WEBVTT - #127 - Canibus 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:05.800 Are we sure that the Tony chokbeat was playing on 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.640 all the other intros were recorded? Uh, this is fucking christ. 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.720 Welcome to the fucking bootleg keV podcast. I just got 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:18.120 done speaking with Cannabis the lyrical spiritual Miracles. We actually 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.560 that's kind of cool. We got to talk about that, right, Cannabis. 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.160 If you all don't know Man, legendary artists from the 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.520 late nineties and all of the two thousands just put 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.680 a new album out called Kaiju, just put a Horseman 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.640 project out alongside Kill a Priest can't well. Cannabis is 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:40.000 on an obviously corrupt and ras cast and we chopped 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.159 it up. Very interesting conversation, to say the least. 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Let's Talk to Cannabis bule Cav podcast. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.080 We got a special guest man, this guy someone who 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:22.360 is a legend, someone who I remember the trip to 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.520 the Warehouse record store when I bought your first album 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:32.080 and that was it ninety seven? It was it ninety eight. Well, 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.399 if you bought a single would have been in ninety seven. No, 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.880 it was the album, so it was ninety eight, ninety eight, Yeah, 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:41.279 number eighth. Yeah. I always play my like I'm driving 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.160 in the car and when my son tries to yell 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.680 at me for saying the word retarded, I play your 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.440 song and I'm like, yo, there is a fucking song 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.360 called get retarded when I was a kid. So fuck off. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.440 We from different eRASS, you know what I mean. But man, 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.360 welcome cannabis the legend. Yes, sir, you got a new 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:04.120 album out too. Yeah yeah, Kaiju right, Kaiju Kaiju? So 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.600 ask me what you want to know about? Yeah, what 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.840 is what is the what's what's that's what's tell us 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:13.600 about the title. Well, first of all, start there. Yeah, 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.320 pretty much. Kaiju was so that that's the that's the 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.640 word or the term that was coined to uh, pretty much, 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.840 you know, the umbrella for all those like those gods 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.560 Zilla movies, those big monster movies, you know, you know, 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:34.119 Japanese folklore and uh, you know before all the animations 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.120 panimations you had. We grew up on it. I mean, 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.560 I don't know where you were born. I was born 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.760 in eighty seven. No, I was I was born in 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.200 eighty seven. You were old enough definitely to like, on 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.519 a Saturday, you know, get up and see like all 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.440 of these you know, all the stuff going on on 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.160 a Saturday with after the cartoons of course, they go 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.280 through the you know, the Mystery Science Theater and they 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:58.080 and all of these. So Kaiju is the name that 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:03.080 it embodies all of those types of films. Free it 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:06.959 means big, means like monster some monster shit. Yeah. Well yeah, 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.720 but sometimes the monsters were good guys though, So I 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.720 don't know if they were monsters you know all the way. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.160 Sometimes they were good guys. Just sometimes you need a 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.720 really big fix for a big problem. Right, So cads, 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.639 you I'm a good monster. I feel like you've been 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:27.440 extremely like you know you also the Horsemen project. Finally 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.640 we got that right, shout out to the Horseman team. 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.400 That's right, it's been a long time coming. I just 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:34.760 I feel like you you you come in and out 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.960 of hip hop, like we won't hear from you, and 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.320 then we'll be like, oh shit, there's there's a Horseman album, 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:43.920 or there's a new Cannabis album, or like, you know, 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.000 you're what I like to call it. I always say 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.040 that there's a few Jedies in the rap game, and 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.160 I think you are one of the Jedies when it 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.960 comes to just your abilities when it comes to this 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:58.360 rap shit, Like how passionate are you about making music still? 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:03.120 So that's a big complishment. I really appreciate you even 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.160 saying it's a big compliment, man, pretty much, huge compliment. 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.200 I was a Star Wars fan growing up. You know, 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.360 you know there's a few there's there's a handful of 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.280 Jedis in the one of them, man is. But to 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.920 be one of them, it's a lot. It's a lot 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.320 of pressure to even take on that title, right, So 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:22.880 I can't really I can't take credit for it. I 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.320 can't take on that title. But to even be considered 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.440 and you know, have my name in the hat. It's 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.719 a big deal to me. And that's the way I 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:34.239 kind of kind of run through it now in my mind. 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:39.880 And also in practice where hip hop, you know, the 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.839 real moguls out there, the ones who make all the decisions, 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:47.880 you know, the taste makers, the kingmakers, those are I 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.400 guess the real jedis Man because they were able to 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.360 maneuver through a lot of the bear traps, a lot 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.039 of the you know a lot of the things that 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.640 were set up to like derail artists who had certain 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.240 certain elements to them that maybe you know, was wasn't 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:07.040 uh you know, you know it wasn't wasn't mainstream ready, right, 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.120 you know, certain little facets of people in their music 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.120 that you know, the system didn't really want to. I mean, 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:15.680 if we take it back to the days of like 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.039 n w A right, the title is an acronym y 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.679 because at that time, no one was able to handle 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.720 with the name really meant actually you know what I mean. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.400 And then I mean, look at there's that album from 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.599 Nas right there, which originally wasn't going to be called 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.080 n Okay. Yeah, album was going to be called you 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:37.760 know the Hard R. So you and I we we 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.159 were participating in the culture at the time when we 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.200 couldn't even say the things that people say. Now, we 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.279 kind of took all the heat from making it possible 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.440 to say whatever the hell you want and express yourself. 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:55.000 And so, you know, like I said, the Moguls are 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.800 probably the real Jedi. We're like me and myself. The 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.640 Mogos can't craft a thirty two bar verse like you can. 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.640 You know what I just mean in terms of like 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.599 your abilities, you're you know, like when we think of 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.040 like NBA two K and we look at someone's rankings, 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.279 like your rapping ability is like a ninety nine. You know, 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.160 it's not. Look, I really do appreciate you and for 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.560 saying that, and I appreciate that, and I appreciate you know, 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.400 the fans, the Brotherhood, people that you know say it 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.039 out loud, they think it out loud. But like I said, 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:30.640 the moguls in my mind, the moguls like the people 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:34.760 who are on the phone twenty four hours a day, Like, 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:36.839 just give you an example of it, like a Jedi 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.200 to me, that would be liked. And yeah, because without 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.960 without people like that, your record doesn't see the light 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.960 of day. See what I'm trying to say, yeah, because 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.800 you know, some if we if we, if we use 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:56.080 your you know, your perspective, want then these Jedis, man, 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.160 these Jedis can't even get their record played. These Jedis 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.640 can't get an interview right now. These Jedis can't make 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.680 you get what I'm trying to say. That's that's why, 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.760 that's why we you know, that's why I just fall back, 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.560 you know, stay in my lane now. I enjoy it, 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.080 you know what I mean. Life is not all rap, 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.280 no matter what people think. You know what I mean, 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.520 and just spread it out and try to, you know, 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.320 try to try to try to get the best of 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.800 what's what's left for us. You know, we're all we're 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.360 all like nearing half a century now, everybody for my era, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.480 well near half a century. So you know, you just 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.280 said life isn't all rap. And I feel like you 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:37.080 are somebody who embraced that concept relatively early on in 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.680 your career. It was all rap for me, but I 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:43.720 mean for somebody who was so dedicated to being right 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.880 to your craft, right like I feel like you know, 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.680 you know, I feel like you know, when you enlisted 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.080 and to join the you know, the armed services. Like, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:59.520 sometimes you get so wrapped up in perception, you know, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.120 the hip hip hop is all about perception, right, Like 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.120 when we like I had a you know, I'm real 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:09.520 cool with Little Brother, Okay, so uh, big rapper Big 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.080 Pooh and Fonte a couple of other jedis right, but 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.520 Big Pooh you know, openly talked about her. He was 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.760 driving uber, you know, just for some money on the scrip, 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.120 and like to me, it was like, yeah, that's that's okay, 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:26.400 because this is not We're all real, real human beings, 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.120 and sometimes we get so wrapped up in like perception, 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.120 because that's really what the hip hop game is. It's 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:33.720 like it's kind of like it's like it's like a 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.760 weird like here sport and I feel like you kind 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:37.760 of exist in your own world where you can come in, 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.280 drop an album, yeah, and then we might not hear 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.520 from you for like another year, you know what I mean? 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.679 Like why or how it was like that? That's a 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.720 little bit about my pay grade to even try to 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.360 quantify how it got like that. But I feel like 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:56.640 at all times, I feel like at all times, all 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.959 of the artists that come from our era multitasking. I mean, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.200 you know, a lot of us come from single parent 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.559 at homes, you know what I mean, Like we were 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.920 all doing things that we were able to multitask and 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.400 you know, helping Mama pay the bills, or helping grandma 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.400 you know, get this together, and you know, helping Grandpa 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.959 going down. We all from my error, We came from that, right, 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.960 And I'm talking about the things that are favorable and 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.800 the things that are not so favorable. Right. He did 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.760 whatever it took to you know, make o make our 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.679 family proud, or you know, bring home the bacon, right. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:35.880 And so you know, I think that during our eraror 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:37.760 we were all able to jump rope in a lot 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.640 of different ways. You probably had to too, right because 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.680 the deals back then were a lot more predatory as well. Yeah, 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:46.880 but I mean when it look even when time to 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.960 go to like sam ash or jur Music World or 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:54.360 you know, uh, you know, you know the Guitar Center. Right. Remember, 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:56.840 we were the ones that the kid the machines, these 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.800 drumming sheines, and we were the ones that would take 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.960 the dis equipment showing what it could really do. Right. 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.000 They didn't have anybody else who could even work these 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.880 machines out the way that we could, but you still 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:09.920 had to buy it. Man. You still had to put 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:11.439 plastic onto somebody that had to come in here and 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.480 out of co sign it. Or you work in one, two, 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.000 three jobs to get the cash. Or you know a 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.400 homie that is already getting it like that and he'll 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.400 spot you the bread to go, get the equipment to go, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.320 make the samples to go, make the demos to go 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.959 get you know, make the deal. You see what I'm 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.800 trying to say. There were always multiple steps that had 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.680 to be taken to get on. So paying dues was 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.440 not a short It wasn't a short term thing. Man, 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.959 Like you kind of were in it before you knew 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.200 what it was about what you were trying to get to. 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.920 You were looking at it through a telescope. When you 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.360 got to it, you realize that that role was a 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.800 little bit more arduous than you thought it was. And so, 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.480 like I said, man, I just feel like we all 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.000 were doing more at that time to get on. We 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.960 were all more we have more solid footing when we 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.800 got there. But as we grew, so did the majors. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.520 So did those that you know paid our checks, those 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.520 the buildings that we kept the lights on and they 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.960 also grew, and I guess at some time they started, 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.040 you know, they had to cut weight, right, They had to. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.120 When it was time for them to get into a 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.000 championship fight, they had to cut weight. And so when 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.679 they cut weight, they would they would always cut what 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.920 maybe wasn't keeping the lights on as long, right, And 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:27.440 obviously that's going to always gravitate back towards branding, right. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.320 And the people who were branding were the corporate guys, 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.040 you know, the clothing manufacturers and stuff like that. And 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.280 funny enough because here we are again right back into this. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.480 You know a lot of new things that are coming out, 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.280 they need people to brand it. But they don't need 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:45.360 rap anymore. Now. All they need is social media. We 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.120 were hip hop. We were the world's first social media. Yeah, 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.000 rap was, Yeah, for sure. You guys are at the 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.480 first influencers. You were the first man. Because you think 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.720 about it, nowadays, you just find someone who's got you know, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.839 some kids who's got fifteen million followers on TikTok. It 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:00.840 doesn't really have a talent, but they can pop your 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.760 ship off. Back then, you needed Ray Kwan to wear Tommy, 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.560 you know what I mean. You needed jay Z to 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.440 pop your crystal. You know what I mean? Now, you 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:16.560 just like, yeah, it's crazy. You know it's crazy because 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.760 I feel like you when we you know, and maybe 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.880 would know this, we always hear of the lyrical spiritual 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.920 miracle rappers. You've heard that term, right. I feel like 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.520 you are the quintessential when we think of the lyrical spirits. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.560 I feel like when people say that I think of cannabis. 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.240 You have so many intricate Ryan Patterson, fucking the vocabulary 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.880 is insane. You're fucking I feel like sometimes I'll be 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.320 hearing you wrapping. It's like math problems and all kinds 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.360 of algorithmic shit going on. Like I feel like you 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.679 are that guy, Like what do you like explain to 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.840 me your writing process. So in the beginning, it's funny 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.880 you say that because in the beginning, we were all 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.160 lyrical miracle guys, right, you know what I'm saying. And 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.439 but then because that's what we get on if we 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.800 just say lyrical, because you know, you're saying lyrical, so 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.719 you're look at the next words around with lyrical, you 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.479 know what I'm saying. So the lyrical miracles, spiritual individual 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.640 that we were all that in the beginning, all of 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.040 us were then and then it got to the point 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.800 where some artists came out and they were more you know, 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.440 to the to that the blink I'm not I'm not 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.000 singling out you know, shout out the cash money, but 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.000 I'm not singling them out blink the bling phase because 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.559 they started to bring error, right. So when so when 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.880 the blink ra came and so much bread was being 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:35.760 made from it that you know, everybody started getting bread 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.640 on that side of things. And then the lyrical miracle 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.880 dudes was just the backpackers, you know, and they lyrical 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.080 miracle dues broke and they had nothing. So then you 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:48.520 found dudes there were lyrical miracles, you know, laughing at 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:53.680 other lyrical miracles. Wait a minute, there was a yeah, yeah, 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:55.800 and then and then and then and then and then. 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.199 So one of my homies does he doesn't say the 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.959 lyrical miracle, he's with the fly died with tired eyed, 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.800 with mind die. Yeah, So that's what that's what it became. 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.959 And you know, it's kind of crazy when you got 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.440 your own you know, dudes come from the same cloth, 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.800 you know, rhym ability wise, laughing at the lyrical miracles. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.760 So then because you know, the machine helped them get 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.880 the bread. You can't get the bread, and then certain 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:26.120 things started happening. So yeah, man, I mean, you know, 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.880 I was happy to graduate out of the lyrical miracle 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.680 phase because it was a phase we all go through. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.640 Then I got into the poetry and I did that 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.560 probably circle around what I say for whom to be 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:42.280 Tolls seven. That's when it got to where the rhymes 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.840 that were coming out of my mouth no one could 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.480 shadow them. You didn't know what I was gonna say next, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:52.560 because you know, lyrical wasn't going round with miracle. I 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.680 was gonna make lyrical rhyme with mo libd in them, 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.720 you know what I mean. So yeah, but that that 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.800 lyrical miracle era was fun. I just think like I think, 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:09.160 like you know, I guess since since uh you know, 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.200 I think if your era was like guys like yourself, 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.000 like like Raz like obviously a guy who's a partner 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.600 in the Horseman shout to rationals, make sure this friend's amazing. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.120 But then I think even after that, like I think 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.280 of like at least on the forefront commercially wise, like 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.040 I think Loupe is one of those guys who's just 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:30.040 like a fucking alien. You know, they didn't let us 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.720 have a lane though, like they we had a lane 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:37.680 and no one set up an HOV lane force. There 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.480 was no hov lane force. We were we were still 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.040 getting in and out of lanes and really had no place. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.240 There was no home for us, you know, yeah, no 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.720 for sure. And you know what's crazy is like we 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.960 think back, like what you just said, there was lyrical 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:56.080 guys calling out lyrics like there was a divide, And 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.960 I think back to how crazy it was when con 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:05.600 Ye West put Talib quality or I'm sorry when jay 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.840 Z put Tallip Quali in that when he said I'd 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.440 probably be lyrically taylib Kwali And I'm like yo to 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.360 think that there was a point in time where we 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.960 thought that jay Z and Talib were so far apart 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.880 when they aren't at all, and like you know it, 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.360 or when Most Deaf and Freeway were put on that 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.760 record up to was it two words right at the 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.480 end of college Dropout by Kanye West. It was so 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:36.560 weird because it felt like Kanye brought two worlds together, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.920 Most Deaf and Freeway when in gen like they're they're 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.120 the same shit. But that's where things are so different now, 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.000 because now there's like real serious divides in hip hop 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.360 as far as like, you know, back then, it was like, hey, 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.720 it's just somebody happened to have a commercial record deal 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.240 and maybe have a club record. But at the same time, 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.880 you know, racist records felt so far away from rock 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.080 Fellow restaurants, but they weren't really were they really like no, 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.280 of course not like and even then, like you mentioned 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.480 cash Money, like Little Wayne's one of the greatest rappers 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.679 of all time, absolutely, you know what I mean. But 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.359 when you heard the Rockers records though, like, but the 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.879 owner of that at the time, it's like it's like 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:19.680 a super mongul and but no one knew that though, right, 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.000 No one knew that. So it just felt like there 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.560 was this huge divide between like the backpack shit, the 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.720 you know, we would consider the quote unquote real hip 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.320 hop R and the commercial shit, which was also real 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.199 hip hop. Like now I feel like there is a 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.120 serious like, you know, at least maybe not as much 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.520 anymore as there was like a few years ago when 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.040 the SoundCloud shit really went crazy and Little Pump was 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.960 fucking huge, and I was really like, Okay, I'm old, right, Yeah, 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.480 I feel you know, but I do think it's dope 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:54.280 that now, no matter what, the last ten to twelve years, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:58.000 the top four guys are all amazing. Drake J Cole, 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:03.200 Kendrick Lamar, these guys are all absolutely Yeah, these guys 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.240 are all like at the forefront of hip hop, right, 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:11.880 and they're all extremely high level, high caliber talented rappers 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.360 keeping the lights on as well, right, Yeah, they keep 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.840 the lights on at every label that they're at. But 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.480 they also are incredibly talented. So I think it just 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.840 says that like, no matter what, like there might be 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.560 eras where people come and go, but that the cream 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.600 is always gonna rusch to the top and be the constant, 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.600 you know what I mean? Right, who are you a 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.479 fan of? Like, who do you listen to that's you know, 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:33.920 maybe not from your era, that's a little bit newer 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:35.920 that like you really respect As far as on the mic, 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.480 I mean, you know, got to tell you, man, it 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.200 just it just ranges. Man, It depends on who. Like 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.760 baby might come on, niece's nephews to come over the house. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.800 They're playing stuff you know they want to listen to 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:51.600 that you know, I might have to sit and lend 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.280 an ear to it because you know, watching over them 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.280 for a little bit, right and you hear the music 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:02.720 and what they're saying, Like the delivery now is a 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.360 lot tighter from these little younger than it was when 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.640 we were coming up. Oh yeah, man, yeah, the melodics 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.520 is amazing. People are making great records right now. They're 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:16.040 making good records. But also you know, and content wise, 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:17.760 I want to make the distinction, like they don't have 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.240 enough experience to make the poetry that that the area, 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.720 enough life, enough life experiences. There's no way and no 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.560 way for them to put that kind of poetry together. 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.680 They'll get there, but in so far as the delivery, 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.720 you know, it amazes me even how they're able to 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.080 do that. And some of them don't have any classical 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:42.000 musical training, Like they don't even know people talking about 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.240 bars and don't believe you know, what the bar is, right, 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.800 So that's always going to be something that you got 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.480 to look at, you know, raise a brow or two 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.640 to know that. I guess they're just born with it now, 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.960 like instinctually they come out the womb and they have 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.920 a metronome that they can follow, and they can double time. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.800 I'm just on que they can double time. They can 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.080 you know they can switch up to time signatures. Like 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.639 what they do now is amazing. But like I said, 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.000 the older generation when it maybe look you know, if 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.760 they were looking for anything from the newer generation, the 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.560 ladies generation, they'll be looking for, you know, certain things 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:22.520 content wise, but you know they can't provide that yet. 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.480 But they'll get there. And then when they get there, 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.840 the next graduating class will be coming in and they'll 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.800 be speaking about something they'll probably be delivering, you know, 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:33.920 through some kind of AI metaverse. You know what I'm saying. 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.560 People rhyming with the goggles on for sure. I mean, 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.080 and once you got that and you got backgrounds going on, 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:42.080 and you got now you know, who can compete with that, 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:46.200 right because visually you're giving whatever consumers at that time 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:48.760 is going to be looking You're giving them something that 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.800 you know, the eraror that we're looking at now that's 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.879 maybe two behind us. They wouldn't even be able to 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.160 compete with them. So this is this is a cyclical cycle, 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:00.760 you know, cyclical, it's going to continue you on and on. 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.360 I really I look at it as like an observer 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.280 man from the outside. Man, I just I just break 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:08.400 out the popcorn. Bro. I'm say, when you're listening to music, 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:10.639 you're still listening to a lot of hip hop. Not really, 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:12.920 not really man, you know what I'm saying. I throw 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:15.959 to tell you. I know it sounds crazy, man, but 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:17.320 you know, if I go on you know, if I'm 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.679 on the XFM, I'm just listening to like, uh, you know, 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:22.720 music that has no words, you know what I mean. 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:24.920 Like I might sit there and just listening to Nora 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.000 im Pure, you know what I mean, right, because riding 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.080 around it makes me feel rich. You know, if I'm 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:30.880 listening to Nora and Pure, it makes me feel rich. 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.639 If I'm listening to you know this, this MC or 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:35.960 this rap kid on here talking about I don't feel rich. 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.520 I feel like, damn, I feel broke as fuck. You know, 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:40.960 just got just that in the third I don't got that, 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:42.679 you know what I mean. I'd rather just listen to 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:44.840 something that, you know, it's just a little bit more 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:50.360 you know, soundscape, you know, heavy bass, tempo, going crazy, 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:51.919 you know what I mean, something that you could just 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.320 relax your mind to. Because you really sit down and 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:55.879 listen to these guys, man, you can feel like you're 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.440 missing out on all the good things in life. Raps 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.240 shouldn't really be like that, man. You shouldn't have to 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.440 listen to rap and feel like you're missing out on life. 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.879 Should be listening to rap and feel like, you know, 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:09.879 like like Okay, this is where I want to be, 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.440 but rap now makes you feel like you're not where 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:14.560 you want to be and you made a mistake and 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:15.920 I need to do what you're doing. It's been like 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.040 that for a while. I mean you mentioned the bling blinger. 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:20.239 I think it really started pretty pretty heavily, you know, 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:22.639 with cash money, because it's like your bird man's rapping 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:26.360 about having a fucking a car with a driver's seat 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:29.440 in the middle. Yeah. Yeah, but look, you can't put 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:33.159 it all on you and some people probably listen like 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:35.000 I love that shit. You're gonna give you an insight. 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.600 I'm gonna give your insight to it. It really, it 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.080 really didn't start with those guys, man, Like those guys 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:44.640 were just answering a call. It started with our magazines, right, 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:51.320 So so you had these magazines, like you know the magazines, Yeah, yeah, 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:55.320 other magazines, others, right, all of them. Right, there was 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.479 a time when those magazines were very thin because there 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.080 were no ads in them. Then they all got loaded up, 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:03.439 and once they got loaded they got thicker, not just 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:05.800 in the back, also in the middle of the peel outs. 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:09.480 Right once they went there, anybody could go look it 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.639 up and see. That's when the article started to go 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:15.840 from being favorable or agreeable, like like, oh yeah, we 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.560 got such and such most you know, most loved, or 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.879 you know someone who's known for such and such, like 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:27.399 all accolades and praise right to to oh yeah, the 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.280 East Coast West Coast War started because such and such 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:32.840 they sent. And then that was in bold lettering, and 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:36.480 then the division started, right, that's when the division started. 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:40.119 The division started when magazine started to put in bold 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:43.639 writing disagreements that people had that had nothing to do 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.480 with the album outright, but they grabbed the narrative. They 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:52.440 were grabbing narratives and now poisonous, poisonous to us, and 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:54.919 they fed it back to us. And so you know, 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:59.280 you know what happens when you feed bovine cow bovine bones, right, 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:02.879 what happened? It breaks down, It degenerates, right, it turns 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:06.520 into like you know that mass Yeah, I think I 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:09.040 think obviously a disease, right, But what they did to 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.119 us they fed us our own dead, right. I mean 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:14.159 I think when when when when these magazines realized that's 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.879 what sold? Because think about it, back then, you couldn't 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.080 go on social media and address someone directly or in 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:21.560 real time. Right, it was like I got to wait 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:23.720 to see what they say in the next vibe or 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:26.640 I you know, it was so much, he said, she said, 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.160 because there was no direct to consumer way to communicate 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.200 with fans. Well, yeah, but I mean you got to 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.160 take responsibility. You know, everybody's got to be accountable, right, 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:39.560 like if in other there were other magazines, you know, skiing, biking, 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.240 you know the stuff that William Randolph Hurst did. You 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:47.320 know everything was for photography, skiing, biking, boating, all the 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:50.439 I's right, he just got them all and he added 0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:54.320 I G to every hobby, every record, recreational pastime, and 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.600 it sold. You go look at those magazines. They were 0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.560 dividing their own culture. You didn't need to see people 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:05.160 dividing celle craft with you know, diesel engines versus gas. 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.480 You know, people make comparisons, but they didn't make it 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:11.000 to where like you know, don't buy this, you know, mirror. 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.000 But but like right, look right, it's only in rap, 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:16.800 and so that's that tells you that there was an 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:20.639 agenda involved, you know. But what confuses me always is 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:24.040 that rap just kind of keeps going down the same 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:31.680 circle that those same bear traps pitfalls. It just they 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:34.960 just break out the same you know, a recurring pitfall 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.719 every five or ten years, and people fall into it. 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:42.000 For example. I don't understand how the owners of these 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:45.280 magazines didn't see ten years ahead in the future, which 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:49.000 ain't even long. Can't you see that by putting these things, 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:52.720 by grabbing the narrative and making it negative in your magazine, right, 0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:55.720 can't you see that, all that's gonna do is push 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.960 your magazine out the window eventually to where you're not 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:02.800 gonna have the staff. You know, you eventually you're going 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.400 to kill your own culture through the magazine. Right, You're 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:11.560 gonna kill your magazine. The the the platforms are gonna 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:13.680 change and to go online. Now you don't have a 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.920 staff anymore. Right. And I can say this because I 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:18.439 was I lived it. Like you know, when you had 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.000 promotion and marketing. Man, there was a time and you're 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:24.040 from a relatively same era, there was a time when 0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:28.600 craft services used to get money from coming to our videos, 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.160 coming to the you know, to the meet and greets, 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:34.600 just parking the truck outside the food truck outside the promotions. 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.040 The marketing promotions. Guys used to get bootgoo bucks. Man. 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:38.280 They used to go, Yeah, they have to go to 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.119 the record stores and make sure you had your your 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:43.800 setup and your posters in the record stores. Yeah, you know, 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.479 somebody making some clothes. You know, just got some some 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.080 garms and stuff. Like everyone was getting paid. Everybody was 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.680 getting bread or that's what I'm saying. It was coming 0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:55.600 out of your budget. I'm talking about the self I'm about. 0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:57.960 I'm talking about self man, I'm not I'm not talking 0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:01.199 about labels paying people. I'm talking about people making the 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:03.760 work that you was able to get it all back 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.919 through being busy every day doing what you loved. That 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.000 just the time where we were still doing what we loved, 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.680 and like I said, things just started to get strained 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:15.359 and it's like they put us through some kind of 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:17.919 a funnel and what came out the other end was 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.280 all right, well, now you just upload your music and 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:23.160 we don't need anybody to promote it. You can pay 0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:25.440 for the promoting, But that just means we're just gonna 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:28.200 digitally send a signal and ping a website and get 0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:32.600 avatars and you get bots right right, so you know, 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.119 and it's it's really alarming. Man. You just look and 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:40.280 you see how much power does the average rapper have? Man? 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:44.640 Not much? And that's crazy to me. Yo, you mentioned 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.760 the metaverse a bit earlier, but I know that you 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:51.080 you you're in the NFT space a bit. Yeah, the metaverse. Yeah, 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:54.680 I'm listening. But I'm just curious, like what you've always 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:57.320 kind of been ahead of the curve when it comes 0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:00.800 to be online shit or just certain shit like total 0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:02.840 curse man, talk about the n f T ship man, 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.240 because obviously, I think a lot of artists are still 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:09.520 trying to figure out the space. It's new, starting to 0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:11.320 kind of understand what it is, but at the same 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:15.119 time are very disconnected to what it really is. So, 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:19.240 so you're in the space, how are you feeling about 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:21.280 like kind of just that whole side of the game. Okay, 0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:23.480 so a lot a lot of it. You know, I'm 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:26.240 only qualified to speak on a fraction of what what 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.639 an NFT can do or where it's going, right, mainly 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:34.040 because a lot of the you know, you got to 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:36.480 be a colder, man like. You really have to you know, 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:38.760 really know what you're doing, man like, because I've worked 0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:40.760 with some of those guys, and I mean they're like 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:43.720 brainiacts man, you know, and most of them, from what 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:46.720 I see, they're like our age. They're not little youngest 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.160 because they had to go and invest the time to 0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:52.680 learn these programs and they have to know how to cold. 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.720 And even now as you talk about like, if you 0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:57.800 want to go build a website, you got to go 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:01.320 get somebody from India to do it. Right. When I 0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:03.440 remember when I was building spitballs dot com. This is 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:06.560 a long time ago, this is twenty ten, and you know, 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:10.120 my team and I, you know, were handling building spitballs 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:11.800 dot com. And I got to tell you, man like, 0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:15.480 there were only two coders in the country. One was 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:18.160 in Miami and when it was in Colorado that could 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.880 have built the site. So we had to outsource to India. 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.640 No problem with that. It's just that India has different 0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:26.840 holidays from us, so we were trying to get things done. 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:28.920 It was like, oh man, they're on holiday. Got to 0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:31.240 hit them back this time, you know, O Ramadan, look, 0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:34.600 can't do your cipher right. So that's kind of crazy 0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.320 considering it. And it's been like that for a long time. 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:41.400 And so NFTs. While there's a lot to it and 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:44.800 there's a lot that can happen because of it, I 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:46.880 think Rap's gonna miss the boat with it again, man, 0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:50.479 because once again, you know, they're not our own people 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:54.840 are not They're not paying attention to the ones who 0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:59.600 stand to gain and lose the most if we don't 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.240 get some thing like that for ourselves and not listening 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.000 to them. They want to go run to just the 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:10.040 corporate the corporate masters, right that that you know really 0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:11.920 kind of don't care one way or another if you 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.080 make something that your grandchildren are going to be able 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:17.680 to tap into to you know, go to school, you know, 0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:22.160 get higher education, right. And that's not my acts to grime, man, 0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.000 I'm just saying that to even sit up here and 0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.880 talk about NFT stuff. I mean, I was talking about 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.520 cannabis dot com and nobody gave a ship you mean 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:32.680 me to talk about it now? Nobody? I mean people 0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:34.760 people are giving I mean you, I tell you just 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.120 had some NFTs. I mean how many? I tell you? 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:38.680 Just put up an n f T, right, I don't 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.640 have any NFTs if you go online and you look 0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:44.400 for cannis nts. You don't have any cannabis enttis. But 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.840 the whole thing is that, you know, I'm I'm orbiting 0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:50.440 the technology and I'm orbiting the n f T world 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.640 because there are things that are works of art that 0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:54.520 I would like to you know, I would I would 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.720 like to either ascertain or you know, have investors, you know, 0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:02.840 angel investors come in and as right, because okay, so 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:06.520 this this board ape you know NFT for y'all clup 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.840 thing right now? Now you look at that right now, 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:14.080 If you look at it, it's colorful. It does draw 0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:15.920 on you a little bit when you look at it, 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:17.480 right to at least for you to scroll and look 0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:19.920 at the next one, and you think maybe that, like, 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.440 you know, maybe there's a maybe there's a like a 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.360 a hip you know, someone that has like hip hop 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:30.560 roots behind it, and it's probably not, probably not, And 0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:33.080 that's kind of like crazy, So where so where are 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.920 the hip hop guys that because the prices of those 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:41.760 things are insane right so so so how how would 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.240 we ever be able to participate in something like that 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:47.600 when it's happening right now and none of us are 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.040 in that space? So it's almost like is it too 0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:52.520 late or like do you think it's too late for 0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:54.160 people to get into that. It's too late. It's too 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.560 late because of the division that you talked about earlier, 0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:58.280 because it's like, you know, no one's going to pull 0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:01.520 together enough to go do that everyone else. I mean, 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.760 now that we're speaking about that, let me, let me 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:07.160 let me pretty much. 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Right, I just said that on there, Right, 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:22.320 I'd be surprised to see how many people go there 0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:25.400 and try to take advantage of or look into what's 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.880 there for them right now, you know, X amount of 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.040 days later after this broadcast, I'll find out, right, and 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:34.480 most likely, like the way that I see it is 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.560 because I said it, no one cares, right, But this 0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:42.000 company they're building on their own without me saying that, right, 0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.960 So they're probably gonna grab onto something else out there 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:48.760 that's gonna win. And then you know, we're gonna be 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:50.520 looking at the people who we told about it, like 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:52.880 but we told you though, right, and they're gonna run 0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:56.720 off with somebody else that's gonna you know, distribute their 0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:00.680 their music's, put their take their names sake, you know, 0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:04.040 you know, get their their crypto world together, you know, 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.720 while it's you know, get all that stuff is very important, 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.479 and I know why, but I can't say it why 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.520 because it doesn't matter unless they go look a look 0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:16.960 into an I pictorial. The I patorial app right. But 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:20.799 one day, very soon, they're gonna wake up and they're 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.360 gonna be in that world already. You can't buy anything 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.279 in that world. You're not gonna be able to uh 0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:28.560 earn it. You're gonna be able to get any air drops. 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:30.000 You're not gonna be get it. You're just gonna wake up. 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:31.800 You're just gonna owe it, and you're gonna have to 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.439 go to work until get it. And in the same 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.080 way we have to do that for the US dollars. 0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:38.120 You got to earn the US dollar. So one day 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:42.040 you're not gonna be able to purchase into that world, right, 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:43.920 You're gonna have to work into that world. That's right, 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.040 which is which is a crazy I mean, that's a 0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.279 crazy thought. And its eventually for us though, I think 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:52.880 that us we're gonna still be able to do what 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:56.239 we do and do we're we're good at doing. It's 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.520 the new generation. Man. We're talking about our kids here, 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.319 about our grant and children. This is what we're really 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:03.319 talking about. And we're talking about that kind of stuff. 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.520 That's what we're really talking about, because we're able to 0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:07.680 we're able to get it in so many different ways. No, 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:09.880 you're right, you're right, right, this is probably maybe fifty 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:13.400 one hundred years away. Yeah, you know, I wanted to 0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:15.600 talk to you, so I know. I'm sure you saw. 0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:19.480 Uh was it? Ll got into the Rock and Roll 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:21.480 Hall of Fame. That's right, he got inducted, right, he 0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:23.600 got inducted, and he shot it. He shouted you out 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:25.520 just about a month now, right, he has been a 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:27.560 month ago, and he shouted you out in the speech, 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.680 which I thought was dope because, in my opinion, bring 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:36.560 top three battles. As a kid, I remember obviously second 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:40.400 Round Knockout, and I remember going and buying DMX's It's 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:44.440 Dark and Hell Is Hot, the bonus disc version, because 0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:46.919 the second there was a there was a Deaf Jam 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:50.600 version of that album that had a bonus disc in 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:54.279 it that had the Ripper strikes back on it. Right, right, Yeah, 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.879 that's right. And I just remember knowing both of those 0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:00.920 records by heart and just thinking, like day, like I 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.800 like just it was such a just an epic time, 0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.240 epic battle. But I always felt like there was always respect, 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:09.600 and I thought it was just so dope to see 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:11.799 all these years later, ll just show you some love, 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:13.640 you know. I mean, it's a shame that we didn't 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.719 WWF it right. And what I mean by that is like, like, 0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:22.640 why couldn't there have been some wise elder right to 0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:25.239 come out and just say, all right, listen, man, you 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:30.160 guys kissing makeup right now, right but on the screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.880 do that, and let's all really just get rich, and 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.560 let's let's go ahead and create to do this, take 0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:38.719 this template and do it every time rap artists getting 0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:43.440 too beef. Instead, for us, there was no WWF. They 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.560 put everybody in a situation like this is real. You 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:49.279 can't sleep tonight because you got dissed. You know what 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:52.520 I'm saying. You can't show your face because you got dissed. 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:56.440 You're under pressure because you got dissed. You you know 0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:59.279 what I mean, You're not You're not the artist that 0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:01.680 we all thought you word because you got dissed. Like 0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.479 hip hop kind of did a number on the both 0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:07.880 of us, I think, and every artist thereafter and before 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.359 that got into you know, disagreements with each other. There 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:15.600 was no at no time there on my watch was 0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:20.359 I able to witness someone that was wise coming into 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:24.120 the fray right and saying, you know what, there's a 0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.320 way the w W F this where everyone gets paid. 0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.120 That's right, and we take our wrapper hats off at 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.560 the end of the night. Never happened. Never happened. So 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:35.200 that's how I look at the whole thing. I don't 0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:38.000 everything y'all talk about what y'all saying to me, man, 0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:43.000 it's Chinese, because what everybody else is talking about it 0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:46.520 is something that still we spent five minutes talking about 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.840 this so far, it makes no money, nobody gets anything 0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:52.840 from it. But on the w w S side of things, 0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:57.560 they eat bro and I'm not slow, yeah, and I'm 0:37:57.560 --> 0:37:59.960 not slow. So I kind of feel I kind of 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.719 I feel assaulted. I feel like I got stuck with 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.040 the dummies, you know what I mean. I got put 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.799 into the genre music guy had to get to do 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:09.520 that with the dummies, you know what I mean. I 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.080 should have been on another side where it's like, you know, 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:15.240 somebody the wise man comes down off the off the mountain. 0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:17.799 He's got the plan and he says, I like what 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.319 you guys, just did you know what let's go get 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:22.799 some money with it instead on this side of thing 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:25.680 and wrapped, almost like a Paul Hayman. That's right, let's 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:27.960 do it. But on this side of the thing, we wrap. 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:30.399 The guy comes off the top of the mountain. He says, man, 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:33.279 you won't believe what he said to me about you 0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:34.920 up there. Man, if I was you might go up there. 0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:36.160 You see what I'm trying to say. I hear what 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:37.719 you're saying. And then they just wipe us out. We 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:41.160 wipe ourselves out, and I and I'm confused as to 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:45.200 how nobody has can see it yet. Yeah, I mean 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.160 and if and hey, look there might be situations that 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.120 we just aren't privy to where that it might have happened. 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.520 You know, I don't know. I just don't love you 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:55.279 that bullshit now, I don't know. I don't know the 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.480 way word of mouth goes on and wrap. You're right, 0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.640 it's a bunch of commons. B Yeah. So when you 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:01.520 when when you heard him shout you out, like I mean, 0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:05.440 obviously that was the phone went crazy. The texts were crazy, 0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:10.120 you know, you know, I was I didn't even remember 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:12.240 what I was doing at the time. Oh, I was writing, 0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:15.400 I was writing for Kaiju. I was writing, I was writing, 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:17.920 I was I was vocaling, right, I was vocaling, and 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:20.160 I put the phone on airplane mode. So when I 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.279 took it off, it was like a thing went crazy. 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.480 And then I was like, oh, man, I just not stupid. 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.759 I'm thinking of something stupid. I'm thinking. He got up 0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:29.520 there and said, yo, man, I want to see cannabis 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.319 in the pine box. I'm saying, I'm just telling you 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.719 right what I thought when I looked at it, and 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:36.960 then when I heard it was the opposite. You know, 0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:40.719 it did feel good, you know, no wild now wow. Now, 0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:43.480 while of course, you know, what if I was like 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.759 stuck somewhere in South Africa, right, and I couldn't get 0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:49.000 back to the States or right, what if I'd been 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:52.239 human traffic somewhere right, think about this, right, what if 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:57.719 I was somewhere else unable to communicate back right? But 0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:02.040 I heard about that how you're supposed to feel. You're 0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.799 not supposed to feel like this, shout out, it's any 0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.360 kind of guiding light from the creator, like, you know, 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.960 just hang in there, kid, you're at it, right, And 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:13.080 then this is not the way that rap I feel 0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:15.680 in the beginning, this is not the way that it 0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:20.320 was meant to develop. I don't feel that way because 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:26.440 every other the word team, the word genre, the word group, 0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:32.080 the word I mean, just any synonym to you know, 0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:38.080 like like a group, right people, right, any other synonym 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:40.799 is going to you look up the examples, or you 0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:44.040 look up something that's comparable. You're going to see that. 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:47.640 We don't leave nobody behind, you know what I mean? 0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:50.640 All right? You know what. We keep our scuffles inside 0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.399 the family. You know what I mean. Everybody all desk, 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:55.160 got to be paid, so forth and so on. But 0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:59.640 you know what, we don't leave nobody behind. Man, rap, Bro, 0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.640 I'm I'm I'm good man, I'm good because you know 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.480 what I mean. I got other things doing and working right. 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:10.759 But for those who don't, you gotta you gotta guess. 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:12.880 List so long and wrap of people that can come 0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:16.279 up here and talk about being left behind. I'm telling you, bro, 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.680 it's not something made right with that picture. Man. I agree. 0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:22.360 I mean, I'm not here to fix it either, But 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:25.279 you're right, you're right, so don't so. I don't want 0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.360 anybody to come talk to me like I'm slow about 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.280 a shout out or something like that. I'm not miserable 0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:34.600 about it. I'm saying it. Don't don't even waste my time, man. 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:37.240 You know what I mean about something that it doesn't 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:39.880 mean anything. You know what I'm saying it? 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Yeah, you know, you know Tore 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:09.880 Tore should have Tore should have guy gave us like 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:12.120 he did. Somebody did tell us to due sign offs 0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:15.879 she to should have gave us like a percentage on that. Yeah. 0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:17.560 Tori was the guy he ended up, you know, the 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:21.279 journalist journalist. Yeah you've been Yeah. I remember seeing his 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:25.399 face on CNN one day, like, yo, that dude. It's 0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.520 like the Beef DVD, right, I remember, so QD three 0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.520 shout out to QD three. Yeah, Quincy Jones Sun, that's right, 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:33.560 that's right. But I mean it's like, you know, a 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:35.839 percentage on that would have been nice, you know. Yeah, 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:37.919 the fact that he made so much money on three 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:40.440 with three or four of those dvs, and no one 0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:43.560 saw anything off of it. Listen to me, man, those 0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.799 beef dvs were moving in the morn style playing. I 0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:47.960 got three of them, I got my house. Stop playing. 0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.120 So this this, that's all I'm saying. Man. Like when 0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:52.120 it just came, it seemed like when it came to rap, Man, 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:56.120 it's like win it takes all, you know, And I mean, look, 0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:58.799 the entertainmentdustry in general is very predatory, right yeah, But 0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:02.879 hold on though, man, anywhere else in their entertainment industry, Man, 0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:09.080 there are ancillary you know, like what drops on the head, 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:12.880 drips on the shoulder, So there are things that drop 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:14.960 off the tree. Man. It's like it's like, okay, that 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:18.719 fruit is ripe or it's over ripe, but it's still sustenance. 0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:26.000 But then wrap Listen, man, our VA list you know 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:30.640 of injured and wounded and you know otherwise is it's 0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:37.239 it's unbearable. That's true. It's unbearable, and I can't do 0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:39.920 anything about it. I don't have the resources do anything 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:41.640 about it. Every time I try to go get the 0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:44.719 resources to do something about it, I was blocked one 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.040 way or another. Right. The narrative was stolen and taken 0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:50.120 from me, and the narrative changed into something that was 0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:52.279 like a had something to do with beef or drama. Right, 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:56.839 But I'm only speaking on it now to just kind 0:44:56.840 --> 0:44:59.080 of just say, hey, just build a little bit of 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.719 awareness about it and sort of like kind of like, 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:03.560 you know, I put my hat cast. No. I think 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:06.239 there's been a bunch of attempts of like, right, like 0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:08.400 what is like the retirement plan for hip hop or 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:10.759 then or just there's so many like why are there 0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:13.120 more safety nets for artists, you know, like at the 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.560 end of the day, like if a major label they 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:16.920 chew you up and spitch you out if you're not 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:20.279 worth anything. So I've heard that on clubhouse, there's been 0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:25.000 talks about different things like uh, man, I don't want 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.480 to say the wrong name of the double og and 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:30.960 rap music that is pushing it. I don't want to 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:33.319 say the wrong name. So I know that there's somebody's 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:38.560 is behind it. That's not the name, I guess. I 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:42.000 know there's a few. There's a few, but but but 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:46.399 something about having like sit before the Supreme Court signed 0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:49.719 the petition, sit before the Supreme Court and try to 0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:55.640 get a like uh uh, benefits, retirement packages, medical things 0:45:55.680 --> 0:46:00.239 like that for artists right now, great ideas, superb idea. Yeah. 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.239 But you know what though, it's too late. And the 0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:07.080 reason I say that is because how can you go 0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:09.640 before like the American people or any type of global 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:13.160 audience right when you're nearing you know, like I said, 0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:16.880 our era is half a century and right, and then 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:19.520 those that came a little bit ten years before, it's 0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.839 sixty sixty years in or better then you got those 0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:25.719 are the seventy and nearing eighty. How are you going 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:29.520 to sit in front of you know, three generations later, 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:31.920 you're sitting in front of them and you're asking them 0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:34.839 for more money. When we travel the globe, we made 0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:37.080 the money. You see what I'm trying to say, it's 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:40.080 a little bit it's a little bit lopsided. Right, These 0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:42.440 things should have kind of been set up before. So 0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.720 now you know the little things we were talking about earlier. 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.439 Now you might want to try to, you know, try 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.880 to steer the youngins in a certain direction to secure 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.720 their own futures, and then you kind of get blocked 0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:58.320 with that too. So it's kind of like we're railroaded 0:46:58.360 --> 0:46:59.920 either way, you know, what I mean, because there are 0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:02.240 things now that they could do to secure their future. 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.719 So I think that there's literacy, right, It's like I 0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:07.399 feel like I feel like unfortunately, like like we're talking 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:11.200 about retirement plans and stuff, like any artists, they're just 0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:14.959 a little bit more and we're talking about eighteen nineteen 0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:16.879 year old kids, you know what I mean, just trying 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:21.480 to improve their life conditions. Absolutely, so they're just gonna sign. 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:24.200 But at the same time, it's like, man, like, we 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:25.600 just got to do a better job. And I think 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:28.800 we are part of the first generation that's probably taking 0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:32.240 financial literacy a little bit more serious. Of course, of course, 0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:35.560 but you know a lot of that stuff like Unfortunately, 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:37.279 like you said, it's probably never gonna happen. So it's 0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:39.120 really up to the artists. Up to the artists. You 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.279 gotta take care of your shit, because because all that 0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:45.600 we could do accumulatively is set up some type of 0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:50.960 safety net for those that they're not done. Their careers 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:53.880 are not over the music, right, but the safety net 0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:56.040 is there to kind of get them back on track 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:58.800 if they do want to. You don't get back into 0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:01.120 it right, right, This should be some kind of a 0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:03.560 some kind of a safety net from somewhere, but that 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:06.880 really doesn't exist. I don't think it it will exist. 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:11.560 So it's up to the individual literacy, right, So basically 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:15.560 we're asking, we're asking. We're asking youngins who came and 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.839 you know, dedicated, they committed everything, you know, the hip hop. 0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:21.200 You know, they took on the risk, they took on 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:24.440 I mean everything. They went into these dark rooms, you know, 0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:26.600 they went in there with these mvgs on. They did 0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.280 their best. They they you know, they they did everything 0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:33.080 that you know, most people be scared to do, terrified, 0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:36.040 petrified to do. These little youngers we're here and did this, 0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:37.840 and we're asking them to go in there and do 0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:40.520 all of this and not have any There's nothing on 0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:42.520 the other side for them, you know what I mean. 0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:46.600 And that's kind of I yell, man, I just yo, man. 0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:50.879 I guess so like defeated even thinking about it. I mean, look, 0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.279 it's like it's like any any if anybody ever told you, like, hey, 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:56.080 look this is your career. But there's no you know, 0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:57.759 when you sign up to be a doctor or a 0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:00.960 lawyer or anything, you know that there's a safety net, 0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:03.719 you know what I mean, there might be benefits whatever 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.600 it is, take me back to those that night from 0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:10.879 that cipher Big Pond is one of my favorite ever, 0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:13.040 I mean most, I mean, I mean, this is just 0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:15.919 this is a crazy night in hip hop. DMX is there, 0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:18.640 I mean, you're there, Like, what what do you remember 0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.080 about that night in those circumstances from that night? I 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:29.319 remember that in that room as as as tense as 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:32.840 it was because of what we all were trying to 0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:35.600 do in our own lives. We all wanted to come 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:42.160 out make our impacts, you know, playing our flags in 0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:47.520 the ground right and firmly make an impact in hip 0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:50.520 hop across the world. That's what we wanted to do. 0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:54.799 We were all American artists, you know, you know, of course, 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:58.280 coming from different lineages, right, and everyone on the cusp 0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:00.520 of being the next big thing, and right right right 0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:02.680 and then and then ethnically it was it was really 0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:04.680 spread out all throughout, you know what it was spread 0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:07.319 It was spread out, It was spread out round table, right. 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:12.000 But in spite of how intense it was, what I 0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:16.680 what I distinctly remember was as much as each one 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:20.560 of us was willing to go hard with them rhymes 0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:24.880 and other things to make that statement, there was still 0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:29.120 complete love in that room, and you can look at 0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:31.080 it and tell like like there was love for each other, 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:34.719 in respect for each you know, that's what you didn't 0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:37.680 see anything jump off in there. There was like unbecoming 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:39.640 of you know, artists that are kind of liking their 0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:43.280 freshmen role trying to get it popping. Like we showed 0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:46.400 love to each other and that and were there was 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:49.120 no security there. We didn't need any extra There was 0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:52.200 no hype man there, there was no there was no squads. 0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:55.319 Nobody had a whole squad standing outside the door like 0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:57.840 so that much I remember. I remember that there was 0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:00.839 love in that room. And the love I think was 0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:06.720 probably uh, it was probably resonant because of the lyrical 0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:10.520 mirror ability, right everybody we all had that ability, and 0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:15.160 so everybody respected when another's paying game. And we all 0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:18.719 knew consciously and subconsciously that we were kind of like 0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:21.280 all up against the same machine. We weren't up against 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.680 each other. We were up against the same machine because 0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:25.920 we were trying to get something from the machine in 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:28.360 order to go feed our little huskies in our munchkins 0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:32.520 and you know, and branch out. And so that's what 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:34.840 I remember from that. Everything else is kind of like 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:39.080 a blur wow, because I don't think anybody could have 0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:41.880 for seeing how special of a moment that would have 0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:44.120 been in a few like you, like it's lived on 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.200 it's on YouTube, Like no one knew YouTube was gonna 0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:48.799 need You didn't know how that moment was gonna be. Yeah, 0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:51.439 but see twenty years down the line, right and right, 0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:55.120 you're right one percent. And also I feel like no 0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:57.799 one in the room was kind of thinking, you know, well, 0:51:57.840 --> 0:52:00.839 let's come back and do this twenty years later. Let's 0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:03.839 let's do this. Let's let's make it this ten year anniversary. 0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:05.919 Every ten years we come back to a round table. 0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:08.680 You know, tore just took took the percentage of the 0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:11.120 royalty and just ran off. You know, Toray didn't even 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:13.520 you know, Torey, I'm waiting on my call, man, Like, 0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:17.200 let's let's do round table part two. Let's he did 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:21.520 he monetize that? Man? Look? Man to see him on CNN, Man, 0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:24.040 I see him on CNN. Yeah, man, you know that 0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:26.880 came from somewhere right. You know, I'm just messing with 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:28.840 you to Ray like it's all love. Man, I'm just 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:32.400 saying to you that in general, though no one turned 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:34.960 it into Like what I'm trying to say is and 0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:41.880 wrap you know everything else. Man, they franchise everything rap. 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:45.920 You know, we do it late, and if we do it, 0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:50.279 we don't allocate the funds properly. It's just it's crazy. Man, 0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:53.799 we're the trendsetters. But that's not what sets us back. 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:57.680 What sets us back. It's how we like, how we 0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:02.719 allocate and how we you know, adjudicate. Yeah, I think that, 0:53:02.960 --> 0:53:05.520 like we said earlier, right, I think that finally there's 0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:09.200 a generation of I think the newest generation of artists 0:53:09.280 --> 0:53:12.360 is finally starting to become hip to that, right, you know, 0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:16.040 the fourth wall's kind of broken down. You know, there's 0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:20.800 a direct to consumer connection with fans now that never existed, right, true. 0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:24.399 So imagine if in nineteen ninety eight you had your 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:28.680 opportunity to talk to your fans directly, address them directly 0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:32.680 or say hey, swipe up on my story and by 0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:36.640 you know, the new fucking cannabacility or whatever, you know 0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:39.400 what I'm saying. Like, it's just I think now that 0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:41.200 the fourth walls kind of start to be broken down. 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:44.360 Like there are a lot of artists who are taking 0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:46.840 advantage of the things that they try to I guess 0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:51.040 maybe keep from the artists, you know, because yeah, yeah, okay, 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:53.759 so when I understand exactly what you're saying, and you know, 0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:57.520 I got a caveat to that. So so yeah, right, 0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:00.240 get your record uploaded to this site, and they're going to, 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:02.080 you know, go ahead and put this out depending on 0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:03.960 what package you buy and so forth and so on. Right, 0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:06.719 but then, but then, but then, you know, then you 0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:10.200 got guys like like eighty who you know, can give 0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:12.560 you can make sure that your records get uploaded to 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:15.040 these sites or whatever. But there are still hand to hand, 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:17.440 you know, I visited them. I went to the warehouses today. 0:54:17.600 --> 0:54:19.200 You know, I know I've seen I've seen that many 0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:22.440 posted like there's real physical copies. But that's how it 0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:25.160 has to be done. It can't just be you uploaded 0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:27.160 to a site. You gotta have a middle man that's 0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:29.840 gonna a Jedi that's gonna go out there and get 0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:32.840 these things for you. If you just uploaded to a site. 0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:35.239 I'm here to tell you because I get I get 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:39.400 the quarterly, the court, I get the quarterly. It's a 0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:41.600 it's a much it's a much higher or more steep 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:43.439 mountain to climb. To get your money on the street, 0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:46.680 and I'm gonna sewing you. I'm gonna give you the facts. 0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:50.080 I get the envelopes, the quarterly envelopes of the royalties, 0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:55.400 and you know, you know, zero point zero zero zero 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:58.279 one eight is what you get on a play, right, 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:01.720 so it's it's an eighth of a penny. So now 0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:06.520 you know, so you get to a million, two million plays? Right? 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:11.040 What is that? Like? Six thirty thirty eight bands? Right? 0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:15.960 That was fast? All this man's a savant. That was 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:18.719 freaking fast. I mean a million on Spotify is about 0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:22.080 I like to know, a million on was fast? A 0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:24.799 million on Spotify's about thirty eight hundred dollars, all right, 0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:27.080 So so I'm here to tell you, man, like a 0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:30.680 million on Spotify, that means that you're you're you are 0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:36.120 obscenely popular right now? Right? Not really popular? Yeah, thirty 0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:39.240 eight hundred bucks. Hold on, what does thirty eight hundred 0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:43.680 dollars do for someone who is that popular? Listen, bro 0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:45.480 all you can do is get into trouble with that. 0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:47.759 All you can do is go to the mall right, 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:51.920 blow it on next week's outfit, right, and be broke 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:54.359 or go or go or pay your rent for the month. 0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:56.400 That's all you can do. One month, that's all you 0:55:56.440 --> 0:56:00.239 can do. So now all that you know package just 0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:03.320 in the GHLFT stream flying here, and that you're putting 0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:06.879 yourself in harm's way just to catch up to what 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:10.239 you've already done. You've already sold a million plays. So 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:13.440 this is what I'm talking to you about. You know, 0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:16.040 let's not let's not let's let's let's call it what 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:19.759 it is here, man, this is already set up. You're 0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:23.720 already set up for failure. So you know, as opposed 0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:27.480 to focusing on the beefs and you know, all these 0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:30.960 things that can be worked out to disagreements to you know, 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:33.840 you know what I mean, musical styles. You know who's 0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:35.799 living on this side of the world and who's living 0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:38.200 here and there, like, As opposed to focus and all that, 0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:40.640 there's got to be some kind of a you know 0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:43.439 what I'm saying, regulatory body. And I'm talking about even 0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:45.799 off paper, like nothing that you gotta sign, but just 0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:49.320 some kind of a lodge, something that's put together. The 0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:51.880 brothers can come together I'm talking about from all walks 0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:56.680 of life and try to have strategies that protect us. Right, 0:56:57.040 --> 0:56:59.280 I'm not trying to do that, just for anybody listening 0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:01.520 and thinking, like with somebody I'm trying to get I'm 0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:03.000 not trying to do it. I'm the one to be 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:04.799 the one to do it. I wouldn't even take a job. 0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:06.840 And then if somebody came to be with something like that. 0:57:07.080 --> 0:57:11.440 But someone out there that's listening, that has the wherewithal 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:14.240 and the and the and the mental faculty to handle 0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:17.120 the pressure of that should take that on. You know, 0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:21.000 I'm going to nominate you because that math, that mathematic 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:24.240 maneuver that you just did right now was so fast, 0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:28.200 you know what I'm saying, So fast with so oppressed 0:57:28.200 --> 0:57:37.840 with that, bro, It's crazy. I mean, but ye, what 0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:40.960 year did you enlist in in in in the UH 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:43.840 with you on the army? Right? Yeah? One o one? 0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:46.920 So that was was that right after BC? It was 0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:50.760 so so two thousand. BC came out in two thousand. Yeah. Yeah, 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:54.200 so you know, kind of give it, give us like 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:57.720 a how was your experience? Man like, like like one 0:57:57.720 --> 0:58:01.360 and this is a September eleventh happens yes in the 0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:06.960 army years right after September eleventh, so pretty much you 0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:10.280 know that experience. I mean, what can I say, man 0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:12.520 like I at that time, I made a record. It 0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:16.520 was it was the See True How Stories. That was 0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:19.760 the album. The album was you know, it was satire. 0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:22.280 I've heard people say, yo, satire, it's true. It was. 0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:24.200 It was. It was just done to kind of like, 0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:30.320 uh like allegorically like make an album that was, uh, 0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:33.600 you know, just get under the skin, you know what 0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:36.439 I mean of folks that was saying that, Yo, man, 0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:38.120 I need the records to be harder. I want you 0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:40.280 to spit harder, the beat, the lyrics, you know, I 0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:42.480 want more. And then and then I gave them less 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:45.720 right by making a record like that. And the record 0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:49.800 was was strictly just something that it wasn't serious, but 0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:52.280 it was like something that it was. It was it 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:54.880 was still palatable, something that was tangible. You could have 0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:56.480 went out and got the artwork. You look at it, 0:58:56.600 --> 0:58:59.080 open the fold out. You know, who's this guy wearing 0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:01.560 that shirt? Why is he writing that? And then you know, 0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.720 we paid twenty five bands for the Source ad, you know, 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:07.560 to run that ad. Graz the Source and you know what, 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:10.920 the Source was scared to run the ad because of 0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:14.640 the relationships that they were saying could have been ruined. Right, 0:59:15.320 --> 0:59:17.720 and they did it for the money, of course they did. 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:19.640 You know, they're just what I'm trying to say. So 0:59:19.720 --> 0:59:22.479 and then after that they turn around and black balled 0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:25.400 me further, you know what I mean, and took money, 0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:27.960 you know what I mean to like black ball me right, 0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:30.880 So you know you're talking about that record was made 0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:33.240 like at the way I felt at that juncture, it 0:59:33.280 --> 0:59:35.920 was like, you know what, rapping it. You know what, 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:38.000 I'm still young enough to go out and make a 0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:41.280 difference and something else, yes, right, and and pretty much 0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:44.240 like be a guide you in a way, you know, 0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:47.120 try to do something good. Right. But then of course, 0:59:47.320 --> 0:59:49.760 you know, you make records and you know, you do 0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:53.240 a record like and you do record like draft Me, 0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:55.320 and you say a lot of crazy stuff on the record, 0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:57.760 and then you know, you grow, you get older, you 0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:01.400 see things. You know other people see that you. You know, 1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:03.880 you become privy certain things, and you're like, man, wow, 1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:05.840 it's like, you know, everywhere you turn, you're trying to 1:00:05.880 --> 1:00:08.280 make a difference, trying to make a change, and uh, 1:00:09.040 --> 1:00:11.680 you kind of find yourself like adding on to some 1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:14.560 of the things that have made the world more disconnected. 1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:17.440 Right because before and after pictures tell you a lot 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:21.920 about you know, what what what? How good something was 1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:25.520 right before and after pictures? Right? Yep, So that's all 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:27.400 really you got to do. Man, that's my answer to 1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:29.840 how many how many years were you in the service? 1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:31.760 I mean, you know, got in and O four is 1:00:31.760 --> 1:00:34.240 supposed to be two, right, We got in O four, 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:36.800 got in No. One and got out in No. Four 1:00:37.640 --> 1:00:41.000 and then you had did you you went overseas? No, 1:00:41.160 --> 1:00:43.080 that's not you didn't. You didn't end up going over 1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:47.080 I didn't do that. Yeah, it's just an interesting experience, 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:49.520 you know, because it's like I remember seeing that in 1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:53.280 whatever magazine, like, oh shit, cannabis is in there. I mean, 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:55.520 you know, I mean I did. I did right doctrine 1:00:55.520 --> 1:00:59.080 for the Strikers bro like the first brigade to have them. 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:02.960 You know. I always was like a getaway driver kind 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:06.640 of guy. And even though I was a scout nineteen Delta, 1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:10.439 you know, I got was I was on the three 1:01:10.440 --> 1:01:14.040 truck man Striker Brigade road doctor and help write doctor 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:18.240 for those vehicles. They perform and they definitely use me 1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:22.000 to test them, test the performance. That's big. Yeah. No, 1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:26.480 do you think that at that point in time mentally 1:01:27.560 --> 1:01:30.440 you were just this rap shit is enough because I 1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:34.000 feel like the you know, the industry wasn't good to you. 1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:36.000 You know what I'm saying after that first outshiate you 1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:38.600 even like, you know what I mean, just just saying that, man, 1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:41.080 You know, I appreciate you, even just saying that, man, 1:01:41.120 --> 1:01:43.640 Like I'm not looking at yo. Listen, man, I'm not 1:01:43.680 --> 1:01:47.640 a bleeding heart myself, so I don't really you know listen, man, 1:01:47.680 --> 1:01:51.040 people have been dealt worse hands, right, true. But the 1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:53.720 thing is just when you just look at the potential 1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:57.800 of certain things, right, some people, it's gonna sting them 1:01:57.840 --> 1:02:03.520 harder because of what they were, you know what they 1:02:03.600 --> 1:02:08.840 were innocently trying to you know, trying to increase or 1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:12.040 help or assist that it's going to sting those folks 1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:15.600 harder because it's like you come into something bright eye Bush. 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:20.640 You telled, you know, nobody's innocent when they're one hundred 1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:23.880 years old, right, But when you're twenty, you know, you're 1:02:23.920 --> 1:02:26.920 innocent of a lot of the things that you wouldn't 1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:30.320 be at forty or fifty, right, right, So at that age, man, 1:02:31.000 --> 1:02:33.560 come on, man, I was innocent, like in terms of 1:02:33.600 --> 1:02:35.360 like what I was trying to bring to the game 1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:39.840 with music, you know, and yeah, I mean I can't 1:02:39.840 --> 1:02:41.720 say it though, I can't say that the industry wasn't 1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:44.080 good to me when you say it, you know, I 1:02:44.200 --> 1:02:48.240 just say, hey man, and I applaud. I just remember specifically, obviously, 1:02:48.400 --> 1:02:50.520 at a certain point in time, it felt like you 1:02:50.560 --> 1:02:54.400 were like the industry's next guy. Everyone was behind you. 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:56.120 I mean I remember seeing you had you had your 1:02:56.320 --> 1:03:00.400 source cover. You were you were very much uh you know, 1:03:01.880 --> 1:03:04.520 I remember like the na's main source moment, you know 1:03:04.560 --> 1:03:07.240 what I mean, Like it almost felt like that was 1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:09.320 like the closest thing where it was like yo, live 1:03:09.320 --> 1:03:11.400 at the bar because it's a kid no, And then 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:14.240 you were kind of like the ninety six ninety seven 1:03:14.360 --> 1:03:18.320 version of that, right, and the first album comes out, 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:21.240 it's I you know, I thought there was some shit 1:03:21.320 --> 1:03:25.280 on there, like and word nometry and get retarded. I mean, 1:03:25.600 --> 1:03:27.480 you know, there's some fucking amazing records on there. But 1:03:27.520 --> 1:03:32.040 for whatever reason, it felt like you nowadays, people get 1:03:32.080 --> 1:03:34.200 more than one go. I feel like people kind of 1:03:34.240 --> 1:03:38.000 that album came and went, and like maybe the Beef 1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:41.560 was like a even though you want it might have 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:43.600 been a bigger curse than a you know, it was 1:03:43.600 --> 1:03:45.080 a kind of a gift in a curse. A man, 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:48.640 it's possible, Like I really, I really will tell you that. 1:03:49.320 --> 1:03:53.320 You know, what what I was up against, I really 1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:56.400 didn't know at that time, right, And then by the 1:03:56.480 --> 1:03:59.000 time I figured it out what I was up against 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:04.479 everyone of the abandoned ship, I was pretty much by myself, right, 1:04:06.040 --> 1:04:12.400 and it was something that I realized what it was 1:04:12.520 --> 1:04:14.800 or what I thought. It was definitely a heavier pill 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:19.160 to swallow than you know, didn't then being something simple 1:04:19.160 --> 1:04:21.440 to mitigate, something to figure out and get out of. 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:23.960 But I was in the middle of it, so I 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:27.080 couldn't quit. I couldn't lay down and I couldn't just 1:04:27.080 --> 1:04:30.000 sit there and wait for you know that that that 1:04:30.080 --> 1:04:33.440 grindstone that grinds everything to dust, you know what I mean. 1:04:33.480 --> 1:04:35.680 So I had to keep it pushing, and that's what 1:04:35.720 --> 1:04:39.880 I did, and that I'll give you know, I give 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:43.160 all all all praise to the creator for me still 1:04:43.240 --> 1:04:47.040 being here now, because there were dark times there, things 1:04:47.040 --> 1:04:51.040 that went through and and you know, right now though 1:04:51.560 --> 1:04:53.400 even though you know we talk about your other industry 1:04:53.440 --> 1:04:57.520 this that and yeah, but you know what, though, like 1:04:57.560 --> 1:05:00.480 the Kaiju released this Kaiju record, a record man like 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:02.560 you got militone of magic, you got like for whom 1:05:02.560 --> 1:05:05.240 to be told you have all lyrical law, you had 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:07.840 ripped the jacker like there were records they mic clued 1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:09.880 the curriculum. There were a lot of records that came 1:05:09.920 --> 1:05:12.680 out in Time Flies. There were records that came out 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:17.479 after that that I'd say the brotherhood, like the fan base, 1:05:17.560 --> 1:05:21.240 the listeners, the rippers, like people that they don't care 1:05:21.280 --> 1:05:23.880 what the game talking about, what the industry talking about. 1:05:23.880 --> 1:05:26.400 They want to hear what Candles got to say. They 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:29.600 came through in the clutch, right, and they stepped up 1:05:29.640 --> 1:05:32.400 to the plate in such a way where I mean, 1:05:32.920 --> 1:05:36.520 if that's all that there is, or that's all that 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:38.440 you can walk away from with it, I gotta tell 1:05:38.480 --> 1:05:41.880 you that I'm more than blessed to have that, or 1:05:41.920 --> 1:05:45.960 to have secured it through that same innocence older than now. 1:05:46.080 --> 1:05:49.960 I'm not perfect, right, but some of that innocence is 1:05:50.000 --> 1:05:54.360 still there. And this brotherhood that I'm talking about, they 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:56.919 have reflected that innocence and I see it. And when 1:05:57.000 --> 1:05:59.800 they come to support they knowed it was a lot. 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:02.880 Don't know exactly what I was burying on my shoulders. 1:06:02.920 --> 1:06:04.920 But they know it was a lot and now they 1:06:05.000 --> 1:06:06.920 kind of like they stepped to the plate. I mean, 1:06:06.960 --> 1:06:09.760 these people they're older now. Like all the rippers that 1:06:09.840 --> 1:06:13.160 were following me back in the nineties, they all got 1:06:13.280 --> 1:06:15.760 kids now, man, mostly all of them. They're all grown. 1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:18.360 They all got you know what I mean, they all 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:20.640 made it to one of them. You know, I feel 1:06:20.680 --> 1:06:22.480 you I first I was eleven years old when your 1:06:22.480 --> 1:06:25.240 album came, you know what I'm saying, And and and 1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:27.440 you know this pandemic for the last two years. Man, 1:06:27.520 --> 1:06:31.840 like they're still out here getting it popping right, like subsisting, 1:06:32.240 --> 1:06:36.200 you know, like striving right, and then for them to 1:06:36.400 --> 1:06:38.120 set aside, like you know what, I'm gonna get that 1:06:38.160 --> 1:06:40.400 new album whatever, and then to be able to make 1:06:40.440 --> 1:06:43.520 it number two. Of course, all the platforms. It's independent. Man. 1:06:43.560 --> 1:06:45.720 We just went to the warehouse we picked and people 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:49.800 are buying the physical copies. Yeah. So so so I 1:06:49.840 --> 1:06:51.680 want to I want to. I want to. I want 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:54.880 to take take a snapshot of that and highlight that, 1:06:54.960 --> 1:06:58.200 because that is the moment where I can like like 1:06:58.320 --> 1:07:01.880 look on what happened, you know, with with more of 1:07:02.000 --> 1:07:05.400 like a you know what I mean. If if if 1:07:05.680 --> 1:07:08.280 it wasn't real and it was all fake, then that 1:07:08.360 --> 1:07:11.080 means the rippers now that I got wouldn't have existed. 1:07:11.400 --> 1:07:15.760 But they're here now. They're here because obviously Angels Man, Yeah, 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:18.160 I do think like you know, I think back to 1:07:18.280 --> 1:07:21.160 like grateful for that is what I'm saying. And if 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:24.920 you really think about like I do, think, like the 1:07:24.920 --> 1:07:29.600 big misconception is like your first album wasn't fire, right. 1:07:30.560 --> 1:07:33.440 I always thought it was great, right, And obviously, like 1:07:33.480 --> 1:07:36.600 you said, you look at how many years later there's 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:39.800 still people who are putting money in your pocket for 1:07:39.880 --> 1:07:42.080 a new album. So it obviously cut through to a 1:07:42.160 --> 1:07:44.600 certain extent. But like I mean, maybe it just wasn't 1:07:44.640 --> 1:07:47.920 the industry success that people would hoped to be. I 1:07:47.920 --> 1:07:50.360 did one hundred and fifty thousand units for a week. Big, 1:07:50.360 --> 1:07:51.880 You know what I'm saying that most people would that 1:07:51.960 --> 1:07:54.120 keeps the lights on. Most people would chop their arm 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:56.200 off you they keep do that. That's just the first week, 1:07:56.240 --> 1:07:57.720 you know what I'm saying. The first week it was 1:07:57.840 --> 1:07:59.600 number two on the billboard, like it was, it was 1:08:00.280 --> 1:08:03.440 Lauren and you know, right behind his number two on 1:08:03.560 --> 1:08:06.320 Laurn Hell, Laura Hill was number one, right sound scan 1:08:06.480 --> 1:08:10.640 that week. So who can be Laura? Nobody? Right? So, yeah, 1:08:10.720 --> 1:08:13.160 you know what I mean? So, and I remember, you know, 1:08:13.160 --> 1:08:15.840 I remember being told like, yo, it's a failure, you 1:08:15.880 --> 1:08:18.800 know why somebody at the label, right, and then and 1:08:18.800 --> 1:08:21.600 then I remember that person's equal on the other on 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:23.720 the other wing of the building came and said, what 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:25.880 are you talking about? Like number two? This is your 1:08:26.000 --> 1:08:29.320 first release. You'll never be able to get it, get 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:32.040 another first release again. You'll have other releases, but you'll 1:08:32.080 --> 1:08:33.680 never be able no matter what you do, you'll never 1:08:33.760 --> 1:08:36.160 be able to have a first release again. Enjoy it 1:08:36.200 --> 1:08:39.800 for what it is, right, You're a champion, you know, 1:08:40.320 --> 1:08:43.280 you know, you know, enjoy it. Don't be sad, right 1:08:43.320 --> 1:08:46.040 because I was torn when when when the other one 1:08:46.080 --> 1:08:48.840 came to me and said, it's a failure to such 1:08:49.120 --> 1:08:50.840 you know what I mean. So, but but this and 1:08:50.880 --> 1:08:54.120 I was young man, like you gotta understand like psychological 1:08:54.800 --> 1:08:57.840 you know, games and abuse on that level, you know 1:08:57.880 --> 1:08:59.559 what I mean, In a in a in a game 1:08:59.600 --> 1:09:04.160 that was already like you know, everything's big, right, like Neil, 1:09:04.439 --> 1:09:06.880 these these owners and all that, they had everything you 1:09:06.920 --> 1:09:10.280 could ever think of, right, and we had me walking 1:09:10.320 --> 1:09:13.080 in you have nothing. You know, you just want something. 1:09:13.120 --> 1:09:14.720 You don't even want what they got. Like when I 1:09:14.760 --> 1:09:17.559 say innocent, I mean innocent. Like you know a lot 1:09:17.600 --> 1:09:19.200 of the guys I remember from my area, we weren't 1:09:19.240 --> 1:09:21.760 looking to have everything that they had. We were just 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:26.080 looking to have something right and to see that that 1:09:26.080 --> 1:09:28.639 that kind of that that agreement was made that Okay, 1:09:28.680 --> 1:09:31.160 if you do this, this and this, you'll have this 1:09:31.200 --> 1:09:33.240 and this and this, or you just have this and this, 1:09:33.640 --> 1:09:36.360 or you just have this right And if you open 1:09:36.439 --> 1:09:38.519 the door she was behind doing number one and knew 1:09:39.160 --> 1:09:41.800 you'd have been like, look, man, let me just break 1:09:41.800 --> 1:09:44.360 out right now, go to vocational school. Let me just 1:09:44.360 --> 1:09:47.719 get this out the way right now, you know. So, yeah, 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:49.680 I want to I want to highlight that, man, like 1:09:50.080 --> 1:09:53.680 you know, you gotta you gotta, you gotta definitely you 1:09:53.680 --> 1:09:56.720 gotta grow with your your fan base and you know 1:09:56.720 --> 1:09:59.960 what I mean, And and sometimes they're growing with you, 1:10:00.160 --> 1:10:04.280 but when when the tables turn, you gotta grow with them. Yeah, 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:09.519 give me a backstory on how Mike Tyson ended up 1:10:09.560 --> 1:10:12.000 on second round knockot oh man, you know what I'm saying, Like, 1:10:12.040 --> 1:10:15.720 if you want to talk about Sucramar knockout again, then 1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:17.680 we can easily focus on I don't want to talk 1:10:17.680 --> 1:10:18.920 about the beef. I just want to talk about the 1:10:19.240 --> 1:10:21.519 second round knockout. How did Mike Tyson end up on 1:10:21.560 --> 1:10:23.640 the second round knockout? No? No, I mean listen, this 1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:26.240 is Mike second round knock out one more time. I 1:10:26.320 --> 1:10:30.679 just want second round knock ye how did Mike Tyson people? Yeah, 1:10:30.720 --> 1:10:32.600 this is what y'all want, right, So, you know, I 1:10:32.600 --> 1:10:34.160 don't even want to talk about the beef. I just 1:10:34.200 --> 1:10:37.760 want to know Mike Tyson getting on that record, How 1:10:37.760 --> 1:10:40.880 did that happen? I'm story. I'm gonna tell you. I'm 1:10:40.880 --> 1:10:42.720 gonna tell you first. I want you to tell me 1:10:43.479 --> 1:10:45.439 when's the last person you heard somebody ask Mike Tyson 1:10:45.479 --> 1:10:49.599 about cannabis. I don't know. I would, though, no, but 1:10:49.720 --> 1:10:52.479 nobody has. I'm gonna tell you why she punching in 1:10:52.479 --> 1:10:56.920 your neck? You know I would ask him? Yeah? Sure, 1:10:57.040 --> 1:11:00.559 I would. Sure. I just don't think people are talking 1:11:00.560 --> 1:11:03.479 to Mike. You know, they don't want to do that, right. 1:11:03.520 --> 1:11:08.120 But the whole thing is this, At the time, there 1:11:08.120 --> 1:11:10.360 were friends of mine, you know, shout out to like 1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:12.080 you know, I don't even want to say his name. 1:11:12.120 --> 1:11:14.120 Because I say his names, like him throwing his name 1:11:14.200 --> 1:11:16.479 and and something that had so much drama about it. 1:11:16.520 --> 1:11:18.320 But there was a there was a friend of mine 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:22.120 where was working closely with both business wise and just 1:11:22.200 --> 1:11:25.120 like you know, we we put projects out together, right, 1:11:25.560 --> 1:11:29.320 and you know, he was able to get in contact 1:11:29.640 --> 1:11:32.960 with you know, another close friend of Mike's, uh female, 1:11:33.880 --> 1:11:36.200 you know, and then she had a son, and that son, 1:11:36.240 --> 1:11:37.360 you know, I don't want to say, I don't want 1:11:37.360 --> 1:11:39.240 to say people's names, throw it out there because these 1:11:39.280 --> 1:11:41.559 people don't want to hear about this ship, you do, 1:11:41.600 --> 1:11:43.599 you see what I'm trying to say. So I would say, 1:11:44.000 --> 1:11:46.960 you know, they they wanted to uh, they wanted to 1:11:47.000 --> 1:11:51.360 work with me, so they took it to Mike and 1:11:51.400 --> 1:11:54.080 when the when the son, you know Mike's you know, 1:11:54.120 --> 1:11:58.040 Mike's sister, her son, so his nephew heard the record 1:11:58.040 --> 1:11:59.519 and her her name and it was me. He was like, 1:11:59.560 --> 1:12:01.880 oh man, you gotta listen to what else he's doing, 1:12:01.960 --> 1:12:03.559 and he would throw that up and Mike was like, 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:05.920 oh man, that sit hard, all right? Yeah, So it 1:12:05.960 --> 1:12:09.000 happened just like that. There was no there was no 1:12:09.160 --> 1:12:12.160 animosity in it. It was a record that was made 1:12:12.360 --> 1:12:15.759 like more out of like Okay, okay, this hip hop's 1:12:15.760 --> 1:12:19.479 getting interested now you understand what I mean. And there 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:21.880 was innocence to it, is what I'm saying. But just 1:12:21.920 --> 1:12:26.120 because it was like an airstrike of sorts, it felt 1:12:26.200 --> 1:12:29.240 and it was to the big Empire, you know what 1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:32.760 I'm saying. That basically ran rap. It turned into something 1:12:32.800 --> 1:12:34.759 where it's like, man, you just woke up the great 1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:37.479 dinosaur man, like you know, the t Rex Man, and 1:12:38.600 --> 1:12:42.120 it turned into something else. But Mike was just Mike 1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:44.559 was with it just because it sounded dope. It was dope, 1:12:44.760 --> 1:12:46.240 you know what I'm saying. Were you in the studio 1:12:46.240 --> 1:12:48.920 with him when he laid his absolutely you know what 1:12:48.960 --> 1:12:51.000 I mean? What was that like? Because I think off 1:12:51.080 --> 1:12:54.120 like the equivalent would be like if Lebron James jumped 1:12:54.120 --> 1:12:56.000 on someone of the diss record in twenty twenty one, 1:12:56.160 --> 1:13:00.360 because Mike Tyson in ninety eight is i mean roarguably 1:13:00.439 --> 1:13:02.640 the most famous athlete him and Jordan, you know what 1:13:02.680 --> 1:13:04.599 I mean. I was witness to it. So what was that? 1:13:04.760 --> 1:13:06.960 What was that like being in the studio with Mike Tyson? Okay, 1:13:06.960 --> 1:13:09.080 so so so to add clarity to it and be 1:13:09.120 --> 1:13:12.240 fully transparent he didn't come to the studio first and 1:13:12.280 --> 1:13:14.280 do the record. I was in the studio with him 1:13:14.320 --> 1:13:16.800 several times, but he didn't do this the record in 1:13:16.840 --> 1:13:19.879 the studio. That was done on a on a dat recorder, 1:13:20.479 --> 1:13:22.280 you know at the time, that type of dat recorder, 1:13:22.280 --> 1:13:24.479 that piece of qums like two bands man twenty five 1:13:24.560 --> 1:13:27.000 hundred and it was. He did it's part in the 1:13:27.040 --> 1:13:29.840 comfort of his own home. We were in Vegas and 1:13:29.880 --> 1:13:32.520 his home next next door was the Sultan of BRUNEI. 1:13:33.000 --> 1:13:35.519 You know, funny story about that. Mike took me over there. 1:13:35.680 --> 1:13:37.639 You know, I got to see the Sultan Bruni's home 1:13:37.680 --> 1:13:40.639 and all that. You know, yeah, you know, horse track 1:13:40.760 --> 1:13:43.400 on the grounds, you know, pretty much went around the 1:13:43.400 --> 1:13:49.439 whole grounds. Laser being security at the time, satellite laser 1:13:50.040 --> 1:13:53.519 security at the time, like just crazy, right, And Tyson 1:13:54.040 --> 1:13:56.439 did the drops like in the comfort of his own home, 1:13:57.200 --> 1:14:00.640 and we you know he did he said, no one 1:14:00.640 --> 1:14:04.000 told him what to say. He that's what he said. Yeah, 1:14:04.360 --> 1:14:07.559 and then took that and you know, chopped it up. 1:14:08.080 --> 1:14:09.920 And you know when the part in the beginning, when 1:14:10.520 --> 1:14:12.920 when the door is there and I go to the monastery. 1:14:13.040 --> 1:14:14.519 You know, if you look at it, man, it was 1:14:14.920 --> 1:14:18.920 so I really like slide Stallong, you understand what I mean, 1:14:19.000 --> 1:14:24.880 And I built I wrote the treatment for that song 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:28.880 like out of like a rocky kind of the rocky vibe, 1:14:28.920 --> 1:14:31.320 the vibe from all the rockies with or even like 1:14:31.320 --> 1:14:33.479 the clean East with vibes where you know, somebody shows 1:14:33.560 --> 1:14:37.240 up to the town, they wipe your family out, they 1:14:37.240 --> 1:14:40.679 take everything from you. You know, they break they break 1:14:40.720 --> 1:14:42.920 your strong hand. You know, you gotta come back and 1:14:43.000 --> 1:14:44.880 learn how to shoot with the other one. You know 1:14:44.920 --> 1:14:46.519 what I mean. You gotta you know, you gotta make 1:14:46.560 --> 1:14:49.439 a complete comeback and then you ride back into that town. Right. 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:53.400 That was That was what the second round knockout record was. 1:14:53.479 --> 1:14:56.040 It wasn't a first assault. It wasn't you know what 1:14:56.080 --> 1:14:59.040 I'm saying. It wasn't an air strike. It in the 1:14:59.040 --> 1:15:01.559 middle of the night. It was a response to something. 1:15:01.840 --> 1:15:04.120 Of course, that's all. I think people forget that too. 1:15:04.320 --> 1:15:06.280 It was a response. You get where I'm coming from, 1:15:06.680 --> 1:15:08.720 and no response. And but but you know what, though, 1:15:08.840 --> 1:15:12.000 we cleaned all that up. We cleaned it all up. 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:16.120 And I couldn't have made the cleanup any bigger. If 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:18.160 I could have, I would have. But I couldn't have 1:15:18.200 --> 1:15:21.559 made the cleanup any bigger, that's up to other you know, 1:15:22.080 --> 1:15:25.840 other hands, right, other steady hands. Right. So you know, 1:15:25.880 --> 1:15:28.120 here we are again. Man, we're talking about something that 1:15:28.760 --> 1:15:31.559 was cleaned up, but the cleanup wasn't as big as 1:15:31.640 --> 1:15:35.240 the is the mess, right, So the mess is still there. 1:15:35.479 --> 1:15:37.360 That's why you're asking me about Well, I'm asking about 1:15:37.360 --> 1:15:39.680 Mike Tyson. It's the same ship. No, I think. I 1:15:39.760 --> 1:15:41.439 just I just think like to be able to to 1:15:41.920 --> 1:15:46.160 to have experiences with nineteen ninety eight Mike Tyson. Yeah, 1:15:46.200 --> 1:15:48.760 it's so crazy, Oh, Mike, Mike in ninety eight Mike. 1:15:49.200 --> 1:15:51.559 Mike was firm for it though, right, he was firm 1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:57.120 because he I think that I think that he I 1:15:57.200 --> 1:15:59.080 mean when I went to his home in Vage, Man, 1:15:59.120 --> 1:16:01.680 there was so many books on that bookcase, man, and 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:04.080 he's read every one of them. And I think people 1:16:04.160 --> 1:16:06.639 now know this, right, But at the time, I don't 1:16:06.640 --> 1:16:10.000 think anyone could have been imagined that he was that studious. Right, 1:16:10.360 --> 1:16:12.360 But when you look back on it, it makes sense. 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:16.120 It makes sense. He was real strategic. But you know, 1:16:16.200 --> 1:16:18.559 let's think about it, man, During that time in ninety eight, 1:16:18.640 --> 1:16:22.280 he had already gone through some of the real madness 1:16:22.479 --> 1:16:23.960 you know what I mean, in his life and he 1:16:24.040 --> 1:16:25.800 turned all that around, you know what I mean? And 1:16:25.840 --> 1:16:29.360 now people don't even really talk about that madness no more. 1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:31.800 They let him live, I know, but I'm saying they 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:35.240 let him live, but me, I'm still here. I can't live. 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:37.680 Y'all still want to talk about the madness, and I 1:16:37.760 --> 1:16:41.000 just don't understand, Like, what the fuck is it? Man? 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:42.880 I mean, it's just hip hop history. Man, it was 1:16:42.920 --> 1:16:46.880 his hip hop history. But yuah, but everybody has heard 1:16:46.920 --> 1:16:51.000 it already. They just haven't had me sit in front 1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:52.920 of him and say it to him, but they've heard 1:16:52.960 --> 1:16:56.920 it already. I'm confused, man, I'm so disappointed man. Now, 1:16:57.040 --> 1:16:58.840 I mean I think that you know, for me, it's 1:16:58.920 --> 1:17:00.600 just more of the angle of life. So let me 1:17:00.640 --> 1:17:03.519 ask you this. Like I said, it's like if Lebron 1:17:03.640 --> 1:17:05.840 James was on a record, I would want to know 1:17:05.880 --> 1:17:08.720 how did how did Lebron? You know? You know that's 1:17:08.760 --> 1:17:10.240 I'm not I'm not agree with you, man, I'm not 1:17:10.280 --> 1:17:12.040 even kicking the tires. I'm not on you. You know 1:17:12.080 --> 1:17:14.599 what I'm saying. I'm not on you. I'm just I'm 1:17:14.680 --> 1:17:17.920 just I'm just I'm just I just kind of like, 1:17:18.120 --> 1:17:20.040 I get it, yo, I want to figure it out. 1:17:20.479 --> 1:17:22.840 I didn't want to figure it out before you start 1:17:22.880 --> 1:17:25.160 talking about it to this this, but I do want 1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:28.599 that you start talking about it like this. I'm really 1:17:28.640 --> 1:17:30.680 it's like a It's like a Ruby's cube. It's a 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:33.559 puzzle that I don't know how it can be solved 1:17:33.560 --> 1:17:36.200 where it's like, I mean, you know what I mean? 1:17:36.320 --> 1:17:39.519 Can the nigga just live? But but let me ask 1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:42.160 you this. Though you heard the album to Cadu, I 1:17:42.160 --> 1:17:45.400 haven't listened to it yet. Yeah, I heard, I heard. 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:47.880 Uh I think I did. I did check out one record. 1:17:47.920 --> 1:17:49.280 I think what was the what was one of the 1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:51.400 what was the first record that came out? Man? That's 1:17:51.920 --> 1:17:54.120 you ain't give a ship about cannabis. Man, that's not true. 1:17:54.520 --> 1:17:56.439 You listened to record. I just got off of a 1:17:56.560 --> 1:17:59.439 ten day vacation with my wife for our anniversary. I 1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:02.040 just got Sunday from Pooth, I got records. You could 1:18:02.040 --> 1:18:04.000 have played the Punt, the Conna and to Loom and 1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:06.439 probably wouldn't wanted to go to I was sitting on 1:18:06.479 --> 1:18:09.000 the beach with the wife for our anniversary. I just 1:18:09.040 --> 1:18:12.519 got back Monday night. I feel you so No, I 1:18:12.560 --> 1:18:14.320 mean listen. It's not that I don't want to listen 1:18:14.360 --> 1:18:16.280 to what I am going to. I just literally, you know, 1:18:16.320 --> 1:18:18.760 I haven't gotten around to it. So it's records on there. 1:18:18.880 --> 1:18:23.599 There's records on Kaiju that some dope features. Yeah, yeah, 1:18:23.640 --> 1:18:27.320 I got I got a DMX, just as ad libs. 1:18:27.400 --> 1:18:29.240 You know, for those out there think I'm trying to 1:18:29.280 --> 1:18:31.439 I'm not trying to tell people to go grab it 1:18:31.479 --> 1:18:33.400 because X is on there. But that was my way 1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:36.280 of paying homage to them and my relationship with them 1:18:36.560 --> 1:18:38.280 and my connection to them, you know what I mean, 1:18:38.320 --> 1:18:42.400 because I never had any way of making that possible 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:46.240 without without those ad libs, right, right, And you know 1:18:46.280 --> 1:18:49.439 I think, thank uh, thank you, you know what I'm saying, like, 1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:53.920 and are extraordinary for that right, making those connections. But 1:18:54.120 --> 1:18:58.320 uh yeah, you know, there are records on Kaiju that 1:18:58.960 --> 1:19:02.240 I would say, are you know, vastly more important than 1:19:02.840 --> 1:19:05.559 anything that happened in ninety eight, But you know, into 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:08.240 years you will know. But then for those out there 1:19:08.280 --> 1:19:10.880 who have heard it, they could probably agree. They could 1:19:10.880 --> 1:19:13.120 come on and point out to you maybe five, six 1:19:13.240 --> 1:19:16.760 or seven things inside of records that's the vastly more 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:19.839 important hapened in ninety eight. Do you feel like with Kaiju, 1:19:19.880 --> 1:19:22.479 because what I'm noticing is like with the Horsemen release 1:19:22.520 --> 1:19:28.160 and the and Kaiju, like you're it feels like you're 1:19:28.200 --> 1:19:30.559 really taking advantage of the fact that, you know what, 1:19:30.720 --> 1:19:35.280 you do, have a core fan base that will break 1:19:35.320 --> 1:19:38.960 bread with whatever Cannabis does. And I think that sometimes 1:19:39.520 --> 1:19:42.240 people forget that right, like, you know, like when you 1:19:42.280 --> 1:19:43.920 put it out like you said earlier, right like, you're 1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:46.479 not just going straight to streaming platforms. You're pressing up records, 1:19:46.479 --> 1:19:52.639 You're you know, you have You're you're essentially giving something 1:19:52.880 --> 1:19:55.439 tangible to fans still when that's not a thing. And 1:19:55.479 --> 1:19:57.479 I think that, you know, shout out to the Griselda 1:19:57.479 --> 1:19:59.000 guys have done a good job of doing that in 1:19:59.160 --> 1:20:01.519 the last few years. I feel like it was dope 1:20:01.520 --> 1:20:03.839 to see, you know, with the last couple of releases, 1:20:03.920 --> 1:20:06.000 that was kind of something on the forefront of like 1:20:06.080 --> 1:20:10.240 the business model of what the Kaiju record is. It's like, hey, look, man, 1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:13.880 I'm still here, and let's make sure that not only 1:20:13.920 --> 1:20:16.519 can you go stream it, but you can also hold 1:20:16.560 --> 1:20:19.519 it well. To be honest, to be absolutely honest, because 1:20:19.640 --> 1:20:24.000 it's all grassroots, there's really no promo money going and 1:20:24.040 --> 1:20:27.160 there's nobody offering up any assistance with that. You know, 1:20:27.200 --> 1:20:29.800 it's just this team, small team too. You can count 1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:32.639 them on. You can count them on one hand, and 1:20:32.720 --> 1:20:34.880 if need be, you can count them on two hands. 1:20:34.880 --> 1:20:37.600 But that's it. And I got to tell you that 1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:42.120 we're not always absolutely sure that you know, there's going 1:20:42.160 --> 1:20:44.080 to be any support for records. I mean, if you 1:20:44.160 --> 1:20:48.040 go on Google right now, you type in cannabis kuiju, 1:20:48.880 --> 1:20:51.200 it's not going to just come up. Bro. The site 1:20:51.200 --> 1:20:54.280 that was built to support the record will come up, 1:20:54.360 --> 1:20:56.720 but it's not coming up nowhere else. You understand what 1:20:56.720 --> 1:21:00.559 I'm trying to say. So let's not take the narrative 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:02.559 and throw it somewhere else act like oh yeah, Ken's 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:04.400 got to solid fan base and all that. Like, No, 1:21:04.960 --> 1:21:07.200 I got folks that, you know, by the grace of 1:21:07.200 --> 1:21:11.240 the creator right are able to you know, you know, 1:21:11.479 --> 1:21:14.360 stand on their own and their own lives. And they 1:21:14.479 --> 1:21:17.280 just happening. You know, a little birdie says, hey man, bitch, 1:21:17.320 --> 1:21:20.280 just drop the album. And then they say to themselves, 1:21:20.760 --> 1:21:23.559 you know what I'm kind of going through right now, 1:21:23.800 --> 1:21:26.280 let me see what BIS going through. Because I always 1:21:26.320 --> 1:21:27.960 listen to bits when I want to go work out, 1:21:27.960 --> 1:21:29.640 when I want to get motivated, when I want to 1:21:29.640 --> 1:21:32.200 get inspired to like go out here and deal with 1:21:32.320 --> 1:21:34.639 life and try to you know what I mean, try 1:21:34.640 --> 1:21:36.920 to win, try to get a victory out of you know, 1:21:37.000 --> 1:21:40.040 something that's really really, you know, hampering me right now. 1:21:40.479 --> 1:21:43.320 That's that's where I think it comes from. It's just 1:21:43.400 --> 1:21:45.719 people saying, let me get this a shot to listen 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:47.880 to it. So the pressure is still on me to 1:21:48.400 --> 1:21:51.559 make a record that's going to give them that extra Yo, 1:21:51.720 --> 1:21:53.840 let me do two more sets, you know what I mean, 1:21:53.960 --> 1:21:55.479 let me do you know what I mean. So that's 1:21:55.520 --> 1:21:58.920 what it is. We're never like, we're never going into 1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:02.920 it thinking it we're gonna certainly get this amount or 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:04.880 do this amount, because at the end of the day, 1:22:05.000 --> 1:22:07.360 if you see the numbers or whatever, they're still small. Bro. 1:22:08.200 --> 1:22:12.040 It's it's it's nothing compared to you know, like you know, 1:22:12.120 --> 1:22:16.240 a shout out from a megamogul that you know, that's 1:22:16.280 --> 1:22:18.559 that's out here, that's still with everything. I mean, I 1:22:18.560 --> 1:22:22.720 would say, what you can do is what a lot 1:22:22.720 --> 1:22:24.960 of people who might listen. We talked about a million 1:22:25.000 --> 1:22:29.439 streams right right. I haven't done a million streams. But but, but, but, 1:22:29.439 --> 1:22:32.080 but what you can do is something that a lot 1:22:32.120 --> 1:22:36.680 of these kids can't do, and that's sell this and 1:22:37.439 --> 1:22:40.479 you know, sell the pre order's But let's put it 1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:43.599 in perspective. But let's put it in perspective like, they 1:22:43.600 --> 1:22:46.040 can sell this, and they can do a million streams 1:22:46.040 --> 1:22:48.280 and so forth and so on, but they don't have 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:51.160 somebody asking them about second round knockout and trying to 1:22:51.200 --> 1:22:54.479 constantly box them in. See what I'm saying, like, I 1:22:54.520 --> 1:22:58.800 would trade a clean slate for what you're what you're 1:22:58.800 --> 1:23:02.680 praising me for right now, I trade it for queens. 1:23:02.680 --> 1:23:06.599 That's how crazy all that shit was. But nobody understands that, 1:23:06.960 --> 1:23:09.559 you see what I'm saying. Everybody comes and acts like, oh, 1:23:09.640 --> 1:23:11.760 you got so much, you can do so much, but 1:23:12.120 --> 1:23:15.240 I'm shackled to that ship. Do you feel like that 1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:20.400 you're do you feel like that's like obviously, look at 1:23:20.400 --> 1:23:26.799 the end of the day, if you know, if you've 1:23:26.840 --> 1:23:28.439 made hip hop history, you've been a part of hip 1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:30.880 hop history, right, and you're also someone who's kind of 1:23:31.439 --> 1:23:37.360 not accessible, not very you know, like I said, you 1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:40.599 kind of get in and get approachable, not really accessible, right, Right, 1:23:41.000 --> 1:23:42.680 So you know I think it's you have to kind 1:23:42.720 --> 1:23:46.559 of expect we're sitting here for two hours, I'm gonna 1:23:46.560 --> 1:23:49.559 bring it up. It's a highlight of you know, that's 1:23:49.680 --> 1:23:53.000 that you know what that's if that's if you don't 1:23:53.000 --> 1:23:55.519 really know the whole catalog, bro, Like, if you knew 1:23:55.520 --> 1:23:58.799 the whole catalog. Like so I got like three thousand, 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:05.040 I've hearndred of some songs registered, right, registered which Nielsen 1:24:05.360 --> 1:24:07.040 like sounds you know how much that is because you 1:24:07.080 --> 1:24:11.560 did the math that fast, right, right? So that's so 1:24:11.840 --> 1:24:14.960 let's let's take let's take registered songs in any rapper 1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:18.040 ever maybe that maybe it is I could, I could 1:24:18.040 --> 1:24:20.640 show you the proof, but and I probably would like 1:24:20.680 --> 1:24:22.720 right after we get off. But now so in my 1:24:22.880 --> 1:24:25.000 mind right and in the mind of the people who 1:24:25.320 --> 1:24:30.120 know me best, that one song that everybody keep talking about, 1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:33.080 if we just subtract that one song from the catalog, 1:24:33.280 --> 1:24:35.679 there's still thirties. You get where I'm coming thirty seven. 1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:37.559 You understand where I'm coming from. I get it. So 1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:41.639 that's exactly where we stand. I understand how that could 1:24:41.640 --> 1:24:45.439 be frustrating. It's not frustrating to me. I'm almost I'm 1:24:45.479 --> 1:24:49.800 almost looking at the rap community, like they're slow, and 1:24:49.840 --> 1:24:52.280 this is why we're in the ship that we're in, right, 1:24:52.320 --> 1:24:56.960 And that's why I've stopped trying to augment the direction 1:24:57.560 --> 1:25:00.400 that that's going to get us, because they're not doing 1:25:00.439 --> 1:25:03.000 it with me. They're doing it with all the artists 1:25:03.000 --> 1:25:07.559 out here. They're taking narratives that will shackle people to 1:25:07.680 --> 1:25:12.519 things that munk up the gears and make it so 1:25:12.600 --> 1:25:16.519 that they can't you know, make an impact of value. 1:25:17.439 --> 1:25:19.519 They make it, they turn it into something that the 1:25:19.600 --> 1:25:22.760 only value that can come from it is like you know, 1:25:22.840 --> 1:25:27.920 the ops right, what they're selling and how they're changing 1:25:27.960 --> 1:25:30.960 the narrative and how you know, maybe something unfortunately can 1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:34.520 happen to the you know, to the to the to 1:25:33.960 --> 1:25:36.920 the light, you know what I mean, or just the 1:25:36.960 --> 1:25:40.800 balancer or the equalizer. They want something to happen to 1:25:40.840 --> 1:25:43.360 the equalizer. Man. Well, listen. The way I look at 1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:46.880 it is this, right. I think that that situation is 1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:48.960 historical in the same way that I think that that 1:25:49.040 --> 1:25:52.920 roundtable the UDMX pun and Mike Jeromino was historical. So 1:25:53.479 --> 1:25:57.120 as a hip hop fan, as someone who participated as 1:25:57.120 --> 1:26:00.880 a consumer in that era, like you know, personally, something 1:26:00.920 --> 1:26:02.200 I want to you know, I want to ask you 1:26:02.240 --> 1:26:04.280 about that day. Okay, you were sitting at that table 1:26:04.320 --> 1:26:05.559 in the same way I want to, you know, ask 1:26:05.600 --> 1:26:11.400 you about I specifically remember participating as a fan in 1:26:11.439 --> 1:26:16.040 that situation. So it's beautiful, man. And yet again I 1:26:16.080 --> 1:26:19.080 can stand here on this side of the fence and say, okay, 1:26:19.120 --> 1:26:23.400 so let's look at the round table, like what happened 1:26:23.400 --> 1:26:26.600 to everybody on the panel, like including me, man, like 1:26:27.040 --> 1:26:30.120 or any of the potentially everybody was on that panel. 1:26:30.479 --> 1:26:34.599 Potentially did any of us even get to like half 1:26:34.720 --> 1:26:38.120 our real potential? I think really it was just X. Right, 1:26:38.720 --> 1:26:40.479 you're saying X got to half of his potential, and 1:26:40.560 --> 1:26:42.280 I think got fully too. I think I meant the 1:26:42.320 --> 1:26:44.040 end of the day, DMX had what five or six 1:26:44.120 --> 1:26:45.840 number one albums in a row? Oh so you're talking 1:26:45.840 --> 1:26:49.200 about materialism then now five five at materialism? No, I 1:26:49.280 --> 1:26:55.040 just means of commercial success. So that's his potential was 1:26:55.080 --> 1:26:57.599 commercial success? I mean, what are we talking about? I mean, 1:26:57.640 --> 1:27:02.320 because I said potentially, they reached half their potential? Like, 1:27:02.760 --> 1:27:06.000 what do you think that anybody on that panel reached 1:27:06.360 --> 1:27:10.880 half of their potential? That's what you think too. I 1:27:10.920 --> 1:27:13.599 don't think he reached half his potential, Like you're talking 1:27:13.600 --> 1:27:17.200 about records and sales and money, right, But even when 1:27:17.200 --> 1:27:21.320 he passed, there were issues like surrounding like what money 1:27:21.360 --> 1:27:24.400 is going where? And what's going to agree? I don't. 1:27:24.520 --> 1:27:26.840 I don't agree because it depends on what what scope 1:27:26.840 --> 1:27:30.400 are we looking at him? It's one scope. It's only 1:27:30.400 --> 1:27:35.760 one scope. Everybody sitting at that table, right, Okay, did 1:27:35.840 --> 1:27:38.880 they reach half their potential? Because I feel like if 1:27:39.960 --> 1:27:42.440 any of us at that table have reached half potential, 1:27:42.880 --> 1:27:46.640 it would be like obscenely visible now and not just 1:27:46.800 --> 1:27:52.400 financially you get and so and so and so. That's 1:27:52.479 --> 1:27:56.479 why I will always push back with that kind of conversations. 1:27:56.520 --> 1:27:58.720 People come with that ship. I just look at it like, 1:27:58.840 --> 1:28:01.280 damn man, hip hop is so look man, I'm gonna 1:28:01.320 --> 1:28:04.720 push back like I always would saying that. You know, 1:28:05.400 --> 1:28:09.519 it's like we're hunted, bro. It's like we're hunted, man, 1:28:10.280 --> 1:28:13.640 you know what I'm saying, And somebody somewhere is not 1:28:13.800 --> 1:28:18.240 satisfied until everybody on the panel. It's like it's like 1:28:18.320 --> 1:28:21.000 some kind of fucked up horror film, man, you know 1:28:21.040 --> 1:28:24.320 what I'm saying, or novel. That's the way I look 1:28:24.360 --> 1:28:25.840 at it, and that's the way. A lot of people 1:28:25.840 --> 1:28:28.240 that listen to my music look at things, man, because 1:28:28.240 --> 1:28:30.680 you know what, unfortunately it looks like that's the way 1:28:30.720 --> 1:28:34.160 it is. Everybody else is slow to catch up. Man. 1:28:34.360 --> 1:28:37.120 Everybody else think that it is just about this material 1:28:37.160 --> 1:28:40.559 stuff or you know, you did reach all this potential 1:28:40.560 --> 1:28:43.160 because your name is everywhere. But you know what, are 1:28:43.200 --> 1:28:46.800 you miserable? It's your family miserable. You know what I mean. 1:28:47.600 --> 1:28:49.960 There's certain things going through, certain hardships where you got 1:28:49.960 --> 1:28:52.040 to look at it and be like, damn, considering all 1:28:52.080 --> 1:28:55.160 of the people that would look up the X and say, 1:28:55.439 --> 1:28:58.040 you got me out of some real rough times, brother, 1:28:58.800 --> 1:29:01.000 and I love you for it, and I'll always support 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:03.920 you for it. You know sometimes people tell me that 1:29:04.360 --> 1:29:07.240 definitely not as much times as X has heard that, right, 1:29:07.320 --> 1:29:10.120 and so you know, yeah, I mean I think I 1:29:10.720 --> 1:29:13.120 just get sad, Bro. I get sad when people try 1:29:13.160 --> 1:29:17.679 to act like what they've done, like like what what 1:29:17.960 --> 1:29:25.840 the game is? You know, giving back to us is satisfactory? Man, 1:29:25.960 --> 1:29:28.400 I pushed back, Bro. I disagree. I mean, and I 1:29:28.400 --> 1:29:30.200 told you in general, I mean, I think in general, 1:29:30.240 --> 1:29:34.160 the industry, as as as you know, was was rough 1:29:34.200 --> 1:29:36.879 towards you. Okay, well you're telling me that shit stinks. 1:29:37.120 --> 1:29:42.720 I'm telling you though, that that what what happened, that 1:29:43.040 --> 1:29:45.839 the reason behind what happened. I'm pointing in the direction 1:29:45.960 --> 1:29:48.720 at it. I can't isolate what it is because I 1:29:48.760 --> 1:29:52.080 can't breathe air that far up in the clouds. But 1:29:52.320 --> 1:29:56.080 you know, because it's rarefied up there. But trust me 1:29:56.120 --> 1:29:59.240 when I tell you, man, like the fans really do 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:02.800 you know if it's not if it wasn't for them, 1:30:03.120 --> 1:30:05.320 like you know some of the things that you see, 1:30:05.320 --> 1:30:08.160 Like you look at that panel, dudes wouldn't even being 1:30:08.200 --> 1:30:11.240 able to get what they got, Like now you know 1:30:11.280 --> 1:30:14.360 what I'm saying, And that that's the part that that's 1:30:14.400 --> 1:30:16.200 the part I push back on if somebody's coming to 1:30:16.200 --> 1:30:18.840 try to say, oh, yeah, well you guys, because you're 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:21.519 not the only one, boss, it's not your fault. You're 1:30:21.520 --> 1:30:23.840 not at fault here you just and then here I 1:30:23.880 --> 1:30:26.439 am like just giving you like, yeah, look at the panel. 1:30:26.720 --> 1:30:30.280 You talk about the panel, Like, look, so how you 1:30:30.320 --> 1:30:32.880 think I feel like being it? I was on the panel. 1:30:33.680 --> 1:30:36.040 I feel like a small part of me is felt 1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:38.840 like I'm carrying a flag for that right, and then 1:30:38.880 --> 1:30:40.639 another part of me is like you'll stay away from 1:30:40.640 --> 1:30:42.640 that shit. You understand what I'm trying to say. But 1:30:42.720 --> 1:30:45.519 you want to know because you think the fans want 1:30:45.520 --> 1:30:47.519 to know, so you drag me into that. Get where 1:30:47.520 --> 1:30:49.800 I'm coming from. I think the fans would want to 1:30:49.800 --> 1:30:51.840 know about that day. Fans don't give a shit about 1:30:51.840 --> 1:30:54.760 that man. That shit has been on YouTube. Yeah, but 1:30:54.800 --> 1:30:57.439 it's not about It's not about that video. It's about like, Yo, 1:30:57.479 --> 1:30:59.200 what's the like, YO, tell me about that night. You 1:30:59.240 --> 1:31:01.280 know what I'm saying. I think people I don'tn't even 1:31:01.360 --> 1:31:03.000 to remember that fucking night, Like if you want to 1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:04.640 keep it all the way a bluck. That ship is 1:31:04.720 --> 1:31:07.000 so much shit that's happened in my life, like like 1:31:07.160 --> 1:31:10.360 that ship is like it's just an At the same time, 1:31:11.200 --> 1:31:13.920 I wasn't even like I said what I say when 1:31:13.920 --> 1:31:16.280 you brought that up. I brought up I remember there 1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:18.360 was no Yeah, I did say that. Yeah, but I 1:31:18.360 --> 1:31:21.280 also said that Torrey, you know he did the sign 1:31:21.280 --> 1:31:24.280 offs and there was no percentage kickbacks. If I got 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:27.360 a percentage kickback on that, I probably remember it a 1:31:27.400 --> 1:31:29.400 whole lot better. That's real. You see what I'm trying 1:31:29.439 --> 1:31:31.800 to say. So let's let's let's be you know what 1:31:31.840 --> 1:31:34.479 I mean, let's be let's be pragmatic about what we're 1:31:34.520 --> 1:31:37.280 talking about here, man, because I don't even like doing 1:31:37.320 --> 1:31:41.400 interviews because every the narrative, they always grabbed the narror 1:31:41.400 --> 1:31:43.880 and it's always somebody just slower than me. You know 1:31:43.920 --> 1:31:45.920 what I'm saying, that grabs the narrative and takes it 1:31:45.960 --> 1:31:48.479 and go somewhere else with it, and then I end 1:31:48.560 --> 1:31:50.160 up in the middle, and I end up being the 1:31:50.200 --> 1:31:53.360 bad guy when all I'm trying to do is just 1:31:53.400 --> 1:31:56.120 like the Kanju record, I'm trying to I'm trying to 1:31:56.200 --> 1:31:59.439 keep something afloat here, or I'm trying to assist or help, 1:31:59.560 --> 1:32:02.280 you know what I'm trying to say, Like it's always 1:32:02.320 --> 1:32:04.840 been like that, and it just seemed like rap. You 1:32:04.880 --> 1:32:06.559 know what it seems like to me, Man, I don't 1:32:06.560 --> 1:32:08.679 gonna say this one. Shut up about it. It seems 1:32:08.680 --> 1:32:15.200 like rap is the death of us. Rap is the 1:32:15.240 --> 1:32:17.800 death of us bro. You know what I'm jump trying 1:32:17.800 --> 1:32:19.760 to say, Like the artists that come out and they 1:32:19.800 --> 1:32:23.760 make their music and they're impactful and they're you know, 1:32:23.960 --> 1:32:25.680 there's some good in them, and they're out there and 1:32:25.720 --> 1:32:28.240 they're making a difference for the better. Rap is the 1:32:28.280 --> 1:32:34.120 death of them, not something else but rap. I mean 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:37.680 also literally and figuratively as well, because I mean we've 1:32:37.680 --> 1:32:40.000 seen That's what I mean. That's what I'm and that's 1:32:40.040 --> 1:32:43.800 a goddamn shame. That's all I'm saying. Man, Well, listen, man, 1:32:43.920 --> 1:32:47.040 the new album. But let's not be sad about anything. Right, Well, 1:32:47.080 --> 1:32:49.559 you got a new album out, The Horseman album is out, 1:32:50.000 --> 1:32:51.840 you got a lot of you know, there's there's listen. 1:32:52.080 --> 1:32:56.160 You've had a great twenty twenty one. As far as output, 1:32:56.680 --> 1:32:59.960 what is uh you know is this Are you gonna 1:33:00.040 --> 1:33:02.160 take a break or is this like with this new 1:33:02.240 --> 1:33:03.560 energy of this new record, are you kind of do 1:33:03.560 --> 1:33:05.559 you kind of have the bugs that she's you say 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:07.960 new energy? Yeah, I feel you. I really feel what 1:33:07.960 --> 1:33:10.360 you're trying to do. What I'm saying is I feel 1:33:10.360 --> 1:33:14.000 you like you've had a crazy year of output. Man, 1:33:14.080 --> 1:33:15.960 Look I feel what you're trying to say. I really 1:33:16.439 --> 1:33:19.720 asking like, like, are you gonna it's not working? Are 1:33:19.760 --> 1:33:22.439 you going to keep staying in the studio? It all depends, man, 1:33:22.920 --> 1:33:25.519 the creator makes that decision, not me, Like the big 1:33:25.560 --> 1:33:28.200 g God makes that decision, not me. And we've seen that, 1:33:28.400 --> 1:33:31.240 right with so many other things, so many other people 1:33:31.280 --> 1:33:34.320 and people that we love, artists we love. Right, we 1:33:34.360 --> 1:33:38.880 don't make I don't make that decision anyway. But the 1:33:39.120 --> 1:33:43.120 twenty twenty one there were some bright moments in it, right, 1:33:43.920 --> 1:33:46.880 But on Kachu So I did a record called Covid Santa. Right, 1:33:47.520 --> 1:33:50.840 when you listen to the record, you hear Covid Santa. 1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:54.080 Covid Centta is a real snapshot to me of what 1:33:54.200 --> 1:33:57.280 things are really like. That's that's the snapshot of what 1:33:57.320 --> 1:33:59.840 things are that's twenty twenty one to me. Listen to 1:33:59.840 --> 1:34:02.759 that record. If you listen to that record, Yeah, yeah, 1:34:02.800 --> 1:34:05.600 you know what I mean. I mean, cod Santa. That 1:34:05.640 --> 1:34:08.519 pretty much sums it up, right, I mean, you know, yeah, 1:34:08.560 --> 1:34:11.519 it's but that to me is a snapshot of where 1:34:11.560 --> 1:34:15.720 things are at. Right. So you know, all I can 1:34:15.760 --> 1:34:18.479 say now is like, hey, we're still in the trenches, right, 1:34:19.920 --> 1:34:22.160 you know, we take it day by day, you know, 1:34:22.560 --> 1:34:25.160 everybody out here pounding pavement to do the best that 1:34:25.200 --> 1:34:27.439 we can. And then sometimes you know, we know that 1:34:27.560 --> 1:34:29.840 something ain't working or whatever, when we keep it pushing 1:34:29.880 --> 1:34:31.240 and we leave it alone. You know what I mean. 1:34:31.320 --> 1:34:33.439 This is not some kind of resurgence to canvas or 1:34:33.479 --> 1:34:35.559 nothing like that. Man, I'm still the same dude. It's 1:34:35.600 --> 1:34:37.519 gonna do what makes sense. If it makes sense, you're 1:34:37.520 --> 1:34:38.960 gonna do it. If you're feeling you're gonna do it, 1:34:39.000 --> 1:34:41.400 and yeah you're not, it's all good because you're still 1:34:41.400 --> 1:34:44.080 the same guy either way. That's what it. Hey, So 1:34:44.200 --> 1:34:46.680 what's the website that everyone can go and like if 1:34:46.720 --> 1:34:50.080 they want to actually physically buy the music. I appreciate that. 1:34:50.680 --> 1:34:54.200 So if you want to just be involved, you know, 1:34:55.000 --> 1:34:58.439 hang out with with with with people who like Canvas music. 1:34:58.479 --> 1:35:00.679 They pumped that. You know, I got I got born 1:35:00.760 --> 1:35:03.840 some with me, I got ah, you know, you know 1:35:03.960 --> 1:35:08.519 the team my rippers pretty much like everybody you can imagine. 1:35:08.560 --> 1:35:10.880 It's like messing with real hip hop. I got body 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:14.720 Bag been on this album. We're forging new relationships, you know, 1:35:15.080 --> 1:35:18.000 eighties reaching out the new people, forging new relationships, right, 1:35:18.240 --> 1:35:21.080 and then some of the old relationships if they're if 1:35:21.120 --> 1:35:24.120 they're reparable, we can't we repair them, right if they 1:35:24.240 --> 1:35:27.800 if they're beyond approach, we leave them alone. But you 1:35:27.840 --> 1:35:30.600 know Kenny n ft dot com, that's c A n 1:35:30.640 --> 1:35:32.720 I n F T dot com. You can go there 1:35:32.720 --> 1:35:35.800 to like directly, you know, get involved. Yeah, and just 1:35:35.880 --> 1:35:38.360 and get involved with with with what what I'm up 1:35:38.400 --> 1:35:41.439 to next? Right, you got I pictoria dot com. That's 1:35:41.520 --> 1:35:43.920 like the future, as you were talked about earlier. Yeah, 1:35:43.960 --> 1:35:46.280 that's the future. And so for anybody that wants to 1:35:46.400 --> 1:35:49.200 like put the goggles on, right, it's like you was 1:35:49.200 --> 1:35:54.000 talking about Kit Coutie, Like we just say cut cutting 1:35:56.720 --> 1:35:59.160 part in that. Yeah, so Kit cutting, right, So he 1:35:59.240 --> 1:36:02.599 had like something where they perform with the metaverse. Right now, 1:36:02.840 --> 1:36:05.120 we know that's a huge artist, right, brings a lot, 1:36:05.160 --> 1:36:07.559 a whole lot of fanfare and everything. Look, you can 1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:09.720 put the goggles on and go see him, right, Well, 1:36:09.720 --> 1:36:11.320 you can put the goggles on and see me too, 1:36:11.360 --> 1:36:12.920 But you gotta go to I portuary dot com. Here 1:36:12.920 --> 1:36:15.280 it is, man, Well, I appreciate your time, man, real shit. 1:36:15.640 --> 1:36:15.680 I