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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where, just like

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Speaker 1: our girl Paige Beckers, we always credit the person who

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Speaker 1: Google it friends. It's Thursday, December nineteenth, and on today's show,

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Speaker 1: we'll be chatting with Tessa Bonham and Julia to Cherry,

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Speaker 1: hosts of the Jocks and Jills podcast, about the return

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Speaker 1: of the PWHL, the team with the Best arena dance parties,

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Speaker 1: and Minnesota's turbulent offseason, plus NWSL expansion is headed to

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Speaker 1: the Mile High City. The Vibes Final Four has arrived

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Speaker 1: and two to two gets celebrated on two to two.

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Speaker 1: It's all coming up right after this welcome back Slices.

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Speaker 1: Here's what you need to know today. The NCAA Volleyball

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Speaker 1: Final Four gets underway tonight at the KFCYM Center in Louisville, Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: with back to back semi finals, and it'll be a

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Speaker 1: party of the number one seeds with all four number

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Speaker 1: ones making it. First up, Louisville takes on Pitt at

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Speaker 1: six thirty pm Eastern on ESPN. Pit is competing in

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Speaker 1: its fourth straight NCAA Final Four, but still looking for

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Speaker 1: the program's first ever national title. Then at nine PM,

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Speaker 1: Eastern Penn State matches up against Nebraska, also on ESPN.

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Speaker 1: Those two programs own the second and third most volleyball

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Speaker 1: national titles seven and five, respectively, behind only Stanford's nine.

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Speaker 1: And get this, y'all. According to Nielsen, this year's NCAA

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Speaker 1: Regionals were the most watched on record, averaging four hundred

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Speaker 1: ninety eight percent year over year. That's right, almost one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent increase. Incredible, Plus, the regional semis and finals

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Speaker 1: included five of the most watched regional matches ever. Sunday's

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Speaker 1: a total of seven hundred ninety eight thousand viewers to

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Speaker 1: the NWSL. According to reporting from Sportico and ESPN, the

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Speaker 1: beating out fellow finalists Cincinnati and Cleveland. Per Sportico, the

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Speaker 1: That would be the highest expansion fee in women's sports history.

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Speaker 1: For reference, the NWSL expansion clubs BFC and Boston paid

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Speaker 1: I thought for sure Cincinnati would win the bid because

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Speaker 1: we're gonna hear about it to college hoops. You might

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Speaker 1: recall that after Katelyn Clark finished her college career last April,

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Speaker 1: it only took four days for Iowa to announce that

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Speaker 1: When we come back, earning butter and swimming upstream. It's

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Speaker 1: a PWHL Group Chat with Tessa and Julia. Stick around.

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Speaker 1: It's time for another group chat where we take the

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Speaker 1: Joining us, she's one half of the Jock and Jill's

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Speaker 1: A former professional ice hockey player, she was an Olympic

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Speaker 1: gold medallist as member of Canada's national women's hockey team,

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Speaker 1: shows and movies including Man Seeking Woman, Goon, Letter, Kenny

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Speaker 1: and Shorsey. It's Tessa Bonham. What's up? Tessa?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you did your research. That's way too.

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Speaker 3: It was so good and unlike.

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Speaker 1: My friend Chris Versti, you won Battle of the Blades.

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Speaker 1: Joining her the other half of the Jack and Jill's

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Speaker 1: She spent six years with TSN and bar Down as

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Sarah, thank you so much. First of all,

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Speaker 1: Let's just start. There was that like a historical reenactment

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Speaker 1: The fact that this hasn't come up on your podcast

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Speaker 3: So not only was I yelling shit, I was doing

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Speaker 3: And I have an historical face, said to me. They're like,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, so let's talk about your podcast,

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Speaker 1: since you somehow haven't covered this fertile ground. You had

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Speaker 4: I said, I had done everything. So all I wanted

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Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, it's interesting that you use the kind of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was like one of the main things. That

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Speaker 4: And just to go back to, you know, the point

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Speaker 4: Having been interviewed, I feel like there are moments where

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that a lot from big name women

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Speaker 4: It's pretty funny though now, because is when we are

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Speaker 4: So there's stuff like that where you know, we'renata. I

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Speaker 3: I made it in Toronto Hockey. I'm getting rapped. So

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Speaker 3: I think that they know it's kind of part of

435
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Speaker 3: being a pro and they all kind of welcome it.

436
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Speaker 1: Have you gotten any pushback from the league when you

437
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Speaker 1: have to report something that's bad news about the league

438
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Speaker 1: or that you think the league is airing on or

439
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Speaker 1: making a wrong decision on.

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Speaker 2: Nothing? Really, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I can't remember one time that they've been like pleased,

442
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,679
Speaker 4: don't or we would appreciate if not. And to be honest,

443
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Speaker 4: like we don't even really send our rundown to them

444
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Speaker 4: before we go to air.

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Speaker 1: It will be retroactive if they would be in a

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Speaker 1: Coyeah exactly. Not the quession. You guys are also gonna

447
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Speaker 1: appear in all the PWHL markets this season. You're gonna

448
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Speaker 1: hang out with fans, create some content service, host for

449
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Speaker 1: some special events. Julia, do you have any upcoming events

450
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Speaker 1: or special gigs you can tell us about.

451
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Speaker 3: Okay, well, we got a big run coming in January

452
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Speaker 3: like a lot. We're gonna be everywhere in January. We

453
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Speaker 3: are going to Seattle. Sounds like there's going to be

454
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Speaker 3: some special guests in the mix, I think, influential people

455
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 3: and women's hockey right now in Seattle, so we're hoping

456
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Speaker 3: that we could have a bit of a stop and

457
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Speaker 3: chat with her, and then we go right to Vancouver

458
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Speaker 3: for their takeover game, and then we're going to be

459
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Speaker 3: in Montreal for the CCM Hockey House event, and then

460
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Speaker 3: we're also going to be in Quebec City in January

461
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Speaker 3: for their takeover game. So we're gonna be all over this.

462
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Speaker 3: And we had so much fun in Minnesota with the

463
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Speaker 3: live podcast on the concourse and just getting to talk

464
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Speaker 3: to women's hockey fans. It's so cool to be in

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Speaker 3: that environment. Have you been to a game yet, Sarah, Sorry.

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Speaker 1: I'm no, I haven't.

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Speaker 3: It is such a cool environment, like it feels like

468
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Speaker 3: being at the Eras Tour. It's warm, it's inviting, it

469
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Speaker 3: is everything, and the fans are engaged in a different

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Speaker 3: way than I've experienced hockey fans before, maybe because I

471
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Speaker 3: mostly experienced like anxious Toronto hockey fans that are always

472
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Speaker 3: like watching games and holding their breath. But it's a

473
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Speaker 3: totally different feel, like we're really.

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Speaker 2: Tons of tons of those friendship bracelets. What do you

475
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Speaker 2: call those, Julia, Yeah, friendship bracelets? Friendship I've been collecting. Yeah,

476
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Speaker 2: I've got a couple.

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Speaker 1: Amazing.

478
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Speaker 3: That was so offended when she realized that you had

479
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Speaker 3: to trade friendship bracelets, like she was just saving them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm collecting them.

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Speaker 1: Isn't there one team that does like dance breaks during

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Speaker 1: the intermissions? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Montreal, Montreal.

484
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard about that with Ye and the whole

485
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Speaker 1: place gets.

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Speaker 2: Jumping dance party in there, wild, like they pop the

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Speaker 2: roof off. There is no reason.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, are they trying not to sell concessions because

489
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Speaker 4: they're making stories?

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Speaker 2: Fair?

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Speaker 1: Good point. No, I'm dying to get to a game.

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Speaker 1: I'm bummed we don't have a Chicago team, but I

493
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Speaker 1: will travel to make sure I can get to them. Tessa,

494
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Speaker 1: do you have any sadness at all when you watch

495
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Speaker 1: the games to them that you didn't get the chance

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Speaker 1: to play in the PWHL. I know you played in

497
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Speaker 1: the Canadian Women's Hockey League, but it just feels like

498
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Speaker 1: this is a different time, a different era. To carry

499
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Speaker 1: on the Taylor Swift friendship bracelets we talked about in

500
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Speaker 1: women's hockey, and I'm sure you're happy for them, but

501
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Speaker 1: also like, oh, this would have been fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it would have been cool.

503
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Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's like I get my

504
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 4: part in it now right by doing a podcast. It

505
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Speaker 4: would have been neat too, Yes to have played in it.

506
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Speaker 4: Am I envious?

507
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Speaker 2: I don't even know.

508
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 4: If that's the right word. That feels icky, but like

509
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Speaker 4: I'm just so proud. I'm better, just happy and relieved. Yeah,

510
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 4: like if it was me, awesome, If not, who cares?

511
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Speaker 4: As long as it happens. That's where That's where we

512
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 4: all were at players my age and a bit older,

513
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's just like, can we

514
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 4: just get this party started already? And you know, north

515
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 4: of the border, south of the board. I really don't

516
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 4: think anybody cared who or what or where. We just

517
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Speaker 4: wanted it to happen, and we wanted it to happen properly.

518
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Speaker 4: And the fact that it is now is just like

519
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Speaker 4: kind of a sigh relief, like, thank goodness.

520
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Speaker 2: My daughter finally now A yeah, they know all the

521
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: teams they watched for the highlights. My daughter the other

522
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: morning I played on her podcast. She's a Scepters fan.

523
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Speaker 4: She loves Sarah Nurse and she's two, she's turning three.

524
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 4: She doesn't know who wins or loses. She just like

525
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 4: watches the pictures. Oh she does know when they lose, though,

526
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Speaker 4: well at because my son chooses to inform her. He's

527
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Speaker 4: a Montreal fan and he's like, ha ha, your team

528
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Speaker 4: loss and my daughter the entire morning.

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Speaker 2: So it's cool that they have that though, right, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Love it, And I love that there's a generation growing

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Speaker 1: up with these leagues existing because that's the nostalgia and

532
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Speaker 1: the tradition that so many of us didn't have with

533
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Speaker 1: women's sports, and it's hard to recreate without it being organic.

534
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Speaker 1: So I love that. Okay, let's talk some storylines from

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Speaker 1: this season so far. Very early on, had a couple

536
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Speaker 1: of games and then took a break for the international

537
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: break that only one player ended up being in. But

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Speaker 1: that's a topic for another time. And well, we're turning

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Speaker 1: to action, so let's start with Minnesota because obviously they

540
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: won the inaugural Walter Cup last season, but there was

541
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Speaker 1: a lot of drama after that. Right after they hoisted

542
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: the trophy GM Natalie Darwitz ousted from the team following

543
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Speaker 1: an alleged riff with coach Ken Klee. Then at the

544
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Speaker 1: PWA raft, the team selected Britta Curl, who was booed

545
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: by fans at the draft because of her social media activity.

546
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: She had liked post promoting COVID nineteen conspiracy theories, attacking

547
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: inclusive language towards trans women, and appearing to show support

548
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,239
Speaker 1: for Kyle Rittenhouse. So she has since apologized, but that

549
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: is not exactly the off season you want for the

550
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: inaugural Champs. After that win, Tessa, does it feel like

551
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: or do you have any sense of whether Britta Curl's

552
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Speaker 1: apology was enough for Minnesota fans who weren't excited by

553
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Speaker 1: her being drafted.

554
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Speaker 4: I think apology or not. I think what the league

555
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 4: stands for is inclusivity. And we had Brock mcgilles said,

556
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Speaker 4: I don't know if you know who Brock is. He

557
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 4: is a major leader in the forefront of making sports

558
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Speaker 4: inclusive and just educating And we had him on and

559
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 4: he was like, this is such an opportunity to educate

560
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: and teach somebody who clearly it sounds like to be

561
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 4: a little bit uneducated in this department. I had reached

562
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 4: out and spoken to a lot of her coaches and

563
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 4: former teammates and they gay and straight whatever, and they

564
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 4: were all madly in love with this girl. They said

565
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 4: she was awesome, that one of the best teammates and

566
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 4: leaders they ever had, what a great person. So it

567
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 4: felt like the online personality didn't really match the you know,

568
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 4: offline personality. So there's something going on there where I

569
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 4: feel like, you know, being in this league where no

570
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 4: one settles for anything but being inclusive and for loving

571
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 4: everyone for who they are, is a really good space

572
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 4: for her to not only grow as a player, but

573
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 4: a person as well. And I will say she did

574
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Speaker 4: not get booed in their home opener or banner raising,

575
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Speaker 4: and I don't think she's been booed since Julia. However,

576
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 4: in talking with some of the teammates there, yeah, they

577
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Speaker 4: all you know, have brought her into the locker room,

578
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Speaker 4: made her feel welcome. Like I said, I feel like

579
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 4: it's a true moment of instead of pushing someone away

580
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Speaker 4: and creating more space and more of a riff, it's

581
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Speaker 4: more of an embrace and it's like, come here, just

582
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Speaker 4: let me show you something.

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Speaker 2: Kind of.

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Speaker 4: And I think that just speaks to the value of

585
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Speaker 4: this league, not only you know what it does for

586
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: the players in it, but also for the fans and

587
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 4: the people that you know, watch it and support it.

588
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Speaker 2: As of safe space.

589
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to hold space for people who come

590
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Speaker 1: from maybe a family or a home environment with belief

591
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: systems and things that have kept them sheltered from being

592
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: more educated and involved on those issues and allowed them

593
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Speaker 1: some time. But I also get that it's very difficult

594
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Speaker 1: to be in a locker room and in a space

595
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: and share the ice with someone who fundamentally doesn't believe

596
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: in my existence or my idea, you know that sort

597
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Speaker 1: of thing. So I get that there's probably some conflict

598
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: for a lot of folks, But I think you're right.

599
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: A lot of times in sports we see what we

600
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: call calling in instead of calling out, and that that's

601
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: a better way to get people to see your point

602
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: of view as opposed to demonizing them. They also had

603
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: the issue with their with their GM Julia, And have

604
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Speaker 1: you seen following Darwitz's departure, how Melissa Cruso, their new

605
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: general manager, has transitioned into taking a hold of this team.

606
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Speaker 3: Well, we haven't seen her make a whole bunch of

607
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: moves yet, just because the moves at the draft were

608
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: mostly ken Clease and there hasn't been any movement on

609
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: the actual roster yet. But it seems like she's well

610
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: loved within the market, like she has a ton of

611
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: experience in men's hockey, she has experienced in women's hockey

612
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: as well. Seems like she's well loved. It would have

613
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 3: been hard to continue with a rift between a coach

614
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: and a GM like that just has to be such

615
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: a sacred relationship. PWHL had a third party come in

616
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: and investigate that whole situation and those those results weren't

617
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: made public, but based on that investigation, sounds like the

618
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 3: right person was let go and now the right person

619
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Speaker 3: is in place. It does sound like things are kind

620
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 3: of going swimmingly in Minnesota this year. And aside from

621
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: that ot loss in their first game, like, they have

622
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 3: been amazing to start the season right, like everybody who

623
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 3: just kind of had eyes on them because of all

624
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: that off season drama that you just met. Then the

625
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: first loss, Yeah, okay, what's.

626
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Speaker 1: That first loss? Was? Like?

627
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: In overtime though they had a good game, they needed

628
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: the second win, and then they picked up that second

629
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Speaker 3: win and they just been rolling ever since. So there

630
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: has been a lot of eyes on that team, like

631
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 3: Kendall Coin, your Chicago girl face so much hate this

632
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: summer and we are just like in love with her. Oh,

633
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: she just did the best interview with Kendall Coin Schofield

634
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 3: I have ever heard in my life. It's like one

635
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: of our most recent episodes of the podcast. And I

636
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: don't know, I think that a lot of that drama

637
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: was I don't want to reduce it to noise, but

638
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: I think there might have been more like noise around

639
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: it because there wasn't so much that was revealed to

640
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: the public, and I created a little bit more noise than.

641
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: Maybe that sometimes happens where being more transparent would actually

642
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: help the situation. But also this is something one of

643
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: my producers, Alex is big hockey person and has worked

644
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: in the space a lot and consistently.

645
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: Lower body injury kind of sport.

646
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: Right, it's a lower body But also it's so limited

647
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: in terms of the people who are paid to cover

648
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: women's hockey and who do the work that there can

649
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: be voices that rise to the top even without enough

650
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: information or there can just be a lot of speculation

651
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: that stems from not having access or not having enough

652
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Speaker 1: people doing good vetted reporting, and that allows rumors and

653
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Speaker 1: other things to be the dominant storyline if there isn't

654
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: any like good solid reporting being done. And also I

655
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: think maybe a lesson for the league and the team

656
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 1: that being proactive about getting information out there and having

657
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: it available to good media will end things faster than

658
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: trying to cover it up or trying to not talk

659
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: about it and then let it build and build in

660
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: snowball into something that it never was. If that's indeed

661
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Speaker 1: what this was.

662
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think like her exit just out of respect,

663
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Speaker 4: I think that you know, they didn't really want stuff

664
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Speaker 4: to go public.

665
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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying this like there was something.

666
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 4: Major or bad, but like her exit with the Minnesota

667
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 4: Gophers was the exact same thing, and it caught tereer attraction.

668
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Speaker 2: So you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's it's two very parallel stories with no information.

670
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Speaker 2: So who you get mad at?

671
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: Right?

672
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Speaker 2: And then that's I'm not defending the league here. I

673
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: wanted to know. When I saw she left the Govers,

674
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: I was like, well, hold the phone, what's going on here?

675
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: Why would you ever get rid of it?

676
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Speaker 1: I mean women's sports especially. I feel like we saw

677
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: it with the NWS. There were teams that with intentions

678
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: said thank you so much for your time here, goodbye,

679
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: and then that person got rehired, and then years later

680
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: it came out that they were fired for good reason.

681
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: And if that first team had said we fired this

682
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: person for a good reason, they probably wouldn't have gotten

683
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Speaker 1: hired again and been able to go do the same

684
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Speaker 1: thing elsewhere. So I think in women's sports, especially the

685
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Speaker 1: transparency there. I'm not saying that there's anything that Darwitz

686
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: did that's up to that level. I'm just saying in general,

687
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: there needs to be more communication and willingness to speak

688
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: out about stuff so that we can make sure the

689
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: right people are in the right positions. Let's go to

690
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Speaker 1: the bottom of the standings New York. They were the

691
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: clear sixth place team last year. What are your expectations

692
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Speaker 1: for them this year?

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Speaker 2: Julia, I don't know.

694
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Speaker 3: Me and Tesa like, we're both just about to start

695
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: screaming because we're both obsessed with this team right now

696
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: and watching Alex Carpenter play with sarahiliate. Alex Carpenter is

697
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: like the most serious person in women's hockey. I would

698
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: say when I was between when I would be rinkside

699
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: for Women's World Championship games, and I'd get the okay,

700
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: grab carpeep between periods and'd be like, okay, crack my neck,

701
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: crack my knuckles. Am I going to get a smile

702
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: out of this girl between periods and get her to

703
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: say a few words for me? Not because she's rude

704
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: or anything. She is just serious about her craft and

705
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: she's a little bit stoic. And last year in New

706
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: York it went beyond that. She was extremely pissed off

707
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: all season and you could see it on her face.

708
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: She did not enjoy losing and she did not enjoy

709
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: the way things were last year. And Sarah Phillier, the

710
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: first overall pick, comes into the fold this season, and

711
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: we all expected it to be good, Like we were

712
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: all looking forward to seeing those two play together tests,

713
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Speaker 3: and it just has been beyond what we expected. It's

714
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Speaker 3: like they're making magic on ice.

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Speaker 1: Tess, I want to ask about that. So they get

716
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Speaker 1: the number one pick in Sarah Phillia, but it took

717
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Speaker 1: a while for her to actually sign a contract. It's

718
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: kind of complicated, but can you sort of quickly explain

719
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Speaker 1: what caused that hold up?

720
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So based on my understanding, you know, usually your

721
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 4: first pick or your first overall pick, you're going to

722
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Speaker 4: sign them to a three year deal. And I think

723
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: Sarah with her agent, just saw the trajectory of the

724
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: league and it's like, Okay, well, this isn't going to

725
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: be the cap for the next three years.

726
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Speaker 2: It's likely going to go up every year.

727
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: Let's prove ourselves in year one and signed a one

728
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 4: year deal and then see what happens after that. So

729
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: I feel like any small business, you're just trying to

730
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 4: make the best business move for yourself, and I think

731
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Speaker 4: that's what she did, because she ended up signing a

732
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Speaker 4: one year.

733
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Speaker 1: Deal, right and were they out of three year deals?

734
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Speaker 1: There's only six players?

735
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: Well, they weren't a minimum of six minimum.

736
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Speaker 3: That's a great example of something that was going around online.

737
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: We did a deep bunk on that on our podcast because.

738
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so they have a minimum of six, not only six.

739
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: And so this was an election from her interesting business

740
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Speaker 1: business election. That's great.

741
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Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, he had been so far.

742
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: Betton on yourself and Betton on the league. That's very cool.

743
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Moving over to Boston. We're running out of time here,

744
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: but I want to ask you about Hillary Knight, both

745
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: this season and last year too. So she's been so

746
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: clutched for so long on the international level, but she

747
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: struggled to find the back of the net in PWHL

748
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: games last year, even while she was dazzling for Team USA.

749
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Speaker 1: She's already recorded a couple clutch goals this season in

750
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: the PWHL. So maybe she's back on the up and up.

751
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: But do you have a sense of maybe why there

752
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: was a disconnect betwe mean her performance in p WHL

753
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: and national team Tessa.

754
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 4: She was injured last year. She had uh she actually

755
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 4: we haven't launched this episode yet, but she was in

756
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: fact injured last season.

757
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: I touched on it a little bit. I had heard

758
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: a little rumbling of.

759
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: It, so, but I didn't want to outright say because

760
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 4: she hadn't made any announcement on it yet. However, she

761
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: was going through it last year and it was the

762
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Speaker 4: first season of the p WHL. She didn't want to

763
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Speaker 4: miss it, and rightfully so, she had fought so hard

764
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 4: for that and she was one of the pioneers of

765
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 4: it all.

766
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: So have at it.

767
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: But this season.

768
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Speaker 4: I remember saying to Julia, like she's healthy, like this

769
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 4: is going to be a lookout and yeah, and just

770
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 4: with the national team, I feel like the second you

771
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: throw that jersey on, something just happens.

772
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: It's like trying to.

773
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: Think why it until the gold medal game, Like she

774
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: was crazy in the gold medal game like she does.

775
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, her and who went off.

776
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course, like the talent of the p

777
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: WHL is super high as well, but there is something

778
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: to be said for like how much it elevates your

779
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: personal game when the people you're playing with are able

780
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: to pass, receive passes, play with you and rhythm all

781
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: that stuff.

782
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: So well, that's it, right.

783
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: She had carp with her as well, so it was like, Okay,

784
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: this is going to be something. All you got to

785
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 4: do really is get yourself to the front of the

786
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 4: net and they'll find you.

787
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that's what she did, but.

788
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, if Hillary Knight had the nickname, by the way,

789
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: it would just be a problem. Yeah, like that would

790
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: be a great nickname for Hillary Knight.

791
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: Is just a problem, Canada's problem.

792
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: We love it, we love it. Speed round for some

793
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: two early superlatives. Okay, Julia, which forward line on any

794
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: of the teams has impressed or surprised you the most

795
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: so far?

796
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm going with Eldridge, Carpenter and Philia in New York.

797
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: They are the line this year, and yeah, I'm obsessed.

798
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: I just watched them with hard eyes. Whenever I watch them.

799
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: Tessa, I'll double down on that. However, I'll let's go

800
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 4: to Toronto Scepters. It was at the beginning of the season.

801
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 4: This line has recently changed, but it was Darryl Watts,

802
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 4: Sarah Nurse and Ezzy Daniel. Sarah Nurse was leading the

803
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: charge with two i'll say rookies, even though Wats played

804
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 4: last season, but she's new on the Toronto Scepters. That

805
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 4: line every game they were together, they were creating something

806
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: and I didn't I did not expect them to be

807
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 4: that forceful right.

808
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: Off the hop all right, Tessa, whose game has made

809
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: the biggest jump from last season A player.

810
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: Hillary Knight you mentioned it easily heard, but she has

811
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: the I don't want to say excuse because I don't

812
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 4: like excuses, but she had.

813
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: Explanation the context.

814
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: What about you, Julia, You know what I think Sarah

815
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: Nurse had a really big off season. She's had a

816
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: little bit of a pep in her step to start

817
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 3: the year, So I'm going to go with her Nursey.

818
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: We need to come up with the name for pep

819
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: in your step involving skates, because I don't think you'd

820
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: want to like get pet your step on ice. No,

821
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: you wouldn't glide in your slide slide glide, slide and

822
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: your glid.

823
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: I want to give a shout out.

824
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: That sounds like maybe you had too many vegetables before

825
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: the game.

826
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: That feels like going fast.

827
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, it just showed smelly. But also Dominic Petrie

828
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 4: on the Minnesota Frost. She's a newcomer and she's just

829
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 4: been forced to be reckoned with and she's hilarious. I

830
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: had a chance to interview or two. That kid is funny.

831
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: Cool. Finally, what team is most likely to prevent the

832
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: Frost from repeating? Julia?

833
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: Oh, the parody in this league is crazy? Is what

834
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: I want to just start this with. And I know

835
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: that's such a compound answer, but I truly think that

836
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: any team could win this league. I am going to

837
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: go with New York, though I like the idea going

838
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 3: worse to first and I just think Carpenter was too

839
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: angry last year to not win this year.

840
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 4: Tessa, I'll go with Montreal just based on the fact

841
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 4: that their goaltending and of course Captain Clutch. The way

842
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 4: they went out last year, I don't think Mary Philip

843
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 4: Pulaine company will let happen again. Yeah, and they've got

844
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 4: some serious depth this year.

845
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, Now she's got old married strength. I don't

846
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: know if that's a thing, but we always say old

847
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: man strength, so old married strength. We'll make that up. Okay. Finally,

848
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: very quickly, Julia, tell us one episode of your pod

849
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: to listen to that has a juicy storyline or a

850
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: great interview.

851
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: My favorite episode of our podcast of all time is

852
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: the Emma Malta episode from last season. Emma Malta is

853
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 3: like the most lovable character of all time. She is

854
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 3: also an Ohio State alumni. Not that I am just

855
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: Tessa's but somehow I've taken it on because I spent

856
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: too much goddamn time with Tessa. She's just the funniest

857
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 3: person ever. Her stories about her mom, her stories about college,

858
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: her stories about laminating her eyebrows and getting them all

859
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: messed up. It's electric content.

860
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm gonna download that one. Tessa, how

861
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: about you?

862
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: That we've done already last season.

863
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: I liked Jesse eldridgees. She also is one heck of

864
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: a character.

865
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: The story about how how she got her dog and

866
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: where her dog came from.

867
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: Is what it is.

868
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 3: What it's disturb you looking for her dog?

869
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: Okay, great, so she stole a dog. We'll listen to

870
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: that one, and we will listen to the podcast and

871
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: get more invested in all these fun, great interesting storylines

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Speaker 1: and athletes from this league. Thank you both so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Congrats on your new house, and we're

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much to Tessa and Julia for joining us.

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Speaker 1: We got to take another break when we come back.

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Speaker 1: We lament the loss of one of the most reliable

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Speaker 1: TV sources for fall on the floor, laps and women's

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Speaker 1: sports references. Welcome back. We love that you're listening, but

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Speaker 1: So here's our good game play of the day. Listen

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Speaker 1: to Jocks and Jill's we'll link to the show and

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Speaker 1: the episodes Julie and Tessa mentioned in the show notes

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Speaker 1: and making up to catch a p WHL game this week.

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Speaker 1: If you're in the States, you can watch right on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: So easy. We always love to hear from you. Hit

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Speaker 1: o four fifty seventy and don't forget to subscribe, rate

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Speaker 1: and review It's easy watch Girls five Eva not getting

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Speaker 1: renewed by Netflix. Rating minus infinity stars review. This is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows of all time. This show

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Speaker 1: is veepesque and it's laughs per minent tally and Girls

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Speaker 1: five Eva has been canceled by Netflix. This is the

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Speaker 1: second time this show has been canceled by Morn's, first

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Speaker 1: by Peacock, and then Netflix picked it up for season

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Speaker 1: three and now they canceled it too. What is going on? People?

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Speaker 1: Busy Phillips, one of the stars of the show, set

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Speaker 1: on her doing her best podcast quote, it's dead. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it because if Netflix won't, I will.

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Speaker 1: I guess not enough people watched it or watched it

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Speaker 1: the way that counts, or I don't know I actually

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Speaker 1: just don't know. End quote, but she did leave the

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Speaker 1: door open, saying quote, I don't think it'll ever be

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Speaker 1: dead dead. The characters are too good. I've even joked

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Speaker 1: with the cast like we should do Radio City or

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Speaker 1: turn it into a live stage show, a musical, maybe

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Speaker 1: even Broadway someday. End quote. But she also said something

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Speaker 1: interesting about the name of the show, hinting that it

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Speaker 1: could have been part of the problem for people scrolling

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Speaker 1: and just seeing the show title. She said, quote, I

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Speaker 1: think the name Girls five Ava is amazing and totally right,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's possible it alienates men like straight dudes.

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Speaker 1: Has anyone ever done a study and how women forward

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Speaker 1: titles affect the success of shows? End quote. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they've done a study about the titles, but

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Speaker 1: there is endless research about men being unwilling to watch

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Speaker 1: movies and shows where women are the central characters because

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Speaker 1: they feel like they can't relate, even though girls and

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Speaker 1: women have had to spend their entire lives aligning themselves

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Speaker 1: with these stories and accomplishments and great and epic journeys

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Speaker 1: of men. So uugh, so sad. Side note, By the way,

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Speaker 1: since we've been talking a lot about women's sports references

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Speaker 1: in pop culture. Girls five Ava was one of our

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Speaker 1: favorite sources some of those references. For instance, at one

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Speaker 1: point they read that the dad from the show All

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Speaker 1: My Girls finally died, and one of them says, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, we met when we were both judges at

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Speaker 1: the WNBA layup contest. Another time, Paul Pell's character says,

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of shit to deal with. I'm

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Speaker 1: bad at letting go. I have a SIMS character named

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Speaker 1: Val who's been shooting hoops for twenty years. In season one,

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Speaker 1: the group books a gig singing the national anthem for

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Speaker 1: the quarterfinals of a w NHL game, and then they

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Speaker 1: decide to use a hologram of the one member of

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Speaker 1: the group that died, and then the hologram starts glitching

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Speaker 1: and then they get boot off the ice. It's pretty good,

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Speaker 1: and then of course the Rebecca Lobo cameo. There's this

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Speaker 1: character named Taffy England and she throws a birthday party

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Speaker 1: in which all of the posters from her childhood bedroom

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Speaker 1: come to life, and Rebecca Lobo is one of them.

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Speaker 1: Bring it on gets a shout out too. We even

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Speaker 1: actually had Rebecca on this show, like one of our

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Speaker 1: very first episodes, and we asked her about being on

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Speaker 1: set and meeting all the girls from Girls five EVA.

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Speaker 1: Here's a quick clip from.

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Speaker 5: That one time, Sarah Burrelli's just She's like, I'm going

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Speaker 5: to get coffee. Would you like me to get you

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Speaker 5: some coffee? And then we just ended up having this

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Speaker 5: long conversation about coffee and life and a variety of things,

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Speaker 5: and she could not have been more awesome.

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Speaker 1: Now go back and listen to the whole thing. It

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Speaker 1: was literally episode two of our show, so you have

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Speaker 1: to scroll back in your feed for a while, but

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Speaker 1: it's worth it. The whole conversation is good, but especially

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Speaker 1: her behind the scenes from the show. Anyway, Middle fingers

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Speaker 1: to whoever was in charge of deciding that. Now it's

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Speaker 1: your turn, rate and review. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: where we will finally finally pick a name for ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Good Game, Tessa, Good Game, Julia. You networks that cancel great, funny,

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Speaker 1: smart shows while rolling out season eleventy of so you

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Speaker 1: think you can take a dump? Well? Singing Good Game

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Speaker 1: with Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports production in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find

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Speaker 1: us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Production by Wonder Media Network. Our producers

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Speaker 1: are Alex Azzie and Misha Jones. Our executive producers are

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Speaker 1: Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder. Our

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Speaker 1: editors are Emily Rutterer, Britney Martinez, Grace Lynch and Lindsay Cradowell.

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Speaker 1: Production assistants from Lucy Jones and I'm Your Host Sarah

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