Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the solid Verbal Boys and girls. My
Speaker 4: name is ty Hill, the brand that guy over there.
Speaker 4: My good friend Dan Rubinstein, still in sunny southern California.
Speaker 4: Happy Friday, June the nineteenth. Thank you for stopping on,
Speaker 4: Bye for coming on back to talk more college football.
Speaker 4: We announced it on the Wednesday show we'd be dropping
Speaker 4: a show this Friday. Friday has come.
Speaker 3: Dan and uh, I'm excited about today's show. Well, certainly, Tye,
Speaker 3: I am as well. And that's for a number of reasons. One,
Speaker 3: we get to nerd out. I get to nerd out
Speaker 3: over I guess Oregon football, but not really just offense
Speaker 3: in general, x's and O stuff in general. Joe moorehead
Speaker 3: joining the show. Very excited to catch with him. We
Speaker 3: spoke to him a couple of years ago. But perhaps
Speaker 3: even more importantly for me, ty I just took a coffee.
Speaker 3: Napp oh, I feel great. I feel great. So if
Speaker 3: you want to solve a bunch of world problems right now,
Speaker 3: before we get into news and before we get into
Speaker 3: X's and O's scheme. Ready stuff, Lay it on me,
Speaker 3: Lay it on me. I'm ready.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would also stress that our show is
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't know how that happens. It has happened
Speaker 4: to me using various apps. But every now and again,
Speaker 4: you're right. We got one a couple weeks ago. Gentlemen
Speaker 4: listened and said, Dan, you talk too fast. You got
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Speaker 4: On today's show, we're going to discuss some news tidbits,
Speaker 4: and then we're going to get into a wonderful interview.
Speaker 4: My question for you, though, is am I able to
Speaker 4: play my news hit?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to yell breaking news because I'm just
Speaker 4: I'm not feeling it today, not feeling that chippery yet,
Speaker 4: but we got to introduce the sound back in and
Speaker 4: get things started off on the right foot. Serious subject though,
Speaker 4: to start here. Thirteen Texas players have tested positive for
Speaker 4: COVID nineteen. All thirteen of them are now self isolating.
Speaker 4: Ten more players were identified through contact tracing. They're also
Speaker 4: in self quarantine, but asymptomatic at this time. According to
Speaker 4: a statement from the university, my sense is that this
Speaker 4: is going to be the first and a long line
Speaker 4: of stories that take on a similar tone. We're going
Speaker 4: to see this all over the country, love it or
Speaker 4: hate it. I guess the upshoot for Texas is that
Speaker 4: maybe like a quarter of their teams already had it.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't really know how I feel about this.
Speaker 4: On one hand, I want there to be football. On
Speaker 4: the other I have real serious concerns about whether or
Speaker 4: not they can do it safely. So, you know, we'll
Speaker 4: see where it goes from here. I did see that
Speaker 4: some schools are having guys sign waivers rights things that nature.
Speaker 4: Were kind of wading into this murky almost legal territory
Speaker 4: now because of the ongoing coronavirus risk. So certainly more
Speaker 4: to come on this front. Dan, Yeah, and then the
Speaker 4: waivers are a little tricky. I'm not sure how much
Speaker 4: waivers hold up in court. This is me definite non
Speaker 4: lawyer saying this. But it's also going to be very
Speaker 4: hard to prove if somebody comes down with something that
Speaker 4: you know, a coach or a trainer or a medical
Speaker 4: staff within a football program was negligent on some level,
Speaker 4: and how do you that somebody contracted it from football
Speaker 4: activities or normal everyday academic or social activities. So it's
Speaker 4: definitely a murky territory, I'm saying. You know, some schools
Speaker 4: have been doing better than others in terms of the
Speaker 4: number of kids and the percentage of people testing positive.
Speaker 4: I guess the one real silver lining positive thing is
Speaker 4: this is happening in what mid June, and there is
Speaker 4: at least a runway for schools and training staffs to
Speaker 4: really perfect best practices health wise, you know, whether it's
Speaker 4: the isolating, whether it's treatment, whether it's figuring out new
Speaker 4: protocols to ensure the best possible safety option for athletes
Speaker 4: that are testing positive, be that symptomatic or ace symptomatic.
Speaker 4: So it's good that nobody's having to throw everything together,
Speaker 4: even though nobody's practicing. Right now, there are no football,
Speaker 4: true football activities happening, so once that starts, that's.
Speaker 3: Going to be a whole new situation. But at least
Speaker 3: right now, when you have this voluntary workout period, that
Speaker 3: there are medical steps being taken that can be honed
Speaker 3: and crafted to best protect athletes. That's to me the
Speaker 3: silver lining that you know, there can be some sort
Speaker 3: of well oiled machine by the time things get pretty serious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again I hate to keep saying it, but truly,
Speaker 4: we'll see, We'll see where this goes. We hope everyone
Speaker 4: that contracted this is on the road on the mend,
Speaker 4: on the road to recovery, because scary thing obviously been
Speaker 4: very much in the news here, And hope everyone feels
Speaker 4: better soon. Elsewhere in the world of college football, we
Speaker 4: have Florida making an announcement they are going to stop
Speaker 4: the gatorbait cheer and associated band performance. There's a racist
Speaker 4: history of the term. They announced it on Thursday, so
Speaker 4: you know, given current climate and obviously given the more
Speaker 4: significant nature of the chant and the history thereof, they
Speaker 4: have decided.
Speaker 1: To cease that, which I think is a good move.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems to me make sense. I know, there's
Speaker 3: always going to be pushback and there's going to be
Speaker 3: people out there questioning, like all this sports are canceled
Speaker 3: pretty much, you can't say these very basic, unoffending, non
Speaker 3: offending things. I actually thought our Powell Richard Johnson put
Speaker 3: it really succinctly that Florida out of nowhere created a
Speaker 3: new tradition with Tom Petty, the Tom Petty song they
Speaker 3: played between the third and fourth flowers. It's won't back down.
Speaker 3: There's no reason why they can't just sort of tweak
Speaker 3: and alter. And if Gator Bait has racial undertones that
Speaker 3: people weren't aware of, I know it was associated with
Speaker 3: a prison release and work program that sort of dehumanized
Speaker 3: prisoners in a certain way, I'm fine with it. Like
Speaker 3: just life evolves, things, things change and we move forward.
Speaker 3: And if that includes adding Tom Petty to any sort
Speaker 3: of traditional rotation, fine with that.
Speaker 1: Totally good, totally good, all right.
Speaker 4: And AIA schools are prohibited from playing before September the twelfth,
Speaker 4: which means there have been and some scheduling changes, some cancelations.
Speaker 4: We had Southern against Tennessee State, we had Jackson State
Speaker 4: against Tennessee State, and Southern against Florida A and M
Speaker 4: on September the twelfth. Those games have I guess, been
Speaker 4: what straight up canceled.
Speaker 3: Now they've been straight up canceled. It's something worth monitoring,
Speaker 3: at least for the short term. Obviously, smaller schools are
Speaker 3: going to have less in the way of resources health wise,
Speaker 3: and so they're taking precautions. I just I hope everything
Speaker 3: works out time. That's all I'm hoping for, and I'm
Speaker 3: hoping everybody stays as safe as humanly possible. But yeah,
Speaker 3: those are our first real major cancelations that we've seen,
Speaker 3: even though those are smaller schools. Anytime we have less
Speaker 3: college football because of a situation like this, it is
Speaker 3: worth noting.
Speaker 4: Elsewhere in scheduling news, we have news that Ohio State
Speaker 4: and Alabama have scheduled a home and home dan Yeah
Speaker 4: man in twenty twenty seven and twenty twenty eight. I
Speaker 4: did the math. Nick Saban would be seventy five years
Speaker 4: old for the first of these games.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Will he still be at Alabama when he's seventy five
Speaker 4: years old?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: What a Billy Napier, Luke Fickle matchup, Matt Campbell, Jeremy
Speaker 3: Pruitt or Mario Christobal matchup. It I couldn't see either coach,
Speaker 3: especially if Ryan Day continues his trajectory at this point
Speaker 3: and having the brief NFL past he has. It feels
Speaker 3: like a two different coach matchup. By the way, though Ty,
Speaker 3: this is all burying the most important part of this,
Speaker 3: which is hell yeah, hell yeah in Alabama playing at home
Speaker 3: and home. That is going to be enormous. That is
Speaker 3: going to be so incredibly fun to watch, just for
Speaker 3: the energy in the stadium when you have I can't
Speaker 3: remember the last time too. I mean, we've had some
Speaker 3: Clemson Georgia matchups, but neither one of those teams were
Speaker 3: really really national title contenders at the same time when
Speaker 3: they were matching up. I don't believe USC and Alabama
Speaker 3: played and have will continue to play hopefully this year,
Speaker 3: but they haven't really crossed over as national powers. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to remember the last time two national powers, true
Speaker 3: national powers that ended up playing at the start of
Speaker 3: a season in September. And we're also looking like they
Speaker 3: could be November names because I do like a literation
Speaker 3: at the same time, so hopefully that's still the case
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight, Ty, you will
Speaker 3: be well into your forties.
Speaker 4: Yep, yep, I'm looking at it right now here. I'm
Speaker 4: doing some backup the Napkin math, and if I am correct, yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll be in our forties. But this could potentially be
Speaker 4: a matchup between a fifty seven year old Dabo Sweeney
Speaker 4: and a oh my god, thirty five year old Tommy Reese.
Speaker 1: Never know whoaver know?
Speaker 3: Good math, Ty, good math. And then I think I
Speaker 3: saw Wazoo and Mississippi State have scheduled a home and
Speaker 3: home twenty thirty two thirty.
Speaker 1: I will not be there for that game. No say
Speaker 1: that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and agree with
Speaker 3: you on that one tie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he won't be there.
Speaker 4: And finally, for our new segment this evening, Duke's Mayonnaise.
Speaker 4: Initially I read this as the school Duke They're mayonnaise,
Speaker 4: But apparently Duke's Mayonnaise is a brand.
Speaker 3: What do you mean? Apparently? Come on?
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Really, you didn't know Duke's Mayo. It's a famous mayo brand.
Speaker 3: I never heard of Duke's. I've heard of Helman's. Wait
Speaker 3: until I introduced it a Japanese Mayo tie.
Speaker 4: New title sponsor of the regular season college football game
Speaker 4: and postseason bowl game played in Charlotte. They are taking
Speaker 4: over for Belk, which means Dan that on September the
Speaker 4: twenty sixth, at Bank of America Stadium, the Duke's Mayo
Speaker 4: Classic will feature Wake Forest and the Notre Dame fighting
Speaker 4: Irish So great. I've been part and part sold to
Speaker 4: a Pinstripe Bowl, and now it looks like I'm going
Speaker 4: to get a Duke's Mayo Classic that I can talk
Speaker 4: about as well.
Speaker 3: Somebody send us a Duke's Mayo Classic hat, Please, please please.
Speaker 3: I don't know I they're gonna be selling them in
Speaker 3: bookstores for what is it, late September, a late September matchup,
Speaker 3: but please do send it to us. And it's too
Speaker 3: bad Mike Elco is not a part of it, having
Speaker 3: made that journey from Winston Salem to South Bend.
Speaker 4: The Duke's Mayo Bowl will be held at Bank of
Speaker 4: America Stadium as well. Obviously we'll figure out who plays
Speaker 4: in that game, typically between teams from the ACC and
Speaker 4: the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the SEC.
Speaker 3: You a Mayo guy.
Speaker 4: In SI I know it can be very divisive, divisive
Speaker 4: on social media. Yeah, in in spots. I've been places
Speaker 4: around the country where they're very aggressive with their Mayo.
Speaker 1: I'm not an.
Speaker 4: Aggressive Mayo type, but mixed in with a good like
Speaker 4: burger sauce or sure, something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, potato salad. Are you good with that?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay.
Speaker 4: Need the right proportion though, of Mayo. If you're over
Speaker 4: the top with it, I'm I'm not interested, But I
Speaker 4: think in my old age here, I've come around on it.
Speaker 3: I do like Mayo a good deal. Ty, I do
Speaker 3: like Mayo a good deal. Burger sauce, non burger sauce,
Speaker 3: potato salad, turkey sandwich. Hit me with some Mao for sure,
Speaker 3: I'm in.
Speaker 1: So here is the deal.
Speaker 4: You can always email us at solid verbal at gmail
Speaker 4: dot com let us know what you think about what
Speaker 4: we have to say and where we should go next.
Speaker 4: We're always interested in your feedback. But one of the
Speaker 4: things that we've gotten time and again during the off
Speaker 4: season is folks want to talk more with coaches and
Speaker 4: hear more from the guys who are calling the plays
Speaker 4: and drawing up the schemes.
Speaker 1: And we've got one of those today.
Speaker 3: Don't we not just we've got a pretty major one too.
Speaker 3: And Joe Morehead, who not just from what he's accomplished.
Speaker 3: Be it at way back when at u Con, yes
Speaker 3: on the Jordan Toddman twenty ten offense, that's the Joe
Speaker 3: Morehead offense. Tie at Fordham took over a team that
Speaker 3: went one to ten and led them to Patriot League glory.
Speaker 3: And then we all remember what he did at Penn
Speaker 3: State with Trace McSorley and Saquon Barkley and your guy what,
Speaker 3: Mike Gaziki, Yeah, that's your secret guy, Kans Gasicki, Hans Gacicki.
Speaker 3: It didn't work out at Mississippi State, but certainly a
Speaker 3: star like Kylon Hill thrived during Joe Moorehead's time in
Speaker 3: Mississippi State. And now he is the current offensive coordinator
Speaker 3: recently hired for my Oregon Ducks, so it really he
Speaker 3: does bridge the gap. I live in New York, home
Speaker 3: of Fordham, New York's wuntter team, and then he's at
Speaker 3: Penn State in Oregon, so it's as close I would
Speaker 3: assume as a coach who can bridge the college football
Speaker 3: gap between us, right?
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think that's right.
Speaker 4: I'm excited about this interview again, going out to Instagram,
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Speaker 4: us know your thoughts at to the fact. But without
Speaker 4: further ado, Dan, shall we dive.
Speaker 3: In and with that I welcome in brand new Oregon
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator formerly of Mississippi State, Penn State, and obviously,
Speaker 3: most importantly the fordum Rams, Joe moorehead. I guess first,
Speaker 3: how'd the cross country move go? During a pandemic?
Speaker 2: We bought an RV and packed everyone in including the dog,
Speaker 2: and made the forty four hour drive just under a week.
Speaker 2: But it was There are some National Lampoon vacation moments,
Speaker 2: but overall it was a positive experience.
Speaker 3: This is with wife and with kids all in the
Speaker 3: same car.
Speaker 2: Like two kids and a dog in an RV.
Speaker 1: Yesser.
Speaker 3: So other than everything, how is your job right now?
Speaker 3: How is your profession? I imagine night and day from what
Speaker 3: you're used to at least this time of year.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been surreal in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: You know, things were going kind of as it was,
Speaker 2: standards kind of operating procedure off until our four spring
Speaker 2: ball practice, and that's when everything kind of hit. Things
Speaker 2: started getting shut down, and I had already a plan
Speaker 2: to go back to Mississippi for spring break because the
Speaker 2: family was still there finishing out the school year. Right
Speaker 2: since that time, everything's been virtual doing everything, you know, recruiting,
Speaker 2: position meetings, all that stuff on zoom, and it's just
Speaker 2: been you know, it's like you said, it's been a
Speaker 2: crazy time.
Speaker 3: So things don't work out in Starkville, which I'm sure
Speaker 3: leaves you disappointed, to say the least. What kind of
Speaker 3: timeline do you have to sort of process things there,
Speaker 3: reflect on everything, and then figure out what's next from
Speaker 3: both I guess a coaching and family perspective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can make the argument. I mean,
Speaker 2: ultimately it didn't work out because I was let go,
Speaker 2: but I'm certainly proud of the things we did there. You know,
Speaker 2: average seventh a year, which was just as many as
Speaker 2: my predecessor. My two year record was one game better
Speaker 2: in the regular season than the two years before I arrived.
Speaker 2: Two bowls, three top twenty five recruiting classes, two wins
Speaker 2: over the top twenty five teams. So I keep my
Speaker 2: head held high and proud of what we did with
Speaker 2: the kids. But you know, things happened this profession and
Speaker 2: you know that's those things you just have to deal with.
Speaker 2: But you know, as a family, we kind of regrouped,
Speaker 2: you know, after I got let go. You know, it
Speaker 2: wasn't a very long amount of time before people at
Speaker 2: the college level, in the NFL level were reaching out
Speaker 2: with opportunities, and you know, as a family, we felt
Speaker 2: Organ was just the best choice to move forward.
Speaker 3: Why was that?
Speaker 2: I think it was a combination of things. Location a
Speaker 2: coach for Crystal Ball, and the culture and the mindset
Speaker 2: and the mentality he's brought out here, you know, the town,
Speaker 2: on the roster and you know, I've been a part
Speaker 2: of four conference championships at the last five schools I've
Speaker 2: been at, and I really think that Organ was once
Speaker 2: again with the talent, with the culture, the conference, you
Speaker 2: are kind of on the precipice there of you know,
Speaker 2: of you know, cracking into that that that final four,
Speaker 2: and that's one thing and twenty two years of coach
Speaker 2: and I haven't had an opportunity to is play for
Speaker 2: the for the big one, so you know that was
Speaker 2: kind of part of the lure as well. Well.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, now you're also in a situation,
Speaker 3: maybe for the first time, you're joining a program already
Speaker 3: on top of its conference. What's what's what's the interview process? Like,
Speaker 3: what's what's that conversation when you don't need to go
Speaker 3: in and say I'm going to overhaul things by doing X,
Speaker 3: Y and Z, I'm going to dramatically fix an offense,
Speaker 3: but rather, here's how I can give it a new
Speaker 3: sort of punch. What's that conversation?
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, it's kind of funny. I haven't really not
Speaker 2: thought of that. You know, at Mississippi State, you know,
Speaker 2: hadn't had a had had one winning conference record in
Speaker 2: I think twenty one years, I believe, and hadn't won
Speaker 2: the conference since nineteen forty one. So that was certainly
Speaker 2: something we were looking to try to try to build,
Speaker 2: you know, into a championship program. And at Penn State,
Speaker 2: you know, we were you know, coach had done a
Speaker 2: great job during those turbulent times of I think six
Speaker 2: and six back to back years and then we kind
Speaker 2: of broke through there and then it fored them. So
Speaker 2: you know, that's not something I thought, but in the
Speaker 2: interview process, it really kind of wasn't about that, and
Speaker 2: Oregon had been successful last year offensively, But what can
Speaker 2: we do when coach uses a term to elevate the standard?
Speaker 2: You know, what can we do offensively not only to
Speaker 2: keep the ship rolling, but to improve upon it?
Speaker 3: Something I think is fascinating hearing some head coaches talk
Speaker 3: about bringing a coordinator in to run the team system,
Speaker 3: not necessarily the coordinator system. And so, now that you're
Speaker 3: on the job, do you get the sense that Oregon
Speaker 3: fans will see a familiar offense with your spin on it,
Speaker 3: or like a capital J Joe morehead offense, however that's defined.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that the change won't be as
Speaker 2: visible to the casual fan as it was at Penn State,
Speaker 2: where it was more of a conversion between a pro
Speaker 2: style and a spread. I think a lot of the
Speaker 2: personnel groups, I think it'll it'll look most similar in
Speaker 2: the run game to Oregon from twenty nineteen. I think
Speaker 2: the biggest difference you'll see is in the past game
Speaker 2: of some of the r PO things. But you had
Speaker 2: incredibly experienced and talented staff, you know, coach Maria Ball,
Speaker 2: coach Williams, coach Mastro, you know, bringing in coach McClendon
Speaker 2: from South Carolina and coach Chris of Ball's expertise is
Speaker 2: the offensive line, and they ran the heck out of
Speaker 2: the ball last year. You know, we had the SEC's
Speaker 2: leading rusher and I think we're second, second or third
Speaker 2: in a league in rush in two years in a row.
Speaker 2: And then you know, going back to Penn State and
Speaker 2: Fordham even before that, you know, we want to be
Speaker 2: able to run the ball successfully, but I think you know,
Speaker 2: our willingness and ability to throw the ball down the
Speaker 2: field in the pass game, that'll probably be the biggest
Speaker 2: thing that that is probably a difference that people will see.
Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say, I'm sure there's a
Speaker 3: common thought among Oregon fans or college football fans paying attention.
Speaker 3: You know, if Joe moorehead can do what he did
Speaker 3: it for sa Quon Barkley or Kylon Hill or Chase
Speaker 3: Edmonds going back to Foridam, Mike Sick, you know whoever.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's something you've spoken to in job interviews.
Speaker 3: But how much of your thinking is that's what we
Speaker 3: did because we had those guys, and how much is
Speaker 3: this is who I am as a coordinator depending on
Speaker 3: what kind of guys I have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a combination of both. Ultimately, it's
Speaker 2: it's players not plays. It's it's not what the coaches know,
Speaker 2: it's what the players can execute. So you know, CJ. Verdell,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously a great offensive line, you know, breaking
Speaker 2: in a new quarterback, some great tight ends, a good
Speaker 2: receiving corpse, so we you know, I went watched every
Speaker 2: snap of Wargan season last year offensively, and then you know,
Speaker 2: we met for a long time as the staff heading
Speaker 2: into springball. Got through four installs. So I'm very confident,
Speaker 2: and you don't want to be stubborn or hard headed,
Speaker 2: but I think it is a good mesh of the
Speaker 2: scheme that I and we as a staff would like
Speaker 2: to run relative to the personnel.
Speaker 3: That we have.
Speaker 2: You know, Mississippi State we had to be more run
Speaker 2: heavy because that's where we were strong. But I think
Speaker 2: we have an opportunity here to be bounced, just like
Speaker 2: everywhere else. So I mean maybe outside of Yukon, we
Speaker 2: were probably a little run heavy at.
Speaker 3: Yukon, and as well you should. I mean, Jordan Toddman
Speaker 3: had a fantastic season.
Speaker 2: To Anthony Sherman, I mean, I mean that offensive line.
Speaker 2: I think you know, nine Dixon and Todblin were the
Speaker 2: only two thousand yard rushers that were on a non
Speaker 2: option based team, and then Jordan was one of the
Speaker 2: top rushers in the country in that ten season. But yeah,
Speaker 2: they're phenomenal backs. And I think Sharm's still in the league,
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3: How do you start to evaluate new players, new personnel.
Speaker 3: Obviously with Mario Christobaul's background and you have the returning
Speaker 3: Outland Trophy winner and Panae sewell, are you looking at
Speaker 3: things from the inside out and saying, this is what
Speaker 3: we have on the line, this is how it will
Speaker 3: dictate what we do as we look at the passing game,
Speaker 3: as we look at the running game. You know, do
Speaker 3: you have a luxury that you are dealing in such
Speaker 3: a I guess an offensive line forward grouping at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think games are one up front, regardless of
Speaker 2: the of the league. You know, mose to four or
Speaker 2: five starters, you know, that's something where we feel comfortable
Speaker 2: with the people who are replacing them. It's just right
Speaker 2: now excoose me a lack of repetitions. But if you're
Speaker 2: going to start somewhere with an anker the outlet trophy,
Speaker 2: there's certainly a good spot. So, you know, we feel
Speaker 2: good about the guys that we have. It's just a
Speaker 2: matter of getting them, getting them practice and reps in
Speaker 2: the system, and hopefully we'll be able to do that
Speaker 2: sometime soon.
Speaker 3: You mentioned changing what the passing game will look like.
Speaker 3: That'll be the thing that looks most different. What did
Speaker 3: you see. I mean, obviously Justin Herbert gets taken in
Speaker 3: the top ten and then they finish really successfully this season.
Speaker 3: What did you see from the passing game last year?
Speaker 3: And where did you see I suppose opportunity for evolution.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things is we went back and
Speaker 2: kind of watched the game tapes and watched the cutups.
Speaker 2: Is I think that Oregon was really proficient in the
Speaker 2: screen game last year, and not just bubble screens, but
Speaker 2: double screens, wide receiver screens. You know, a bunch of
Speaker 2: really neat stuff there. And then some things in the
Speaker 2: play action game that I thought were We're you know,
Speaker 2: very efficient and effective. And I think that the part
Speaker 2: what we're going to try to improve the most is
Speaker 2: I we want to be balanced, we want to be efficient,
Speaker 2: and then the thing we need to prove on the most.
Speaker 2: I think these explosiveness, you know, our ability to take
Speaker 2: advantage where people are crowded line of scrimmage, you know,
Speaker 2: and creating one on one matchups on the outside to
Speaker 2: scheme it up and get that thing thrown over.
Speaker 3: People said, essentially, what you are is a teacher, and
Speaker 3: obviously as a teacher, you're only going to be as
Speaker 3: successful as your students are at learning and applying. So
Speaker 3: you're obviously tasked with both coaching and finding players to coach.
Speaker 3: How do you how do you find and develop good learners?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think part of that comes into in the
Speaker 2: recruit process, you know, as you're going through and evaluating guys,
Speaker 2: and it's not just you know, the height, the weight, speed,
Speaker 2: the football ability, but you know, how much do they
Speaker 2: love football? What's your IQ relative to the game and
Speaker 2: their commitment to the preparation aspect of it. But uh,
Speaker 2: you know, to me, you've got to teach to the
Speaker 2: understanding of the guy in the room who understands it
Speaker 2: the least and kind of work from there. So you're right,
Speaker 2: and I hold that kind of title was a teacher
Speaker 2: with great respect, And I think you really if they're
Speaker 2: not getting it. Generally speaking, it's not the player, it's
Speaker 2: the coach. So you got to find a way in
Speaker 2: a generation where kids all learn differently and most effectively
Speaker 2: kind of communicate the information.
Speaker 3: How do you get a sense for I suppose what
Speaker 3: players already know when you're coming into a new program,
Speaker 3: and obviously you know they spoke a different language last year.
Speaker 3: They certainly every every coach teaches differently, so they learned
Speaker 3: in a different way. Perhaps, how do you get a
Speaker 3: sense for what they already know? And is that important
Speaker 3: or do you like, you know, starting from square one
Speaker 3: with everybody, so everybody's on the same page.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of it's trans and you'll start with
Speaker 2: bigger group meetings and kind of talk about general philosophy
Speaker 2: and you know, you know, broad strokes ideas, and then
Speaker 2: break it down into your positions and hey, you know
Speaker 2: we're running this play and this is who we're reading
Speaker 2: or this is what we call this coverage? What did
Speaker 2: you call it? And just kind of ask more open
Speaker 2: ended questions for them to explain, you know, rather than
Speaker 2: talking talking with them rather than at them. And I
Speaker 2: think when you have a good discourse and dialogue in
Speaker 2: the room. You know, generally speaking, that that provides the
Speaker 2: coach or a teacher with a pretty good base of understanding,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of kind of fundamentally technique wise and
Speaker 2: scheme wise as well.
Speaker 3: Do you ask those same questions in the recruiting process
Speaker 3: to get a sense for players? Obviously you're both trying
Speaker 3: to convince them to come play for you, but at
Speaker 3: the same time you're trying to convince yourself that they
Speaker 3: would make sense as as a person in your program.
Speaker 3: Are you asking them questions to get a sense of
Speaker 3: how they would respond to what you would ask of them.
Speaker 2: I think you tried to as much as you can,
Speaker 2: but I do think it's in my opinion, most critical
Speaker 2: critical at the quarterback position. With what you're asking kids
Speaker 2: to do at this level, and not just in the
Speaker 2: past game, but then the run game, there has to
Speaker 2: be a certain level of commitment to the preparation aspect
Speaker 2: of it is. I tell them it's not a position,
Speaker 2: it's a lifestyle, and you can be good and be
Speaker 2: a part time quarterback, but the ones who generally exceed
Speaker 2: and excel. And there was a real good article I
Speaker 2: read online a couple of days ago by kind of
Speaker 2: somebody the measurable and kind of statistics go into a
Speaker 2: kid in this high school senior year, and then how
Speaker 2: that carries on through college and into the pros and
Speaker 2: certainly some that's going to be subjective, some of that's
Speaker 2: going to be objective. But you try to make is
Speaker 2: informed a of an evaluation as you can.
Speaker 3: Where do you think you've gotten stronger, Where do you
Speaker 3: think you've gotten better? As somebody looking for quarterbacks and
Speaker 3: you know, looking what looking for what traits matter to you?
Speaker 3: Where what does your evolution look like as a as
Speaker 3: a quarterback and recruiting evaluator.
Speaker 2: I think it's compiling all the information and then you know,
Speaker 2: getting the kid on campus, and there's something to having
Speaker 2: a kid in the room looking out of my eye
Speaker 2: and just kind of getting the feel of that. You know,
Speaker 2: I said, when a quarterback walks in the room, you shouldn't
Speaker 2: have to ask this a quarterback now that that's not
Speaker 2: the deal breaker. But you know, you talk about the
Speaker 2: height to weight, the speed, and then there's a series
Speaker 2: of things in our evaluation process arm strength, touch, accuracy,
Speaker 2: you know, poison the pocket. You know, I want to
Speaker 2: know their record, I want to know completion, percentage, touchdown,
Speaker 2: interception ratio, you know, rushes yards, touchdown, all those things,
Speaker 2: and it's uh, you know it's and that's what I
Speaker 2: guess they call it the inexact science. You know you
Speaker 2: miss sometimes, but you try to make, like I said,
Speaker 2: as informed of a decision as you can based on
Speaker 2: all the information that's available.
Speaker 3: Will you, when you're recruiting, will you show cut ups
Speaker 3: to a receiver, a running back, a quarterback and say
Speaker 3: this is how we you know, this is how we're
Speaker 3: going to use you in at the exposition and we're
Speaker 3: going to hammer you hammered defense is using this route?
Speaker 3: Will you? Will you sort of give that visual element?
Speaker 3: Does that seem to help?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, particularly when you're coming from a place where
Speaker 2: you know you weren't there the year before. And uh,
Speaker 2: you know, guys want to know about and rightfully so
Speaker 2: utilization in the scheme and you know there's no better way.
Speaker 2: And we have you know, film from all the different
Speaker 2: places I've been and backing it up by statistics and numbers,
Speaker 2: and you know, when they can kind of it's easy
Speaker 2: to tell them, uh, and talk about what kids, what
Speaker 2: you recall from what you hear, you know, what you
Speaker 2: repeat what you write down. I think they call the
Speaker 2: modalities learning, but I think for them to visually see
Speaker 2: it on the screen. Okay, here's the ex receiver, here's
Speaker 2: the route, here's what it's called. Here's here how we're
Speaker 2: going to get you the ball. And this is what
Speaker 2: the production of this position has been.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's it provides. You talk about decision
Speaker 2: making criteria, It provides the kid, you know, the information
Speaker 2: he needs each relatively scheme.
Speaker 3: One of the things you're credited with, and I think
Speaker 3: rightfully so, is popularizing and taking the RPO game and
Speaker 3: moving it forward, be it at Fordham, be it at
Speaker 3: Penn State, wherever, and when you look at and there's
Speaker 3: a school of thought now that running backs are as
Speaker 3: important as ever, but not necessarily because the running game
Speaker 3: is as important as it's ever been, but more the
Speaker 3: versatility of a running back, the ability to create mismatches
Speaker 3: out of a running back, is more important than ever.
Speaker 3: Is that something you subscribe to that perhaps running the
Speaker 3: ball isn't what it used to be, but the value
Speaker 3: of the running back is as important as it's ever been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if a guy has that kind of
Speaker 2: positional flexibility, to have a catch the ball out of
Speaker 2: the back of the lineup in the slot. That makes
Speaker 2: you suffer to defend. But historically we've been you know,
Speaker 2: a team that wants to get the ball to the back,
Speaker 2: you know, in a traditional way. But also in year two,
Speaker 2: you know, Penn State, where people were crowd in the box,
Speaker 2: we had to find ways to get saquant on a
Speaker 2: perimeter like you remember from the Michigan game or some
Speaker 2: of the others up in the slot. We were able
Speaker 2: to really grow some things in the RPO game at
Speaker 2: Mississippi State that you know, to the casual like I said,
Speaker 2: people may not even know it's an RPO, but to me,
Speaker 2: the RPO system is really designed to improve your rushing
Speaker 2: and then take advantage of throws when people are over crowdy,
Speaker 2: use a lot of scrimmage.
Speaker 3: Something that's and you mentioned that the sort of the
Speaker 3: positionless aspect, and it used to be that a tweeter
Speaker 3: type player was seen as a negative or a weakness,
Speaker 3: and now it's almost an opportunity to find a position,
Speaker 3: to find a challenger, to find multiple positions to to
Speaker 3: sort of feature that player. Almost like in basketball, how
Speaker 3: you have you know, teams going small. Is that something
Speaker 3: that can be developed or are taught, or do you
Speaker 3: just need to get lucky with a player built a
Speaker 3: very specific way.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the two positions you've probably seen that show
Speaker 2: up the most is quarterback, where you have you have
Speaker 2: the kind of the dual threat guys I mean who
Speaker 2: are able to beat it with their arms and their legs.
Speaker 2: I think where you're seeing it the most. I think
Speaker 2: we've done a pretty good job is at tight end,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, where their traditional you know,
Speaker 2: got a three point stance, you know, next to the tackle.
Speaker 2: You know, blocking two back power fifty times a game.
Speaker 2: You know those days are just about over, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. But guys like Mikeasicki, Travis Kelce, you know,
Speaker 2: all those guys who can do those things, but also
Speaker 2: line up off the ball, line up in the spot
Speaker 2: you know, line up is one or two and get
Speaker 2: those mismatches. I think you know, the tight end position
Speaker 2: is the one that's really allowing offenses to have a
Speaker 2: great deal of flexibility without changing personnel.
Speaker 3: Would you say that's a priority, and what you're looking
Speaker 3: to do at Oregon is really maximize what the tight
Speaker 3: end can do in the offense.
Speaker 2: I do, and you know, we've got a bunch of
Speaker 2: good ones, and unfortunately we've only had four practices to see,
Speaker 2: but I think we we did the study. I think
Speaker 2: over the last ten years, the tight ends to this
Speaker 2: offense of average forty five catches a year. So it's
Speaker 2: always been a very integral part of our system. And
Speaker 2: not just like I said, because they have to block,
Speaker 2: back alignment and catch like a receiver. So anytime you
Speaker 2: can find those mismatches and you know, create create opportunities
Speaker 2: for those guys and get the ball down the field,
Speaker 2: I think that's always important.
Speaker 3: You've now had a number of assistants and gas and
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people now know about, you know,
Speaker 3: the coaching relationship and the friendship you have with Joe
Speaker 3: Brady who was so successful for LSU last year. They
Speaker 3: go on to become coordinators and head coaches and really succeed.
Speaker 3: And you've worked with a lot of successful people on
Speaker 3: both sides of the ball. How much of your creative
Speaker 3: relationships with former colleagues continue when you're no longer working
Speaker 3: together in the same room together, Like, will you watch
Speaker 3: tape of what they're doing and how they're tweaking maybe
Speaker 3: something they learned with or from you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everybody saw enough of LSC the Last life.
Speaker 2: But I was actually I was actually texting with with Joe,
Speaker 2: with Joe Brady today a little bit earlier. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at the guys in that ped
Speaker 2: State room, and you know, coach Huf at Alabama, Ricky's
Speaker 2: now the head coach at Odu, Josh at at Michigan,
Speaker 2: Joe Brady, I mean, and so on down the line.
Speaker 2: Those are the great things about the profession. That's not
Speaker 2: just the wins and the losses and all those things,
Speaker 2: but the relationships that you form. And you know, I've
Speaker 2: just been very fortunate to work for a bunch of
Speaker 2: great head coaches and then also have a bunch of
Speaker 2: great guys, you know, on our offensive staffs who have
Speaker 2: kind of taken the system and kind of tweaked it
Speaker 2: to their own and grown to have a ton of success.
Speaker 2: That's that's very rewarding.
Speaker 3: What's your idea collection process? Like, obviously it's it's players
Speaker 3: overplay something you mentioned earlier, But are you constantly scouring?
Speaker 3: Do you have gas and you know quality can troll
Speaker 3: guys and you know analysts. Are they constantly scouring? Are
Speaker 3: you telling people to look for you know, what is
Speaker 3: this team had a ton of success in the passing game?
Speaker 3: Would you give me some cutups?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 3: Is that like a year long process? Is that an
Speaker 3: off season process? What is what does that creative collection
Speaker 3: look like for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of went to the wayside a little
Speaker 2: bit this year, just because I'm sure however called. But
Speaker 2: that's that's usually when during the month of the spring
Speaker 2: evaluation period, kind of that last two weeks April and
Speaker 2: May is when you kind of forge the gas in
Speaker 2: the analysts, and we usually talk about it and say,
Speaker 2: all right, these are the teams that we want to study.
Speaker 2: And while we're out on the road recruiting, those guys
Speaker 2: are breaking down the film. And then when you come
Speaker 2: back in June, after you watch your own cutups, then
Speaker 2: you do your off season studies, and then as you're
Speaker 2: building your menu for Paul Camp, that's usually when you
Speaker 2: integrate some of the ideas of the teams that you studied,
Speaker 2: and you know there's a scheme or two or three.
Speaker 4: That are.
Speaker 2: Kind of you know, fit what you do. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of tremendous ideas out there, but a
Speaker 2: lot of them are just great. You just got to
Speaker 2: make you want to make sure not only you studying
Speaker 2: the right people, but they're ones that if you're going
Speaker 2: to incorporate the idea, that that it's relatively seen, will
Speaker 2: send to your scheme.
Speaker 3: So I assume you've had some time on your hands.
Speaker 3: Who have you watched? Who have you been impressed by?
Speaker 3: If if you've had the opportunity to watch any cutups,
Speaker 3: we haven't.
Speaker 2: We've I've been doing more opponent study and watching ourselves
Speaker 2: and then off season study just because there's not going
Speaker 2: to be time to integrate it, you know, And that's
Speaker 2: the one thing, you know, talk to some people there.
Speaker 2: You've really got to be judicious in your approach. Now
Speaker 2: with no springball, you get some walk throughs, then you
Speaker 2: get Paul Camp. You know, you're really I don't think
Speaker 2: personally you're going to be able to expand the idea base,
Speaker 2: particularly with the year one offense. You're going to need
Speaker 2: to kind of narrow it down to get the necessary
Speaker 2: reps you know, during camp to kind of hit the
Speaker 2: ground run in week one.
Speaker 3: So not for Oregon, but for I assume pretty much
Speaker 3: every school, especially ones with perhaps new coordinators. Do you anticipate,
Speaker 3: you know, if everything goes off as I think everybody
Speaker 3: hopes this fall, do you anticipate a lot of sort
Speaker 3: of simplified playbooks across the sport man?
Speaker 2: Conventional wisdom would probably dictate that, I don't, you know,
Speaker 2: don't want to kind of make a journalization, but sure,
Speaker 2: you know, to me, it'll come down to culture, It'll
Speaker 2: come down to scheme, but most importantly the execution of
Speaker 2: the scheme, and in a lot of ways some simplicity
Speaker 2: always helps with that.
Speaker 3: So now, what's what's next? As far as you can
Speaker 3: tell with installation and practice, you tell me, I mean
Speaker 3: what what do you know?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: What is what?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: As much as you know what right now? Like what
Speaker 3: are you doing next week? What are you doing tomorrow?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: What is on the schedule?
Speaker 2: I mean, we we've we've uh, you know, we've had
Speaker 2: kids going back to campus kind in waves, just like
Speaker 2: everybody else. But we're not going to be able based
Speaker 2: on the NCAA calendar start because aditionally meeting with them
Speaker 2: again until a little bit further down the road. So
Speaker 2: you know, right now we're recruiting our tails off, we're
Speaker 2: kind of watching the things that we did in springball,
Speaker 2: kind of anticipating that time we're going to be able
Speaker 2: to get back together with them. And you know, then,
Speaker 2: really I'm going to say it's a refresher course, but
Speaker 2: you're not. There's four days worth of spring cutups, so
Speaker 2: you're not going to do that. So you're going to
Speaker 2: kind of take that proposed springball installation calendar that you
Speaker 2: had and we're kind of modifying it to get it
Speaker 2: ready for those walkers and for fall camp.
Speaker 3: Can you be sending out you know, iPad playbooks. Can
Speaker 3: you be sending out notes like what is the process
Speaker 3: like to keep players sort of engaged intellectually with what
Speaker 3: they can expect cumfall camp.
Speaker 2: You know, we kind of cut the time. You know,
Speaker 2: you obviously know there's discretionary weeks and things like that
Speaker 2: whe're not you're not able to get with them, and
Speaker 2: we certainly had heered all of that. But during the time,
Speaker 2: I think all the Zoom meetings that we've done the
Speaker 2: past or whatever timeframe was when we were allowed to,
Speaker 2: you know, really allowed us to slow down and kind
Speaker 2: of be very detail oriented in our teaching and approach.
Speaker 2: And sometimes we would have meetings where we would only
Speaker 2: get through two or three plays, and that was fantastic
Speaker 2: because you were meeting so many times a week for
Speaker 2: a certain amount of time that you weren't rushing to
Speaker 2: get it taught, to get on the field and practice it.
Speaker 2: You were really not bound by any constraint of you know,
Speaker 2: getting on the field, if that makes sense. So you
Speaker 2: could really really slow down the teaching of it, and
Speaker 2: I thought in very difficult times that was a positive
Speaker 2: aspect of it.
Speaker 3: And something that hasn't slowed down because it never will
Speaker 3: slow down, is recruiting. So you are, you're new to Eugene,
Speaker 3: you're new to a program, you're asked and you know,
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's difficult enough to sort of hit the
Speaker 3: ground running with something that's at least at first unfamiliar,
Speaker 3: but you're convincing kids to come play for you, come
Speaker 3: play in a system that they haven't really fully seen
Speaker 3: with the personnel that you now have. How has recruiting
Speaker 3: been in this in this new world? Obviously Oregon has
Speaker 3: has really done a great job thus far, But you know,
Speaker 3: for you personally, what has that experience been like?
Speaker 2: It's been fantastic. And I remember you know, a few
Speaker 2: years ago the big question was can the guy from
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania come to Mississippi and recruit yep, and we responded
Speaker 2: with three top twenty five classes and three out of
Speaker 2: high shoming classes in school history. So to me, there's
Speaker 2: you start with how much positive you know the city,
Speaker 2: the school, uh, you know, the success coach Chrys, the ball,
Speaker 2: you know, the offensive scheme, you know winning a Rose Bowl,
Speaker 2: you know, finishing number five in the country, and then
Speaker 2: you certainly our track record of success in the system
Speaker 2: over the years. I think he combined all those things
Speaker 2: and you know, makes Oregon a very veriable, very very
Speaker 2: attractive destination for kids who are looking.
Speaker 3: All right, final question, what have been your impressions in
Speaker 3: this short time of Eugene, Oregon your new hometown. You know,
Speaker 3: have you found meals you like? Have you found parks
Speaker 3: to walk a dog?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Have you have you found at least some sort of
Speaker 3: routine in a very strange time with a brand new job.
Speaker 2: You're begging for routine because just like Groundhog Day, No,
Speaker 2: I mean it's incredibly temperate. I mean you're situated in
Speaker 2: Eugene that the ocean's forty five minutes to the west.
Speaker 2: You know, there's mountains and trails and kind of outdoorsy stuff,
Speaker 2: which coming from Pittsburgh wasn't really kind of my deal.
Speaker 2: But my family likes that, so as long as they're
Speaker 2: happy with that part of it, I'm happy. But yeah,
Speaker 2: certainly it's a when I say unique in a very
Speaker 2: positive way, just because there's so many different things to
Speaker 2: do here. We've really kind of taken to Eugene pretty quickly.
Speaker 3: Joe Morehead, thank you very much for your time and
Speaker 3: good luck.
Speaker 2: Appreciate Dan. Thank you very much.
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