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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. I'm your host with

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Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. Our theme is there's no perfect time to

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Speaker 1: start following your dreams. I recognize that we all have

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Speaker 1: different definitions of success.

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Speaker 2: For you and maybe decide to your by chain.

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Speaker 1: It's time to stop reading other people's success stories to

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Speaker 1: start living.

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Speaker 2: Your own keep winning.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I'm your host with Sean McDonald.

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Speaker 1: It's time to stop reading the other people's success story.

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Speaker 1: You hear me tell everyone every week that's my opening mantra,

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Speaker 1: and I also tell you just start writing your own

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Speaker 1: stories because it's your story, nobody else can write it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people see a dream, other people's opportunities,

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Speaker 1: to see other athletes, to see other acts, as they

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Speaker 2: That's the story.

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Speaker 1: In order for you to be successful, you have to

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Speaker 1: write your own story and I always tell you to

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Speaker 1: leave what your gifts. Gifts can be your passion and

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Speaker 1: don't let your age, friends, family, or coworkers stop you

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Speaker 1: from planning or living your dreams. The interviews I do

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Speaker 1: on Money Making Conversation involve celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs, and industry

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Speaker 1: decision makers. My next guest is what I like to

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Speaker 1: My name is doctor Don Brown. Doctor Don Brown is

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Speaker 1: a double Board certified Child, adolescent, adult and sports psychiatrists.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot. Let me say that one with that.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Brown is a double Board certified child, adolescent, adult,

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Speaker 1: and sports psychiatrists. The reason I bring up because my daughter,

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Speaker 1: services because when you get into sports, you question yourself a.

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Speaker 2: Lot, and then you can be an injury you can

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Speaker 1: So it's a lot of things that's physical and many

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Speaker 2: Also in everyday life that comes into play.

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Speaker 1: She's also a pioneer of the mental health movement and

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Speaker 1: then nationally recognize two time number one best selling author, Forbes,

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Speaker 1: writer adhd Coach, mental health expert and public speaker. We're

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Speaker 1: going to discuss with doctor Brown why she chose psychiatry

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Speaker 1: stigma regarding mental health. That's a big one right there.

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Speaker 1: Plus doctor Brown's secrets to being a successful serial entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1: You know this money Made conversation. You know I how

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Speaker 1: to bring that up. Please, welcome to Money Made Conversations.

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Speaker 1: She's living in Houston, straight out of Flint, Michigan, Doctor

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Speaker 1: Don Brown.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, doctor Brown.

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Speaker 3: Mister Sean, thank you so much for having me. It's

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Speaker 3: a pleasure to be here. I'm doing great. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for asking.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you look for t ask got

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Speaker 1: money green on? You got money green on?

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Speaker 1: Now there you tell you said it a little bit

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Speaker 1: Just came off that freeze storm that basically shut down

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Speaker 1: And we're still dealing with the consequences of that freeze

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Speaker 1: So when you're dealing with that, that's all the reason

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Speaker 1: I bring these up is that those situations caused mental stress.

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Speaker 4: But then it's the blessing. Many people have been.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the mental health from a standpoint

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Speaker 2: So that's where the trust comes in.

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Speaker 1: But there's also the stress because our jobs are saying

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Speaker 2: Have a job here anymore. Doctor Brown, The floor is

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Speaker 3: Wait, So it's so much to unpack there, right, because

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Speaker 4: Due diligence, has not been justified.

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Speaker 3: Health, all of those factors play a role, and it's

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Speaker 3: what happens to our emotional health? Yes, it's traumatized and

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Speaker 3: So, yes, emotional health is just as equally as important

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that, because I really like that

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Speaker 2: Let's fix that.

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Speaker 1: We put some salve on it, some alcohol shill stream

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Speaker 1: Rajohn McDonald and The Making Conversations don't.

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Speaker 4: That reason right there, you mentioned the mission.

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Speaker 3: You know, I want athletes to understand that they're a

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Speaker 4: So we're recognizing them as human first, and a.

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Speaker 3: How about just wanting to hear what you want in life? Right,

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Speaker 3: You got to schedule them like your schedule meetings, right,

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Speaker 1: Now, That's that's why it was important when I when

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Speaker 1: I scheduled this interview because of the fact that when

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Speaker 1: you're starting a business, stress, when you're starting a relationship, stress,

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Speaker 1: when you're having children, stress, when you're.

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Speaker 2: Doing a job, you know different.

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Speaker 1: That's why I had to mention about especially in the

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Speaker 1: Houston market. We can go to different parts of the country.

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Speaker 1: You can do the stress that came in the state

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Speaker 1: of Georgia when President Trump and was down here saying

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Speaker 1: that the voting was illegal, that they were cheating. You

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Speaker 1: had the Republican stress, you had a Democrats stress, and

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Speaker 1: then you had the Black Lives Matter.

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Speaker 2: Movement running around. They were being called thugs, being called

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Speaker 2: a terrorist group. That level of stress.

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Speaker 1: Your profession, I would have to believe is understressed too, because.

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Speaker 2: So many people are coming to you for so many

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Speaker 2: new answers.

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Speaker 3: Dr Brown, We're in a pandemic as well. Mental health

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Speaker 3: is in its own pandemic. The good thing about it, ever, Raseean,

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Speaker 3: is that people are coming to get help, and technology

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Speaker 3: has been a huge king in creating that access for

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Speaker 3: many people who formerly didn't have access, who didn't want

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Speaker 3: to come to a place to get help.

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Speaker 4: The screen the stigmat is a part of that.

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Speaker 3: The stigmatizing experience from people where they're in the comfort

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Speaker 3: of their homes talking about something that's triggering.

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Speaker 4: And they're able to communicate that through a screen has

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Speaker 4: been helpful.

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Speaker 3: Insurance companies have gotten on board to provide coverage for

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Speaker 3: telepsychiatry so that people can get help. EAPs are on

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Speaker 3: board to be able to allow therapy sessions for their

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Speaker 3: employees who have been at home over a year and

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Speaker 3: a half. So people are understanding this mental health movement now,

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Speaker 3: they understand how important mental health is and it is

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Speaker 3: amazing to see that. But we're still in the pandemic

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Speaker 3: and we're going to be in this for quite some time. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, yesprectly everywhere.

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Speaker 4: It's a part of our normalcy, our normal day life.

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Speaker 3: But we have to understand that, hey, there is help

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Speaker 3: out there in order for you to help manage that

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Speaker 3: while you're dealing with it as well.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: You know, the help is first of all, have to

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Speaker 1: be acknowledged by you. You know, I you know, like

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Speaker 1: I said, I I've acknowledged the fact that I need

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Speaker 1: I need. I need to see things, movements and things

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Speaker 1: like that that relax that's my triggers. And that's that's

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Speaker 1: a popular word you hear, especially when you talk about

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Speaker 1: mental health. What are your triggers whether what are the

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Speaker 1: bad triggers and what are the good triggers.

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Speaker 2: The good triggers for me is that I gotta be,

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Speaker 2: so I gotta see change all the time. I gotta be.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about I gotta hear loud music,

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Speaker 1: I gotta go to a party, I gotta drink. I

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Speaker 1: gotta be the life of that. I'm stepping out of

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Speaker 1: my own being to know I'm talking about. I go

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Speaker 1: down to my little lake. I sit down and I

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Speaker 1: watch the fish and it relaxes me. And if and

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Speaker 1: then and it takes me down a little bit where

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Speaker 1: I can't see any streets.

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Speaker 2: I can see part of my house. So I'm almost

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Speaker 2: in my little world.

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Speaker 1: And so and it's kind of like that been that

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Speaker 1: way for me, you know, my whole life, though, doctor Broh,

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Speaker 1: I've unconsciously figured out positive triggers for me.

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Speaker 2: You know, in New York, a lot of people I

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Speaker 2: can't stand those crowds.

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Speaker 1: I love the crowds, but then you come to my

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Speaker 1: place is spacious, you know, and so I'm not so

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Speaker 1: I don't care that crowded environment.

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Speaker 2: Of the streets into my home environment. Hey hey, I

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Speaker 2: got these walls too close. Okay. So it's really about

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Speaker 2: some of the decision.

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Speaker 1: But the bigger thing that I'll take away in this

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Speaker 1: conversation and why you are so important, is that there's

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Speaker 1: so many people who have not found the positive triggers,

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Speaker 1: and that's why you are so important.

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Speaker 2: Talk to us about that.

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Speaker 3: Amen, Amen, I have an ADHD mind. I mean I

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Speaker 3: have ADHD and the MV with ADHD if you will,

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Speaker 3: And so like you, I love the noise, that action,

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Speaker 3: the stimuli because it allows me to be moving with it. Right,

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Speaker 3: I'm motivated by it and I'm driven, I'm productive.

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Speaker 4: But then there are times when it's just too much

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Speaker 4: for me and it's overstimulating. So I have to travel.

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Speaker 3: So my positive trigger is international travel. And the reason

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Speaker 3: I say international because it gets me out of my

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Speaker 3: comfort zone.

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Speaker 4: I go alone.

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Speaker 3: I want to learn about different cultures that I don't

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Speaker 3: know anything about, meet new people. So it's a lot

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Speaker 3: of newness that allows me to be in a very calming,

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Speaker 3: right type of mood and zone.

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Speaker 4: Positive triggers are so important.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up because oftentimes when we

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Speaker 3: talk about triggers, the automatic thought process about that is

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Speaker 3: it's negative. But no, are positive triggers, and we need

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Speaker 3: positive triggers to balance out our ability to manage stress.

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Speaker 3: We need positive triggers to understand when we to know

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Speaker 3: when it's time to take that break, when it's time

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Speaker 3: to take that vacation, right when it's time to go

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Speaker 3: to bed at night. It's not you know, being up

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Speaker 3: at two o'clock in the morning because you always want

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Speaker 3: to have work to do.

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Speaker 1: I want to say, I want to say something to you,

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Speaker 1: doctor Brown, because I'm kind of a not a nod

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Speaker 1: that you but annoyed in this system.

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Speaker 2: You know, like because you know, May is you know,

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Speaker 2: mental Health Awareness month.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's not just one month, everybody, okay, And that

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Speaker 1: gives you a false sense that we're gonna recognize this

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Speaker 1: man and the problem goes away.

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Speaker 2: It's every day, every.

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Speaker 1: Hour, how you deal with it, how you relate to it.

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Speaker 1: And I brought doctor Brown on the show you Know

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Speaker 1: to let you know that she's here for you. She's

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Speaker 1: here to to give you a sense of awareness, a

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Speaker 1: sense of a hope, an ear and when when, when

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Speaker 1: that ear is listening to you, she's going to give

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Speaker 1: you answers and if you if you don't have the answers,

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Speaker 1: then she's willing to walk you through the steps to

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Speaker 1: get to that answer. You coming when you come to

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Speaker 1: a person like doctor Brown, her sinners, and what she's

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Speaker 1: trying to do is she's trying to let you know

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Speaker 1: that it's time to acknowledge there is something wrong.

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Speaker 2: See that's the key, right.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Brown, That's the key. And you know, mental health

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Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily just mean I'm having thoughts, I'm hearing voices

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Speaker 4: or you know, these these the kind of the extreme

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Speaker 4: of it.

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Speaker 3: It could be that I'm a he I'm tired, I'm

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Speaker 3: my gear right, nothing is you know, I'm having thoughts

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Speaker 3: that I'm not necessarily worthy. Like, mental health shows up

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Speaker 3: for different people at different levels of severity. And I

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Speaker 3: love people just you know, just like they get physical

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Speaker 3: evaluations and physical checks up, check ups, if you will

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Speaker 3: check ups.

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Speaker 4: I would love if.

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Speaker 3: People can go to a mental health professional and get

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Speaker 3: an annual mental health checkup. Wow, how better they would be,

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Speaker 3: How better this world would be. It just will be normalize.

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Speaker 3: We've got a normalized mental health because it's important. We

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Speaker 3: all experience mental health. Like just like you said at

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Speaker 3: the beginning of our conversation, we all have mental health

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Speaker 3: issues and wellnesses, and so it's important for us to

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Speaker 3: take care of it, regard on what level it is.

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Speaker 2: The thing about it when you talk about fatigue.

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Speaker 1: I remember one day my wife, I'll get up and

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Speaker 1: I'll just drive myself at the airport. And one day

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Speaker 1: she said, I drive you. You know, I got to

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Speaker 1: get up Earth and we were we were driving, she

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Speaker 1: was driving me. She was looking at me in the passage.

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Speaker 1: She says, he said, Wow, when are you tired? When

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Speaker 1: do you When are you tired? I said, I'm tired

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Speaker 1: right now. I said, but what I've learned, I've created

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Speaker 1: triggers to be able to mask that, okay. And I

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Speaker 1: said that's not a good thing too, to mask fatigue.

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Speaker 1: And so when you when you're doing things, mask is

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Speaker 1: a dangerous term in the mental and physical awareness because

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Speaker 1: you can mask fatigue and it can lead to other issues.

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Speaker 2: That's why you have to know your body in this case.

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Speaker 2: You have to know your mind.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I'm a specialist. I'm just bringing

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Speaker 1: you on the show. You are the specialist. And believe me,

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Speaker 1: you got to come back on my show. I could

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Speaker 1: be talking to you for another hour because you and I,

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Speaker 1: first of all, we're connecting.

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Speaker 2: But I think you understand how I think.

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Speaker 1: And I have a lot of natural awareness, and but

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Speaker 1: you have the technical awareness. Because I can't teach anybody

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Speaker 1: what I know it that I've designed for myself. But

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Speaker 1: you can't teach individuals and get them to walk the

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Speaker 1: path of lightness, you know, come out of the light.

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Speaker 2: And because mental health is darkness. If you live in nothing,

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Speaker 2: you live in mental health. That light is not on

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Speaker 2: in that room. It's not on. And you can help them.

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Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about it in the website,

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Speaker 1: so we get that out there so we can just start.

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Speaker 2: You know, you, you you my one, You Texas Texas,

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Speaker 4: Rashan.

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