1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio. 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: my name is Noah. 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 3: They call me Bed. 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 4: Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are here. 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 4: And folks, tonight's episode is one for our neighbors slightly 12 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 4: to the south. It's for our Floridian friends over in Homestead. 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 4: Homestead might not be familiar to everybody, but essentially it's 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 4: a pretty beautiful suburb. 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: Of Miami in the Miami Dade area. 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we were just talking about how I think 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 5: some of us have never been to Miami, me specifically, 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 5: and we are about to go there for a work thing. 19 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 5: So I'm excited to check out some of that beauty 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 5: you describe. 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: Well, Noel, I don't want to blow up your spot, bro, 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: but you look like you are ready right. 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 5: Right now in that tank top, I mean Bucky's tight 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 5: I tent top. I just got back from my bike ride. 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 5: I look like a Goofbaul. You'll be wearing a lot 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 5: of this on the ship. Guys. This is going to 27 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 5: be me. This is the new me, beach Nol. 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 4: Because we are indeed going on at Conspira Cruise. 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: That's our term, not their term. 30 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 4: We're going with virgin voyages this October October tenth through 31 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 4: the fifteenth. That's what we'll find us in Miami and 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 4: then through the Caribbean. We'd love for you to join us. 33 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, and also they can have Conspira Cruise if they like, 34 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 5: right Ben, of course, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 35 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: This one is a true crime cruise, So you're into 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. You know the shows we've made, 37 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: you've to all of the varying thank you sagas that 38 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: the three of us have executive produced and even voice sometimes. 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: So come on out and let's talk true crime. 40 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 5: And we'll be joined with two other badass true crime 41 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 5: pods as well. 42 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 4: Yep, that's right, Betrayal and Buried Bones. So we're excited. 43 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 4: We've got Miami on our minds, we've got the Caribbean 44 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 4: in our cognition, and today we're looking at a story 45 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 4: that may be unfamiliar to a lot of people outside 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 4: of the area, but it's very much a big deal. 47 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 4: It's very much a arguably it's a conspiracy of Foot 48 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 4: and Matt. This is something that you brought to us 49 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 4: a while back, and we've been busy researching some of 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: this just to verify it. I was interested to learn 51 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 4: that Homestead, Florida, is also home to the subject of 52 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 4: one of our early episodes, Coral Castle. You guys remember 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 4: Coral Castle. 54 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 5: Totally one of the speaking of roadside attraction. Aren't we 55 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 5: talking about that recently? That's a great one. 56 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: How did ed do that thing? 57 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 3: Yeah? Right? 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: For years and years people in Edward's neighborhood were thinking, 59 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 4: what's he building in there? So do check out the 60 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 4: story of Edward lead Skalnon and the tragedy that inspired 61 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 4: him to create a fascinating, stunning, very weird thing called 62 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 4: Coral Castle. Tonight, however, we're in this area for a 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 4: very different reason. It's something called the Turkey Point Nuclear 64 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 4: Generating Station. As we record, there is an environmental disaster 65 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 4: and possible genuine conspiracy afoot or a plume. 66 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, yeah, it's it's conspiracy. 67 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 5: I was thinking of Turkey puns. I don't know why 68 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 5: a turkey plume. 69 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: So many levels. Beautiful, ben beautiful guys. I would I 70 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: would categorize this one as stuff they'd rather you not 71 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: think about. 72 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 5: They'd prefer if you would ignore. 73 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and actually I try to be environmentally conscious, but 74 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 4: for this one, I'm gonna be drinking bottled water. 75 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 5: Cool. Yes, I use tap water for my iced coffee, 76 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 5: so it evens out. 77 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, here are the facts, all right, Turkey Point. You're 78 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,119 Speaker 4: gonna find this place in this game bay. That's about 79 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 4: twenty five miles south of Miami proper. It's just a 80 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 4: tick east of the Homestead area. It's a pretty fascinating operation. 81 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, as we said, it's a nuclear generating station. So 82 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 2: this is a nuclear power plant, the kind that is 83 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: only used for generating electricity. That's it, full stop. You 84 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: don't have that there for any other reason. That's it. 85 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: It's also a gas fired plant. They have all kinds 86 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: of different power generation abilities there. One that we are 87 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: really focusing on is that nuclear power unit, or rather 88 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: the two that are there. 89 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's weird because okay, it's a hybrid station. Right, 90 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 4: Like you said, natural gas plus the big ticket nuclear stuff. 91 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: The first two nuclear power units here are called, weirdly enough, 92 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 4: Unit three and four because they had natural gas before 93 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 4: and they are kind of older. They both date back 94 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 4: to the nineteen seventies. The first one started running in 95 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 4: seventy two and the second one in nineteen seventy three. 96 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 4: And the cool thing if you're flying over this, the 97 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 4: cool thing you'll see first that you'll clock is there 98 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 4: are no Simpson esque big cooling towers. Instead, there's a 99 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 4: ton of canals. 100 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a type of setup that I was 101 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 5: not personally aware of. I guess when I think of 102 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 5: these sorts of facilities, I always picture what you're describing Ben, 103 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 5: the Simpsons esque version. 104 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, pop on to Google Map if 105 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: you can, while if you're driving, obviously don't, but when 106 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: you have a moment, go to FPL Turkey Point. That's 107 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: you can find it that way. It's Turkey Point Nuclear 108 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: Generating Station. And just when you look at the layout, man, 109 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: as you're saying, I don't see a nuclear power plant there. 110 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 4: No, No, I do see an interesting grid network. It's 111 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: pretty sophisticated. 112 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 5: And I guess to what I was saying, this is 113 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 5: super uncommon. So yeah, don't kick yourself if you haven't 114 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 5: heard of this type of arrangement for a nuke site either. 115 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: Dude, it looks like capacitors. That's what I would say, the. 116 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 5: Network of interconnected kind of like circuitry. 117 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, like a tattoo of a circuit board across go dirt. 118 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: That's it. 119 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: You're right, it's I mean, it's something that we're fascinated by. 120 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 4: Just from a design perspective. There are thirty two canals, 121 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: but all told, they stretch one hundred and seventy miles 122 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 4: and they're also old. This is your point about the 123 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 4: speed unusual. This is unique. This is an improvised reaction 124 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 4: to a problem they figured out in nineteen seventy three, 125 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 4: after they already started running the nuclear reactors. 126 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: They had an oopsie, Yeah. 127 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: There's ah crap, we should build thirty two giant canals. 128 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 5: Trying to think of what Butters would say when he 129 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 5: was upset about something. Crackers, crackers, there you go. Yeah, 130 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 5: I got South Park on the brain from that season 131 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 5: premiered Love Fuddy. 132 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: Just the whole family was at the cabin when this 133 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: all went down. We all gathered together in the game room, 134 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: put it on the TV, and we all watched it together. 135 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 5: Cultural moment. There's no question there. Love it or hate it. 136 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 5: It's an interesting called they got the White House to 137 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 5: yell at them. Yeah, I respect that, whatever your perspective. 138 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: Right right. I remember we were texting about that. 139 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 4: It was it was an odd moment of timing because 140 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 4: you don't see that kind of destination watching with so 141 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 4: many things now. 142 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 3: But it was like when a new. 143 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 4: Episode of Lost or Game of Thrones dropped because Matt, 144 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 4: you had texted us, and as you were texting it, 145 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 4: I was watching the same thing. 146 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: Wow. 147 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 4: And I don't know if other people experienced that, but 148 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 4: maybe we'll have more of that good Luck South part 149 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 4: with episode two and going forward. 150 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 5: I had something spoiled before watching it, just because you know, 151 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 5: the Internet, but I will say that it did not 152 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 5: detract from my enjoyment of watching it. It's sort of 153 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 5: unspoilable because you ritually something you just got experience. 154 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 4: There, you Yeah, and we know that the boffins who 155 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 4: originally designed the nuclear power plant, they realized this was 156 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 4: in a very meaningful, diverse area, so they didn't want 157 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 4: to spoil that natural beauty despite you know, building a 158 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 4: nuclear reactor on it. So when they realized that the 159 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 4: water from the bay that was used in cooling the 160 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 4: nuclear reaction. When they realized this water was coming out 161 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 4: super hot and ruining the bay and the wetlands surrounding it, 162 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 4: they said, Okay, we've got to figure out a way 163 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 4: to get the water temperature back down. We know it's 164 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 4: not being irradiated, they said, but it's been it's too 165 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 4: hot and it's going to kill animals, it's going to 166 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 4: kill plants. So we're going to pump it through all 167 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: these canals before it gets back to the wider world, 168 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 4: and that is going to bring the temperature down. Anyway, 169 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 4: It's a pretty unique solution, and it seemed to work 170 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 4: from seventy three on, as long as you ask the 171 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 4: officials at FPL. 172 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again and sorry. If you look at it 173 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: from Google Maps, it's interesting the way the different, you know, 174 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: because it's a collection of satellite images, right, and you 175 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: get this thing where if you look at it in 176 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: its current form today on July twenty eighth, at least 177 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: the one that I'm looking at, the color of the 178 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: water changes to this green as you go down a 179 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: little bit. That is just a different satellite image than 180 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: the one that's used above, and in that one you 181 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: can see the water color looks the same or very 182 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 2: similar to the water color in the surrounding areas. It's 183 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: very interesting to see it in that green though, because 184 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: it looks fully irradiated like Hulk level something. 185 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 5: It does that that's not just a movie magic. 186 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's hard. Can you guys see that 187 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 2: if you look at Google. 188 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, it got a glow to it. 189 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's different. We were talking about the different times 190 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 4: the satellites took photos exactly. But it does look super sketchy. 191 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: But there's a clear line between the two images there, which. 192 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 4: Is how you know it's photo timing and thankfully not 193 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 4: uh gamma radiation throughout the bay. This is a Westinghouse operation, 194 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 4: through and through. They built most of the crucial components, 195 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 4: but the day to day aspects of the planet are 196 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 4: run by Florida Power and Light Company or FPL, so 197 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 4: they're the owners operators. This thing is a powerhouse. If 198 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 4: you are in the Miami Dade area, it's the re 199 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: in your light switches work. This has enough energy to 200 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 4: power nine hundred thousand homes year round, so it's a big, 201 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 4: big deal. Obviously, we want to keep it running if 202 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 4: we can. This was made, especially the nuclear aspects of 203 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 4: it that were made in the nineteen seventies, and we've 204 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 4: got to remember the context in which this was built 205 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 4: in the first place. You know, fear of nuclear power 206 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 4: or approval of it waxes and wanes, almost always punctuated 207 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 4: by some mishap or another. Like you can look at 208 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 4: the stocks of nuclear associated companies and you can see 209 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: how they dip when a chernobyl or a Fukushima occurs. 210 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure, yeah, one hundred percent. I mean that's 211 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 5: sort of an extreme case of like the news impacting 212 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 5: the price on the stock market. 213 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: For sure. 214 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 4: I mean, as long as everything goes according to plan, 215 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 4: nuclear power can be a safe, consistent, and low cost 216 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: source of electricity. And also, you know, if we travel 217 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 4: back into the seventies, maybe the public wasn't as aware 218 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 4: of this, but insiders all knew there were some serious 219 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 4: consequences to fossil fuel, both on the supply side. 220 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: Right do we have to go to war in the 221 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: Middle East again? 222 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 4: And on the environmental side, And they were already at 223 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: this point actively bearing studies about fossil fuel, So everybody 224 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 4: was kind of pushing for nuclear stuff, and I was 225 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 4: hoping that nothing went wrong. That's where that's the milieu 226 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 4: in which Turkey Point emerged and Turkey Point. We got 227 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 4: to say this, The Turkey Point property is not Turkey 228 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 4: Point Station. The actual station is very small part of 229 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 4: like eleven thousand acres all told. And yeah, I mean 230 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 4: so if you're walking around there, you're actually more likely 231 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 4: to run into a canal or a crocodile than you 232 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 4: are to walk up to the station itself. 233 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm just looking at the air Force base that's 234 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: right there, I guess to the north west of the 235 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 2: actual station itself, and then just the amount of wetlands 236 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 2: in between that base and then where the actual station is. 237 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: It's pretty protected. And the rest of them see in 238 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: Biscayne National Park areas and all kinds of you know, 239 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: stuff that makes this difficult to get to. 240 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. 241 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, Biscay National Park is directly adjacent. As you said, 242 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 4: there are untouched mangroves and wetlands. It's a place with 243 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 4: a ton of natural beauty and we don't always associate 244 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 4: that with nuclear power plants. There are more than sixty 245 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 4: different species of animals and birds on this property alone. 246 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 4: Seventeen of those are currently considered endangered, and if we 247 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 4: go to the official sources, we'll see FPL has put 248 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 4: in some work to maintain this environment, and one of 249 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 4: the stories they love to share is about how they 250 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 4: played a surprisingly big role in crocodile conservation. If you 251 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 4: go there and get bit by a crocodile, you should 252 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 4: also thank FBL. 253 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 2: Do they found one in the cooling canal system like 254 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: a nest? Yikes? 255 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, back in the nineteen seventies they found an American 256 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 4: crocodile nest that was in the cooling system, and they said, Okay, 257 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 4: we're going to get in trouble if we don't move 258 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 4: carefully on this, because these creatures are endangered. So we 259 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 4: are going to establish the American Crocodile Monitoring Program, which 260 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 4: they did in nineteen seventy eight, and under this program, 261 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 4: they've actually grown the population of crocodiles there from just 262 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 4: a few hundred to over two thousand. 263 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: So yeah, pretty significant results. 264 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: More crocodiles. 265 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 5: I think I've mentioned this in the past, certain that 266 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 5: I have, but when I worked for public radio where 267 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 5: I was based it was near Plant Vogel and also 268 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 5: the Savannah River site which is a nuclear waste kind 269 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 5: of remediation site where nuclear weapons were disposed of. And 270 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 5: I actually went there and talked to some of the 271 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 5: ecologists that were working on site, and they actually tagged 272 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 5: turtles and like drilled little holes in their shells and 273 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 5: put these kind of like markers in them so that 274 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 5: they could kind of determine check them for radiation literally 275 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 5: with Geiger counters, and sort of use them as a 276 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 5: way like sort of a benchmark for how well things 277 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 5: were going with the cleanup. And these these waist pits 278 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 5: kind of I guess you could call them. There's a 279 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 5: name for them, but it was one of those super 280 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 5: fun sites people talk about. 281 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: They turned them into canaries right in the cold. 282 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 5: For sure. 283 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: It reminds me of the electro fishing thing we talked about. 284 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, shocking results. 285 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 4: So we know that the conservation efforts for the crocodiles 286 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 4: here were so successful that the species was downlisted from 287 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 4: endangered to threatened in two thousand and seven. So, however 288 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 4: you feel about crocodiles, it does show that the company 289 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 4: was actually making an effort to help the environment. There's 290 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 4: a cool video about this you can watch from PBS, 291 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 4: which used to be a thing in the United States. 292 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: They explored the story just last year, in twenty twenty four, 293 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 4: and they've got pretty great, unbiased reporting about it. But 294 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: we're giving you the good news at the top. It 295 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: appears there's much more to the story of Turkey Point, 296 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 4: and not all of it is pleasant. 297 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 5: Correct. For years, activists and experts have you know, enjoyed 298 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 5: with concerned citizens have raised their fears of how aging 299 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 5: nuclear power plants may be affected by climate change, How 300 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 5: clean and secure are these facilities, especially in the face 301 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 5: of these sorts of existential threats. 302 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: And when you imagine the possible side effects of generating 303 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: nuclear power, maybe you're like me and you think, oh, 304 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: irradiated materials of some sort leaking out, or you know, 305 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: some part of the uranium or plutonium that's used to 306 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: create the energy is affecting the environment in some way, 307 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: or a water. 308 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: Source or like mutant crocs. 309 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, But in this case, that's not really what 310 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: we're dealing with. It's a whole other, different problem, which 311 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 2: is why we thought it was so fascinating. 312 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a unique problem caused by a unique solution, 313 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. There's a bit of a 314 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 4: Cobra effect kind of parable a play. 315 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 5: Here keeps coming. 316 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 4: Up, it keeps coming up, and just like these questions 317 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 4: about nuclear power, right in the case of Turkey Point, 318 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 4: these questions become more and more relevant, especially as time 319 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 4: goes on. It turns out that something may have been wrong, 320 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 4: deeply wrong, for decades. So here we're gonna pause for 321 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 4: a word from our sponsors, and then we'll dive in 322 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 4: to the Turkey Point salt plu Here's where it gets crazy, 323 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 4: all right. If you could, like, let's say we're looking 324 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 4: at the map now, or we're in a hot air ble, 325 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 4: we're looking at the surface of Turkey Point. If we 326 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 4: were to drop from that balloon or that vantage point 327 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 4: under the water, under the surface, under the dirt, and 328 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 4: into the aquifer, we would encounter a gigantic plume of 329 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 4: hypersaline water, very salty water, at a weird temperature, and 330 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 4: it's going everywhere. 331 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 5: Ben, Is it possible that the reason we haven't heard 332 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 5: a lot about these canal situations is that maybe they 333 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 5: weren't the best thought through. 334 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: Maybe well, let's just get let's get our general perspective 335 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: here again, we're in the southern tip of Florida, Everglades 336 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 2: is on the western side, and then this nuclear plant 337 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: with all the canals is on the east side of 338 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: that very very southern tip of Florida. It's all salt 339 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: water right surrounding it. But the thing you're talking about here, Ben, 340 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: is that aquifer of fresh water that is deep beneath 341 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: the surface, right That's where the salt plume is going into. 342 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 2: And that's why it's so strange to imagine, and I 343 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: think because it is surrounded by salt water like ocean water. 344 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: So you think, how would all of this ocean water 345 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 2: seep so deeply into that awquarfer And and to be honest, 346 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: how does that not happen already? Right right? 347 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 4: Yes, it's weird too because as you're describing this sort 348 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 4: of meeting point of different ecosystems fresh water and wet water. 349 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 4: Wet water, fresh water, salt water. Yeah, well we're gonna 350 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 4: sell dry water. I think we should give it to go. 351 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 4: Really time it's come, why not? 352 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 3: Why not? 353 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 4: So anyway, because of this, we see various life forms 354 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 4: that have to live in a specific kind of mix 355 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 4: of fresh and salt water. They need brackish water. So 356 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 4: if you mess with this at all, your It sounds 357 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 4: like a line from a mad scientists. You're messing with stuff. 358 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 5: You don't understand the salinity, right, I mean there are 359 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 5: you know, the tolerances are not maybe as broad as 360 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 5: as folks might think. They could cause significant fish kills. 361 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 5: We've heard about bodies of water where it's silinity has 362 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 5: risen unexpectedly and caused entire you know, like apoc fish apocalypses. 363 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 2: But guys, we're talking about the aquifer. What do we 364 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: do with aquifer water? 365 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 3: Usually, well, if you're human, you drinking. 366 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. 367 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 4: So in a recent interview with WPLG Local ten, who 368 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 4: did some great reporting on this a little while ago, 369 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 4: one doctor Rachel Silverstein, who is the CEO of Miami Waterkeeper, 370 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 4: she describes it like this. She says, the plume is 371 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 4: going down about eighty feet, it's hitting what is called 372 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 4: the confining layer, and it's spreading out in every direction. So, 373 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 4: without getting to into aquifer science, essentially what she's saying 374 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 4: is this thing four years has been getting closer and 375 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 4: closer to the drinking water of thousands and thousands of people. 376 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 5: Yep. 377 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 2: And it is like a little monster that's growing. It's 378 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: it's weird. To imagine it like a corruption or something. 379 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: I play a lot of games where there's like a 380 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: there's something that, Yeah, corrupting like a surrounding area. That's 381 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: what it's doing. It's just in this if you if 382 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 2: you can really imagine in your mind, just the salt 383 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: water entering this fresh water and going down and down 384 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: and down all the way to eighty feet and spreading 385 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: out in every direction, corrupting all of that fresh, beautiful 386 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: aquaf for. 387 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 5: Water because we can't drink salt water. It's the idea 388 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 5: like water water everywhere, and not a drop to drink. 389 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 5: What happens, It just doesn't do what it's supposed to do. 390 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 5: It probably, you know, causes us to die of thirst 391 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 5: over time, or you know, gets into systems and causes 392 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 5: all kinds of other knock on consequences. 393 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a terrible way to go. 394 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 4: Uh, we know that it contains essentially your kidneys can't 395 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 4: handle it. It's your human It's too much salt for 396 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 4: the kidneys. And so when you're drinking salt water, like 397 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 4: people who are in a really bad bad way lost 398 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 4: at sea or something, when you're drinking it, you're dehydrating 399 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 4: yourself faster. 400 00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 5: That's what I thought. 401 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 3: It's pretty it's it's pretty gross way to go. 402 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, And that expression in the water water thing refers 403 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 5: to that situation of being marooned and it's the irony 404 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 5: of being surrounded by water but it being you know, 405 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 5: totally inaccessible. 406 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 4: And it turns out that those canals may not have 407 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 4: been the permanent solution everybody across their fingers and hoped 408 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 4: for back in the nineteen seventies. These canals pretty much 409 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 4: had to be built because without them, the water was 410 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 4: going through the plant and as we said, it was 411 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 4: wrecking everything. So FBL didn't just decide to fix this 412 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 4: one day. They were ordered to do so by the 413 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 4: Department of Justice. And the problem is, to your point, Matt, 414 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 4: these canals have been leaking for some time. This salt 415 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 4: plume thing is leaving the canals and it's drifting west, spreading, 416 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: you know, like mold across a ball, and it's going 417 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 4: off the Turkey Point property, off those eleven thousand acres 418 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 4: and into the surrounding round water. Or the eternal optimist 419 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 4: in the crowd will say, hey, guys, I mean that's 420 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 4: not great, but it's not you know, it's not as 421 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 4: bad as a meltdown, right, but we should we should 422 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 4: talk a little bit more about why the water has 423 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 4: a bad effect. 424 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 2: I do agree that's not as bad as a meltdown, 425 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 2: or doesn't feel as bad as a meltdown. Right, It 426 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 2: doesn't sound as alarmist as that, but. 427 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 5: It's it's a related consequence to you know, the processes 428 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 5: they're being done at the site, for sure. I mean, 429 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 5: it's another way that these types of facilities can impact 430 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 5: you know that you know, very delicate ecosystem we're talking about. 431 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and and let's not forget it's not according 432 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: to everybody involved, none of this water is irradiated. It's fine, 433 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 2: it's cool, there's no isotopes in there. 434 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 5: It's just really well, it's not cool. It's really hot, right, right, Yeah, exactly. 435 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: Traces of tritium, but that's. 436 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 5: It within allowable limits, it's right. Right. 437 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 4: So this is where we see some chemistry a play 438 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 4: that makes it a more dangerous issue. Because the water 439 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 4: gets so heated, the stuff inside of it salts, contamination, 440 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 4: and you get just traces of tritium. They get condensed this, 441 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 4: they get condensed so much that the water itself actually 442 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 4: becomes heavier than the other water around it, which puts 443 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 4: it down to the bottom of the canals. The canals 444 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 4: are made of limestone, which is a notoriously porous substance. 445 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 5: So it basically, what's the words you were using, Matt, 446 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 5: corrupts the groundwater like, it seeps further further down into 447 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 5: the system. 448 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, a little monster diving deeper. 449 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 3: It leaches through. 450 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, And experts now are not totally united on the 451 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 4: extent of the damage at present. Some people will put 452 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 4: it more apocalyptic terms than others, but every expert agrees 453 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 4: that if it hasn't compromised the aquifer for the Miami 454 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 4: Dad area, if that hasn't done it yet, it is 455 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 4: spreading for miles up to one foot per day, And 456 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 4: it's not a matter of if it gets into the 457 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 4: water of those three million people. It's a matter of wet. 458 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: And what what the heck do we do? Then? Guys, 459 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 2: We're going to do some emergency desalination. And it's cool, 460 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: it's fine, It's going to be totally fine. 461 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 5: I mean, we've talked about how much energy that takes. 462 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 5: It's not a particularly practical solution. 463 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's not quite cost effective yet Hopefully there 464 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 4: will be more more progress in desalination in the near future, 465 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 4: but even the best technology of that type wouldn't be 466 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 4: the right fix for this problem. 467 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 2: No. 468 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 5: Doctor Silverstein, who we mentioned, notes that the plume has 469 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 5: been observed moving faster and faster, up to one foot 470 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 5: a day. So unless something's done, it's going to reach 471 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 5: the public. 472 00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 4: And of course the public begins to grow awareness about this, 473 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 4: and locals are looking around, especially in this area of 474 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 4: the United States, there are a lot of people who 475 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 4: are very close to the natural environment. You know, there 476 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 4: are conservationists, they're outdoorsy types. 477 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 3: They yeah, yeah. 478 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 4: And as a result, as soon as more and more 479 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 4: people are talking about this, the lawsuits begin to roll in, 480 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 4: think around twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and they're they're like 481 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 4: class action suits, basically a lot of nonprofits, a lot 482 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 4: of groups of concerned citizens. Eventually, the rulings give Florida 483 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 4: Power and Light a window of ten years to fix 484 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 4: the problem, based on testimony from experts, based on testimony 485 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 4: from the owner operators and so on, and they say, look, 486 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 4: here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna dig some more stuff. 487 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 4: Now we know digging didn't one hundred percent work the 488 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 4: first time, but this time we're gon we're gonna dig 489 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 4: a different kind of pattern and that's going to solve it. 490 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 4: We're gonna make extraction wells. We're going to drink the milkshake. 491 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 5: And it just occurred to me that, you know, the 492 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 5: US Army Corps of Engineers typically has at least some 493 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 5: say so or oversight in these types of kind of 494 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 5: public private partnerships where the ecosystems are concerned, and it 495 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 5: does up here that they consulted with the Turkey Point 496 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 5: Nuclear Generating Station through the Jacksonville District, and also the 497 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 5: Nuclear Regulatory Commission, you know, got in on it as well. 498 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 2: Ben, Let's talk about the drink and the milkshake. So 499 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: we're saying they've got their drilling wells into the areas 500 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: where the salt plume is theoretically to slurp it up. 501 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, exactly, So they're creating more wells to take 502 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 4: the bad dense water out. And what we should do 503 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 4: now is maybe pause for a word from our sponsors 504 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 4: and then try to extract the meaning of extraction wells 505 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 4: and well whether or not they'll actually work. 506 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 3: And we have returned all right, drink your milkshake. 507 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 4: As we said, these wells function like giant straws. Straws 508 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 4: for giants. They sucked the plume back behind the property 509 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 4: line of the plant, and as of February of this year, 510 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, FPL stated they're not going to make 511 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 4: the deadline. Said, Okay, we know we had ten years, 512 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 4: we had all loopsie. We're working on it, but we're 513 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 4: not going to have this thing eradicated at the time 514 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 4: that we hoped. 515 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 2: But they are making progress. And when you see a 516 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: figure like the following that we found in I think 517 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 2: this came from local ten dot com local news there 518 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: in the area. They discussed how or at least the 519 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: company made a statement that they've extracted thirty six billion 520 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: gallons of this quote hyper saline groundwater and they call 521 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: it a significant reduction. It is a significant reduction, thirty 522 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: six billion gallons of water. Holy lord, Right, But then 523 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: you start to understand the scale of the problem, because 524 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: that's a dent. 525 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, because that that's one of those pieces of disturbing 526 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 4: good news. You know, we talk about it all the time, 527 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 4: like your favorite your favorite soda or whatever advertises itself 528 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 4: with you know, now completely uranium free. Amazing and you 529 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 4: know it's like, thank you, guys. 530 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 5: Now with only traces of tritium. 531 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: Right, yeah, welcome to our town where a child has 532 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 4: not disappeared for the last. 533 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 5: Two weeks and the life expectancy has has risen to. 534 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 3: Thirty exactly, yeah, exactly. 535 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: And guys, let's also remember we've said some really nice 536 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: things about FBL and what they're doing there, and they're 537 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: doing a good. 538 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 3: Job and they are true things they are. 539 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 2: But then let's also remember that they're not working to 540 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: fully fix the issue. They are working to reach the 541 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: levels in the legal agreement of course that was handed 542 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: down to them by the Department of Justice. 543 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 5: And you know, let's be honest. I mean, that is 544 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 5: how any profit making organization would behave, Like there is 545 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 5: no built in benevolence in business most of the time, right. 546 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 3: Right, most of the time. 547 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 4: I mean we also, I think the most disturbing think 548 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 4: here is that we don't know the full reliable estimate 549 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 4: for how many billions of gallons of contaminated water we're 550 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 4: out there. We know that if you look at the 551 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 4: hypothetical pizza pie overall, thirty six billion gallons is a 552 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 4: big slice, but far from the whole thing. So that's 553 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 4: pretty disturbing. 554 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 5: We're not going to put out that big number. What 555 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 5: there's gonna be. We're gonna sit on that one for now. 556 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 5: I mean, it's available, but we're not going to put 557 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 5: it out. Thirty six billion of X. 558 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And guys, let's also remember this, where is 559 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: that thirty six billion gallons of water going? 560 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 5: It's a good question. 561 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: It's going somewhere on the property. That's all that is stated. 562 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: It needs to be on the property of this power plant. 563 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: And it's the turkey. 564 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pulled back just across across the property line, 565 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 4: somewhere in that eleven thousand acres yep. 566 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 5: So what they're holding onto it? Like it's in tanks? 567 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 5: Like I don't understand what you mean by on the property. 568 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question. Where is that water actually 569 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: being held? Is it at risk of leaking? Again? 570 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? 571 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 4: Is it possible that we're pulling it back and then 572 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 4: it's rejoining the plume? 573 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 5: You know, couldn't you vaporize it or in some way 574 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 5: isn't there a way of like turning water into you know, 575 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 5: sta And then yes, I wonder there's gotta be bad water. 576 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 5: How do we dispose of bad water? 577 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 4: Well, now we sound like we're nestley trying to come 578 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 4: up with the next drink to market. 579 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: How do we get rid of bad water? 580 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 4: You guys, let's sell it to the public. Let's call 581 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 4: it bad water, and let's just see how it goes. 582 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 4: Mile Taylor Swift tie. 583 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: In liquid death could step up. 584 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, gosh, it's their new flavor, liquid illness, traces 585 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 4: of tritium. So we also hear more from the spokes 586 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 4: folks at FPL Bill orlov is the guy we're quoting 587 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 4: for that thirty six billion gallon stat. He also adds 588 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 4: that there have been ongoing efforts to reduce the size 589 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 4: of the plume and they've been successful. They've reduced the 590 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 4: size of the plume by quote almost half, and the 591 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 4: salinity levels of the water are also decreasing, to Matt 592 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 4: your earlier point, they are decreasing to quote close to 593 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 4: those of seawater, bringing the contamination closer to legal agreement limits, 594 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 4: which is not the same thing as one hundred percent 595 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 4: untouched and clean. 596 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and according to the cool down, which is a 597 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: cool sourcet. Literally, it's a neat source that I've found, 598 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 2: and I clicked on one article guys in my Apple 599 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: News app with those with that outfit, and now I 600 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: get at least one a day from them. But the 601 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 2: cool down check it out. I don't know much about 602 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: the actual you know outlet in the journalistic integrity of it. 603 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 2: I just know that they've got some really interesting stories recently. 604 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: In there, they discuss one of the major problems with 605 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 2: the fixes the FBL is doing is that it's not 606 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: reaching deep enough. So these wells that they've drilled are working, 607 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 2: at least to the extent that we're talking about here, 608 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: reducing it by half, but it's not getting deep enough 609 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: to get the you know, we talked about how heavy 610 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 2: this stuff is, right, you can't get to the stuff 611 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 2: that's way way way down there. 612 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And that's not an issue of incompetence, it's 613 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 4: not an issue of malice or anything like that. It's 614 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 4: just scientifically, it's very difficult to get down there. Yes, 615 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 4: And I mean it's also incredibly difficult to clean all 616 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 4: of this water. The extraction wells are working, but everybody 617 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 4: knows they're a mitigating factor, So it seems like they're 618 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 4: reducing the size of this salt plume, and they're slowing 619 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 4: down its speed, but still just like Godzilla strolling to Tokyo, Right, 620 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 4: you can slow the guy down, but you can't necessarily 621 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 4: stop it. 622 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, just yet, Just one more piece of info from 623 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 2: that cool down article. Let's not forget that we've been 624 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 2: talking about drinking this aquafer water. Theoretically, the other thing 625 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 2: a lot of this water is used for is agriculture, guys, irrigation. Unfortunately, 626 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 2: salt water doesn't have what plants crave. It's got the 627 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:38,959 Speaker 2: stuff it doesn't want. 628 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 5: It's a mediocracy reference, it is. 629 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's a fantastic point because what we're seeing 630 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 4: here is that even if the plume somehow never reaches 631 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 4: the crisis level, people are worried about it's wrecking everything 632 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 4: along the way. You know what I mean, Godzilla walking 633 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 4: through the ocean to Tokyo. Even if never reaches Tokyo, 634 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 4: he's ruining the day for a lot of fish, right, 635 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 4: and a lot of plants. Just by the size of 636 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 4: the activity and the salt plume, Kaiju like is expanding 637 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 4: throughout the area, and it is wreaking having on every 638 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 4: living thing it touches. Yeah, things are going great, you guys, 639 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 4: everybody's doing their best. County authorities said the same thing, 640 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 4: and I'm being a little glib here. What I mean 641 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 4: is the county authorities acknowledged, yes, this is something, This 642 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 4: is a series of good faith efforts to fix the problem, 643 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 4: but it's not enough. Neither the county nor the power 644 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 4: company at this point have issued any statement about when 645 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 4: or whether they expect the plume to be fully retracted 646 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 4: from the water. Understandably, that's got a lot of people 647 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 4: worried about the future. And an important point to make 648 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 4: here that sometimes gets lost in the reporting is that 649 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 4: this is all occurring in step with some pretty rest 650 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 4: of extension and expansion plans for Turkey Point. So even 651 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 4: as people know things are not functioning one hundred percent ideal, 652 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 4: they're making the operation bigger while they're trying to fix it. 653 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 2: Which is great. 654 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 5: It's better than some that's that's for sure. 655 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,959 Speaker 4: I mean, it's also it's also a question of can 656 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 4: the area function without this thing? 657 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 5: Right? 658 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 3: What happens if they shut it down? 659 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 5: You know, I'm a little confused then, because you pointed 660 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 5: out that those new units were approved to continue operating, 661 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 5: you know, well into the future. But I did find 662 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 5: that the two units that we're talking about here, three 663 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 5: and four, were approved to be built back in twenty sixteen, 664 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 5: and that there was no environmental impact, And this is 665 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 5: like ongoing. 666 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this is confusing again because the first two 667 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 4: units from the nineteen seventies were often called Units three 668 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 4: and four. 669 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 3: The other ones, the ones you're talking. 670 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 4: About, the new ones that are approved to be built 671 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 4: from twenty sixteen, they're a different category. I think they 672 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 4: should give them all cool individual nicknames, like we do 673 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 4: with the studios in the office, just to make it 674 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 4: easier for people to remember. But yeah, there are a 675 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 4: lot of expansions and approvals. The original units from the 676 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 4: nineteen seventies have actually gotten their license to continue operation 677 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 4: until twenty fifty two and twenty fifty three, respectfully, and 678 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 4: that's from the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission back in September 679 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 4: of twenty twenty four. So there's still again to your point, 680 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 4: on multiple levels, expanding operations. 681 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. I guess what kind of makes me scratch my 682 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 5: head a little bit is that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission 683 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 5: and the Army Corps of Engineers jointly approved the construction 684 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 5: of those new units back in twenty sixteen when it 685 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 5: seems like a lot of this stuff had not been 686 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 5: sorted out fully yet. And you know what I mean, 687 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 5: Like it just seems like a bit of a rubber stamp, 688 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 5: is all I'm implying. 689 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 2: Well, Miami is a very populous area, isn't. Aren't there 690 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 2: around three million people that live in the immediate Miami 691 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 2: Dade area, and then you've got Boca Raton just above 692 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 2: that a bunch of other fully hugely populated areas. So 693 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 2: I imagine that the power generation here at this plant is crucial, 694 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 2: as we've been saying throughout the episode, right. 695 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,720 Speaker 3: And the water it's touching is crucial exactly. 696 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,439 Speaker 5: It's a balancing act. 697 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 4: And there are still, you know, to the credit of 698 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 4: all the scientists involved, there are still active brainstorming sessions 699 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 4: on how to, like new solutions, how do we fix 700 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 4: these canals, And there are a lot of ideas in 701 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 4: the mix, things like another wave of wells. These wells 702 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 4: would be horizontal, deeper and further away from the existing 703 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 4: milkshake straw extraction wells or the recovery ones. So the 704 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 4: big concern there is they may swing the pendulum too 705 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 4: far in the other direction. The horizontal wells may remove 706 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 4: too much water from the aquifer, meaning that again we 707 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 4: would create a new problem while we were trying to 708 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 4: solve a previous problem. 709 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 2: Uh. And how do you do a horizontal well into 710 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 2: that area? You probably got to go from the outside in, right, 711 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 2: and the outside's got a bunch of salt water in it. 712 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 2: So good luck. 713 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 4: Yes, tricky, it's a tricky one. And as all these 714 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,479 Speaker 4: strategies wax and wighing as people argue back and forth 715 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 4: about this, the wheels of industry grind on. Turkey Point 716 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 4: is still very much an active power plant, and like 717 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 4: I said, millions of people rely on it. That's where 718 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 4: we have to leave it for now. We're going to 719 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 4: be sure to update as the situation develops, and we 720 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 4: hope everybody in the area is safe and hopefully able 721 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 4: to still enjoy clean water. Have you guys ever been 722 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 4: to a place like on a road trip or a 723 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 4: vacation and you realize the water tastes noticeably better or 724 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 4: wor then your hometown. 725 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yeah, oh man, I mean it doesn't necessarily make 726 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 5: me question whether it's safe or not, but yeah, maybe 727 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 5: I should. But you do get used to your your 728 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 5: local water, and it can be pretty jarring. 729 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 2: You know the place where I've almost always detested the 730 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 2: tap water taste, Florida. 731 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's got that like briny quality to it 732 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 5: a little bit. 733 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 3: It's got something that you wouldn't want a bottle and sell. 734 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 2: I don't think so, guys. 735 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,919 Speaker 4: Sometimes sulfurous tastes like fireworks, says Dylan. 736 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 5: Fireworks. 737 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and not in a great way. Also, we're 738 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 4: not condoning eating fireworks. 739 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 2: And also, sorry, Flora, no shade. It's just for. 740 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 5: Everybody, you know, everybody. I think you know, we're not 741 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 5: being like Burkie filters and stuff. I mean, you know, 742 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 5: Decatur water doesn't taste great. You know, We've got ways 743 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 5: around it. 744 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 4: I like the positive spin of going to a place 745 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 4: and thinking, wow, this water tastes them. That's happened to 746 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 4: be one or two times. 747 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 2: You know what, I guess spoiled guys. Yep, up here 748 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 2: in like forty five to an hour north of Atlanta. 749 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 5: We live in the country bra gream water, Yes, clear 750 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 5: and clean and crisp, the water of beautiful them. 751 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 3: I forgot to tell you. 752 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 4: A friend from out of town sent me a picture 753 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 4: of the coming water tower. 754 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, they didn't come. Yeah, be funny, it'll not be hilarious. 755 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 2: Head on over to Coming Beaver Toyota or coming No, 756 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 2: the coming Dick's location fantastic. 757 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and the uh I think the coming water 758 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 4: Tower used to have the logo coming home. 759 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:47,720 Speaker 2: I don't remember. 760 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 3: I think they were. 761 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 4: Trying to save it from being the hilariously evident wordplay. 762 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 5: We came here to comm It's all I'm saying. 763 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 4: And we came here to go, as we can readily 764 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 4: admit our Hello friends. Neighbors in Florida already have too 765 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 4: much to deal with, so let's not add some grand 766 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 4: nuclear conspiracy as well. We want to hear your take 767 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,720 Speaker 4: on this, folks. What can be done here? What should 768 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,760 Speaker 4: be done? What will be done? 769 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 3: What do you think? Let us know. 770 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,760 Speaker 4: We try to be easy to find on the phone. 771 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 4: You can always send us an email. You can find 772 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 4: us on the lines. 773 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,919 Speaker 5: You sure can. You can find us in the handle 774 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,720 Speaker 5: conspiracy stuff where we exist on Facebook with our Facebook 775 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 5: group here is where it gets crazy. 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