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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric, and this is next question.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to believe, but the twenty twenty four election

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Speaker 1: is less than a year away. What's even harder to believe,

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Speaker 1: As Yogi Bear would say, it's deja vu all over again. Yep,

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Speaker 1: that's right, Biden versus Trump. We've been hearing a lot

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Speaker 1: about the Republican side of the campaign with the Iowa

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Speaker 1: caucuses and the New Hampshire primary and now Super Tuesday

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Speaker 1: hearing as much from the current administration. That's why I

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Speaker 1: was thrilled to jump on a train, brave the elements,

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Speaker 1: and head to the Eisenhower Executive Office Building to sit

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Speaker 1: down with Vice President Kamala Harris. By the way, these

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Speaker 1: interviews can be very strong. She's an incredibly busy person,

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Speaker 1: so they only gave me thirty minutes, and I had

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Speaker 1: a lot to cover, abortion, immigration, Israel, Gaza, the administration's

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Speaker 1: historically low approval ratings despite their many accomplishments, Trump voters

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Speaker 1: and some crucial voting blocks that don't necessarily think the

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Speaker 1: second time's a charm. First of all, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being here for agreeing to have this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to talk to you about everything you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Before we sat down, we both had a little something

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Speaker 1: we needed to clear up. Why did I think you

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Speaker 1: were much taller? I recently learned you're only five too.

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Speaker 2: Is that absolutely incorrect? Okay? I am five four and

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Speaker 2: a quarter. Okay, four and a half and with heels,

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Speaker 2: which I always around five seven and a half. Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Wikipedia, you're wrong, and we need to go on.

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Speaker 2: I've said this to my team, like what, I don't

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Speaker 2: know where it came from.

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Speaker 1: I was five to when I was twelve, they say

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Speaker 1: I'm five to one on my Wikipedia page by three

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Speaker 2: It's like, literally they just want to just make us

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Speaker 2: smaller in every way.

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Speaker 1: I know, but I but I was excited because I'm short,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, kamalo.

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Speaker 2: No, I am not. I am not just trying to

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Speaker 2: take two and a half inches off my you know. Correct.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we started with a topic that's proving to be

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Speaker 1: a powerful driver for democrats. I know that Vice President

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Speaker 1: harrisher embarking on a Reproductive Freedom's tour to highlight the

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Speaker 1: harm caused by abortion bands and restrictive laws following the

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Speaker 1: overturning of Roe v.

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Speaker 1: This is an issue that has resonated so much with

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Speaker 2: Well, my my goal, my ultimate goal is that we

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Speaker 2: But then let's take a step back. So I'm starting

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Speaker 2: the We're naming the Fight for Our Reproductive Freedom's Tour,

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Speaker 2: and it'll begin on January twenty second, which is the

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Speaker 2: fifty first anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision. And Katie,

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Speaker 2: you know I mean you, and I'm going to speak

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Speaker 2: for you. I think I could immaccurate most of our

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Speaker 2: Roe v. Wade was the law of the land.

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Speaker 2: So it was the law of the land for almost

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Speaker 2: But honestly, I pretty much, I think most of us

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Speaker 2: And look what happened. The highest court in our land

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Speaker 2: And what I have seen traveling our country listening to

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Speaker 2: how these extremists are framing the discussion in a way

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Speaker 2: that really is about judging women as though they've done

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Speaker 2: so when I travel our country listening to these stories,

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Speaker 1: Pragmatically speaking Man and Vice President. The composition of the

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Speaker 1: So what can you realistically do? You were talking about

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Speaker 1: are there any other things that can be done to

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll start with what our administration is working on,

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Speaker 2: which includes fighting for an informing states about the responsibility

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Speaker 2: There is a law that the acronym is m Tala,

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Speaker 2: but it basically says people cannot be denied emergency care.

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Speaker 2: There is the work that we are doing to protect

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Speaker 2: work I've been doing, for example, to convene university presidents

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Speaker 1: I also think there's a lot of disinformation about late

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Speaker 2: Well not only that, but let's just remember that before

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Speaker 2: And I just think that it is meant to distract

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Speaker 2: is a question also of trust. I trust women. President

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Speaker 2: we're going to protect and fight for their freedoms. But fundamentally,

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Speaker 1: Do you think that this will motivate voters in November,

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Speaker 2: Because they can make a difference. Literally, this issue will

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Speaker 2: not because of elections, because of what will result from elections,

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Speaker 2: which is elected leaders passing a lot to reinstate the

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Speaker 2: protections of freedom at the state level. Well, but ultimately

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Speaker 1: Katiecuric dot com. I want to talk to you a

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Speaker 1: little bit about immigration because I think just about everyone

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Speaker 1: and you have said as well, agrees that the immigration

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Speaker 1: system is broken and we need comprehensive immigration reform. Early on,

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Speaker 1: I know you were tasked with understanding the root causes

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Speaker 1: of the border, which I think is important to point out.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, fourteen House Democrats joined Republicans in denouncing

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Speaker 1: the Biden administrations so called open border policies, calling it

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Speaker 1: quote a national security and public safety crisis. And as

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure you've talked to them. So many

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Speaker 1: big city mayor's Democrats are saying this is an untenable

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Speaker 1: So how do you address that have you done enough?

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Speaker 2: There's no question our immigration system is broken and it

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Speaker 2: going to take you back to about three years ago,

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Speaker 1: And that's when you controlled both houses.

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Speaker 2: And Congress did not take it up. And I will

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Speaker 2: tell you that this is, first of all, not a

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Speaker 2: to fix this. And in fact, we have right now

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Speaker 2: But sadly, you know, we want to fix it, they

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Speaker 1: Well it's working, honestly, Well.

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Speaker 2: I don't I think that. Listen again, I start, I

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Speaker 2: go back to where I started. The situation is such

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Speaker 2: that the system has broken and it needs to be fixed,

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Speaker 2: and we have offered a solution, and real leaders ought

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Speaker 1: I think Senates the problem. Republicans I know are trying to.

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Speaker 2: Do that right. The challenge is going to be on

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Speaker 1: Exactly, and they have linked legislation fixing the immigration crisis

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Speaker 1: order to release that aid money.

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Speaker 2: So it's a work in progress. So by the time

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Speaker 2: your listeners listen to this conversation, I don't know what

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Speaker 2: just say this. We ought to be able to do

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Speaker 2: and that includes giving aid to Ukraine, which has been

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Speaker 2: the United States must stand by our ally Ukraine on principle,

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Speaker 2: much less to stand strong about what is American leadership

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Speaker 2: to uphold international rules and norms. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: I've now met with over one hundred and fifty world

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Speaker 2: the United States Congress on an issue like Ukraine or Israel,

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Speaker 1: Let's turn to Israel, because it's been more than three

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Speaker 1: Many people in your party, especially young people, have called

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Speaker 2: So let's start with October seventh. On October seventh, we

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Speaker 2: it is all. Rape is always horrendous, obviously, but.

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Speaker 1: The barbarism of the crimes.

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Speaker 2: I will start this conversation by saying, and Israel has

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Speaker 2: very clear humanitarian aid must flow from day one. I

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Speaker 1: Well, having said that, I want to tell you something

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Speaker 1: He even said that Israel quote must have security control

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Speaker 2: So I'll start with the principles that we are applying

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Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like the Leonette now who agrees with that.

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Speaker 2: We're the United States of America. I'm telling you our position,

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Speaker 2: There may be disagreements. That doesn't mean we're going to

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Speaker 2: We believe very strongly. I believe very strongly Palestinians are

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Speaker 1: So should AID that and Vice President be conditional. If

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Speaker 1: AID not come if there's not that kind of flexibility

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Speaker 2: We are right now in a position of negotiating with

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Speaker 2: and we are taking it one day at a time

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Speaker 1: So I don't feel like you really answered my question.

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Speaker 2: Well do you?

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Speaker 1: But do you think it should be conditional? I know

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Speaker 2: That's about our position right now?

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Speaker 1: Not right now? Yeah, okay, I'm want to turn to

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Speaker 1: And yet and yet you and President's Biden's approval ratings

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, if I listened to polls, I

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Speaker 1: But it must be discouraging.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, here's the thing we have to we have

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Speaker 2: to earn the reelect. That is, without any question, the

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Speaker 2: We have historic accomplishments in terms of the economy, but

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Speaker 2: popular if you ask students with debt, with students people

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Speaker 1: And he just announced today additional debt relief for.

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Speaker 2: We have now erased the debt of over three and

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Speaker 2: what we are doing that is right now active projects

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Speaker 2: that you can probably point to the Biden Harris administration

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Speaker 2: you're right, we have a lot of accomplishments, and I

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Speaker 2: done it, we haven't taken adequate credit for it. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: When we come back, Kamala Harris has a tall order

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Speaker 1: making sure Latino, Black, and young voters stay in the fold.

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Speaker 2: They have now met with over fifteen thousand students gen Z, who,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I think is a terrific generation.

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Speaker 1: I know you love gen Z. You said it on

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Speaker 2: Do you love gen Z?

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Speaker 3: I really do?

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Speaker 1: You do very well among young voters, among people of color,

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Speaker 1: both black voters and Latino voters. President Biden isn't doing

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Speaker 1: as well. In twenty twenty, he won young people by

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Speaker 1: more than twenty points, but now he's tied with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious you've been I think I think people

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Speaker 1: believe you're a good messenger to bring some of those

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Speaker 1: voters back into the fold to support Joe Biden and

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Speaker 1: not just Kamala Harris. How are you going to do that?

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Speaker 2: Well? Part of it is getting the heck out of DC,

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Speaker 2: which I've been doing. Fact, after the Dobs decision came down,

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Speaker 2: I decided to get on the road ahead of the

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Speaker 2: midterms and going to purple red and blue states in

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Speaker 2: almost equal measure, talking with folks and listening to folks.

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Speaker 2: And I started then last fall college tour, where I

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Speaker 2: have now met with over fifteen thousand students gen Z, who,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I think is a terrific generation.

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Speaker 1: I know you love gen Z. You said it on

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Speaker 1: the view.

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Speaker 2: Do you love gen Z? I really do, because they

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Speaker 2: it's a lived experience for them. They've only known the

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Speaker 2: climate crisis. Most of them have endured active shooter drills

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Speaker 2: between kindergarten and twelfth grade. They during the height of

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Speaker 2: their reproductive years, saw the court take away an essential

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Speaker 2: right for them. And so traveling the country makes a

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Speaker 2: difference to one listen, but to remind people that they

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Speaker 2: are being seen and that what they do matters, including

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Speaker 2: that they vote. And so I'm going to keep doing that.

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Speaker 1: Are you worried that they're not going to turn out?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is so key to your reelection.

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Speaker 2: Well, like I've said many times, because it is a

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Speaker 2: mantra for me during election time, they're two ways to run,

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Speaker 2: either without an opponent or scared. You got to earn

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Speaker 2: it and you got to get out there and you

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Speaker 2: got to do the work. And I'm prepared to do it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't going to ask you a question

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Speaker 1: about Joe Biden's age, because, after all, Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: just three years younger, and some people seem fixated on

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's age. But I wanted to ask.

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Speaker 2: You it's because they have nothing to run on, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Well, immigration now they're running on.

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Speaker 2: Too, which they could actually participate in fixing, right, and

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Speaker 2: so no, but really yeah, you know, so yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 2: They're running on immigration because they like having the problem,

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Speaker 2: so they can they can have an issue. But how

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Speaker 2: in fact we have offered them the ability to solve

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Speaker 2: it and they don't want to participate in that, right

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Speaker 2: in the solution.

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Speaker 1: Right about immigration, but having you know, the age thing.

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Speaker 1: Voters are concerned. I mean, according to almost poll that

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Speaker 1: is an issue. And I was curious to get your

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Speaker 1: take on this. Four years ago, I think it was

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Speaker 1: a rally in Detroit, then Canada. Biden was at a

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Speaker 1: rally with you, Corey Booker and Gretchen Widmer, and I

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Speaker 1: looked up what he said. He said, Look, Joe Biden says,

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Speaker 1: look a lot, doesn't He says, Look, I view myself

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Speaker 1: as a bridge, not as anything else. There's an entire

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Speaker 1: generation of leaders you saw stand behind me. They are

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Speaker 1: the future of the country. And I wondered when you

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Speaker 1: heard that if you thought that was a four year

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Speaker 1: bridge or an eight year bridge.

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Speaker 2: I want to get to the heart of what I

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Speaker 2: think you're raising, which you've said is his age. So

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Speaker 2: let's talk about that. I spend a lot of time

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Speaker 2: with Joe Biden, be it in the Oval office or

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Speaker 2: the situation room, and I can tell you this is

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Speaker 2: someone who is tireless in terms of working on behalf

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Speaker 2: of the American people. To your point of knowing Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: he comes from a background and a place in his

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Speaker 2: heart and soul where he cares so deeply about working people,

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Speaker 2: about families. We talk about his empathy because he actually

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Speaker 2: is concerned about the suffering of other people and works

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Speaker 2: to alleviate that suffering. He is bold, and it is

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Speaker 2: because of all of that that we have been able

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Speaker 2: to pass transformational work, bipartisan work. When we've been able

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Speaker 2: to do it, a large part of it is because

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, and I've watched him, sits in that Oval

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Speaker 2: office with the leaders on the two sides and helps

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Speaker 2: people figure out that compromise is actually a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Solutions are a good thing. I have been in the

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Speaker 2: Oval Office when heads of state from around the world,

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Speaker 2: in particular, our allies call up Joe Biden and ask

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Speaker 2: for his advice and he gives it. It is Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden who is, without any question and leaders around the

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Speaker 2: world would admit it, the one who was able to

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Speaker 2: bring together NATO to support Ukraine. So this whole issue

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Speaker 2: that they are raising about his age is again because

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Speaker 2: they've got nothing to run on. And I just think

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Speaker 2: that we've got to get beyond this because I think

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Speaker 2: ultimately what the American people deserve is that their leaders

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Speaker 2: perform by way of solutions and uplifting the condition of

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Speaker 2: their lives.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you used that word perform because I was

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Speaker 1: listening to something Hillary Clinton said recently about performative politics. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a right, and that now people who are doing

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Speaker 1: the hard work of the nation's business are not performing,

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Speaker 1: and I thought that was such an interesting things.

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Speaker 2: Is performing right, right?

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Speaker 1: Right? Perform Yeah, are not performative exactly, And I thought

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Speaker 1: that was such an insightful observation because people doing the work,

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Speaker 1: let's face it, are not that entertaining, but in the.

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Speaker 2: True sense of the word perform in terms of are

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Speaker 2: you actually doing anything. Joe Biden's getting a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of stuff done. First Chips and Science Act. We're going

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Speaker 2: to be investing in the future of technology, competing on

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Speaker 2: a global level. We have created over eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty new manufacturing jobs. We're bringing manufacturing back to America.

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Speaker 2: What we have done in terms of fighting for things, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, this is again where it'd be nice to

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Speaker 2: have a little bit more bipartisan support to extend the

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Speaker 2: child tax credit. In our first year, by pushing it through,

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Speaker 2: we reduced tow poverty by over fifty percent. That's the

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Speaker 2: kind of performing I think people want.

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Speaker 1: But how are you going to get that messaging out?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but this alone, as much as I

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Speaker 1: would like to say the entire country listens to this

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Speaker 1: or watches this, it feels like that somehow that is

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Speaker 1: not getting through. That's what a lot of people for

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Speaker 1: I know you, and I know people like David Axelrodter like,

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Speaker 1: let's get going people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate where he's coming from

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Speaker 2: in terms of we all know what's at stake, Right,

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Speaker 2: we all know what's at stake on the other side

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Speaker 2: of this split screen, because let's be clear about it.

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Speaker 2: We talked about a lot of issues today, you and I,

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Speaker 2: most of which are not binary, like it's not one

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Speaker 2: thing or the other. These are complex issues November of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four binary. And on the other side, you've

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Speaker 2: got someone who has said that if he were back

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Speaker 2: in office, he would weaponize the Department of Justice, someone

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Speaker 2: who has openly applauded insurrectionists as patriots, someone who has

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Speaker 2: said that they will go after their political enemies and

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Speaker 2: applauds dictators, indicating that he would be one. So let's

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Speaker 2: be really clear about what's at stake. And then, yes,

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Speaker 2: of course there is then a desire that let's get

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Speaker 2: out there because we can't lose this democracy. We can't.

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Speaker 2: And I agree with that passion. I am motivated by

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Speaker 2: the same passion.

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Speaker 1: I don't want your staff to kill me. I asked

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Speaker 1: one more question.

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Speaker 2: A lot of witnesses if they do.

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Speaker 1: They ask one more question, Steane, Okay, all right, I'm

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Speaker 1: as as a.

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Speaker 2: Prosecutor if I said they're witnesses, as.

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Speaker 1: A former prosecutor and a former general I'm sure you're

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Speaker 1: familiar with these ninety one criminal indictments Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: currently facing or somewhat familiar, And I'm curious, why do

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Speaker 1: you think so many of his supporters are willing to

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Speaker 1: turn a blind eye to those indictments and support him regardless.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's see if they do in November.

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Speaker 1: Do you think minds will be changed as these court

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Speaker 1: cases proceed.

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Speaker 2: I think that the majority of Americans who are going

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Speaker 2: to make the decision about the outcome of the election

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Speaker 2: want a leader who is competent and not someone who

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Speaker 2: invites and creates chaos. I think they are going to

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Speaker 2: vote for a leader who respects and protects the rule

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Speaker 2: of law, not someone who breaks it. I think they

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Speaker 2: want someone who actually understands that the real strength of

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Speaker 2: a leader is not on who you beat down, but

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Speaker 2: based on who you lift up.

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Speaker 1: Does it blow your mind that people don't Some people

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Speaker 1: don't agree with that though, that They're like, we love

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Speaker 1: this guy, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: I don't judge that. I don't judge that. I am

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Speaker 2: just telling you I know what is at stake, and

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Speaker 2: we are going to spend every day reminding the American

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Speaker 2: people of what we have accomplished and what will be

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Speaker 2: the impact of the selection, And it will be profound,

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Speaker 2: and it will be in many ways existential.

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Speaker 1: I believe, Madam Vice President, Thank you so so much.

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you.

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