1 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor. I'm An Eries and I'm 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Lauren vocal Bam, and today we're talking about Chantarelle mushrooms, 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: which we have had a lot of fun pronouncing. It's 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: definitely not Chantarell eas no, but it's fun to say 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: it that way. It is. Don't worry, listeners, we won't 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: put you through that. Not too often. We had some 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Chantrell's when we were in Asheville and they were so good. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we found them in the woods with a 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: professional Chantrell's. This is the smooth Chantrelle given. The underside 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: is it doesn't have any in a hint really of 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: gills here that kind of does. There are Chantrell's with 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: very there's a black one, there's blue one out west. 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: We have red ones here. They're tasty and um great consistency, 14 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: almost like a like seafood, a little bit of like 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: a chewiness. Rubbery is almost like put in a good way. 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: That's Ellen Muskett, a professional forager. Due to a bit 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: of miscommunication, he thought we were shooting video, not just audio, 18 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: and he couldn't find any Chanterrelle's first to forage, so 19 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: he set up this little scene because they're so lovely 20 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: and like I was going to spring it on us 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: as though it was totally natural, but then when he 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: realized it was just audio, he was like, oh no, 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: just come over here here since I set it up. Yeah, 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 1: it was enjoyable. Nonetheless, disclaimer right at the front, don't 25 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: use this episode as a guide for foraging our mushroom hunting. 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: We don't want any of you lovely folks to get sick. 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: We like you, we do, we do. Oh and we're 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: not talking about the restaurant New York, which is probably obvious, 29 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: but there's a book, a whole book about this restaurant 30 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: called Chanterelle in New York, and I went through an 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: embarrassing amount of pages confused before I realized that they 32 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: weren't talking about the mushroom. So just a little word 33 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: to the why. Yes, And also, if you would like 34 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: a more general discussion on mushrooms, check out our episode 35 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: Mushrooms Colon not to be truffled with from a February 36 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: of Yes, do check that out. And this brings us 37 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: to our question Chantrelle's what are they? Well? Chantrells are 38 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: a group of similarly shaped mushrooms in a number of genuses. 39 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: And species now thought to encompass over a hundred species 40 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: worldwide thanks to genetic testing. They can come in a 41 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: range of colors and flavors, but all share this trumpet shape. 42 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: Like their smooth mushroom caps go kind of concave. They've 43 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: got sort of frilled edges. That's the mouth of the trumpet. 44 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: They have false gilles down along the outside of the trumpet. 45 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: Unlike a trumpet, chanterrelle is not hollow, but solid all 46 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: the way through. The part you probably think of that 47 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: I just described when you think of a chanterelle, is 48 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: actually only the tip of the mushroom iceberg. Because mushrooms 49 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: are fun eye neither plant nor animal, and the main 50 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: body of a mushroom is often out of sight. They 51 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: create these intricate root type systems called mycelium underground or 52 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: in a piece of wood or whatever else they like 53 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: growing in, and when they're ready to reproduce, they shoot 54 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: out fruit mushrooms which produce spores that can spread on air, water, 55 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: or moving creatures and grow into a new fungus. The 56 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: trumpet of a chantrelle is that fruit and a few 57 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: are often found together like in a little cluster growing 58 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: up out of the same underground network of my celium 59 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: in the shady damp area under trees like oaks or beeches. 60 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: And this part is so cool. They have symbiotic relationships 61 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: with the trees that they grow under. The mycelium will 62 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: hook into the trees roots. The fungus can absorb and 63 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: process nutrients from the soil that the trees can't. The 64 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: mycelium release those nutrients for the trees to eat through 65 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: their roots, and the trees meanwhile can absorb in process 66 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: a different set of nutrients which the mycelium absorbed through 67 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: the trees roots. That is pretty cool. It reminds me 68 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: of Gratitui. Yes, no, although I bet there are Schantarell's 69 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: and ratitude. We need to watch it then we can 70 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: take notes. It reminds me of the video game one 71 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: of my favorite video games, The Last of Us, in 72 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: which it was Schantarelle's but some mushrooms formed a relationship 73 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: with some people in the dern into zombies and then 74 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: things went horribly awry. So just I don't know, watch 75 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: out for those chanterells. I think they should be fine 76 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: thus far, no zombie activity noted. I like that that's 77 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: a file you find when you were searching through what 78 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: before things went wrong, And that's the one thing you 79 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: find that indicates, oh, thanks, you're about to go terribly, 80 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: terribly all the rails when it comes to zombies. I 81 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: haven't playing too many video games, all right. You can 82 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: find Chantrell's in North America, Europe, North Africa, Thailand and 83 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: the Himalayas. As of yet, they have resisted commercial cultivation, 84 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: and that's part of the reason they're so expensive. But 85 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: what about that name though? What about it? What about it? 86 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: It is borrowed from the French, who borrowed it from 87 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: the Latin word meaning a large drinking cup with handles. 88 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: The first time the words chanterrelle was used with its 89 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: current definition was in seventeen seventy seven. It also has 90 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: a pretty cool nickname, the Queen of the forest, or 91 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: the golden goddess or the egg mushroom. That's not a 92 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: cool but yeah, the most common type anyway, it's called 93 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: the golden goddess. Yes. And speaking of types, there are 94 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: a lot of types, and the main one is the 95 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: golden yellow chanterelle, and it's golden ore yellow. It's not 96 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: golden yellow, but I guess you could do that if 97 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: you wanted to combine them. But yeah, and there's some 98 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: variance within this category as well, at least when it 99 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: comes to a European variety compared to a North American variety. 100 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: They found that out pretty recently through some of that 101 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: genetic testing. These are the most desired chanterrelle. They range 102 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: in cap color from pale yellow to deep orange, and 103 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: the gills can be either white or kind of a 104 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: yellow orange. The flavor and aroma are often described as fruity, 105 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: specifically apricatti. They are often paired with apricots in cooking 106 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: for this reason. Herbie peppery, earthy, pretty mild. The texture 107 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: is both tender and firm, and that pepper notes. They're 108 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: actually named after pepper. In German, they're called phifer lingee 109 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: Linga or phifer Linga. I suppose my German is terrible 110 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: despite having a German last name. That's okay. There are 111 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: white chantrell's blue Chantarells. These can range in color from 112 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: navy blue to this like deep grayish purple. They apparently 113 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: taste amazing. There are black Chantrell's, or the trumpet of death. 114 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: The name is misleading, though, I think it's because they 115 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: look menacing. Yeah, they're black, yeah, and they have a 116 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: smoky taste and a meaty texture. They're popular and upscale 117 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: restaurants where you might see a black trumpet sauce, they 118 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: don't put the black trumpet of death sauce on there. 119 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: I can't imagine why not. I would order that. I 120 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: probably would too, But you and I have we really 121 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: specific demographic. We are. If there was a restaurant that 122 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: did Halloween themed foods all year, to be my favorite restaurant. Man. See, 123 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: I've even thought we could. We could start one, Laura, Okay, alright, 124 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: planning pop ups. Now, there's also a cinnabar red Chanterell's 125 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: that's there. That's their name. It's a tiny North American 126 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: type that's a this bright reddish pink like a flamingo, 127 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: and apparently they smell sweet and taste kind of piny, fruity, 128 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: floral and a not type, the false chantrell it's a 129 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: bit orange eer and darker. The gills are attached to 130 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: the stem. It's not poisonous, but it's less flavorful and 131 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: might upset your stomach, so no fun. Another similar species 132 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: is the jack o lantern, which is a poisonous look alike. 133 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: As a name suggests. They are bright orange like a jacklinern. Again, 134 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: I won't kill you, but your stomach will not be 135 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: happy with you. Allan who is an absolute font did 136 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: talk about them? Can you guess why it's called jack lanterns? 137 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: It's orange, right, But if it's just orange, you could 138 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: just call it a pumpkin. It's got faces carved and 139 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: you put candles inside. And why do you do that? Um? 140 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: What does the candle do? It glow? This mushroom does 141 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: not need a candle. It's biolus. Yeah, it glows green, 142 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: not in the top of the in the gills. You 143 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: know how mushrooms have gills. So it's green and the gills, 144 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: and it will make you green. Um. And it won't 145 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: kill you. It will only make you wish you were dead. 146 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: And there are a lot more types of Chantrelle's apart 147 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: from these, not Chantrelle's we've just been talking about. In 148 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: over two new species of fungi were discovered and some 149 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: of them were Chantrell's. We have a lot more to 150 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: learn when it comes to mushroom. Yes, but what about 151 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: the flavor We've we've touched on a little bit of 152 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: some flavors, but let's go on a deeper dive. Sandrells 153 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: are great for sautang. You can dry them are freeze 154 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: them should you so desire. Some of their best flavor 155 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,599 Speaker 1: and aroma compounds are oil soluble, so cooking them in 156 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: some kind of fatty thing like sauteg with a oil 157 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: or butter cream helps you get the most out of them. 158 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: Adding a splash of wine also scientifically helps. Because some 159 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: of their compounds are water or alcohol soluble as well, 160 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: you can also use them to infuse oil or vinegar 161 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: or booze. They're fairly delicate in flavor, so it's recommended 162 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: that you pair them with other gentle flavors to avoid 163 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: losing them in the mix. And though they are generally 164 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: used in savory dishes, there are definitely maniacs out there 165 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: making desserts with Chantarral's candying the things, putting them in bread, pudding, 166 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: in pies, sorbet, creme brulet. What I found a French 167 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: recipe for a sweet, spiced chantrelle infused liqueur, made by 168 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: taking the mushrooms in white Vermouth with cinnamon, cloves, starnie 169 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: and vanilla and then letting the mushrooms steep in plum 170 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: brandy for at least a week. I think the recommendation 171 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: was to serve this liqueur with coffee. I'm just going 172 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: to point out that we have covered one cinnamon, vanilla 173 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: and mushrooms and plum brandy a little bit, and now chantrelle, 174 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: so I think we have to try this. I am 175 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: into that planes Okay. Also, just in general, I ran 176 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: across this while I was researching, so I had to say, like, 177 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: mushroom infused drinks are apparently a whole thing, right now. 178 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: You can use mushrooms to infuse liquor or simple syrup 179 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: and just mix away. I was at a drink competition 180 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: recently and the winning drink was delicious, but it had 181 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: mushrooms in it. How so good? It was so savory 182 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: and like was saby and oh mommy, okay, I gotta 183 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: stop thinking about come back to a say any comeback, 184 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: but I want to go there. Nutrition Wise, they're pretty 185 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: good for you, depending on how you cook them. Some 186 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: beta caroteen, potassium, copper, selenium, vitamins D and B, and 187 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: of course there are other uses than just eating what. Yes, 188 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: golden chantrels have sometimes been used in treating wounds, and 189 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: scientific research in rats has shown that indeed, an extract 190 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 1: of golden chantrels can help speed the body's repair of 191 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: flesh wounds and prevent inflammation at the site of the injury. Huh. 192 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: They can also be used to create dyes for paper 193 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: and fabric and stuff. Oh nice numbers wise, chantrell's are 194 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: pretty popular mushroom and because of that, they can come 195 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: with a hefty price tag. They are one of the 196 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: top three harvested mushrooms in Western North America. Specific numbers 197 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: are hard to pin down, but the global commercial mark 198 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: it is estimated to be around one point six to 199 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: billion dollars. One thing I read said in three point 200 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: six billion dollars was paid to mushroom harvesters in Oregon, Idaho, 201 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: and Washington alone. For retailers. That meant millions of dollars. 202 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: Other estimates put California's annual chantrelle numbers at fifty thousand 203 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: pounds about twenty three thousand kilograms, worth over one million dollars. 204 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: And that's probably a low ball on it. Yeah, yeah, 205 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: I mean I think they run somewhere between like thirty 206 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: and fifty bucks a pound, so wow. Yeah, And This 207 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: doesn't include chantrell's for home use either, because a lot 208 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: of people are picking them up using them in their 209 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: own home. So that's a chantrelle overview which brings us 210 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: to history. But first it brings us to a quick 211 00:12:55,080 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. 212 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsors, Yes, thank you. If we're talking about 213 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: how old mushrooms are, well, um, some science seems to 214 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: suggest the fung gui group Chantrell's are part of go 215 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: back about one point two billion years. There wasn't any 216 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: human person to eat them then, but yeah, the first 217 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: hard evidence as in fossils, dates back to about four 218 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: hundred million years ago, which is still pretty old. The 219 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: oldest preserved mushroom is about fifty million years old, and 220 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: it's preserved an amber. Oh what Jurassic Park style. The 221 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: first written record of chantrell's and specific that we know 222 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: of comes to us from the Dutch herbalist Lobalias in one. 223 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: In sixteen o one, Belgium botanists Clusius noted the German 224 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: and Hungarian common names for chanterelle. This indicates that Chantrell's 225 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: weren't an uncommon thing to eat in medieval times in 226 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: Europe and The name itself suggests that they were particularly 227 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: popular in France, and as French influence spread in the 228 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds, so too did French cuisine, and along with 229 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: that Chantrell's they were seen as a fancier mushroom best 230 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: appreciated by the nobles, and they were just about the 231 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: only ones who could afford them and appreciate them. Yes 232 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: it does, our friend Linnaeus. The Swedish naturalists mentioned Sancholl's 233 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: in seventy seven as a quote common edible mushroom. Around 234 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: eighteen twenty one, the so called father of my collogey, 235 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: Elias Fris, came up with the golden Chantrelle's scientific name. 236 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: A Swedish mycologists described Chantrell's as quote one of the 237 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: most important and best edible mushrooms in eighteen thirty six. 238 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: Still true today maybe yeah? Strong but appropriate word, strong 239 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: but appropriate words. There's an interesting regional breakdown of Europe 240 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: worth noting here when it comes to mushroom consumption. Germanic 241 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: and Anglo sacks and societies were more likely to practice 242 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: caution or outright avoidance when it came to eating mushrooms 243 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: for fear of illness or death, as opposed to the Slavs, 244 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: Fins and Latin folks. They might have been eating mushrooms 245 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: as far back as the Roman Empire. If we look 246 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: at China, as we mentioned in our mushroom episode, some 247 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: evidence suggests the Chinese have been using mushrooms either medicinally 248 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: are as food for about six thousand years. A mushroom 249 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: Refference guide was published in ce. In the country and 250 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: in some provinces, the chanterelle was referred to as the 251 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: chicken oil mushroom. Okay, yeah. They were also recommended as 252 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: a way to prevent night blindness and dry skin or 253 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: dry mucus membranes. M hm sure. The indigenous peoples of 254 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: what is now mex The Co called chanterelle's the flower 255 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: mushroom and my ecologists are Gordon Wasson came up with 256 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: the terms Michael Phillick and microphobic in nineteen fifty seven. 257 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: Wait wait, microphobic fear of mushrooms. Yes, a fear of mushrooms. 258 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite quotes, perhaps ever, and 259 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: that might say something about me. In his seven book 260 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: British Fun Guy, British mycologist William Delisle Hay described microphobia, 261 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: which he called fungo phobia. Thus, late, the individual who 262 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: desires to engage in the study of wild mushrooms must 263 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: face a good deal of scorn. He is laughed at 264 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: for a strange taste among the better classes, and is 265 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: actually regarded as a sort of idiot among the lower orders. 266 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: No fat our hobby is esteemed so contemptible as that 267 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: of the fungus hunter or toad stool eater. Yes, times 268 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: have changed, and they've changed in part due to the 269 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: rise of slow food or eating local, or the popularity 270 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: of foraging that those things have really helped elevate the 271 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: profile of the chantrelle. These days, mushrooms like the chanterrelle, 272 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: with their high culinary value, are also driving some environmental efforts. 273 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: They're more likely to appear in old growth forests, ones 274 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: that have been around for centuries, than they are to 275 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: appear in second growth forests, which are what's grown back 276 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: after having been cleared sometimes over the last hundred years 277 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: or so. So folks are pointing at these tasty, beautiful 278 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: fun guy as yet another reason to preserve our forests. Yeah, 279 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: I think I mentioned to you after our trip foraging 280 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: with Alan and doing the research With this episode, I 281 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: swear or Chantrells in my neighborhood. I'm gonna maybe take 282 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: a picture and send it to him. But every time 283 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: I walk past them, I stop and I have a 284 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: very childlike look on my face. And I pointed at 285 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: them at Gas and I'm sure whoever's house that is? Again, 286 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: what is she pointing at? Yeah? I think I have 287 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: a friend to him who found him in his backyard 288 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: here in Atlantis. So yeah, Oh, can I add in 289 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: a Buffy story? Please do? All right? If you all 290 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm quite a big fan of Buffy the 291 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: Vampire Slayer. And there were a couple episodes where there 292 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: was this girl who was calling herself Chantrell. She was 293 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: hanging out in like a vampire fan girl cult, and 294 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: it was it was quite silly and like a whole 295 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: season later, Buffy met up with her again. She had 296 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: changed her name to something not Chantrelle, and Buffy was like, 297 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: it's a good mushroom, and the girl was like, it's 298 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: a mushroom. Oh, that's so embarrassing. It's a wonderful word. 299 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I wouldn't blame her for choosing that. Chant 300 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a lovely name, fake character from old 301 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: TV show. I'll send you a facts about it. Oh facts. 302 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite, like technologies that did 303 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: not last. I love and Back to the Future too. Yes, 304 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: that's they felt facts in every room and it's gonna 305 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: say you're fired. Um. Ever since we went on our 306 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: little forging adventure, I have started noticing all kinds of 307 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: things everywhere, So keep an eye out, listeners. But again, 308 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: we're not experts on this matter. No we are not. 309 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: And yes, as Alan I think would say, it's not 310 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,239 Speaker 1: as scary as perhaps it sounds. But you know, if 311 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: you are paying attention and you know what you're doing, 312 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: then it can be a very productive and safe and 313 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: rewarding experience foraging. Absolutely. Yeah. If there's a foraging class 314 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: in your area, go check that out. Yeah, like a 315 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: club or group. And if any of you have any 316 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: foraging adventures in Chantrelle pictures to send to us, please, yeah, definitely. 317 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: And also if anyone can fill in the history more 318 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: because I have to say, the history of chantrell it 319 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: was kind of lacking a little bit bear it was. Yeah, yeah, 320 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: it happens sometimes, it does. Yeah, But if anyone has 321 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: any more information, we would love to hear it. Yes, 322 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: and speaking of we've got some listener mail for you. 323 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: But first we've got one more quick break for a 324 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsors, Yes, 325 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: thank you, And this brings us to listen. It's like 326 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: a lovely walk in the forest. Yeah. But then a 327 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: zombie looking Chantrell tasks you always be on guard, never 328 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: relaxed too much. Your brain is a very strange place, 329 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: and I appreciate these glimpses. Thank you. I'm going to 330 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: take that as a compliment. Is it's meant this one excellent? 331 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: Sarah wrote, I recently listened to the episode about all 332 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: I Can Eat a phase, and I wanted to share 333 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: a funny thing I learned when I was studying abroad 334 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: in Japan. The Japanese called Buffet's Vikings, and from what 335 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: I could gather from my host family, it's because Buffets 336 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: were associated with Scandinavia, home of the Vikings. I always 337 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: found this so delightful, and I thought you two would 338 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: as well. Yep. Yes, I think I'm gonna start calling 339 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: them that, perhaps not in public to myself. We also 340 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: got a tweet from Ariel. She wrote, just listen to 341 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: your buffet, Epp. Sizzler as a kid was always a 342 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: treat because it was the first time I got to 343 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: choose exactly what I wanted to eat. Made me feel 344 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: like an adult, which I also love I do. And again, 345 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: I thought Sizzler was a fake movie restaurant. I thought 346 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: it was a fake thing that Hollywood studios made up, 347 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: made up to pay for rites or anything. Also, I 348 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: was very as a kid. I was scared of buffets 349 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: because I would put I would put so much stuff 350 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: on my tray, and I had it this like in 351 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: the back of my head, this fear that I was 352 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: just going to cause a huge scene drop my trade. 353 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: But it never happened. Well good, It never came to fruition, 354 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: and it didn't occur to you to just put less 355 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: food on your certainly not never. Hannah wrote, I've been 356 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: going back through your archive and recently listened to the 357 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: cinnamon episode. I love cinnamon on fruit with chocolate on toast. 358 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: Cinnamon ice cream with brownies is seriously the best. Hannah 359 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: is correct. When I was pregnant two years ago now, 360 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: there was one day when I had a major cinnamon craving. 361 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: Funny side note, Most of my pregnancy cravings were for 362 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: flavors more than foods, like spearmint, cinnamon, ginger, and lime juice. 363 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: The implementation of said flavor didn't usually matter too much, 364 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: except on this day. I tried everything cinnamon rolls, cinnamon 365 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: on apple, sauce, cinnamon in t I even ate just 366 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: a spoonful of cinnamon. And you're right, it's not pleasant. 367 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: With pregnancy cravings getting stronger and pregnancy hormones going wild, 368 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: I was actually in tears because I couldn't satisfy my 369 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: cinnamon craving. I mean, I was eating straight up cinnamon, 370 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: and it wasn't cinnamon e enough until that is, I 371 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: found some cinnamon. Altoy's curiously strong. Indeed, I relished that 372 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: little tin and I think I finished off the whole 373 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: thing that day. That's excellent. They are curiously strong, they are. 374 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: And also the tins are great for jewelry holders. Oh yeah, 375 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: I use them for everything. Oh yeah. There's like a 376 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: contentious history of Altoyd tins here at the office. There 377 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: is a whole Altoyd tin thing that really yeah, there's 378 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: some there's some sponsored content at some point that got 379 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: a little bit out of hand. Altoyd tin wise but 380 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm like airing dirty laundry over here. I know you're 381 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: gonna have to fill me in on this. I don't 382 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: recall what happened there. Yeah. No, I just walked into 383 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: the break room one day. This was years ago, um, 384 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: and I think Chuck was like depositing armloads of Altoids 385 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: tens and I was like, what the heck happened here? 386 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: And he was just like, you don't want to know. Wow, 387 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: coming from Chuck, that's vertty serious. Yeah. I know he 388 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: is always in a good mood. He was in a 389 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: bad mood about those altyds. Oh no, oh, now I 390 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: am telling tales all right. Well, I have a huge 391 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: cinnamon craving now, although probably not as bad that I'm 392 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: going to eat a ten of cinnamon favorite altoy. But 393 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: thanks to both of them for writing in. Thanks to 394 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: Ariel for the tweet. If you would like to write 395 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: to us, we would love to hear from you. Our 396 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: email is hello at savor pod dot com. We're also 397 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: on social media. You can find us on Twitter, Facebook, 398 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: and Instagram at savor pod. We hope to hear from you. 399 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: Thank you, as always to our super producer Dylan Fagin 400 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: and no super producer Andrew Howard. Thanks to you for listening, 401 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: and we hope that lots more good things are coming 402 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: your way. Look, I might fake this, but I wouldn't 403 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: like make it wrong. I mean I have some Now 404 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: put these to your notes and suit the smell. Oh 405 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: these maybe the underside or these for sure smell a lot. 406 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: You get any smell um if you don't put them together. 407 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: I know, I think those yeah, the tops of getting 408 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: this like floral note and the bottoms I'm getting like 409 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: a pumpkin kind of scent from. It's at least you 410 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: all have a descriptive guess. No, guess is not the 411 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: right word. I mean, who's to tell you what? What 412 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: a smell is? The classic description and you might not 413 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: agree in it varies is apricots and it might even 414 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: be cooked with apricots to bring that out. Yeah, yeah, 415 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: a bunch at once. It's easy, perfect