1 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast presented by by Star Credit Union, 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: featuring Jaguar senior writer John Osier and executive producer Dave 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: de Candice. This week's guest, I wanted to get somebody 4 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: who I consider an old, old old friend. And I'm 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: saying old on my part, not his part, Uh, to 6 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: talk about Jaguar's head coach Urban Meyer a little bit. 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: And this is the person who worked with him, uh 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: six seven years, had tremendous success around him, probably knows 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: him as well as anybody. I'm talking about former University 10 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: of Florida athletic director Jeremy Foley. And Jeremy to me, 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: You'll always be Florida Athletic director because you were Florida 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: Athletic athletic director when I was there. I'll never consider 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: anybody else for the job. But I know you've obviously 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: moved on. First of all, how are you. I'm doing great, John, 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You know, you know, obviously enjoying 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: my life. It's a little different, um, but I'm still 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: blessed to be around this place that helped Scott out 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: where he needs some help. You know, I'm doing a 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: little teaching here, you know, I mentored some student athletes, 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: mentor some students on campus, you know, do some speaking 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: to some leadership development. But obviously my last moment now 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: and I've enjoyed it. But most of all, I still 23 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: enjoyed my connection still with the Gators. I'm thrilled that 24 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: obviously Urban has has come to Jacksonville and you guys 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: have remained close. Did you have any idea that he 26 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: was taking the job and he any clue? Are you 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: surprised like the rest of us? Oh, he and I 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: had talked about, you know, his next steps. I mean 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: I knew he was interviewing with the Jaguars. I think 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: he interviewed a couple other places or at least had 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: some people reach out to him. Um, I kind of 32 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: got the sense when he talked that told me that 33 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: he met with Shad a second time. And I don't 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: remember when that was, but you know, I know how 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: it works, you you know, started meeting with people one 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: at once. There's um you can see where it might 37 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: be headed. But you know, um, I knew first of all, 38 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: I know Ver really well and I know how how 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: how much he likes to compete. When he stepped down 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: from Ohio State Um, I did not think he was 41 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: finished coaching. I didn't know how long he would take 42 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: take off. I do know he was enjoying his life. 43 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: He enjoyed his his gig with Fox, joined his family 44 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: and enjoying his grandkids. Um. But also I know who 45 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: he is, and I know what makes him churning and 46 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: competing is right at the top of the list. So 47 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: you know, he did not call me the night before 48 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: and the eight and them all we're announcing the Jags, 49 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: but I kind of got a sense something was happening, 50 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: and obviously, as I said, happy for him, I have 51 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: to be up front. I don't have a list of questions. 52 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: Often on this podcast, I have a list of questions, 53 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: but I really just know that you know Urban better 54 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: than the rest of us. I don't know him yet 55 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: at all. But but the biggest thing that I wanted 56 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: to ask of you is there's always a perception with 57 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: any coach, especially the coach at a school like Florida. 58 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: You get big time coaches who are there and people 59 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: see them one way, but people inside the organization seem 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: another way. And I'm wondering if you could tell me 61 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: something about Urban that maybe people don't realize or that 62 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: is out there is you know, people say this about 63 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: urban Meyer and you go, boy, that's just not the 64 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: guy I know, you know obviously, Um, I think through 65 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: the years Rumor has gotten a you know, bad rap 66 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: for no discipline. I think he gets a bad rap 67 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: for you know, having a bunch of bad apples in 68 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: his program. I think he gets a bad rap for 69 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: not having you know, you know, values that people think 70 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: you should have. You know, I think anybody who's been 71 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: in a chair obviously I sat in the chair for 72 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: twenty five years, you make decisions and maybe you know, 73 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: if you had a crystal ball, you were handled them 74 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: differently or done them differently. All right. But um, you 75 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: know Irman, you know when he was here, you know, 76 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: his office right next to mine. I know what he 77 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: stood for. Was he perfect? You know there are no 78 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: perfect people. Um, but the do you care about the 79 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: University Ford? You care about his players? They do things 80 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: the right way? All right? So you know, maybe one 81 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: of his one of his faults is one of the 82 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: things that have caused people who give him the rap 83 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: that he gets is that, you know, he believed in 84 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: giving people second chances. Okay, it's not like we had 85 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys, you know, you know we had 86 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: we had a bunch of guys doing it saw stupid stuff, okay, 87 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, driving around and suspending licenses and and you 88 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: know things that you know, the laundry, the list. You know, 89 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: it kind of gets to the point where it becomes 90 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: urban legend and kind of is what it is. But 91 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think you can win at this level. 92 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: I don't think you win at any level and win 93 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: the way urban one without discipline on the team. And 94 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: he had it, okay, Um so anyway, you know, again, 95 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: I'll be the first to emit, just like I'll be 96 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: the first admitte about myself. You know, he probably made 97 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: some decisions he wished he would be done over and 98 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: gave a second chance for maybe he wishes and red 99 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: respect he hadn't, but you know his heart was in 100 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: the right place this. I do know he'll play his 101 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: heart and soul and to what he's doing in Jacksonville. 102 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: You know he will. He will his efference, you know, 103 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: relentless efforts doesn't even begin to describe what he'll do 104 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: to try to make that franchise a winner. Um. I 105 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: think it's a perfect opportunity for him. I think the 106 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: college game bourbon. You know, he'd been there, done that. 107 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: You know, the college game becomes more and more difficult 108 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: with the you know, with the scrutiny and also you 109 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: know transfer portals and namage and image and likeness, and 110 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: he and I talked about those things. Um, you know, 111 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: but I do think you probably talked to Billy Donovan 112 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: about this making a transition from you know, college to 113 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: professional and you know, I think it's probably, um, you know, 114 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: he's in a perfect place for him. He's obviously know 115 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: the State of Florida organization. You know, no disrespect to anybody, 116 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: there's nowhere to go but up. I mean calling it 117 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: like it is. You know, you you won one game 118 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: and one in fifteen. Certainly having the first pick in 119 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: the draft is gonna certainly probably had a factor be 120 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: and knows to win at this level, any level, So 121 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: our level, that level, you better have a guy behind center, 122 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: and somebody's gonna have a chance to find that person. 123 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: But you know, you know I think that sometimes because 124 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: wrapped it. You know, I'm not gonna you know it is, 125 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: as I said, this is what it is. People entitled opinions. Um, 126 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't attract. And the type of coach he is, 127 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: you know, so in Erman's you know, Irman is a 128 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: good dude. You know Irman kind of you know, he's 129 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: in an extroverted business and I think, well, he's a 130 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: very private person. His circle of trust is small. Um, 131 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: but you know a good sense of humor. Um he is. Um. 132 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: He can ball bust as good as anybody. Um. But 133 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: it's it's he's a serious new and it's very important 134 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: to him. And you know I saw that first hand. 135 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: I saw what he did here. And so you know, 136 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: like I've said often since he took the job at Jackson, 137 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: will no better against the River Minor because he's one 138 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: wherever's event. You've been around obviously and an impress I'm 139 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: believably impressive list of coaches that you've hired. Um what 140 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: uh was there anything that separated Urban from the pack? 141 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: And again you've been around greatness and you had an 142 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: eye for it to Florida with all sports, anything stand out. Well, 143 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: this is gonna be a nebulous response, and I think 144 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: people understand what I'm trying to say. They'll get it. 145 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: But you know Urban has it, Okay, he has the 146 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: it factor. I think incredible leaders, incredible coaches, soldiers, c 147 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: e o s. You know, people who have incredible success, 148 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: they have it. They're walking the room, and you know 149 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,559 Speaker 1: that's the guy. And I'm not talking about some arrogant 150 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: dude walking in, you know, cacadulog look at me. I'm 151 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: just talking about you can tell he's confident what he does. 152 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: You know, he's um. You know it kind of people 153 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: are drawn to him. People, you know, I always thought 154 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: he would have been UM an incredible UM soldier on 155 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: the back, I feel not that I don't e think 156 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: about it personally if I studied that stuff, but I'm 157 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: involved with some leadership stuff with people in the military, 158 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: so it's kind of a something that intrigues me. But 159 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: he would convince people this is the right mission, and 160 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: this is the right way to handle, this is the 161 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: right way to go. People would have bought in. People 162 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: buy into him. And because he has, you know, he's 163 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: he's a good at manufacturing a certain culture that leads 164 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: to success, all right, UM. And you know it's also 165 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: what he does is um you know, not easy. You know, 166 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: there's not there's nothing easy about how he will you know, 167 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: build a program, what Does that mean people are gonna 168 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: have to buy in, People have to work hard, everybody's 169 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: needs to be the same page. When he and I 170 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: were talking, you know, obviously when he was at Utah 171 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: and I was, you know, trying to get him to 172 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: come to Florida, and we were just you know, maybe 173 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: the first meeting, maybe the second meeting. Um, you know, 174 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: he talked a lot about culture. We talked about the 175 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: people around him. Is everybody gonna buy in? He can't 176 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: have people, you know, one ft in, one foot out. 177 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: You can't have people who you know don't buy in 178 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: and you know, pretend to buy it. I mean, he 179 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: knows that, just like everybody who's runs a successful organization 180 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: knows it takes an entire group of people traveling down 181 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: the road the same way. Doesn't mean we don't disagree. 182 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: Does it mean that, you know, you know, every once 183 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: in a while, somebody doesn't travel down the road the 184 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: right way and they have to be replaced, whatever have you. 185 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: But you know, he wanted to know about the people 186 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: in the organization because he knows to be successful and 187 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: he will demand total buying, total loyalty. It doesn't mean 188 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't want input. Does I mean he doesn't want, 189 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, push back. Um, but you know people talking 190 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: out of school, people you know, talking outside the room. 191 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: You know, that's that's a problem for him with a 192 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: book problem for me. You know, when I was at 193 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: Letter drifted, I couldn't all right that either to al 194 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: rate disagreement. You know, reasonable people will disagree. That's how 195 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: you get better. You know, you push back. You know 196 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: you're push and push and push, and you get pushed 197 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: back your self evaluate you evolved. But you know a 198 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: lot of times in business people you know, talking to streets, 199 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: talking outside of school, and he won't tolerate that. You know. 200 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: So his incredible focus the first time I met him, 201 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: he could tell it um and again you know, he 202 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: also smart enough to what I liked about Urban Billy 203 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: Donovan Steve spurred abability to look in the mirror and 204 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: so evaluate and go out, I need to do this better, 205 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: or I need to I need to evolve, or maybe 206 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: we shouldn't have done that. You know, again, he wanted 207 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: the highest level. You know, obviously the best coach and 208 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: college football history will be Nick Saban. I also also 209 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: think that Urban State or our place for as long 210 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: as Nick had been at UM Alabama or a House state. 211 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: As long as Nick had been in Alabama, he'd be 212 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: challenging because he's just a flatted winner. He's a winner. 213 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: You mentioned the self evaluation, and and that circles into 214 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: something that I think maybe people miss about him, Uh, 215 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: the ability to adapt, Like if you if you look 216 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: at his history, adapted, offensively, adapted at a I stayed 217 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: in terms of how he did things from Florida. That's 218 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: a conscious thing for him, right, That's something that he 219 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: knows is important. Yeah, a little urbans A student leadership. 220 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: I mean he he reads about it. He's been teaching 221 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: at the House State the last couple of years. You know, 222 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: he and I used to talk about it all the time. 223 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: He reads books, he's around leaders, he has obviously access 224 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: to them because of who he is and what he's done. 225 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: And you can't be a successful leader without looking in 226 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: the mirror saying you know something, this isn't working the 227 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: way I wanted to, or looking at the hands your 228 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: adults and saying, okay, we need to adapt and we 229 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: need to play differently, and we need to you know, 230 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: whatever happened, I mean obviously you know he recruited, he 231 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: took over a team here that obviously a bunch of 232 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: good players but hadn't had great success. And he won 233 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: a national championship with them in the second year. And 234 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: they were different than the Tim Tebow years and the 235 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: Person Harving years. Although Person and or Tim or part 236 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: of those teams. But you know, he he had adapted. 237 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: He likes to win. Okay, he likes to be successful, 238 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: and he's not gonna be you know, try to jam 239 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: and square a peg into a round the hole. He's 240 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: smart enough to realize, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta 241 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: whittle this, you know, the square peg down and make 242 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: it fit. You know. So he has the building. He 243 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: has absolutely the building itself. Evaluate. You know, people talking 244 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: about involving you know, I've heard and I get this. 245 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: You know, can Urban handle losing five or sing? You know, 246 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: if you go eleven and five minute val you've got 247 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: a heck of the year. And you're in the playoffs 248 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: and you're hosting the playoff game, and you know, it's 249 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: the way it is up there, right. Not that I'm 250 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: an NFL expert beyond being a fan. Um. You know, 251 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: I heard the same thing about when Billy went to UM. 252 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: I went to UM to Oklahoma City. I was gonna 253 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: handle losing thirty games. You know, you go up there 254 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: and you're fifty two and thirty, you're having to do 255 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: your sixty and twenty two. You've had him a great year. 256 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: You know it's twenty two Austins. If you lose eight 257 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: in college, you know you're talking to him off allege 258 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: of the O'Connell center, right, But you know Urban's you 259 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: know Urban understands. I mean he will adapt and not guarantee. 260 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: He's picked the brain of a million guys. You know, 261 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: he Bill belichickter close and you know he's smart enough 262 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: to adapt, right because his plan, he has a plan 263 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: to win. I was playing to win college. Obviously, will 264 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: probably different than was planning to win an NFL. So 265 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: there's something some similarities, but you know, not overacting to 266 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: a loss in the NFL. I mean, I'm sure he'll 267 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: he will evolve and fade that out. You mentioned your 268 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: officers were next to each other. Um, not to reveal 269 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: too much, but after a loss, were there tough times 270 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: where you at the council? I mean is that yeah? 271 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I would do that with anybody. 272 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: I mean, part of my jobs athletic director. Is that, 273 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, obviously nobody's going undefeated, and obviously 274 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: at some point you coach is gon understand who was 275 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: a part of the gig and just an opportunity to 276 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: get better. But obviously some lossers are tougher than others 277 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: and some asters more stake than others. And so yeah, 278 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: I thought that was part of my job because Urban 279 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: trusting me. You know, Urban I always didn't agree, you know, 280 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: but so it him and I didn't always agree. You know, 281 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: we go right down the list. You know, that's the 282 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: way in the world. It's way supposed to be. Um. 283 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: But I think if you have relationships with people and 284 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: you trust them and there's that's reciprocated, then you could 285 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: have honest, open conversations. There may be a reason we 286 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: lost that he didn't see, and you know, um, part 287 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: of my jobs that to try to help us be 288 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: successful and along the line to try to help hope 289 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: him be successful. And he's very receptive of that. You know, 290 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: Urban is not like, who the heck are you to 291 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: be talking to me? That's you know, he's got an 292 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: ego like we all do, in terms of he's confident 293 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: in what he does you know. You know, I'm sure 294 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: there are some people out there think that his ego 295 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: is overbearing. It is not in my opinion. Um, can 296 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: he be tough, Yeah, I said that earlier. He can 297 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: be talking, can be talking. He was tough on me sometimes, right, Okay, 298 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: you know I have no problem with that because I 299 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: knew what he was trying to get done. You know, 300 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't about the ego, was about the program and 301 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: the culture and what he was trying to build. But yeah, 302 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: there were times when I would sit there, you know, 303 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: even when he was at a high of state, even 304 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: when he was going through tough times, you know, after 305 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: leaving Forward. You know, again, he and I, you know, 306 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: sometimes our relationship would um, you know, separate a little bit, 307 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: but it always comes back because of the trust. It 308 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: always comes trust, because of the trust we have and 309 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: the feelings we have for each other in the friendship 310 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: we have. You mentioned trust, that's a huge and a 311 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: couple people have talked to about him, that always comes up, 312 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: and his trust with players, that relationship. I guess how 313 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: important is that. I assume you saw at firsthand. The 314 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: trust he has of the players is paramount, right, Yeah, 315 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: I mean trust is one of his um one of 316 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: one of his lynch pins. You know, I'm sure he's 317 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: got others, but I mean, as far as I know, 318 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: there's not many more any higher than that. Okay, And 319 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: it's not you know, his trust is you know, like 320 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: anything else. He just you know, he wants people too 321 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: honest with him. You want to give an honest efforts. 322 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: You know, things are, things aren't. If there's a problem somewhere, 323 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: tell me what it is. And you know, I just 324 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: know trust is important to him, and and um, that'll 325 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: be that'll be a focus point of whatever he tries 326 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: to build. Derrin Jacksonville. He's perceived and again I know 327 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: people who have covered and people have been around him, 328 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: he's perceived as Aloof somehow, and I don't you know, 329 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: is that and accurate the thing? I mean, I've also 330 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: heard that it's basically because he's so focused on what 331 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: he's doing that he's not gonna hang out in the 332 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: hallway with people. Yeah, you can follow me. He's not 333 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: gonna be everybody's buddy, if you will. That's not his role, right, Yeah, 334 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: And that doesn't make him a bad person. I mean 335 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: Aloof means to me, someone with him give a flip. 336 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: And you know I don't see that at him. I mean, 337 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: he is incredibly focused. You know, it's it's it's different, 338 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: it's different than my style. I work for a guy 339 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: once who walk down the hall way that he was 340 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: the same way, incredibly focused and I was young and 341 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: say good morning, and you'd get nothing back and you 342 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: go into the room, Well, well, WHOA, what do I 343 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: do wrong? Right? And I've always I always remember that. 344 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: So when I walk down the hall, I'm trying to engage, right. 345 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: But you know, different strokes are different folks. You know, 346 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: the person that I was referring to wasn't a bad person. 347 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: He was just concentrating on something else. And urban could 348 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: be that way. But I can see where people would 349 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: feel that way. But you know, he's a grinder. You know, 350 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: he is going to grind and grind and grind and grind. 351 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: You know, I think that sometimes he pays a price 352 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: for that kind of You know, He's like a meteor 353 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: that burns bright and sometimes you know it can burn. 354 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: Maybe that happened to Florida, maybe it happened to the 355 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: House state. And not saying that and I'm trying to 356 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: be disrespectful but um, he has no governor um on 357 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: his efforts and I used to talk to him about that, 358 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, But it's also that's 359 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: why he's so successful, because he knows no other speed. Um. 360 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: And so when you go on that fast sometimes you 361 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: can't walk right by somebody or have a quick answer 362 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: because you've got things to do that are that are 363 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: paramounts of trying to be successful in the field. And 364 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's just call. People shouldn't 365 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: respect that and understand that, you know, and you know 366 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: it's not where Erman is a good human being and 367 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: you're not trying to be disrespectful. In my opinion, he's 368 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: not trying to be aloof and he comes across that way. 369 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: I see it as being unintentional. It's because his mind is, 370 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, maybe ten steps ahead of everybody else. It's 371 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: also it's also why he's successful the NFL. I know 372 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: you haven't been around the NFL, but you've followed it, 373 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: and you know, people were you surprised that he chose 374 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: that marriage the NFL. No, you know, just based on 375 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: some of my conversations with him, maybe the last you know, 376 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: six months, right, I just felt I mean not like 377 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying you need to go to the NFL. I 378 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: just felt at the college game. You know, he used 379 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: to talk to him about you know, you were at Florida, 380 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: You're at a high state. He won three. I mean, 381 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: it is winning four going to change your life, you know, um, 382 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: because you know college football can be a grind um. 383 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: And I mean, trust me, I loved what I did. 384 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: There's no woes me here. You know, I loved every second. 385 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: I would change my life right, you know. But as 386 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 1: I sit back and see it, it's different than it 387 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: was when I was in the game. It was different 388 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: than when coach spur when I was working together. Just different. 389 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: And I also know he not the type of guy 390 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: to put his feet up. You know, I really know 391 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: where he would land. I don't think going urban. He 392 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: was gonna land somewhere that was gonna have had a 393 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: quarterback or was gonna have a quarterback, because you know, 394 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: I know how he is. And so again, I've known 395 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: the NFL. Like as I said a fan, I do 396 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: pay attention. I've been around the Jaguars since the day 397 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: they came. Uh, you know, I want them to be 398 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 1: incredibly successful because I know what it means to the city. Um, 399 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: but I'm not surprised, you know, I figured, you know, 400 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: I think urbans fifty six, fifty seven, maybe fifty eight. 401 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to age the urban. If you're older 402 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: than if you're younger than that, I apologize. But you know, 403 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: one more run. I could see having one more run 404 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: in him, and then he's gonna enjoy it and he's 405 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: gonna enjoy his life. And it's pretty much leadership. Trust 406 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: the things we've talked about with him. Focus, you know, 407 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: that translates it. That translates no matter the age, right, 408 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: I mean, on some level, if you can build a culture, 409 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: if you have that sort of focus. I know you 410 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: can't predict the future because the NFL is talking, Yeah, 411 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: but I do think it translates in this regard. Now 412 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: how it does, I don't know. I've never been in 413 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: the NFL walking room. Okay, Um, but I mean somebody 414 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: somebody made that comment to me when Urban first gold Hire. 415 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: You know, some of the stuff he does in college 416 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: is gonna work at that level, and that made me 417 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: true for some of it. Again, I don't know, I 418 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what I mean by saying that it 419 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: could be true. Right, here's there a thing though, you 420 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: know those players in Jackson going again, I'm not being 421 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: disrespectful to any previous coach, anybody. I mean, I'm not 422 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: doing that, but did one in fifteen? Those are professional 423 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: football players, those guys and not they compete and they 424 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: want to win. They can't be happy to be a 425 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: one in fifteen. They want to They want to be 426 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: in the playoffs and you know when the playoffs are 427 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: going on, they want to they want to compete for 428 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: the super Bowl. So I think they buy in completely 429 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: because you know, has this been any fun? Is that 430 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: any fun? Is? It's not any fun for anybody. Losing 431 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: is no fun for anybody. And so you know, you know, 432 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: needing out of trying to make a cultural shift. And 433 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: you know, again, I know urban people don't buy in. 434 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: You know, they probably won't be around very long. And 435 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: that's not that's reality. That's any organization. If Jeremy Folways 436 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: after the director of Florida trying to build a culture 437 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: and I got fifty people buying to my culture and 438 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: five whom don't you know eventually that's not workable, right, 439 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: And I can't have five I'm not saying agree with me. 440 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: Every said that second of the day. But culture of winning, 441 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: culture of going hard, and culture of you know, losing 442 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: is in the rear view mirror. A culture of everything 443 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: we do in the weight room, a culture of how 444 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: we handle ourselves, the way we practice. You know. I 445 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: just think again, if I'm if I'm under contract to 446 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: the Jaguars, I don't care who it is. They can't 447 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: be proud of being one in fifteen. They don't want 448 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: to buy it. They want to win. So everybody does 449 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: at this level, and I assume at that level there too. 450 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: It's maybe an impossible question, but you guys met an 451 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: O four, you and Urban I've seen that, you know, 452 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: or first year working together. What's the biggest change you've 453 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: seen in seventeen years? Well, obviously, you know the fire burns, 454 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: you know, maybe not burn, not the fire to be successful, 455 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: but the fire in the belly about stuff that drives 456 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: you crazy. Maybe Billy Donovan is a totally different dude 457 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: than when I hired him the age of thirty. You know, 458 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: his his res all, his grunt, his desire to win, 459 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: his efforts to win, his focus on winning. That hasn't 460 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: changed one second. That's what verb it will be. You know, 461 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: I think Urban went you know, thousand and four. You know, 462 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: probably some things that seemed really important the time and 463 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: would send him, you know, into a into a tizzy. 464 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: Probably smart enough to realize, you know, that really didn't 465 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: have enough to do. I really had nothing to do 466 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: with us being successful. No different than me when I 467 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: was a d at thirty nine. You know, I was 468 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: a leader in a certain way, and I evolved in 469 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: a way that I felt was much more effective. You know, 470 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, seventeen years is a long time and um, 471 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: many many roads traveled, And I go back to what 472 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: I said earlier. Urban is smart enough to realize that, 473 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, you have to evolve as a leader. You 474 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: can't be the same person you were in two thousand 475 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: and four. You know, he knows what was successful, he 476 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: knows what can be more successful. He's a student. Again, 477 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm not just you know, calling plays and motivating players. 478 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: He's a He's a student of culture. And you know, 479 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: he and I both believe that culture drives winning and um. 480 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: But like any culture, culture has to of old war 481 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: a period of time. The culture that he had here 482 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: in two thousand and fours, I'm sure different than the 483 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: culture he had when he first went to Ohio State, 484 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: and it will be different than what he's building in Jacksonville. 485 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: But there'll be some similarities and there'll be some There'll 486 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: be some lynch pins, trust me, and one of them. 487 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: Effort being one, you know, loyalty being one, um focused 488 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: being one. Those will all be the lynch pins. But 489 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: how he does things and his reaction to certain things, UM, 490 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: Mellow would be not a word that I ever associate with. Um. 491 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: Maybe after a big win, um, maybe after championship he 492 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: and I were blessed to share, you know, several together, Um, yeah, 493 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: and then he was mellow, But then the focus the 494 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: next day was am I gonna win another one? And UM? 495 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: So he's not a mellow very long. UM. Incredible drive, 496 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: and his drive obviously is a key to his success. 497 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: In my opinion, I was gonna ask you how long 498 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: he allowed himself to enjoy the national titles one night? Yeah, 499 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 1: you know, if we did a good job around here 500 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: trying to celebrate those things, because they're hard to do. 501 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: You know, Heinkey and I both believe when you celebrate 502 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: them too long and impact you the following year, there's 503 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, there's a balance there. Uh, but you know, certainly, 504 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: you know, I thought one of my jobs athleticrcors make 505 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: sure any program we had right here when we when 506 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: we want something, we celebrated it. You're not over the top, 507 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: but you know it's very very hard to do, very 508 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: hard to do. So yeah, we celebrated it, but there's 509 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: a time period on that you can't you can't continue 510 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: to you you know, he might have turned the page 511 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: almost immediately and I would I would unturn the page 512 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: by an event or you know, doing something for us 513 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,719 Speaker 1: coaches and making sure we had a big dinner to 514 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: give out the rings. You know that maybe you know 515 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: took several weeks or a month to manufacture. But you know, 516 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: I said, I like him believe if you celebrate it 517 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: too long, you can impact you going forward. Sure, final 518 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: question on these lines, m You mentioned his ability to 519 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: student and his ability to adapt, and I'm not even 520 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: sure this is an answer a question. But it's one 521 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: thing to study it. It's another. It's wanting to know 522 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: you need to adjust to something, but the ability to 523 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: actually do it, if you follow me, like, it's one 524 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: thing to say, okay, I need to change here, but 525 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: he's been able to sort of actually make the changes. 526 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: It is that something that separates and maybe is that 527 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: an intelligence ability to analyze? And maybe I'm getting too 528 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: deep into that, but it strikes me that it's easy 529 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: to say it, but not it's easy to do it. Yeah, 530 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: it's probably true for some people, but again not to 531 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: This isn't a leadership podcast, but you know that's what 532 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: effective leaders can do, right. All effective leaders have egos 533 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: and when you're not willing to adapt, it means you're 534 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: not willing to admit you made a mistake. And a 535 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: lot of people leadership roles. I'm willing to do that, okay, Um, 536 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: And so it hurts them. I mean when I get 537 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: you know, I do some leadership development, I do some 538 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: leadership UM teaching over were at the university here and 539 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: all leaders, I said early have to look in the mirror. 540 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: But you say you can look in the mirror, and 541 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: they not be willing to do it because you know 542 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: they're stubborn. Ego gets in the way. Um, And like 543 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: I said, you have to admit that you something you 544 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: did didn't work. A lot of people in the chair 545 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: aren't willing to do that. You know. I think people 546 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: that the Urban are willing to do it, Billy, I'm 547 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: willing to do it. These Spurs willing to do it. 548 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: You know why, because they want to be incredibly successful, 549 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: and they are smart enough to realize that if something 550 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: they're doing is impact in that result, you know, not 551 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: to keep banging her head against the wall. I wonder 552 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: why we're not you know, you know it's like um 553 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: trying to make a quarterback do something you can't do, 554 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: but you keep trying to do it and you keep 555 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: losing the game and you're not willing to change. What? What? Why? 556 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: You know again? It's it's to me, it's indicative of 557 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: anybody who wants to be a really, really good leader. 558 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: You gotta evolve and change. You gotta raise your hand 559 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: and say, hey, what i'm doing is not working. You 560 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: know what I'm doing, and a better change, or we're 561 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: not going to be successful. And they want to be 562 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: around here and here here's another way to look at it. 563 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: This is the why Urban looks upon it. If I 564 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,239 Speaker 1: don't change and we're not as successful as we need 565 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: to be because of my ego, then then I'm not 566 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 1: doing my job. I'm not doing the job I got 567 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: paid for. I'm not taking care of the organization that 568 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: I work for. I'm not taking care of the gators. 569 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm not taking care of the Jags because I was 570 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: stubborn and I didn't want to admit that I made 571 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: a mistake, you know. I mean, like all people, you know, Urban, myself, somebody, 572 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: it may take a while to get to that point 573 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: because people they have strong convictions and they have strong beliefs, 574 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: and it's worked before. But again, because of Erman's overwhelming 575 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: desire to be successful, he does not like to fail. Um, 576 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: he is going to evolve and realize, wait a minute, 577 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: we need to adapt you. And he is able to 578 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: do that his strength sort of his strengths in my opinions. 579 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: You've mentioned at the top that you're not betting against 580 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: no I mean, and I got I don't bet. I'm 581 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: not allowed to and I never have. But and I 582 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: don't say that flippantly, you know, I just believe that. Um. 583 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: You know, my mom, I've never been on the horses, 584 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: but I think my mom's dad used to. And I 585 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: remember she told me. I actually told me once that 586 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: her dad told her always bet on the jockey, okay, 587 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: and that was his philosophy. And I like that, you know, 588 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: and I remember that forever, and you know, you know, 589 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: you're go in a big ball game, and I got 590 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: Steve spur and sideline or BILLI on the sideline Urban 591 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: the sideline. I used to tell my staff, I'm gonna 592 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: bet on my jockey, and I would tell the jackman 593 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: in the same thing. You know, obviously none of us 594 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: have a crystal ball, um, but just look at his 595 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: track record. He's won a lot of races. You knows, 596 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: did incredible job bowling green obviously, you thought, obviously, fled 597 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: up the house state, you know, perfect bumps in the road. 598 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: You know, things that could have done done are done 599 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: better or different, of course, but you know, the traffic 600 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: record of success is pretty, pretty significant and pretty telling 601 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: in my opinion. You know, he is not a one 602 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: hit wonder. Um, He's he's had it. He's had a 603 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: spring of hits, and I'm i saying it's gonna happen overnight. 604 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of work to do, I imagine again, 605 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: um on the outside looking in, but you know he is, Um, 606 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: I would bet on that job. In one thing, Jeremy 607 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: Foley has hired as many big time college coaches is 608 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: anybody knows coaching, nose leadership. Jeremy, I appreciate you taking 609 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: some time to talk about Urban Meyer and the ozone podcast. 610 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, and it was absolute pleasure catching 611 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: up with you, so honest. Great to see you again 612 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: and it was my honor And obviously I wish everybody 613 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: the best of LUF. Nobody's pulling harder than mat And uh, 614 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: hopefully now I got a guy up there, it might 615 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: be able to get me a ticket. So maybe I'll 616 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: see you around the ball for front let US fans 617 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: in Okay. I would enjoy it very much. Thanks again, Jeremy, 618 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: take care John, thanks for having good luck