Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always excited to bring
Speaker 1: up Otto Graham. At the top of the show. I'm
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Westleying podcast studio with
Speaker 1: my friend Patrick Claybon Eric Roberts behind the glass, just
Speaker 1: coming over from so Far seeing one of the games
Speaker 1: of the year. And yes, Nick Shook in Cleveland, you
Speaker 1: dirty dog, you took this game from us, Shook, and
Speaker 1: you were the one covering the score fest that was
Speaker 1: Rams Bills today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I took the game from you, but I also
Speaker 2: gave you the opportunity to go cover your favorite player
Speaker 2: in the history of football, Gino Snow. Okay, I think
Speaker 2: it was a fair trade.
Speaker 3: We'll get to that. That's a good tease.
Speaker 1: We're going NFC West heavy at the top of the show.
Speaker 1: And yes, I mentioned Otto Graham's name because Josh Allen
Speaker 1: did something that no one's done since Otto Graham. Surely
Speaker 1: that would be enough to win the game. Right, Let's
Speaker 1: go over to so Far so to go in.
Speaker 4: Regulation, Stafford from the shotgun looking left, rose right, receiver
Speaker 4: screen cut.
Speaker 5: Block touchdown cooking a cou touchdownlay with one fifty four remaining.
Speaker 3: A receiver screen for.
Speaker 6: A two possession lead over the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 3: That is our friend JB.
Speaker 1: Long, I'm kespn Yes, Puka Nakua on another brilliant play
Speaker 1: call from Sean McVay, more brilliant execution from the.
Speaker 3: Blockers on the outside. They're so good at that.
Speaker 1: And yes, this receiver going twelve for one sixty two
Speaker 1: and a touchdown through the air, also one on the ground.
Speaker 1: There just aren't many receivers like Puka Nakuah. There's not
Speaker 1: many players like Matthew Stafford. There's not many players like
Speaker 1: Josh Allen who might have helped his MVP case on
Speaker 1: a day where.
Speaker 3: They didn't win.
Speaker 1: Forty four to forty two is the final the Rams
Speaker 1: pull off the upset. Patrick called it all that's something,
Speaker 1: and yet we go to you shook when you drilled
Speaker 1: down and think about this game. How did the Rams
Speaker 1: do it? What was the difference between these two excellent quarterbacks?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 2: The Rams made every play that they needed to make
Speaker 2: to get the lead that they needed to outlast the Bills.
Speaker 2: It was the first drive was like a haymaker, a
Speaker 2: twelve play, seventy yard march that ends in the Kirad
Speaker 2: Williams touchdown run, and it's just back and forth, back
Speaker 2: and forth. Then they get the punt block and suddenly
Speaker 2: they're up by ten points. That was the difference. They
Speaker 2: needed to have just enough breathing room just to stay
Speaker 2: out in front of this Bills offense that we know
Speaker 2: can be very explosive with Josh Allen. Matthew Stafford has
Speaker 2: a career or a season high three hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: passing yards in a season in which he's been very
Speaker 2: up and down, very hard to pin down. He was
Speaker 2: very solid today and they came through in the clutch.
Speaker 2: They faced a fourth and five on that drive, a
Speaker 2: couple of plays that preceded that Puka Dakua touchdown, Stafford
Speaker 2: drops back. Tom Brady's already second guessing the decision to
Speaker 2: go Ford on fourth and five, But as we know,
Speaker 2: the worst place to be in football is up six
Speaker 2: with a few minutes left to go, and Sean mcvasas,
Speaker 2: we're not getting stuck in that position. We're going for it.
Speaker 2: Stafford drops, he fires a sidearm rocket over the middle
Speaker 2: to two to two at well, perfect pass, perfect timing.
Speaker 2: First down. They did everything they needed to in the
Speaker 2: biggest spots and that's how you beat a team like
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills, home field advantage or not. That was
Speaker 2: what they needed to deliver, and they did, and it
Speaker 2: took a lot.
Speaker 7: It took a lot of effort.
Speaker 8: The last time the Bills lost the game, it was
Speaker 8: back in Week five to the Texans where Josh Allen
Speaker 8: had that nine of thirty game. This decidedly not a
Speaker 8: Josh Allen nine of thirty game. One of the better
Speaker 8: games that we've seen Josh Allen play, which is saying
Speaker 8: something considering the caliber football player that it is. And
Speaker 8: so Bills fans aren't gonna blame their generational quarterback. They're
Speaker 8: going to look back to that decision that happened. A
Speaker 8: couple of plays before Puka Nukua goes into the end zone,
Speaker 8: there's a third down where the Rams are called for
Speaker 8: a holding. You can either decline the holding penalty and
Speaker 8: make it fourth in fourth and seven, or you could
Speaker 8: take the holding penalty, make it third and seventeen.
Speaker 7: They took the penalty.
Speaker 8: Stafford gets one completion, He gets the completion that was
Speaker 8: mentioning the two two at well. They go on to
Speaker 8: score and then after they score that touchdown, the Bills
Speaker 8: drop down the field with no timeouts, they get a
Speaker 8: second in goal of the one yard line, and they
Speaker 8: like to go.
Speaker 7: For a quarterback sneak and they don't get it, so
Speaker 7: they have.
Speaker 8: To use a timeout, which necessitates the on side kick,
Speaker 8: which leads to the Rams win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of focus in Buffalo and nationally
Speaker 1: on how Sean McDermott finished that game.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: McDermott hasn't been good in those spots before. It was
Speaker 1: the wrong decision to call the time out there. The sneak,
Speaker 1: to me is understandable. Yeah, just because it's Josh Allen
Speaker 1: and it's such a successful play and you're on the
Speaker 1: one and maybe you're thinking the Rams are thinking that
Speaker 1: you're going to throw it there to save your timeouts
Speaker 1: and save the time. That said, when they lined up,
Speaker 1: it was obvious what they were going to do, and
Speaker 1: the Rams stuffed it earlier in the game, And you
Speaker 1: have to give the Rams credit for stuffing it. This
Speaker 1: was a game with very few great defensive plays and
Speaker 1: they did something not many people have done in that spot.
Speaker 1: They stuffed it. The problem is then taking the time out,
Speaker 1: you could aligned back up and then run a play
Speaker 1: and you would have lost fifteen seconds. But even then,
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty seconds is less valuable than that time
Speaker 1: out because that forced them having to go for a
Speaker 1: non side kick.
Speaker 3: I just think Nick, in a game where these two.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks were that good making that the focus is just
Speaker 1: missing the forest for the trees, because the Bills had
Speaker 1: a very long shot to win in that scenario. Anyways,
Speaker 1: there is very little about this game that would have
Speaker 1: indicated they're about to get a three and out when
Speaker 1: the Rams know that they need to get a first down.
Speaker 3: We just saw it.
Speaker 1: The Rams were picking up first downs when they absolutely
Speaker 1: needed to. That last drive that they went on was
Speaker 1: a six minute, fifty five second drive where they killed them.
Speaker 1: So I would have expected Stafford to get it done
Speaker 1: in the end. Anyways, no matter what McDermott did, because
Speaker 1: the Bill's defense, if you want to point fingers, that's
Speaker 1: where the problem is in some of these plays. You
Speaker 1: can't even point the finger at the defense. You said
Speaker 1: solid out of Stafford. This wasn't my game, But man,
Speaker 1: every other time I looked up, there were other worldly throws.
Speaker 1: The nineteen yard out he had to pooka the no
Speaker 1: look he had, he had a deep one a cup.
Speaker 1: I mean, Stafford was absolutely sensational. And our friend Jordan
Speaker 1: rod Rieg is killing herself because she took him off
Speaker 1: quarterback Island and we supported him and he goes out
Speaker 1: there and he just absolutely balls out. So it's pretty
Speaker 1: amazing to outshine Josh Allen on.
Speaker 3: A day like this.
Speaker 1: Shook yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I've been wanting something like this from him all
Speaker 2: season because he's just been so volatile. But it was
Speaker 2: beautiful to see. It was beautiful to see him and
Speaker 2: Sean McVay working in tandem like we've known them to
Speaker 2: do over the last few years and doing so so
Speaker 2: effectively against a team that you knew you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to put up a lot of points against. But you
Speaker 2: go back to what you were talking about, the idea
Speaker 2: that you were gonna get off the field in the
Speaker 2: final defensive possession if you actually kept your timeouts, not
Speaker 2: gonna happen. The Rams with eleven for fifteen on third
Speaker 2: down today, and a lot of that was because of
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, the type of performance had. It's interesting because
Speaker 2: they're seven and six now, they're still in the hunt
Speaker 2: in the NFC West, a division that still doesn't want
Speaker 2: to sort itself out. And there's been multiple times where
Speaker 2: the Rams have been right on the precipice of taking
Speaker 2: a dirt nap of us bearing them for the season.
Speaker 2: Yet each time they find a way to fight back,
Speaker 2: get back on the conversation with wins like this, and
Speaker 2: this is the best one they've had all season. I
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of points in the defense wasn't
Speaker 2: really there, but it was the best one they had
Speaker 2: all season, and it just reminds us they're not going away.
Speaker 2: We have to take them seriously no matter who they
Speaker 2: play for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a moment that they had to have.
Speaker 1: They go to San Francisco on Thursday night. We'll get
Speaker 1: to the rest of the division shortly, but they are
Speaker 1: right in it. So many crazy stats in this game.
Speaker 1: I mentioned out of graam so Josh Allen first quarterback
Speaker 1: with three touchdowns passing and three touchdowns rushing since Auto Graham,
Speaker 1: you boy shook. I mean they say the Browns having won,
Speaker 1: you know, titles, they were winning titles like crazy, and
Speaker 1: for every list that you know, you do the greatest
Speaker 1: of all time or whatever, and you're trying to do
Speaker 1: it respective of era. If you look at Auto Graham's
Speaker 1: Pro Football Reference page and and you know that they
Speaker 1: black out anytime you're leading the league in that category.
Speaker 3: All of his categories are black.
Speaker 1: There is no other quarterback that has led the league
Speaker 1: in everything to even the fraction of a degree of
Speaker 1: Auto Graham. So just shout out to us. I know
Speaker 1: it was a totally different sport back then, but he
Speaker 1: truly did dominate it in a way that other quarterbacks
Speaker 1: probably never have. So it's cool what a guy like
Speaker 1: Josh Allen can can can bring us. Bring his name up, shooky.
Speaker 2: I gotta slide in one more trivia question for you
Speaker 2: guys like to do this autogram more two numbers hide
Speaker 2: that Pro Football Reference page. Okay, his second number was fourteen.
Speaker 2: What was his first jersey number?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's probably something stupid if you're
Speaker 1: telling me seventy nine or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty.
Speaker 7: It was sixty.
Speaker 8: Out there balling, we're in sixty at the quarterback spot.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear to look at Stafford since
Speaker 1: Pokinaka has come back and before because one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I was surprised Jordan was the one that brought
Speaker 1: up to you know pick off Stafford because I thought
Speaker 1: Stafford was playing better over the last few weeks. Now
Speaker 1: I totally supported it too, but she she wanted to
Speaker 1: point out it was the right decision at the time,
Speaker 1: but she she totally regrets it now. But also he
Speaker 1: unlocks some of Sean mcvay's creativity. Right now, pukin Akua
Speaker 1: has three hundred and thirty eighty three yards after being
Speaker 1: the guy in motion since he's come back. That's more
Speaker 1: than double anyone else in the entire NFL. Their whole
Speaker 1: offense is kind of pookin a coua in motion and
Speaker 1: setting him up. Jordan pointed out a really clever play
Speaker 1: where they ran the same screen touchdown the last two
Speaker 1: weeks in a row to Nakua, but they invert where
Speaker 1: the splits are and the alignments, and they just changed
Speaker 1: these little things. But they call the same play and
Speaker 1: then it works and the defense doesn't know it. Jordan, actually,
Speaker 1: let's throw to her in the press room over across
Speaker 1: the street, Sean, You've seen just.
Speaker 4: About every game possible from Puka Nakua, and just two
Speaker 4: and three quarter season, three quarter seasons at this point,
Speaker 4: did he reach a new level for you? Tonight.
Speaker 7: He's such an igniter today.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 9: I thought, obviously, you know, Matthew was in total command.
Speaker 9: I thought Kyron and Blake both had some really tough,
Speaker 9: hard earned runs. I thought the line were strained in
Speaker 9: a little bit. But you know, Puoka, for him to
Speaker 9: come up the way that he did, ultimately to be
Speaker 9: able to cap that drive off that put us up
Speaker 9: nine points, love to be able to get the extra
Speaker 9: point there. But he was awesome, you know. And then
Speaker 9: he's you know, the artist gave me a good stat
Speaker 9: and now he's giving me all types of stats. After
Speaker 9: he missed Cooper Cup, he said, he how about this
Speaker 9: is what the hell are you talking about? First player
Speaker 9: in Rams history to go over one hundred and sixty
Speaker 9: receiving and have a rushing touchdown.
Speaker 2: Who the hell comes up with that number right there?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: But that was he was awesome.
Speaker 8: And and he was singularly the reason that I was
Speaker 8: taking the Rams in the game. I felt confident that
Speaker 8: Puka would be able to get open and have some excess. Uh,
Speaker 8: look at his route combinations, crosses, wide receiver screens, run
Speaker 8: five of them, three outs, a hitch, a slant, and
Speaker 8: in a corner he doesn't for this team. He does
Speaker 8: everything and the Bills talent wise. And again, Pukka is
Speaker 8: is an elite wide receiver.
Speaker 7: He's better than a whole lot of folks.
Speaker 8: I think the Bills have an issue covering elite wide receivers.
Speaker 8: If not for the Nico Collins injury, I think Nico
Speaker 8: would have had a huge game. And again, this is
Speaker 8: a game the Rams barely won, and the Bills are
Speaker 8: a very good team. But in this particular aspect, I think.
Speaker 1: You called it it's a rare Patrick cocking. No, not
Speaker 1: a rare Patrick me and you you talking about your
Speaker 1: own good pick.
Speaker 3: It was it took a lot.
Speaker 1: Look that this is the first time in NFL history
Speaker 1: that that two teams had this money touchdowns without any giveaways.
Speaker 3: Uh this according to next Gen stats.
Speaker 1: I think our guy Dante pointed out, teams were two
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five and with six touchdowns and zero
Speaker 1: giveaways and until the Bills lost this game. So it
Speaker 1: an awesome offensive performance. Eric, you saw across the street
Speaker 1: before heading out here with your baby and your bride.
Speaker 10: Yes, my sixth month old baby was there to watch
Speaker 10: the Rams upset the Bills and it was fun. Though
Speaker 10: it was great. It was a great game. I walking
Speaker 10: over from there, like we were. I was here before
Speaker 10: the game and I walked over. I saw some Rams
Speaker 10: fans and I was like, hey, you know, I just
Speaker 10: want points.
Speaker 3: I want points. I want to have a good time.
Speaker 10: But in that scenario in my head, the Bills win,
Speaker 10: and but you know, Walker rose Thilt got it. You know,
Speaker 10: every play, every play they needed. I'm watching seventeen on
Speaker 10: the line and he was. He was there, that dude,
Speaker 10: the catch on the sideline toe tap like it's a
Speaker 10: catch of the year at candidate.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 10: He was nasty all game. And you know, it was fun.
Speaker 10: It was a good time. I go to these games.
Speaker 10: I try not to be I'm not an analyst on
Speaker 10: that South of Glass guys.
Speaker 3: I watch, I have fun. It was good time.
Speaker 1: It's hey, you got you got your Dodgers had on
Speaker 1: their world champs. As losses go, it's not a conference loss. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it damages their chances to get the one seed, but
Speaker 1: they already have their division championship in their pocket.
Speaker 3: They will regroup.
Speaker 1: This division race, however, in the NFC West is just
Speaker 1: getting going. The Rams made their statement with the Seahawks
Speaker 1: match it and keep the lead to Arizona and off.
Speaker 3: Charbona left side has a first doutle that Sun.
Speaker 5: He's down the thirty the twenty fifteen to ten five
Speaker 5: touchdown Seahawks and they are still chasing sex Charmonay forty
Speaker 5: nine yards to Payder his second touchdown of the game.
Speaker 5: The Seahawks came in saying, we gotta find a way
Speaker 5: to run the ball.
Speaker 3: Holy catfish. They do. He Holy catfish.
Speaker 1: When Steve Rabel is getting excite and surprise, it's a
Speaker 1: great Sunday for me, and maybe he's a little more
Speaker 1: surprised because it was the running game that helped lead
Speaker 1: the way I'm telling you Zach Sharbonnet monster game. They
Speaker 1: end up going for one hundred and seventy six yards
Speaker 1: on the ground, by far, the best effort from one
Speaker 1: of the worst running games in the league this season.
Speaker 1: The Seahawks get it done in Arizona thirty to eighteen
Speaker 1: to stay atop the NFC West race. Yes, they're at
Speaker 1: eight and five, the Rams are at seven and six.
Speaker 1: More on that later, but the Cardinals really a devastating
Speaker 1: three game losing streak for them. The heartbreaker in Minnesota
Speaker 1: sandwiched around two losses to the Seahawks, where ultimately, just
Speaker 1: watching this game, I just think it's not a fair fight.
Speaker 1: The Seahawks players are way better, and after Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: started out so strong, so sharp. On the first drive,
Speaker 1: one of his best drives of the season, a number
Speaker 1: of really clutch, tight throws, including a long touchdown throw,
Speaker 1: he makes a mistake where Ernest Jones, who's just been
Speaker 1: such a good pickup, baits him into this pick where
Speaker 1: he has to flip his hips, and that one interception
Speaker 1: really changed the game to me. After that, it's Derek Call,
Speaker 1: it's Devin Weatherspoon, and you look on the other side
Speaker 1: of the field, it's Jackson Smith th and Jigba playing
Speaker 1: making a great individual play. Gino was solid, but it
Speaker 1: didn't need to be an amazing GINO game. And I
Speaker 1: look at these two teams and I just think your
Speaker 1: search bar Patrick has been overachieving. But if you just
Speaker 1: stack up, like if you're making a draft, between these
Speaker 1: two teams, the Seahawks have way more good players and
Speaker 1: they now have a coaching staff that I think knows
Speaker 1: how to use them. The line play for both sides
Speaker 1: for Seattle on the offensive side and the defensive side
Speaker 1: getting a lot better.
Speaker 8: And not just the difference in the qualities of the
Speaker 8: roster top to bottom, but the Seahawks went out and
Speaker 8: improved the roster. You mentioned the Ernest Jones play where
Speaker 8: it's just very difficult. It's hard enough to play quarterback
Speaker 8: in the NFL, but just see a linebacker spin and
Speaker 8: take a step in the opposite direction, and you know,
Speaker 8: on the broadcast dangle it's like, oh, well, Kyler didn't
Speaker 8: see him, No, he saw him, he just didn't think
Speaker 8: he was there anymore. And he comes back and makes
Speaker 8: a play. Kobe Bryant under cuts the ball later on.
Speaker 8: That was Kyler's second interception, and so many opportunities as
Speaker 8: the game went on, where the Seahawks in the past
Speaker 8: on this season have made mistakes, turnovers, fumbles, Gena will
Speaker 8: throw a pick, snaps going overheads.
Speaker 7: There was none of that.
Speaker 8: Just sustained drives to keep the Cardinals from being able
Speaker 8: to have a comeback, and just a good, solid Seahawks game.
Speaker 8: This is the Seahawks team we were promised to shoo.
Speaker 2: The Seahawks team we were promised. You know, I think
Speaker 2: it's an interesting comparison between the two teams, because I
Speaker 2: think the Cardinals have played above their head and that's
Speaker 2: what's made them, you know, fun to watch. But deep down,
Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of the nexus of the search bar,
Speaker 2: is that, like we have to look up the names
Speaker 2: of these guys if they're playing better than they should,
Speaker 2: so then you'd face a team with a better roster.
Speaker 2: And this is kind of what happens, which is what
Speaker 2: you guys just touched on. But it's also this trend
Speaker 2: the Seahawks have been on this path they've been following
Speaker 2: for the last few weeks, which is Jackson Smith and
Speaker 2: Jigma making big plays, Gino doing a good job as
Speaker 2: a quarterback who doesn't have to go win the game,
Speaker 2: but does a good job of keeping the ships steady,
Speaker 2: the defense continuing to play better and better. That's how
Speaker 2: they beat them two weeks ago. That's how they part
Speaker 2: of why they beat them today. I mean, you get
Speaker 2: you bounce back from leading that touch you know, giving
Speaker 2: up that touchdown drive and you get two picks and
Speaker 2: then the offense goes out and turns that into two
Speaker 2: touchdowns and sudden you got yourself an advance. That's a
Speaker 2: team that's playing very cohesively. But the missing element this
Speaker 2: whole time has been the running game, and that really,
Speaker 2: I think is what the difference is and why they're
Speaker 2: down by so many points that they're now by seventeen
Speaker 2: points in the middle of the third quarter, because the
Speaker 2: running game finally shows up for the Seahawks, which shows
Speaker 2: us their potential, maybe not quite their peak, but that
Speaker 2: range of what their peak could be. If everything like
Speaker 2: that is working. That's super encouraging for them, and it
Speaker 2: kind of gives us a definitive statement on the difference
Speaker 2: between these two teams and where they are over the
Speaker 2: last few years, which is the Seahawks have been a
Speaker 2: team that's, you know, made the playoffs and been contending
Speaker 2: to a degree, and then they change head coaches and
Speaker 2: they make some personnel changes, they get better in the offseason,
Speaker 2: and this is why they're at eight and five now,
Speaker 2: right And then the Cardinals they're in year two with Gannon,
Speaker 2: like they're they're still early on in this whole process,
Speaker 2: and Kyler makes some fun but they're not quite there
Speaker 2: in a personnel standpoint overall, which is why you get
Speaker 2: a thirteen thirty to eighteen final. But at this I
Speaker 2: still I caution. Cardinals fans don't get so discouraged because
Speaker 2: I think that his team still plays hard. You just
Speaker 2: see in games like this how far away you are
Speaker 2: from joining the real contenders in your division.
Speaker 1: Well, you wanted to be playing really meaning football the
Speaker 1: last couple weeks of the season, and you still have
Speaker 1: a chance. You have the Patriots and Panthers the next
Speaker 1: two weeks. I believe if you can win those two
Speaker 1: games and Panthers are not an easy game anymore, you
Speaker 1: get to eight and seven right now. Though they have
Speaker 1: a ten percent playoff chance. Getting swept by the Seahawks
Speaker 1: was devastating to their chances because there are two games
Speaker 1: back of the Seahawks, but it's essentially three because of
Speaker 1: the tiebreaker with four games to go do the math.
Speaker 3: This was kind of a death blow for them, I believe.
Speaker 1: Because I don't think Seattle's gonna totally fall back to
Speaker 1: the pack. Their offensive line has absolutely changed since they
Speaker 1: got Abe Lucas back at right tackle. I do think
Speaker 1: if I'm watching this game as Ryan grabbed their offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: and I just see Charbonay, who's kind of a no
Speaker 1: nonsense runner.
Speaker 3: I want more of him and less of Ken Walker.
Speaker 1: Ken Walker is a great player, but I just want
Speaker 1: that to either be closer to a fifty to fifty
Speaker 1: split or maybe it's ken Walker as the change of
Speaker 1: pace because you just need to keep them on schedule.
Speaker 3: And he's so boomerbus.
Speaker 1: Even Kenny McIntosh, he goes to go seven for thirty
Speaker 1: eight today, so they were getting it going and ken
Speaker 1: Walker would break some big plays in this game too.
Speaker 3: I just mean that they both need to be involved.
Speaker 1: I think Sharbonay's are really steadying force, and it's all good.
Speaker 1: When you play better up front, then you're gonna be better.
Speaker 1: The one concern I think for the Cardinals more long
Speaker 1: term is Charles Davis is on the call and he's
Speaker 1: talking about how when they got into long yarded situations
Speaker 1: and there were a lot today and that helped the
Speaker 1: Seahawks cook up what was going on with the Kyler.
Speaker 1: He was like, we don't have any guys that can
Speaker 1: win one on one. I'm thinking, I'm thinking, like you
Speaker 1: needed some guys who can win in man coverage. You
Speaker 1: can win one on one. I'm thinking, I mean, you
Speaker 1: did take a receiver in the top five, I think
Speaker 1: you can.
Speaker 2: I think the scheme doesn't quite work for him. The
Speaker 2: attempts to get him the football are never really like
Speaker 2: good opportunities for him to make a play. It's kind
Speaker 2: of desperation stuff. And then when they get behind and
Speaker 2: schedule on third down, it's a lot of just Kyler
Speaker 2: trying to make a hero player, just praying for a miracle.
Speaker 2: That's been them the whole year. That's why the running
Speaker 2: game has mattered so much.
Speaker 1: I think it's totally fair to be patient with Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a very, very good pro.
Speaker 1: But I also think it's fair to say, if I
Speaker 1: was doing the draft again, I would take Malik Neighbors
Speaker 1: over him. I would take brock Bowers over him.
Speaker 8: And not to be dismissed, it's just praise for those guys, Yeah, right,
Speaker 8: especially considering the situation where you just need layups. Everything
Speaker 8: can't be a home run ball TOMORV and you can
Speaker 8: throw a screen in the leak. Have brock Bowers running
Speaker 8: any of the twenty seven different routes and variations that
Speaker 8: he does, maybe that does more for the offense, But
Speaker 8: I mean, we're still talking about a Cardinals team that
Speaker 8: is undermanned in many different capacities.
Speaker 1: Yes, but they were so close they really could have
Speaker 1: should have won that Minnesota game. I doubt Sean McVay
Speaker 1: was watching Greg Olsen talk about the Cardinals when they
Speaker 1: kicked that field goal to go up six last week,
Speaker 1: but I was thinking about it when the Rams made
Speaker 1: the opposite decision in this game, and it's like, the
Speaker 1: Cardinals could have won that game, but they're obviously not
Speaker 1: stacking up. The Seahawks have won four straight. They get
Speaker 1: the Packers on Sunday Night Football next week, and then
Speaker 1: they get the Vikings after that, so this division is
Speaker 1: not gonna be easy for them to win. They have
Speaker 1: a very tough schedule. They play the Rams in Week eighteen.
Speaker 1: There's a real solid chance that's going to decide the division,
Speaker 1: and that that's the final Sunday Night football game of
Speaker 1: the year. I'm just throwing that out there a month
Speaker 1: in advance, although you never know, maybe the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers will get back in the mix in this division.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Santa Clara.
Speaker 9: Play the drive on the Chicago sixteen yard line, third
Speaker 9: down and four forty got of a shotgun.
Speaker 3: Looks like froze clock.
Speaker 11: Jawan Jennings diving into the yng ud touchdown.
Speaker 1: Sand friend Cusco, Oh, that's our friend, Greg, Papa KNBR
Speaker 1: Juan Jennings, he's back. I never really left a couple
Speaker 1: touchdowns for him on the day, seven catches, ninety yards,
Speaker 1: George Kidtle goes crazy. The forty nine Ers win thirty
Speaker 1: eight to thirteen. Patrick in a game that had the
Speaker 1: most dominant first half I can't ever remember. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just maybe it's happened. You could come up with
Speaker 1: the stats, but it was three hundred and twenty yards
Speaker 1: for the forty nine Ers, four for the Chicago.
Speaker 8: Bear and it was very reminiscent of the Thanksgiving game
Speaker 8: against the Detroit Lions, where if not for a late
Speaker 8: push at the end of the first half, it would
Speaker 8: have been a similar type set of of dominance. And
Speaker 8: then they go out and have another game just like
Speaker 8: that where the Bears are almost non existent in the
Speaker 8: first half. Meanwhile, George Kittle has five catches for one
Speaker 8: hundred and thirty eight yards and I'm googling how many
Speaker 8: yards Shannon Sharp had in his yardage record for a
Speaker 8: tight end game and they didn't really need it. Brock
Speaker 8: Perdy was sixteen or eighteen in the first half had
Speaker 8: a one hundred and fifty five point eight passer rating,
Speaker 8: and the Bears come out second half that the offense.
Speaker 7: Exists at the very least.
Speaker 8: Caleb hits Romo Dunze for two touchdowns, but this was
Speaker 8: a game where Isaac Garrindo eventually left the game and
Speaker 8: so Patrick Taylor and Dubo Samuel are the remaining ball carriers.
Speaker 7: But despite all that, Brock party left this game as well.
Speaker 8: Hobbleton's Seamon Low and Hide could not look like even
Speaker 8: the weird injury predictor doctors who diagnose on video on
Speaker 8: Twitter probably couldn't even tell you what was going on
Speaker 8: over Brock. But he comes back into the game and
Speaker 8: Rock was good. The forty nine ers are good. Thought
Speaker 8: that they would the Bears would perhaps get the coaching
Speaker 8: firing bump did not work out for Thomas Brown.
Speaker 1: Now, I wonder if the coach firing bump it confused
Speaker 1: us here because it happened when they fired the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator a couple of weeks ago, and it just didn't
Speaker 1: happen because they did get a bump offensively for about
Speaker 1: three weeks, but not here. I mean, the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers came into this game shook, having lost the last
Speaker 1: two by a combined seventy three points. They didn't have
Speaker 1: Trent Williams in the game, they did not have Nick
Speaker 1: Bosa in the game, and yet, yeah, Grendo ends up
Speaker 1: going for one hundred and twenty eight yards from scrimmage
Speaker 1: and had a couple long catches actually in addition to
Speaker 1: running the ball really well before he left with an injury.
Speaker 3: And it's just a blood bath.
Speaker 1: And suddenly you think, Okay, they're six and seven and
Speaker 1: they have a quarterback and.
Speaker 3: They're not out of this division race either.
Speaker 2: I think that you can't like how many rungs on
Speaker 2: a ladder can a coach climb in a season in
Speaker 2: order to get the bump both times they find one's
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators, he's climbed to interim head coach. I don't
Speaker 2: think you can get the bump twice. You can't do it. There,
Speaker 2: So not surprised. I am surprised that it was as
Speaker 2: lopsided as it was, just because I thought the Bears
Speaker 2: would bring more fight on the defensive side against a
Speaker 2: Niners team that has completely overmatched in recent weeks. On
Speaker 2: the flip side, I really needed this type of game
Speaker 2: from brock Purty because he has just not looked largely
Speaker 2: like himself over the last few weeks so much it
Speaker 2: hurt my heart. When I dropped him in QB Index
Speaker 2: this week, I was like, I don't want to put
Speaker 2: him down there, but he just hasn't done enough down
Speaker 2: he fell out of the top ten. I'll tell you
Speaker 2: that I can't even remember off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: He's like mid teens, and this is the type of
Speaker 2: game that'll make him climb back up. And it's again
Speaker 2: because he's able to use the weapons around him. He's
Speaker 2: able to use the George Kittles of the world and
Speaker 2: Juwan Jennings and Gorendo pops off in his first start,
Speaker 2: a start that he talked about during the week is
Speaker 2: being he's very prepared for and he's excited to show
Speaker 2: what he could do well. He showed it today. And
Speaker 2: I also cautioned that this may be some fools gold,
Speaker 2: because the forty nine ers team that we saw in
Speaker 2: the previous weeks is still the team that I think
Speaker 2: they are. Ultimately, they come back and get a really
Speaker 2: nice bounce back win, but then they got to play
Speaker 2: the Rams, the Dolphins the Lions and the Cardinals. Three
Speaker 2: of those or two of those are division games. It's
Speaker 2: going to be a tough battle for them. So I'm
Speaker 2: not going to make any guarantees that like they're going
Speaker 2: to climb back in the race. But for one week,
Speaker 2: it was really nice to see those gold Helmets actually
Speaker 2: put up a fight and dominate a team as opposed
Speaker 2: to getting dominated so soundly like they've been in recent weeks.
Speaker 7: I do have one case for optimism.
Speaker 8: They got talanoa Whu fung A back for the first
Speaker 8: time since Week five, able to play this game. Of course,
Speaker 8: he had the injury late last season, missed the run
Speaker 8: to the Super Bowl, where the defense has had significant problems.
Speaker 7: They've they've had guys missing time.
Speaker 8: Getting him back, perhaps we'll see an improvement on the
Speaker 8: defensive side.
Speaker 1: Well, it sets up a really intriguing Thursday night football,
Speaker 1: Which is all I'm rooting for at this time of
Speaker 1: year is for the game results to keep setting up
Speaker 1: the games to have as sending and important value, especially
Speaker 1: in those primetime windows. And yeah, it's a do or
Speaker 1: die game for the forty nine ers. You have to
Speaker 1: win that game if you're the forty nine ers and
Speaker 1: it's obviously very important for the Rams trying to win
Speaker 1: this division, but it does at least set it up
Speaker 1: on Thursday night where if you can then win that
Speaker 1: game against the Rams, you have a chance. Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: after the game was asked about the kind of the
Speaker 1: talk about whether he could get traded or you know,
Speaker 1: about his commitment, and he just said there's no place
Speaker 1: in the world that he'd rather be more than there,
Speaker 1: and his family feels just as strong as him, if
Speaker 1: not stronger. GM John Lynch also dismissed the topic as comical.
Speaker 1: He's not going anywhere, guys, and for what it's worth,
Speaker 1: and it's not much, but I do love a little
Speaker 1: salty unnamed source quote, even if it's not that believable.
Speaker 1: Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune had a quote from
Speaker 1: a source that said, Kyle prefers one of these two
Speaker 1: quarterbacks pretty strongly and just left it at that.
Speaker 3: And I think he's talking about Brock Party.
Speaker 1: He's talking about the guy who we probably you know,
Speaker 1: deserved to be kicked off KB Island, but both him
Speaker 1: and Stafford with strong responses after being kicked off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he prefers Brock Purty to Caleb Williams, I think
Speaker 1: was the subtext of this source.
Speaker 8: Yes, source close to the forty nine ers, not really
Speaker 8: close to the forty nine ers today at least al
Speaker 8: Shanahan likes Brock party breaking move right.
Speaker 1: They will be giving Brock Purtty that bag and that
Speaker 1: money soon enough. No matter what happens down the stretch,
Speaker 1: We're just getting going. We started the show with a
Speaker 1: little NFC West talk. We're gonna come back from the
Speaker 1: break with one of the most exciting narrative games of
Speaker 1: the year in many different ways. Yeah, we're talking Sam Donald,
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins in Minnesota.
Speaker 6: Re receivers, Right, Sam Donald out of the shot gun.
Speaker 6: Jones picks up a Blitzer cast right Klatt Addison touch down,
Speaker 6: Jordan Kaddiston makes it thirty four twenty one and for
Speaker 6: Sam Donald, that's a high five.
Speaker 1: Great call there by our friend Paul Allen at KFA
Speaker 1: N Yes, Sam Donald throws for five touchdow Downs, only
Speaker 1: had six incompletions three hundred and forty seven yards.
Speaker 3: Oh, he must have been dinking it, dunking it down the.
Speaker 1: Field if you only had five in completions. No, he
Speaker 1: had three plays over forty yards, had another long PI.
Speaker 3: This band was dealing.
Speaker 1: He got Jordan Addison and Justin Jefferson Monster Fantasy days
Speaker 1: and on a day where you watch Kirk Cousins throw
Speaker 1: a couple more interceptions, It's just it's hard not to
Speaker 1: compare the two because the difference in this game was
Speaker 1: number one turnovers. You know, the Falcons turnover three times,
Speaker 1: including a fumble on a kick return in that fourth
Speaker 1: quarter where the Vikings outscore the Falcons twenty one to nothing. Yes,
Speaker 1: this was a tie game going into the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: The Falcons out gained the Vikings overall and were dominant
Speaker 1: yardage wise in the first half of this game, so
Speaker 1: it was not as one side as the final score indicated.
Speaker 1: But the difference was those turnovers, of which Kirk played
Speaker 1: a prom part and Sam Donald didn't even sniff like
Speaker 1: a near interception today. And then it was Sam Donald's
Speaker 1: ability to win versus pressure and win versus the blitz.
Speaker 1: This has been a theme all season, but that play
Speaker 1: that he made to evade pressure and then I find
Speaker 1: Jefferson down the field was fantastic. He ends up going
Speaker 1: four for six for one hundred and sixty three yards
Speaker 1: and two touchdowns against pressure. The numbers are very similar
Speaker 1: against the blitz, and that was the difference. The quarterback
Speaker 1: who makes all the plays that you ask for him,
Speaker 1: and now he's making even more shook like Donald is is.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm here, I'm not. I'm not on the island anymore.
Speaker 1: Like I cannot doubt Sam Donald in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or for him the way he is.
Speaker 3: And what can I do, because I just gotta watch
Speaker 3: the ball. This is the ball. Try to watch the ball.
Speaker 2: Ball, and Sam Donald is playing the ball right now.
Speaker 2: He's playing it well. He plays well under pressure. That's
Speaker 2: been the biggest I think in this season for him
Speaker 2: in his growth, is that the pressure he is no
Speaker 2: longer seeing ghosts. He is now confident on the opposite,
Speaker 2: still delivers, especially in key moments. I mean, there was
Speaker 2: that Cardinals game where he ripped a couple passes down
Speaker 2: the scene, one of them to Jefferson to set up
Speaker 2: that comeback. And then today, by the way, let's just
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pitch this right now, they have that big
Speaker 2: obnoxious horn that I hate in Minnesota. How about let's
Speaker 2: add something else to the repertoire an explosion, a sound
Speaker 2: that is like an explosion, a bomb going off, because
Speaker 2: that's what happened in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 8: Of the scene.
Speaker 2: It was tied at twenty eight to twenty eight, twenty
Speaker 2: one to twenty one, excuse me, and it ends up
Speaker 2: forty two to twenty one. They explode, they drop up
Speaker 2: Bob on the Falcons.
Speaker 3: I think the horn is their thing. I vote to
Speaker 3: keep the horn.
Speaker 2: I like the horn and bomb bomb can be this occasional.
Speaker 2: After the third touchdown, I can bumble interception down to
Speaker 2: the last three possessions for the Falcons. Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,
Speaker 2: end of game for the Vikings. That is how you
Speaker 2: make a statement and prove that you're in the better
Speaker 2: spot than Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4: Currency.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and ultimately it may just be Kirk Cousins that
Speaker 8: turns out to be the difference in these.
Speaker 1: Suit Okay, it's Getty a little of tents here, it's
Speaker 1: Getty a little inteh the bomb, I'm staring daddy.
Speaker 7: The Vikings were.
Speaker 8: About to use the combustibles to get things going and
Speaker 8: do more pillaging and plundering over on the other side
Speaker 8: where Sam Donald to continue the Donald discussion on the run,
Speaker 8: which is next gen stats tracks throws where you're.
Speaker 7: Running eight miles an hour or above.
Speaker 8: Didn't have a single incompletion through one hundred and twelve
Speaker 8: yards and a touchdown a perfect passer rating.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to the touchdown to Jefferson that I was
Speaker 1: talking about JJ in motion.
Speaker 6: To the rank heard Nate Minnesota sixth or eleven on
Speaker 6: third down.
Speaker 3: Sam under a lot of pressure. How'd you get away
Speaker 3: from that? Now we cruise d justin? What open touchdown?
Speaker 6: Justin Jefferson for the forty eight yard reception?
Speaker 3: What's Sam Donald?
Speaker 6: Was Budini for the day and the Vikings have taken
Speaker 6: up twenty thirteen lead.
Speaker 1: That play was so typical of this game because it
Speaker 1: was a third and eight where Falcons get pressure. I
Speaker 1: promise you the Falcons did so many things well in
Speaker 1: this game. They pressured Sam Donald consistently until the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: but before that the pressure rate was at like fifty percent.
Speaker 1: Still finished almost at forty, which is very high. They
Speaker 1: got four sacks of Sam. Darnald kirk Cousins outside the
Speaker 1: two interceptions did play well.
Speaker 3: He threw forty three forty four.
Speaker 1: A lot of those throws were down the field and
Speaker 1: the two interceptions were totally on him and killed what
Speaker 1: was otherwise a good performance. But he did make a
Speaker 1: lot of positive plays, and Rahee Morris pointed that out
Speaker 1: after the fact that he was playing better. But the
Speaker 1: secondary of the Falcons, there's no answer. When you have
Speaker 1: to cover, you have to double cover Jefferson. You got
Speaker 1: guys falling all over the place. Meanwhile, Addison's going eight
Speaker 1: for one thirty three and three touchdowns.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and Jordan Addison caught a lot of those balls
Speaker 8: with defenders draped on him. Poor Di Alford on that
Speaker 8: Justin Jefferson play. If you're for watching the broadcast, you
Speaker 8: look up because Sam Donald gets away from pressure, he
Speaker 8: throws the ball. Alfred is futility diving at least seventeen
Speaker 8: yards away from Justin Jefferson. And the reason that happened
Speaker 8: because if you see, if you look at the all
Speaker 8: twenty two, Jefferson's opened very early. Yes, his arm is
Speaker 8: up the whole way. So all Alford SE's is the
Speaker 8: best receiver in the NFL running by himself. So he
Speaker 8: just puts his head down. He has no idea where
Speaker 8: the ball is. He just hears the crowd and dives
Speaker 8: in a random direction, which makes for great television. It's
Speaker 8: frustrating for the Falcons defense, which, like you mentioned, so
Speaker 8: five sacks of Justin Herbert, five sackses I mean four
Speaker 8: sacks of Sam Donald. They've almost equaled their season SAT
Speaker 8: production in these last two games. Whatever Raheem Morris figured
Speaker 8: out in the by it's been great. The problem is
Speaker 8: the quarterback can't sustain drives and make key plays when
Speaker 8: they need him to make them.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: The running game was fantastic for the Falcons today as well,
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty eight on the ground, Bijon goes
Speaker 1: twenty two for ninety two. Aljier had a couple outstanding
Speaker 1: runs today, ends up with sixty three on the ground
Speaker 1: and Mooney goes deep. It was a little too much
Speaker 1: Ray Ray McLeod for my own liking, and he had
Speaker 1: the fumble on the return, but he goes eight for
Speaker 1: ninety eight. There wasn't that much separating but it kind
Speaker 1: of points out like one of these teams is eleven
Speaker 1: and two and has a real chance to be the
Speaker 1: one seed still in the NFC that they just find
Speaker 1: ways to win. I mean, I watched Kevin O'Connell's post
Speaker 1: games locker room speech thinking we'll get something from it.
Speaker 1: It's like five minutes long, and he hands out fifteen
Speaker 1: game balls because there's just so many guys that are
Speaker 1: awesome on this team right now, he can't help himself.
Speaker 1: You're right, Addison has turned into one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: pounds one of the best contested catch receivers in the league,
Speaker 1: and Jefferson has a monster game. Cashman made a bunch
Speaker 1: of plays, and yes, Kirk Cousins has eight interceptions and
Speaker 1: four fumbles over the last four weeks, which is absolutely brutal.
Speaker 1: Raheem Morris was asked again after the game if he's
Speaker 1: thinking about changing his quarterback.
Speaker 7: Kirk Cousins off quarterback.
Speaker 12: Who have the ability to go watch this tape just
Speaker 12: like we do every single week. You know, Kirk played
Speaker 12: better than he did the week before. We got a
Speaker 12: chance to go out there and focus on us and
Speaker 12: get a chance to go out there and really work
Speaker 12: on what we do and what we do well, and
Speaker 12: we'll do whatever's best to go win football games, and
Speaker 12: Kurt's definitely a part of that.
Speaker 1: We've come just three four weeks away from the Falcons
Speaker 1: seemingly having an intermountable lead in the NFC South and
Speaker 1: we'll get to the Bucks later. But they've blown it
Speaker 1: and there's still four weeks to go. They're not out
Speaker 1: of it yet because their schedule, after a tough stretch,
Speaker 1: finally does open up. The toughest team they play the
Speaker 1: rest of the way is at Washington, So division race
Speaker 1: is not over and Kirk is going to be the
Speaker 1: one leading the charge. But my god, there's something special
Speaker 1: happening in Minnesota this season. It is time now for
Speaker 1: the Sunday Drive, presented by the all new hybrid Toyota.
Speaker 1: Camry didn't think that the Panthers would have a chance
Speaker 1: to be making a game winning drive in Philadelphia, but
Speaker 1: they had a chance.
Speaker 13: Trips right lower fever of the far side. Could they
Speaker 13: even win the game right here?
Speaker 1: But goes Young.
Speaker 7: He's big Chase.
Speaker 13: He's running with the football, still pumping, running, firing and
Speaker 13: down Eagles.
Speaker 4: W slay slay an unbelievable job on the back end.
Speaker 1: That's why he's such a pro slay slay. That's Mike Quick,
Speaker 1: not doing an imitation of like a twelve year old
Speaker 1: girl after you know, seeing their friend do something cool,
Speaker 1: just saying. One of the great cornerbacks of his era
Speaker 1: Darius Slay making a big time play. Merril Reese on
Speaker 1: w ip Man. The Eagles gotta lost this game. I
Speaker 1: can't believe it. I was really tempted to make the
Speaker 1: highlight play Xavier lea Get having a chance on a
Speaker 1: dime from Bryce Young with about forty five seconds to go.
Speaker 1: He was going to catch the ball right near the
Speaker 1: goal line. It goes through his hands with the right call.
Speaker 1: But that was the difference between the Eagles, you know,
Speaker 1: having to score a field goal in about thirty seconds
Speaker 1: left and just getting that victory twenty two to sixteen.
Speaker 3: They survive.
Speaker 1: Patrick, you watch this game closely, what stands out the
Speaker 1: most team?
Speaker 8: What stands out to me was I assumed that the
Speaker 8: windows and Bryce Young has been completing passes and very
Speaker 8: tight windows.
Speaker 7: I assumed that they would be closed.
Speaker 8: I didn't know that Bryce's real talent that separates him
Speaker 8: in anticipation would help against this Philadelphia Eagles defense.
Speaker 7: Coach by Vic Vandree, I was wrong.
Speaker 8: As much as I believe in Bryce Young, I did
Speaker 8: not think that they would be in this game late,
Speaker 8: especially considering that the Panthers run defense and just how
Speaker 8: bad it has been.
Speaker 7: But Philadelphia couldn't.
Speaker 8: Sustain drives some interesting sex taken by Jalen Hurts where
Speaker 8: the pressure is getting to him and he just decides
Speaker 8: to turtle up. I guess perhaps being too careful with
Speaker 8: the football, but you mentioned it. There was a fourth
Speaker 8: down where, just like last week, Bryce has to have
Speaker 8: an anticipation hit Adam Thlen on the sideline. If I'm
Speaker 8: not mistaken, I believe it was the same play where
Speaker 8: Adam Thlen converts a fourth down and they set it
Speaker 8: up perfectly xavierly get comes open. I'm gonna have to
Speaker 8: check next gen stats to see how often he's running
Speaker 8: right to left. Maybe some lack of confidence in that
Speaker 8: direction is what causes him to dive for the football
Speaker 8: when if he just keeps his stride he walks into
Speaker 8: the end zone on a game winner in the closing moments, but.
Speaker 1: In a beautiful throw too that that would have been
Speaker 1: the moment, and it wouldn't have been a game winner.
Speaker 1: It would have been a forty five seconds left for
Speaker 1: the Eagles to get.
Speaker 3: The ball back with one just saying to take the lead.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and anything could happen at that point, but it's.
Speaker 8: I know the Panthers are probably tired of moral victories,
Speaker 8: but they added another one today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Philadelphia stays alive for their bid to get
Speaker 1: that one seed Detroit. With all these tough games down
Speaker 1: the stretch, including the Bills coming up next week, someone
Speaker 1: there is going to be disappointed the Eagles have same
Speaker 1: record as the Vikings. I don't know if you would
Speaker 1: say there's concerns about the passing game. Okay, there are concerns.
Speaker 3: If A J.
Speaker 1: Brown has concerns, I'm concerned. Let's let's listen to a J.
Speaker 1: Brown after the game.
Speaker 12: Offense was incredit What are some things you think they
Speaker 12: need that the offense needs to improve on back passing?
Speaker 5: Ja, I know everybody wants to get a rid pontres
Speaker 5: apology that you know, the receivers, just like running backs,
Speaker 5: want to get in rhythm.
Speaker 2: How hard is it as a receiver to get into
Speaker 2: a rhythm when you guys.
Speaker 7: Only throwing the ball twenty times?
Speaker 1: Incredibly so, I don't know what that song was in
Speaker 1: the background. That was Elliott shore Park's his video there,
Speaker 1: great job, great questions. Both AJ Brown and DeVante Smith
Speaker 1: after the game were pretty frustrated. According to the reporters,
Speaker 1: they are considering they won. Both had four catches, Brown
Speaker 1: for forty three yards, DeVante Smith for thirty seven. The
Speaker 1: Eagles had eighty three net passing yards today and not good.
Speaker 1: If it was like a one week thing, then I
Speaker 1: don't think you'd see that frustration boiling over. But the
Speaker 1: passing game has been disjointed, I would say for the
Speaker 1: last three to four weeks. I don't think it's fair
Speaker 1: to put it on the running game that somehow the
Speaker 1: running games fall the passing games disjointed. It's just it's
Speaker 1: not quite all the way there. Are you concerned at
Speaker 1: all about that shook?
Speaker 2: Yes, because the only reason or the only time I've
Speaker 2: found that they've succeeded through the air has been when
Speaker 2: they've gone up tempo, and they only do that in
Speaker 2: small stretches in games. They did that I think last week,
Speaker 2: and that's usually what unlocks it and what ends up
Speaker 2: being is a lot of consecutive passes to aj Brown
Speaker 2: for eight, ten, fifteen yards and moves the ball down
Speaker 2: the field, and it just happens for small periods in
Speaker 2: a game. It's not consistent. And I think that you
Speaker 2: kind of see both sides of what the Eagles are
Speaker 2: right now, which is like you have Saquon, who's a dog,
Speaker 2: who's a monster, who finishes games incredibly well, who puts
Speaker 2: another great stat line together today to bolster's MVP case.
Speaker 2: And then on the other side, you have the team
Speaker 2: that still can't throw the ball well. It's so much
Speaker 2: that their top two receivers are visibly frustrated after a win,
Speaker 2: like music's playing in the locker room and they're upset
Speaker 2: because they know that they're not where they could be
Speaker 2: right now. And I'm kind of concerned that with a
Speaker 2: month left now, that they're maybe not going to figure
Speaker 2: it out because it's kind of endemic like it's been.
Speaker 2: Most of the season has been like this, save for
Speaker 2: a few stretches there. I mean, I know they've won
Speaker 2: a ton of games in a row, but they haven't
Speaker 2: been perfect through the passing game for a long time.
Speaker 2: And it's been covered up by the fact they have
Speaker 2: Saquon and they have these small stretches. And when you
Speaker 2: get to the playoffs, suddenly, if a team focuses all
Speaker 2: of its efforts on stopping Saquon, can you revive that
Speaker 2: passing game. It's just a small weakness in a team
Speaker 2: that I have a lot I really highly regard right now,
Speaker 2: especially because of their defense, the way they played, Like
Speaker 2: the fact that the Panthers push them to the limit
Speaker 2: doesn't concern me. It's it's how their offense is operating
Speaker 2: right now and looking ahead.
Speaker 8: That's what worries me over On, I think, because the
Speaker 8: Eagles are going to lead the league in angry wins
Speaker 8: like forever.
Speaker 3: That's just that's a chiefe thing this year.
Speaker 8: But fair both both of them, two very good football teams,
Speaker 8: decidedly different levels of frustration in the fan basis after wins.
Speaker 8: The Panthers have the ball for thirty three minutes in
Speaker 8: this game. I mean the Eagles were seven of twelve
Speaker 8: on third down. Jalen Hurts only threw the ball twenty
Speaker 8: one times, right, so Saquon got twenty carries. They're just
Speaker 8: I know, AJ and Davante and everybody wants the ball more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but twenty one times means he was sacked. How
Speaker 1: many times in this game? Four by the Panthers is
Speaker 1: not good. That's twenty five dropbacks for eighty three yards.
Speaker 1: It's pretty bad.
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, it's it's not ideal.
Speaker 8: But what I'm saying is I think it's not a
Speaker 8: panic button type situation. The Panthers have been in close
Speaker 8: games with good teams. Here, they were on the road,
Speaker 8: bryce played while they they had an opportunity to win
Speaker 8: the game, the Eagles still won the left to sue.
Speaker 3: It was it was an ultimate spot for a bit
Speaker 3: of a letdown game.
Speaker 1: They've had a lot of big time games in a row,
Speaker 1: again against good, important competition. They have a tough Steelers
Speaker 1: game next week, and it was a big win to
Speaker 1: try to batten down this NFC East title because you
Speaker 1: just kind of assume at this point they're gonna win it.
Speaker 1: They're up to ninety seven percent to win the NFC East,
Speaker 1: so still very important that they got it done. I
Speaker 1: do think the key factor here is they haven't had
Speaker 1: the trio AJ Brown, Devon de Smith, and Dallas Gatter
Speaker 1: on the same field at the same time very often.
Speaker 1: And there isn't a bigger cliff in terms of from
Speaker 1: your third target to your fourth, and now that you
Speaker 1: take Goddard out of there, then there is on this
Speaker 1: Eagles team, and so I think it's easier to roll
Speaker 1: your coverages to the two wide receivers. Grant Calcotara's their
Speaker 1: third leading receiver. They never have found a third wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and Goddard surprisingly got put on IR. I did not
Speaker 1: know his injury was that serious. So he's out at
Speaker 1: least the next four weeks. I think there is hope
Speaker 1: that he'll be back potentially for the playoffs, but he
Speaker 1: is not going to be helping them until week eighteen
Speaker 1: at the very earliest. Still, they get out of there
Speaker 1: with the win, and yeah, the Panthers, they hold on
Speaker 1: to their spot in tankthon it's crowded. There's seven teams
Speaker 1: there no eight teams with either two or three wins,
Speaker 1: so it's crowded at the bottom and a fourth win
Speaker 1: would have put them in a bad spot. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: mentioned the Falcons lost a little earlier, the Bucks coming
Speaker 1: off their by in this incredibly soft portion of their schedule,
Speaker 1: could they take advantage against the Raiders.
Speaker 14: Six yards to hang on to it, get a fresh
Speaker 14: lighted announced third down and six shotgun.
Speaker 7: Look, it's out type pass pawn by Man McMillan. How
Speaker 7: much funny outside the numbers?
Speaker 14: Ten five three two one touchdown, Tampa Bay touchdown, Tampa
Speaker 14: Bay fire of the cabbage. That's the tigger, the final mail,
Speaker 14: and the Raiders will go home without a way today.
Speaker 1: That's right, Jeene Deckerhoff my man on WFUS. If it's
Speaker 1: a Bucks highlight, it's usually a short Baker Mayfield passed
Speaker 1: all beautifully blocked and a lot of yards after the catch.
Speaker 3: It's just a fact.
Speaker 1: Mayfield goes for two ninety five three touchdowns, does have
Speaker 1: a couple interceptions, and the Raiders hang around longer than
Speaker 1: expect did because the Bucks had such a quick lead
Speaker 1: in this game. But the Bucks win twenty eight to thirteen.
Speaker 1: They are seven and six, and they have sole possession
Speaker 1: of first place in the NFC South Shook any concern
Speaker 1: that they didn't put it away earlier, or do you
Speaker 1: like what you saw out of the Bucks?
Speaker 2: Well, first off, long live the chief Baker Mayfield hater
Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal, glad you are still a top of your throne.
Speaker 2: That was great, nice little dig there, and some of
Speaker 2: it's valid because Baker is doing what we've talked about
Speaker 2: in recent weeks, which is kind of like running out
Speaker 2: of time. His internal clock has gone off, but he
Speaker 2: refuses to give up on plays, and it's producing mistakes.
Speaker 2: It's producing an interception in the end zone just before half,
Speaker 2: really nice played by Klebon Chason to make a pick
Speaker 2: earlier in the game on a short pass. He tipped
Speaker 2: up mirror and to himself for the interception. But Baker
Speaker 2: also fumbles possession away. It's just not very clean. It's
Speaker 2: not consistent, and for a while we could blame it
Speaker 2: on the fact he didn't have Mike Evans. Well, Mike
Speaker 2: Evans is back, and he's he comes in and out
Speaker 2: of the picture sometimes. They were just talking about on
Speaker 2: the broadcast how he leaned so much on him, but
Speaker 2: he wasn't really making much of a difference. He hits
Speaker 2: him for a pas that I think they end up
Speaker 2: turning the ball over on that on that series. So
Speaker 2: it's just it's not as consistent as I would like
Speaker 2: to see from them, and yet they still win the game.
Speaker 2: They played with their food for like two and a
Speaker 2: half quarters in this game today, because they knew they
Speaker 2: were playing the Raiders. They went out to a fourteen
Speaker 2: nothing lead. The Raiders made it interesting. They made it
Speaker 2: fourteen to ten. They scored off of a turnover, and
Speaker 2: then for a while they were just kind of trading
Speaker 2: mistakes until one team decaid, you know what, let's finish
Speaker 2: this thing off. I would like to see the Bucks
Speaker 2: be a more dominant team against the low league team
Speaker 2: like the Raiders than they were on Sunday. That starts
Speaker 2: at quarterback. They also lost Bucky Irving in this game
Speaker 2: to injury. Rashad White, you know, finishes the job seventeen
Speaker 2: for ninety and a touchdown. It just wasn't the resounding
Speaker 2: win I was looking for. It still a win, that's fine.
Speaker 2: I might be splitting hairs here, But as we get
Speaker 2: into the stretch run of the season here and they're
Speaker 2: really trying to finish off this comeback in the NFC South,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need to see more consistency from this offense.
Speaker 2: And it starts again with the quarterback, who is a
Speaker 2: never say die guy, but might need to learn how
Speaker 2: to give up on a player two along the way.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there there was a sequence there in the second
Speaker 8: half where Jack Jones gets called for pass interference and
Speaker 8: they go right back at Jack Jones very aggressively does
Speaker 8: Baker Mayfield. This is in the red zone. Jack Jones
Speaker 8: picks it off the ray. The Raiders in this game,
Speaker 8: it told Aidan O'Connell gets a very late hit by
Speaker 8: Elijah Canzy pushed from behind, leaves the game in an
Speaker 8: air cast, and then once it's Desmond Ridder time, essentially
Speaker 8: the game is gonna be over no matter what. The
Speaker 8: Bucks still had to get yards in points in the
Speaker 8: second half to win. There was a Mike Evans thirty
Speaker 8: nine yard catch that ultimately took him to I think
Speaker 8: sixty nine yards, just barely locking up my.
Speaker 7: Write this down, just barely.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, your.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 8: I thought big Mike was gonna get the ninety five
Speaker 8: or so he needs the average did not finish with
Speaker 8: that because there's some issues in this past game, Gregan.
Speaker 8: I don't know if it's Bucky Irving not necessarily being there.
Speaker 8: They've had injuries be huge this season. They can't quite
Speaker 8: get all the pieces together, but when they do they
Speaker 8: look good. They didn't look good today.
Speaker 1: I mean they had seven point one yards for play.
Speaker 1: They get over four hundred yards in the end. The
Speaker 1: opening script counts too, and Liam Cohen has been among
Speaker 1: the best in the league at that they team to
Speaker 1: start their games so fast and their running game being
Speaker 1: able to get a big run out of Sean Tucker
Speaker 1: and survive when Bucky Irving goes down is big. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're probably getting Desmond Ridder for a month now, which
Speaker 1: is crazy that the Raiders have to play four more
Speaker 1: games in this season. Like I was thinking, with some
Speaker 1: of these games we have coming up. We haven't gotten
Speaker 1: to the drugs yet, but it's like you would you
Speaker 1: would want, like it'd be fine to just sim their
Speaker 1: seasons to the end so they don't need to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they have to play these other teams that do matter,
Speaker 1: and that would be a competitive balance problem. So Desmond
Speaker 1: Ridder is gonna play. I guess the positive if you're
Speaker 1: a Ridder head or a Raiders fan. His numbers were
Speaker 1: almost identical to Aidan O'Connell. O'Connell eleven for nineteen for
Speaker 1: one oh four, Ridder twelve for eighteen for one oh one.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're just kind of the same, but we did have.
Speaker 8: Aidan O'Connell's first career scramble yard Oh I'm a four
Speaker 8: yard jaunt for first down. The play took about ten seconds,
Speaker 8: but he got it. An O'Connell has scrambled, but it.
Speaker 3: Feels like a pyrrhic victory on a day where his
Speaker 3: leg exploded. Unfortunately.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well soon see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get better.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Michael Mayer two, who had personal troubles
Speaker 1: earlier this season, was out for personal reasons for a
Speaker 1: long time. I know there was concerned about him. Now
Speaker 1: he's coming back and he's playing good football. Seven for
Speaker 1: sixty eight. There they are at two and eleven, and
Speaker 1: like I said, the Bucks in first place in the
Speaker 1: NFC South. I don't think they're necessarily playing any better. Shook.
Speaker 1: They just got the soft part of their schedule and
Speaker 1: have taken care of it to their credit.
Speaker 3: Three and zero.
Speaker 1: They get a tougher game in La next week, and
Speaker 1: in the locker room afterwards, they were blaring going back
Speaker 1: to Cali immediately, so they couldn't even enjoy this win.
Speaker 3: They were already thinking about next week. That's what That's
Speaker 3: what winners do.
Speaker 2: It was it, what version of it was? It was
Speaker 2: that the biggest Malls one or the lesser known ll
Speaker 2: cool J song that my mom loves to reference all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 7: It was Biggie.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, Okay, I assume so, but I'm old enough
Speaker 1: that I don't think of that as necessarily the lesson.
Speaker 2: No, it's the superior version.
Speaker 1: That's definitely superior. A right, you know what else is superior?
Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's talk about them a little bit
Speaker 1: after the break. Yes, Shook watched his favorite team, the Brownies,
Speaker 1: face the Steelers for the second time in three weeks.
Speaker 15: Back in a minute, Calvin Austin in motion left to right,
Speaker 15: Wilson gets a snap back looking at a.
Speaker 3: Fire over to the middle of the field.
Speaker 7: It is complete.
Speaker 3: It is a touchdown.
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh Steelers Pat fryar Booth makes the reception and boots
Speaker 6: them all up into.
Speaker 3: The stands here at Atrashuer Stadium.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, what a great job getting inside position on
Speaker 6: the defensive back then being able to score on that
Speaker 6: scorched and smoking ball road by Russ.
Speaker 1: That is Craig Wolfley. We didn't get Ron his brother
Speaker 1: on the show earlier, but we got Craig in there.
Speaker 1: Rob King on the call as well for WDV. The
Speaker 1: Steelers get a twenty seven to fourteen victory over the Browns.
Speaker 1: Takes a little while for this Steelers machine to get going.
Speaker 1: But did you really think that Mike Tomlin was gonna
Speaker 1: let this team lose to the grounds twice in three weeks. No,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. And ultimately shook it was. It
Speaker 1: was pretty comfortable for US Steelers win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they you know, they got up to a slow
Speaker 2: start early punt, James Winston makes a nice start to
Speaker 2: Jerry Judy for a touchdown, and then they just kind
Speaker 2: of settled in and became the Steelers again.
Speaker 3: You know, this is a game.
Speaker 2: We're coming off of a four hundred yard performance from
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, so everybody's focusing on the Steelers offense and
Speaker 2: how suddenly explosive they can be with Russ and Russ
Speaker 2: is having a great stretch of football and he had
Speaker 2: another strong game today, but he finished with one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty eight passing yards. This game was one by
Speaker 2: their defense. This game was won by Alex high Smith,
Speaker 2: by TJ. Watt, by Cam Hayward. You could just name
Speaker 2: all the guys down the list. They made play after play.
Speaker 2: They capitalized on Jameis Winston risks. They picked him off
Speaker 2: every time. The Browns looked like they might have had
Speaker 2: a shot to get back into the game, including when
Speaker 2: Dustin Hopkins missed two field goals. The Steelers just took
Speaker 2: advantage and ran away with it. But Russ is playing again,
Speaker 2: some very solid football, some very high quality football, making
Speaker 2: passes like that the Pat Freyermouth. It's actually it's become
Speaker 2: a treat, like as somebody who watched the slow decline
Speaker 2: of Russ and Seattle and Denver, I thought he was done,
Speaker 2: and watching him fitness offense and the way that it operates,
Speaker 2: and how balanced they are because they can run the
Speaker 2: ball effectively well too, even if the numbers don't show it,
Speaker 2: they can. It's really fun to watch them. They're a
Speaker 2: damn good football team. There's nothing I can say about them.
Speaker 1: That okay, but every game I happen to text with
Speaker 1: like a Russ Hayter where it's like every game they
Speaker 1: think it's their game to finally start enjoying, like Russ struggling,
Speaker 1: and it always starts. It seems like it starts that
Speaker 1: way half the time, except for against the Bengals, like
Speaker 1: at one point he had thrown he had dropped back
Speaker 1: like sixteen times and they had forty six yards, and
Speaker 1: they were just punting and punting and punting, and he
Speaker 1: was making you know, bad decisions and stuff, and they
Speaker 1: always seemed to figure it out to their credit. Like,
Speaker 1: what do you think it was that that changed in
Speaker 1: this game for the Browns other than maybe it was
Speaker 1: just opportunity that the Browns defense could only hold up
Speaker 1: for so long and the Steelers just kept getting the
Speaker 1: ball back to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate to say because it sounds super cliche,
Speaker 2: but halftime adjustments, Like Russ gets to halftime and he's
Speaker 2: completed a grand total of eight passes on sixteen attempts
Speaker 2: for forty six yards. The Steelers has an offense, I
Speaker 2: have one hundred and twenty seven yards. The Browns only
Speaker 2: had one hundred and twenty four. And yet the Steelers
Speaker 2: had found a way to take a thirteen to seven
Speaker 2: because their defense and given them short fields. Third quarter arrives,
Speaker 2: Russ completes six of eight for ninety one and two touchdowns,
Speaker 2: and suddenly it's a landslide victory for them. He figured
Speaker 2: it out. A lot of that is the adjustments, figuring
Speaker 2: out what Jim Schwartz is doing, how to capitalize, and
Speaker 2: then by the fourth quarter, you have Grant delp With
Speaker 2: looking up to this guy just wondering why, God, why
Speaker 2: is this happening to us again? The Cleveland Browns, you
Speaker 2: know a team that that fights hard. I give them credit.
Speaker 2: They fight hard even when they have pretty much nothing
Speaker 2: to play for it. No matter what kevinste Fancy says
Speaker 2: on Hard Knocks in season with the AFC North because
Speaker 2: we're in the playoffs now, no, your season's over.
Speaker 1: Well that was that was when they technically had not
Speaker 1: been eliminated, I think was his. Yeah, but when they had,
Speaker 1: they had to run the table. At that point I did.
Speaker 1: I did finally get around to watching that, and there
Speaker 1: were there were more interesting moments in the first ten
Speaker 1: minutes of AFC North Hard Knocks than the entire Bears season.
Speaker 3: It's not even close.
Speaker 1: I would say that one episode was worth more than
Speaker 1: the entire last two to three Hard Knocks, like the
Speaker 1: one since Dan Campbell. Basically yeah, I know, but we've
Speaker 1: seen in season hard Knocks before and they haven't been
Speaker 1: as good. They had really good access. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it was good.
Speaker 2: Hearing this music. I feel like I need to give
Speaker 2: a speech that's going to end with like a great
Speaker 2: clincher like Mike Tomlin did as he started that episode.
Speaker 1: I have to how many speeches I want to have
Speaker 1: an ex player on to talk about? Is it that
Speaker 1: necessary to have this many speeches?
Speaker 7: I think producers like speeches.
Speaker 3: I think I know them. No, I know that from
Speaker 3: the Hard Knocks perspective, they're fantastic. I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're those players, right. How many speeches have you heard
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor say? How many is he making every week?
Speaker 1: Because we see at least two or three. I mean,
Speaker 1: just imagine if when we came to work, there was
Speaker 1: like five speeches a week minimum. I mean because the
Speaker 1: position coaches, there's like five speeches a day. I think
Speaker 1: I think the new efficiency, the moneyball in the NFL
Speaker 1: would be like, let's cut down on the speeches a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 7: Our guys. Here's what we're facing today in ever changing
Speaker 7: media landscape. Yeah, that would that would probably that would
Speaker 7: probably drone.
Speaker 2: On just to touch when you hired me ten years ago.
Speaker 2: If I had my first day in LA if I
Speaker 2: watched in the newsroom and you gave me one of
Speaker 2: those speeches, I'd be like, maybe I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: It might be good to be honest, maybe we could
Speaker 1: use a little more on one or two speeches a
Speaker 1: year in the NFL daily world, better than none, but
Speaker 1: they have like fifteen a week.
Speaker 3: Anyways, hard knocks great, great stuff.
Speaker 1: When I was watching that, you can understand, not that
Speaker 1: you couldn't just without seeing it, but you can't understand. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why Mike Tomlin's teams only goes so low, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. His attempt to detail and keeping
Speaker 1: the team together is such a unique combination.
Speaker 3: It's pretty special.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and a bunch of guys that know what they're
Speaker 8: doing can execute to a high level and there's really
Speaker 8: never a glaring deficiency. And then on the other side,
Speaker 8: the Brown's trying to figure things out. Positive for the Browns,
Speaker 8: this is I think the best Nick Chubb has looked
Speaker 8: since they returned from his injury. Some of the explosion
Speaker 8: was back, of course Nick Chubb otherworldly athlete. It's gonna
Speaker 8: take tom to try to get back to that. But
Speaker 8: a solid performance. Four yards four plus yards for Gary
Speaker 8: against the good defense. The Browns just overmatched here.
Speaker 2: And I will say I think the Jerry Judy trade
Speaker 2: is going to pay off for them. Like the stretches
Speaker 2: had the last couple of games really, since James has
Speaker 2: come in, he's looked like the guy that I think
Speaker 2: they thought they were getting, and he's going to be
Speaker 2: a key piece of their future, even in a down season.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, let's let's listen to Andrews Ciciliano's call,
Speaker 1: just because he's our buddy, and he's going to be
Speaker 1: on NFL Daily on Thursday night recapping that Rams forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers game.
Speaker 3: But he was in Pittsburgh on Sunday for the back Winston.
Speaker 3: The gun has the ball steps up in the pocket,
Speaker 3: he may run now throwing what Judy has it touchdown?
Speaker 3: Jerry Judy thirty five yards. Jamis on the run as
Speaker 3: he got to the line of scrimmage, let it go.
Speaker 3: Shoty caught it at the vibe and waltzed into the
Speaker 3: end zone. The Jamis creation plays have been surprising.
Speaker 1: I've been a Jamis fans for a while and he's
Speaker 1: not a guy who makes a lot of plays on
Speaker 1: the run, and he's done that this year. And the
Speaker 1: Lord did listen because he delivered him from pick six's
Speaker 1: today just two regular old interceptions but no pick six is. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: Kevin Sevanski would not commit to Jameis Winston being the
Speaker 1: starter next week after the so we might be seeing
Speaker 1: some DTR.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was just answering it, Meglee.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 1: We might be seeing some DTR at some point. And
Speaker 1: I did want to point out this note from Bill Barnwell.
Speaker 1: Canarius Tony played only two snaps in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: both on special teams. On one of them, he did
Speaker 1: a fair catch and then was flagged for taunting after
Speaker 1: the fair catch.
Speaker 3: That's a first. They were down multiple scores at the time.
Speaker 1: The other play he was in on the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: he muffed a punt and the Steelers recovered.
Speaker 3: Let's go to uh the last game here before we.
Speaker 1: Get to Sunday night football, at least that involves the
Speaker 1: team still in the playoff mix. Yes, the Browns are
Speaker 1: officially eliminated. Would the Jets be officially eliminated on Sunday
Speaker 1: by the Dolphins?
Speaker 7: The tango yolo o shot back to throw?
Speaker 3: Which protector throws the canzone touchdown?
Speaker 7: Dolphins win? John Smith, what a judge Brown? Donald Smith.
Speaker 3: Two off?
Speaker 7: Good night, Dolphins gotta win.
Speaker 3: I love the Dolphins song.
Speaker 1: I don't know the words, but I love how they
Speaker 1: play it right away and all the fans know it
Speaker 1: and they sing it and people don't even know about it.
Speaker 3: It's a cool, cool little thing they got going down
Speaker 3: there in Miami. They're getting some wins.
Speaker 1: That was Jimmy Ceffalo and Joe Rose on WBGG.
Speaker 3: Yes, what a comeback.
Speaker 1: Not just the Dolphins coming back to win this game
Speaker 1: at the very end to force overtime. They were also
Speaker 1: trailing twenty three to fifteen heady into the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: But how about this miracle.
Speaker 1: Comeback for John new Smith no catches in fantasy in regulation,
Speaker 1: and he finishes with three for forty four and a
Speaker 1: touchdown on one ot drive. And yes, what a comeback
Speaker 1: for me and my picks on the Pick Show. Because
Speaker 1: I took Miami minus five and a half. You didn't
Speaker 1: think it could happened, But they somehow got into overtime
Speaker 1: and they covered that score, and so I'm sure there
Speaker 1: were a lot of people out there with some money
Speaker 1: on Miami.
Speaker 3: They got it going. And oh yeah, wait our survivor
Speaker 3: the music.
Speaker 8: No, Greg has to think about his pick, but I
Speaker 8: have to remind Greg that he's on a team, all right.
Speaker 8: He Steve Wish and myself are on a legendary run
Speaker 8: called Survivor picks and we yes, we together everyone at
Speaker 8: Cheeze Morgaret, we survive.
Speaker 7: Because tua I guess coach Mike Mack remembered that, hey,
Speaker 7: John O. Smith is a huge part of this team.
Speaker 8: In overtime, one of the first plays they throw out
Speaker 8: the quick screen to John OUs Smith gets several yards
Speaker 8: on a first down.
Speaker 7: So what do they do? They go right back, Yeah,
Speaker 7: same exact play.
Speaker 8: John O Smith pops up, starts screaming in everyone's faces,
Speaker 8: where it's like, all right, John ou mode has been engaged,
Speaker 8: and it leads to the to the game winning touchdown.
Speaker 7: But as you mentioned, Greg, it took a lot to
Speaker 7: get there. They're down late.
Speaker 8: The Jets out gained them four hundred and two yards
Speaker 8: to three seventy five. They almost doubled them in rush yardage.
Speaker 8: They held the Fens to one of nine on third down,
Speaker 8: but still on that second to last drive to a
Speaker 8: tongue of Ailoa hooking up with Tyreek Hill, who wasn't
Speaker 8: on the field on the fourth down attempt in Green
Speaker 8: Bay on Thanksgiving, they go to Tyreek on fourth down,
Speaker 8: runs in then back out to it hits him, and
Speaker 8: then Jalen Waddell runs the exact same route on the
Speaker 8: two point conversion.
Speaker 7: They tie the ball game up.
Speaker 8: The Jets sprint down the field for a go ahead
Speaker 8: field goal, but then they don't cover the kickoff return.
Speaker 8: They get a forty eight yard return, leading to Jason
Speaker 8: Sanders sitting in the game to overtime and Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 8: and company never saw.
Speaker 7: The ball because of that John hus Smith takeover that
Speaker 7: we just heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were so many mistakes by the Jets at
Speaker 1: the end of this game. And I saw the Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers quote where he said, there's blame to go around,
Speaker 1: you know, we needed to score thirty in this game,
Speaker 1: which is his typically pass aggressive way of putting in
Speaker 1: a little bit on the defense. Aaron Rodgers in the
Speaker 1: offense lost this game despite it being one of their
Speaker 1: best games of the season, in part because of how
Speaker 1: they handled the situation at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: They had a first in goal, or rather a first
Speaker 1: in ten with one fourteen left at the twenty seven
Speaker 1: yard line in a tie game, and they wound up
Speaker 1: only burning another thirty seconds not even off the clock
Speaker 1: before they had to kick a field goal. They lose
Speaker 1: five yards on a run disaster time out by Miami.
Speaker 1: Rodgers takes a sack disaster time out by Miami, but
Speaker 1: at that point, Miami only has one timeout left or
Speaker 1: no timeouts left. Rather, that was the last time out,
Speaker 1: and they throw an sideline route to Adams to set
Speaker 1: up a shorter field goal, but they stopped the clock
Speaker 1: right there with plenty of time for to go back
Speaker 1: down on the off the field, especially after that long
Speaker 1: kick return.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's been a story of the Jets season.
Speaker 3: If it's not one thing, it's the other.
Speaker 1: They actually got a good performance out of their offense
Speaker 1: for much of the day. But I thought on that,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of these plays Rogers missed open receivers.
Speaker 1: And I like it too, because, like I said, I
Speaker 1: want more teams that are alive. The Jets have been eliminated.
Speaker 1: They have not made the playoffs for fourteen straight years.
Speaker 1: They are one of six AFC teams to be eliminated.
Speaker 1: Only one NFC team has been eliminated, that's the Giants.
Speaker 1: Even the Panthers are technically alive because of the division,
Speaker 1: but the Dolphins are at least a little bit in
Speaker 1: the mix here at six and seven, there's a faint
Speaker 1: heartbeat even if I can't take them seriously because they
Speaker 1: have no running game in their defense really isn't that
Speaker 1: good either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that like brief period a few weeks
Speaker 2: ago where we're like, oh, the defense is coming around.
Speaker 2: Maybe they can actually put it together. Look at them
Speaker 2: what they did to the Rams. Well, they've won four
Speaker 2: of the last five. Okay, so that's great, Like that's
Speaker 2: a start. Now you play Houston, San Francisco, Cleveland and
Speaker 2: the Jets again, and the Jets are gonna have absolutely
Speaker 2: nothing to play for in January. Grant, it's gonna be cold,
Speaker 2: and we know the Dolphins don't like the cold, so
Speaker 2: we'll see how that game pans out. But yeah, none
Speaker 2: of these games have really been convincing. All these wins.
Speaker 2: I mean the winner of the Patriots was I guess,
Speaker 2: but like, I haven't seen them necessarily show me what
Speaker 2: I needed to see. But they're still so much better
Speaker 2: than where they were without Tua that I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: them seriously for the rest of the run a because
Speaker 2: it's fun to watch me because it ends up with
Speaker 2: in thrilling finishes like the one on Sunday and see
Speaker 2: they can have a terrible game and still win and
Speaker 2: then send the interim coach on the other sideline into
Speaker 2: like just complete apoplectic mode. He just has no idea
Speaker 2: what to say.
Speaker 7: He's just wow.
Speaker 2: Our defense played well. They went one for nine on
Speaker 2: third down. We still lost in overtime. I have no answers.
Speaker 2: This is a dark season for the Jets, but I
Speaker 2: like the intrigue. I like the intrigue with the Dolphins
Speaker 2: because I think that they're a better team than their
Speaker 2: record suggests. They got some unfortunate injury locked their defense
Speaker 2: is not good enough, but they're still fun to watch.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be very intriguing to see what they do.
Speaker 8: Yeah, a similiar type performance to in Pieces, without the
Speaker 8: catastrophic mistakes that they made in Green Bay. I think
Speaker 8: at the fourth down touchdown that that's a high leverage play.
Speaker 8: Of course, the entire situation, even getting the ball back,
Speaker 8: might not have happened. But Tula goes thirty three or
Speaker 8: forty seven, three thirty one. Tyreek gets fourteen targets. He
Speaker 8: catches ten of them. Wattle gets twelve, he catches nine
Speaker 8: of them. This is this is the team that we
Speaker 8: thought they could be except we thought they'd be able
Speaker 8: to run the ball. We haven't seen the Jets really
Speaker 8: stop anybody. Right, they won despite of that.
Speaker 1: Right, The Dolphins are the most consistent team that I've
Speaker 1: watched over the last seven weeks.
Speaker 3: They are the exact same team every week. They can't
Speaker 3: run the ball.
Speaker 1: Tua's incredibly efficient is playing at a really high level,
Speaker 1: and the defense is below average and gives up long
Speaker 1: drive after long drive no matter who the opponent is
Speaker 1: like it gets worse against it a really good team
Speaker 1: like Green Bay, but it's pretty bad each week. So
Speaker 1: as much as Tua's injury sunk this season, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the ceiling for this team was anyways, it
Speaker 1: was probably a six or a seven seed and not
Speaker 1: really being in the mix and the AFC. But at
Speaker 1: least they get to play wins, yeah, meaningful games for
Speaker 1: another couple of weeks. We cannot say the same about
Speaker 1: the teams in our next two games. Let's go to Tennessee.
Speaker 3: They running with Big b again to the left side.
Speaker 3: He gets loose paint into the en zone touchdown. Tank
Speaker 3: bigsby a score on an inside handoff and the Jaguars
Speaker 3: have taken the lead.
Speaker 1: With six to forty six to play in the ball game,
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are off the mat.
Speaker 3: Mac Jones big time play Now, No, that was Tank
Speaker 3: pigs me.
Speaker 1: He goes eighteen for fifty five in a touchdown. The
Speaker 1: Jaguars gonna win in Tennessee ten to six over the Titans.
Speaker 1: Both these teams three and ten, which feels about right.
Speaker 1: I thought the defining play offensively of this game was
Speaker 1: me watching Mac Jones slide on a third and thirteen
Speaker 1: scramble about seven yards short of the first It's like,
Speaker 1: that's tightened Jaguars football.
Speaker 3: I thought it was maybe Will Levis.
Speaker 1: Getting absolutely destroyed on the last play of the first half.
Speaker 1: That felt unnecessary. Thankfully he was able to stay in
Speaker 1: the game. It looked like he might have been hurt
Speaker 1: there off a big hit from Josh Heinz Allen.
Speaker 3: Give me some positives for the Jacks here.
Speaker 8: Patrick, positives is Josh Allen has a chance to get
Speaker 8: three and a half sacks with the remainder of the
Speaker 8: season to tie his Jags single season record.
Speaker 1: Okay, round seventeen sacks for him? Really, Brian Thomas, I'll
Speaker 1: answered my own question. Got a ton of targets on
Speaker 1: the stretch.
Speaker 7: I needed help there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just saying they like.
Speaker 3: Finally started feeding him the ball down the stretch of
Speaker 3: this game. He goes eight for eighty six.
Speaker 1: He is a real deal player, Like I might take
Speaker 1: him over Marvin Harrison Junior to go back to that
Speaker 1: right now. That's how good Mark Brian Thomas Junior has looked.
Speaker 8: The Jacks were able to keep Nick Westbrookakine out of
Speaker 8: the end zone on a key fourth down where maybe,
Speaker 8: you know, in hindsight, the Titans would have made a
Speaker 8: different decision about the play calling on that drive. But
Speaker 8: you know, the tank Bigsby called that. You guys heard,
Speaker 8: that was it. That was the touchdown. It went just
Speaker 8: a touchdown. That was the touchdown in this game where
Speaker 8: there wasn't a lot points to speak of, not a
Speaker 8: lot of plays and it's not you know, great defense
Speaker 8: from both teams, just a couple of offenses that were
Speaker 8: fairly inept and a couple of teams that are now
Speaker 8: three and ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was supposed to be an evaluation for Will
Speaker 1: Levis down the stretch here and.
Speaker 3: It's been better.
Speaker 1: But Brian Callahan was asked, you know after the game,
Speaker 1: after starting his press conference by saying of all the positives,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to keep it positive, talking about his
Speaker 1: defense and a few other things. And then the first
Speaker 1: question to him was, you just didn't score a touchdown
Speaker 1: against the last ranked defense in the NFL, and your
Speaker 1: first reaction is all the positives that were from this game,
Speaker 1: which is just a brutal spot. The Titans are sixth
Speaker 1: right now in Tankathon Jacksonville is fifth. Anything you want
Speaker 1: to throw in here, Shook.
Speaker 2: We're on a thousand yard Tony Pollard.
Speaker 7: Watch.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's closing in. He's inside one hundred. Greg, You've
Speaker 2: talked about it many times, and I've enjoyed watching his well.
Speaker 2: I was playing like one of the best better running
Speaker 2: backs in the NFL just by being on this team.
Speaker 2: Oh and on the jackside, congrats on keeping Nick Westbrook
Speaker 2: Kokeine out of the end zone because he's actually been
Speaker 2: the guy making touchdown catches.
Speaker 3: Fil Okay, so there you go.
Speaker 2: This is this is the ANFC South Baby ten to
Speaker 2: sixer file right there.
Speaker 3: Man and Mac Jones.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just so funny how bad his body
Speaker 1: languages when he's not happy about the play calls that
Speaker 1: are coming in and It's just like you got to
Speaker 1: get rid of that man, like he looked so annoyed
Speaker 1: at Doug Peterson.
Speaker 3: I could just imagine like the mutual.
Speaker 1: Annoyance sitting between those two men as they close out
Speaker 1: this season. But they get a win on a day
Speaker 1: in Duvall where the defense did show up. Let's go
Speaker 1: to MetLife Stadium where my friend Adam from the Saints
Speaker 1: Block Party podcast was in the crowd. Oh, what do
Speaker 1: you see a victory out of his Saints?
Speaker 8: Now, this is his first opportunity between thirty and thirty
Speaker 8: five to tie the game with eleven seconds of that's load.
Speaker 16: I don't think the Saints got it. I think the
Speaker 16: Saints got a piece of it. Missed it, Graham Gallo.
Speaker 16: It came out like a wounded duck. It looked like
Speaker 16: they rushed the mechanics of it. It looked like the
Speaker 16: Giants literally rushed the mechanics of it. And I don't
Speaker 16: know if it was a hot kick. The Saints did
Speaker 16: jump over the line to kind of rush.
Speaker 7: It, but he just missed it.
Speaker 1: That was duce McAllister, one of my all time favorite
Speaker 1: Saints along with Mike cos on ww L.
Speaker 3: Yes, Brian Brasid.
Speaker 1: What an athletic play from a man that's got to
Speaker 1: be pushing three bills, jumping over the snapper and blocking
Speaker 1: that field goal at the end. Now, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that Giants are trying to lose, but if you were
Speaker 1: trying to lose, kind of messing up the final field
Speaker 1: goal operation at the end would be the way to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 8: Michael Gobril is the special teams coordinator for the who
Speaker 8: brought this play into the NFL in that win against
Speaker 8: the Seattle Seahawks. It's Dexter Lawrence holding the guard down
Speaker 8: and Isaiah Simmons jumping over, and we saw Miles Garrett
Speaker 8: do it.
Speaker 7: We've seen teams try this.
Speaker 8: If anybody is aware that this is a possibility, it's
Speaker 8: the Giants and Brian Breesy. You know, God bless him
Speaker 8: his vertical again, twenty nine inches is a great vertical.
Speaker 8: It's not Isaiah Simmons or Miles Garrett. He's able to
Speaker 8: get over and through and just get enough of the kick.
Speaker 8: But I wasn't thinking about that until you said it.
Speaker 7: Greg. The Giants should have known that this is a possibility.
Speaker 7: Have your guard bow up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Great great call by you. I mean, that's the only
Speaker 1: kind of insight you can get on NFL daily. And yes,
Speaker 1: Percy is over three hundred and five pounds coming on
Speaker 1: strong lately. He's a guy that hunts big plays and
Speaker 1: so he gives up a lot of big plays, and
Speaker 1: I think he sometimes flashes more than he is a
Speaker 1: winning player. But over the last month he's been better.
Speaker 1: He had two quarterback hits in this game, two pass breakups.
Speaker 1: The Saints were crazy getting after Drew Lock in this game.
Speaker 1: They had thirteen quarterback hits and thirteen PBUs on Drew Lock.
Speaker 1: Drew Lock missed his first nine throws in this game.
Speaker 1: It was the first time since Drew lox old teammate
Speaker 1: Kendall Hinton, who's not a real NFL quarterback, started a
Speaker 1: game with nine straight incompletions. He was six for nineteen
Speaker 1: for fifty two yards at halftime. The Giants only had
Speaker 1: three points in their first ten drives. And yet, and yet,
Speaker 1: they were right there on the doorstep from winning this
Speaker 1: game with two touchdowns in the last five minutes, because
Speaker 1: the Saints offense was barely any better. Unfortunately, Derek Carr
Speaker 1: left the game with an injury very late, so that
Speaker 1: their offensive struggles were with him in the game. In fact,
Speaker 1: his replacement, Jay Kaner didn't even throw a pass. He
Speaker 1: just came in and handed it off twice and took
Speaker 1: a sack in his one series before the Giants got
Speaker 1: that last chance. So we'll see if Carr can return.
Speaker 1: They were checking him for a head injury, and then
Speaker 1: our guys at NFL Network, I believe reported a broken
Speaker 1: bone in his non throwing hand, so we don't.
Speaker 3: Know what his status will be.
Speaker 1: But the Saints are five and eight and the Giants disappointed,
Speaker 1: I'm sure at the end, but they hold on to
Speaker 1: the number two pick. According to Tankthon, the Raiders shook
Speaker 1: our right now in the one spot. The Raiders have
Speaker 1: lost nine straight. The Giants have lost eight straight.
Speaker 3: That's that's tough.
Speaker 1: The Bears have lost seven straight. By the way, they
Speaker 1: were four to two at one point. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, anytime you go into a game with Drew
Speaker 2: Lock as your leading rusher, it's not gonna be good
Speaker 2: for the Giants. We know who they are right now,
Speaker 2: and there's not much good to say about the Saints
Speaker 2: and Derek Carr. I'm like playbo on, I need to
Speaker 2: help here. I don't have anything here.
Speaker 3: I watched this game quite closely. I never will again.
Speaker 1: Chase Young had about a million quarterback pressures in this
Speaker 1: game was all over Lock. The way I would describe
Speaker 1: Drew Lock's first three quarters of this game was every
Speaker 1: decision he made was bad because he was the wrong one.
Speaker 1: Like there was one play where he's scrambling and he
Speaker 1: is fast. It's kind of like an internet joke going
Speaker 1: out there that they show the white looking Mike Vick
Speaker 1: on Madden meme every time Drew Locke is running and
Speaker 1: he ends up with fifty nine yards and he's faster
Speaker 1: than I remember, but he's fast as hell. But he
Speaker 1: had a first down just stitting right in front of
Speaker 1: him on a third in like seven. And then for
Speaker 1: some reason he tries to beat two guys around the
Speaker 1: edge that he has no chance to do and ends
Speaker 1: up like just getting one yard in the play when
Speaker 1: it was there.
Speaker 3: So it's just like every decision was bad.
Speaker 1: And then he almost led them to to a comeback
Speaker 1: at the end because the Saints they just, I don't know,
Speaker 1: they look for ways to win games. The most memorable
Speaker 1: part of this game was Darren Rizzy absolutely upbraiding his
Speaker 1: punter after what was a punt return touchdown called back
Speaker 1: by penalty that the Giants. But he was just screaming
Speaker 1: at his punter for so long that Alvin Kamara had
Speaker 1: to come in and kind of separate it and stop it,
Speaker 1: like because I was about to call hr like it
Speaker 1: wasn't right. What was going on between Rizzy and this
Speaker 1: young punter.
Speaker 7: It was too much.
Speaker 8: It's almost and this is a rookie and I don't
Speaker 8: think Darren Rizzy is spending that much time in any
Speaker 8: other place.
Speaker 1: Well, he's a special teams guy. Yeah, I mean shy, but.
Speaker 7: It's it's like, at what point are we are working?
Speaker 7: Are we hustling backwards? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You have a special teams coordinators like that. They're known
Speaker 2: for that. They always the craziest.
Speaker 1: This was. This was next level by Rizzy and I
Speaker 1: I have a feeling he will be, you know, saying
Speaker 1: maybe he needs to come.
Speaker 8: He did any credit at Alvin in the post, Yeah
Speaker 8: for coming up and settling him down.
Speaker 7: He he, you know, he he.
Speaker 1: It felt like he was taking out other frustrations maybe
Speaker 1: that were going on in this game, like watching this
Speaker 1: offense in the running game. It was it was tough,
Speaker 1: but yes, the Saints get the victory. Let's go to
Speaker 1: a it's more important game. On Sunday night in Arrowhead,
Speaker 1: we say goodbye to Patrick Claybonn and yes we will
Speaker 1: remember this Sunday for so many things, but more than anything, Patrick,
Speaker 1: for your genius rams pick.
Speaker 7: Hey, I did something right, all right.
Speaker 3: Let it be known to Sunday night.
Speaker 4: A thirty one yard attempt by Matthew Wright to try
Speaker 4: to win the game.
Speaker 3: Ariza will hold, Winchester will snap.
Speaker 7: Cargers are out of timeouts, Winchester snaps it. Placement is
Speaker 7: down rights.
Speaker 11: Kickers out, and the kickers, God, God, God, can the.
Speaker 3: Kansas City Chiefs do it again?
Speaker 11: The third kicker this season to have a walk off
Speaker 11: field goal, and this one wins the game nineteen to
Speaker 11: seventeen and gets the Chiefs nine consecutive AFC West championships.
Speaker 1: Nine straight division titles for the Kansas City Chiefs. That is,
Speaker 1: Mitch Holtis WDAF For a minute, not even a minute,
Speaker 1: a fraction of a second, he thought, oh that the
Speaker 1: Chiefs actually got unlucky. For once that thing hit the crossbar,
Speaker 1: they're gonna lose at the last second on a crazy
Speaker 1: fluky special teams play, but no, matthew Wright's kick hits
Speaker 1: hard off that upright, It bounces all the way.
Speaker 3: To the other side. It goes through nineteen to seventeen.
Speaker 1: Shookie, It turns out the Chiefs can keep getting away
Speaker 1: with this, actually, and they will and they will continue.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, and everybody else is just gonna have to
Speaker 2: accept it that if Patrick Mahomes has the ball with
Speaker 2: four minutes left and he's down by a point, he's
Speaker 2: gonna find a way to convert every third down that
Speaker 2: you think is impossible. The pass rush is collapsing around him,
Speaker 2: He's gonna find somebody open. He's going to make a
Speaker 2: jump pass. He's gonna lea lure four defenders in his
Speaker 2: face and find Travis Kelsey for a first down. Y'all
Speaker 2: just have to accept it. I'm tired of hearing you
Speaker 2: complain about it. The refs had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2: This is just Chiefs magic.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: This one felt a little different to me. Absolutely heartbreaking
Speaker 1: if you root for the Chargers. But a game I
Speaker 1: thought was pretty evenly played between the two teams. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs defense dominating the first half and the Chargers
Speaker 1: quickly responding in a back and forth game, but the
Speaker 1: Chiefs get the ball, as you mentioned, with under five
Speaker 1: minutes to go, and Mahomes earned every bit of that
Speaker 1: last drive the third and ten where he's scrambling around
Speaker 1: and making it happen before getting worthy to start the drive.
Speaker 1: The scramble and then the decision coming out of the
Speaker 1: two minute warning. The Chiefs have the ball with a
Speaker 1: third and seven. They could run the ball there and
Speaker 1: kick the go ahead field goal, but that clock will
Speaker 1: leave about one twenty for Justin Herbert to go possibly respond.
Speaker 1: But instead, Andy Reid does give Patrick Mahomes, his guy,
Speaker 1: the option to throw, and he made it count.
Speaker 4: Mahomes under center, takes the snap. He's back, he's rolling
Speaker 4: to his right, he's looking. He pumps, he's gonna pull
Speaker 4: the football down. Now throws and it's put by Kelsey
Speaker 4: on and me with the first down at the eleven,
Speaker 4: a nine yard game and a first down for the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: Just what I thought.
Speaker 4: Mahomes was gonna run. He saw Kelsey and dumps it
Speaker 4: off to him for a first down.
Speaker 1: That play looked like it was done, and as we've
Speaker 1: seen it so many times before, Mahomes draws up the
Speaker 1: extra defender by looking like he's gonna run, manages to
Speaker 1: throw across his body. That was Westwood one, Ryan Radkey,
Speaker 1: And that's why this one, to me felt like a
Speaker 1: lot of Chargers Chiefs game. But it wasn't the Chargers
Speaker 1: making some huge bone headed error at the end. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the Chiefs getting lucky on that drive. It was
Speaker 1: just the Chiefs offense having a good drive when they
Speaker 1: absolutely needed it. They barely had the ball in the
Speaker 1: second half, but they needed to get points on that drive.
Speaker 3: They got it.
Speaker 1: And they're the best at that end of game situation.
Speaker 1: Their EPA per play shook on those third and fourth
Speaker 1: downs and lat and close situations as the highest in
Speaker 1: the league. Like they're proving they can do it week
Speaker 1: after week, and they did it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it starts at the quarterback. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is I've recently had a harder time keeping him up there,
Speaker 2: but this is why QB Index Patrick Mahomes has been
Speaker 2: in the top five all year. It's not pretty. The
Speaker 2: statistics don't tell you that he's thrown for four hundred
Speaker 2: yards a game or whatever, but he does stuff like
Speaker 2: that and that's a rare ability there are a lot
Speaker 2: of guys that cannot make that happen. But because he
Speaker 2: is playing quarterback for the Chiefs, and it might sound
Speaker 2: like a broken record, totally fine. He is one of
Speaker 2: the very few who can get that job done consistently
Speaker 2: under pressure. And even he knows it. He completes that
Speaker 2: pass to Kelsey we just saw on that clip there
Speaker 2: and he's bobbing his head, nod his head. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: still the man. I still did this, and that's why
Speaker 2: they're so difficult to beat. But you're right, it did
Speaker 2: feel the Chargers earned their place in this game. Like
Speaker 2: when they went into the second half. You're listening to
Speaker 2: collins Worth the first couple of minutes of the third
Speaker 2: quarter talking about how what are your options available? They've
Speaker 2: gotten like no first downs in the whole first half,
Speaker 2: you have no running game to speak of, so play
Speaker 2: action's gone. And then they're just like, screw it, We're
Speaker 2: gonna commit to the run and they're just gonna keep
Speaker 2: pounding the run and pounding the run stubbornly. So and
Speaker 2: it opened up the offense and Justin Herbert was able
Speaker 2: to work and we got a hell of a game
Speaker 2: as a result.
Speaker 1: It was a really great game because of the contrast
Speaker 1: between the two halves. The Chargers get six drives, which
Speaker 1: is a ton. In the first half, they don't score
Speaker 1: a single point five straight punts, and then they can't capitalize.
Speaker 1: At the end of the half, they don't Only two
Speaker 1: of those drives go over thirty yards, you know, one
Speaker 1: goes for fifty, So they didn't do anything. And then
Speaker 1: this second half, yes, they set it up by putting
Speaker 1: those extra blockers in and getting some outside runs going,
Speaker 1: but they also hit some third and longs. They hit
Speaker 1: a fourth down to Palmer. I believe it was where
Speaker 1: it was a pass call. It was a gutsy call
Speaker 1: a third and long. Stone Smart gets very active. I
Speaker 1: was listening to Daniel Jeremiah and Matt mney Smith on
Speaker 1: the radio and coming out of halftime, they're like, we
Speaker 1: need to get Stone Smart more into the game because
Speaker 1: he's the most athletic pass catcher they have and they
Speaker 1: just need some juice.
Speaker 3: This Charger's offense, it just lacks juice.
Speaker 1: And without Lad mcconkee on the field, Stone Smart gets
Speaker 1: put in there because Will Disley gets hurt. He has
Speaker 1: a shoulder injury and he never came back and Smart
Speaker 1: has three big catches for fifty four yards, so they
Speaker 1: were problem solving. And yeah, they get two straight touchdowns
Speaker 1: in such quick order and then get a three and
Speaker 1: out from the chief Sandwich between that and the third
Speaker 1: quarter and suddenly it's on. And after that it was
Speaker 1: just three long field goal drives. So I think the
Speaker 1: Chargers are so it really is a good defense. Cam
Speaker 1: Hart made that play where he hit DeAndre Hopkins right
Speaker 1: near the goal line and made them kick a field
Speaker 1: goal there. They got thirteen quarterback hits against Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: that the Chiefs gave up I think twelve or thirteen
Speaker 1: last week too, so he's getting hit way too inch.
Speaker 1: They were getting pressure on him. They just couldn't quite
Speaker 1: finish plays enough. But I actually think, man, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be taking any moral victories. I'm now talking to myself.
Speaker 3: Out of it. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about moral victories against the Chiefs
Speaker 1: when you can never win a game in this matchup.
Speaker 1: I thought they had a chance to cosmically turn it
Speaker 1: around shook and they didn't.
Speaker 2: Well, they almost did. And they have to feel like
Speaker 2: a little brother because of the position they've been in
Speaker 2: for the last better part of the last decade, especially
Speaker 2: since Patrick Mahomes has been here. And I understand that
Speaker 2: that's frustrating, as can all you know it could be.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you are eight and five
Speaker 2: and you're still in a very good spot right now.
Speaker 2: You are a much better football team. You're a tougher
Speaker 2: football team. You tried to win the toughness battle and
Speaker 2: you almost did. If anything, I think it was a
Speaker 2: stalemate in that department and you just happened to not
Speaker 2: have the ball last because you couldn't get off the field.
Speaker 2: And I think that's all positive developments that you can
Speaker 2: take in those last months where you got to play Tampa,
Speaker 2: you gotta play Denver, and then you play New England
Speaker 2: and the Raiders. So last two games, I'm counting those
Speaker 2: as wins. You're looking at ten wins. I didn't have
Speaker 2: the discharged team as a ten win team. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Not a moral victory, because that's gonna put you in
Speaker 2: a playoff role or like a spot maybe in contention.
Speaker 2: We'll see how it all shakes out. You're gonna be
Speaker 2: in the mix. And that's way more than I think
Speaker 2: any of us expected, which is good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they should make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: According to the next Gen Stats, they have an eighty
Speaker 1: nine percent chance of making it. And what that assumes is,
Speaker 1: look there their favorites against the Bucks. Not an easy game,
Speaker 1: but their favorites, and they beat the Broncos already, so
Speaker 1: they have a tiebreaker over them and they'll have a chance.
Speaker 3: They're right in it.
Speaker 1: But this this would have just been I think because
Speaker 1: it's the Harbough era, it's new, and it would.
Speaker 3: Have maybe just.
Speaker 1: There were more on equal footing and even though they
Speaker 1: weren't catching up. So tough day for Eric Roberts and
Speaker 1: the bill fans out there who were hoping that they
Speaker 1: could get a little bit of help. Now that the
Speaker 1: Chiefs have a two game lead as the one seed,
Speaker 1: they're up to eighty one percent chance feels I could
Speaker 1: be even higher for that to me, to get that
Speaker 1: one seed and the Chiefs make it happen. And even
Speaker 1: though there are some things to be concerned about for
Speaker 1: the Chiefs in this game, I mentioned the offensive line
Speaker 1: giving up all those hits, I do think they're a
Speaker 1: better offense with the checko. They had a lot of
Speaker 1: long drives in this game. That's what they do better.
Speaker 1: Than any team in the NFL.
Speaker 7: Shook.
Speaker 1: They actually have more plays per drive than any team
Speaker 1: since the twenty one Chiefs in the NFL, so they
Speaker 1: know how to maintain the ball. They are a significantly
Speaker 1: better offense this year, no matter how you slice it,
Speaker 1: than last year. And they won the Super Bowl last year,
Speaker 1: so like they were a bad offense last year. You're
Speaker 1: giving me a funny look, But.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just surprised that by some of these the
Speaker 2: revelations within this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gree I.
Speaker 3: Mean, they're not perfect, but they're a good team and.
Speaker 2: They're just methodical and sometimes that doesn't impress people, and
Speaker 2: that's fine.
Speaker 1: And they're getting it done, and they're they're getting players
Speaker 1: back healthy. Marquise Hollywood Brown is going to be back
Speaker 1: at some point. It sounds like in the regular season,
Speaker 1: this was a fun recap, so shooky, it's so fun.
Speaker 3: We should do it again tomorrow night. Oh you know what,
Speaker 3: I think we will.
Speaker 2: How about it make it a day.
Speaker 1: Right, that's it, play the music, Eric Monday night, Bengals
Speaker 1: still alive for the playoffs and the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: We'll have some fun.
Speaker 1: We're going to rank some Rookie of the Year candidates
Speaker 1: then and yeah, when the when the Chiefs are on
Speaker 1: their third kicker in a month and they're just making
Speaker 1: the rest of the country go freaking crazy, you know
Speaker 1: football is back.