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Speaker 1: They will help you out. I know so many of

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Speaker 1: you have been waiting for this special where we are

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Speaker 1: going to expose China, where we're going to talk extensively

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Speaker 1: But since it's me, we need to open this thing

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Speaker 1: a different way. Have you ever dated somebody just absolutely

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Speaker 1: That's China. That's been us in China, And it's important

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Speaker 1: It's not a propaganda campaign. But China, they carry around

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Speaker 1: Gordon Chang Gordon, thank you for joining us again. We

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Speaker 1: United States. That's completely unacceptable, Gordon. Lastly, your books called

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Speaker 1: about the stability of the Chinese state. But when we're

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Speaker 1: is the Buck Sexton Show. First of all, Buck bro,

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Speaker 1: I am not here to encourage anybody to break the law,

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Speaker 1: right now, I mean, I'm at the point where I've

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Speaker 1: been watching some YouTube videos for how to cut your

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Speaker 1: stream it because it's gonna be a master It's gonna

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Speaker 1: get bad. But I'll tell you, you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: have the President's level of like of swoop over the swoop.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where it's all gonna go.

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Speaker 1: But it's really as you can tell, man, it's getting

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Speaker 1: out of control here. You know what you need and

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Speaker 1: people are gonna have to look this up. Listen to me,

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Speaker 1: everybody look this up as soon as we're done talking tonights.

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Speaker 1: Look up the flowby. There used to be this thing

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Speaker 1: with you, okay, Quarantine, quarantine across the United States of America.

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Speaker 1: I have always pushed obviously everybody knows how I feel,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's ridiculous. How are you handling it?

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Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of people are tired of

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Speaker 1: the same media pundance going on television when they're still

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Speaker 1: Americans are getting wiped out, and they're tired of people

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Speaker 1: going on TV and saying, oh, just quit whining and

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Speaker 1: go back inside. You're only watching Netflix. How are you

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Speaker 1: actually doing with it? I'm starting to pray at the

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Speaker 1: edges a little bit. I'm feeling like people are starting

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Speaker 1: to recognize that this is just this is just not

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Speaker 1: what life is supposed to be. We all know that,

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Speaker 1: but we're running out of tolerance for staying indoors pretty

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Speaker 1: much all the time, not seeing our fellow human beings.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you see what the risks are, and

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Speaker 1: you see what the numbers are, and increasingly, I just

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Speaker 1: think people want to be able to make their own

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Speaker 1: of these really extreme lockdowns in Michigan. You can't even

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Speaker 1: It's like, what are we even doing? So, you know, man,

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Speaker 1: I think that big problem here is you've had the

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Speaker 1: the government at the particularly the public health authorities, didn't

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Speaker 1: see this coming, didn't know, didn't prepare, and then also

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Speaker 1: seeing this as the biggest opportunity to just crush the

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Speaker 1: in the fall. Those two things have come together, and

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Speaker 1: it's very hard to have a reasonable discussion about how

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Speaker 1: long are we all going to be under house arrest,

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Speaker 1: how much how much of this do we really have

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Speaker 1: to endure? You know, we kind of have turned into

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Speaker 1: this just two weeks, two more weeks, two more weeks,

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Speaker 1: threny days, two more weeks. I don't know how many

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Speaker 1: wandering around the streets and my boxer is saying, like,

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Speaker 1: when is the madness going to stop? Dude? This is

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Speaker 1: getting pretty nuts. Buck. Obviously, we're talking a lot about

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Speaker 1: China tonight. It's our China special And to your point

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Speaker 1: that you just brought up, I am not comfortable becoming

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Speaker 1: China just because we get sick. And look, I know

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Speaker 1: I don't want to overstate it. I realize we're not

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Speaker 1: wielding people into their homes the way China did, but

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Speaker 1: we are forcing people to stay in their homes we

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Speaker 1: are placing pastors under arrest. We are issuing tickets to

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Speaker 1: people who dare to attend a church service. We are

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Speaker 1: informing on our fellow citizens all over this country. We're

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Speaker 1: springing prisoners from jail, which is the most odd solution

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Speaker 1: to this problem I've ever heard in my entire life.

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Speaker 1: We're pointing up businesses and saying you're allowed to open,

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Speaker 1: and you're not allowed to open, and you and must close,

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Speaker 1: and you have to close. And this sounds I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: we're doing an entire show on China tonight. It does

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Speaker 1: not appear that the virus is the worst thing we

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Speaker 1: brought here from China. This is not America, this is

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Speaker 1: not freedom. We have to remember that some of the

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Speaker 1: biggest names in the Democrat Party and left wing commentary,

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Speaker 1: you know Tom Friedman over the New York Times, however

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Speaker 1: you want to describe his politics, they've been expressing some

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Speaker 1: degree of admiration for the Chinese command control not just economy,

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Speaker 1: but but society for a long time. They think that

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Speaker 1: China is able to tackle, you know, the challenges of

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Speaker 1: what we would say the Green New Deal better because

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Speaker 1: you know, the smart people, the experts are just going

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Speaker 1: to tell everybody else what to do. And there's so

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Speaker 1: many examples throughout history. I mean history is really full

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Speaker 1: of crises where the experts were put in charge to

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Speaker 1: handle the crisis and the results were disastrous. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: one thing that they don't think about what the Chinese

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Speaker 1: model is what it took to get to the point

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Speaker 1: for them to open up markets. I mean China in

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Speaker 1: living memory. I mean a lot of people. If your

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Speaker 1: parents are boomers, they lived through they live through this.

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Speaker 1: China killed forty to sixty million of its own people

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Speaker 1: with policies about how to raise how to make food essentially,

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Speaker 1: I mean how to run your agricultural system. So the

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Speaker 1: Chinese government being in charge of everything right now over there,

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Speaker 1: and the way that we're talking about it here, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there does seem to be a bit of a fondness

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Speaker 1: on the left or the Chinese approach to dealing with

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Speaker 1: not just you know, the economics, but also dealing with

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Speaker 1: just day to day activities as long as for your

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Speaker 1: own good, Jesse, it's for your own good. The experts

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Speaker 1: have told you that, do it. Do We have a

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Speaker 1: Chinese problem here, Buck, and I mean within the country.

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Speaker 1: I mean we have people like Senator Feinstein, who had

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Speaker 1: professors at some of our most prestigious universities. China has

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Speaker 1: admitted flat out to hacking us. We know they've gone

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Speaker 1: after our NSA before, and we have And look, I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not accusing every paper as hackers, as they

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Speaker 1: are of being under the Chinese thumb. But look, when

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Speaker 1: you have major news organizations, the oldest one in the country,

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Speaker 1: NBC News, flat out repeating Chinese propaganda that no deaths today,

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Speaker 1: what am I supposed to take from that book? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Chinese government has spent and you know,

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Speaker 1: I know, just in case media matters is watching. You know,

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Speaker 1: when we talk about a Chinese problem, right, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the Chinese Communist Party, and of course no one's

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Speaker 1: referring to a billion people as a problem. When you

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Speaker 1: look at what the Chinese government is doing here and

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Speaker 1: what they've been able to do in terms of influence operations,

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Speaker 1: something that anybody who's a student of the Cold War

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Speaker 1: with the Soviet Union would understand very well. The Chinese

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Speaker 1: are far ahead of where the Soviet Union was in

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Speaker 1: their ability to control political conversations, media depictions, pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Here they are way ahead of where the Soviet Union

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Speaker 1: was because the Chinese figured something out in this process.

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Speaker 1: The Chinese government figured out that our pressure point is

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Speaker 1: financial that if you really want to control American society,

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Speaker 1: and the Soviets were always looking at looking at ways

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Speaker 1: to get fellow travelers to essentially get the kami left

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Speaker 1: in this country to back them up on things for

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Speaker 1: ideological reasons. Usually the Soviets weren't, you know, giving people

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars because like they didn't have it to

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Speaker 1: spy for them for the most part, and they weren't

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Speaker 1: using that as the prime The primary appeal wasn't money.

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Speaker 1: The Chinese are saying, do you want access to our markets,

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Speaker 1: then you're going to present the product this way. Do

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Speaker 1: you want access to them, you know, the most the

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Speaker 1: most powerful, fastest growing economy in the world outside of

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Speaker 1: the United States, Then you're going to answer these questions

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Speaker 1: and the way that we tell you, that's a tremendous

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Speaker 1: amount of leverage that they've had for years and years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the NBA, I think is when people kind

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Speaker 1: don't want to upset China, so let's pretend that Hong

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Speaker 1: seen the change, I think in consciousness. Just how powerful

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Speaker 1: the party line, truly, the communist party line coming out

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Speaker 1: of China is, and our discourse and our discussions about it,

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Speaker 1: it's bad news, bad news. Buck Sexton of The Buck

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Speaker 1: it together, my man, get yourself, gotta do it. Be good.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're not done just yet. We got a

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Speaker 1: lot more good stuff for you. Hang on. Well, we

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Speaker 1: need an actual military perspective on all this, because we've

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Speaker 1: broken down every other part of it we possibly can.

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Speaker 1: And I can't think of anybody better to break that

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Speaker 1: down for us than bring it the General Robert Spalding,

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Speaker 1: this is the smartest human being alive. General, First of all,

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Speaker 1: can you explain the differences between China and US militarily,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't, They don't realize that

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Speaker 1: there is a difference. Maybe they're better at this, We're

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Speaker 1: better at that? Or are we better at everything? Aren't

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Speaker 1: they better at everything? What are the differences? Well, primarily

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Speaker 1: as it applies to their neck of the Woods, which

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Speaker 1: is the first and second island chain in the end

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Speaker 1: of Pacific, they're actually quite advanced in terms of their

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Speaker 1: ballistic missile and cruise missile technology. Of course, the United

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Speaker 1: States was a member of the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty

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Speaker 1: with Russia, and that treaty prevented US from building intermediate

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Speaker 1: range ballistic and cruise missiles in the ranges of approximately

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Speaker 1: five hundred to fifty five hundred kilometers, and the Chinese

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Speaker 1: Communist Party use that as a means to build thousands,

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Speaker 1: literally thousands of these weapons very cheaply and target both

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Speaker 1: our aircraft carriers and basis that we have in the region.

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Speaker 1: So they've created a very cheap and efficient deterrent capability

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Speaker 1: with these conventionally armed ballistic and cruise missiles in the

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Speaker 1: intermediate ranges, and we don't have currently a counter counter

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Speaker 1: for that. The President a recently last August pulled out

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Speaker 1: of the I and F Treaty to give us the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: We still haven't built those weapons. In addition, the Chinese

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Speaker 1: Communist Party has been pouring out naval vessels in the region.

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Speaker 1: In fact, they have a bigger navy now than we do,

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Speaker 1: so in their neck of the woods they're far more

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Speaker 1: capable conventionally than we are. Of course, the other element

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Speaker 1: to this is nuclear. They have what they call as

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Speaker 1: a minimum deterrence policy, so they have a minimum amount

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Speaker 1: of nuclear weapons. We have a much larger amount of

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons, and more importantly, we have much more capable submarines,

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Speaker 1: and of course we have the B two stealth bombers,

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Speaker 1: so nuclear wise, we're far superior to them. Conventionally, in

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Speaker 1: their backyard, they're far superior to us. Now, if we're

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Speaker 1: talking about in a wavefight away from the Indo Pacific,

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Speaker 1: then we're far more capable at deploying conventional troops and

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Speaker 1: arms in other places. That being said, we rely a

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Speaker 1: lot on the Chinese for logistics, both the things that

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Speaker 1: we deploy so the manufactured goods, a lot of the petroleum,

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Speaker 1: the process petroleum products, and we rely on their shipping.

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Speaker 1: They have an extensive, far larger seven thousand ships commercial

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Speaker 1: ships to our three hundred or so, so they have

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Speaker 1: a far larger ability to deploy logistics around the world,

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Speaker 1: and we rely on them for a lot of the

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Speaker 1: things we do today in the military. Well, look through

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Speaker 1: the general. I was a lowly corporal, But that sounds

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Speaker 1: to me like a major issue. If they have a

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Speaker 1: fortress of missiles around them and they take care of

685
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Speaker 1: the supply lines, what can we do to them over there?

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Speaker 1: I realize we're not going to have the Chinese crossing

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Speaker 1: and invading our shores, but it sounds to me like

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Speaker 1: this is obviously a million miles away, and nobody wants

689
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Speaker 1: a hot war with China. But should it ever come

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Speaker 1: to that, it doesn't sound I really like we can

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Speaker 1: do a heck of a lot to them. Well, if

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Speaker 1: you think about it, in a lot of ways, we

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Speaker 1: need to kind of reach into our bag of tricks

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Speaker 1: from the Cold War and pull out an old strategy.

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Speaker 1: In fact, in the Cold War, the Russians the Soviets

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Speaker 1: actually far outnumbered US in conventional weaponry in Europe. In

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Speaker 1: the fold of Gap, we had really no capability of

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Speaker 1: meeting them there. Their tank superiorder and fired fighter jets

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Speaker 1: and all their troops in terms of numbers were far

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Speaker 1: large than ours, and in essence what we did is

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Speaker 1: relied on nuclear weapons to deter conflict, and that became

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Speaker 1: the mutually assured Destruction policy, where we said, if you

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Speaker 1: attack in Europe, we're going to use everything we have

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Speaker 1: against you, and that's really what kept the peace. And

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Speaker 1: I think in order to go forward and actually be

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Speaker 1: able to be a dominant economy and dominate in science

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Speaker 1: and technology, which is again what we did in the

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Speaker 1: Cold War, we focused on building our economy, our manufacturing,

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Speaker 1: our science and technology research, and in military we focused

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Speaker 1: on convention to our nuclear deterrence, and of course science

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Speaker 1: and technology allowed us to leap frog them. We did

712
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Speaker 1: things like GPS and stealth weapons and networked warfare. So

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Speaker 1: all of those things are things that we need to

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Speaker 1: go back to and really focus on the military as

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Speaker 1: a deterrent and then focus on building our economy and

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Speaker 1: our infrastructure and our manufacturing. Again, tell me about you

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Speaker 1: mentioned there are no countermeasures for all these cruise missiles

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Speaker 1: that apparently, I mean, that paints a pretty bleak picture

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Speaker 1: on my mind. For instance, you know, an aircraft carrier

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Speaker 1: group going overseas and actually accomplish again anything, it sounds

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Speaker 1: to me like they'd be at the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: ocean before they got close, and you say we don't

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Speaker 1: have countermeasures. Is this one of those things that's easily possible,

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Speaker 1: as in we're going to have them in six months

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Speaker 1: to a year. Is this technology that doesn't exist at all,

726
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Speaker 1: and we're pretty much screwed. Well, we would have to

727
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Speaker 1: basically rethink our weapons posture and our acquisition policy. So

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Speaker 1: rather than buying thousands of F thirty fives and hyper

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Speaker 1: expensive nuclear subs and hyper expensive aircraft carriers, we would

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Speaker 1: have to manufacture in bulk intermediate range ballistic and cruise missiles,

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Speaker 1: essentially position them around the perimeter with our allies and

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Speaker 1: the Philippines and Taiwan and Japan in Korea and really

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Speaker 1: provide like capability to the Chinese. We could do this

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Speaker 1: actually quite cheaply and quite easily, and those weapons are

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Speaker 1: very hard to war game against. In fact, you may

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Speaker 1: remember the scud hunt in the first goal, for its

737
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Speaker 1: very difficult to find mobile ballistic missiles that would create

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Speaker 1: a conventional deterrent to go along with our nuclear deterrent

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Speaker 1: at a very cost effective and affordable resource allocation, so

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Speaker 1: we don't have to break the bank. What we've built

741
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Speaker 1: is a military that really plays well in the Middle

742
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Speaker 1: East and in some respects Europe, but not when facing mobile,

743
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Speaker 1: ballistic and cruise missiles. We really need to rethink the

744
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Speaker 1: force posture that we put in the Endo Pacific. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry to press you on this so much, General, but

746
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Speaker 1: I have heard this from people I trust in the

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Speaker 1: military before, and this whole thing absolutely fascinates me. With

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Speaker 1: the missiles and the defense they've built up. You brought

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Speaker 1: up the naval vessels and the quality because I mean,

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Speaker 1: everybody knows, anyone who knows anything about military and how

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Speaker 1: they function, especially in the navy, that just advanced technologies

752
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Speaker 1: by a few years can make entire navies obsolete because

753
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Speaker 1: one ship can wipe and tire ones out. How much

754
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Speaker 1: better is ours than theirs? Oh? Clearly, in terms of

755
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Speaker 1: combat capability, we have superior weapons. The problem is when

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Speaker 1: you get into numbers, and so you know this, When

757
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: you're out of bullets, anybody can shoot you back and

758
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: you don't really have an ability to defend yourself. And

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Speaker 1: essentially that means that mask has a mass all of

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Speaker 1: its own. And so if you have more numbers, even

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Speaker 1: if we can say kill ten to everyone they have,

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Speaker 1: if they have twenty. That means the other ten are

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Speaker 1: there to kill you. That's what they're building. They're building

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Speaker 1: mask that's what the Soviets built conventionally, and that's what

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Speaker 1: we're dealing with now in the Indo Pacific. How do

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Speaker 1: they have the money for this? And I genuinely mean that.

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Speaker 1: I understand their economy is roughly as big as ours,

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Speaker 1: and they're going up and down, and we're going up

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Speaker 1: and down. And I get all these things, but everything

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00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: you just described sounds awfully expensive to me. And they

771
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Speaker 1: still have a country of a billion people. While I

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Speaker 1: understand most of that slave labor. How do they function

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Speaker 1: as a nation while spending this kind of money on

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Speaker 1: the military. Well, they have purchasing power parody, and which

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Speaker 1: means you mentioned the slave labor. They have lower wages.

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Speaker 1: Their shipyards function much more inexpensively. Of course, they don't

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Speaker 1: have the high quality of their naval vessels, so they

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Speaker 1: can pour out a whole lot more. In fact, they're

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Speaker 1: pulling it out I think one every six weeks a

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Speaker 1: surface combatant. You know, we just can't match those numbers.

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Speaker 1: We put out a ship every two to three years.

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Speaker 1: And so, as I said, when you're talking about the

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Speaker 1: quantity of vessels they're putting out. It's very difficult when

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Speaker 1: we run out of ammunition to really fight them all.

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Speaker 1: So that's the issue that we have today. And more importantly,

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Speaker 1: they're actually using our own retirement funds to build this navy.

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Speaker 1: So they're using their selling stocks in Chinese companies and

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00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: they're turning around and bonds and using that money to

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Speaker 1: build aircraft carriers and service combatants and other military weaponry. General, obviously,

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Speaker 1: everybody likes to war game. What if we have to

791
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: go to China? What if we have to go to China?

792
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Speaker 1: And I don't want to get too red gone here?

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Speaker 1: And I realized we're talking about something we don't ever

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Speaker 1: want to have happened. What if they came here? What

795
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Speaker 1: if that became a possibility? What does that look like?

796
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Speaker 1: How set up are we for something like that? Oh?

797
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: Actually they're already here. You know. You remember Drymurria almost

798
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Speaker 1: got fired for tweeting about Hong Kong. That's what That's

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Speaker 1: the way that the Chinese Communist Party goes to war.

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Speaker 1: They get into our corporations, they get into Wall Street,

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Speaker 1: they get into our think tanks, they get into our universities,

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Speaker 1: They get into our research labs, and they begin to

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Speaker 1: not only take our technology. I already told you they're

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00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: taking our investment dollars. They're also taking over our companies

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Speaker 1: and essentially co opting a lot of the corporate lead

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Speaker 1: and a lot of leaders in Wall Street, a lot

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Speaker 1: of the think tanks. When I was in the White House,

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Speaker 1: trying to get a think tank to expose the influence

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Speaker 1: of the Chinese Communist Party was impossible because they're all

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Speaker 1: receiving funds in some way or another. Either their board

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Speaker 1: of directors are highly co opted by the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 1: Party or they themselves are getting money. Plus you have

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Speaker 1: all the consultants and all the lobbyists that are in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: So essentially this is the way that Chinese go to war.

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Speaker 1: They use money and finance and the market pool of

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Speaker 1: one point four billion Chinese to influence others on how

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Speaker 1: they do things. Brigadier General Robert Spaulding, thank you so

818
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Speaker 1: much for giving us some time today, sir. That was outstanding.

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Speaker 1: I'd steal you for an hour if I could, but

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Speaker 1: I know you're a busy man. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Well. I hope that was eye opening for

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Speaker 1: you about where we've been, where we are now, where

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Speaker 1: we're going, and the things we need to do. Look,

824
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Speaker 1: it's not a time right now. It's not a time

825
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: to lay down and cry, to give up, to say

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Speaker 1: it's hopeless that we lost to China. No, we have not.

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Speaker 1: We have a whole bunch of advantages here. What we

828
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Speaker 1: need is to continue to take this threat seriously. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, you have to give credit to the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration, the first president in a long time to

831
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Speaker 1: take this threat seriously. Make sure you keep electing people

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Speaker 1: who do the same. All right, I know you enjoyed

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