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Speaker 1: All right, back for another week. Chris Brown Steve Tasker

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Speaker 1: with you here on a Monday. Welcome in. So let's

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Speaker 3: So finished up last week, Maddie came in as those

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Speaker 3: The NCAA basketball tournament.

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Speaker 1: I'm pulling the plug forget it, baby, see you later.

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Speaker 3: So was it great?

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Speaker 3: So everybody's like, okay, what about the playoff ticket.

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Speaker 3: the Bills lose playoff games, right with that, Like unbelievable

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Speaker 1: year's honorees will be recognized in the categories of assistant coaches,

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Speaker 1: athletic trainers, public relations directors, equipment managers, and film video directors.

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Speaker 1: Bill's former VP of Communication, Scott Birstall, was previously announced

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Speaker 1: in the public relations category. So two Bill's reps being

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Speaker 1: honored this June, so congratulations to them. The late Abramas.

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Speaker 3: Aby Do was a guy that most of the guys

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Speaker 3: of my era, there's an handful, Bud Carpenter, of course,

442
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Speaker 3: Randy Ribick, Woody Dave ho Janowski, and of course Ed Abramowski.

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Speaker 3: Aby Doo was most of the players both in the sixties.

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Speaker 3: The guys from way back in the sixties, from day

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Speaker 3: one all the way through my era, through the nineties

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Speaker 3: and through the Super Bowl years considered aby Do family.

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Speaker 3: He and his lovely wife Pat they were their family

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Speaker 3: to most of us. And it's really nice to see

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Speaker 3: him on it. And of course Bud Carpenter is a

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Speaker 3: member of that family as well, and Woody and Hoge too.

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Speaker 3: So those are eight and you heard it from the Sabers,

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Speaker 3: and you know, with our guy getting this twenty five

453
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Speaker 3: hundredth game the other night, Now, those guys really are

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Speaker 3: part of their teammate, They really are. They guys consider

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Speaker 3: them as important as any teammate. So congratulations to Abes

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Speaker 3: family and couldn't be happier for him. Prouder on Scott

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Speaker 3: Birch told us, well, who's a close friend of mine

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Speaker 3: as well. Both those guys going in. It's that's awesome,

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Speaker 3: absolutely awesome.

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Speaker 1: Let's go around the NFL. Presented by Kalida Health, an

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Speaker 1: offensive Player of the Year in Super Bowl champ Jackson

462
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Speaker 1: Smith and Jigbug got his bag. Reached agreement with the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks on a four year, one undred sixty eight million

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Speaker 1: dollar contract extension that now makes him the highest paid

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Speaker 1: wide receiver in the NFL. Deal average is a little

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Speaker 1: over forty two million per season and includes one hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty million fully guaranteed. Over seventeen hundred receiving yards

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Speaker 1: last year, I think he had nine touchdowns, just was

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Speaker 1: the best receiver in football last year.

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Speaker 3: It was the offensive player of the year for goodness saking.

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Speaker 3: That's hard to.

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Speaker 1: Do, but there it is, and still very young.

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Speaker 3: Forty two million dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was just what four years ago that

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill got thirty million a year from the Dolphins

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Speaker 1: after he got traded.

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Speaker 3: He is the highest now wide receiver in the history

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Speaker 3: of the National Football League, it's bananas. In AVP.

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, forty nine Ers didn't exercise the ten million

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Speaker 1: dollar option bonus they had on star left tackle Trent

481
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Speaker 1: Williams that was due this past Friday. So now William's

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Speaker 1: salary cap number is going to grow to close to

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Speaker 1: forty seven million. But according to reports, the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers are not overly concerned about They're going to rework

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Speaker 1: his contract before the draft. That's the timeline. Anyway, we'll

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Speaker 1: see if it gets done. So they've got some money

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Speaker 1: to spread out, shall we say, so, they'll just rework

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Speaker 1: his contract and spread out the money and make that

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Speaker 1: cap figure more palatable going forward. Topic of discussion for

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Speaker 1: you today, which Bills player is going to be helped

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Speaker 1: the most by the free agent additions? Some player that

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Speaker 1: you think is going to benefit from some of the

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Speaker 1: guys that have been added to the roster. You can

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Speaker 1: hit us up on the tweetsheet at one Bill's Live

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Speaker 1: or on x however you describe that app these days.

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Speaker 1: But chime in there and we'll read your comments here

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Speaker 1: on the show. Got to take a break here, but

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Speaker 1: send us your tweets tell us which player will be

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Speaker 1: helped the most by the free agent editions the Bills

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Speaker 1: have made. Next here on one Bill's line, Hill player

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Speaker 1: is going to be held most by the free agent

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Speaker 1: additions the Bills have made. You let us know at

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Speaker 1: one Bills live on the tweet sheet, and I think

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Speaker 1: there are some easy choices to be made here. I

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Speaker 1: think there are some other ones that might lie a

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Speaker 1: little deeper in the weeds. I'm curious to see what

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Speaker 1: some of the responses are at this point in time.

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Speaker 1: And we lead off with j G who says Dwayne

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Speaker 1: Carter not adding an interior defensive lineman might mean he

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Speaker 1: makes the roster. Yeah, Dwayne Carter kind of a forgotten

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Speaker 1: guy after rupturing his achilles and missing all of the

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Speaker 1: season last year. We see him out here every day

513
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Speaker 1: working his bahookey off to get back healthy and ready

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Speaker 1: to rolly. He I don't I'll have to double check this.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe he has experience in a three to

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Speaker 1: four system. I believe he played exclusively a four to

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Speaker 1: three system at Duke, so it will be an adjustment

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Speaker 1: for him. I don't know. It's an interesting pick. I'll

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Speaker 1: be the first to admit I wasn't primarily thinking of him,

520
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Speaker 1: but JG is right. They have not added an interior

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman in free agency. They have Fiderian Mathis, who

522
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Speaker 1: was a practice squader last year and then got called

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Speaker 1: up to the active roster in the second half of

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Speaker 1: the season. You obviously have Walker, T J. Sanders at Oliver.

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Speaker 1: You got that a King Besote Hid who was on

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Speaker 1: the practice squad, who's a load. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know anybody else, Yeah, he does have a chance

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Speaker 1: to make the roster.

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Speaker 3: I would Yeah, I'd be surprised if he's not in

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Speaker 3: and around the bill in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 3: But how he comes back, I mean, there's a lot,

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Speaker 3: you know, we don't know. But yeah, they Dion Walker, TJ.

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Speaker 3: Sanders at Oliver, Frederian Mathis, Zion Lod, Dwayne Carter, Tommy,

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Speaker 3: a King Besode and then you've got you know, those

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Speaker 3: are the defensive tackles listed. Then you've got guys like

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Speaker 3: you know, Landon Jackson and Rousseau and the rest. At end,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be interesting to see how that shakes out.

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Speaker 3: We I keep going back to it, but I don't

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Speaker 3: know what this new defensive staff thinks about the guys

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Speaker 3: that are already here. Those opinions will bait will is

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Speaker 3: what Brandon Bean in the scouting department will base all

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Speaker 3: their player evaluations on. If they need to replace that guy,

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Speaker 3: will let you know they got to go find a guy.

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Speaker 3: If they he likes that guy, well, that's a spot

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Speaker 3: you don't need to go replace, right, You're gonna you're

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Speaker 3: gonna keep him. You don't know which of those guys,

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Speaker 3: all of them, none of them, any of them? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: what they think about him?

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Speaker 1: He Dwayne Carter was a player who played in a

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Speaker 1: very similar system in college at Duke to the one

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Speaker 1: that he walked into here under Sean McDermott and Bobby Babbage.

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Speaker 1: It was virtually the same scheme, like a four to

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Speaker 1: two five base where he's one of the four down

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Speaker 1: linemen on the interior. This is different now, so how

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Speaker 1: he adjusts will be important, and what his production looks

556
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Speaker 1: like will obviously be important because he's got an awful

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Speaker 1: lot of competition, including the two rookies, and oh, by

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Speaker 1: the way, t J. Sanders does have experience in a

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Speaker 1: three man front because he played at South Carolina in

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Speaker 1: a three, three, five system. So did Landon Jackson at

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Speaker 1: Arkansas played in a three three five system, so they

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Speaker 1: have experience with, you know, the three down linemen so

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Speaker 1: called underfront. Dwayne Carter does not. And that's not saying

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Speaker 1: he can't be a quick study. I mean the guy

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Speaker 1: went to Duke for goodness sakes. Gotta be pretty smart

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Speaker 1: if you're there, right, So we'll we'll see how that goes.

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Speaker 1: But that's a lot of the projection talk, Steve, that

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Speaker 1: we've talked about already. Yeah, because a lot of these

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Speaker 1: holdovers from last year's roster, a good number of them

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Speaker 1: do not have experience in this system. Like Greg Russeau

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Speaker 1: is an example, and he's moving outside backer Dwayne Carter.

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Speaker 3: We've talked about it a ton too. You don't know

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Speaker 3: what you don't know. Yeah, you don't know if some

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Speaker 3: of these guys are built for it. I mean, good grief,

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Speaker 3: Zion Log six six three twenty five. He's a dude,

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Speaker 3: and he may be better suited to move down inside

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Speaker 3: over the nose. That doesn't mean that's what the plan is,

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Speaker 3: or it might mean the opposite. He's out the door quick.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't he doesn't fit. You know, you can't play

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Speaker 3: that even though he's built for it, even though you've

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Speaker 3: got other guys like you know, Dian Walker, who's six

582
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Speaker 3: seven three point thirty one. But Brian and I have

583
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Speaker 3: both thought, you know, he's a he's more of a

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Speaker 3: finesse kind of even though he's so big. He's an

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Speaker 3: athlete kind of guy. I don't know if he can

586
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Speaker 3: get low enough at six seven, even particularly with the

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Speaker 3: way he plays, his pad level may be too high

588
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Speaker 3: to be down inside taking on double teams. So all

589
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: of that stuff goes in. But he, you know, he

590
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Speaker 3: can learn. I mean good grief, I mean you know

591
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Speaker 3: they can. All all these guys could change their spots

592
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Speaker 3: a little bit to some extent. So Yeah, the question

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Speaker 3: when we get to training camp, is there going to

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Speaker 3: be a different name in there that says, yeah, that

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Speaker 3: guy's getting plugged into that spot. It's becoming because of

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Speaker 3: the DJ Moore signing, because of the d Alford signing,

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Speaker 3: because of the Geno Stone signing. The fact that they

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Speaker 3: did not sign one of those guys yet, is you know,

599
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Speaker 3: starting to become obvious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why absence. Yeah, the most interesting positions

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Speaker 1: in terms of who's lining up and how they look

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Speaker 1: will be along the defensive line and at the linebacker level,

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Speaker 1: because stuff doesn't change terribly much for corners and safeties.

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Speaker 1: It's what the front looks like that changes things for

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Speaker 1: the linemen and the linebackers. And that's where the biggest

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Speaker 1: degree of change is taking place here on the defensive

607
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Speaker 1: side of the ball. So everybody's interested to see who

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Speaker 1: they believe fits best where, and then it becomes well,

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Speaker 1: how do they look now that they're there? Right, And

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Speaker 1: there's no prior knowledge to go off on to some

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Speaker 1: degree with some of these guys who are in this

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Speaker 1: system for the first time.

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Speaker 3: It's common, but it's it's also part of the part

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Speaker 3: of the process because coaches always feel like, listen, the

615
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Speaker 3: guy may not know what he's doing in this defense

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Speaker 3: yet because he doesn't know the words, doesn't know the

617
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: but does can he do the techniques? Can he come

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Speaker 3: pete at a spot that's a little bit different than

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Speaker 3: where he has been for say the last three years,

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Speaker 3: four years, or his whole career or at least you know,

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Speaker 3: since college. Right, So first of all, they just want

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Speaker 3: to know if the guy can do it physically, then

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Speaker 3: they'll they have full confidence coaching steps they can teach

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Speaker 3: him the words. They can teach him all of that

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Speaker 3: other stuff, but can he do it and does he

626
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Speaker 3: want to do it? That's job one and they don't know.

627
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Speaker 3: They don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Seth. On the tweet, he says the Utah boys

629
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Speaker 1: kin kid will have a career year with a proven

630
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Speaker 1: wide receiver on the roster to open things up over

631
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Speaker 1: the top and through the middle. Bishop, I can see

632
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: moving all around the formation pre snap and having a

633
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: big impact as a blitzer and coverage and in run

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Speaker 1: support with a VET like CJ. Gardner Johnson back there. Yeah,

635
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't disagree. If you have three quality safeties,

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Speaker 1: which I think you could argue the Bills do have

637
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: now in Geno Stone, CJ. Gardner Johnson and Cole Bishop, Yeah,

638
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: that could afford you the opportunity to make one of

639
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: those three a moving chess piece, whether it's Cole Bishop,

640
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: where whether it's Gardner Johnson who can line up in

641
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Speaker 1: the slot in addition to playing safety. We'll have to

642
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Speaker 1: wait and see who they deploy as a chess piece,

643
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: and it might be different one week to the next,

644
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Speaker 1: might not be the same guy every week that's being

645
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Speaker 1: utilized in a multi dimensional role. So again, this is

646
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Speaker 1: part of the unknowns that we've been talking about since

647
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: Jim Leonard was named defensive coordinator and we found out

648
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Speaker 1: the defensive system was changed.

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00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: We will find out exactly what this coaching staff believes

650
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: about the players on the roster when we start see

651
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: him seeing them pick new players when it's not just

652
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: about seeing them line up. The new players on the

653
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 3: roster are gonna tell us a great deal. But then

654
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: also obviously when we go out and we start seeing

655
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: them stand around, even in walkthroughs, it's gonna tell us

656
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,959
Speaker 3: a lot about what they really think. They can't hide

657
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: it then, right, So yeah, that's that's what's the that's

658
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 3: the fun part of this whole exercise. They are going

659
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: to get. We are going to get some extra time

660
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: in the preseason, in the in the run, in the

661
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: in the OTAs and that kind of thing because we

662
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: have new head coach.

663
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: Hey, you can start a week earlier.

664
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: They're gonna start a week earlier so that that schedule

665
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: gets moved up and that'll help. But you know that's

666
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 3: what you BROWNI and I are out there. I've got

667
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: my glasses on. We're looking at trying to count heads

668
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 3: and see where everybody's standing, glean information the whole thing.

669
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: And it's so, yeah, that's finally, when when when there

670
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 3: is a deadline that spurs movement, We're going to find

671
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: out some things.

672
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: Can Kaid? I understand the premise there. You got a

673
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: receiver outside to draw attention. Now they can't flood the

674
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: middle of the field with defenders as much. So yeah,

675
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: I'd be willing to go along with that, you know,

676
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: talking about the acquisition of DJ Moore impacting kincaid ability

677
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: to make more plays in the middle of the field.

678
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: Shakir too, for that matter, may even give them the

679
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: opportunity to line Kean Coleman up inside, maybe not exclusively,

680
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: but certainly more often because he was kind of pigeonholed

681
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: in that outside alignment all the time.

682
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: I uh, yeah, kin kid can be a force in

683
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: this offense, and he has been at times. He's just

684
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 3: you know, he's been hobbled, not out, but hobbled, and

685
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: he hasn't been as effective because of you know, he's

686
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 3: been dragging around a bad wheel too often. And I

687
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: think when he's healthy and going, it's completely different on

688
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: this offense, completely differ.

689
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: Well, some of the numbers bearied that out last year.

690
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 3: I mean they're they're when he's in the lineup, they

691
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 3: are tough, tough to beat. I think they're. I'm they're

692
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: eight and two with him in the lineup and like

693
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: two and six without him or something like that. The

694
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: numbers are crazy. I don't know if I don't know

695
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: if those are exact numbers, but it was startling.

696
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: Josh had his highest passer rating. Yeah, targeting him Kinkaid

697
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: is just like over one fifty.

698
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 3: And it's not all about just Josh feeling good about

699
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: throwing it to him him get a lot of it

700
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: is how the defenses see the team, and everybody else

701
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: is better too, because Kinkaid tilts the field a little bit,

702
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: and if he tilts the field away from Shakir, away

703
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: from James Cook a little bit, it's and that that's

704
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 3: changed is exponential because it opens it up for multiple

705
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 3: guys rather than just kin Kaid himself. So I'm, yeah,

706
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: he's I think he's an really important facet to this

707
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: whole outlook for this offense. And of course we don't

708
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: talk too much about this offense because of you know,

709
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 3: the way the roster's constructed at the moment, But that's

710
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: it's gonna be fun in the new stadium man, watching

711
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: these guys grass. I think they're gonna I think they're

712
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: gonna roll again. I think they're I think they're going

713
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 3: to score.

714
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I definitely feel good about the offense

715
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: kind of doing what it's always done for the better

716
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: part of the last five or six years. The defense

717
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: is the big question mark, just because we haven't seen it.

718
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: We don't know what it's going to look like. We

719
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: don't know who's going to be where, at least in

720
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: all eleven spots, and we don't know how people in

721
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: new roles are going to take to those new roles,

722
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: or at least how quickly they will take to those

723
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: new roles and become productive players on that unit. So

724
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: all of those unknowns, I think give fans a little trepidation,

725
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: have some of them biting their fingernails because we have

726
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: not seen a transition like this in nine years. We've

727
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: seen coordinator changes, but the schemes have largely remained the

728
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: same even with coordinator changes, and if you look around

729
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: the league at other coordinator changes that also change the system.

730
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: There's some hiccups early on first six weeks of the season.

731
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: It's not running like a well oiled machine.

732
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: It's been phase two. They have not drafted even Ed

733
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: Oliver when he was taken. I mean Tremaine Edmonds when

734
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: he was taken, Trey White when he was taken, Milano, Benford,

735
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: you know, go back all these these defensive players who

736
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: were drafted, Rousseau, a j A. Panessa. None of those

737
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: guys were expecting well maybe Ed was was, but they

738
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: weren't expected to be like you didn't get this guy

739
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: in the draft and say, wow, he's a game record, Yeah,

740
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 3: this is all right.

741
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: Here we go.

742
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna scheme our defense differently when he's

743
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 3: on the field. None of those guys were like that.

744
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: None of those guys have been like that. And I

745
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: don't think they're probably gonna be able to get one

746
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: of those guys this year, unless you think Chubb is

747
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: gonna be a little bit refurbished and get a little juice. Maybe,

748
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: but none of those guys are gonna be that this year.

749
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: Max Harriston was you know, slowed last year, so I it,

750
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: we haven't been through a trend. This is like, this

751
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: is different than even getting a game wrecord of a player.

752
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: This is like, listen, everybody's gonna have to do a

753
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: big fat reset mentally, physically, it's gonna look different, it's

754
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: gonna feel different, and you've got to get used to it.

755
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 3: It's got to be a new normal for the players.

756
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: We haven't seen You're right, we haven't seen it for

757
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: a long time. It you know, make up and smoke.

758
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: I don't think it will the guys. The guys involved

759
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 3: are too good at both of the coaching leveland on

760
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: the field. I think it's going to be really good,

761
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: but I don't know that it's gonna be really good

762
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: before they even line up.

763
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just just based on past history. When you

764
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: completely change the system and you keep a fair amount

765
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: of players from the previous roster that played in a

766
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: different system, that change takes time to acclimate to to

767
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: recalibrate it as an eleven man unit. Hopefully they're quick

768
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: on the uptake and it's a rapid transition, but if

769
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: it's not, the offense may have to carry them through

770
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: the first month and a half of.

771
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: This sear It doesn't take as long as they used

772
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 3: to in the old days because of free agency and

773
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: all of that. And because of the of the more

774
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: polished nature that players are coming out of college, Guys

775
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: come out ready to learn new systems, and because they

776
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: transfer schools and they got to do it all the time,

777
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: and so they're used to it, and they at the

778
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: lower levels of football, they teach concepts rather than specific roles.

779
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: And wait, here's how you play this spot. It's more

780
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 3: hybridized all over the league and all over the college

781
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: ranks and the pro ranks. So guys are more ready

782
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 3: to do it. So you can do it a little

783
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: faster these days than you were able to in the past.

784
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: And we'll see.

785
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: Break time for us. Here more of your tweets, Which

786
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: Bill's player will be helped the most by Buffalo's free

787
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: agent additions? You tell us on the tweetsheet at one

788
00:42:51,760 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: Bill's Live. Next stay where you are asking you which

789
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: Bill's player will be helped the most by their free

790
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: agent additions. Thus far, we've had some interesting responses. Bill's

791
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: banter is up next, he says, Greg Russo and keon Coleman.

792
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb is a viable pass rusher opposite Grout, which

793
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: should reduce double teams. Coleman does not need to be

794
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: on the perimeter. Now with Moore's addition to the wide

795
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: receiver group, I.

796
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: Hear what Brownie and I have had this conversation. Brownie

797
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 3: has mentioned Coleman being much more effective in the slot

798
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: because he's a big dude, and he's big, he's a

799
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 3: boatload to handle down inside as a slot corner, so

800
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: he'd be a better matchup down inside. The problem is,

801
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: if you put Keon in the slot, somebody has to

802
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: sit down, and it's not gonna be Dj Moore. He'll

803
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: he'll remain outside because that's the reason he's you know,

804
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 3: Keon's down there. But if it's gonna take somebody out

805
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: the field, who's gonna be It's gonna be Khalish Shakir

806
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 3: off the field, or it's gonna be Kinkaid off the

807
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 3: field and a tight end off the field. Who else

808
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: you gonna take off the field? You're not gonna take

809
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: James Cook off the field, tight Johnson go four wide.

810
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: But that's you know, what are you gonna do? You're

811
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: gonna put because here's the thing, Keon, because kin Kaid

812
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: and Shakir are two fantastic inside receivers, really good, and

813
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: they're both good after the Kinkaid's better down the field

814
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 3: than Shakira is. Shakira is a great short catch, long

815
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: run guy, run after catch. So to take one of

816
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: those guys off to make room for Keon, I don't

817
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: know that. I don't know if Kean could play good

818
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: enough to make that a plus, you know what I mean,

819
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: even if he was money, Because you're taking one of

820
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 3: your best players on an offense that has been top

821
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: two or three in scoring every year you're and you're

822
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: sitting them down. Shakiro was the top on the team

823
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: last year.

824
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, in receiving.

825
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, So to take him and sit him down just

826
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: on the chance that Keon could play good, I don't know.

827
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: As for Rousseau, I want to believe that Chubb will

828
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: create more one on ones for Rousseau on the other side,

829
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: but I think we said that about von Miller, we

830
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: said that about Joey Bosa, and I don't feel like

831
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: it's materialized enough now. Rousseau has led the team in

832
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: sacks each the last two years, and in tackles for

833
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: a loss and imbatted passes, So I guess the production

834
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: is there to some degree, but not the double digit

835
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: sack off the chart production type year you know that

836
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: you see from premier pass rushers. I'm very, very interested

837
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: to see Rousseau on the outside with his hand off

838
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: the ground in a two point stanzas outside backer.

839
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 3: It's fun to think about because you've got Russeau doing

840
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 3: that down inside on certain now you have you're thinking

841
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: Dion Walker is gonna be on the field, and then

842
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 3: on the other side, Bradley Chubb's on the field. That's

843
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: a that's a very there's a lot of length.

844
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: And what do yeah, and then what are you doing

845
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: with that? Does he rotate in on obvious passing down?

846
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: It's like, how do you ed? Is how square?

847
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 3: Old's a penetrating, fast defensive tackle. That's gonna be a

848
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 3: real problem Rousseau on the outside. And then you got

849
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: even if Landon Jackson was in there. He's a tall

850
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: dude with length.

851
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: He's expected to be a defensive end, not an outside line.

852
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: And you think, you think about quarterbacks like like Tua

853
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: and Kyler Murray and these guys that are like six

854
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: foot or six even six to one guys, it's gonna

855
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: be hard to find a you know, it's really gonna

856
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 3: bother their vision with five man front and that much

857
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 3: length once the ball is snapped. It's that's why I

858
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: think wanted they think about it. It's it does make

859
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 3: it tough. Yeah, but I get it.

860
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: I just I think people want to believe that it'll

861
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: be a force multiplier for Russo. And I mean, the

862
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: guy does all the right things getting ready for a season,

863
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: puts the work in practice, is hard, has production, but

864
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: just hasn't had that next level Pro Bowl caliber play.

865
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: You know, he hasn't reached that next level that I

866
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: think everybody was hoping he would hit, especially after he

867
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: signed the contract extension last year. Now does a guy

868
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: like Chubb change that for the better for him? It might,

869
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: we just haven't seen it to this point when he's

870
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: had Bosa on the other side or von Miller on

871
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: the other side.

872
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: And and this says nothing about Mike Hoyt coming back

873
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: and if he was anything like he appeared to be

874
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: early in the season last year getting back from an

875
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: achilles man that it's fun to think about because they

876
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: got some athletes there and some guys that really do

877
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: have some chops about getting after the passer. But you know,

878
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: we saw Ed Oliver and Michael Hoyt lineup for two

879
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: quarters the entire season together.

880
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, break time for us here when we come back.

881
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: Our number two begins with CBS Sports, NFL and draft

882
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: analyst Michael Renner has an interesting choice for the Bills

883
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: in his latest mock and we'll talk to him about

884
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: some of these free agent free agency ads by the

885
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: Bills and what Bills players might be most helped by

886
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: that and maybe a scheme change as well on defense.

887
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: Michael Renner coming your way next here on One Bill's Line.

888
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: Love you all boys, We'll do you what.

889
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: Today's he is a feast for the Capitol fime.

890
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 3: The cook is in the kitchen.

891
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: Looks down the sideline, he's got kickade for a twenty

892
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: three yard touchdown and it's intercepted.

893
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: Jumping up in the air. It's better these One Bills

894
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 3: Live presented by Kalida Health.

895
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: All right, good to have you along with us here,

896
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: second hour of the show on a Monday, Chris Brown,

897
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker here on One Bill's Live, and please to

898
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: be joined now by CBS Sports, NFL and Draft analyst

899
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: Mike Renner, who is hard at work with just a

900
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: little over a month before the NFL Draft twenty twenty

901
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: six Live from Pittsburgh, just down the road from US, Mike,

902
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump right into one of your more recent mocks.

903
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: Casey CONCEPTSI owned to the Bills at twenty six. It's

904
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: not an unheard of pick. I think some people have

905
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: moved off of offense since the Dj Moore trade. Why

906
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: do you think it's still a viable possibility.

907
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 5: I think because you can't push the ceiling too high,

908
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 5: right you have Josh Allenen. I think one very viable

909
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 5: round to winning a Super Bowl is just to have

910
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 5: an unstoppable offense. I mean, the Rams were probably the

911
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 5: closest team competitively to the Seattle Seahawks last year, and

912
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 5: that was kind of their route.

913
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 4: Right.

914
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 5: That was the best offense in the NFL, and they

915
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 5: were able to put up points on some of the

916
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 5: best defenses. So I think adding a guy like that

917
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 5: whose skill set is another.

918
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 4: One you don't have in the offense.

919
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: Right.

920
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 5: DJ Moore is much more of a big bodied, yak

921
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 5: type of wide receiver. Khalil Shakir is more of a

922
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 5: slot underneath type of wide shiever. This guy's a vertical separator.

923
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 5: This guy's your downfield threat that you really didn't have

924
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 5: last year. Brandon Cooks was your best option in that

925
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 5: regard obviously, and he's at the end of his rope

926
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 5: in terms of age.

927
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to be that for very

928
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 4: much longer. So this would just be.

929
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 5: An infusion of athleticism that's much needed to that wide

930
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 5: receiving board.

931
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it would be much It would be like

932
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 3: along the lines of the La Rams roster build and

933
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 3: a little bit a little bit perhaps more so not

934
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: quite the same as the Cincinnati Bengals, where they're paying

935
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: everybody on offense and you know, they're kind of kind

936
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 3: of kind of giving a shoulder shrug to the defensive roster.

937
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 3: But you're saying you think that's a I don't know,

938
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: you think you can go the distance? I mean, because

939
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: that's really the ceiling for this Bills team. They switched

940
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: head coaches after winning a playoff game each of the

941
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: last six years. I mean, they were right there year

942
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 3: after year after year. So the expectations for this coaching

943
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: staff are probably higher than any other new coaching staff

944
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: in the league.

945
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 5: And it is you know, you may have switched to

946
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 5: an offensive head coach, right, I think obviously you've invested

947
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 5: a lot defensively in terms of draft capital of late

948
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 5: that really has not been utilized on the offense side

949
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 5: of the ball. So last year it was primarily defense.

950
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 5: That would not surprise me if they go offense now, A,

951
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 5: you're hampered by the fact that you only have those

952
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 5: couple of top hundred picks, right that if you don't

953
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 5: take you know whoever you don't take a twenty six,

954
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 5: you can't address until the third round. But I do

955
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 5: think that again, this is the guy that would impact

956
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 5: right away if you just go, say like nose tackle

957
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 5: or you just go a linebacker.

958
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 4: I don't know how much that moves the needle right away.

959
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 5: I got, like casey, concepts she owned tomorrow changes the

960
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 5: way this offense operates.

961
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: All right. So the next layer of this is how

962
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: likely is it that concepts he owned gets to twenty

963
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: six Because in previous years, whether the class is outstanding

964
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: or above average at receiver, we often see a run

965
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 1: in the late teens to early twenties, which is usually

966
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: just outside the reach of the bills in need if

967
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: they are in fact looking at wide out. So does

968
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: he get there? I think in your estimation is the

969
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: next question.

970
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: That was tough to project.

971
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 5: I think he does because this wide receiver class is

972
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 5: also deep onto Day two, and just historically when that's

973
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 5: the case, it feels like they do last a little

974
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 5: longer in the first round wide receivers because a lot

975
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 5: of people have that in their mind where it's like

976
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 5: do I take one now or do I wait and

977
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 5: get win the second round. Obviously the Bills don't have

978
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 5: that luxury, but I think there's a good chance that

979
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 5: he is still on the board there. But this one's

980
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 5: hard to project because it a lot of different positions.

981
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 4: There are just not a consensus.

982
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: You know.

983
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 5: Some people have casey concept shown wide receiver three, some

984
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 5: people have them wide receiver eight. It's it's just a

985
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 5: unique draft class in that regard that there's really no

986
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 5: true hierarchy to this draft. So tell try to tell

987
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 5: you right now our conception, you know, comes off the board.

988
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 5: It's just gonna be very tough for me to do.

989
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: If the Bills go a different direction. And I know that,

990
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 3: you know, Bradley Chubb signing, they got they got an

991
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: outside rusher. Greg Russau has changed his number, so he

992
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: may move outside and take his hand off the ground.

993
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: If the Bills do go pass rusher or changing two

994
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: a three four go nose tackle, which you know, you know,

995
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 3: where does the scale land on those two spots.

996
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 4: I think nose tackle.

997
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 5: There is someone in this draft that I would take

998
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 5: there and that I think is exactly what they are

999
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 5: missing on this roster.

1000
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 4: That's Kate McDonald from Ohio State.

1001
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 5: I think he is one of the safest run defending

1002
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 5: nose tackles with a high sea that I've seen come

1003
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 5: out in recent years. Now, He's not you know, Jordan

1004
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 5: Davis got drafted higher as a pure nose tackle. There's

1005
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 5: been nose tackles get drafted higher because they offer a

1006
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 5: little bit more pass rush, but they weren't better run

1007
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 5: defenders than this guy was at Ohio State.

1008
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 4: And he still was only twenty years old last year

1009
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 4: doing it.

1010
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 5: He's still young coming out and for what the Bills have,

1011
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 5: which is just a kind of a lot of penetrators,

1012
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 5: not a lot of true eat up double teams, and

1013
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 5: what they're doing, you know, defensively now than what they've

1014
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 5: done in the past, I think he is the perfect

1015
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 5: skill set. That's the guy I would want in this

1016
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 5: nose tackle class. And again, I don't think twenty six

1017
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 5: is too high for his skill set, just given how

1018
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 5: sure a thing he looks at that position.

1019
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 4: Edge is different, though.

1020
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 5: I look at this edge class and there's just a

1021
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 5: lot of guys who have, especially at that point in time,

1022
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 5: that just feel more like Day two picks for me.

1023
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 5: You know, whether it's guys like Cashus Howe, whether it's R.

1024
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 5: Mason Thomas, a Key Mesador, Keldric Falk, who are all

1025
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 5: going to be coming off the board in that sort

1026
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 5: of twenty ish to fortieth ring. I would, in an

1027
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 5: ideal year wait to the second round for those guys.

1028
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 5: I don't think if you draft one year for sure

1029
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 5: getting a guy who's gonna change your fortune as a

1030
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 5: pass rusher. You know some some I think, you know R.

1031
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 5: Mason Thomas from Oklahoma, Gosh's Howl from Texas, A and

1032
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 5: MA I think they can. But I think they're just limited.

1033
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 5: I think they are not going to be every down players.

1034
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 5: They might going to be just designated pass rushes at

1035
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 5: the next level. So I don't love that kind of

1036
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 5: second wave of ed rushers in this class after the

1037
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 5: top three. Because of that, I just would not advocate

1038
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 5: drafting one probably in the twenties, all.

1039
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: Right, So with that in mind and what you had

1040
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: said previously about the receiver class and how some teams

1041
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: might feel you can get one in round two, talk

1042
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 1: to me about the likelihood of you know, buffalo sliding

1043
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: back out of the twenty six hole and you know,

1044
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: maybe moving somewhere into the mid thirties and picking up

1045
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: an extra three and now you have three picks in

1046
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: the top, you know, ninety five or so picks instead

1047
00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: of just two, And does that then justify maybe be

1048
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: one of those additional pass or sure's andy the opportunity

1049
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: to get a receiver.

1050
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 5: Yes, I would advocate that strategy for pretty much anyone drafting.

1051
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 4: I'd say about picks twenty four and on.

1052
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 5: It just feels like the guy you're taking at twenty

1053
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 5: six for most positions won't be too dissimilar a grade

1054
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 5: than the guy you're taking at fifty. And that's just

1055
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 5: the nature of this draft class. There's not it doesn't

1056
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 5: have the depth of other years or the true top

1057
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 5: end talent. It's strong at certain positions, but those positions

1058
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 5: are things like nose tackle, linebacker, safety, positions that just

1059
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 5: don't get drafted highly traditionally. So if you're not in

1060
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 5: the market for those positions specifically, I definitely would advocate

1061
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 5: for trading back just because of the parity in this

1062
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 5: sort of draft class and how much, like I said,

1063
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 5: guy number twenty five on your board versus guy number

1064
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 5: fifty won't be too dissimilar.

1065
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 3: So here's the sixty four dollars question. So you're talking

1066
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: about trading back, and I get it, and the Bills

1067
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 3: have done that. That's how they got Keon Coleman. So

1068
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 3: you're looking at like the first five teams in the

1069
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 3: second round would be the Jets, Arizona, Tennessee, Las Vegas,

1070
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 3: the Giants, the guys at the top of the draft,

1071
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 3: which or if it's somebody else. I mean, you gotta

1072
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 3: find somebody to say, yeah, okay, we want back in

1073
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: the first round? Who who? Who says yes? I mean

1074
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: that's the real question, right sir, we'll trade back if

1075
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: you give us a two. But who's gonna say yes

1076
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: to that? At the other end of that trade?

1077
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 5: I think you look for teams that either have desperate gms, right,

1078
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 5: I would throw the Giants into that mix. They need

1079
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 5: like that one player to get you in that mix, right,

1080
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 5: desperate gms or teams who are truly maybe are one

1081
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 5: player like the Houston Texans, who actually have a lot

1082
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 5: of Day two draft capital, who might want to move

1083
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 5: up and get that one guy. You know, maybe there

1084
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 5: is you know, offensive lignment that slid to that point

1085
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 5: in time, and they're definitely not going to find a

1086
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 5: starting caliber offensive tackle at thirty eight, but maybe one's

1087
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 5: available at twenty six, so they move back in and

1088
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 5: try to find that guy for the long term there,

1089
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 5: even though they have a lot of stop gaps right now.

1090
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 5: So I think those are the teams that I tend

1091
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 5: to look at, the ones who really think they're one

1092
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 5: piece of way or desperate for a position that may

1093
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 5: be drying up. And I would call offensive tackle that

1094
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 5: position that may be drying up at about pick twenty six.

1095
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: And then with respect to the trade market, Steve and

1096
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: I were thinking that it would be a pretty active

1097
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: trade market with ten new head coaches and schemes changing

1098
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. There's been somewhat of

1099
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: a trade market, maybe not as robust as I anticipated.

1100
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: We've seen it in the free agent area of the calendar.

1101
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: Do you think it could maybe ramp up in the draft,

1102
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about trade and draft capital.

1103
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm talking about trading players on contracts who may just

1104
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: not be a fit for the new scheme for that

1105
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: respective team.

1106
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 5: I thought I just saw something the other day that

1107
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 5: there was actually the most trades.

1108
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 4: Now, a lot of them have been like Day three.

1109
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 5: Small Tatum mark for trades, but there's been a lot

1110
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 5: of movement, and I think we'll actually see more.

1111
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 4: And I agree with that essessment.

1112
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 5: We'll see more because not only the turnover and head coaches,

1113
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 5: but because when it's not a super strong draft class.

1114
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 5: And I go back to twenty twenty two, which actually

1115
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 5: had the record for first round picks traded before this, you're.

1116
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 4: That is like, that's a.

1117
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 5: Recipe for teams being willing to move off their first

1118
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 5: round pick for a proven player. We already just saw

1119
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 5: with Jillen want Right, a proven player for a first rounder.

1120
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 5: Because I pick thirty for the Denver Broncos, they might

1121
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 5: not love the chances of what they're going to get there.

1122
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 5: So I think we'll see a lot, maybe not necessarily

1123
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 5: a ton of first rounders moved, but just because of

1124
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 5: the nature of this draft class. And like I said,

1125
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 5: similar to twenty twenty two, and that there's not a

1126
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 5: ton of talent. You'll just see a lot of first rounders,

1127
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 5: second rounders moved for proven commodities here.

1128
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: And when you're saying talent, you're talking like elite of

1129
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: the elite, because I think a lot of people are

1130
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: of the belief that the meat and potatoes of this

1131
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: draft is pretty much round two through four, right, Like,

1132
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: that's what you can get a lot of quality starters,

1133
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: but just not superstars.

1134
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I said, there's good positions.

1135
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 5: If you're drafting a linebacker this year, you're probably getting

1136
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 5: a great player. If you're drafting a safety, you're probably

1137
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 5: in luck. You know, if you're drafting a guard, you'll

1138
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 5: probably get a good player relative to their value. Those

1139
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 5: aren't the positions that go top fifteen, right, And those

1140
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 5: are some of the highest graded players I have on

1141
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 5: my board or those positions. So it's just unique in

1142
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 5: that regard that the best some of the blue chip

1143
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 5: prospects aren't the prospects that go traditionally top ten, top fifteen.

1144
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 5: So some teams, you know, still just won't draft those

1145
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 5: guys top fifteen, even if they're the best players. They

1146
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 5: just don't want to use their draft capital for that

1147
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 5: sort of for lower value positions that you don't get

1148
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 5: the ROI in terms of cap savings. So for all

1149
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 5: those reasons, yeah, I think this draft class it just

1150
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 5: pales in comparison to the past two years.

1151
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we spend a lot of time talking about, you know,

1152
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 3: the Bills and when what their prospects are. We have

1153
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 3: not had a chance over the past nine years to

1154
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 3: talk about a very high draft pick. Who are the

1155
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 3: game wreckers in this draft? I know Mendoz is going

1156
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 3: to go number one, right, and he may very well

1157
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 3: be the guy. He may be the guy that's a

1158
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 3: franchise and we see him for another decade and a half.

1159
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: But who are the game wreckers, if any, in this

1160
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 3: draft that we're looking at.

1161
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 5: So the highest grades I have are guys like Jeremiah

1162
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 5: Loves the Notre Dame running back, Sonny Styles, the Ohio

1163
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 5: State linebacker, Caleb Downs, the Ohio State safety. And again

1164
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 5: that just speaks to my earlier point of not really

1165
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 5: positions draft high.

1166
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 4: That's but because of that my board is set up.

1167
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 5: The actually guys I have higher than him are r

1168
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 5: Vel Reese, the Ohio State linebacker, Slash Edge because I

1169
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 5: think he ends up being a pass rusher in the NFL,

1170
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 5: Ruben Bain the Miami defensive end. And in terms of

1171
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 5: valuable positions, guys who I think are you know, blue

1172
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 5: chip guys of valuable positions.

1173
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 4: That's it. Those two. There are no offensive tackles that.

1174
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 5: I see in the you know, joealt tier of offensive

1175
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 5: tackles or even the way I saw the top of

1176
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 5: last year's class with guys like armand Membou and Kelvin

1177
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 5: Banks who were a top my board, I don't really

1178
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 5: see that. So there's that's why it gets so hairy.

1179
01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 5: Like even at pick three, I'm like, what are the

1180
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 5: Eral's going to do? There's really no obvious option here

1181
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 5: for them. So it's a unique jack class in that

1182
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 5: regard that the tackles, the wide receivers. There's just not

1183
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 5: a blue chip guy that's obvious to take in the

1184
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 5: top five of those positions.

1185
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: Last one for me, Mike Brandon Bean has had a

1186
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: good deal of luck drafting early on day three, you know,

1187
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: Round five has been fruitful for them over the years.

1188
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: Khalil Shakir comes to mind, among others, what positions stretch

1189
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: deep enough to offer you something that you can work

1190
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: with and have a guy that could potentially make your

1191
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster on Day three.

1192
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 5: I'll keep going back to linebacker. I think there's like

1193
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 5: a dozen guys in this class that I would want

1194
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 5: and could start probably next year. For you, that's an oddity.

1195
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 5: I doubt it doesn't go in the top one hundred.

1196
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 5: So I think some of those will stretch on to

1197
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 5: Day three, and that's good news for the Bills, who

1198
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 5: could at least use some depth at that position. So

1199
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 5: I think that's definitely one of them. And I think

1200
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 5: wide receiver, especially if you want some speed, I think

1201
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 5: there are a lot of jitterbug high end athletes in

1202
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 5: this draft class that won't all go top hundred because

1203
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 5: you know, they're like five to nine, five to ten, they're.

1204
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 4: Not the biggest guys, and they're pretty limited.

1205
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 5: But there is a massive amount of guys who are

1206
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 5: like low four to three type of wide receivers who

1207
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 5: can stretch the field that are just gonna be limited.

1208
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 4: But if you need that skill set in your offense,

1209
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 4: there's a bunch.

1210
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 3: Mike Man, go ahead.

1211
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask him. Buddy's guy coming up

1212
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: on the website there, Yeah, what do you.

1213
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 3: Got coming up by. I saw your stuff earlier and

1214
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 3: your compadre out said, we're taking a nose tackle.

1215
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 5: He thinks, yeah, I would not hate if Kane mcown's back,

1216
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 5: Like I've evaluated, I've been doing this twenty fifteen and

1217
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 5: that guy's tape and run defense for again, me and

1218
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 5: a junior. You got to put that in consideration because

1219
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 5: you know, five.

1220
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 4: Years the older you are.

1221
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 5: It's a strength based position, so to be only twenty

1222
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 5: years old, as strong as he is, he'll only get stronger.

1223
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 5: And when you look at the Bills DTS, it's all

1224
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 5: like guys that cannot hold up to double teams. Obviously,

1225
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 5: you guys know that you watch the Bills, so it's

1226
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 5: he would be the skill set that they're missing in

1227
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 5: that front.

1228
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, man, what do you got coming down

1229
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: the line? Though? On tbsports dot com on the NFL page.

1230
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 5: I'll have a board update in two weeks here, just

1231
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 5: working through my player final player ranking, so be on

1232
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 5: the lookout for that when it drops.

1233
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: All right, good luck to hope you don't need a

1234
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: new eyeglass prescription. Stearing at that screen, that's Mike Renner

1235
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: joining us. Thanks very much, Mike, appreciated as old ways.

1236
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: CBS Sports NFL and draft analyst Mike Renner joining us

1237
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: kind of giving us a low down on the twenty

1238
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: four draft class or twenty four twenty six draft class

1239
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: and its depth. I wanted to ask him about day

1240
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: three because everybody focuses on round one so much, and

1241
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: a lot of times personnele exit iktives make their hay

1242
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: on day three when they add a player or two

1243
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: at the back end of the class. The guy makes

1244
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: makes the fifty three man roster, right, and he's a

1245
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: factor in year one, And it sounds like there are

1246
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: guys to be had there at a couple of positions

1247
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: that the Bills could add some depth to linebacker and

1248
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: receiver right.

1249
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 3: The linebacker crew. Like he said, he think there's a

1250
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 3: dozen guys that are plug and play this year, Like

1251
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 3: starting on NFL defenses. When you see talk about that

1252
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 3: too off the ball in the middle of your defense linebackers,

1253
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 3: most most analysts put that guy's one of those guys

1254
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 3: that wears a green dot. So they're special, not just

1255
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 3: on the field, they're you know, got all that stuff going,

1256
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 3: but they're dudes. The guys rally around, they're alphas in

1257
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 3: a room that's hard to be that. That's something that

1258
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 3: a lot of teams really really look for. They really

1259
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 3: look for that guy with the personality that it's going

1260
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 3: to rally defense. Like Shaq Thompson did for the Bills

1261
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 3: last year when he stepped in, he brought his attitude

1262
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 3: with it. He was not shy. I mean he gets

1263
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 3: one start, he standing up in the room going, Hey,

1264
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 3: this is how it's going to be. Let's go, and

1265
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 3: you could tell the difference. That's that's these guys apparently, yeah,

1266
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 3: these twelve guys or so that you know teams are

1267
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 3: looking at.

1268
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm just the Bills have been in a position before

1269
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: where they're drafting late in the round and it's a draft,

1270
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, not unlike twenty twenty two where the class

1271
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: is limited with elite blue chip talent and the Bills,

1272
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: for all we know, may be trying to get out

1273
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: of their spot late in round one and they can't

1274
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: can't get out. And I'm wondering if the consensus is

1275
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: that the meat and potatoes that is draft is in

1276
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: rounds two through four. It's like the question you asked,

1277
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: Who's who's gonna come up and pay a premium to

1278
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: get up there. It might be somebody that needs a

1279
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: quarterback that didn't take them with an early first round pick.

1280
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: But is there a quarterback at bottom around one worth

1281
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: grabbing that they like it that much?

1282
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know that there is. And

1283
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 3: you've heard that there aren't those quarterbacks in this draft,

1284
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 3: like can easily get them with their second So I'm

1285
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 3: with you. It's it's hard to know. But every year

1286
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 3: a couple of hundred guys come out and there's always

1287
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 3: we said it last year, the meat and potatoes of

1288
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 3: that draft were in the in the second to the

1289
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,959
Speaker 3: fourth round as well. You get a ton of guys

1290
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 3: that can really play. One of the reasons they think

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01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 3: these guys are really play is when you when you

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01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 3: project a number one or a first round rating on them,

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01:07:55,240 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 3: that comes with some baggage not just for the player

1294
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 3: but for the organization, where if you pick this guy

1295
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 3: in the first round, people are gonna look at you

1296
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 3: like going, what are you doing? And nobody wants to

1297
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 3: deal with that. They want justification for picking a guy

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01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 3: in the first round. He's got to eat. He's got

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01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 3: to come in and play, period. If he's not, if

1300
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 3: he doesn't. It's like right away, it's like, what's wrong

1301
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 3: with him? What's the deal? When in actuality, the club

1302
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 3: never projected him like that. But they had to take

1303
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 3: somebody and they don't like anybody else, or was it

1304
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 3: such a need for the franchise they gotta take a

1305
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 3: guy at that spot. He's the best one available, even

1306
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 3: though he's not a game wrecker, that kind of player. Yeah, nobody,

1307
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 3: nobody's scared about picking a guy in the second round.

1308
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 3: It's fine.

1309
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to peer into or look

1310
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: through the lens of the twenty two draft, which you know,

1311
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: according to Mike was comparable in terms of lack of

1312
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: blue chip talent, but decent talent. After that, Here's how

1313
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 1: round one went. After Kyle Hamilton went to the Ravens

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Speaker 1: at fourteen Okay, pick fifteen, guard Kenyon Green to the

1315
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: Houston Texans pick sixteen, Johan Dotson to the Commanders, wide receiver,

1316
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,879
Speaker 1: pick seventeen, guard Zion Johnson to the Chargers, pick eighteen,

1317
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:29,839
Speaker 1: wide receiver Traylon Burks to the Titans. Trevor Penning tackle

1318
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: to the Saints, Kenny Pickett, quarterback to the Steelers, Trent

1319
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: McDuffie corner to the Chiefs, Kway Walker linebacker to the Packers,

1320
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: cornerback to the Bills, kyer Elam and then Tyler Smith

1321
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: the tackle to Tech to the Dallas Cowboys, Tyler Lindenbaum

1322
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: twenty five center to the Ravens, Jermaine Johnson to the Jets,

1323
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd the linebacker to the Jags, Devonte Wyatt defensive

1324
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: tackle to the Packers, Cole Strange guard to the Patriots,

1325
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,759
Speaker 1: George karloftis passed rusher to the Chiefs, Daxton Hill's safety

1326
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: to the Bengals, and Lewis seen safety to the Vikings.

1327
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: So there are some familiar names in there, but there

1328
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: are just as many misses as hits, right, and that

1329
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: is the risk when you don't have a plethora of

1330
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: blue chip talent that stretches down past this year. They're

1331
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: saying it might not stretch past twelve, not to mention

1332
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: the fact that, much like twenty twenty two, it's not

1333
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: a strong quarterback draft.

1334
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Speaker 3: It's a problem you're labeling these guys as first or

1335
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 3: second round picks. A lot of it to me, and

1336
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 3: I may get pushed back on this from somebody who's listening.

1337
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 3: But to me, a lot of the problems of taking

1338
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 3: these guys first has less to do with the kind

1339
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 3: of player they're going to be than it does with

1340
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 3: how they're going to be perceived as a first round

1341
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 3: draft pick in the NFL. I mean, the clubs are

1342
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 3: the clubs are committing a couple of dozen million bucks

1343
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 3: to this guy, and if there's doubts about him, which

1344
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: you know there always kind of should be right, they're

1345
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 3: not and they don't know. They don't know.

1346
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: Their job is to know as well as possible. But yes,

1347
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: there are always going to be ones.

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01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 3: I don't think there there's I get the like this

1349
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 3: first round grade. Second, the precipitous drop off that we

1350
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 3: talk about in like there's a twelve guys here and

1351
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 3: then everybody else is beyond them. There's there's not like

1352
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 3: this black and white cliff that it drops off down

1353
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 3: to the next guy because some of it it starts

1354
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 3: to depend on where the guy lands. Okay, I mean,

1355
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,480
Speaker 3: like the thirteenth pick of the draft. He's a nobody

1356
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 3: for this team, but he's a he's a franchise altering

1357
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 3: player for another team if he lands in the right spot.

1358
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 3: But he's never going to reach the right spot, right,

1359
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 3: He not gonna drop that far. All that stuff comes

1360
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 3: into the mix these It's not like the guys after

1361
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 3: the twelfth pick in this draft can't play. It's that

1362
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,919
Speaker 3: they need a little something different than the guys above them.

1363
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 3: The guys above them that first round drink. It doesn't

1364
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 3: matter where they land, right. That's the difference. So it's

1365
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 3: not like the guy can't play or won't play if

1366
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 3: he's after those twelve. It's more things have to be

1367
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 3: in his favor where he does land, and that means

1368
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 3: you can get a guy like Matt Milana who comes

1369
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 3: here in the fifth round and all of a sudden

1370
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Speaker 3: he's an all pro. Or Tyler Linderbaum in twenty that

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01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 3: draft you just mentioned Tyler Linderbaum in twenty twenty two,

1372
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 3: he's he the twenty fifth pick and the guys like

1373
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 3: making nine thousand million dollars now he just signed the deal.

1374
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 3: He's set the market for guards, for centers, for centers,

1375
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 3: I'm sorry for centers. You don't know. So you know

1376
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 3: that's that's the difference in these guys, and that's what

1377
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 3: teams that this guy's that can't miss it, because it

1378
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 3: means no matter where he gets drafted, he's gonna succeed.

1379
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 3: Some of these guys. It starts getting a big Well,

1380
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 3: if he's drafted by twenty five of the thirty two teams,

1381
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 3: he's gonna be fine. This one is only well, maybe

1382
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 3: sixteen of the thirty two teams, he'll be fine. This

1383
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 3: one is like ten teams of the thirty two teams,

1384
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 3: he'll be That's where you're talking about. A lot of

1385
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 3: these guys are gonna be fine wherever they're drafted, whether

1386
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 3: it's twenty fifth or twelve or twelfth. Some of them

1387
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 3: they need to be They need to be drafted by

1388
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 3: the exact right team to thrive.

1389
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: Break time for us here more of your comments on

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01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet. As we are asking you which Bill's

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01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: player is going to benefit the most from the free

1392
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: agent ads, and there's one name that hasn't come up yet,

1393
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: and I'm quite frankly surprised. I'll tell you which name

1394
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: that is when we return here on One Bill's Live,

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01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: presented by coll Out of Health. Back here on One

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01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: Bill's Live on Monday, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you

1397
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: talking about the Bill's player or players who will benefit

1398
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 1: the most from the free agency additions. And I have

1399
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: to tell you, Steve, there's one name that has not

1400
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: come up yet that has surprised me, and that would

1401
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: be one Josh Allen. How does he not benefit from

1402
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: DJ Moore being on this roster?

1403
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 3: Now that's probably true. I dj Moore is gonna at

1404
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 3: I mean the floor of what he could bring to

1405
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 3: the team is a more consistent, steady production at the

1406
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 3: spot opposite Khalil Shakir and Kincaid. That's the floor right

1407
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 3: the top is adding a guy who because of his

1408
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 3: production demands, targets indeed and comes down with comes down

1409
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 3: with clutch catches. I mean that's We had Adam Rank

1410
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 3: on the on the show on Friday, Maddie and I

1411
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 3: and he couldn't say enough good things about DJ Moore.

1412
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 3: And in fact, his take was that any important play

1413
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 3: that happened to the entire season in Chicago was DJ Moore.

1414
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 3: I mean he had every single important conversion and touchdown

1415
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 3: and catch in the entire season. He was indispensable to

1416
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 3: discuss success of their offense. So if you know all

1417
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 3: of that stuff, if that comes in and it's even

1418
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 3: like partly true, he's an upgrade at what they were

1419
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 3: able to get out of that spot last year. So

1420
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 3: you know, plus the fact that he is the kind

1421
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 3: of guy he has been purported to be. I mean,

1422
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 3: it just seems like, man, oh man, this he could

1423
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 3: be a little bit of a shot in the arm

1424
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 3: for an offense that has been really, really good. Anyway, Yeah,

1425
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 3: that's it's fun to think about.

1426
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the tweets you to see what

1427
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: else you guys have in terms of players who you

1428
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: think will benefit from the free agency additions. Josh says

1429
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: Greg Russo is gonna eat Well, we kind of reviewed

1430
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: that already, and I want to believe that that does happen.

1431
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: It's still and I know I've said this before, so

1432
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: I might sound like a broken record. While I like

1433
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: what the Bills have at the pass rusher position, that's

1434
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: gonna probably line up it outside linebacker. In terms of

1435
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: Greg Russo and Bradley Chubb and then Michael Hoyd when

1436
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: he comes back, provided he looks the same as he

1437
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 1: did in the game and a half we saw him

1438
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: last year. None of those guys are true speed bend

1439
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: the end rushers, and I would like the Bills to

1440
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: get one someone that has some juice off the edge

1441
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: and can bring a speed element to the pass rush.

1442
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: I think you have a lot of power rushers here,

1443
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: some speed to power, some just fly out power guys.

1444
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: I just want them to have a varied roll ofdx

1445
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: of pass rushers. And I'm not saying they got to

1446
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,839
Speaker 1: add three more, but give me at least one speed

1447
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: guy that's got juice to burn every time there's a snap,

1448
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: and on third and eleven, they're watching out for that

1449
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: guy because the play takes long to develop and he's

1450
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: going to be there before the play develops.

1451
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, the third and long conversions were exacerbate. Their problems

1452
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 3: on that defensively last year were exacerbated by because they

1453
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 3: had time to run routes, the ball didn't have to

1454
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 3: come out. So yeah, that would be fun.

1455
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: Our Mason Thomas, the Oklahoma pass rusher who I like.

1456
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: He just had his pro day today. He ran a

1457
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: four to sixty seven at the combine. So here are

1458
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: his numbers for the other drills. Thirty four inch vertical

1459
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: ten foot jump, seven to one on the three cone.

1460
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: So I don't know if anybody would call him the

1461
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: elite of the elite, but there's enough explosion there to

1462
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: get the job done. And to me, I see explosion

1463
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:13,440
Speaker 1: and ben the edgibility.

1464
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 3: He's fast enough to take a deep, deep route around

1465
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 3: you know, around the cone, you know, around the circle

1466
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 3: around an offensive tackle and still have speed to get

1467
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 3: there running the extra you know, fifteen feet of depth

1468
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 3: kind of thing. Tackle will try and push him around,

1469
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 3: He'll go ahead and go and still have the speed

1470
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 3: to make that big circle and still get back to

1471
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 3: the quarterback or he can. He does have an up

1472
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 3: and under moove as well. So I'm I'm with you.

1473
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 3: He's the kind of guy you're looking at. You don't

1474
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 3: have any of these guys, or haven't had any of

1475
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 3: these guys on this roster.

1476
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: Maybe since in the entire being era, I don't think

1477
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: you've had a true speed to burn. I mean Vaughn,

1478
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 1: but he was what thirty four when he got here.

1479
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty three? Yeah, I mean yeah, well, yeah, they

1480
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 3: haven't had one of those guys. They're hard to get

1481
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 3: and sometimes when you when you're picking, the problem is

1482
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 3: when you're picking guys where the Bills picking the draft,

1483
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 3: you can find one of those guys maybe, but he's

1484
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 3: limited in other things. He can't he can't play four downs.

1485
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 3: He can't get caught on the field in a rundown.

1486
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 3: He can't get you know, they can't hand the ball

1487
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 3: off running right at him, you know that kind of thing.

1488
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 3: They can't. You can't catch him when you can't drop

1489
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 3: him into coverage. You can't. He's not versatile enough. He's

1490
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 3: got question marks about his game. He's either not big enough,

1491
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 3: he's got injury problems or whatever whatever whatever. Getting one

1492
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 3: of those guys that's really good that you know is

1493
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,600
Speaker 3: you know, gonna be one of those guys you you

1494
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 3: always have huge question marks picking it the bottom six

1495
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 3: of the draft because they've got either they're probably not

1496
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 3: physically built for it or they're now you know, they're

1497
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 3: going to be an outlier if they're really good.

1498
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joseph on the tweets sheet says it's going to

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01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: be keyon having someone like more in the wide receiver

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01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: room will help him grow into a pro. Well, you

1501
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: would hope he would do that largely on his own,

1502
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, if he needs a little mentoring, I would

1503
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,679
Speaker 1: imagine Dj Moore could could fill that bill as well.

1504
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: I feel like they're very committed in this building to

1505
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:31,759
Speaker 1: making it work with Keon set aside the press conference,

1506
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: set aside some of the for lack of a better term,

1507
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:40,600
Speaker 1: maturity things that came up last year that led to

1508
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: him being a healthy and active and even set out

1509
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: for a game. It seems relatively clear to me that

1510
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: they want to make that work. And I think it's

1511
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 1: partly because Joe Brady, you know, after the press conference

1512
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 1: with mister Bergoul and Brandon Bean pretty much put on

1513
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: himself and said I was the guy standing on the

1514
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:06,520
Speaker 1: table for this cat. So I think he's he's motivated

1515
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: to make it work, and hopefully Keon is too. All

1516
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: indications are that he is, so it'd be nice to

1517
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: see that pan out better than probably most are anticipating

1518
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 1: on the outside.

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01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you, Brownie. I think, yeah, Keon's

1520
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 3: got a little bit of a leash because of his

1521
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 3: physical capabilities and because of his attitude. I mean, it's

1522
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 3: not like the guy's a bad guy. You know, he's

1523
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 3: not one of he's you know, he's not reading books

1524
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 3: on the sideline. He's not you know whatever. He's Guys

1525
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 3: like him. They want him around if he can get

1526
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 3: it together. And uh so, I think that's why this

1527
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 3: this coaching staff wants to give him every chance to

1528
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 3: earn it.

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01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 1: Greg on the tweets sheet says, this is a tough one,

1530
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: but my first thought was Max Harston because he'll be

1531
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 1: surrounded by veterans. However, I will go with Josh because

1532
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: he will have true weapons. One guy made the difference

1533
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: for for Greg, I'm gonna say Josh, and I think

1534
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 1: DJ Moore will be a boon to that whole thing

1535
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: because there's a trickle down effect to what more brings

1536
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: to the passing game. We already heard it from some

1537
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: of the respondents on the Twitter poll or on the

1538
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 1: tweet sheet. One of them said, with more outside, that

1539
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 1: should open up more space inside for the likes of

1540
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: Kincaid and Shakir. You check that box. If he's lined

1541
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: up outside, it affords you the opportunity to maybe move

1542
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: key On Coleman inside and unlock better production from him there.

1543
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: It could also afford because I think the one thing

1544
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: that we did notice last year, and I don't think

1545
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 1: this can be debated, is without a true, consistent outside

1546
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: receiver threat last year, it allowed the defense to clog

1547
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, where Kincaid and Shakir were

1548
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,799
Speaker 1: the most dangerous. Weapons in the passing game and reduce

1549
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:15,440
Speaker 1: their effectiveness because they didn't have to respect what was outside.

1550
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,640
Speaker 1: Now you do. And the trickle down effect there I

1551
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: think is noteworthy.

1552
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you saw it in the way their offense

1553
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 3: was attacked so much. I mean the quick release passes

1554
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 3: where Josh should grab it and flick it out to

1555
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 3: the slot receiver and they kind of get what they

1556
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 3: can get. Even some of the special plays they had

1557
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 3: down the field were as a result of Josh, like

1558
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 3: faking the screen in Denver and hitting Kincaid, faking blocking

1559
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 3: and then releasing down the field. Is that as the

1560
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 3: Denver Broncos were moving up to stop those wide receiver

1561
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 3: screens that we get so many calls about everybody hates,

1562
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 3: you know, it turns into a touchdown. I think the

1563
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 3: way Josh was forced to look at defen fences and

1564
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:04,799
Speaker 3: throw the football, they had to manufacture some stuff outside

1565
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 3: the numbers. A lot of a lot of the highlight

1566
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 3: catches you see on the sides and the lines of

1567
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 3: the field and stuff were when Kincaid and knocks early

1568
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 3: on the field, like week one, you saw Palmer catch

1569
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 3: the one, like when they were coming down the field

1570
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 3: to get that last field goal to win it. You know,

1571
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 3: Palmer hits that on the deep sideline when Josh hits him.

1572
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 3: But that was week one and then Palmer gets nicked

1573
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 3: and you know that kind of thing and it disappears.

1574
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 3: I'm I'm with you. I another good player makes you

1575
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 3: that much better. And I think the ripple effects offensively

1576
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 3: with what they had, the kind of hoops they had

1577
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 3: to jump through to make it work last year, and

1578
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 3: they did. I mean they they were highly productive a

1579
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 3: year ago. Making that a little bit of an easier

1580
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,719
Speaker 3: lift for all the guys is gotta be huge.

1581
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: Gonna step aside here and take a break, but we'll

1582
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: get some final thoughts from you on the tweet sheet

1583
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 1: when we return here on One Bill's Live presented by

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Speaker 1: co Lo Out of Health. All right back here on

1585
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: One Bill's Lives and final thoughts on the tweet sheet,

1586
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: Pete says, in terms of the players that will benefit

1587
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: the most from the free agency additions, he says, I'm

1588
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 1: thinking that entire wide receiver room will be helped with

1589
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 1: the addition of DJ Moore, but specifically Shakir and Coleman

1590
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: by stretching the opposing defense. Coleman's success depends on attitude

1591
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: and consistency. We kind of covered that and talked about

1592
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: the trickle down effect that DJ Moore figures to have.

1593
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: John says, Cole Bishop Gardner Johnson brings the chaos and

1594
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: Bishop will thrive. It is going to be interesting to

1595
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:55,839
Speaker 1: see what the combination is. Knowing you have two proven

1596
01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: veterans coming in to line up with Bishop in Geno

1597
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: Stone and CJ. Gardner Johns.

1598
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 3: They've got four guys on the roster plant that are

1599
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 3: listed at safety Geno Stone, Cole Bishop, CJ. Gardner Johnson,

1600
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 3: and Wanda Owens, who's been in the don't forget Jordan

1601
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,839
Speaker 3: Hancock and Jordan Hancock he's listed as a finger quotes

1602
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 3: dB dB so big. Yeah, it's I gotta say I

1603
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 3: like this group better than I did last year's group.

1604
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: Okay. From the court Jester James Cook, the addition to

1605
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: more means teams will have to respect the passing game.

1606
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: More defenses will be less able to put more people

1607
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: in the box, which should open things up even more scary.

1608
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 3: Thoughts man, this is a good question. Do you think

1609
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 3: James Cook is gonna be able to stack another big

1610
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 3: year on.

1611
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 1: Not not as big as he did last year. More

1612
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,480
Speaker 1: often than not, monster years are followed by some regression.

1613
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 1: So I was say, kuon Barkley last year. I think

1614
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: he's still to be productive. I also don't think the

1615
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: Bills are gonna run the ball as much as they

1616
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 1: did last year. I don't think he's getting three hundred

1617
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: plus carries. That's not happening. Yeah, I think he could.

1618
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: He might catch seventy balls though, right he might. He

1619
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: might have Alvin Kamara numbers. I mean Alvin Kamara had

1620
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: three straight eighty reception seasons In this offense with Drew Brees.

1621
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: I think they're going to throw it all over the yard,

1622
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 1: and I think it's going to be a much bigger

1623
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: part of the passing game.

1624
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 3: Do you think Cook has a chance to be Alvin Kamara? Yes, Okay,

1625
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 3: I think he might catch that. Listen to you.

1626
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be somewhere over sixty catches.

1627
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 3: Oh. We had three hundred and nine touches last carries

1628
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 3: last year, Yeah, and then only thirty three receptions.

1629
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:39,839
Speaker 1: I think I think he's got a shot at doubling

1630
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 1: that reception total. Really, Yeah, And I think I think

1631
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:44,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna catches.

1632
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1633
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna have about seventy five to

1634
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: one hundred fewer carries. I think he's gonna be around

1635
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: two hundred car two hundred something carries, So he.

1636
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 3: Had three hundred touches, a third of them or a

1637
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 3: little less than a third will be receptions.

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01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's a pretty good bet to be

1639
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: over fifty next season.

1640
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 3: I would take an eighteen hundred yard from scrimmage year.

1641
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: From yeah, right, I mean, what's the difference, It's all yards, right,

1642
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, I'm all for that.

1643
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1644
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any way you expect him to

1645
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 3: go for sixteen hundred again, just because it's a fat number.

1646
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 3: It's really fat number.

1647
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: Plus teams will be keying on that more so. But

1648
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I am bullish on that. I think, yeah,

1649
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: there will be some lighter boxes if DJ Moore can

1650
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 1: produce in a big way, So we'll see.

1651
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1652
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: Some signing news, Travis Kelsey has finally signed his contract

1653
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,679
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs. It is not a one year deal, dude,

1654
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: it's a three year, fifty four million dollar contract. What

1655
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 1: are they thinking?

1656
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 3: Three year fifty four million I don't know how much

1657
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 3: is guaranteed, but that's a long time to play for

1658
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 3: a guy who thought he was going to retire.

1659
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 1: He's not going to see the end of that contract.

1660
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 1: There's no way the Chiefs have to there's no way

1661
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 1: he's not playing three more years. I think he's playing

1662
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: one more year.

1663
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 3: You can't play NFL tight end. He plays put the NFL.

1664
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 3: I want to play tight end. It's all there is

1665
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 3: at this point.

1666
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 1: I actually like him in that offense because it slows

1667
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: that whole thing down. He's a lumberer. That's it for

1668
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: us today. Steve and I are back with plenty more tomorrow.

1669
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 1: We'll see it once