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Let's get into it. 10 00:00:52,236 --> 00:00:56,636 Speaker 3: This episode contains occasional course language. 11 00:00:57,716 --> 00:01:00,556 Speaker 4: The first thing about Leslie Minuchian that caught my brother's 12 00:01:00,556 --> 00:01:05,396 Speaker 4: attention was her American accent. The second thing my American 13 00:01:05,516 --> 00:01:09,556 Speaker 4: file brother was attracted to was Leslie's wild story about 14 00:01:09,596 --> 00:01:10,796 Speaker 4: why she left Hawaii. 15 00:01:11,316 --> 00:01:13,716 Speaker 5: Some bad people in Hawaii were trying to attack her, 16 00:01:14,116 --> 00:01:17,356 Speaker 5: you know, because that frauded her and we're trying to 17 00:01:17,356 --> 00:01:19,916 Speaker 5: do bad stuff to her, and her mom and dad 18 00:01:19,916 --> 00:01:23,716 Speaker 5: sent her to Europe to escape them. 19 00:01:23,836 --> 00:01:26,476 Speaker 4: According to Leslie, she had been run off the island 20 00:01:26,516 --> 00:01:29,916 Speaker 4: by murderous locals. A lot of people heard different versions 21 00:01:29,956 --> 00:01:31,156 Speaker 4: of the story. 22 00:01:31,596 --> 00:01:33,796 Speaker 6: I remember her saying something about she had to crawl 23 00:01:33,876 --> 00:01:35,636 Speaker 6: up in a dark bathroom. 24 00:01:35,316 --> 00:01:37,676 Speaker 4: Was something about some cash. She was like hiding under 25 00:01:37,676 --> 00:01:39,916 Speaker 4: a table and these guys looking somewhere and she was 26 00:01:39,956 --> 00:01:41,276 Speaker 4: trying to call her dad and she got on the 27 00:01:41,276 --> 00:01:42,556 Speaker 4: wrong side of the local mafia. 28 00:01:42,716 --> 00:01:43,676 Speaker 7: She witnessed. 29 00:01:43,756 --> 00:01:45,916 Speaker 4: She might have got beaten up, murder or she got 30 00:01:45,916 --> 00:01:47,796 Speaker 4: home invaded at a house or something like that. 31 00:01:48,076 --> 00:01:50,876 Speaker 2: They're going to kill me tonight, dad. 32 00:01:51,036 --> 00:01:52,876 Speaker 3: Criminals got on this chartered airplane. 33 00:01:52,956 --> 00:01:54,996 Speaker 5: Parents had a paper and private jet to come get 34 00:01:54,996 --> 00:01:56,276 Speaker 5: her before the mafia killed her. 35 00:01:59,356 --> 00:02:02,916 Speaker 4: So this story about Hawaii, after everything that happened to 36 00:02:02,956 --> 00:02:05,436 Speaker 4: my brother Greg, he started to think about how it 37 00:02:05,556 --> 00:02:08,396 Speaker 4: might be a fat yarn. He wanted to know what 38 00:02:08,476 --> 00:02:10,876 Speaker 4: really happened, So we figured he had write to the 39 00:02:10,876 --> 00:02:14,636 Speaker 4: Hawaiian police and ask if they knew anything. Greg might 40 00:02:14,676 --> 00:02:16,956 Speaker 4: have been watching a bit too much Hawaii five Oh 41 00:02:17,156 --> 00:02:19,516 Speaker 4: or Magnum Pi when he wrote this letter, because he's 42 00:02:19,556 --> 00:02:20,516 Speaker 4: dialed up the drama. 43 00:02:21,716 --> 00:02:24,836 Speaker 5: I find myself in a murky world of con artists 44 00:02:24,836 --> 00:02:28,836 Speaker 5: and swindlers. We are battling them and I will find 45 00:02:28,836 --> 00:02:34,636 Speaker 5: out the truth. Any information, advice, maybe a point in 46 00:02:34,636 --> 00:02:36,796 Speaker 5: the right direction, would be invaluable. 47 00:02:38,196 --> 00:02:40,796 Speaker 4: Normally cops don't go giving out details to letter writing 48 00:02:40,836 --> 00:02:43,516 Speaker 4: busybodies like you can't just write a letter to the 49 00:02:43,516 --> 00:02:46,476 Speaker 4: police asking them to hand over documents because you're curious 50 00:02:46,476 --> 00:02:49,996 Speaker 4: about someone's past. But maybe whoever got that letter was 51 00:02:50,076 --> 00:02:54,076 Speaker 4: moved by Greg's quest for justice, because whoever read Gregg's 52 00:02:54,156 --> 00:02:58,516 Speaker 4: letter sent back a thick Manila envelope. What Greg found 53 00:02:58,516 --> 00:03:00,276 Speaker 4: in that envelope was relief. 54 00:03:01,596 --> 00:03:06,996 Speaker 5: Finally I had something that was real and genuine and 55 00:03:07,116 --> 00:03:10,916 Speaker 5: could cast light on her, her character and what she 56 00:03:11,076 --> 00:03:11,716 Speaker 5: was really about. 57 00:03:15,916 --> 00:03:20,556 Speaker 4: Inside the envelope were copies of police reports, including detectives notes, 58 00:03:20,596 --> 00:03:25,716 Speaker 4: and witness statements. The reports suggested that Greg wasn't alone. 59 00:03:26,316 --> 00:03:29,356 Speaker 4: He wasn't the only person who had been burnt by 60 00:03:29,476 --> 00:03:39,356 Speaker 4: Leslie Minuchian. I'm Ollie Ward's and this is snowball. Does 61 00:03:39,396 --> 00:03:41,796 Speaker 4: the name Leslie Minuchian mean anything to you? 62 00:03:42,196 --> 00:03:44,196 Speaker 8: Oh, you've bet never forget her. 63 00:03:44,436 --> 00:03:45,356 Speaker 5: She's a sociopath. 64 00:03:46,636 --> 00:03:49,556 Speaker 9: She wanted me to come to Hawaii with her and 65 00:03:49,636 --> 00:03:51,236 Speaker 9: help her open this fucking bar. 66 00:03:51,836 --> 00:03:53,436 Speaker 10: That's the cool spot because it was one of the 67 00:03:53,476 --> 00:03:54,956 Speaker 10: biggest venues here on Mollie. 68 00:03:55,196 --> 00:03:58,236 Speaker 6: It just started getting shittier and shittier. 69 00:03:58,836 --> 00:04:02,876 Speaker 8: He was brock. She took every fucking thing out. 70 00:04:03,276 --> 00:04:06,076 Speaker 10: I just kept tiding about if screw you, this is 71 00:04:06,116 --> 00:04:08,876 Speaker 10: your karma, and I just kept grabbing every bit of money. 72 00:04:09,556 --> 00:04:16,076 Speaker 8: He's a manipulative con artist. He loves what she's doing. 73 00:04:16,556 --> 00:04:32,476 Speaker 4: She just loved it. By writing to the Hawaiian State Police, 74 00:04:32,556 --> 00:04:35,636 Speaker 4: Greg was able to get back this fat Manila folder 75 00:04:36,076 --> 00:04:39,596 Speaker 4: that I've got in my hand. It contained these couple 76 00:04:39,596 --> 00:04:41,836 Speaker 4: of reports that I'm looking at now, which show there 77 00:04:41,916 --> 00:04:45,156 Speaker 4: was at least two people pissed off enough to file 78 00:04:45,236 --> 00:04:51,316 Speaker 4: police complaints against Leslie, and there's detective notes, witness accounts. 79 00:04:51,716 --> 00:04:58,636 Speaker 4: It's pretty detailed. Under the suspect is listed Leslie Ruth Minouchian, adult, 80 00:04:59,076 --> 00:05:03,996 Speaker 4: white female citizen, thirty four years old, height five seven, 81 00:05:04,556 --> 00:05:08,916 Speaker 4: weight one hundred and sixteen pounds, so that's about fifty kg, 82 00:05:09,956 --> 00:05:14,996 Speaker 4: brown eyes, brown hair, fair complexion, unemployed and no local address. 83 00:05:15,836 --> 00:05:21,836 Speaker 4: There's allegations in here of check fraud, lots of tantalizing intel. 84 00:05:22,676 --> 00:05:26,996 Speaker 4: This one is filed by a guy called Jorge Herdi, 85 00:05:27,596 --> 00:05:30,156 Speaker 4: and so I've just googled him and I've found a 86 00:05:30,156 --> 00:05:34,196 Speaker 4: picture of him on a modeling site. He's got shaggy 87 00:05:34,276 --> 00:05:39,996 Speaker 4: blonde hair, blue eyes, surfy looking kind of guy, and 88 00:05:40,036 --> 00:05:42,436 Speaker 4: the only other thing I can find about him is 89 00:05:42,916 --> 00:05:46,676 Speaker 4: a pretty empty linked in account, and it says that 90 00:05:46,716 --> 00:05:53,436 Speaker 4: he works at a hostel in Santa Catarina, Brazil. I'm 91 00:05:53,436 --> 00:05:56,196 Speaker 4: pretty nervous about getting in touch. All of this stuff 92 00:05:56,276 --> 00:05:59,156 Speaker 4: in Hawaii happened back in the early two thousands. I 93 00:05:59,156 --> 00:06:02,076 Speaker 4: don't even know if he'll remember Leslie. Plus it's kind 94 00:06:02,076 --> 00:06:03,996 Speaker 4: of hard to explain who I am and what I'm 95 00:06:03,996 --> 00:06:06,476 Speaker 4: doing too. But I've got to give him a buzz 96 00:06:06,516 --> 00:06:14,036 Speaker 4: to find out what he remembers. See Georges, heardi see 97 00:06:18,476 --> 00:06:24,596 Speaker 4: no nobla Portuguese. Yeah, I speak for Guese. I speak 98 00:06:24,596 --> 00:06:30,876 Speaker 4: in English. You speak English. Yeah, I'm looking for Georges Herdy. 99 00:06:30,676 --> 00:06:34,756 Speaker 3: Please okay you I mean please. 100 00:06:37,156 --> 00:06:41,676 Speaker 4: Hello Georges. Yes, yes, my name is Ollie Ward's and 101 00:06:42,276 --> 00:06:45,516 Speaker 4: I'm just wondering, are you the same Georges that used 102 00:06:45,516 --> 00:06:48,396 Speaker 4: to live in Hawaii in about two thousand and four. 103 00:06:48,876 --> 00:06:51,876 Speaker 4: You used to go there a lot, so I've had 104 00:06:51,876 --> 00:06:55,116 Speaker 4: trouble getting I'm just wondering if you if the name 105 00:06:55,196 --> 00:06:57,076 Speaker 4: Leslie Minouchian means anything to you. 106 00:06:58,596 --> 00:06:59,476 Speaker 9: Oh, the scammer. 107 00:07:02,196 --> 00:07:04,996 Speaker 4: I'm kind of glad to hear him say that, the scammer. 108 00:07:05,356 --> 00:07:11,396 Speaker 4: I'm onto something, Georges says him Leslie in Oceanside, California. 109 00:07:13,156 --> 00:07:20,196 Speaker 9: Leslie was a very charming like she you know, I 110 00:07:20,396 --> 00:07:25,156 Speaker 9: had a way too, Can I get into your good side? 111 00:07:25,316 --> 00:07:29,996 Speaker 9: Like seeing nice things about me, like what a good 112 00:07:29,996 --> 00:07:32,956 Speaker 9: looking man I was. And she had the hearts for 113 00:07:33,116 --> 00:07:35,636 Speaker 9: me and this and that and the other, and she 114 00:07:35,876 --> 00:07:40,076 Speaker 9: kind of started dating and that was the whole thing 115 00:07:40,276 --> 00:07:43,076 Speaker 9: that she wanted me to come to Hawaii with her 116 00:07:43,316 --> 00:07:45,156 Speaker 9: and help her open this fucking bar. 117 00:07:47,436 --> 00:07:51,596 Speaker 4: George's story already sounds familiar. It starts out with Leslie 118 00:07:51,596 --> 00:07:54,916 Speaker 4: hooking up with a guy and next thing, he's involved 119 00:07:54,956 --> 00:08:01,796 Speaker 4: in the grand opening of a hospitality business. George's wasn't 120 00:08:01,796 --> 00:08:05,396 Speaker 4: the only person Leslie recruited for her Hawaiian plan. Leslie 121 00:08:05,436 --> 00:08:08,356 Speaker 4: was working at a restaurant in California and became friends 122 00:08:08,356 --> 00:08:09,876 Speaker 4: with some of the others who worked there. 123 00:08:10,316 --> 00:08:12,756 Speaker 10: She and I became friends, so she would invite me 124 00:08:12,796 --> 00:08:15,396 Speaker 10: over to her house in San Diego and Oceanside, and 125 00:08:15,876 --> 00:08:17,596 Speaker 10: she had a beautiful home. She had a lot of 126 00:08:17,636 --> 00:08:20,756 Speaker 10: toys with the doom buggies and you know, beautiful yard 127 00:08:20,796 --> 00:08:23,556 Speaker 10: with a pond, and you know, she was my manager 128 00:08:23,596 --> 00:08:27,716 Speaker 10: at the restaurant that I was working at. 129 00:08:27,716 --> 00:08:30,876 Speaker 4: Trinity found that her ambitions matched up with Lislie's. 130 00:08:31,556 --> 00:08:34,556 Speaker 10: She and I had the same ideas of entrepreneurship, of 131 00:08:34,596 --> 00:08:38,556 Speaker 10: wanting to fulfill opening up a restaurant, bar night lifestyle. 132 00:08:39,396 --> 00:08:42,596 Speaker 10: And it was kind of like friendship instantaneously because she 133 00:08:42,676 --> 00:08:45,636 Speaker 10: kind of had that aura where she's a very smooth 134 00:08:45,876 --> 00:08:49,036 Speaker 10: speaking person, where she can make everything seem perfect. 135 00:08:52,676 --> 00:08:54,556 Speaker 4: Trinity looks like someone who would be at home at 136 00:08:54,596 --> 00:08:58,316 Speaker 4: the beach some died here, straight talking vibe. She had 137 00:08:58,316 --> 00:09:00,796 Speaker 4: spent lots of time in Hawaii and had always wanted 138 00:09:00,796 --> 00:09:03,236 Speaker 4: to go back there, so she had an idea for Leslie. 139 00:09:03,756 --> 00:09:06,116 Speaker 10: She wanted to do it within Oceanside, and I kept 140 00:09:06,156 --> 00:09:09,436 Speaker 10: telling her, no, there's you know, there's too many restaurants here. 141 00:09:09,476 --> 00:09:11,476 Speaker 10: You're going to be such a small fish in this 142 00:09:11,516 --> 00:09:15,316 Speaker 10: big pond, you know. And so I kept telling her 143 00:09:15,356 --> 00:09:18,596 Speaker 10: that I have lived in Maui prior to and that 144 00:09:18,676 --> 00:09:21,676 Speaker 10: I had a lot of connections here in Hawaii. And 145 00:09:22,716 --> 00:09:24,556 Speaker 10: one day she said, Okay, let's go, let's do it, 146 00:09:24,876 --> 00:09:27,116 Speaker 10: and so I said, okay, let's do it. Let's go. 147 00:09:29,436 --> 00:09:31,916 Speaker 4: Trinity wasn't the only person ready to follow Leslie out 148 00:09:31,916 --> 00:09:32,516 Speaker 4: to the islands. 149 00:09:32,676 --> 00:09:33,996 Speaker 10: We were like her little ducklings. 150 00:09:34,036 --> 00:09:36,956 Speaker 4: Following behind her, Georgia and a couple of others jumped 151 00:09:36,956 --> 00:09:38,196 Speaker 4: on the bandwagon. 152 00:09:37,996 --> 00:09:40,116 Speaker 10: And all the stories that she had, you know, put 153 00:09:40,116 --> 00:09:41,916 Speaker 10: into our heads as to what we were going to 154 00:09:41,956 --> 00:09:42,356 Speaker 10: be doing. 155 00:09:48,156 --> 00:09:51,396 Speaker 4: They headed to Maui, the second biggest of the Hawaiian islands. 156 00:09:52,116 --> 00:09:54,996 Speaker 4: They ended up in a place called Lehina. There's heaps 157 00:09:54,996 --> 00:09:57,116 Speaker 4: of tourists. If you've been to Maui, you probably went 158 00:09:57,156 --> 00:10:00,436 Speaker 4: to Lehina with its still blue water protected by a reef. 159 00:10:01,516 --> 00:10:04,556 Speaker 4: The main street is called Front Street, with restaurants, bars, 160 00:10:04,596 --> 00:10:08,276 Speaker 4: and souvenir shops. Amongst those was an old bar that 161 00:10:08,356 --> 00:10:11,236 Speaker 4: had been closed. It looked like the perfect spot to 162 00:10:11,316 --> 00:10:12,436 Speaker 4: open a new business. 163 00:10:12,596 --> 00:10:15,236 Speaker 10: It's like a ten thousand square foot venue, and I 164 00:10:15,316 --> 00:10:17,836 Speaker 10: have a lot of connections, so I started making phone calls, 165 00:10:18,116 --> 00:10:21,396 Speaker 10: got in there, we got the lease on the building. 166 00:10:22,156 --> 00:10:24,396 Speaker 10: Being a bartender for nineteen years, I had a wonderful 167 00:10:24,396 --> 00:10:26,836 Speaker 10: connection with the liquor Commission, so I was able to 168 00:10:27,196 --> 00:10:30,516 Speaker 10: get the liquor license and stated as well, I was 169 00:10:31,036 --> 00:10:35,476 Speaker 10: creating network of people for her to be welcomed here 170 00:10:35,516 --> 00:10:35,916 Speaker 10: in Maui. 171 00:10:39,876 --> 00:10:43,076 Speaker 4: More and more people were drawn into Leslie's Hawaiian vision. 172 00:10:43,916 --> 00:10:46,676 Speaker 4: One of them was a British backpacker called Will. He 173 00:10:46,716 --> 00:10:48,996 Speaker 4: was in his early thirties and looking to set himself 174 00:10:49,036 --> 00:10:52,036 Speaker 4: up in the island life. He's a Northerner with long 175 00:10:52,076 --> 00:10:53,756 Speaker 4: hair and a laid back attitude. 176 00:10:54,356 --> 00:10:58,516 Speaker 1: When I met Leslie, she had all these fantastic ideas 177 00:10:58,516 --> 00:11:01,516 Speaker 1: of what was going to happen, and it seemed to 178 00:11:01,756 --> 00:11:05,196 Speaker 1: fall so into line with the things that I wanted 179 00:11:05,236 --> 00:11:08,476 Speaker 1: to do as well. I've really fallen on my feet. 180 00:11:08,516 --> 00:11:11,756 Speaker 1: I mean everyone almost saying the same thing. It all 181 00:11:11,836 --> 00:11:14,596 Speaker 1: hinged on Leslie's word of things, and it was all 182 00:11:14,636 --> 00:11:16,036 Speaker 1: sun together by dreams. 183 00:11:16,076 --> 00:11:19,756 Speaker 4: Really, it sounds like Leslie has always been someone that 184 00:11:19,796 --> 00:11:21,996 Speaker 4: can work out what people want and talk to that 185 00:11:22,636 --> 00:11:26,916 Speaker 4: a dream reflector. Leslie rented a house in a nice 186 00:11:26,916 --> 00:11:28,836 Speaker 4: neighborhood for some of the people working for her to 187 00:11:28,876 --> 00:11:31,316 Speaker 4: live in. There were lots of bedrooms and a separate 188 00:11:31,316 --> 00:11:32,156 Speaker 4: cottage out back. 189 00:11:32,676 --> 00:11:35,116 Speaker 1: There was no furniture in there. It had been explained 190 00:11:35,116 --> 00:11:38,316 Speaker 1: to me that Leslie was waiting for a shipping container 191 00:11:38,436 --> 00:11:40,876 Speaker 1: or something to arrive. That I had all the furniture 192 00:11:40,916 --> 00:11:44,116 Speaker 1: for the house. The girls were all really nice, and 193 00:11:44,156 --> 00:11:46,796 Speaker 1: they were all raring to go with the club idea. 194 00:11:52,956 --> 00:11:53,756 Speaker 2: We'll be right. 195 00:11:53,636 --> 00:11:57,836 Speaker 4: Back on promises of getting paid. Once the bar took off, 196 00:11:58,156 --> 00:12:01,116 Speaker 4: Leslie's squad got to work. They had a lot to do. 197 00:12:02,156 --> 00:12:04,596 Speaker 1: It had been closed up for a long time. I 198 00:12:04,636 --> 00:12:07,076 Speaker 1: think russ had been the only thing in and out 199 00:12:07,076 --> 00:12:09,596 Speaker 1: of the place. It needed a hell of lots of 200 00:12:10,196 --> 00:12:14,396 Speaker 1: work doing to it. They had sort of grassroof type 201 00:12:14,436 --> 00:12:19,036 Speaker 1: of foods that were just black with dust many years. 202 00:12:19,236 --> 00:12:20,516 Speaker 1: It was a filthy mess. 203 00:12:20,956 --> 00:12:24,636 Speaker 4: Lesley's Brazilian boyfriend, Georgia, was redoing the bars Interia. 204 00:12:25,156 --> 00:12:28,476 Speaker 9: We had to pull out a lot of trash out 205 00:12:28,476 --> 00:12:33,196 Speaker 9: of there, repaint everything, and basically start from scratch. And 206 00:12:33,276 --> 00:12:37,236 Speaker 9: she had a whole bunch of people working for her, painters, 207 00:12:37,876 --> 00:12:40,716 Speaker 9: people that would do like you know, would work or 208 00:12:40,756 --> 00:12:43,516 Speaker 9: whatever just to get the place ready to go. 209 00:12:45,716 --> 00:12:49,396 Speaker 4: Another of Lesley's recruits was Leahina local Layane. 210 00:12:49,796 --> 00:12:51,996 Speaker 6: She told us that, you know, she had all this 211 00:12:52,436 --> 00:12:55,396 Speaker 6: funding and then that she needed our help. What I 212 00:12:55,436 --> 00:12:59,676 Speaker 6: remember is busting my butt for hours, day after day 213 00:12:59,796 --> 00:13:02,476 Speaker 6: for her. Nurse would pay me like one hundred two 214 00:13:02,516 --> 00:13:03,996 Speaker 6: hundred dollars every now and again. 215 00:13:04,476 --> 00:13:07,676 Speaker 1: And Leslie was almost like a little celebrity in Lahina, 216 00:13:08,116 --> 00:13:11,476 Speaker 1: so everyone was sort of bowing at her feet. Kind 217 00:13:11,556 --> 00:13:16,476 Speaker 1: of thing, and we were enjoying it. Everyone was very helpful. 218 00:13:15,916 --> 00:13:19,116 Speaker 4: With some elbow grease from all sorts of people. Lislie's 219 00:13:19,156 --> 00:13:22,916 Speaker 4: bar started looking pretty good. She named it the Breakwater. 220 00:13:23,436 --> 00:13:25,596 Speaker 4: It almost looked like the dream was coming true. 221 00:13:26,716 --> 00:13:28,956 Speaker 10: Oh, that's pretty awesome. There was a front and bar 222 00:13:29,316 --> 00:13:33,476 Speaker 10: with tables, and then also an outdoor seating area, and 223 00:13:33,516 --> 00:13:35,596 Speaker 10: then as you walked towards at the back, you have 224 00:13:35,636 --> 00:13:37,916 Speaker 10: more of a nightclub where you can actually close off 225 00:13:37,916 --> 00:13:39,996 Speaker 10: the doors from the front side so that you can 226 00:13:40,036 --> 00:13:41,956 Speaker 10: have the full nightclub aspect. 227 00:13:44,156 --> 00:13:46,316 Speaker 1: The club opened and we're doing really well. There was 228 00:13:46,356 --> 00:13:50,036 Speaker 1: a lot of interest from the locals, people queuing around 229 00:13:50,036 --> 00:13:51,996 Speaker 1: the block a couple of times to get in. On 230 00:13:52,036 --> 00:13:54,876 Speaker 1: the opening night, it was really really busy. There were 231 00:13:54,956 --> 00:13:57,396 Speaker 1: local bands playing, It was packed, and it was a 232 00:13:57,436 --> 00:13:58,556 Speaker 1: really good atmosphere. 233 00:13:59,756 --> 00:14:01,516 Speaker 10: It was a cool spot because it was one of 234 00:14:01,556 --> 00:14:04,396 Speaker 10: the biggest venues here on Melli. It was the newest 235 00:14:04,476 --> 00:14:16,716 Speaker 10: thing happening, and it was great. A lot of the time, 236 00:14:16,716 --> 00:14:19,076 Speaker 10: when you have nothing and somebody has something and they 237 00:14:19,076 --> 00:14:21,996 Speaker 10: make it seem like such this beautiful painted picture, you 238 00:14:21,996 --> 00:14:22,796 Speaker 10: try to believe in. 239 00:14:22,756 --> 00:14:31,476 Speaker 4: That the story about Hawaii. It makes me think about 240 00:14:31,476 --> 00:14:34,916 Speaker 4: the Dragonfly CAFA in New Zealand and everyone who helped 241 00:14:34,916 --> 00:14:39,716 Speaker 4: Lislie open it, Greg Simon, my parents. It's like the 242 00:14:39,756 --> 00:14:43,916 Speaker 4: same story, just on a different island. Because just as 243 00:14:43,956 --> 00:14:46,996 Speaker 4: the dreamy picture Lislie paints starts to become a reality, 244 00:14:47,556 --> 00:14:49,236 Speaker 4: things begin to fall apart. 245 00:14:49,436 --> 00:14:52,076 Speaker 1: There was a chef that she chosen to take over 246 00:14:52,116 --> 00:14:54,676 Speaker 1: the kitchen work, and it was a really nice guy 247 00:14:54,716 --> 00:14:57,436 Speaker 1: who was putting everything into it. It made some really 248 00:14:57,556 --> 00:15:00,956 Speaker 1: nice hamburgers as samples that have been given out at 249 00:15:00,956 --> 00:15:03,876 Speaker 1: the bar, and he got good ideas. But the fridges 250 00:15:03,956 --> 00:15:06,356 Speaker 1: were filled with these hamburgers, but they were never able 251 00:15:06,396 --> 00:15:09,076 Speaker 1: to be sold because of the grease trap, never get 252 00:15:09,196 --> 00:15:09,756 Speaker 1: and emptied. 253 00:15:09,956 --> 00:15:12,316 Speaker 4: I don't know what a grease trappers, but it sounds 254 00:15:12,316 --> 00:15:16,156 Speaker 4: gross and it needed empty in Apparently it needed an 255 00:15:16,156 --> 00:15:20,396 Speaker 4: expensive reef. It too to get a liquor license, Leslie 256 00:15:20,396 --> 00:15:23,036 Speaker 4: told the liquorboard the grease trap had been upgraded, but 257 00:15:23,156 --> 00:15:24,796 Speaker 4: will rickins that was never done. 258 00:15:25,036 --> 00:15:27,876 Speaker 1: That was the health code violation that stopped the kitchen 259 00:15:27,916 --> 00:15:29,796 Speaker 1: from ever opening up. 260 00:15:30,716 --> 00:15:32,716 Speaker 4: So after a pretty good start at the bar, the 261 00:15:32,756 --> 00:15:36,356 Speaker 4: breakwater became a shambles. Will sees their electricity got cut off. 262 00:15:36,876 --> 00:15:40,796 Speaker 1: There were anti moskitail candles on the tables instead of 263 00:15:41,236 --> 00:15:45,876 Speaker 1: any light in. People were starting to wonder what was going. 264 00:15:45,716 --> 00:15:48,756 Speaker 4: On without air conditioning. The bar was baking hot too. 265 00:15:49,396 --> 00:15:52,436 Speaker 1: We were buying bags of vice from the local shop, 266 00:15:53,436 --> 00:15:56,516 Speaker 1: filling cool box is full of beers, but Leslie was 267 00:15:56,556 --> 00:15:58,476 Speaker 1: still trying to sell her little dreams. 268 00:15:59,156 --> 00:16:04,276 Speaker 4: I'm starting to recognize pieces of the story. Leslie once 269 00:16:04,316 --> 00:16:06,756 Speaker 4: told me that electricity got cut off at the breakwater 270 00:16:06,956 --> 00:16:09,316 Speaker 4: because she got on the wrong side of the bouncer 271 00:16:09,436 --> 00:16:11,916 Speaker 4: who had a cousin in the power company. So the 272 00:16:11,996 --> 00:16:14,996 Speaker 4: power did get cut off, but Will in Trinity think 273 00:16:15,036 --> 00:16:16,956 Speaker 4: it was for a more obvious reason. 274 00:16:17,676 --> 00:16:21,076 Speaker 10: At this point, she hadn't paid her electric bill, so 275 00:16:21,156 --> 00:16:23,796 Speaker 10: from my understanding, she was running her electricity off of 276 00:16:23,836 --> 00:16:24,516 Speaker 10: a generator. 277 00:16:25,876 --> 00:16:29,916 Speaker 4: Literally. Around this time, Leslie and her workers were all 278 00:16:29,916 --> 00:16:33,436 Speaker 4: evicted from the house they lived in. Will suspected that 279 00:16:33,556 --> 00:16:35,116 Speaker 4: Leslie wasn't paying the rent. 280 00:16:35,316 --> 00:16:38,356 Speaker 1: We got evicted on New Year's Eve and I had 281 00:16:38,356 --> 00:16:40,756 Speaker 1: to move into the club. So I was in the 282 00:16:40,796 --> 00:16:43,156 Speaker 1: offices at the bike I put a bed in there 283 00:16:43,236 --> 00:16:46,436 Speaker 1: and a fridge and wavya while Leslie was in a 284 00:16:46,516 --> 00:16:49,116 Speaker 1: pool house she's rented at the side of her big house. 285 00:16:51,236 --> 00:16:53,356 Speaker 4: People had been working on the project in return for 286 00:16:53,436 --> 00:16:56,116 Speaker 4: free rent, little bits of cash, and promises that they'd 287 00:16:56,156 --> 00:16:58,916 Speaker 4: be sordid when the breakwater took off, But now they 288 00:16:58,916 --> 00:17:01,116 Speaker 4: started to realize they might never see the money they 289 00:17:01,156 --> 00:17:04,276 Speaker 4: were owed. Words spread quickly that things were broken at 290 00:17:04,276 --> 00:17:04,836 Speaker 4: the breakwater. 291 00:17:05,396 --> 00:17:07,036 Speaker 10: This town is very small. We caught the cook and 292 00:17:07,076 --> 00:17:09,916 Speaker 10: it wireless, so everyone talks to everyone about everything, so 293 00:17:09,956 --> 00:17:12,396 Speaker 10: it's very easy to find out what people are doing 294 00:17:12,396 --> 00:17:15,076 Speaker 10: when you're not even within the same area as them. 295 00:17:15,436 --> 00:17:19,836 Speaker 6: Slowly but surely, people were dropping. Things started getting really 296 00:17:19,996 --> 00:17:23,036 Speaker 6: shady at one point because every time we tried to 297 00:17:23,076 --> 00:17:26,036 Speaker 6: ask her for money and she didn't have it. And 298 00:17:26,236 --> 00:17:28,836 Speaker 6: I still have bills to pay, I have children defeed. 299 00:17:30,996 --> 00:17:33,836 Speaker 4: Eventually, Leane did manage to get some of their wages 300 00:17:33,836 --> 00:17:35,876 Speaker 4: out of Lesley, which was more than most. 301 00:17:36,516 --> 00:17:39,076 Speaker 10: I was never paid a dollar. I was able to live. 302 00:17:39,596 --> 00:17:41,756 Speaker 10: I guess you can say rent free for a month, 303 00:17:41,916 --> 00:17:45,516 Speaker 10: but if that is restitution for everything that I did 304 00:17:45,556 --> 00:17:48,796 Speaker 10: to get her to have this ten thousand square foot venue, 305 00:17:49,156 --> 00:17:52,076 Speaker 10: to get the chef in line, for her to get 306 00:17:52,076 --> 00:17:54,236 Speaker 10: the music in line, for her to get the sign 307 00:17:54,396 --> 00:17:58,516 Speaker 10: person involved, for her I liquor license. I did it all, 308 00:17:58,716 --> 00:18:02,356 Speaker 10: but no, I was never paid one penny, not one. 309 00:18:02,516 --> 00:18:05,156 Speaker 4: And people weren't just saying they didn't get paid. There 310 00:18:05,156 --> 00:18:10,276 Speaker 4: were also allegations of stolen chicks and credit cards. Leslie's 311 00:18:10,276 --> 00:18:12,996 Speaker 4: Surphy boyfriend, Georgia's, had been living with her. Then he 312 00:18:13,076 --> 00:18:15,436 Speaker 4: went home to Brazil on holiday, and. 313 00:18:15,836 --> 00:18:19,436 Speaker 9: Shortly after I realized that she had already picked up 314 00:18:19,516 --> 00:18:24,276 Speaker 9: my check book and went to town on it. You know, literally, 315 00:18:25,516 --> 00:18:27,676 Speaker 9: she had like fake checks sent out to the whole 316 00:18:27,676 --> 00:18:30,756 Speaker 9: fucking city under my name. I couldn't believe. It was 317 00:18:30,796 --> 00:18:37,396 Speaker 9: actually pretty much sucked into that whole thing. It's like 318 00:18:37,636 --> 00:18:38,276 Speaker 9: a movie. 319 00:18:38,956 --> 00:18:41,036 Speaker 4: Georgia went to the police and told them that Leslie 320 00:18:41,076 --> 00:18:44,316 Speaker 4: had ridden out nine checks totaling over thirteen thousand dollars 321 00:18:44,316 --> 00:18:46,236 Speaker 4: from his account. 322 00:18:45,636 --> 00:18:47,716 Speaker 9: And she was just like, oh, I'm gonna pay that. 323 00:18:48,156 --> 00:18:52,196 Speaker 9: My father's gonna pay you. It's like, I don't believe 324 00:18:52,236 --> 00:18:54,316 Speaker 9: one single word you say to me anymore, you know, 325 00:18:54,436 --> 00:18:58,356 Speaker 9: after what you've done. And apparently she just kept on 326 00:18:58,356 --> 00:18:58,956 Speaker 9: on a roll. 327 00:18:59,636 --> 00:19:02,196 Speaker 4: From this other police report I've got from Hawaii, it 328 00:19:02,236 --> 00:19:05,356 Speaker 4: does look like Leslie might have been on a roll. 329 00:19:05,556 --> 00:19:09,316 Speaker 4: This second report is filed by a guy called Scott. 330 00:19:09,676 --> 00:19:13,076 Speaker 4: Scott's police report says that Leslie needed a place to crash, 331 00:19:13,156 --> 00:19:15,996 Speaker 4: and so he offered her a room at his. The 332 00:19:16,116 --> 00:19:20,756 Speaker 4: report also says quote they were intimate, but only a 333 00:19:20,756 --> 00:19:24,076 Speaker 4: few days later Scott noticed some strange charges on his 334 00:19:24,236 --> 00:19:28,956 Speaker 4: credit card. Scott's a sort of wily looking entrepreneur guy. 335 00:19:28,996 --> 00:19:31,596 Speaker 4: He's got gray hair, and in the one photo I 336 00:19:31,596 --> 00:19:34,636 Speaker 4: can find of him online, he's rocking a checkered vest 337 00:19:35,396 --> 00:19:37,516 Speaker 4: I managed to get his phone number through a furniture 338 00:19:37,556 --> 00:19:44,316 Speaker 4: company he owns in Washington State. Hello, yeah, today, is 339 00:19:44,316 --> 00:19:45,636 Speaker 4: that Scott? 340 00:19:46,556 --> 00:19:46,916 Speaker 9: Yeah? 341 00:19:46,956 --> 00:19:49,276 Speaker 4: Oh that's great. Okay, Scott, Look, this might be a 342 00:19:49,316 --> 00:19:51,236 Speaker 4: little bit of a strange call, so please just hang 343 00:19:51,276 --> 00:19:53,916 Speaker 4: in there for a moment. But I'm just wondering if 344 00:19:53,956 --> 00:19:57,396 Speaker 4: you used to live in Hawaii in around two thousand 345 00:19:57,396 --> 00:19:57,796 Speaker 4: and four. 346 00:19:58,116 --> 00:19:59,076 Speaker 8: Yeah, uh huh. 347 00:19:59,276 --> 00:20:01,916 Speaker 4: Does the name Leslie Minukian mean anything to you? 348 00:20:02,876 --> 00:20:03,076 Speaker 9: Oh? 349 00:20:03,116 --> 00:20:03,516 Speaker 8: You bet. 350 00:20:05,156 --> 00:20:13,716 Speaker 4: Never forget her. It's not good that Leslie might have 351 00:20:13,756 --> 00:20:16,596 Speaker 4: scammed more people, but I'm glad I'm on the right trail. 352 00:20:17,276 --> 00:20:20,196 Speaker 4: I'm kind of relieved to find someone else. And even 353 00:20:20,196 --> 00:20:23,796 Speaker 4: though this all happened like fifteen years ago, Scott remembers 354 00:20:23,876 --> 00:20:24,996 Speaker 4: everything straight away. 355 00:20:25,636 --> 00:20:29,516 Speaker 8: She took my credit cards, went and charged all that 356 00:20:29,676 --> 00:20:33,396 Speaker 8: money on him. And then I got called by the 357 00:20:33,476 --> 00:20:36,516 Speaker 8: credit card company on a charge and I says, no, 358 00:20:36,676 --> 00:20:39,556 Speaker 8: I didn't make that charge. You know, I knew it 359 00:20:39,596 --> 00:20:42,796 Speaker 8: was her because it was all restaurant related supplies and 360 00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:46,636 Speaker 8: different things to open that restaurant. But I mean, she 361 00:20:46,796 --> 00:20:52,236 Speaker 8: was stealing. But when I contacted the police, she was 362 00:20:52,396 --> 00:20:53,396 Speaker 8: so slick. 363 00:20:54,716 --> 00:20:57,516 Speaker 4: Leslie said Scott gave her permission to use his credit 364 00:20:57,516 --> 00:21:00,156 Speaker 4: card and to buy things for the breakwater. She says 365 00:21:00,156 --> 00:21:02,956 Speaker 4: Scott wanted a relationship, but when she turned him down, 366 00:21:03,236 --> 00:21:07,116 Speaker 4: he started making accusations. Scott says, that's all lies. 367 00:21:07,996 --> 00:21:11,196 Speaker 8: The police. They told me that I was full of it, 368 00:21:11,316 --> 00:21:15,076 Speaker 8: and she convinced them that I was lying. I couldn't 369 00:21:15,076 --> 00:21:18,756 Speaker 8: believe it, and so a few more days passed by, 370 00:21:19,356 --> 00:21:22,396 Speaker 8: somebody else called the police and told them that she 371 00:21:22,556 --> 00:21:27,156 Speaker 8: had done something to them similar, So then they believed me. 372 00:21:29,116 --> 00:21:31,916 Speaker 4: The cops had actually done a criminal history check on Leslie, 373 00:21:32,316 --> 00:21:34,756 Speaker 4: and this background check must have fired the cops up 374 00:21:35,036 --> 00:21:38,476 Speaker 4: because it showed that Leslie had form. They found out 375 00:21:38,556 --> 00:21:41,356 Speaker 4: Leslie had been arrested for stuff like writing bad checks 376 00:21:41,516 --> 00:21:46,156 Speaker 4: in San Diego, California, only seven months earlier. Leslie had 377 00:21:46,236 --> 00:21:49,076 Speaker 4: ended up pleading guilty to burglary related to check fraud. 378 00:21:49,676 --> 00:21:51,996 Speaker 4: She was even on a three year suspended sentence from 379 00:21:51,996 --> 00:21:55,796 Speaker 4: that when all this went down in Hawaii. And that 380 00:21:55,916 --> 00:22:00,076 Speaker 4: wasn't all. Leslie left behind in California. In a newspaper archive, 381 00:22:00,236 --> 00:22:02,996 Speaker 4: I found some ads notifying Leslie she was being sued. 382 00:22:03,476 --> 00:22:07,116 Speaker 4: I tracked down the guy who sued her. The reason 383 00:22:07,116 --> 00:22:10,236 Speaker 4: I'm calling is just because I am interested in your 384 00:22:10,516 --> 00:22:12,076 Speaker 4: running with Leslie. 385 00:22:11,756 --> 00:22:13,876 Speaker 3: Mountains, the Leslie Leslie thing. 386 00:22:14,276 --> 00:22:17,396 Speaker 4: It turns out the sky Mike Templin is the guy 387 00:22:17,436 --> 00:22:20,116 Speaker 4: with the June Buggies and the nice place where Leslie 388 00:22:20,116 --> 00:22:23,116 Speaker 4: was living before she went to Hawaii. And like a 389 00:22:23,156 --> 00:22:25,316 Speaker 4: lot of people who have hooked up with Lislie, he's 390 00:22:25,356 --> 00:22:27,556 Speaker 4: got a story. Is now all right time? 391 00:22:28,556 --> 00:22:31,916 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's okay, okay, I just don't like to relive it. Yeah, 392 00:22:31,956 --> 00:22:34,276 Speaker 3: sorry to drag as you can imagine. 393 00:22:34,436 --> 00:22:37,316 Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike's a tour guide and he's walking around an 394 00:22:37,316 --> 00:22:38,556 Speaker 4: amusement park while we talk. 395 00:22:38,836 --> 00:22:41,796 Speaker 3: We did live together, a notion side. That's when she 396 00:22:42,036 --> 00:22:45,196 Speaker 3: was hiding my mail, you know, like my credit card 397 00:22:45,276 --> 00:22:49,116 Speaker 3: statements and saying that she was paying for them while 398 00:22:49,196 --> 00:22:52,236 Speaker 3: meanwhile she was just racking up everything she could on 399 00:22:52,236 --> 00:22:55,396 Speaker 3: my credit cards after I found some receipts with my 400 00:22:55,516 --> 00:22:58,996 Speaker 3: credit card numbers on them, you know, with her signature, 401 00:22:59,476 --> 00:23:02,716 Speaker 3: you know, bottles of champagne, you know, two hundred dollars dinners. 402 00:23:03,076 --> 00:23:05,596 Speaker 3: She would take a limousine to a nail salon and 403 00:23:05,636 --> 00:23:07,996 Speaker 3: spend five hundred dollars at a nail salon on my 404 00:23:08,156 --> 00:23:12,596 Speaker 3: credit cards without me knowing, never authorized once to use anything. 405 00:23:13,076 --> 00:23:16,996 Speaker 4: Zero sounds like a lot of cash on nail salons. 406 00:23:18,276 --> 00:23:22,636 Speaker 4: Must have been some sweet, many pities. Mike says. Hawaii 407 00:23:22,676 --> 00:23:23,836 Speaker 4: was Leslie's escape plan. 408 00:23:24,196 --> 00:23:27,156 Speaker 3: Yeah, she literally packed up and wamp, I'll pay you back. 409 00:23:27,196 --> 00:23:29,796 Speaker 3: Don't worry. I'll start this restaurant and send you back money. 410 00:23:29,796 --> 00:23:32,956 Speaker 3: Oh like, oh my god. So yeah, she was gone. 411 00:23:33,396 --> 00:23:35,996 Speaker 4: I've got copies of the documents from Mike's court case 412 00:23:36,076 --> 00:23:39,716 Speaker 4: against Leslie. They show while Leslie was in Hawaii, she 413 00:23:39,796 --> 00:23:42,876 Speaker 4: kept promising to pay Mike back. In his statement to 414 00:23:42,916 --> 00:23:45,676 Speaker 4: the court, Mike says he believed she'd pay him back 415 00:23:46,036 --> 00:23:50,276 Speaker 4: because he loved her. Leslie kept sending him checks that bounced, 416 00:23:50,396 --> 00:23:53,756 Speaker 4: all from a closed account. Then she sent Mike a 417 00:23:53,836 --> 00:23:57,716 Speaker 4: receipt showing she had transferred him thirty one grand Lizlie 418 00:23:57,716 --> 00:24:02,356 Speaker 4: added a handwritten note to the transfer receipt, Mike. 419 00:24:02,556 --> 00:24:07,876 Speaker 11: Marry Axnez, I've thrown in an extra six thousand dollars 420 00:24:08,396 --> 00:24:12,196 Speaker 11: by yourself, some nice. This is from my trust fund 421 00:24:12,356 --> 00:24:14,556 Speaker 11: and could take up to eight working days. 422 00:24:15,476 --> 00:24:20,796 Speaker 4: Bit cheeky by yourself, something nice. But the money never arrived. 423 00:24:21,556 --> 00:24:25,276 Speaker 4: That receipt turned out to be fake. It's another one 424 00:24:25,276 --> 00:24:28,396 Speaker 4: where the numbers trail off on an angle. Maybe they 425 00:24:28,436 --> 00:24:32,756 Speaker 4: have twink and photocopies in Hawaii too. Leslie didn't show 426 00:24:32,876 --> 00:24:34,916 Speaker 4: up or respond to the court, and they ruled in 427 00:24:34,956 --> 00:24:37,716 Speaker 4: favor of Mike. She was ordered to pay him more 428 00:24:37,756 --> 00:24:41,676 Speaker 4: than sixty five thousand dollars. But even though deck collectors 429 00:24:41,676 --> 00:24:44,596 Speaker 4: were assigned to the case, Mike says he's never seen 430 00:24:44,636 --> 00:24:45,236 Speaker 4: a cent. 431 00:24:46,076 --> 00:24:47,596 Speaker 3: I would love to see her right And how. 432 00:24:53,916 --> 00:24:56,356 Speaker 4: So, by the time Leslie was setting up the breakwater 433 00:24:56,476 --> 00:25:01,116 Speaker 4: in Hawaii, she was on a suspended sentence and she 434 00:25:01,276 --> 00:25:03,916 Speaker 4: was about to be sued for racking up tens of 435 00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:08,316 Speaker 4: thousands of dollars on someone else's credit card. With that 436 00:25:08,396 --> 00:25:11,036 Speaker 4: kind of stuff goinging on, why didn't the cops just 437 00:25:11,316 --> 00:25:15,476 Speaker 4: arrest Leslie? At the bottom of the police reports filed 438 00:25:15,476 --> 00:25:19,676 Speaker 4: in Hawaii. It says referred to the Prosecutor's office for 439 00:25:19,796 --> 00:25:22,996 Speaker 4: review and prosecution. So it seems like the police were 440 00:25:23,036 --> 00:25:26,556 Speaker 4: keen to lay charges, but neither of these police reports 441 00:25:26,676 --> 00:25:30,956 Speaker 4: went anywhere. I tried to get to the bottom of 442 00:25:30,956 --> 00:25:33,796 Speaker 4: what happened, and it seems like maybe it was a 443 00:25:33,916 --> 00:25:38,036 Speaker 4: bureaucratic stuff up. The Maui Prosecutor's office say they never 444 00:25:38,156 --> 00:25:41,116 Speaker 4: got the reports from the police. So then I spoke 445 00:25:41,156 --> 00:25:42,996 Speaker 4: to the top cop who should know what happened. 446 00:25:44,836 --> 00:25:47,996 Speaker 12: My name is Tivoli Famu and I am the chief 447 00:25:47,996 --> 00:25:50,876 Speaker 12: of Police for the Maui County Police Department. Here in 448 00:25:50,916 --> 00:25:55,916 Speaker 12: a way, I'm not sure what happened, but now everything 449 00:25:55,996 --> 00:25:59,796 Speaker 12: is computerized, so it's automatic, but back then it was 450 00:25:59,876 --> 00:26:03,556 Speaker 12: not computerized. A copy goes to our record section, and 451 00:26:03,596 --> 00:26:08,596 Speaker 12: then another copy goes to the Prosecutor's office. How what 452 00:26:08,756 --> 00:26:11,876 Speaker 12: happened to the case? I can't give you an answer 453 00:26:11,996 --> 00:26:12,236 Speaker 12: to that. 454 00:26:12,956 --> 00:26:16,876 Speaker 4: Whatever happened, the Hawaiian police didn't arrest Leslie and they 455 00:26:16,876 --> 00:26:21,196 Speaker 4: didn't prosecute her. So at least those police reports have 456 00:26:21,236 --> 00:26:25,116 Speaker 4: told me a lot about what happened, And after reading 457 00:26:25,116 --> 00:26:27,436 Speaker 4: them heaps of times on their own, I realized that 458 00:26:27,516 --> 00:26:30,756 Speaker 4: putting them together like jigsaw pieces, reveals a picture of 459 00:26:30,796 --> 00:26:36,436 Speaker 4: how Leslie briefly kept afloat in Hawaii. It looks like 460 00:26:36,556 --> 00:26:39,276 Speaker 4: this is how things worked. It's like a rob Peter 461 00:26:39,436 --> 00:26:43,596 Speaker 4: to pay Paul's situation, or make that Robed Scott to 462 00:26:43,676 --> 00:26:47,756 Speaker 4: pay George. According to the police reports, Leslie had some 463 00:26:47,836 --> 00:26:51,916 Speaker 4: money stolen from Scott transferred to George, but some of 464 00:26:51,956 --> 00:26:55,716 Speaker 4: George's money was allegedly stolen to pay other people back. 465 00:26:56,436 --> 00:26:59,836 Speaker 4: It goes around in circles. It's like a house of cards, 466 00:26:59,876 --> 00:27:09,676 Speaker 4: but even Flimsia a house made with IOUs ridden on barnapkins. 467 00:27:10,916 --> 00:27:11,796 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. 468 00:27:13,596 --> 00:27:16,476 Speaker 4: As it all went down, Scott actually went into investigator 469 00:27:16,516 --> 00:27:19,956 Speaker 4: mode himself, and he had another interesting thing to tell me. 470 00:27:20,676 --> 00:27:23,796 Speaker 4: Scott had tracked down Leslie's parents, Betty and Andrew, and 471 00:27:23,876 --> 00:27:25,316 Speaker 4: told them what he thought was going on. 472 00:27:25,636 --> 00:27:28,556 Speaker 8: I don't know what the hell their deal is because 473 00:27:28,836 --> 00:27:31,276 Speaker 8: I got ahold of them and told them what their 474 00:27:31,356 --> 00:27:34,716 Speaker 8: daughter was doing, and they would I don't believe you. 475 00:27:35,236 --> 00:27:37,556 Speaker 4: Throughout this whole thing, I've been wondering how much of 476 00:27:37,636 --> 00:27:41,276 Speaker 4: Leslie's antics Betty and Andrew really know. So it seems 477 00:27:41,276 --> 00:27:43,756 Speaker 4: that they knew about some of these allegations from Hawaii, 478 00:27:44,316 --> 00:27:47,716 Speaker 4: but maybe Leslie was lying to them too. In any case, 479 00:27:48,036 --> 00:27:50,276 Speaker 4: Scott is angry at Betty and Andrew as well. 480 00:27:50,836 --> 00:27:54,196 Speaker 8: They know exactly what she's doing. They know all of it, 481 00:27:54,716 --> 00:27:57,156 Speaker 8: you know. I don't know how much a part they 482 00:27:57,196 --> 00:28:01,116 Speaker 8: are of it, but they know exactly what this girl's doing. 483 00:28:02,236 --> 00:28:04,796 Speaker 4: Hearing about Leslie's parents reminded me that I should give 484 00:28:04,836 --> 00:28:08,796 Speaker 4: my own mom and dad an update. They've always wondered 485 00:28:08,796 --> 00:28:12,316 Speaker 4: whether other people have had similar experiences with Leslie. So 486 00:28:12,356 --> 00:28:14,276 Speaker 4: I called them and told them about all the stories 487 00:28:14,276 --> 00:28:16,876 Speaker 4: I've been hearing, and I asked Dad what he thought 488 00:28:16,876 --> 00:28:19,836 Speaker 4: about Leslie's parents potentially being aware of this stuff. 489 00:28:20,396 --> 00:28:23,636 Speaker 13: I just feel the same basically that Leslie's been, if 490 00:28:23,676 --> 00:28:28,716 Speaker 13: you like, nurtured into continuing by her parents. They're obviously 491 00:28:29,596 --> 00:28:32,876 Speaker 13: not necessarily agree with what she does, but they sort 492 00:28:32,876 --> 00:28:35,796 Speaker 13: of do by not condemning it. 493 00:28:36,916 --> 00:28:39,236 Speaker 4: I asked Mum how she felt knowing that there were 494 00:28:39,276 --> 00:28:40,236 Speaker 4: other victims out. 495 00:28:40,116 --> 00:28:50,756 Speaker 7: There, sickened, but also a bit vindicated that we're not 496 00:28:50,796 --> 00:28:54,276 Speaker 7: as dumb as we thought we were because other people 497 00:28:54,676 --> 00:28:58,476 Speaker 7: have said, oh no, we would have known when I 498 00:28:58,516 --> 00:29:01,276 Speaker 7: meet her. I knew she was no good. I knew 499 00:29:01,316 --> 00:29:04,076 Speaker 7: it when I meet her. This we were wanting to 500 00:29:04,156 --> 00:29:07,196 Speaker 7: tell us I knew, I knew, and it makes you 501 00:29:07,276 --> 00:29:13,996 Speaker 7: feel really dumb and angry. Makes me feel vindicated that 502 00:29:14,036 --> 00:29:21,236 Speaker 7: we're not dumb, that we were so powerfully used. The 503 00:29:21,356 --> 00:29:24,196 Speaker 7: power that she has is amazing. 504 00:29:30,316 --> 00:29:32,916 Speaker 4: It turns out there was one more report from the 505 00:29:32,916 --> 00:29:36,676 Speaker 4: Hawaiian police. Leslie went to them to file a report 506 00:29:36,716 --> 00:29:39,556 Speaker 4: of her own. The police wrote down her account of 507 00:29:39,716 --> 00:29:43,836 Speaker 4: a break in at her house. This report says, upon 508 00:29:43,876 --> 00:29:46,756 Speaker 4: her return to her residence at about twenty one hundred hours, 509 00:29:46,996 --> 00:29:50,116 Speaker 4: she observed everything in her room thrown about. The door 510 00:29:50,196 --> 00:29:53,516 Speaker 4: was open and removed from her jewelry box a two 511 00:29:53,556 --> 00:29:56,916 Speaker 4: point five carrot diamond ring valued at twenty thousand dollars, 512 00:29:57,316 --> 00:30:00,396 Speaker 4: white guest watch valued at about two hundred dollars, and 513 00:30:00,516 --> 00:30:05,236 Speaker 4: also a point five carrot diamond airing. Also observed a 514 00:30:05,276 --> 00:30:07,836 Speaker 4: knife was put in one of the pillowcases on her bed. 515 00:30:08,756 --> 00:30:17,436 Speaker 4: Nothing than that. Who knows how much of this is true? 516 00:30:17,596 --> 00:30:20,036 Speaker 4: I mean, the police report says there was no evidence 517 00:30:20,076 --> 00:30:23,116 Speaker 4: associated with this case and they never got hold of 518 00:30:23,156 --> 00:30:26,156 Speaker 4: any receipts showing that Leslie actually owned this expensive stuff 519 00:30:26,156 --> 00:30:29,196 Speaker 4: she said was stolen by the time she got to London, 520 00:30:29,476 --> 00:30:32,236 Speaker 4: Leslie was telling a story about men with knives entering 521 00:30:32,236 --> 00:30:37,836 Speaker 4: her house while she hit under the bed. There is 522 00:30:37,956 --> 00:30:41,836 Speaker 4: one element of Leslie's story about Hawaii that does hold up, though. 523 00:30:42,516 --> 00:30:45,116 Speaker 4: When Leslie told the story, she always said that she 524 00:30:45,276 --> 00:30:49,876 Speaker 4: fled the island fearing for her life, and from the 525 00:30:49,876 --> 00:30:52,636 Speaker 4: people who've been talking to it turns out that's kind 526 00:30:52,676 --> 00:30:56,676 Speaker 4: of right. By the time the breakwater folded, Leanne says 527 00:30:56,756 --> 00:30:58,316 Speaker 4: people were out to get Leslie. 528 00:30:58,396 --> 00:31:02,036 Speaker 6: She's definitely made a lot of enemies that wanted the 529 00:31:02,076 --> 00:31:07,116 Speaker 6: money that they were promised, but especially like where I'm from, 530 00:31:07,396 --> 00:31:11,996 Speaker 6: and it is a community, and I'll say, you know, Honora, 531 00:31:12,076 --> 00:31:15,276 Speaker 6: She's burned so many people that even people that weren't 532 00:31:15,316 --> 00:31:20,196 Speaker 6: directly affected monetarily by her. I was to the point 533 00:31:20,196 --> 00:31:23,276 Speaker 6: where I probably, you know, wanted to punch her in 534 00:31:23,316 --> 00:31:25,276 Speaker 6: the face. Unfortunately I ever had a chance. 535 00:31:26,356 --> 00:31:29,596 Speaker 4: Lane isn't the only person who felt that way. Trinity, 536 00:31:29,956 --> 00:31:33,476 Speaker 4: the beachy, sporty looking Hawaiian who helped Leslie set up 537 00:31:33,476 --> 00:31:36,956 Speaker 4: the breakwater, well, she definitely did. I mean, this. 538 00:31:37,076 --> 00:31:40,036 Speaker 10: Island, you know, we're all very Aloha made people here. 539 00:31:40,076 --> 00:31:43,476 Speaker 10: I'd seen ninety percent of us, and you do wantto 540 00:31:43,516 --> 00:31:47,436 Speaker 10: others as you want done to yourself. So if someone's 541 00:31:47,436 --> 00:31:49,716 Speaker 10: working there butt off and they have bills to pay 542 00:31:49,876 --> 00:31:52,236 Speaker 10: and you're not paying them, what are they going to do? 543 00:31:52,276 --> 00:31:53,436 Speaker 10: They're going to do something to you. 544 00:31:54,036 --> 00:31:56,276 Speaker 4: The story she told me next kind of shocked me. 545 00:31:56,756 --> 00:31:59,876 Speaker 4: It starts late one night in Lehina. Trinity says she 546 00:31:59,956 --> 00:32:02,076 Speaker 4: was having a night out. Her and her uncle and 547 00:32:02,076 --> 00:32:05,116 Speaker 4: her boyfriend went to see a punk band play. Leahina 548 00:32:05,156 --> 00:32:07,356 Speaker 4: is a small place, so they weren't that far from 549 00:32:07,396 --> 00:32:10,916 Speaker 4: the breakwater. After the band finished, Trinity and her crew 550 00:32:10,916 --> 00:32:13,436 Speaker 4: climbed into a cab to leave, But just as she 551 00:32:13,476 --> 00:32:15,956 Speaker 4: was getting into the cab, she saw Lazie coming out 552 00:32:15,956 --> 00:32:16,636 Speaker 4: of the breakwater. 553 00:32:17,836 --> 00:32:20,836 Speaker 10: I looked over at the bar and I seen her 554 00:32:20,836 --> 00:32:24,036 Speaker 10: coming out, and I said, oh, hang on a minute, mister, 555 00:32:24,156 --> 00:32:26,276 Speaker 10: And he said what the cab driver said, you need 556 00:32:26,276 --> 00:32:28,636 Speaker 10: to stop the cab. So I looked at my uncle 557 00:32:28,676 --> 00:32:31,316 Speaker 10: and I said, hey, man, she's out there. I'm gonna 558 00:32:31,316 --> 00:32:34,196 Speaker 10: go get her. And he said what I said, Are 559 00:32:34,196 --> 00:32:37,316 Speaker 10: you ready? And he said okay. So I jumped out 560 00:32:37,356 --> 00:32:39,716 Speaker 10: of the cab. I ran directly towards her and I 561 00:32:39,796 --> 00:32:45,236 Speaker 10: just punched her directly into her face. She had grabbed 562 00:32:45,276 --> 00:32:47,796 Speaker 10: all of the cover charge money from the front door, 563 00:32:48,316 --> 00:32:51,756 Speaker 10: and so her purse was filled with cash. So when 564 00:32:51,756 --> 00:32:53,916 Speaker 10: I punched her, her purse flew, so her money was 565 00:32:53,956 --> 00:32:57,276 Speaker 10: flying everywhere. Kept telling her, you know, f off, screw you, 566 00:32:57,436 --> 00:33:00,076 Speaker 10: this is your karma, blah blah blah, and I just 567 00:33:00,156 --> 00:33:02,116 Speaker 10: kept grabbing every bit of money I could. 568 00:33:02,316 --> 00:33:05,036 Speaker 4: The brul got bigger as Trinity's uncle started fighting with 569 00:33:05,036 --> 00:33:07,556 Speaker 4: someone in Laizley's crowd. 570 00:33:08,036 --> 00:33:10,236 Speaker 10: One of the cops pulled up, and he's one of 571 00:33:10,276 --> 00:33:13,756 Speaker 10: our local cops, and he said, Trinity, what have you done? 572 00:33:14,236 --> 00:33:16,236 Speaker 10: And I said, I know, you've heard about all of 573 00:33:16,236 --> 00:33:18,636 Speaker 10: the things she's been doing. At this point, he looked 574 00:33:18,636 --> 00:33:20,636 Speaker 10: at me and he said, oh, I know. He said, 575 00:33:20,676 --> 00:33:22,676 Speaker 10: do yourself a favor, get out of here right now. 576 00:33:22,876 --> 00:33:25,276 Speaker 10: I said, okay, So I jumped in the cab and 577 00:33:25,316 --> 00:33:32,556 Speaker 10: we took off. Next morning, I showed up at her door, 578 00:33:32,716 --> 00:33:36,476 Speaker 10: pounding on her door. But from what the neighbor told me, 579 00:33:36,516 --> 00:33:39,116 Speaker 10: that she had been packing stuff in trying to leave, 580 00:33:39,316 --> 00:33:42,036 Speaker 10: and by that day she was completely off of the island. 581 00:33:42,476 --> 00:33:46,796 Speaker 4: And for Leanne, that local from Lehina, she reckons Leslie 582 00:33:46,836 --> 00:33:49,036 Speaker 4: probably wouldn't care about who she hurt. Anyway. 583 00:33:49,396 --> 00:33:53,196 Speaker 6: She is as fake as they come, and she has 584 00:33:53,436 --> 00:33:59,596 Speaker 6: no heart for anyone or no concern for anyone, And honestly, 585 00:33:59,756 --> 00:34:03,756 Speaker 6: her level of care is zero for anyone else outside 586 00:34:03,756 --> 00:34:04,356 Speaker 6: of herself. 587 00:34:06,116 --> 00:34:10,436 Speaker 10: You get what you give care, whether you're in Hawaii, 588 00:34:10,476 --> 00:34:13,716 Speaker 10: you're in California, you're in New Zealand, and wherever, you 589 00:34:13,796 --> 00:34:17,556 Speaker 10: get what you give. And this place will welcome you, 590 00:34:17,676 --> 00:34:20,116 Speaker 10: but it will also throw you and drowned you as 591 00:34:20,116 --> 00:34:22,836 Speaker 10: fast as you make yourself apparent to be who you are. 592 00:34:23,636 --> 00:34:25,836 Speaker 10: And that's what she did, and she's lucky she left. 593 00:34:32,396 --> 00:34:34,876 Speaker 4: So there were parts of Leslie's story about Hawaii that 594 00:34:34,956 --> 00:34:37,756 Speaker 4: were kind of true. It's easier to tell a lie 595 00:34:37,756 --> 00:34:40,116 Speaker 4: when it's built on a truth. I'm learning that as 596 00:34:40,156 --> 00:34:43,516 Speaker 4: I'm starting to understand Leslie's world. But that doesn't make 597 00:34:43,596 --> 00:34:47,316 Speaker 4: Leslie's lies any less damaging, especially as I'm hearing from 598 00:34:47,356 --> 00:34:49,236 Speaker 4: the people who have been hurt by those lies along 599 00:34:49,276 --> 00:34:52,316 Speaker 4: the way, people that remind me of my brother Greg. 600 00:34:53,836 --> 00:34:56,476 Speaker 4: If there's a Greg in this story, it's a local 601 00:34:56,516 --> 00:35:01,636 Speaker 4: restaurant manager named David Parks. He didn't marry Leslie. In fact, 602 00:35:01,716 --> 00:35:03,956 Speaker 4: as far as I can tell, they weren't ever involved 603 00:35:03,956 --> 00:35:07,396 Speaker 4: with each other. Romantically, but in the collapse of the Breakwater, 604 00:35:07,956 --> 00:35:12,076 Speaker 4: David lost out more more than anyone. 605 00:35:11,476 --> 00:35:14,516 Speaker 8: So she hooked up with David pretty much as a 606 00:35:14,556 --> 00:35:15,356 Speaker 8: con artist. 607 00:35:15,756 --> 00:35:17,676 Speaker 4: David was a friend of Scott's. 608 00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:21,156 Speaker 8: She went ahead and found all of his dreams and 609 00:35:21,236 --> 00:35:25,596 Speaker 8: strengths and weaknesses and talked him into quitting his job 610 00:35:26,036 --> 00:35:29,676 Speaker 8: and investing all of his money with her to open 611 00:35:29,756 --> 00:35:30,516 Speaker 8: up this bar. 612 00:35:31,876 --> 00:35:35,316 Speaker 4: David quit his job managing another restaurant for the promise 613 00:35:35,356 --> 00:35:38,516 Speaker 4: of bigger things at the Breakwater. He invested twenty five 614 00:35:38,556 --> 00:35:44,036 Speaker 4: thousand dollars in Leslie's business. David got to work immediately 615 00:35:44,076 --> 00:35:45,876 Speaker 4: alongside the others, including Will. 616 00:35:46,196 --> 00:35:50,156 Speaker 1: Everyone liked him. He was a very junteel guy, very 617 00:35:50,276 --> 00:35:53,996 Speaker 1: humble guy, very honest guy. And I think that's one 618 00:35:53,996 --> 00:35:57,076 Speaker 1: of the main things that Leslie was able to trade 619 00:35:57,116 --> 00:36:02,356 Speaker 1: on is Dave's reputation as being an honest, trustworthy fellow. 620 00:36:02,796 --> 00:36:05,436 Speaker 4: As things started to go bad at the Breakwater, David 621 00:36:05,476 --> 00:36:07,236 Speaker 4: Will tried to keep each other's spirits up. 622 00:36:07,676 --> 00:36:09,796 Speaker 1: As time was going on, it became more and more 623 00:36:09,836 --> 00:36:14,756 Speaker 1: apparent that Leslie was just lying to everybody, just behind 624 00:36:14,836 --> 00:36:18,036 Speaker 1: had been the whole time. Myself and Dave used to 625 00:36:18,116 --> 00:36:21,396 Speaker 1: lay down the beach in the Daytimes, talking everything through 626 00:36:21,836 --> 00:36:25,716 Speaker 1: and laughing in a way at how much bullshit we 627 00:36:25,796 --> 00:36:26,516 Speaker 1: would pull with. 628 00:36:27,676 --> 00:36:30,836 Speaker 4: But Wills's that laughter was a sad kind of laughter. 629 00:36:31,316 --> 00:36:35,636 Speaker 1: For Dave, it was devastating. It was his life savings 630 00:36:35,836 --> 00:36:38,836 Speaker 1: and his reputation that was being plundered. 631 00:36:39,996 --> 00:36:44,956 Speaker 8: He was broke. She took every fucking thing he had. Okay, 632 00:36:45,556 --> 00:36:48,716 Speaker 8: he was flat broke, But more than anything, he was 633 00:36:48,836 --> 00:36:51,996 Speaker 8: so humiliated. We all told him that he was going 634 00:36:52,076 --> 00:36:52,836 Speaker 8: to get screwed. 635 00:36:52,996 --> 00:36:57,356 Speaker 4: You know, I really wanted to talk to David. I've 636 00:36:57,356 --> 00:37:00,436 Speaker 4: been asking everyone what happened to him. People have told 637 00:37:00,476 --> 00:37:03,436 Speaker 4: me David was totally cut up and his reputation was ruined. 638 00:37:03,756 --> 00:37:06,596 Speaker 4: So he left Hawaii. He went to live with his mum. 639 00:37:07,436 --> 00:37:09,516 Speaker 4: Then one day Scott called me back with some news 640 00:37:09,556 --> 00:37:10,236 Speaker 4: he had found. 641 00:37:09,996 --> 00:37:14,756 Speaker 8: Out Dave did pass away. The people that I talked 642 00:37:14,796 --> 00:37:18,316 Speaker 8: to don't know what it was. My friend that knew 643 00:37:18,396 --> 00:37:21,076 Speaker 8: him that hasn't seen him for quite some time said 644 00:37:21,116 --> 00:37:24,116 Speaker 8: that it was a sudden thing or something that he 645 00:37:24,156 --> 00:37:28,476 Speaker 8: didn't know what the situation was, just the bottom line 646 00:37:28,516 --> 00:37:33,956 Speaker 8: that he was gone. 647 00:37:35,076 --> 00:37:37,596 Speaker 4: So I'm just looking at this statement that David made 648 00:37:37,676 --> 00:37:40,796 Speaker 4: for the police. Now that I know he's no longer alive. 649 00:37:40,876 --> 00:37:42,556 Speaker 4: It seems like this is the only thing I'll ever 650 00:37:42,596 --> 00:37:45,316 Speaker 4: hear from him. It's a statement he made as part 651 00:37:45,356 --> 00:37:49,956 Speaker 4: of Scott's case. He was a witness, and it's recorded 652 00:37:49,956 --> 00:37:53,716 Speaker 4: in here that he stated he is non Minuchian for 653 00:37:53,796 --> 00:37:56,916 Speaker 4: only a few months and regrets ever going into business 654 00:37:56,916 --> 00:38:00,316 Speaker 4: with her. And I've read this witness statement from David 655 00:38:00,356 --> 00:38:03,836 Speaker 4: so many times, but it's really this last line that 656 00:38:03,996 --> 00:38:08,916 Speaker 4: gets me. Says stated he had learned that Leslie is 657 00:38:08,956 --> 00:38:12,076 Speaker 4: a really good talker and can make you believe things 658 00:38:12,076 --> 00:38:13,396 Speaker 4: that are not true. 659 00:38:15,996 --> 00:38:19,476 Speaker 8: She loves sucking a person in, like your brother or 660 00:38:19,596 --> 00:38:25,996 Speaker 8: me or David, and just destroying that person. Those things 661 00:38:26,436 --> 00:38:30,796 Speaker 8: never leave you, you know, they never leave you. She's 662 00:38:31,236 --> 00:38:36,276 Speaker 8: a manipulative con artist that is like a serial killer. 663 00:38:36,676 --> 00:38:39,836 Speaker 8: She loves what she's doing. She just loves it. 664 00:38:44,916 --> 00:38:48,076 Speaker 4: Maybe she does love it. I really just don't know 665 00:38:48,116 --> 00:38:51,236 Speaker 4: at this point. Maybe it's all just sport for her. 666 00:38:52,156 --> 00:38:56,396 Speaker 4: But on the other hand, maybe she's just deluded. Maybe 667 00:38:56,436 --> 00:38:58,756 Speaker 4: she believes that these crazy schemes are going to work 668 00:38:58,796 --> 00:39:01,876 Speaker 4: out and everyone's going to get paid back and everything's 669 00:39:01,916 --> 00:39:05,076 Speaker 4: going to be okay. I just feel like I have 670 00:39:05,156 --> 00:39:13,956 Speaker 4: no idea what's going on inside of her head. I'm 671 00:39:13,956 --> 00:39:17,036 Speaker 4: not sure where Leslie went next, but a year later 672 00:39:17,476 --> 00:39:20,836 Speaker 4: she turns up traveling happily around Europe doing the tourist thing. 673 00:39:21,516 --> 00:39:24,556 Speaker 4: I know where she went, not through her emails, but 674 00:39:24,636 --> 00:39:27,956 Speaker 4: by reading Leslie's old style paper diary. She left it 675 00:39:27,996 --> 00:39:31,196 Speaker 4: in New Zealand. The diary has notes like walking to 676 00:39:31,236 --> 00:39:34,436 Speaker 4: her of Prague, flight numbers and albums she likes like 677 00:39:34,636 --> 00:39:39,276 Speaker 4: Outcasts Speaker Box. Leslie's handwriting is scribbled and often sideways 678 00:39:39,316 --> 00:39:43,356 Speaker 4: on the pages, but the most interesting entry is right 679 00:39:43,356 --> 00:39:44,396 Speaker 4: at the start. 680 00:39:44,996 --> 00:39:50,196 Speaker 11: May three, New York. Eric met George Cloudey Julia Roberts 681 00:39:50,396 --> 00:39:52,316 Speaker 11: private jet from Das. 682 00:39:53,516 --> 00:39:57,596 Speaker 4: Sounds like old mate. Eric t Weiss esquire the lawyer 683 00:39:57,636 --> 00:40:01,436 Speaker 4: who Leslie said represented her. And this was written well 684 00:40:01,476 --> 00:40:04,756 Speaker 4: before any of us had met Leslie, So this Eric 685 00:40:04,876 --> 00:40:09,556 Speaker 4: character has been around for a while. She was just 686 00:40:09,596 --> 00:40:12,916 Speaker 4: writing random, strange stuff about him in her own diary 687 00:40:13,156 --> 00:40:16,516 Speaker 4: as she traveled. Why would Leslie have made a note 688 00:40:16,516 --> 00:40:21,476 Speaker 4: to herself about Eric if he didn't exist, I don't know. 689 00:40:21,916 --> 00:40:24,476 Speaker 4: But it was on these travels that Leslie ended up 690 00:40:24,516 --> 00:40:27,916 Speaker 4: in London, where she met my brother Greg and Eric 691 00:40:27,956 --> 00:40:31,636 Speaker 4: t Weiss would eventually become a fully fledged character in 692 00:40:31,676 --> 00:40:35,916 Speaker 4: this story, convincing enough to full Kiwi Bank into approving 693 00:40:36,116 --> 00:40:43,636 Speaker 4: a one point five million dollar alone. This mysterious Eric 694 00:40:43,676 --> 00:40:47,476 Speaker 4: guy might just be the strangest part of this story. 695 00:40:47,596 --> 00:40:51,316 Speaker 4: He might also be the key to unlocking Leslie's world. 696 00:40:52,076 --> 00:40:55,156 Speaker 4: So next episode, we're going to get well acquainted with 697 00:40:55,276 --> 00:40:59,156 Speaker 4: Leslie's lawyer to the stars. Can you believe this jerk 698 00:40:59,596 --> 00:41:01,876 Speaker 4: Eric t Weiss as your lawyer? 699 00:41:02,356 --> 00:41:09,556 Speaker 11: I am starting to make threats also. 700 00:41:07,556 --> 00:41:13,316 Speaker 4: And it's time for me to go to the United States. 701 00:41:13,356 --> 00:41:16,956 Speaker 4: I'm going to go and find Answers. All right, touchdown, USA, 702 00:41:17,236 --> 00:41:19,516 Speaker 4: I'm going to go and find Leslie. 703 00:41:19,596 --> 00:41:21,716 Speaker 9: What are we getting ourselves into? 704 00:41:24,836 --> 00:41:26,596 Speaker 4: But we've got a muscle curve. It looks like a 705 00:41:26,596 --> 00:41:34,156 Speaker 4: sting ray on Willards. That's next time on snowboard. I 706 00:41:34,196 --> 00:41:36,876 Speaker 4: have to say you've made a pretty unusual choice of snacks, 707 00:41:36,956 --> 00:41:40,636 Speaker 4: But I mean, like, who gets banana chips and beef jerky? 708 00:41:40,916 --> 00:41:41,796 Speaker 12: And I wanted to 709 00:41:41,836 --> 00:41:42,876 Speaker 5: Stay away from sugar