, And so
Speaker 3: just trying to be a vehicle between the black coaches
Speaker 3: and just the league and just trying to like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we can do this. And so as much as I grind,
Speaker 3: I keep grinding getting better and better, They're gonna allow
Speaker 3: younger coaches and young black coaches to have a chance.
Speaker 4: And so that's kind of like, that's my that's what
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 6: So and for me, it's nothing against coaches who haven't
Speaker 6: played the game, But for me, it's just something special
Speaker 6: about having a guy like you on the sideline because
Speaker 6: they can players and come out of the game and
Speaker 6: you can see something that you have experienced yourself in
Speaker 6: the game that they don't see, and you can and
Speaker 6: you can coordinate that to your players and they can
Speaker 6: take that back to the game to help y'all win
Speaker 6: the game. Right If but coaches never played the game
Speaker 6: or never been in those situations with guys, that's a
Speaker 6: plus that you have, you know what. That's why I
Speaker 6: say having you, I can see why you are one
Speaker 6: of the best in game decision making coaches because you've
Speaker 6: been in there on.
Speaker 3: The court as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that helps with my adjustments because I
Speaker 4: been through it.
Speaker 3: I played, and I've seen different situations, but you can't
Speaker 3: be afraid to do it. You know, a lot of
Speaker 3: coaches might have a lot of adjustments, but they're worried
Speaker 3: about what the media is gonna say with the guy
Speaker 3: like yeah, yeah, So like if you work on it
Speaker 3: and we do this every single day, like I don't
Speaker 3: care what the outside things like. My players know we
Speaker 3: work on this every single and this is what we do.
Speaker 3: And so you know you want to make adjustment, you
Speaker 3: gotta be ready to do it, like right now. You
Speaker 3: can't wait till after the game all over you in
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Man, that's a big you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So you got to do it now. And so I'm
Speaker 3: always trying to think three steps ahead, like when I'm
Speaker 3: watching film getting ready for the game, I want to
Speaker 3: make sure this is my first, second, third adjustment they
Speaker 3: beat me with this, I want to be prepared to
Speaker 3: do this, and so I'm always ahead of the game.
Speaker 1: Got an opportunity to come benchside with Doc in Boston
Speaker 1: and then with the Clippers's where I had you the
Speaker 1: first time. And I've seen obviously knowing you before, but
Speaker 1: seeing your mind start to work. I never got a
Speaker 1: chance to play with you so seeing your mind work,
Speaker 1: because I don't even know if you're the second or
Speaker 1: third as system, but I would like you were a
Speaker 1: voice that we still listen to and respect it even
Speaker 1: though you weren't the head coach. Speak to the importance
Speaker 1: that Doc has kind of had in your coaching life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything, you know. In two thousand and three, when
Speaker 3: I played for him in Orlando, He's like, when you're
Speaker 3: done playing, you can come coach with me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I ain't an never coach, Like I'm I'm
Speaker 4: never doing this.
Speaker 3: But like in two thousand and nine, I was done
Speaker 3: playing and I was like, what else I'm I going
Speaker 3: to do? All I know is basketball? So I gave
Speaker 3: Doctor call and he's like, I'll call you back in
Speaker 3: a day or two. And I was like, yeah, right,
Speaker 3: you know, but he called back the next day, had
Speaker 3: a job for me, him and Danny Ainge.
Speaker 4: So I give him credit for that.
Speaker 3: And then just you know, the first year in Boston
Speaker 3: just kind of like let me get the player out
Speaker 3: of me, like see if you like it, see if
Speaker 3: you enjoy it. And then the second year I got
Speaker 3: more responsibility doing some of the offensive stuff, and then
Speaker 3: he appointed me to KG and Rondo, the two of
Speaker 3: the craziest, craziest guys you can kind of you know,
Speaker 3: be appointed to. But it helped me as a coach
Speaker 3: because I was able to tell those guys the truth.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, as players, you know, you
Speaker 3: might you might cuss me out, you might be mad,
Speaker 3: but if I tell you the truth, Yeah, but if
Speaker 3: you hear the truth, like if you're real with yourself,
Speaker 3: you can you can understand that, you can respect that.
Speaker 3: And so that right there helped me and allowed me
Speaker 3: to like, if I can tell KG and Ronald the truth,
Speaker 3: I can tell anybody the truth, you know. And so
Speaker 3: that's kind of like how I coached and Doc gave
Speaker 3: me that platform or do that, and it got me
Speaker 3: better and better and better.
Speaker 4: And he's one of the best.
Speaker 3: You know, ato guys, you know, you know, adjustment guys
Speaker 3: as well, which he don't get a lot of credit for,
Speaker 3: you know. And so I learned a lot from him,
Speaker 3: you know, I learned a lot from a lot of
Speaker 3: coaches I played for Bil Jackson. I learned a lot
Speaker 3: from Scott Skiles, you know, Stan Van Gundy, Jeff van Gundy,
Speaker 3: Doug Collins, And so you kind of take pieces from
Speaker 3: every coach of how you want to do it and
Speaker 3: how you don't want to do it, and everybody have
Speaker 3: their own philosophy. So you know when people talk about, oh,
Speaker 3: I can't believe he did the coach did that, Well,
Speaker 3: if he works on that every single day in practice,
Speaker 3: how are you going to question what he did? Like,
Speaker 3: that's his philosophy, you know, and so it's not yours
Speaker 3: if you don't work on it every single day, like
Speaker 3: you can't go like on TV, oh I can't believe
Speaker 3: he did that. That was a poor adjustment or he
Speaker 3: did Like, No, these coaches work on this every single day,
Speaker 3: you know, And so it's hard to kind of question
Speaker 3: me as a coach now saying it. It's hard to
Speaker 3: question what a guy does, especially if that's what he
Speaker 3: believes in. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've asked former teammates of that Clipper team.
Speaker 2: I've asked Doc this.
Speaker 1: I felt like we have one of the most talented
Speaker 1: rosters in the NBA for a couple of years with
Speaker 1: those Clipper teams, but never materializing nothing. As a truth
Speaker 1: tailor that you are, what did you see our issues
Speaker 1: being and why did you feel like we couldn't get
Speaker 1: over the hump.
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing for me it was like
Speaker 3: the CP and Blake, like two great players, and you
Speaker 3: remind me a lot of like Kobe and Shaq, like
Speaker 3: two great players that really didn't get along as best
Speaker 3: they could, like and you always had a step being
Speaker 3: there like man, no, we're gonna do it like this,
Speaker 3: and they would get on board. But like they were
Speaker 3: too talented, like once you gifted, once you're a max player,
Speaker 3: like like the like whose team is it? It's Steve
Speaker 3: Bomber's team worth Yeah, Like y'all gonna make the most
Speaker 3: money you can make, you max players, like you could
Speaker 3: get all their attention. Everybody in La loves y'all. They
Speaker 3: know who you are. So let's just come together, let's
Speaker 3: win and so. And they were young, you know, young
Speaker 3: at the time. And so I bet they look back
Speaker 3: on it right now, Blake and CP, if they look
Speaker 3: back on it now, they're like, you know what we couldn't. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was special, very special, two talented players, two great players.
Speaker 4: And that was the biggest thing.
Speaker 3: When you get two best players don't really get along
Speaker 3: and you know, take that next step together, it's kind
Speaker 3: of hard.
Speaker 6: It had to be the problem because the supporting cast
Speaker 6: was there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah was there. Yeah, and me even like I said,
Speaker 3: CP and Blake, what they did for that franchise was huge, amazing,
Speaker 3: and so like just getting on board with each other,
Speaker 3: like you said, taking that next step, like Okay, you
Speaker 3: know what, get together, we're gonna win a championship. Because
Speaker 3: I said supporting cast was great, and then our two
Speaker 3: best players they were they were great.
Speaker 4: You know, And so that was the biggest thing for me.
Speaker 1: We showed flashes like yo, ain't nobody in the world
Speaker 1: that Yeah, it was crazy. Recently invested millions of dollars
Speaker 1: into your hometown Mexico, Missouri. What are you trying to
Speaker 1: build over there? What you got going on.
Speaker 3: Was called credle to career and just giving our young
Speaker 3: kids in Mexico an outlet and the vehicle to try
Speaker 3: to better themselves. And so growing up in Mexico, it's
Speaker 3: eleven thousand people, you know, So when you play in
Speaker 3: in Arena, it's two times more people in the stands
Speaker 3: than it is in my hometown. But it's when I
Speaker 3: grew up, it was always something going on. You know,
Speaker 3: we we're playing baseball outside, we're playing football. All we're
Speaker 3: playing basketball, and now these young kids don't get a
Speaker 3: chance to see a lot of growth, like they just
Speaker 3: you know, nobody's in the park playing basketball, nobody's doing anything.
Speaker 3: So theyn't really don't have no one to look up
Speaker 3: to except for like you know, why I get a
Speaker 3: chance to come home two or three times, you know
Speaker 3: out of the year, which is not enough. It's clearly
Speaker 3: not enough. And so just talking to the kids and
Speaker 3: just talking to the what they call themselves, so they
Speaker 3: say they don't want to be called older, but the
Speaker 3: knowledge of Mexico Missouri, you know, the older crowd. They
Speaker 3: just talk about things that we need and things that
Speaker 3: we can do to try to help our kids. And
Speaker 3: so you know, we're putting in a tutorial program. The
Speaker 3: biggest thing in Mexico, which I didn't know is the
Speaker 3: transportation piece of it, Like kids be able to get
Speaker 3: to and from places, you know, the transportation part. And
Speaker 3: then you know your mother they're working two or three
Speaker 3: jobs now, they can't take the kids there, they can't
Speaker 3: be there with the kids at different function. So just
Speaker 3: trying to put a lot of things in place. We're
Speaker 3: putting in the studio, were putting in the podcasts, center.
Speaker 3: We're putting in a tutorial program of computers and after
Speaker 3: school gramm and barbershop where kids can go and learn
Speaker 3: how to cut hair. So just yeah, different, all the
Speaker 3: different trades that kids can learn to better themselves and
Speaker 3: then hopefully be had to graduate and move on and
Speaker 3: leave Mexico and you know, do better things. And so
Speaker 3: that's my that's my biggest thing. And Steve Bomber's been great,
Speaker 3: you know, Steve Bomber has been great and as far
Speaker 3: as you know, moving this charge along, like he's like,
Speaker 3: you know, I told him what my vision was and
Speaker 3: from day one he's been great and he's been on
Speaker 3: board and he's helped me out a lot. Beautiful.
Speaker 1: You mentioned on the Pivot you missed seven funerals in
Speaker 1: the past year, but felt like didn't feel comfortable leaving
Speaker 1: to go more because the team wasn't doing well. Obviously
Speaker 1: that speaks to the grind, But have you had time
Speaker 1: to kind of step away and spend time with family
Speaker 1: and and and kind of grieve the way you need.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been great.
Speaker 3: You know. I had a chance to go home twice
Speaker 3: in the last you know, month and a half, went
Speaker 3: home from Mother's Day then my mom came out here.
Speaker 4: Then I went back from my fourth to July.
Speaker 3: Weekend, which I do every year, and so just having
Speaker 3: a chance to be with my family, be around them.
Speaker 3: And I know it's tough for my grandma. You know,
Speaker 3: it was tough for her, especially getting older and you know,
Speaker 3: seeing a lot of loved ones you know, lost, and
Speaker 3: so you know, if I could do it all over again,
Speaker 3: I probably would take you know, one or two trips
Speaker 3: to be home, be with my family because, like I said,
Speaker 3: we lost some important people.
Speaker 4: When you lose five games.
Speaker 1: In a row, it's different in a different city.
Speaker 2: Then let me bounce. I'm in Indiana, let me go home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like l a travel market travel to get to Mexicano, Missouri,
Speaker 3: you gotta fly in the Saint Louis.
Speaker 4: Then you got to hire to have driving me.
Speaker 2: Over some area.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's just no, it's just a lot, you know.
Speaker 3: But like I said, losing five games in a row,
Speaker 3: like I didn't want to leave our team, Like oh,
Speaker 3: it's easy to like you know, give in, like okay,
Speaker 3: take the easy way out. And I'm like, man, you
Speaker 3: know what, I'm gonna stick it out. We're gonna ride
Speaker 3: it out and I'm.
Speaker 4: Gonna sure you.
Speaker 3: I'm here like here for the long haul, and our
Speaker 3: guys can respect.
Speaker 6: That all three of your season with the Clippers, and
Speaker 6: it would and it would one up both of Kawhi,
Speaker 6: Pap one of them.
Speaker 7: Out Hi has been dealing with that.
Speaker 3: You know, it's been tough. You know, it's been frustrating,
Speaker 3: you know, especially as a coach. I think as as
Speaker 3: fans of the Clipper fans as an organization, because we
Speaker 3: feel like we have the potential to win a championship.
Speaker 3: We have all the pieces, all the right pieces, and
Speaker 3: we have two great stars like PJ and Kawhi, two
Speaker 3: of the best stars I have ever been around as
Speaker 3: far as Yeah, both ways, two way players, but not
Speaker 3: a headache, Like you can go to them like they're
Speaker 3: not looking for media then are looking for attention. Like
Speaker 3: you can go to those guys and ask them to
Speaker 3: do anything and they'll do it. And it's just unfortunate
Speaker 3: because you know, everybody here the low management and they
Speaker 3: kind of get those guys a hard time. But at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, like they don't want to
Speaker 3: play in the playoffs like those these are real significant injuries,
Speaker 3: you know, and so you know, you try to manage
Speaker 3: guys to get to that point when we get to
Speaker 3: the playoffs, we can finish the season, and it just
Speaker 3: you know, it just hasn't been that way. And so
Speaker 3: it's not a thing where they're sitting out or lower
Speaker 3: management in the playoffs, like that's that's the dumbest shit
Speaker 3: I ever heard. You know, Just what people don't understand.
Speaker 6: It's not Kawhi and Paul making these decisions, right, it's
Speaker 6: the staff in the medical staff.
Speaker 3: And it's smart because when you go through the injury
Speaker 3: they've been through over the course of their career. We
Speaker 3: got to do the right thing to try to be
Speaker 3: healthy going into the playoffs. Investment, yes, our investment, you know,
Speaker 3: so you got to be smart about it, you know.
Speaker 3: But one thing I do, you know, one thing I
Speaker 3: told Kawhi and PG this summer, like we do got
Speaker 3: to poast a regular season in a different way, Like
Speaker 3: we got to be you know, forst a regular season,
Speaker 3: like let's be serious about it. Let's not way to
Speaker 3: the playoffs or yeah, because it matters who you get
Speaker 3: matched up with. I have a home corn advantage not
Speaker 3: fighting the last ten games with the season, so we
Speaker 3: won't be in the play in so now you can
Speaker 3: get rest, you know, now you can now you can
Speaker 3: get yourself together and be ready for the playoffs.
Speaker 4: And so they both understood that as well.
Speaker 1: And I know that's got to be frustrating for you
Speaker 1: because Kawhi will sit out. Then you come in the
Speaker 1: playoffs and average thirty five and lock up and you're
Speaker 1: like okay, yeah, yeah, and then he has to sit
Speaker 1: because the knee starts acting up. So I just know,
Speaker 1: as a competitor and you and a fan of the game,
Speaker 1: that's hard to see.
Speaker 3: As a head coach, Yeah, it's tough because like if
Speaker 3: it wasn't good enough, then you like, you know, it
Speaker 3: is what it is.
Speaker 4: But I think we're good enough, you know, I think
Speaker 4: we're good enough.
Speaker 3: And so with the coaching staff that I have, with
Speaker 3: our players, like you said, the role Players organization's done
Speaker 3: a great job of putting this together, and like, I
Speaker 3: just want to see it just one time. Just let
Speaker 3: me see it one time, and then we can go
Speaker 3: from there and then you can kind of evaluate where
Speaker 3: we're at.
Speaker 6: I'm one, I'm a guy who I know him, but
Speaker 6: he don't know like that. But I'll die for Russ.
Speaker 6: But I love it in front of the train for
Speaker 6: some reason, Dodgs, I just you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: The way he played the game, the way he approach
Speaker 6: it every night, Like I just you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: He's somebody that I wish I could have been his teammate.
Speaker 6: Tell me your opinion of Rush and how you feel
Speaker 6: about Russ.
Speaker 4: I love Russ, I know day one, from day one,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: And when you get a guy like that that plays
Speaker 3: hard every single night and gives you everything every single night.
Speaker 3: And he plays every night and he plays the same
Speaker 3: way everything, So like teams that acquiring more teams that
Speaker 3: you know what you're getting. Like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He's a tough dude, tough minded, you know. And I
Speaker 3: mean what he did for our season, him and Plumbley
Speaker 3: and Balls and Eric Gordon, but with Rust and those
Speaker 3: guys did coming in for the last twenty games.
Speaker 4: With this season, he saved us.
Speaker 3: You know, PG goes down and then he went to
Speaker 3: another level, you know, And so I love him. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. We got a great relationship. I
Speaker 3: can be real with him, he can be real with me,
Speaker 3: and all he wants is the truth. Like we tell
Speaker 3: him the truth and say, Luke Russ, it's what we're
Speaker 3: gonna do. This is how we're gonna use you. It
Speaker 3: could be this with that. He's good with it.
Speaker 4: He respected, you know, and so.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you got to save it from himself because he
Speaker 3: gets you know, he gets fired on you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But so what do you you know, if you're doing
Speaker 4: too much, I'll let you know.
Speaker 3: But be who you are, and I got it's my
Speaker 3: job as a coach to try to make you fit
Speaker 3: into this this puzzle, you know, as far as our team.
Speaker 3: But do be who you are and then give me
Speaker 3: five ten games and I can put you in place
Speaker 3: to be successful.
Speaker 4: And he was great man.
Speaker 1: I loved I think you and Darvin Ham extended his
Speaker 1: career from a standpoint of I feel like and Jack
Speaker 1: talked about earlier and interview player coaches who've been there
Speaker 1: and done that, and I think that he was more susceptible.
Speaker 1: I think it started with Darvin. It might have took
Speaker 1: a little while to accept the role with the Lakers,
Speaker 1: and he accepted it and flourished. And then, like you said,
Speaker 1: when he came over, you explained what he needed, and
Speaker 1: he accepted the roll and flourished. And to me, there's
Speaker 1: a knock on who people think he is, right, not
Speaker 1: who he necessarily is. But I really think you guys
Speaker 1: have mentally helped him grab another five years in this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And the athleticism is still there, IQ,
Speaker 3: the passing like I mean, he was great man, like
Speaker 3: I said. And when he when we found out we
Speaker 3: only had like three point eight to pay him whatever,
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, there's no way we're going to get
Speaker 3: him back, like you know, but he's like, I want
Speaker 3: to win. I want to be in the city I'm from.
Speaker 3: I want to win Clippers never won before and I
Speaker 3: love what we're doing here.
Speaker 4: And so he came back.
Speaker 3: And so you know, a guy like they could have
Speaker 3: went out and got fifteen minutes somewhere else. You don't
Speaker 3: come back for the three point eight. I just tell
Speaker 3: you who he is, and he wants to win. So
Speaker 3: I really appreciated that.
Speaker 6: You rather guy have that motor and pull him back
Speaker 6: to put the mode in him, because he don't.
Speaker 3: Have it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He can't put him motoring. That's why I respect him
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 3: No, every every day practice, not not just games, practice,
Speaker 3: like every day he goes he's going hard every single day.
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I don't where he gets the energy
Speaker 3: from fifteen years in the league, but every day Jack
Speaker 3: no Lie practice every day. And that's what kind of
Speaker 3: helped us get over the hunk too, because when he
Speaker 3: got there, we had like six good practices where we
Speaker 3: can actually go hard and like kind of teaching the
Speaker 3: new guys what we were doing, but actually you know, learning
Speaker 3: some good habits going into the playoffs.
Speaker 4: And man, those six practices.
Speaker 3: He was a monster, a monster, you know, and so
Speaker 3: he allowed us to do that every single not no, no,
Speaker 3: come on, PG.
Speaker 5: Come on, let's you know, And that made it easier
Speaker 5: on me, you know.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying. So it was great, man.
Speaker 3: That's what's up?
Speaker 6: Shout out rush Man. Twenty twenty four. You're moving into
Speaker 6: a new home. You ready for that new arena? How
Speaker 6: you feeling? What does that symbolize?
Speaker 3: It symbolized growth, symbolizes growth for the Clipper organization. And
Speaker 3: I remember when mister Bomber came in, that's what he said.
Speaker 3: I want to build arena. I want to have our fans,
Speaker 3: you know, our place, our home, and so the vision
Speaker 3: came true and he was he was serious about it
Speaker 3: and he got it done. But it definitely symbolizes growth
Speaker 3: for the Clippers organization, I think for the Clippers fans,
Speaker 3: for the city of l A. You know, I know
Speaker 3: it's the Lakers fans, Clipper fans, and but once if
Speaker 3: we're not playing each other, you should cheer for each
Speaker 3: you should cheer for each team because it's home, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like, and so I think we're getting around with coming
Speaker 4: around to that.
Speaker 3: Misch Obama doing a lot of great things in the
Speaker 3: community in Inglewood, putting I think he said was a
Speaker 3: one hundred million or three hundred million in the in
Speaker 3: the in the city of Inglewood, you know, so just
Speaker 3: you're developing that, you know, so that project and so
Speaker 3: just trying to be there for the people man and
Speaker 3: people of La the city of l A.
Speaker 4: And I just think it's you know, it symbolizes his growth.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's super excited, he's so he's so excited. He
Speaker 6: motivated about the number of shiitters.
Speaker 8: Yeah that arena, yeah, yeah, yeah, because his whole thing he.
Speaker 4: Wants more toilet. So now peoples not waiting in line, you're.
Speaker 3: Missing the game. Yeah, everybody be in their seats.
Speaker 6: Yeah. How has it been working with him? And any
Speaker 6: funny stories because I see he he he turned up
Speaker 6: like he' on a red bull every day.
Speaker 3: It's been great because like he taught me more about
Speaker 3: the business side, you know, and people don't get that game,
Speaker 3: well you don't get that game up and learning more
Speaker 3: about the business side, you know. I asked a lot
Speaker 3: of questions about him coming up in Microsoft and kind
Speaker 3: of how he got started. But the biggest thing I
Speaker 3: would say, man's just him and help him with this
Speaker 3: project from Mexico, Missouri. And so I told him when
Speaker 3: he said he would come back home with me, he
Speaker 3: wanted to see like Mexico and and go forward with it.
Speaker 3: We talked about a few times during the season, and
Speaker 3: so after said I'm not gonna worry him and just ask.
Speaker 3: He caught me three times when we going to Mexico.
Speaker 3: When we're going to Mexico, picked me up on his
Speaker 3: private plane. We flew into Jefferson City, Missouri. He went
Speaker 3: down to Mexico, saw the landscape, had a vision, put
Speaker 3: that vision, you know, on paper. Then we started working
Speaker 3: with pr I dreaming her group and then Jenny Goldstock,
Speaker 3: who's helping me on my side and so kind of
Speaker 3: put this whole group together and he donated a lot
Speaker 3: of money to the city and then we just kind
Speaker 3: of went on from there.
Speaker 4: But he's taught me a lot man.
Speaker 7: And then I played with so many teams. Some of
Speaker 7: the teams I don't even know the own right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's but he's genuine. It's not like he's
Speaker 3: treating you as like like it's like family and it's real.
Speaker 3: It's not like I've been around a lot of owners,
Speaker 3: a lot of different people, you know, but it's not
Speaker 3: it's not bullsh it's it's real.
Speaker 1: We got him that first year after Sterling got fired
Speaker 1: and I only had one year, but you could feel it,
Speaker 1: like you said, it's genuine. It's not because of the
Speaker 1: name on the back of your jersey, Like he cares
Speaker 1: about you as a person, which is which is different.
Speaker 2: So that's dope.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Born and raised Mexico, Missouri. What was your upbringing?
Speaker 4: Like it was tough? You know, it was tough.
Speaker 3: You know my mom being a single parent, you know,
Speaker 3: having three kids, my sister Toy, my brother Greg, and
Speaker 3: you know, she was the neighborhood booster. You know. She
Speaker 3: would go on the road and she would you know,
Speaker 3: shoplift and she would come back and sell stuff a
Speaker 3: half price, you know, in the hood. And that's how
Speaker 3: we made our living. I was best dressing in school
Speaker 3: for six seven.
Speaker 5: We had no money, but I'm best dressing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know my dad, you know, he was
Speaker 3: on crack, you know, for you know, majority of my life.
Speaker 4: And so when he went to prison.
Speaker 3: He got out when I was playing for Orlando in
Speaker 3: two thousand and two thousand and three, and we never
Speaker 3: had a great relationship, but we kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: had a relationship.
Speaker 4: When he got out.
Speaker 3: I said, listen, if you get back on drugs, I'm
Speaker 3: not dealing with you no more. And he's been cleaned
Speaker 3: for I think twenty three years. Really yeah, clean, no drink,
Speaker 3: no drugs. We got a great relationship, textan call every game,
Speaker 3: like yeah, so like it just it was great, you know.
Speaker 3: But like the upbringing was tough because you know, in
Speaker 3: Mexico you did wane dabbing a lot of different things.
Speaker 3: So I got into trouble, into trouble a couple of times.
Speaker 3: I had to move to Kansas City my sophomore year
Speaker 3: in high school, live with my uncle Kevin Graves, who
Speaker 3: did a good job of just you know, giving me
Speaker 3: that father figure and teaching me, you know, discipline and
Speaker 3: understanding different things because in Mexico, you know, my mom
Speaker 3: was going out of town two weeks at a time
Speaker 3: doing what she was doing. So I'm staying with my
Speaker 3: grandma and grandpa and they go to be at eight thirty,
Speaker 3: I'm sneaking out of the house, you know, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: going to the Gama spots doing different stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: six seven, eighth grade. And that's kind of like you know, Mexico,
Speaker 3: Like Mexico raises you, it's not really your parents like
Speaker 3: Mexico raises the community. And so I had a lot
Speaker 3: of help from a lot of people. So I saw
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem giving back.
Speaker 1: You mentioned you moved out to Kansas City. I went
Speaker 1: to school with Jerron and Earl. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of talent from out that way. Speak to the talent that.
Speaker 3: Was in.
Speaker 2: I don't Missouri.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of talent coming through, you know,
Speaker 3: Larry Hughes and Darius Miles and Jehia White, Lauren Woods
Speaker 3: on the Saint Louis side, then Jason Tatum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a lot younger.
Speaker 3: But then yeah, Bill, So we had a lot of
Speaker 3: Missouri talent on the Saint Louis side. Then you come
Speaker 3: to Kansas City. We had Derick Hood who was top
Speaker 3: five players in the country, Earl Watson. Then you had
Speaker 3: you know, Jeron Rush myself. So we had a lot
Speaker 3: of talent, you know coming through that through that area.
Speaker 3: Now you got Michael Porter and what's your boy from
Speaker 3: Toronto o g and anob like he's from Missouri. So
Speaker 3: we got a lot of like a lot of talent
Speaker 3: from Missouri. But back then, like there was a grind
Speaker 3: just trying to you know, everybody had a vision of
Speaker 3: getting to this point and so you just had to
Speaker 3: put the work in. And so I'm glad I was
Speaker 3: able to, you know, be one of those people that
Speaker 3: can you know, say I made it.
Speaker 2: Could you speak to Russia's talent.
Speaker 3: Man, listen he him and Anthony Peeler, I would say
Speaker 3: was the best, well him, Anthony Peeler and and Larry
Speaker 3: Hughes as far as talent in high school, not as
Speaker 3: far as NBA careers, but challenged the high spital they
Speaker 3: were three best players they ever come out of Missouri,
Speaker 3: and you got a guy who's six seven, can handle
Speaker 3: push in transition to shoot three point shot, post up
Speaker 3: guard like I mean, he was like one of the
Speaker 3: best players I've ever seen. And you know, just and
Speaker 3: then Kareem come along, then Brandon came along.
Speaker 4: But Jiran like by far.
Speaker 1: The NBA by far, and that's what all do. Respect
Speaker 1: to both the brothers.
Speaker 5: And they would say that too, you know, they would
Speaker 5: say that too.
Speaker 3: But he was by far.
Speaker 6: He was.
Speaker 4: He was a bad dude. I said, yeah, for.
Speaker 3: Sure, so good. It was crazy how good he was.
Speaker 1: Ended up going to Nebraska Big twelve school, played against Paul,
Speaker 1: played against Chauncey a lot more people. But some of
Speaker 1: your favorite memories in college good football team, school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good great football team, Tommy Fraser, Lawrence Fielders,
Speaker 3: rest in peace. So going to Nebraska, some of my
Speaker 3: favorite one of my favorite stories is, you know, I
Speaker 3: got recruited. I wanted to go to Georgia Tech and
Speaker 3: so because I idolized Kenny Anderson a lot growing up,
Speaker 3: and so I wanted to go to Georgia Tech. But
Speaker 3: they had Travis Best who was cold, and then they
Speaker 3: had Stephan Marlbur who was going, so they didn't even
Speaker 3: looked my way. And so we had a game we
Speaker 3: played in the Slamming Gym and uh in l A
Speaker 3: and I got my first start, you know, in that
Speaker 3: in that tournament. And it's a coach called Jimmy Williams.
Speaker 3: He recruited me from Nebraska Danny and he was the
Speaker 3: head coach, but Jimmy Williams in the stands. And so
Speaker 3: after the first game, I had a good game starting whatever,
Speaker 3: played good, and so Shannon Spradland, who was the coach, like, man,
Speaker 3: there's a team that want to talk to you and
Speaker 3: they're talking about they want to offer you a scholarship
Speaker 3: what else? I was excited? What great were you at
Speaker 3: this time my junior summer going into my senior year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so I was like, I'm excited, like thinking Kansas.
Speaker 3: I think he said Nebraska. I was like Nebraska, Nebraska,
Speaker 3: and what He's like, No, you want to talk to you.
Speaker 3: So Jimmy R. Williams like giving credit, like he stayed
Speaker 3: on me from day one. And so after that au situation,
Speaker 3: I didn't pass the ACT test my first time, and
Speaker 3: so like all the schools like Kansas started recruiting me Arkansas,
Speaker 3: Memphis State, Missouri, and Kansas State. And so I didn't
Speaker 3: pass my test, and so all the schools stopped recruiting me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm gonna pass my test.
Speaker 3: Whatever. So Nebraska said, listen, we'll take you to Prop
Speaker 3: forty eight. Like you don't, I said, listen, I'm gonn
Speaker 3: pass the test. If you don't, we'll take you to
Speaker 3: Prop forty eight. So they stayed the whole way. So
Speaker 3: I passed my test, and all the schools try to
Speaker 3: come back. Oh, we knew you were like no, So I.
Speaker 4: Just stuck on thebra because they stuck with me. That's
Speaker 4: kind of a story behind it.
Speaker 1: You mentioned briefly the football team, but talk about what
Speaker 1: those experiences like watching those corn Huskers out there do
Speaker 1: what they did.
Speaker 3: So when I first got there, the football team and
Speaker 3: the basketball team didn't get along.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, but if anyone converge the gap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So so so we came to Nebraska. They said
Speaker 3: we had the worst recruiting class ever in the history
Speaker 3: of Nebraska. So it was me myself, Alvin Mitchell was
Speaker 3: from Omaha, Nebraska. Bernard Garner, who was a junior college
Speaker 3: Player of the Year, Vincent Hamilton and Larry Florence and
Speaker 3: so we got like five six fights with the football players.
Speaker 4: We got suspended.
Speaker 3: We couldn't even go to study hall like they we
Speaker 3: don't wasn't allowed to go to study hall because we
Speaker 3: got kicked out of study hall, So which is good
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to go to seven or nine anywhere,
Speaker 4: so that was that.
Speaker 3: Was cool with me. But like it's like, man, y'all
Speaker 3: the worst recruiting class ever in the history of Nebraska,
Speaker 3: and so we just bumped his and then like after
Speaker 3: a while, they're like, man, these dudes are just so
Speaker 3: they so that we became close. Then Vincent Hamilton he roommate,
Speaker 3: he was roommates with tav Then Kenny Cheating was one
Speaker 3: of my closest friends, Eric Warfield. So like then we
Speaker 3: all became tight and we was all crew. And then
Speaker 3: from that point on the basketball and football team got along.
Speaker 3: It's like, man, we didn't mess with the football I
Speaker 3: mean the basketball team because them guys are the sucker.
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, what y'all talking about?
Speaker 3: Jeron Boone and Eric Strickland, Mikey Moore, they never bridged
Speaker 3: that gap, and so like they took t lou bridged
Speaker 3: that gap.
Speaker 2: They had the football teams that during that time.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety eight draft, taking twenty third overall to the Nuggets,
Speaker 1: traded to Los Angeles for Nick Bennex. So do you
Speaker 1: ever look back in your career and think, like, damn
Speaker 1: if I would have just went to I mean, obviously went
Speaker 1: to a great situation, but what if I would have
Speaker 1: stayed on this path?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I do that all the time, you know, But
Speaker 3: I think God putsh the position you want you to
Speaker 3: be in, and so never looked back and never have
Speaker 3: any regrets. And so but you know, coming out of college,
Speaker 3: you know, I every twenty three points a game, and
Speaker 3: then you get drafted by Denver, like, okay, I can
Speaker 3: go there and make mistakes, get all, maybe get paid,
Speaker 3: you know, and then tim s l get you get
Speaker 3: traded to the Lakers, and everything totally changes. And so
Speaker 3: you're in LA like you know, you're in practice, You're
Speaker 3: playing good, you scoring me and defish going at it.
Speaker 3: And I never seen the floor. I'm like, I'm playing good,
Speaker 3: I'm balling, but I couldn't get on the floor. So
Speaker 3: I had to change my mindset, how to change my mentality,
Speaker 3: and so I try to tell these young guys the
Speaker 3: same thing, like, Okay, you want to be a scorer.
Speaker 3: You scored, but like when you come to the NBA,
Speaker 3: you gotta find a way to get on the floor.
Speaker 3: And so I was like, Okay, if it's playing defense,
Speaker 3: picking up full court, then I do. I never play
Speaker 3: defense in college, but if it's what I gotta do
Speaker 3: to get on the floor, and That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3: And then Phil Jackson started trust me a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Then you get more and more leeway to do more things.
Speaker 3: And so that's kind of like I just had that
Speaker 3: talk with Musa you know today, you know, before the
Speaker 3: game of day, talking to him like you take steps.
Speaker 3: NB is about steps, and so that was one of
Speaker 3: the steps I had to take.
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the doc's favorite lines. Do you
Speaker 1: ever say it was be a star in your role?
Speaker 1: What you need to do running that lane?
Speaker 6: When did you start working out with KG and Chauncey
Speaker 6: last ninety five Joey Abanazza.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Joe Bonar.
Speaker 6: Was Bonazar Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm proud of you trying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tried.
Speaker 4: Me and Chauncey relationship started when we were seventeen.
Speaker 3: Playing in Slamm and Jam he played for the Oakland Soldiers,
Speaker 3: and now we played against each other and we changed numbers.
Speaker 4: We were seventeen years old and we've been best friends since.
Speaker 3: And then Chauncey was, you know, his top top five
Speaker 3: players in the country, so he was tight with Steph
Speaker 3: and mckag and Sham and all those guys. And so
Speaker 3: we went to college. We stayed in contact, and when
Speaker 3: we got drafted, When Chancey got drafted, were represented by
Speaker 3: Andy Miller, So Kevin Gard that had Andy Miller and
Speaker 3: Chauncey and Andy Miller. Stephan Stefan had Andy Miller. So
Speaker 3: that's kind of how we formed that bond. And then
Speaker 3: so Chncey introduced me to KG and then we all
Speaker 3: just had that bond like you know, forever. And then
Speaker 3: we started working out with Joe, which started in Bloomington, Indiana.
Speaker 3: Then we went from there, we went to Sarahsota, Florida,
Speaker 3: and then Joe's like, how do you think about you
Speaker 3: know what you think about you know, taking the shoulder
Speaker 3: to Vegas?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Let's try it.
Speaker 3: And then I think two thousand and five, two thousand
Speaker 3: and six, we moved to Vegas Impact Basketball and it
Speaker 3: took off.
Speaker 6: Rest is history still doing it.
Speaker 1: I needed Jill practice on Friday, Got anything anything? Literally
Speaker 1: put a message on Instagram yesterday a bunch of people
Speaker 1: hitting me up.
Speaker 3: No Joe doing right now?
Speaker 6: Sure, best story you have from those runs? Give me
Speaker 6: quick story from those runs from Impact?
Speaker 3: So you stack, I was saying, I'm about to tell you,
Speaker 3: I'm about to take the story. So one summer it
Speaker 3: was me, Jared Dudley, Alan Anderson, Tayshawn Prince, and Patrick O'Brien.
Speaker 3: So for the whole we never lost a series the
Speaker 3: whole summer. Right, So y'all came in, You came in
Speaker 3: with b D.
Speaker 4: Y'all came in, and.
Speaker 3: We never lost a series the whole summer. So we
Speaker 3: played the whole summer and now we were five middle,
Speaker 3: middle of the pack players. Now we wasn't know, like top,
Speaker 3: top of the line NBA players, and we didn't lose
Speaker 3: the whole summer. So he brought you in, bout bad,
Speaker 3: bought Matt and we still never lost.
Speaker 5: All the big Antoine Walker, all the big dogs.
Speaker 1: We didn't lose that summertime chemistry.
Speaker 3: And we had rotations and and and double A that
Speaker 3: summer Double A was on fire. He was on fire,
Speaker 3: and so they would bring everybody in. So like y'all
Speaker 3: was getting mad.
Speaker 5: Matt wanted to fight and j Jayo wanted to fight.
Speaker 3: Patrick O'Brien. He he picking pop And if we double
Speaker 3: team and y'all double team in the summertime, it's booish
Speaker 3: like he going. So that was the funnest. That was
Speaker 3: the fun of summer.
Speaker 5: Ever ever, I'm we're gonna forget it, Julyie.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, they was cooking, the cooking. They was cooking. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they was in the cooking. That's funny.
Speaker 6: Do you think the current big players really work out
Speaker 6: like that in offseason like y'all did back then.
Speaker 4: I think they work out, but I don't think they compete. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, it's a difference. It's a difference doing between
Speaker 4: doing individual workouts.
Speaker 3: Who know and who you know. So we traveled. Man,
Speaker 3: you go to Houston and man, they bumping in Houston.
Speaker 3: We're gonna go to Houston playing at UCLA. We're gonna
Speaker 3: go to UCLA playing in Vegas.
Speaker 4: Go to Vegas.
Speaker 3: Like we wanted the competition, you know, So we didn't
Speaker 3: want to work out individually. All day and at all.
Speaker 2: We really didn't work out it. We'd lift weights, maybe.
Speaker 3: It was very little.
Speaker 5: We shoot, yeah, shot.
Speaker 3: We would play basket playing basketball, and that's the that's
Speaker 3: a competition. Part of the kind of games kind of
Speaker 3: lost a little bit, you know, just compete.
Speaker 1: Well. I feel like not only a competition, but I
Speaker 1: feel like the basketball IQ with this generation is a
Speaker 1: little bit lower, but the skill levels higher skills because
Speaker 1: they're doing the individual workouts since they were younger now,
Speaker 1: so the skill level is a lot different. But they
Speaker 1: just don't bump, like they don't know how to play
Speaker 1: off the ball, high do you cut?
Speaker 3: How do you.
Speaker 2: Handle the game when you're not in the midst you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I feel like some of it is lost because
Speaker 1: it is so much one on one individual workout.
Speaker 4: Yeah I agree with that, but it's like I said.
Speaker 3: A skill level levels astronomicro like these guys are doing
Speaker 3: the things they're doing now.
Speaker 5: It's crazy, you know.
Speaker 4: But me personally, I want to play.
Speaker 3: I want to book.
Speaker 2: I said, I played a little something.
Speaker 3: I played again.
Speaker 6: I played with so many guys in the NBA, like,
Speaker 6: and they talk about all the people who talked about
Speaker 6: I say, bro. I know some hoopers in the league
Speaker 6: that was better than these guys. They might be in
Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame, but I know I was a hooper.
Speaker 6: I know hoopers that came along this game that never
Speaker 6: get the props to just do that they deserve because
Speaker 6: they bust a lot of those Hall of famers to ask.
Speaker 1: But you also see it in the summer because you know,
Speaker 1: you have a lot of us are role players. So
Speaker 1: in the summer, I mean in the season you're a
Speaker 1: role player, you let the leash off these motherfuckers time.
Speaker 3: Ricky Davis is the main one. J R. Smith. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was the funnest part, Like like playing the summertime.
Speaker 3: What because you got me as a you know, a
Speaker 3: role player. You gotta play a role every single night.
Speaker 3: So that's okay, I'm fine with that. But in the summertime,
Speaker 3: I'm going after Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then as sinners, we're done with that. Were fighting
Speaker 2: the bitches?
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, I'm going to see them. Did you did
Speaker 6: you uh rock with the U s l A Run?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's why I bad bad Joy bead Or.
Speaker 5: They were still in college.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so they were coming.
Speaker 4: They would play and.
Speaker 2: They ustill call t Lou. I'm not talking about best,
Speaker 2: but t he f you mean, man, you.
Speaker 6: Know I know that.
Speaker 5: I'm coaching now the day.
Speaker 3: This is why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying, would be active on the court, and
Speaker 1: then if you wanted something to do, just hit them up.
Speaker 2: They would find something that if y'all wanted to do something.
Speaker 3: Hit them up.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I'm just gonna put it like this. We ain't
Speaker 3: even get in that. Just know he allegends, he's agend Yes,
Speaker 3: put that to bed.
Speaker 4: But I mean, you see l A runs with the
Speaker 4: best runs ever.
Speaker 3: Man. But my first year of the lockout season, yeah,
Speaker 3: I walked in the gym chem Olajah want Scottie Pippen,
Speaker 3: Kobe Shack like man, I was in heaven, in heaven,
Speaker 3: and I played against my idol, Kenny Anderson.
Speaker 4: I mean, I was in heaven, tell you bro.
Speaker 1: And then we were dope too because we kept our
Speaker 1: little UCLA squad. That's to me, that's what got us
Speaker 1: to the pros. Because say what you want about the
Speaker 1: regular season, but those bumps against people like him and
Speaker 1: people he mentioned like, we got to see that every
Speaker 1: single day. Every day in the summertime lockout, you come
Speaker 1: into a lockout, Right, that's your first year because that
Speaker 1: was my freshman year of college.
Speaker 2: What was that like?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously now you're drafted, you come in into
Speaker 1: a season lockout hits, But how do you say.
Speaker 3: How do you do? You have money?
Speaker 1: How you make the money stretches their money to stretch
Speaker 1: you in la you want to have fun?
Speaker 3: Like what was that first lockout part of your first year? Like? First,
Speaker 3: first of all, the first part of taking out a
Speaker 3: line of credit, you know, trying to take out a
Speaker 3: line of credit because you not know when the lockout
Speaker 3: is going to end. And a lockout ends, now you
Speaker 3: find out, Okay, I'm making wasn't making five seventy five
Speaker 3: or something like that? Now you get half of that
Speaker 3: because the lockout here, you're only playing fifty games, so
Speaker 3: you're looking like, man, everybody's interest.
Speaker 5: That yeah yeah, and that FI hundred yeah yeah it's
Speaker 5: three hundred.
Speaker 3: So you know, you get drafted, so everybody about man,
Speaker 3: he's rich. He on TV, Like, no, I'm broke, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So just that was the biggest thing,
Speaker 3: like coming too the lockout, like man, not having any money.
Speaker 3: But the first thing I did with my money, I
Speaker 3: bought my mama my mama car, bought my grandma car.
Speaker 4: And my mom never had a car.
Speaker 3: My whole year, my whole life growing up, we never
Speaker 3: had a car, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I bought her escalade. You know, she was happy,
Speaker 4: and then I bought my grandma car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they was doing it out there for years.
Speaker 3: Just the biggest thing was being broken, then just having
Speaker 3: a grind man, just grind, grind, grind, and then playing
Speaker 3: fifty games and guys can playing about back to backs.
Speaker 3: We played back to back to back, played three games
Speaker 3: in a row, you know a few times that year,
Speaker 3: shocking and played it. They didn't complain like back to
Speaker 3: back to back, and so it was a grind man.
Speaker 3: But the biggest thing from that was just being broke,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Just having to grind and
Speaker 3: just trying to get through.
Speaker 1: That year coming from Mexico, Missouri and then Nebraska.
Speaker 7: What was that?
Speaker 1: La just lifestyle Palm trees saying, women lifestyle. It's just
Speaker 1: a whole nother How did you how did you guys
Speaker 1: take that?
Speaker 6: In?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 3: Me and Dudles hit the ground with twenty one. So
Speaker 3: me and Doodles first get here and so who took
Speaker 3: us up under the wing was Eddie Jones. Eddie Jones
Speaker 3: took us up under his wing. Move Yeah, and we
Speaker 3: went out twenty seven nights in a row, Hey, Matt,
Speaker 3: twenty seven nights and Dwey Doodles twenty seven nights in
Speaker 3: a roll stack for real, and like, man, and that
Speaker 3: right there, just that just changed who I was, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: never drank, never smoked, you know what I'm saying, But
Speaker 3: like the just over y eyes to a lot of
Speaker 3: different things.
Speaker 2: Man, it was.
Speaker 3: It was crazy. And so you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: people can't play in l a you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: open jays to a whole nother hold little lifestyle and
Speaker 3: it's just different, you know what I'm saying. So, but
Speaker 3: I had great vets that that kept me straight. B Shaw,
Speaker 3: Robert or Horse, Grant, Rick Fox, you know, de Fish
Speaker 3: and Shock. They took me like, no, you're not doing this.
Speaker 3: They took me under the wing and got me straight
Speaker 3: when I'm supposed to do. And that's kind of like
Speaker 3: what I think is missing in the game today. The veteran,
Speaker 3: the vetterer gone man, because even if they're not playing, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they can't keep it present.
Speaker 2: Yes, traveling, Yeah, taking you out twenty seventh straight night.
Speaker 6: You don't get you don't want to do that, Bro,
Speaker 6: You trust me, you don't want to do that. You
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. To give them that game?
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying seven straight back
Speaker 9: in the summer. It was summertime though it wasn't during
Speaker 9: the season season. But but I've been saying, like we
Speaker 9: did Bets a missing Man, like just.
Speaker 3: We had to teach, you know, just different things man,
Speaker 3: and so you know, the young teacher to young so
Speaker 3: hopefully we can get together. Ye.
Speaker 1: First impression of Kobe, I think you come into him
Speaker 1: your rookie years, his third year, he's just.
Speaker 2: Starting to kind of come into it.
Speaker 3: A killer, a killer man, and a guy that never
Speaker 3: loses confidence. And so you know, looking at Russ, like
Speaker 3: he has that same mentality, like you think of a
Speaker 3: guy like, oh, Russ, he can't shoot, he can't man, Russ,
Speaker 3: so he missed like two or three shots in a row.
Speaker 3: And Dante Jones like, man, you can't shoot, Rus said,
Speaker 3: man I had two scoring titles.
Speaker 4: Man I got with twenty five.
Speaker 3: I carry about missing the shot like and that's the
Speaker 3: mentality Kobe had, like he felt.
Speaker 4: Every night on the floor he was the best player
Speaker 4: in the world, and you know, just just being to
Speaker 4: work with him.
Speaker 3: And so I was hurt. I got hurt my first year,
Speaker 3: my second year and Kobe broke his hand. And so
Speaker 3: they would go on team, go on the road, trips,
Speaker 3: go on the road, and we were staying grind and
Speaker 3: play one on one every single day, one on one,
Speaker 3: full court. He's playing left handed, like yeah, he was
Speaker 3: just a killer man. And every single day, like you know,
Speaker 3: he worked out of five third in the morning, first
Speaker 3: guy to be there, last got to leave. And he
Speaker 3: just wanted to be the best, like he wanted to
Speaker 3: be the greatest of all time. And so, Larry, you
Speaker 3: would tell a story about Kobe. We played Minnesota and
Speaker 3: after the no, no, I'm sorry, I wasn't there yet.
Speaker 3: They played Minnesota and after the Minnesota game, Kobe's in
Speaker 3: the locker room and he was just sitting there just smiling,
Speaker 3: and Larry, she was like, man, what what you smiled about?
Speaker 3: He said, Man, I had this game circle on my
Speaker 3: calendar since the beginning of the season. He's like, what game?
Speaker 4: He said, Man, we play Chicago tomorrow. Back to back.
Speaker 3: Larry, you said, young Feller, be careful what.
Speaker 5: You asked for, that you playing against Black Jesus, not
Speaker 5: be careful what you asked for.
Speaker 3: He said no, but I had this date circled on
Speaker 3: my count and that's just how he thought. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, twenty years old, nineteen twenty years old,
Speaker 3: that's how you're thinking.
Speaker 4: You want to play against Michael Jordan.
Speaker 5: You suckle Michael Jordan on your calendar.
Speaker 4: That's just the mindset that he had.
Speaker 3: Man, you had to kill list in high school?
Speaker 6: Did he all the top players in our class marking
Speaker 6: them off as he's playing kill list?
Speaker 7: Jermaine O'Neill, Richard A.
Speaker 3: Rip Ham. So I wasn't on that, because wouldn't. That's
Speaker 3: who he was man every single day like in practice, shooting, drills, sprints,
Speaker 3: condition everything that's he wanted to win, every single thing.
Speaker 1: And that's that's why it was a great Your second
Speaker 1: year as it second year Field comes, yeh, second year.
Speaker 1: First impressions of Field.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even know how to put in
Speaker 3: the words like because really you in awe like coach
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan, somebody you grew up, idolizing and loving, and
Speaker 3: then just his presence, like when he walks into a room,
Speaker 3: like his presence is like it's like none other. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so the things I learned from Phil, which was
Speaker 3: the best, is he coached in practice. He coached hard
Speaker 3: in practice, but in the games, he lets you figure
Speaker 3: it out, Like he's not jumping up, cussing, going crazy,
Speaker 3: because it's hard to play as a player, especially as
Speaker 3: a role player, Like if you make a mistake, you
Speaker 3: got to look back and they cussing that coach coaches
Speaker 3: going crazy. You play on egg shells, but he lets
Speaker 3: you figure it out. And so I respect that about Phil,
Speaker 3: just his presence and when he came in he had
Speaker 3: instant credibility and that's what Kobe and Shaq needed, Like
Speaker 3: he held those two guys accountable. I'm gonna holding my
Speaker 3: best two players accountable every single day like me, Fish
Speaker 3: and all everybody. He didn't care about it, well, he
Speaker 3: didn't care about us every day. Film session, the first
Speaker 3: fifteen clips was Kobe and Shaq of how they got
Speaker 3: to be better every single day and ship we all
Speaker 3: had a fall on line after that, like you're gonna
Speaker 3: beat Kobe and Shaq you ain't got no problem from us.
Speaker 1: You know, So what was the You know, obviously Field
Speaker 1: got there and kind of wrangled them the best he could,
Speaker 1: you know, for your guys' greaterst success. But what what
Speaker 1: did you see being in the locker room day to
Speaker 1: day all the shit you what did you kind of
Speaker 1: see maybe the disconnect being between those two. Was it
Speaker 1: Shaq obviously his team and he's this and then he
Speaker 1: sees this young fella coming up? Or what did you
Speaker 1: kind of see between those two?
Speaker 4: I think both of them just wanted to be the best.
Speaker 3: I mean I don't think you know, you know, Shaka
Speaker 3: said today like Kobe was, He's gonna be Kobe like
Speaker 3: you wasn't no holding him back, you know, the two
Speaker 3: air balls and you told her that ain't nothing like
Speaker 3: he was gonna be great. And Shock and he saw that.
Speaker 3: And I think the biggest thing they both just wanted
Speaker 3: to win at a high level. And they thought Shock
Speaker 3: thought posting the basketball every single time was gonna get
Speaker 3: it done. Kobe thought, me on the wing, I isolate,
Speaker 3: we was gonna get it done. But they came to
Speaker 3: common grounds and understand, like listen, we put it together,
Speaker 3: we can win they did it. They did it, you know,
Speaker 3: and I was there and b Shaw and like I said,
Speaker 3: b Shaw and Robert Orry had a big, a big
Speaker 3: role on that, you know, just bringing those two together,
Speaker 3: but just being able to do it together. After we
Speaker 3: won that first championship and it was over, they was like,
Speaker 3: it was like this, you know, you see Kobe run
Speaker 3: jumping Shack's arms, grand like, and it was over. Once
Speaker 3: they won.
Speaker 4: It seemed like the blueprint of how we could win.
Speaker 4: It was over from there.
Speaker 1: Two thousand finals versus the Pacers, We're seeing Kobe turn
Speaker 1: into a star in front of our eyes. Jayden Rose
Speaker 1: spoke to this about that series. It's a new part
Speaker 1: of our show. We never did this shit before.
Speaker 3: He's coming off party. We hit us with the get
Speaker 3: down and laid down.
Speaker 10: That was dope because he was arguing with their bench
Speaker 10: like I used to hear Phil yelling at Kobe passed.
Speaker 3: The ball, the ball, Get off of it, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: get off of it.
Speaker 10: I don't know again, he watched it right and Shaq
Speaker 10: fouled out.
Speaker 3: Hey, man, Cole, I love Cole so much.
Speaker 10: He went to work on us and then he hit
Speaker 10: that jumper at the top of the kid, and he
Speaker 10: did this that.
Speaker 3: Wasn't even to us, that was to his team.
Speaker 10: When Cole first got drafted to the probably shouldn't say,
Speaker 10: I'm just trying not to say too much of what
Speaker 10: I know, but like Cole was presented by his own teammates,
Speaker 10: by his own teammates, I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: They was hating on him. I'm like, why y'all gonna
Speaker 3: hate on him? Because he was that confident. But he
Speaker 3: ain't hen't even like go out, he ain't dreams.
Speaker 2: He was over at UCLA with us, we was in college.
Speaker 2: He was a laker on campus.
Speaker 1: Chilling when you hear stuff like that, taking you back
Speaker 1: to those times, what comes to your mind?
Speaker 3: Man, just a killer, just like we talked about it,
Speaker 3: just you know, shock foul out. So like everybody kind
Speaker 3: of panicked. So they thought, like, okay, shock foult out.
Speaker 3: We got to move the ball, we gotta get everybody involved.
Speaker 3: Gott to play a different style of basketball. And so
Speaker 3: I think Covid missed like three shots in a row.
Speaker 3: He like took a couple of bad shots whatever, and
Speaker 3: he missed three shots in a row. So guy's like, man,
Speaker 3: you gott to move the ball. And Field was on
Speaker 3: him a little bit in the time out and he
Speaker 3: came out. I think he might have scored like twelve
Speaker 3: straight or something, and then he hit that big shot
Speaker 3: and he was.
Speaker 5: Like relaxed, like I got this.
Speaker 3: And after that, after that series, then that's when he
Speaker 3: it was over. It was over, relaxed, I got it.
Speaker 2: So you know.
Speaker 3: The reporter asked Kobe, He's like, you know, your teammates
Speaker 3: say you don't trust him, You don't, He said, how
Speaker 3: do you feel about that? He said, well, I feel
Speaker 3: like I got a better chance of making a shot
Speaker 3: over two people than the guy. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, You got a series?
Speaker 3: Serious, serious, you know. So you know I love him,
Speaker 3: We love you. Show with that, and with that, he
Speaker 3: might just make this ship out of.
Speaker 1: Man two thousand and one, fifteen to one in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: the infamous step over with Alan Iverson. He spoke to
Speaker 1: that on our show, and I think surprised a lot
Speaker 1: of people with his answer. Let's take a look at that.
Speaker 1: You guys run into the Lakers in the two thousand
Speaker 1: and one finals, go into La Get Game one, when
Speaker 1: you hit the jumper on Tulu and stepped over I
Speaker 1: mean that still gets played daily looking back now almost
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, what do you think about that?
Speaker 3: I don't like it.
Speaker 11: Really, he was giving me so many problems, man, straight doll,
Speaker 11: Like when I stepped over him, it was like I
Speaker 11: ain't knowing I did it, and then they try to
Speaker 11: get me to mimic that shit years later, like, I
Speaker 11: don't even know how.
Speaker 3: To do it.
Speaker 11: You don't know when you're gonna do something. You don't
Speaker 11: know the emotions in the game or what go on
Speaker 11: throughout the game. It can be a coach that pitched
Speaker 11: you off and you react a certain way, you know,
Speaker 11: to basically tell him, yeah, look what I did that moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.
Speaker 7: It was dope when you look back on it, but
Speaker 7: I just don't like it.
Speaker 1: Obviously a moment we live in a social media moment
Speaker 1: now that wasn't back then, but it's still something that
Speaker 1: kind of surfaces around. Speak to that moment, and then
Speaker 1: also your relationship with him at.
Speaker 3: The moment, you know, Like I said, people make a
Speaker 3: big deal out of it, like he crossed me over
Speaker 3: and I fell down and they stepped over me. Like
Speaker 3: here a contested shot. I stepped back and I failed.
Speaker 3: He stepped over top of me. And you know, for me,
Speaker 3: it wasn't even a big deal. Still to this day,
Speaker 3: it's not a big deal. And you get kids like,
Speaker 3: oh that's the guy. You weren't even born the same
Speaker 3: I'm on that same mixtape. They showed me more highlights
Speaker 3: after they're falling, So I'm with you, But it wasn't
Speaker 3: even a big deal, like to me, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. People make a big deal of it, like
Speaker 3: it's part of history and that's okay. Like I love
Speaker 3: I love Ai even before the series, like it's somebody idolized.
Speaker 3: He's two years older than me.
Speaker 4: But like man the corn rolls from the hood, like
Speaker 4: my height, all the things.
Speaker 2: That the girls like.
Speaker 3: But like he he changed our game, like to get
Speaker 3: the culture of our game, like the change you know, Jordan,
Speaker 3: they weren't suits, they like te white teas, change braids,
Speaker 3: Like he changed the game for us as from where
Speaker 3: we come from. That's huge for us because a lot
Speaker 3: of times, you know, it's young black men. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: not comfortable wearing a suit, and if I get a suit,
Speaker 3: it might be a two h suit. Eddie Jones laughing
Speaker 3: at me, like what you got on? You know, you're
Speaker 3: always teasing people. So like he changed the culture for
Speaker 3: us and made it okay to be an NBA player
Speaker 3: but also be who you are. And so I idolized
Speaker 3: this dude. I told him from day one. And so
Speaker 3: when I played him every day in practice before he
Speaker 3: played in the finals, like just mimicking who he was
Speaker 3: and feel like play fast, do this. I knew every
Speaker 3: movie did Like I was so happy two weeks of
Speaker 3: just being a man. Move And so I played against
Speaker 3: him in the game. I knew everything he was gonna do,
Speaker 3: like I swear to God, stack every every move, every counter,
Speaker 3: and so you know to me, like I said, I
Speaker 3: idolize a dude. And so if it's a moment in
Speaker 3: history and he deserves it, like he deserves it, like
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't make me no.
Speaker 6: No was that because how he is the love for you,
Speaker 6: for you like he don't like people try to make
Speaker 6: it as it seem like he be littling you.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Because the love he got
Speaker 3: for you, that's why he don't like it. And I
Speaker 3: love but I mean you ai, I'm t lou and
Speaker 3: I don't have no problem with that. Like I'm a realizah.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a dog like you know all you like,
Speaker 3: like I'm I'm a dog, Like I'm a guard every night.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna back down. If you got a scrap,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna scrap. You know what I'm saying. So it
Speaker 3: is what it is. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: like he's m v P and I'm just I'm just
Speaker 3: happy to be able to have a chance to compete
Speaker 3: against him and I high level, so I'm giving everything
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 4: But like I say, that's my guy, Like if he
Speaker 4: needed it and whatever, that's that's my guy.
Speaker 6: To the end.
Speaker 3: They don't know.
Speaker 7: Chuck is one of the most sensitive NBA players ever.
Speaker 6: He cried all that he gonna tell you he loved
Speaker 6: you twenty times, twenty times.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: People don't just a random phone call out the blue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love you, Yeah, And I love it too.
Speaker 3: To get a chance to compete against him in two
Speaker 3: thousand and one, I don't know where I would be because,
Speaker 3: like you know what I'm saying, Like, you don't know
Speaker 3: if you don't get that opportunity, like I was like
Speaker 3: on the bench kind of you know what I'm I
Speaker 3: didn't play till six minutes to go in the third quarter.
Speaker 4: I didn't play the whole first half, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So, like having an opportunity to compete against him, like
Speaker 3: it just it changed my career, changed my life.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that two thousand and one team one of the greatest,
Speaker 1: the greatest of all time, all time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the greatest of all time for sure. Nobody could
Speaker 4: beat that team.
Speaker 2: Who was so it was name that wrote who who's
Speaker 2: on that roster with y'all?
Speaker 3: Derek Fisher, Ron Harper, Brian Shaw, Rick Fox Horse, Grant
Speaker 3: Shack Cold.
Speaker 2: There, Yeah you came.
Speaker 3: Robert or Yeah. So I mean it wasn't.
Speaker 4: I'm just basing off of shock and Cold, like people
Speaker 4: talk about, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Draymond got crazy, Like yeah, I mean nobody see
Speaker 3: the problem is what they don't understand is Shack, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, we can you can double team guard Shack,
Speaker 3: forget everything, forget everything else, Like how you're gonna guard
Speaker 3: Shack Like that's that's the biggest thing, because now you're
Speaker 3: in the bonus for six minutes to go in the game.
Speaker 3: I mean, the in the quarter. Now Kobe gets loose,
Speaker 3: you can't touch him now. Line, So like how you
Speaker 3: gonna guard Shack? That's what people who understand like that was.
Speaker 3: That was the best. That was the great team of
Speaker 3: all time to me for sure, Kobe, any Kobe and
Speaker 3: Shack team, I don't see how you can how you
Speaker 3: can beat that team.
Speaker 1: Shack off the court, the biggest kid you'll ever meet
Speaker 1: on the court, a monster. You got to see both
Speaker 1: sides of him. Talk to us just about him as
Speaker 1: a person, and then off the court and on the court.
Speaker 3: Off the court, when of the funnels got ever been around,
Speaker 3: the biggest thing was shocked, Like he really genuinely cared
Speaker 3: about people, you know, like bought mad Dog a truck,
Speaker 3: bought me, you know, a whole wardrobe, bought me a car.
Speaker 3: When I first met him, I met him at Sentry Club.
Speaker 3: They come to my house tomorrow, my chepherd's cooking, come
Speaker 3: up to the crib. Gave me twenty thousand cash Like
Speaker 3: I'm in the league. Like you know what I'm saying, lockout,
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like that's just who he is,
Speaker 3: Like he's a given person, you know, a genuine guy.
Speaker 3: And so I asked him one. I said, Man, Shack,
Speaker 3: how you be going out all the time. He's like,
Speaker 3: the more you go out, the more they see you,
Speaker 3: the more they won't bother you. Like, if I'm in
Speaker 3: the house and I don't ever come out see you
Speaker 3: see Shack, You're gonna go crazy. But man shocks at
Speaker 3: them all shocks at fat burgersh He's always out. So
Speaker 3: then it becomes, oh, it's just shocked. And it's kind
Speaker 3: of a smart way to live. So when you're that
Speaker 3: big time, you know what I'm saying, it's hard to
Speaker 3: go out you know a lot of times. And so
Speaker 3: he just kind of made itself like amongst the people,
Speaker 3: just put itself amongst the people, and it was an
Speaker 3: easy way for him to live. And it was it was.
Speaker 3: It was dope.
Speaker 4: But as a player, like the most dominant guy I've
Speaker 4: ever seen, Like, I mean, what can you do with him?
Speaker 3: Like post up? He could pass, He's aged put the
Speaker 3: ball on the floor passing. And I think, you know,
Speaker 3: I think when Field came to the Lakers in kind
Speaker 3: of games, some structure of putting that triangle in, I mean,
Speaker 3: it was over like just having some structure. But like
Speaker 3: he's the most dominant guy I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 6: A lot of people, a lot of people forget that
Speaker 6: they was on their way to Ford Peton. You don't
Speaker 6: even remember that. Yeah, like they were going to win four. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's crazy. Two thousand and one, you signed with the Wizards.
Speaker 6: What was it like playing with the foart of Yo MJ?
Speaker 4: I didn't care. He was ninety.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, come on, man, like, get a chance to
Speaker 3: play with with m Man. It was like it was
Speaker 3: a blessing, you know, like I said, my career has
Speaker 3: been blessed. Like I said it just when I first
Speaker 3: saw well, when he first called initially because he was
Speaker 3: he was part of the front office, and I heard
Speaker 3: his voice, I'm like, man, what are you serious? Like
Speaker 3: MJ calling me, like called and we want you to
Speaker 3: come in with the Wizards. Whatever he said, I'm thinking
Speaker 3: about coming back.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: We didn't discuss it, you know, didn't. He didn't go
Speaker 3: public for a while. But then just when I first
Speaker 3: met him, just in Awe, man, like just having a
Speaker 3: chance to you know, see Black Jesus in person, like
Speaker 3: talk to him, be his teammate like I was in
Speaker 3: Awe and my first year playing with him, and I
Speaker 3: just didn't. I didn't know what to do, like you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like you know, throwing to him
Speaker 3: every time and just go stand or he's like no
Speaker 3: play like but you just get so messed with r
Speaker 3: By who he is about forty? He was forty, Hea
Speaker 3: was twenty points a game at the age of forty
Speaker 3: on one leg because his knee was messed up. He
Speaker 3: and he played eighty two games at the age of
Speaker 3: forty on one leg and play all eighty two games.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I just tell you who he is.
Speaker 7: Crazy eighty two games.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 6: Two thousand and three, Yeah, you're on five teams in
Speaker 6: five years. What's ther most memorable team since two thousand
Speaker 6: and three?
Speaker 3: After two thousand and three, Yeah, two thousand and three, I.
Speaker 4: Had a chance to play with Dirk and j Kidd
Speaker 4: in Dallas. That was dope.
Speaker 7: Glad you wasn't in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 3: Atlanta with Joe Johnson and Al and Twinna was good.
Speaker 3: But I think I didn't play in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: But I think that run the Dwight Howard never had
Speaker 3: when he went to the finals in two thousand and
Speaker 3: nine against the Lakers. That that was a fun year
Speaker 3: for me because it was my last year. I didn't
Speaker 3: play and I was just along for the ride. But
Speaker 3: it was it was It was a great ride.
Speaker 1: Speak to Dwight thought, because people don't understand. I think
Speaker 1: they currently And when he went to the Lakers, he
Speaker 1: hurt his back, that Dwight Howard because I came to
Speaker 1: the next year that that Dwight Howard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that Dwight was supposed to be the
Speaker 3: next Shock and he could have been, like said, he
Speaker 3: didn't hurt his back, but dominant defensively, like one of
Speaker 3: the best defensive players we've ever seen in this game.
Speaker 3: Like and then his athletic ability, you know, give me
Speaker 3: if he gets me on the defense, don't even just
Speaker 3: go the other way like it's a it's a dunk,
Speaker 3: it's over. And then when he mature and got better
Speaker 3: for ceiling the paint, ducking in because was great for him,
Speaker 3: stany ban gunny, like we're not gonna throw it to
Speaker 3: you on the post every single time, like we're gonna
Speaker 3: run stuff for charlotteis picking Poppy on now we're going
Speaker 3: down the gut. And it made the game easy for
Speaker 3: him and he was able to understand how easy it
Speaker 3: is to play the game, you know, and so. But
Speaker 3: like far as defensively, I've never seen a better defensive
Speaker 3: player in my time. You know, have you stacked? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean block shots, rebound and so. And then the
Speaker 3: athletic Billy had like far As going upstairs like he
Speaker 3: was dominant man. And it's unfortunately with injuries. You know,
Speaker 3: he hurt his back and you know, he wasn't ever
Speaker 3: like the same player. Still a really good player, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, but he wasn't the same player,
Speaker 3: and the potential is like what he was supposed to
Speaker 3: be after he heard his back.
Speaker 7: What was the process of you land in the CALVS job?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: I was on doc staff in twenty thirteen and it
Speaker 3: was with Matt and CP, DeAndre Blake, JJ and Jamal
Speaker 3: So we had we had a great team. And after
Speaker 3: that summer, I mean after that season, it was summertime
Speaker 3: and I had a chance to interview Hick interview for
Speaker 3: the head coaching job with Cleveland, and so I flew
Speaker 3: down to Cleveland interview for the head coaching job. And
Speaker 3: when I left Cleveland, I flew back to Vegas. I
Speaker 3: could it was said. With summertime, I flew back to
Speaker 3: Vegas and so I thought I had the job. So
Speaker 3: David Griffin told me, like, you know, I think it's
Speaker 3: a good chance you might have a job, and so,
Speaker 3: you know, we want to prepare you for everything. So
Speaker 3: I called Doc like, man, I think I got a
Speaker 3: good chance to get the job. And then you know,
Speaker 3: a day later, it's like, you know what, we might
Speaker 3: go with David Black, you know. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I was kind of bummed about it. I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, cool, you know whatever, I'm going back to
Speaker 3: the Clippers. And so.
Speaker 4: They hired David Black.
Speaker 3: And then the next day David Griffin call was like, hey,
Speaker 3: we wanna make you associated head coach.
Speaker 4: I was like, no, I'm cool, Like I'm loyal, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Sometime to a fault and I was like, no, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna stay with doct Like you know, if I'm on
Speaker 3: a DOC, I'm gonna get a head coaching job anyway,
Speaker 3: because he's the most you know, he's one of the
Speaker 3: top two or three coaches in the league. So I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get a head job anyway. And the team that
Speaker 3: we had was good enough to be on TV every night.
Speaker 3: I was a defensive coordinator and so I was gonna
Speaker 3: get the opportunity. So I wasn't really tripping about that.
Speaker 3: So then he came back. It was like, you know,
Speaker 3: we want to offer you one point two million a year,
Speaker 3: one point two, one point three, one point four. I'm
Speaker 3: getting three. I'm getting three seventy five with the Clippers.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I'm like, that's a lot
Speaker 3: of money. So I asked b Shaw. He said, man,
Speaker 3: you gotta take it. I was like, no, man, I'm
Speaker 3: loyal to Doc. You know I talked to j Jerry Wes.
Speaker 3: You know, he cussed me out, going you gotta take it.
Speaker 3: I said, nah, I'm gonna stay with Doc. Man, I
Speaker 3: ain't gonna take this job. He's like, man, if you
Speaker 3: don't leave Doc, now they gonna think you're never gonna
Speaker 3: be able to leave and they never offer your job.
Speaker 3: Like I was like, I'm not gonna do it. And
Speaker 3: so my agent said you sure, Like I'm sure. So
Speaker 3: we called Griff back like, no, he's not gonna do it.
Speaker 3: He said, well, what's he want to do. I was like,
Speaker 3: I just don't want to do say came back with
Speaker 3: another offer. I was like, nah, I ain't taking He said, well,
Speaker 3: what's he want? I said, man, just tell him one six,
Speaker 3: one eight, two million, two to two Major. Callback said done.
Speaker 3: I said what I like what he's like? They said yes.
Speaker 3: So I called Doc back and Doc was like, you
Speaker 3: know what, like to that kind of money you got
Speaker 3: to and I think it's time for you just kind
Speaker 3: of expand your wings and just kind of do your
Speaker 3: own thing and let people know that you can stand
Speaker 3: on your own.
Speaker 4: Was this That was twe fourteen.
Speaker 6: So you were there when I came for that short
Speaker 6: little time ten days for the clips.
Speaker 3: I was up for two weeks.
Speaker 4: I was gone, Yeah, I was gone, yeah. And so
Speaker 4: he's like, you gotta you gotta take that job.
Speaker 3: And so that's kind of like I went to Cleveland
Speaker 3: the first time and then coach Black guy fired medway
Speaker 3: through the season. I took over.
Speaker 1: What was it like sliding into that first because, like
Speaker 1: you said earlier, like Coach Black didn't do a terrible job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did a good job.
Speaker 2: What was it like sliding over one seat?
Speaker 7: I think nobody, nobody just didn't know who he was, Like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 3: Scared to be. I was scared and I'll never forget,
Speaker 3: you know. David Griffin called me. I was my way
Speaker 3: to a dinni's appointment. He said, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Someone my way to the dentist. He was like, we
Speaker 3: had a day off, and he was like, I need
Speaker 3: you to come into the office. I was like, I
Speaker 3: got here's the point. He's like, just we scheduled come
Speaker 3: into the office. So I came into the office and
Speaker 3: he was like, how are you feeling. I'm feeling good.
Speaker 3: Like what's going on? He said, we just we just
Speaker 3: fired David. I was like, you know, David coach Black?
Speaker 3: Like who's He's like coach Black. I'm like why.
Speaker 4: He's like, we want to hire you to head coach.
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I can't do it.
Speaker 3: Like I was scared. I'm serious, I'm scared. Like you
Speaker 3: got bron James, you got Kyrie k Love the expectations
Speaker 3: and so I was like, so I called Doc first.
Speaker 4: I said, man, I gotta call Doc.
Speaker 3: Called Doc. Doc said, Ty, you gotta take it to
Speaker 3: you know, black coaches don't get opportunity to have a
Speaker 3: championship caliber team. He said, yeah, he said, you ready,
Speaker 3: I said, Doc, I don't know if I'm ready. Like
Speaker 3: I mean, I put it all the work in, but
Speaker 3: I've never sat there before, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I never said that before. And he was like, you
Speaker 3: got to take the job, Like you got to. I
Speaker 3: was like, man that called Jay West. He went crazy,
Speaker 3: you're going to take the job.
Speaker 5: If you don't, somebody else.
Speaker 3: Is gonna take it. So I like I took the job.
Speaker 3: And like I said, I was scared.
Speaker 4: I was nervous, you know because I didn't know, like
Speaker 4: we haven't had a training camp.
Speaker 3: It's not my team, it's not my play, like what
Speaker 3: we put in a lot of our stuff because you know,
Speaker 3: the second year we had to put more convention on
Speaker 3: NBA set tennents to oversee stuff. But it was just
Speaker 3: I was scared. And like I said, I give Kyrie
Speaker 3: Braun and k Love and trusting them to credit like
Speaker 3: they like, man, listen, do your thing.
Speaker 7: You ready, You're.
Speaker 3: Gonna make mistakes. We got your back one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And that's what made my job a lot easier. And
Speaker 3: so like I said, shout out to those guys, you know,
Speaker 3: Shump and Jr. And trusting all those guys. They really
Speaker 3: had my back, and so I was able to make
Speaker 3: mistakes and kind of like learning to fly, and it
Speaker 3: made it easier for me.
Speaker 2: Uh, play with Kobe, play with Mike coaching Lebron.
Speaker 7: What was that?
Speaker 3: Like, I'm only one.
Speaker 4: Blessed again, like to you know, play with Kobe and
Speaker 4: and Jordan and then and then.
Speaker 2: You play against Lebron too.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like to be in the conversation of all
Speaker 3: three of those guys and being a feeling with all
Speaker 3: three of those guys, it's just a blessing, you know,
Speaker 3: three of our great greatest of all times. Yeah, to
Speaker 3: be three greats of all yeah, all time, and to
Speaker 3: be able to be a part of their lives and
Speaker 3: be a part of my lives. And I can call
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan, he can call me, and you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like it's just like Bron, you know, talked
Speaker 3: to him earlier today. Like that's just crazy to me
Speaker 3: being from Mexico, Missouri and just going through what you
Speaker 3: go through and not really having nobody look up to,
Speaker 3: you know, small towns, because you don't we ain't have
Speaker 3: nobody to look up to.
Speaker 4: We looked up to some guys we.
Speaker 3: Were supposed to look up to you. You know what
Speaker 3: I mean, and so you know it's just it's a blessing, man,
Speaker 3: Like I think about it all the time, like where
Speaker 3: I come from and who I've been able to be
Speaker 3: affiliated affiliated with over the course of my career has
Speaker 3: been a blessing.
Speaker 1: Sound sixteen Finals against the Warriors one of your defining
Speaker 1: moments as a young coach. Obviously, take us back to
Speaker 1: that locker room down three to one. You didn't do
Speaker 1: the typical ship the coaches do walk us through that
Speaker 1: uh that moment, because it's funny. We just had Shump
Speaker 1: on here and Shump told us what Bron said on
Speaker 1: the bus to kind of get them going.
Speaker 2: And then you added your part to it.
Speaker 4: You to my game seven or just about the whole
Speaker 4: thing process.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So we got down three to one, and I just
Speaker 3: felt we can beat them, like if some things we
Speaker 3: had to adjust and make some make some adjustments and
Speaker 3: some tweaks, but I just felt we can beat them.
Speaker 4: I swear I did.
Speaker 3: We got down three to one and I was like, man,
Speaker 3: so I called Bron into the officer to listen, we
Speaker 3: got to do this, this and this, and we can
Speaker 3: beat the and Brons on boards like man, they getting tired,
Speaker 3: they getting worn down. But some things we had to
Speaker 3: change defensively to kind of change that. And so I
Speaker 3: came into practice before a game before we leave, before
Speaker 3: we left to go to game five, I said, listen,
Speaker 3: if you don't believe we can win, just stay here.
Speaker 3: Like I'm being like, no bulls, like, just stay here,
Speaker 3: like we don't want you on the bus, we don't
Speaker 3: want on negativity. If you don't think we can win
Speaker 3: game five, just stay at home. We'll see you for
Speaker 3: game six. So we go there for game five and
Speaker 3: we win Game five. And so Kyrie had forty one,
Speaker 3: bron had forty three, whatever, and through after the game,
Speaker 3: everybody's in the locker room, all the coaches, on office people,
Speaker 3: the owners, their keyds, training staff. So so everybody in
Speaker 3: the locker room, give me two hundred dollars. It's like,
Speaker 3: give me two hundred dollars, players to everybody, and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna take it, and I'm putting the ceiling. And we
Speaker 3: come back to get our money for game seven. So
Speaker 3: I mean we had to go home and win game
Speaker 3: six and then come back for game seven, and so
Speaker 3: it's like what the man? Everybody, So everybody gave me
Speaker 3: them money, took it, wrapped it up, put in the ceiling.
Speaker 3: We go home, win game six. So we coming back,
Speaker 3: Bron get the speech and it was like listen, they
Speaker 3: getting worn out, They're getting tired. They getting like, we
Speaker 3: just got to keep going, keep going. So we get
Speaker 3: back for game seven, and you know, Bron was you know,
Speaker 3: Bron is bro. He can get twenty and ten in
Speaker 3: the and one half, just like growing out of bed.
Speaker 3: So but in the first half he was like he
Speaker 3: was just he wasn't doing enough for me, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So he come to the bench one time,
Speaker 3: he's like sitting on the bench and he said with
Speaker 3: legs crossed, he's like fire on his nails and something like.
Speaker 3: Djo's like, no, not right now, not I'm sorry. So
Speaker 3: d Jon's like not right now. I'm like, man, this dude,
Speaker 3: he blow he buzzing me, Like what's he doing? So
Speaker 3: then halftime comes and we go into the locker room
Speaker 3: and so a halftime you got the film and all
Speaker 3: the film. I's like, na, we ain't doing no films.
Speaker 3: To Bron, you got to be better, bro, He's like,
Speaker 3: what you mean, I got this? I said, I don't
Speaker 3: care about no stats. You got to be what you
Speaker 3: want me to do. T Lou guard Draymond, be aggressive,
Speaker 3: shoot the ball, stop turning the ball over anything else.
Speaker 3: He's like, man, I said, man, we need you to
Speaker 3: be better. If you want to win, it's on you.
Speaker 3: He's like, so I stormed off. I go in the
Speaker 3: locker room, stand in the door. Boom. So we go
Speaker 3: grab d Jones, d joing man with your boy tripping me.
Speaker 3: He's like, he's like who. He's like, man, T Lou,
Speaker 3: he talking a me. I ain't doing this and doing that.
Speaker 3: He said, well, man, listen, I ain't been here all year.
Speaker 3: But everything I read about how you trust him and
Speaker 3: how you why not trust you? Now? So Bron like,
Speaker 3: fuck you. So he go to James Jones, JJ, I
Speaker 3: can't believe man ty and then James Jones like Lebron's
Speaker 3: he lying fu he gratuated Boom, He stormed out of
Speaker 3: the locker room. In the second half, dominated the whole game,
Speaker 3: and so they're like, man, if you didn't get that
Speaker 3: speech at halftime, we went to one like you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying? So like man Broun Man, yeah, I
Speaker 3: knew how to get him going like he can man,
Speaker 3: he can listen, bro, like he can score fifty anytime.
Speaker 3: He wont like, I'm like fifty anytime he wants, Like
Speaker 3: he just wants to play the game in the right way.
Speaker 3: But sometimes, man, the right way is man, we need
Speaker 3: to get fifty. Yeah. Yeah, so he can do that
Speaker 3: every night. And so I pushed that button, and so
Speaker 3: luckily I did.
Speaker 5: And you never heard.
Speaker 3: I heard the first part.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard him kind of going somewhere to stamp
Speaker 2: when he was he was wrong and was stamping it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he went to djond On like, man, listen everything,
Speaker 3: bring in this ship, j J. I can't believe it.
Speaker 4: J Well, is he lying.
Speaker 3: J stuff? He stormed out of there and killed it
Speaker 3: and killed it, you know what I'm saying. So I'm
Speaker 3: glad I did that. Thanks Broun.
Speaker 1: In fact, taking us back to that Kyrie shot, UH
Speaker 1: talked to us about that shot. That's something that Clay
Speaker 1: said one of the biggest regrets of his life was
Speaker 1: switching that play.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know you have Bron, you have Kyrie into me
Speaker 2: Kyrie's hands. Walk us back through that process.
Speaker 3: So you remember Bron had just made that big block
Speaker 3: and he was exhausted, like he hadn't came out of
Speaker 3: the game the whole game, and so he was he
Speaker 3: was done. He was fried. And so we came to
Speaker 3: the bench. I think it was a man in thirteen
Speaker 3: left in the game, something like that, And we came
Speaker 3: back to the bench and then Bron's over there. He
Speaker 3: got the wet towel. He's just so I'm looking like shit, man,
Speaker 3: I'm going to Kyrie. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 3: he's exhausted. So we come out of the time out
Speaker 3: and we just run a twelve action with j R.
Speaker 3: And and Kyrie. We cleared the whole right side out
Speaker 3: and said, jay All, you got to set us a
Speaker 3: hard screen makeer and Kyrie you got to fly off
Speaker 3: to force to switch. Jay All said, a great screen,
Speaker 3: and then Kyrie came off. I ain't gonna take the three.
Speaker 3: I thought, go right, you know what I'm saying. Kyrie
Speaker 3: sized him up, stepped back to the right. That's one
Speaker 3: of the biggest shots in NBA history. I said, I
Speaker 3: don't care who was guarding them. It could have been anybody.
Speaker 8: That ship was cash Kye for those moments, like you know,
Speaker 8: he's a killer and who's his mentor Kobe, and so
Speaker 8: like he wanted that moment that one of the biggest shots,
Speaker 8: Like I said, the NBA history.
Speaker 1: Speak to Kyrie. You've got to play with a lot
Speaker 1: of greats. You coach some greats. I think he's someone
Speaker 1: who's very misunderstood. But speak to him as a as
Speaker 1: a person and a player.
Speaker 3: Well as a person. You know, Kyrie's a genuine person,
Speaker 3: you know, like if you get to know him and
Speaker 3: you know, you know who he is, he's genuine and
Speaker 3: so like a lot of guys, you just got to
Speaker 3: be straightforward direct with him, you know, just tell him
Speaker 3: what you want, what you need, and he's gonna listen
Speaker 3: and do that. And so sometimes you misunderstood. You know,
Speaker 3: Kyrie is Kyrie that I only listen to none of
Speaker 3: that nonsense. And so I know the relationship that we had,
Speaker 3: which we had a great relationship, and it wasn't for him,
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't be sitting today like that big shot man.
Speaker 3: That that's that solidified my career as a coach, winning
Speaker 3: the championship, and so I always, you know, forever love
Speaker 3: him for that.
Speaker 4: But as a player, no weaknesses, man, go left, go right,
Speaker 4: pull up.
Speaker 3: Three going right, pull up three going left, catch and shoot,
Speaker 3: post up, finish left, finish right, float whatever you want,
Speaker 3: he can do it like no weaknesses offensively at all.
Speaker 4: And so I mean he's a bad dude, man, a
Speaker 4: bad dude.
Speaker 1: So this year you're you're you're joning coach Kerr uh
Speaker 1: staff for the Fever Cup. Can you speak to us
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 3: Man? Just a blessing, you know, I always want to
Speaker 3: be part of the USA team. Of course you want
Speaker 3: to be a player. But I wasn't good enough, you know,
Speaker 3: of course, but you grew up, you know, watching you know,
Speaker 3: Magic and Bird and all those guys playing the Olympics
Speaker 3: and the dream teams, and you always dreamed of, you know,
Speaker 3: being there one day. And so my opportunities coming and coaching,
Speaker 3: So I thank Sean Ford and Steve Kerr and forgive
Speaker 3: me this opportunity to be an assistant coach. So it's
Speaker 3: me Steve Kerr, Eric Spostra, Mark Feu and so just
Speaker 3: having an opportunity to be you know, on this staff
Speaker 3: is a blessing.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Medal, yeah, and get a gold medal and add that
Speaker 3: to my resume as well, you know. So it's it's
Speaker 3: crazy man.
Speaker 7: Appreciate.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've done it yet, but it'll
Speaker 1: probably come at some point. You and Steve Kurt sitting
Speaker 1: down and having a glass or you don't drink so
Speaker 1: you have some water, him having some wine and talk
Speaker 1: about that sixteen Finals.
Speaker 7: Gonna roll one probably, he said, you know, he know
Speaker 7: his bag was hurting.
Speaker 3: Took a little bit, you know.
Speaker 6: What.
Speaker 3: It's never and we're good friends, and we never talked
Speaker 3: about it, you know, we never mentioned it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wonder if he ever brings it up, you know,
Speaker 3: but we've never talked about it.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because, I mean you think about historical significance.
Speaker 1: Obviously that was your guy's first ring. But they have
Speaker 1: the best record in the history of the game and
Speaker 1: would have got a championship on top of it, but
Speaker 1: y'all derailed that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I won a championship with Steve kursh world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Can you compare It doesn't have to be necessarily gains,
Speaker 1: but can you compare the Kyrie and Lebron duo to
Speaker 1: Shack and Kobe in any ways?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean you can.
Speaker 3: Because I see as Kyrie is like Kobe, It's like
Speaker 3: a finesse player that can get it down from anywhere
Speaker 3: on the floor, and I see shaking Kobe's it's just dominant,
Speaker 3: like just dominant for yeah, just dominant forces. So the comparison,
Speaker 3: you know, Lebron doesn't play center, but he's dominant, powerful, strong,
Speaker 3: so you can kind of have that comparison. And I
Speaker 3: wish we would have never broke that up, man like
Speaker 3: that that come on man like breaking up Cob and Shack,
Speaker 3: I hate it, and then breaking up Kyrie Bron, I
Speaker 3: hate it. Like those are two things that could have
Speaker 3: been dominant for a long time. So you know, I
Speaker 3: always look back on on everybody else because I like
Speaker 3: what everybody else does.
Speaker 4: I don't really care about myself.
Speaker 3: But those are two things I wish would have never happened,
Speaker 3: with the Kyrie Bron situation and in the Shaq and
Speaker 3: Cobe situation because that could have been special, a lot
Speaker 3: more juice to squeeze.
Speaker 6: Whats So for me, Kyrie and Braun because I could
Speaker 6: see that, I could see it I was competing with
Speaker 6: k you know what I'm saying that I could watch
Speaker 6: them too just years when you know what I'm saying, champions,
Speaker 6: I would love to see that. Why what's your opinion.
Speaker 6: Why do you think Kyrie hasn't found a true home
Speaker 6: since Cleveland.
Speaker 3: Hopefully? Well, I mean it's his choice, like Boston wanted
Speaker 3: them back, you know, but he has it's a decision
Speaker 3: he wanted to make and go elsewhere. And know, I'm
Speaker 3: the same thing with Brooklyn. He could have went back
Speaker 3: to Brooklyn, and so like, as a player, you gotta
Speaker 3: do what's best for you. And so I think those teams,
Speaker 3: you know, were love, they loved, they wanted them back,
Speaker 3: you know, And so it's just something he want to
Speaker 3: do for his career, Like he wanted to move on
Speaker 3: and experience something different, and so you know, he could
Speaker 3: have he could have stayed in those places. So I
Speaker 3: don't think it's something necessarily that they didn't want him back,
Speaker 3: you know. So it's more of his decision. Yea.
Speaker 1: I love Superstar movement in the game, though normally guys
Speaker 1: like us move Yeah, cho, but I love Superstar movement
Speaker 1: because it's just it keeps you you tuned into the
Speaker 1: game year around, but then you just get to see
Speaker 1: different combinations play with each other that you might never
Speaker 1: obviously have seen maybe back in the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate season tournament.
Speaker 3: I really don't know much about it, you know. I
Speaker 3: was on you know, in the meet with the competition
Speaker 3: committee and we talked about a little bit. But you know,
Speaker 3: my thing is what it is best to go to
Speaker 3: the league and go to the NBA. And Adam Silver
Speaker 3: has a great vision.
Speaker 6: You know, you already got know's low managing. You want
Speaker 6: to put him in tournaments now, let's come on.
Speaker 3: It's not more games. Though, it's not more games. You
Speaker 3: still got to play those games anyway. And I just think,
Speaker 3: you know, it gives the fans something to see, something different,
Speaker 3: something to be excited about. Though well the championships the
Speaker 3: home mind, Yeah, I don't mind that. But like I said,
Speaker 3: Adam Silver's done a great job of growing to the NBA. Man,
Speaker 3: Like the playing tournament is going to be We'll see,
Speaker 3: but I think it'd be great. And just like the
Speaker 3: you know, make it to the playoffs, you know, just
Speaker 3: having you know, ten teams like that's been great. You know,
Speaker 3: So we'll see, Yeah, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 7: What coaches do you like to coach against?
Speaker 6: Any coaches like you just get up for like any
Speaker 6: of your homeboys and coach like, oh yeah, I get
Speaker 6: to get at him tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love coach against Chauncey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know that, you know, but Chos has
Speaker 3: changed a lot, you know, from you know player, he
Speaker 3: was a so you're getting all the technical fouls and
Speaker 3: now I got a good you know, calm to mean
Speaker 3: on the sideline.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just seeing him do it. It's funny, man,
Speaker 4: just being calm.
Speaker 3: I love coaching against Steve Kerr obviously, and I loved
Speaker 3: coaching against Brad Stevens when Brad was there, you know,
Speaker 3: Brad was you know, like he motivated me, you know,
Speaker 3: being being in Cleveland, he was in Boston. They was
Speaker 3: always like the team we had to get past and
Speaker 3: get to the finals. And so I always loved coaching
Speaker 3: against him. And I ain't really like coaching against Doc.
Speaker 3: I ask my mentor, I just don't they don't feel right?
Speaker 3: Like looking down I'm looking at Doc like, I just
Speaker 3: don't it don't it don't feel right, It don't seem right,
Speaker 3: you know, so.
Speaker 2: Real quick, uh.
Speaker 1: I think it was Chancey spoke. When Chancey was I
Speaker 1: think debating on becoming a coach. Did he come stay
Speaker 1: with you for like a crash course or.
Speaker 3: So covid Hit, and so I went to Denver and
Speaker 3: stayed with Chancey for two months. Yeah, and so he
Speaker 3: was trying to get into the front office stuff. And
Speaker 3: but I've been telling himself in Cleveland, said, man, come
Speaker 3: and coach, like, you got a lot of knowledge for
Speaker 3: these young guys.
Speaker 4: And I mean, you'd be great that And he's like.
Speaker 3: Noah, I want through the front office. I want to
Speaker 3: be a GM president. And so like when covid Hit,
Speaker 3: I went to stay with Chian for two months and
Speaker 3: I brought my board and I'm working in all this
Speaker 3: and he dove right into. It's like, man, I want
Speaker 3: to try. It's like all right, So every day we
Speaker 3: on the on the board, getting better with that. We're
Speaker 3: watching film, breaking down film. He had a basketball court,
Speaker 3: you know, this house and we going to court like
Speaker 3: going through things and that next that next seat. He
Speaker 3: joined my staff. You know with the Clippers. You got
Speaker 3: a job next year, you know, first year, you got
Speaker 3: a job. And so he dove right into it. Man,
Speaker 3: and he's been great. Man Like, his personality is, demeanor
Speaker 3: is great, and he's gonna be a great coach.
Speaker 1: Leader.
Speaker 3: He's a leader for sure.
Speaker 7: How tough, how tough can coach and be on your
Speaker 7: health and mental health.
Speaker 3: Really tough, you know, really tough because you know, as
Speaker 3: a player, you know, you lose a game like it's
Speaker 3: I think it's more collectively. We all lose together, you know,
Speaker 3: unless you miss it. You know, you miss a game
Speaker 3: winning shot and you match yourself for a while. But
Speaker 3: as a coach, when you lose a game, you take
Speaker 3: it all home every single night, like what could I
Speaker 3: have done different? You know, could I sub better? Could
Speaker 3: I call different plays like rotations like? And so when
Speaker 3: you lose a game as a coach, it goes home
Speaker 3: with you every single night. It's hard to sleep.
Speaker 1: And we know as players we could turn it off
Speaker 1: for a little while the least. Yeah, y'all can't turn
Speaker 1: it off thinking about what you could have done. But
Speaker 1: then also I got to prep for the next team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so as a role player, I'm not never
Speaker 4: had to do media.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I play the game, I
Speaker 3: make a mistake, I ain't gotta never address the media,
Speaker 3: so I go home. I can live with it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: As a coach, I'm out front every single day, you know,
Speaker 3: every single day, every single night, And so when you
Speaker 3: lose a game, man, you take it home every single night.
Speaker 3: And that's that's the hard part. Like so farjudr mental health,
Speaker 3: Like you know, you get anxiety because you know, like
Speaker 3: you waiting for the next game or what can I
Speaker 3: do different? Like yeah, anxious you lose three or four
Speaker 3: in a row, like we gotta get off this slide.
Speaker 3: So it's a lot that goes into it, man, and
Speaker 3: people don't understand. So, you know, a lot of people
Speaker 3: have a lot of you know, criticism with coaches about
Speaker 3: coaches and things like that. But it's a tough job.
Speaker 4: It's a tough job.
Speaker 3: It's a tough grind.
Speaker 4: It's a lot that goes into it, and you got
Speaker 4: to wear a lot of different hats every single day.
Speaker 7: Give me two players you like watching outside of your team,
Speaker 7: Kyrie for sure.
Speaker 4: And then I love watching Jah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love watching Jah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean we got a lot of other greats
Speaker 3: you know, of course, but you know, I love watching Jah.
Speaker 3: I love watching you know, kind of do his thing,
Speaker 3: your boxing fan. Yes, don't bring it up, please, Spence Crawford.
Speaker 3: I love both of them.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Young black you know, or
Speaker 4: young black.
Speaker 7: You can't go wrong before you you can't go wrong
Speaker 7: either way.
Speaker 4: Well, no, I mean, I'm going with Bud because he's
Speaker 4: from Nebraska.
Speaker 3: I love I love Spence too, and everything he's brought
Speaker 3: to the game, And so we don't want to see
Speaker 3: them fight because I love both of them. But you know,
Speaker 3: since they got a fight on a big payday, it's
Speaker 3: a big money maker and everybody wants to see it,
Speaker 3: so they gotta do it for their career. I gotta
Speaker 3: I gotta go with Bud because it's hometown, is my guy.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go with Bud.
Speaker 7: What you got where I'm from.
Speaker 6: You know I'm wrong the big fish. You're not catching
Speaker 6: me with no fish board. You better get a harpoon,
Speaker 6: the big fish not. I like it because it's the
Speaker 6: dynamic of both of them.
Speaker 7: At the top.
Speaker 3: Arrow had, I mean Bud has.
Speaker 6: He's one of the best counterpunchs you'll ever see, right,
Speaker 6: and he can hit with both hands. His speed, He's
Speaker 6: gonna show Arrow a lot of things he's never seen before,
Speaker 6: as far as a boxer and as far as getting hit.
Speaker 6: But Arrows from the hit Bud with power that he's
Speaker 6: never thought was possible. You know, what I'm saying, both
Speaker 6: of them take you to another level. They both they
Speaker 6: both bringing something that they've never seen. So that's why
Speaker 6: I want to see it. But either way you go
Speaker 6: on this fight, you can't lose because both of them
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, both of them were gonna be here.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be here.
Speaker 1: Here, Jack, I'm gonna be having a couple of packs showtime,
Speaker 1: box Man, We really appreciate your time. Before we get
Speaker 1: you out of here, we're gonna have some quick hitters.
Speaker 1: So first thing to come to mind, beside yourself. Three
Speaker 1: best coaches in the game at in game adjustments. In
Speaker 1: game adjustments, Yes, yeahpose great. Steve Kerr curs great.
Speaker 4: And then let me see who always talk about doodle?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Taylor Jenkins. Yeah, I like Taylor Jenkins too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like to Mike Malone. I really felt like
Speaker 1: the and Mike Malone was chess for a little while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean in the finals, Taylor Jenks,
Speaker 1: that's a good call.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Taylor Jenkins, I'm still a go oh yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: come on, some stuff in games Bro. I never thought
Speaker 3: it was possible, but you know how, the talent like you,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying different, but Pops, come on,
Speaker 3: he had the players to do it.
Speaker 4: Come on, man, he's a goal for sure.
Speaker 3: One album will.
Speaker 7: Repeat, no skips, baby, which one the last one?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay he said that Queen a little baby. M J.
Speaker 2: Kobe Brown wrinkle.
Speaker 3: Nope, nope, no, no, I'm no.
Speaker 2: That's about what do you love about Mike.
Speaker 3: At the age of forty Just his killer instinct, like
Speaker 3: he was still a killer. And then the biggest thing
Speaker 3: is like there's a young player. You come out still
Speaker 3: that's my third my fourth year, you know. So you
Speaker 3: think you're working hard until you actually get around somebody
Speaker 3: that's working hard for real. And so coming to practice,
Speaker 3: you get there hour and a half early. Jordan's already done,
Speaker 3: laugh it up, don't lift it alright under his court workout,
Speaker 3: He's finished, He's done, And I'm just not getting to
Speaker 3: the gym. And so you see guys like Cob and
Speaker 3: Bron and Jordan's then work the kind of like I
Speaker 3: ain't really working, you know what I'm saying. I thought
Speaker 3: I was working hard, but I really ain't. And so
Speaker 3: like just seeing Jordan work at the age of forty,
Speaker 3: the way he worked every single day to play eighty
Speaker 3: two games that just showed you kind of work you
Speaker 3: put in the killer and then just the biggest thing
Speaker 3: is just like never giving in. Like after the Utah
Speaker 3: series when shot the airballs, he could have folded, and
Speaker 3: just to see like from that that moment on, he
Speaker 3: worked even harder to get to the point where he
Speaker 3: was at. And like, you know, I still cry sometimes
Speaker 3: thinking about it, looking at old pictures and stuff, just
Speaker 3: you know, knowing we lost a great man. And so
Speaker 3: to this day, I can't stay at the Bohemian in Orlando,
Speaker 3: That's where I was at when it happened.
Speaker 4: I can't. I told the team, I'm not staying there.
Speaker 3: So if y'all book us there, your Mama's give me
Speaker 3: another room because I can't do it. And so just
Speaker 3: seeing him and just how he prepared and how he
Speaker 3: was able to, you know, keep pushing forward and being
Speaker 3: one of our greates man like it was, it was,
Speaker 3: it was amazing.
Speaker 7: Every time I watched the episode we had with an
Speaker 7: interview with my breakdown.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Bron, bro Bron. I just love how he
Speaker 3: was able to change the game as far as picking
Speaker 3: where he wanted to go. Like you said, the stars,
Speaker 3: be able to move having movement, but also so be
Speaker 3: able to take on his team like with Rich Paul
Speaker 3: and Maverick Carter, Randy Mimes, and just be able to
Speaker 3: put those guys together, put them in school, put them
Speaker 3: through classes, and now they're running multis real businesses, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And so to put his guys
Speaker 3: in position to run real businesses, not worrying about what
Speaker 3: the outside people thought or they're his friends.
Speaker 4: No, these guys are educated and they know what they're doing.
Speaker 4: And Bron showed that.
Speaker 3: And so for him be able to change the game,
Speaker 3: to build the school in Ohio, and the things he's
Speaker 3: done for the game and for everybody like Kevin Durant,
Speaker 3: be able to have the board room and like just
Speaker 3: the things he's able to that we've been able to
Speaker 3: see with Bron and things he's done, you know, far
Speaker 3: as the business side of basketball has been phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Bron created the real Entourage had the show. They had
Speaker 2: the show on h Field, but Bron created the real real.
Speaker 6: I say that all the time to every basketball player
Speaker 6: that came around, tried that with their homeboys, and he
Speaker 6: the only one to get it right, right, completely right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So he did go for that along for sure as
Speaker 1: dead or alive and he five people sit down at
Speaker 1: the table, you plus five at dinner Biggie pop.
Speaker 3: For sure, that's that's right to it. Yes, what what?
Speaker 6: I don't know why people don't y'all don't know what.
Speaker 6: Tu is a ghetto baby. He might not look like it,
Speaker 6: don't talk like it.
Speaker 3: But trust me, Bro, he from that President Obama, Muhammad
Speaker 3: Ali And at least.
Speaker 4: I say, Denzel nice, Denzel.
Speaker 3: Around around that off.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you could see one guest on our show,
Speaker 6: who would it be? But you have to help us
Speaker 6: get your answer on the show.
Speaker 2: You said someone calls you and you talked to on
Speaker 2: the phone today and him.
Speaker 5: You flex a little bit.
Speaker 3: You flex a little bit people to We just talked
Speaker 3: to him another day today today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for someone you you would like to see on
Speaker 2: the show that you can help us.
Speaker 5: Get yea Lebron James okay cool, Yeah, I'm okay, man.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you. As Jack said, Man, things happen to
Speaker 2: good people.
Speaker 1: Bro. And I got a chance to meet you when
Speaker 1: I was seventeen eighteen. You've always been the same way,
Speaker 1: never got too big now you can't it big, but.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But always, but always mild manner, cool down the earth,
Speaker 1: do the same way, man. So really happy of just
Speaker 1: your you know, your your grind, your growth to the league,
Speaker 1: to coaching now and I'm guarantee whatever you want to do,
Speaker 1: continue to do or after this you'll succeeded it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: So think they they can't talk about the AI said
Speaker 6: and say you wasn't a Hall of Fame player, but
Speaker 6: you're definitely finna be a Hall of Fame coach.
Speaker 7: Yes sir, yes sir.
Speaker 3: But that's a wrap.
Speaker 2: Tyron Lou all the smoke.
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Speaker 2: We'll see y'all next week