WEBVTT - #1130: March 21, 2006 0:00:00.409 --> 0:00:03.540 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hello, hello, hello. Such a 0:00:03.580 --> 0:00:08.180 big hit, this new catchphrase intro. They have to bring 0:00:08.220 --> 0:00:08.480 it back. 0:00:09.500 --> 0:00:11.060 Do you even do it on purpose? 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:12.950 I did this time, not the first time. 0:00:12.990 --> 0:00:14.930 Okay, okay. All right. 0:00:16.130 --> 0:00:16.530 I'm Dan. 0:00:17.150 --> 0:00:17.730 I'm Jordan. 0:00:17.810 --> 0:00:18.150 Hello. 0:00:18.350 --> 0:00:20.450 We are here. We're recording a little introduction for this 0:00:20.510 --> 0:00:21.890 episode because I have returned. 0:00:22.070 --> 0:00:24.500 You have returned triumphantly from the road. 0:00:24.620 --> 0:00:27.020 From the road. I was out for about a week. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:32.890 But we have an extra pre-recorded episode that we made 0:00:32.930 --> 0:00:34.510 in anticipation of this going longer. 0:00:34.530 --> 0:00:34.610 Yeah. 0:00:35.330 --> 0:00:38.339 And so I figure, hey, there's a war brewing and 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:39.000 all that stuff. 0:00:39.060 --> 0:00:39.580 Sure. 0:00:39.620 --> 0:00:42.459 Why not go ahead and dump this episode? for you folks. 0:00:42.700 --> 0:00:42.880 Yeah. 0:00:43.180 --> 0:00:45.190 Uh, so we can stay in the present day. 0:00:45.430 --> 0:00:48.370 There's a, there's a thing that we do, which is 0:00:48.409 --> 0:00:51.870 a problem, uh, is that, uh, other people, and I 0:00:51.909 --> 0:00:53.409 know this cause I've been on shows. 0:00:53.690 --> 0:00:56.440 I've been on other shows. They're like, this'll come out 0:00:56.550 --> 0:00:57.050 in weeks. 0:00:57.130 --> 0:01:00.820 And I'm like, what are you fucking talking about tomorrow? 0:01:01.380 --> 0:01:03.120 You drop it tomorrow. 0:01:03.420 --> 0:01:07.600 Keep the ball in the air. Keep the plate spinning. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.080 So there is a big part of like, if we 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.260 don't release this episode now, there's a good chance it's 0:01:12.420 --> 0:01:13.100 never coming out. 0:01:13.140 --> 0:01:18.850 That's my fear. That's exactly my fear. We're going to 0:01:18.890 --> 0:01:20.229 put out an episode on Friday? 0:01:20.270 --> 0:01:20.709 Of course. 0:01:21.010 --> 0:01:22.850 It probably will have to do with Alex in the 0:01:22.890 --> 0:01:27.880 present day. Because there's really serious wearing lights going on. 0:01:27.890 --> 0:01:28.610 Shit's going on. 0:01:28.630 --> 0:01:30.850 And so, yeah, when would we ever put this out? 0:01:31.390 --> 0:01:32.140 We've got to put it out. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:32.900 Absolutely. 0:01:32.980 --> 0:01:34.260 Yeah. 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.760 We have to put it out. Do you understand? 0:01:38.780 --> 0:01:39.660 Yeah. 0:01:40.020 --> 0:01:44.259 There is no bank. There's no banking. No. 0:01:44.459 --> 0:01:50.040 So I'm back in Chicago. Indeed. Having seen the wonders 0:01:50.100 --> 0:01:52.360 of the world. I've tried new spices. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:53.200 Shut up. 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:56.220 Not really. 0:01:57.300 --> 0:02:02.540 This is trying new spices in the like 1800s would 0:02:02.580 --> 0:02:05.320 have been mind blowing. That would have gotten you a 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.340 fucking Royal commission to go back. 0:02:07.660 --> 0:02:11.340 How do I explain nutmeg? What is it? 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.480 I'll tell you what, man, we're, we're doing a, we've 0:02:14.500 --> 0:02:15.960 got a new thing going on in our house. 0:02:16.020 --> 0:02:16.620 Spice wise. 0:02:16.660 --> 0:02:16.980 What's that? 0:02:17.020 --> 0:02:18.620 We're doing gochujang sauce, my man. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:19.100 Okay. 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:20.130 We're all about it. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.200 I remember seeing that on a number of like weird 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.900 food network shows and Um, and, uh, yeah, it feels 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:28.660 like it was hot for a minute. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:29.179 Yeah. 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.950 Like it was really, it really, they had some good publicists. 0:02:31.990 --> 0:02:32.310 Yeah. 0:02:32.350 --> 0:02:32.510 Yeah. 0:02:32.530 --> 0:02:32.750 Yeah. 0:02:32.830 --> 0:02:35.710 Now it's hot. for forever in our house. 0:02:35.930 --> 0:02:36.810 Nice. Yeah. 0:02:36.870 --> 0:02:38.019 How would you describe it? 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.120 Um, a little bit spicy, a little bit savory, a 0:02:42.300 --> 0:02:42.530 little bit. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:43.880 It's one of those things. 0:02:44.220 --> 0:02:46.780 It is, it is like the, it hits all of 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:50.049 those flavors or it hits all of the stuffs, you know, 0:02:50.070 --> 0:02:52.310 and you just see, you're like, yeah, it's good. 0:02:52.630 --> 0:02:53.829 I'm pretty sure I've had it before. 0:02:54.150 --> 0:02:54.590 Probably. 0:02:54.610 --> 0:02:55.050 Yeah. 0:02:55.910 --> 0:02:56.780 Um, It's good. 0:02:56.910 --> 0:02:59.169 I'm glad. I'm glad you have a new spice. That's 0:02:59.190 --> 0:03:00.320 not a spice, though, is it? 0:03:00.330 --> 0:03:01.810 No, it's not really a spice. 0:03:01.870 --> 0:03:02.630 It's a condiment. 0:03:02.690 --> 0:03:06.030 Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I don't know. 0:03:06.870 --> 0:03:09.350 I've not tried any new spices, but I had a 0:03:09.389 --> 0:03:14.560 delightful time going around, and yeah, I intended, I think, 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.399 to maybe be gone a bit longer, but the number 0:03:18.419 --> 0:03:23.040 of lessons learned, technical limitations of the way I planned 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:28.100 to record, maybe you maybe wasn't gonna maybe wasn't there 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:28.780 were holes in the. 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.740 Canoe no plan survives getting punched in the mouth my man. 0:03:32.540 --> 0:03:35.360 Exactly that's how this works exactly and i got punched 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.260 in the mouth by santa claus and by. 0:03:37.860 --> 0:03:40.420 By hitler santa claus that'll punch you in. 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.740 The mouth and uh by by sort of technological limitations 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.120 but it was a great time and i'm gonna do 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.910 it again probably fairly soon yeah um but There was, 0:03:50.350 --> 0:03:52.210 I did have an experience that I wanted to share 0:03:52.250 --> 0:03:56.070 with you. Okay. And that is, I left Santa Claus 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.060 and I went to a little town called Friendship. 0:03:59.340 --> 0:03:59.580 Right. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.680 And I had a couple of wonderful experiences on the 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:03.360 way to Friendship. 0:04:03.500 --> 0:04:04.720 Okay. Well, that's nice. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:05.260 Yes. 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:05.740 Okay. 0:04:06.060 --> 0:04:09.420 One was that I was going down a country road 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.600 and I saw two dogs walking towards me on the 0:04:13.620 --> 0:04:14.430 other side of the road. 0:04:14.510 --> 0:04:14.750 Okay. 0:04:15.090 --> 0:04:16.610 They looked like they were talking. 0:04:16.630 --> 0:04:16.710 Okay. 0:04:17.540 --> 0:04:18.780 I can't tell I was in a car. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:19.140 Sure. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:20.380 I'm not sure if they were talking. 0:04:20.500 --> 0:04:22.800 You were on a spirit journey, so it's possible they 0:04:22.820 --> 0:04:24.420 could be the type of dogs that do speak. 0:04:24.540 --> 0:04:24.700 Yeah. 0:04:24.820 --> 0:04:25.560 Yeah, absolutely. 0:04:25.700 --> 0:04:27.839 They looked like they knew what they were doing and 0:04:27.860 --> 0:04:28.700 they were doing it together. 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:28.920 Sure. 0:04:29.260 --> 0:04:31.560 And I was going to friendship and I saw these 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.460 dogs and I thought, this is, this is amazing. That's 0:04:34.730 --> 0:04:35.640 not a house in sight. 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:35.930 Nope. 0:04:35.990 --> 0:04:39.980 They don't seem lost or scared or anything. Um, they 0:04:40.020 --> 0:04:41.040 were having their own homework. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.300 Fucking red fern growing ass people. Beautiful. Yeah. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.000 So that got me in the spirit to go to friendship. 0:04:48.140 --> 0:04:48.729 Absolutely. 0:04:49.170 --> 0:04:51.310 Um, and then I, I end up having to stop 0:04:51.330 --> 0:04:54.890 for gas. Uh, and so I stop and there is 0:04:54.930 --> 0:04:59.440 an impulse bystand. With characters from the new Super Mario Galaxy. 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:00.060 Sure. 0:05:00.140 --> 0:05:00.799 Pez dispensers. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:01.279 Okay. 0:05:01.380 --> 0:05:01.760 All right. 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:02.740 And there was a Donkey Kong. 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:03.420 Wow. 0:05:03.540 --> 0:05:05.760 Pez dispensers. I'll be damned. 0:05:05.900 --> 0:05:07.700 And so I kind of wanted to get a bunch 0:05:07.740 --> 0:05:09.990 of them because they're cool, fun Mario characters. 0:05:10.020 --> 0:05:10.310 Sure. 0:05:10.370 --> 0:05:12.110 But Donkey Kong is my best friend. 0:05:12.210 --> 0:05:12.590 He is. 0:05:12.910 --> 0:05:15.890 And so I thought, I'm going to friendship. I'm getting 0:05:15.930 --> 0:05:17.190 a Donkey Kong Pez dispenser. 0:05:17.230 --> 0:05:17.690 Done and done. 0:05:18.350 --> 0:05:18.830 Hooray. 0:05:19.070 --> 0:05:19.210 Yep. 0:05:19.770 --> 0:05:20.529 I get to friendship. 0:05:20.690 --> 0:05:20.969 All right. 0:05:21.870 --> 0:05:25.370 And no Donkey Kongs allowed in Friendship. It's a big 0:05:25.529 --> 0:05:27.610 sign right as you drive in. 0:05:27.970 --> 0:05:28.849 And no dog friends. 0:05:29.190 --> 0:05:30.110 Absolutely. 0:05:30.190 --> 0:05:30.930 All dogs must be solo. 0:05:30.950 --> 0:05:33.450 No dog friends. Solo dogs only. 0:05:33.830 --> 0:05:38.520 No, so it could have so easily been another Santa 0:05:38.540 --> 0:05:39.880 Claus where I made a mistake. 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:40.300 Yes. 0:05:40.660 --> 0:05:42.360 But I didn't. I knew I was just going to 0:05:42.420 --> 0:05:45.200 pass through, say hello to Friendship, and be on my 0:05:45.260 --> 0:05:47.260 way because I'd learned the lesson of Santa Claus. 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:47.539 Right. 0:05:48.220 --> 0:05:48.880 So I get to town. 0:05:48.980 --> 0:05:49.200 Uh-huh. 0:05:49.970 --> 0:05:53.950 Main drag of Friendship Indiana. There's a big sign that says, 0:05:54.670 --> 0:05:58.909 Welcome to Friendship. And then it's folded up by the wind. 0:05:59.350 --> 0:06:01.930 But there's another part underneath that says, if you look 0:06:01.970 --> 0:06:04.610 at it from the other side, it says, Come a stranger, 0:06:04.690 --> 0:06:08.040 leave a friend. I thought this was nice. So I 0:06:08.060 --> 0:06:10.960 decided to walk around a little bit, go find the 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.440 Welcome to Friendship sign so I could take a picture 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.559 with Donkey Kong. And so that's nice. And I pass 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.339 Friendship School. I like, there's a friendship school. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:22.219 No, no good. 0:06:22.700 --> 0:06:29.750 What fun. There's a friendship insurance. You could get friend insurance. 0:06:31.390 --> 0:06:33.090 If someone's ever mean to you. 0:06:33.330 --> 0:06:35.510 You can, you know, get a compensation. 0:06:35.770 --> 0:06:38.240 You're right. I would move out of any town named 0:06:38.270 --> 0:06:38.580 a thing. 0:06:38.860 --> 0:06:40.680 There's a friendship bank. Nope. 0:06:40.820 --> 0:06:41.100 I'm out. 0:06:41.500 --> 0:06:43.820 If I was, if I was born and raised in friendship, 0:06:43.980 --> 0:06:46.200 I would wake up every day going, I can't wait 0:06:46.220 --> 0:06:47.659 until I get the fuck out of this place. 0:06:47.860 --> 0:06:50.000 So people will stop saying the word friendship to me. 0:06:50.100 --> 0:06:52.919 I was tickled by all of it. So I'm walking around, 0:06:52.940 --> 0:06:56.720 I'm seeing this, I'm charmed by the weirdness and quirkiness 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:57.140 of it all. 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:57.420 Yeah. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.920 Um, I take a turn on friendship street. I don't 0:07:01.940 --> 0:07:03.860 remember what the main street is, but there's another street 0:07:03.940 --> 0:07:04.580 friendship street. 0:07:04.660 --> 0:07:04.880 Yeah. 0:07:05.380 --> 0:07:07.719 I'm walking down it a little bit and I see like, okay, 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.740 down the road, there's not much. This isn't going to 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.170 be a long walk. Uh, but then I turned to 0:07:12.190 --> 0:07:14.810 the side and I see a house and on the porch, 0:07:15.430 --> 0:07:20.830 there are two Sambo statues and that's less friendly. I 0:07:20.870 --> 0:07:22.710 look over to the other side and I see a 0:07:22.790 --> 0:07:27.260 Confederate flag in a window. And I'm like... Unfriendly. 0:07:28.340 --> 0:07:29.540 Very unfriendly. 0:07:29.940 --> 0:07:33.440 I got out of there. Friendship was ruined. 0:07:35.170 --> 0:07:35.970 It's so funny. 0:07:36.350 --> 0:07:36.610 It is. 0:07:36.790 --> 0:07:38.170 I swear to you, it's so funny. 0:07:38.210 --> 0:07:41.630 Because after you said there were two Sambo setches, I 0:07:41.650 --> 0:07:43.170 was like, wait, are we saying that? 0:07:44.530 --> 0:07:46.270 It was weird to see. 0:07:46.290 --> 0:07:47.250 I bet. 0:07:47.630 --> 0:07:50.190 And the thing that it made me think of is like, 0:07:50.210 --> 0:07:53.550 you know... Some people just kind of suck. There's going 0:07:53.570 --> 0:07:55.490 to be some suck people out there. 0:07:55.530 --> 0:07:55.770 Sure. 0:07:56.290 --> 0:07:58.650 But I think that this town kind of has a 0:07:58.690 --> 0:08:02.560 problem if the neighbors aren't upset about that. 0:08:02.580 --> 0:08:03.340 Yeah. 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.380 It was pretty in your face. 0:08:05.620 --> 0:08:05.860 Yeah. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:06.160 And like. 0:08:06.990 --> 0:08:09.570 There's no way this is ironic. Not that that would 0:08:09.590 --> 0:08:13.290 be okay. I mean, to be very. 0:08:14.410 --> 0:08:18.800 Slightly broad about it, the Confederate flag maybe represents a 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.620 falling apart of friendship. 0:08:22.660 --> 0:08:25.240 The brother against brother, the lack of friendship. 0:08:25.260 --> 0:08:25.620 You're right. 0:08:26.020 --> 0:08:30.990 It symbolizes the fractures that are inherent within the possibility 0:08:31.030 --> 0:08:31.550 of friendship. 0:08:31.670 --> 0:08:32.270 Yeah. Yeah. 0:08:32.910 --> 0:08:35.469 And I think that the reason I wanted to tell 0:08:35.490 --> 0:08:38.459 you this story is because I think it characterizes a 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.650 lot of, like, some of my smaller town experiences. 0:08:41.910 --> 0:08:43.290 Oh, I thought you just wanted me to get rid 0:08:43.330 --> 0:08:44.650 of all of my Sambo statues. 0:08:44.910 --> 0:08:45.410 That too. 0:08:45.550 --> 0:08:45.910 Okay. 0:08:46.610 --> 0:08:52.400 Um, it's, it's like, I think there's a certain charm 0:08:52.460 --> 0:08:55.599 and a quirk to like friendship school and friendship insurance 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:57.760 and all this. And then you walk down the street 0:08:57.820 --> 0:09:02.450 and you see racism just in your fucking face. And 0:09:02.490 --> 0:09:05.859 it's not something that like people understand. If I lived 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.620 in that town, I would probably deface them or steal 0:09:09.660 --> 0:09:12.559 them and throw them out or something. People have just 0:09:12.740 --> 0:09:15.650 made peace with the fact that someone's got fucking racist 0:09:15.690 --> 0:09:16.730 statues on their porch. 0:09:16.770 --> 0:09:17.290 You're right. 0:09:17.950 --> 0:09:20.650 What I'm hearing is that what we need to do, 0:09:20.710 --> 0:09:23.670 what we should have done, right? We were doing the 0:09:23.710 --> 0:09:27.300 desegregation thing. We're going to big schools in Alabama. 0:09:27.340 --> 0:09:29.340 They're being like, oh, you can't get... in here and 0:09:29.380 --> 0:09:31.060 the other people are like we gotta get in here 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:31.500 you know what. 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:35.760 I'm saying now imagine if we tried to solve segregation 0:09:36.450 --> 0:09:42.449 through uh uh novelty towns right of course we're gonna 0:09:42.490 --> 0:09:45.270 desegregate friendship school are you trying to stop us from 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.000 desegregating friendship school if. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.839 If there is a what should be a slam dunk Yeah. 0:09:50.860 --> 0:09:51.800 It's desegregating friendship school. 0:09:51.820 --> 0:09:54.890 Desegregate friendship school. How do we not understand that? It 0:09:55.490 --> 0:09:59.050 has to be desegregated. If you're segregating friendship school, you're 0:09:59.070 --> 0:09:59.770 just out of your mind. 0:10:00.090 --> 0:10:00.730 Yeah. Right. 0:10:01.210 --> 0:10:01.570 Yeah. 0:10:02.130 --> 0:10:03.449 I take that George Wallace. 0:10:03.750 --> 0:10:07.600 I don't want to say that my experience is largely that, uh, 0:10:07.860 --> 0:10:09.860 the world sucks more than I think it does. 0:10:09.910 --> 0:10:10.150 Sure. 0:10:10.380 --> 0:10:14.100 But there is a little bit of a trend of 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.760 me coming into places like fairly optimistically and then seeing Nazi, uh, uh, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.140 Santa and, Confederate flags and friendship. 0:10:22.300 --> 0:10:23.660 It is, it is the time. 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:24.260 It is. 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:25.260 It is the time. 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:26.980 It's disillusioning a little bit. 0:10:27.140 --> 0:10:27.400 Yeah. 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.090 In a way that also kind of feels like, well, 0:10:30.110 --> 0:10:32.430 you should have known that. Sure. I feel, I feel 0:10:32.450 --> 0:10:34.330 a little silly that I didn't expect to fight. 0:10:34.470 --> 0:10:34.750 Right. 0:10:34.929 --> 0:10:35.209 Right. 0:10:35.309 --> 0:10:38.170 I mean, I imagine, uh, that there would be a 0:10:38.230 --> 0:10:42.490 very different experience backpacking through Germany in like 1925 versus 1935. 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:42.660 Sure. 0:10:42.700 --> 0:10:43.099 Yeah, sure. 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:43.200 Yeah. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:51.260 Um, So yeah, all in all, it was a nice time, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:57.570 and I wandered around, found things, had a good time 0:10:57.610 --> 0:11:01.290 in woods, and I can't wait to go again. Perfect. 0:11:01.490 --> 0:11:04.850 For now, I'm back, and I have my memories of friendship. 0:11:06.929 --> 0:11:09.540 It is a wild juxtaposition. 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:16.940 The freedom and joy you take in nature and in 0:11:17.059 --> 0:11:21.120 being outside and being present in the world. And also 0:11:21.590 --> 0:11:23.030 that you do what you do. 0:11:23.290 --> 0:11:23.730 It's true. 0:11:24.050 --> 0:11:24.809 This is crazy. 0:11:25.350 --> 0:11:31.290 Yeah. I think that the desolation and depressing kind of 0:11:31.390 --> 0:11:33.410 glimpse at humanity that Alex provides. 0:11:33.470 --> 0:11:33.630 Yeah. 0:11:34.460 --> 0:11:37.740 Makes me yearn for something that is not that. Right. 0:11:38.140 --> 0:11:40.500 But then I also thought about something that is like 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.099 a weird dynamic between you and I, which is I 0:11:43.780 --> 0:11:46.490 think that I never really want to be home. Yeah. 0:11:46.590 --> 0:11:47.970 And I think you want to be home. 0:11:48.210 --> 0:11:48.390 Yeah. 0:11:48.830 --> 0:11:51.870 Like I felt like it would be nice if I 0:11:51.890 --> 0:11:55.630 could just plan a bunch of shows and then have 0:11:55.710 --> 0:12:01.790 you on a screen. You could like zoom in for 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:02.500 a live show. 0:12:02.630 --> 0:12:02.980 All right. 0:12:03.100 --> 0:12:03.410 All right. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.000 So you're saying that what you do is you're going 0:12:06.020 --> 0:12:08.760 to go out on the road and just find places 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.620 and you'll just stop and be like, hey, we're going 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.880 to barnstorm a show here tonight. 0:12:14.179 --> 0:12:15.420 You're going to barnstorming to it. 0:12:15.420 --> 0:12:18.579 I'm going to go downtown in friendship and I'm going 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.559 to bark. I'm going to try and get a crowd. 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:21.740 You better believe it. 0:12:21.820 --> 0:12:24.439 And flyers. You should music man it. You should get 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:25.760 other people to join you. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:26.579 Yes. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:27.980 Walking through the parade. 0:12:28.100 --> 0:12:28.320 Yeah. 0:12:28.340 --> 0:12:32.390 But but. He was a con artist. I'm actually going 0:12:32.410 --> 0:12:35.250 to do a show, but they might not like the show, 0:12:35.270 --> 0:12:38.050 so I'm scamming them into thinking they might like it. Yeah, 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.440 but I thought that would be like, we could come 0:12:41.500 --> 0:12:44.000 up with some sort of format where I'm just wandering 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.460 around and I force you to zoom in. 0:12:46.510 --> 0:12:49.240 I can make up some excuse about how my legs 0:12:49.300 --> 0:12:51.199 simply no longer work. Yes. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:52.180 It's unfortunate. 0:12:53.780 --> 0:12:56.460 Somebody who really wants this to happen might break your legs. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:57.700 Yeah, that's true. 0:12:57.780 --> 0:13:00.660 I could become a floating torso, but then I would 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:02.020 always be available. 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:04.300 So this is something to think about. 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:05.260 Yeah. 0:13:05.460 --> 0:13:07.810 Yeah. Something to kick around in the head. 0:13:08.070 --> 0:13:08.470 Possible. 0:13:09.370 --> 0:13:14.089 But, yeah. For now, I'm glad to have a little 0:13:14.130 --> 0:13:16.569 taste of that and know that more is coming down 0:13:16.610 --> 0:13:16.870 the road. 0:13:16.910 --> 0:13:17.089 Yeah. 0:13:17.330 --> 0:13:20.090 Well, I think I speak for everybody when I say 0:13:20.250 --> 0:13:22.210 I feel great for you. Excited for you to get 0:13:22.250 --> 0:13:22.730 back out there. 0:13:22.850 --> 0:13:24.770 But for now, I'm glad to be back also, and 0:13:24.820 --> 0:13:26.560 it's great to be here. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:27.439 Absolutely. 0:13:27.540 --> 0:13:31.540 And we'll be back with a normal-ass episode. So fucking normal. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:32.120 So normal. 0:13:32.179 --> 0:13:36.170 On Friday. But for now, please enjoy this pre-recorded. 2006 episode. 0:13:53.900 --> 0:13:59.110 Dan and Jordan, I am sweating. KnowledgeFight.com. It's time to pray. 0:13:59.450 --> 0:14:03.230 I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I'm 0:14:03.290 --> 0:14:05.210 sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, 0:14:05.230 --> 0:14:07.790 saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight. 0:14:07.890 --> 0:14:08.890 Dan and Jordan. 0:14:09.010 --> 0:14:10.010 Knowledge Fight. 0:14:10.070 --> 0:14:11.370 Need, need money. 0:14:16.860 --> 0:14:19.500 I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:20.440 Knowledgefight.com. 0:14:36.410 --> 0:14:36.730 I love you. 0:14:36.810 --> 0:14:39.580 Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. 0:14:39.860 --> 0:14:40.300 I'm Jordan. 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.300 We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship 0:14:42.340 --> 0:14:43.880 at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit 0:14:43.900 --> 0:14:45.020 about Alex Jones. 0:14:45.140 --> 0:14:46.220 Oh, indeed we are, Dan. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:46.600 Jordan. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:47.900 Dan. Jordan. 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:48.530 Quick question for you. 0:14:48.540 --> 0:14:48.840 What's up? 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.310 What's your brain spot today, buddy? Well, I don't know 0:14:51.390 --> 0:14:54.010 if it's March. We're recording this in advance. I actually 0:14:54.030 --> 0:14:55.090 don't know if it's March. I don't know when this 0:14:55.110 --> 0:14:56.170 is going to come out. I don't know if it's March. 0:14:56.190 --> 0:14:57.690 We don't know if it's March right now. It's typically 0:14:57.730 --> 0:15:00.510 March when we're recording. Right. So in honor of that tradition, 0:15:00.550 --> 0:15:01.690 I'm going to go ahead and go first. 0:15:01.770 --> 0:15:02.080 Okay. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:02.410 All right. 0:15:02.910 --> 0:15:04.590 And look, I don't want to. I don't want to 0:15:04.830 --> 0:15:05.630 talk about Survivor. 0:15:05.850 --> 0:15:06.150 Okay. 0:15:06.290 --> 0:15:07.770 But you're going to talk about Survivor. I fucking promise 0:15:07.810 --> 0:15:09.530 I don't want to just talk about Survivor in these 0:15:09.550 --> 0:15:10.110 bright spots. 0:15:10.390 --> 0:15:11.850 But March is your Survivor month. 0:15:12.010 --> 0:15:15.170 Yeah. March Madness for the Island or something. 0:15:15.190 --> 0:15:16.050 Oh, that's not bad. 0:15:16.070 --> 0:15:16.550 No, it wasn't good. 0:15:16.570 --> 0:15:17.430 Well, I mean, it's not good. 0:15:17.450 --> 0:15:18.070 It was nothing. 0:15:18.190 --> 0:15:19.650 Yeah. 0:15:20.090 --> 0:15:20.750 Here's the thing. 0:15:20.770 --> 0:15:21.030 Yeah. 0:15:21.170 --> 0:15:22.410 I need to make a correction. 0:15:22.530 --> 0:15:22.710 Sure. 0:15:22.770 --> 0:15:24.650 And it is not about whether I've been too hard 0:15:24.700 --> 0:15:25.670 or too soft on Survivor. 0:15:25.700 --> 0:15:25.930 All right. 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:27.920 It's that I realize something. 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:28.260 Yes. 0:15:28.700 --> 0:15:32.240 You can't watch an episode of Survivor. It's not right 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.100 of me to judge it week to week. Sure. There's 0:15:35.180 --> 0:15:37.850 a story that unfolds over the course of a season. 0:15:37.870 --> 0:15:39.609 You can really only judge a season. 0:15:39.710 --> 0:15:40.510 Yeah. 0:15:40.590 --> 0:15:42.650 And I think that my approach to this, like looking 0:15:42.690 --> 0:15:44.310 at it and being like, oh, look at this. I mean, 0:15:44.510 --> 0:15:46.690 don't get me wrong. Jeff Brobe's trapping is unacceptable. 0:15:46.710 --> 0:15:47.090 It is unacceptable. 0:15:47.110 --> 0:15:48.710 And I'm not going to let him off the hook 0:15:48.730 --> 0:15:48.910 for that. 0:15:48.930 --> 0:15:49.290 Please don't. 0:15:49.690 --> 0:15:52.530 But looking at one episode and being like, oh, something 0:15:52.550 --> 0:15:53.190 dumb happened. 0:15:53.210 --> 0:15:53.530 Yeah. 0:15:53.890 --> 0:15:59.620 It's not fair. It's a book. I can't judge one 0:15:59.660 --> 0:16:00.260 chapter of it. 0:16:00.330 --> 0:16:03.590 Yeah, evaluating chapter by chapter is usually no good. 0:16:03.610 --> 0:16:03.890 No good. 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.120 On the other hand, part of that evaluating chapter by 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.660 chapter is asking yourself the question, if you introduce a 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.570 boomerang idol, do I care if it gets boomeranged? 0:16:16.660 --> 0:16:18.230 And if it doesn't, then I got to go. 0:16:18.430 --> 0:16:22.070 Yeah, but thinking about it and worrying about it too 0:16:22.110 --> 0:16:24.470 much now isn't really productive. 0:16:24.510 --> 0:16:24.930 That's fair. 0:16:25.230 --> 0:16:26.950 We can judge that and we can assess it and 0:16:26.970 --> 0:16:29.570 we can talk about it in hindsight once the season 0:16:29.630 --> 0:16:30.070 is done. 0:16:30.110 --> 0:16:30.980 When it's come back to us. 0:16:30.980 --> 0:16:34.400 Yeah, and that's really what I want to say about myself. 0:16:34.540 --> 0:16:34.680 Okay. 0:16:34.700 --> 0:16:35.780 Call myself out for this. that. 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:36.040 All right. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.240 I will always enjoy watching it, even when the episodes 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:39.680 are bad. 0:16:39.820 --> 0:16:40.020 Sure. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.739 Because I'm waiting to see what the season is. At 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.000 the end of the season, I can say, that season 0:16:45.020 --> 0:16:47.630 kind of sucked. Or I can say, that season was good. 0:16:48.110 --> 0:16:53.030 But it's not individual episodes. Not fair. I'm cutting myself off. 0:16:53.070 --> 0:16:55.310 The only way to judge a life is in totality, Dan. 0:16:55.370 --> 0:16:55.590 Right. 0:16:55.730 --> 0:16:58.750 You can't wait until it has to be finished before 0:16:58.790 --> 0:16:59.860 you can say the final word. 0:17:00.550 --> 0:17:01.370 Well.... 0:17:03.380 --> 0:17:05.970 I mean, I guess Hitler had... Yeah, never mind. 0:17:06.490 --> 0:17:07.780 It doesn't have to be. It's not a hard and 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.420 fast rule. It's a loose guideline. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.100 Okay, so what's your bright spot, Hitler guy? 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:19.360 My bright spot was yesterday. 0:17:20.260 --> 0:17:22.590 Went out, my cousin and I. Played a little tennis 0:17:22.609 --> 0:17:23.570 for the first time this year. 0:17:23.710 --> 0:17:24.210 Nice. 0:17:24.260 --> 0:17:25.119 Yeah, it was good. 0:17:25.260 --> 0:17:26.879 What's your handicap? 0:17:27.020 --> 0:17:28.080 Real bad. 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.780 Wait, does that exist in tennis or just golf? 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:32.719 I think they have a rating system. I think they 0:17:32.740 --> 0:17:35.290 have a rating system where it's like, oh, I'm a four. 0:17:35.570 --> 0:17:36.830 You know how people do stuff like that. 0:17:36.869 --> 0:17:38.650 You and your cousin don't keep score, right? 0:17:39.170 --> 0:17:40.649 We play score. 0:17:40.810 --> 0:17:42.990 We keep score, but we don't keep score in the 0:17:43.030 --> 0:17:44.670 sense that I lose every time. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.980 Even if the score is good, the game tells you 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:49.760 that I'm losing very hard. 0:17:49.940 --> 0:17:50.619 Sure. Yeah. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.180 So it's not a concern about the score, you know? 0:17:54.590 --> 0:17:55.869 But you know, it's the thing about the doing. 0:17:56.290 --> 0:17:58.750 Yeah, no, it's fun. It's boy. 0:17:58.770 --> 0:18:02.080 This is the first year that it's like, man, I 0:18:02.100 --> 0:18:05.419 am old because we went out for the first time. 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.600 And then today my league, my legs are jello. 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:13.040 Just absolute, absolutely a mess down there. 0:18:13.300 --> 0:18:16.439 Can I say something that's meant to be reassuring, but 0:18:16.500 --> 0:18:17.480 actually makes it worse? 0:18:17.540 --> 0:18:17.760 Sure. 0:18:18.340 --> 0:18:20.689 You were younger than you're ever going to be again. 0:18:20.869 --> 0:18:22.330 Probably you played that tennis. 0:18:22.350 --> 0:18:22.930 That makes sense. 0:18:23.130 --> 0:18:24.490 You will only be older. 0:18:24.590 --> 0:18:25.110 That is true. 0:18:25.750 --> 0:18:25.930 Oof. 0:18:26.190 --> 0:18:29.460 Yeah, well, I mean, you know, you can only judge 0:18:29.500 --> 0:18:30.780 a life in its totality. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:31.080 Right. 0:18:31.100 --> 0:18:35.480 Like a season of Survivor. You know, you're beating up 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:36.820 on some of these challenges. 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.060 It does, you know, it does really hammer home, like, ah, 0:18:40.380 --> 0:18:41.899 there's some stuff I wish I hadn't done when I 0:18:41.940 --> 0:18:42.680 was a younger boy. 0:18:42.700 --> 0:18:43.380 Yep. 0:18:43.900 --> 0:18:46.740 And I wonder, like, what kind of, like, you know, 0:18:46.790 --> 0:18:52.670 breakthroughs in physiology will happen that'll make people, their bones 0:18:52.730 --> 0:18:55.820 and their muscles not... deteriorate like ours are. 0:18:56.010 --> 0:18:56.450 Oh, man. 0:18:57.030 --> 0:19:00.550 I'm rooting for exosuit. I'm rooting for exosuit hardcore. 0:19:00.650 --> 0:19:03.990 Well, I saw a white paper called Elysium. Ooh. 0:19:04.030 --> 0:19:04.470 Certainly. 0:19:04.890 --> 0:19:05.350 I'll take it. 0:19:05.410 --> 0:19:07.250 And some exosuits. 0:19:07.450 --> 0:19:09.950 I will go full cyborg in a heartbeat. I am 0:19:10.050 --> 0:19:10.590 on record. 0:19:10.710 --> 0:19:11.330 Nice. Yeah. 0:19:11.670 --> 0:19:12.730 So, Jordan. 0:19:12.970 --> 0:19:13.130 Yes. 0:19:13.410 --> 0:19:14.990 Today we have a episode to go over. 0:19:15.010 --> 0:19:15.330 All right. 0:19:15.750 --> 0:19:16.729 We're going to be in the past. 0:19:16.869 --> 0:19:17.230 Okay, okay. 0:19:17.250 --> 0:19:21.130 We're going to be continuing on through March 2006. Alex 0:19:21.170 --> 0:19:23.090 has just interviewed Charlie Sheen. 0:19:23.190 --> 0:19:23.410 Right. 0:19:23.850 --> 0:19:27.619 And also seen V for Vendetta, but not talked about it. 0:19:27.730 --> 0:19:33.669 Man, that is some fucking Chekhov's gun failures right there. 0:19:33.730 --> 0:19:34.670 Like, that's brutal. 0:19:34.810 --> 0:19:40.389 We started back in our jaunt in 2006 with a 0:19:40.430 --> 0:19:44.020 surprise about Slobodan Milosevic. Yep. And now we're in much 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.370 deeper waters with Charlie Sheen and V for Vendetta. Weirdly enough. 0:19:47.430 --> 0:19:48.270 And Scanner Darkly. 0:19:48.390 --> 0:19:48.610 Yeah. 0:19:48.850 --> 0:19:52.210 All of these hanging threads. are like, we need resolution. 0:19:52.590 --> 0:19:55.729 What a fucking Mad Libs ass time period. 0:19:56.250 --> 0:19:58.450 You know, like just all the words that you've said 0:19:58.690 --> 0:20:00.910 are insane in the same context. 0:20:00.930 --> 0:20:02.910 And yet somehow reassuring. 0:20:02.930 --> 0:20:03.470 I guess. 0:20:03.490 --> 0:20:04.190 Kind of cozy. 0:20:04.230 --> 0:20:04.810 I mean, yeah. 0:20:04.830 --> 0:20:04.909 Yeah. 0:20:05.450 --> 0:20:05.730 Weird. 0:20:06.109 --> 0:20:10.480 So we'll talk about Alex's time on March 21st, 2006. 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.119 But before we do, let's take a little moment to 0:20:12.140 --> 0:20:13.119 say hello to some new walks. 0:20:13.140 --> 0:20:13.899 Oh, that's a great idea. 0:20:14.060 --> 0:20:17.609 So first. From cash bylaw to any fellow former fans 0:20:17.630 --> 0:20:21.350 who may be out there, we are all love blazeball. 0:20:21.570 --> 0:20:23.770 And to honor our hosts, we are from Chicago. Thank 0:20:23.790 --> 0:20:25.470 you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a 0:20:25.490 --> 0:20:26.130 policy wonk. 0:20:26.150 --> 0:20:26.810 Thank you very much. 0:20:26.850 --> 0:20:29.240 Thank you. Next, I dreamed I had to help Jordan 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.580 with a complex heist to steal a Kurt Vonnegut book 0:20:31.660 --> 0:20:34.159 from a Games Done quick event, while Dan did a 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.439 speed run of Donkey Kong 64, and I don't know 0:20:36.460 --> 0:20:38.060 what this says about my psyche. Thank you so much. 0:20:38.340 --> 0:20:40.330 You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. 0:20:40.369 --> 0:20:41.330 Thank you very much. Thank you. 0:20:41.770 --> 0:20:44.609 And the murder ant episode of MacGyver haunted my childhood 0:20:44.650 --> 0:20:48.410 nightmares so bad. Thanks for bringing back those terrifying memories. 0:20:48.450 --> 0:20:50.070 Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm 0:20:50.130 --> 0:20:50.810 a policy wonk. 0:20:50.830 --> 0:20:51.490 Thank you very much. 0:20:51.510 --> 0:20:53.530 Thank you. And we had a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. 0:20:53.810 --> 0:20:55.830 So thank you so much to I am a trauma 0:20:55.869 --> 0:20:58.689 therapist under supervision, and I ask all of my clients 0:20:58.710 --> 0:21:00.780 at the end of their session what their bright spot was. 0:21:01.190 --> 0:21:02.960 I want you guys to know that you're affecting lives 0:21:03.500 --> 0:21:05.419 that don't even listen to Knowledge Fight. Thank you so much. 0:21:05.460 --> 0:21:06.360 You are now a technocrat. 0:21:06.830 --> 0:21:07.770 I'm a policy wonk. 0:21:07.890 --> 0:21:10.070 Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her 0:21:10.090 --> 0:21:13.290 you're brilliant. Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. 0:21:13.369 --> 0:21:19.840 Daddy shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. 0:21:20.100 --> 0:21:22.899 He's a loser little titty baby. 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.300 I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. 0:21:26.340 --> 0:21:26.820 Thank you so much. 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:27.780 Yes, thank you very much. 0:21:27.820 --> 0:21:30.910 That's very nice to hear, but it's hard to cold read. 0:21:32.450 --> 0:21:36.470 That is the struggle. Heartfelt messages are tougher in the cold. 0:21:36.630 --> 0:21:40.570 Yeah, yeah. Much easier to say something about me playing 0:21:40.609 --> 0:21:45.400 Donkey Kong 64 in your dreams. Yep. So we got 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:50.500 some Charlie Sheen fallout going on. We got some Alex's 0:21:50.700 --> 0:21:53.400 basking in the rays. 0:21:53.700 --> 0:21:55.260 Of famous people being near him. 0:21:55.500 --> 0:21:55.780 Yep. 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.310 But at the same time, He's also worried that Bush 0:21:59.350 --> 0:22:00.330 is about to attack Iran. 0:22:00.410 --> 0:22:03.050 Well, President Bush had a press conference this morning. Bush 0:22:03.070 --> 0:22:06.120 defends decisions on Iraq war and says that it will 0:22:06.140 --> 0:22:09.500 be there at least through 08 into the next administration. 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.620 And he says, look past the bloodshed and see freedom. 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.040 So I want to go over some of these nauseating 0:22:15.980 --> 0:22:19.310 points that he's made. And he also yesterday warned Israel, 0:22:19.330 --> 0:22:24.169 excuse me, in Freudian slip, warned Iran that That if 0:22:24.210 --> 0:22:26.430 they don't do everything that Israel and others want, they're 0:22:26.470 --> 0:22:29.750 going to get attacked. And that if Israel does attack them, 0:22:29.770 --> 0:22:33.020 they better lie down and take it. If they fire back, 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.600 that is just the ultimate evil and America will have 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.100 to attack them. Sounds good to me. Hey, we're going 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:39.730 to attack you. You're going to lay there and take it. 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:41.300 You understand. Good. 0:22:41.700 --> 0:22:45.990 So the ultimate evil thing that the globalists and Bush, 0:22:46.350 --> 0:22:49.050 the thing that was going to be Bush's next step 0:22:49.270 --> 0:22:51.980 after the Iraq war was, is the thing that Trump 0:22:52.260 --> 0:22:53.500 is doing in the present. 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:53.899 Yeah. 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:54.920 That's fun. 0:22:55.340 --> 0:22:57.420 Yeah, this one's... This one was. 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:01.989 I've been really dreading really having to relive exactly how 0:23:02.050 --> 0:23:06.590 stupid things were. And this really is, like, a good 0:23:06.650 --> 0:23:10.430 jumping-off point for, like, this is how stupid things were then, 0:23:10.650 --> 0:23:11.560 and now it's dumber. 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:13.760 It's dumber than that. We have not learned. 0:23:13.859 --> 0:23:16.060 It is way dumber. It is way dumber. 0:23:16.140 --> 0:23:17.070 It is a... It's a. 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.050 It's like a slap in the face of the concept 0:23:22.290 --> 0:23:25.790 of learning itself. Everything since you were a child was like, 0:23:26.050 --> 0:23:29.850 you're going to gradually improve at something just by virtue 0:23:29.890 --> 0:23:31.300 of redoing it over time. 0:23:31.460 --> 0:23:32.060 Yeah. Yeah. 0:23:32.180 --> 0:23:32.900 That's not true. 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:35.960 No. Well, it's true in some things, but apparently not 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:38.980 in all. And this isn't like a, oh, kids these days, 0:23:39.060 --> 0:23:43.230 kind of like old people grumping about how... how everything's 0:23:43.310 --> 0:23:43.990 stupider now. 0:23:44.190 --> 0:23:46.389 It's us. We are them. 0:23:46.430 --> 0:23:46.730 Yes. 0:23:47.350 --> 0:23:49.010 We're not like all these young kids. 0:23:49.030 --> 0:23:50.490 We're like, we're, it's us. 0:23:50.609 --> 0:23:50.909 Yes. 0:23:51.350 --> 0:23:53.340 The call is coming from inside my brain. 0:23:53.380 --> 0:23:55.760 My grandpa was right. We shouldn't have watched Jackass. 0:23:55.859 --> 0:23:58.160 We shouldn't have. We shouldn't have. 0:24:00.180 --> 0:24:03.680 So I think that, you know, obviously things are stupid now, 0:24:03.770 --> 0:24:05.830 but like, but like you're saying, things are stupid in 0:24:05.830 --> 0:24:09.510 2006 too. Like Alex's mix of headlines. 0:24:10.390 --> 0:24:14.830 One I didn't get into yesterday, China bans weird baby names. 0:24:14.890 --> 0:24:19.120 That's the incredible freedom of our good economic buddy that's 0:24:19.140 --> 0:24:24.179 deindustrializing us. But Iran's the threat, not China. China's just wonderful. 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:28.160 They're good people. Back to Iraq, death squads on the prowl, 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.760 Iraq convulsed by fear, and of course now it's been 0:24:30.780 --> 0:24:32.060 confirmed by Iraqi police. 0:24:32.420 --> 0:24:36.419 Such a mix of subjects. We got Iraqi death squads 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:40.510 and China's banning weird names. 0:24:40.660 --> 0:24:43.990 And yet, and yet the tone of those makes it 0:24:44.030 --> 0:24:46.689 sound as though the weird baby names thing, that's the 0:24:46.790 --> 0:24:47.650 real threat here. 0:24:47.670 --> 0:24:52.270 Well, yeah, yeah. I think it's an easier story to cover. 0:24:52.510 --> 0:24:54.070 Well, there's definitely that. 0:24:54.430 --> 0:24:56.990 You can just tee off on that one. What's a 0:24:57.050 --> 0:24:57.750 weird name? 0:24:57.810 --> 0:25:00.410 What is a weird name? All your names are weird 0:25:00.450 --> 0:25:00.800 to me. 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:06.560 I'm from Texas. Yeah. So, you know, you got these 0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:08.700 kind of plates that are spinning. We got Bush is 0:25:08.740 --> 0:25:11.300 threatening Iran. China's threatening weird names. 0:25:11.380 --> 0:25:11.580 Sure. 0:25:11.970 --> 0:25:13.910 Iraqi death squads are threatening everybody. 0:25:13.970 --> 0:25:15.990 The three most dangerous things in 2006. 0:25:15.990 --> 0:25:20.590 But really more what's going on is that Alex is like, 0:25:20.930 --> 0:25:23.800 I fucking did it. I interviewed Charlie Sheen. And he's 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.680 a great man. And the neocons really just don't like 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:27.840 him because he's not gay. 0:25:28.540 --> 0:25:32.919 Our Charlie Sheen interview has been, of course, posted all 0:25:32.940 --> 0:25:36.100 over the internet, blogs, forums, everywhere. And all these neocons, 0:25:37.090 --> 0:25:42.820 the tiny little gun-grabbing anti-American minority they are, the ultra-Soviet 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:47.900 minority they are, are sending little threatening, little mean emails about, oh, 0:25:47.980 --> 0:25:50.760 Charlie Sheen, look, you know, he had trouble with women 0:25:50.820 --> 0:25:53.870 and drugs in the past, back in the 90s. So 0:25:53.890 --> 0:25:56.670 how dare him have any right to say anything? Your 0:25:56.820 --> 0:26:02.940 president is a DWI-admitted cokehead who kisses on and hugs 0:26:03.140 --> 0:26:07.740 on male prostitutes inside the press briefing room in front 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:09.889 of everyone, and you all ignore it. He knows he 0:26:09.930 --> 0:26:11.510 can just do it in front of everybody, and they 0:26:11.550 --> 0:26:16.369 admittedly bust in gay porn stars. So, you know, at 0:26:16.410 --> 0:26:19.929 least Charlie Sheen back in the 90s, you know, it 0:26:19.970 --> 0:26:23.590 was women. And he doesn't do that anymore. He's a 0:26:23.630 --> 0:26:25.490 homebody now. And listen, I talked to the guy. I 0:26:25.490 --> 0:26:27.050 was impressed. He knows all about 9-11. He's been listening 0:26:27.150 --> 0:26:30.729 to the show for years. And we had him on 0:26:30.810 --> 0:26:33.609 because it exposes 9-11. And I can't wait to write 0:26:33.650 --> 0:26:36.439 a response to these nutjobs. I mean, you guys are 0:26:36.540 --> 0:26:41.619 really pathetic. I know. Jeff Gannon and all those other people. 0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:43.000 And I'm not just talking about Jeff Gannon. You understand 0:26:43.020 --> 0:26:45.300 the New York Post and others have reported, the San 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:50.869 Francisco Chronicle, that literal jets land there. with $ 5, 000 a 0:26:51.050 --> 0:26:54.830 day male prostitutes from all over America and Europe to 0:26:54.869 --> 0:26:58.490 go in there with your Christian conservative leaders and enjoy themselves? 0:26:58.990 --> 0:27:02.230 I mean, it makes Brokeback Mountain look like a tiddlywinks. 0:27:03.510 --> 0:27:05.350 I can't wait to write a response to this. 0:27:05.490 --> 0:27:06.170 Wait, wait, wait, wait. 0:27:06.290 --> 0:27:10.900 I mean, you guys are just unbelievable. Oh, and you're 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:14.020 so Christian. Look at who Christ was out there working with. 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.000 Look at who he was reforming. Look at who he was. 0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:18.100 You guys need to get the sticks out of your 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:22.060 own eyes. Now, maybe you'd like Sheen if it was men. 0:27:22.900 --> 0:27:25.560 I understand you're good Republicans, and I understand basically who 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.750 runs the Republican Party, Drudge and all that crew. I mean, 0:27:28.790 --> 0:27:32.369 believe me, I fully understand. And so you're mad that 0:27:32.410 --> 0:27:36.720 Charlie likes girls, and it upsets you. It's very upsetting 0:27:36.740 --> 0:27:39.250 to you. Of course, this is my audience. It isn't 0:27:39.270 --> 0:27:41.250 even the neocons that are emailing me. I've just got 0:27:41.270 --> 0:27:44.490 to write all this up. Because it's just, you guys 0:27:44.530 --> 0:27:47.840 cannot deal with reality. You can't deal with anything. Go 0:27:47.859 --> 0:27:51.119 drink your Jack Daniels, and, you know, you're good, and 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:55.939 everything's fine. Charlie Sheen doesn't even drink now. He has 0:27:55.980 --> 0:27:57.990 a teetotaler. Yep. Wow. 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.790 Who knows? That makes you think of that Tim Pool moment. 0:28:03.830 --> 0:28:05.730 He's drinking tea now. 0:28:05.950 --> 0:28:06.190 Yeah. 0:28:06.310 --> 0:28:07.909 He's drinking Topo Chico now. 0:28:08.070 --> 0:28:08.330 Now. 0:28:08.550 --> 0:28:10.090 Charlie Sheen may be sober now. 0:28:10.270 --> 0:28:11.970 Now. Very important. 0:28:12.170 --> 0:28:16.280 So recently, he put out a memoir. Charlie Sheen did. 0:28:16.670 --> 0:28:17.710 Oh, yeah, that's right. He did. 0:28:17.890 --> 0:28:18.110 Yeah. 0:28:18.369 --> 0:28:21.130 And in interviews, he very famously talked about how he 0:28:21.430 --> 0:28:22.360 flipped the menu. 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:23.200 He did. 0:28:23.340 --> 0:28:24.240 And had sex with men. 0:28:24.500 --> 0:28:24.780 Yes. 0:28:25.100 --> 0:28:28.679 So I don't. It's so funny for Alex to be like, 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.820 at least he likes women. I mean, at least he's 0:28:31.859 --> 0:28:33.680 not gay like you Republicans. 0:28:33.900 --> 0:28:34.359 What a. 0:28:34.380 --> 0:28:37.000 Yeah, he was Charlie's open minded fellow. 0:28:37.540 --> 0:28:40.550 What a wild series of criticisms to think that they 0:28:40.610 --> 0:28:41.210 are criticism. 0:28:41.250 --> 0:28:41.950 You know what I'm saying? 0:28:41.990 --> 0:28:45.450 Like, he thinks those are critiques as opposed to just 0:28:46.130 --> 0:28:48.580 saying homophobic things at a wall. 0:28:48.860 --> 0:28:49.120 Yeah. 0:28:49.220 --> 0:28:49.520 You know? 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:53.580 No, not to a wall. To his imagination of the 0:28:53.620 --> 0:28:54.570 people who are emailing him. 0:28:54.620 --> 0:28:54.800 Right. 0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:55.640 Right, right, right. 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.390 He's using his radio show to respond to these emails. 0:28:58.950 --> 0:29:00.170 That may or may not exist. 0:29:00.230 --> 0:29:02.060 Which is a very healthy attitude. 0:29:02.430 --> 0:29:05.680 You know, if I see that and I say, what 0:29:05.780 --> 0:29:08.680 if that man had access to social media? 0:29:09.180 --> 0:29:10.650 I think he's going to do great with it. 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:11.080 Yeah. Yeah. 0:29:11.100 --> 0:29:11.780 He's not going to fall into holes. 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:13.660 I think he's going to be really responsible about. 0:29:13.460 --> 0:29:13.720 It, too. 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:14.320 Yeah. 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:20.300 So Alex is largely just kind of, you know, like, hey, 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:27.600 I am cool. I interviewed famous... Specifically heterosexual man, Charlie Sheen. 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:28.300 Very much so. 0:29:28.500 --> 0:29:30.740 And the neocons of the New World Order are just 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:34.090 really upset. And I think all of you New World 0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:35.050 Order people are cowards. 0:29:35.210 --> 0:29:38.410 They love it. I've had neocons say, I want to 0:29:38.450 --> 0:29:40.250 take a chip. I want one to prove I'm gay. good. 0:29:40.510 --> 0:29:42.630 They want to put all the Arabs in camps, all 0:29:42.670 --> 0:29:44.820 the Muslims in camps. They want to live in a 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:48.560 police state because they're cowards. Because deep down, they know 0:29:48.580 --> 0:29:50.459 the New World Order is coming down, so they've made 0:29:50.500 --> 0:29:55.320 a psychological decision to rationalize everything. 0:29:55.660 --> 0:29:58.660 But Alex believes that a New World Order is coming down, too. 0:29:59.170 --> 0:30:00.810 He just thinks that it could be a different New 0:30:00.850 --> 0:30:01.430 World Order. 0:30:01.690 --> 0:30:02.050 Yeah. 0:30:02.730 --> 0:30:08.340 This doesn't match. When I talk about in 2026 him saying, like, 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.600 we're having a new New World Order, this is part 0:30:10.620 --> 0:30:13.680 of the reason why it doesn't work for him. This 0:30:13.770 --> 0:30:14.830 is part of his history. 0:30:15.130 --> 0:30:18.870 That clip sounds... like a bullet fired from the past. 0:30:19.830 --> 0:30:22.780 Like it is, that is like, what else do you, 0:30:22.830 --> 0:30:23.990 what else do you need to hear, man? 0:30:24.540 --> 0:30:26.300 Come on, buddy. Listen to yourself. 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:28.160 Listen to yourself. Call yourself a coward. 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:31.400 Yeah. Listen to yourself. This is you talking to you. 0:30:31.420 --> 0:30:35.030 Yeah. So we get back to the subject of Charlie 0:30:35.070 --> 0:30:37.150 Sheen and his sexual proclivities. 0:30:37.970 --> 0:30:41.500 Sure, which is absolutely great. 0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.760 That's scary, and they can't even admit that to themselves. 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:48.880 They're not going to admit homosexual prostitutes in the White 0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:52.680 House past midnight 50-something times with other male prostitutes with them. 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.260 These aren't male prostitutes for the women, boys and girls. 0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:01.500 This is for the neocons, those disgusting fat old men 0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:02.280 in their. 0:31:04.060 --> 0:31:06.340 Little twerply men doing all the things they do. 2006, huh? 0:31:06.380 --> 0:31:06.810 How about it? 0:31:06.820 --> 0:31:11.320 It just makes me sick. It makes me want to 0:31:11.460 --> 0:31:14.610 throw up. And, you know, I'm not saying the things 0:31:14.630 --> 0:31:17.210 that Charlie Sheen's done is good, but my gosh, being 0:31:17.210 --> 0:31:21.190 25 years old and liking racy women, if that's the case, 0:31:21.230 --> 0:31:23.170 then King David, the man after God's own heart, is 0:31:23.230 --> 0:31:26.670 in deep trouble. He had people killed for their women, 0:31:26.710 --> 0:31:31.040 and God forgave him. But you can't forgive Charlie Sheen, 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:36.310 can you? Wait. Last time I checked, he isn't killing 0:31:36.350 --> 0:31:42.240 people for their women. He just likes them. And what 0:31:42.340 --> 0:31:46.980 hypocrites are you out there to tell yourselves just because 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:48.980 you've never acted on impulses and that's good that you 0:31:49.020 --> 0:31:50.140 don't like women? 0:31:50.420 --> 0:31:52.340 Come on, man. He likes women. 0:31:52.980 --> 0:31:54.900 I am feeling very confused. 0:31:55.970 --> 0:31:57.650 Well, let me help if you have any questions. 0:31:57.710 --> 0:31:58.050 All right. 0:31:58.150 --> 0:32:04.780 So I feel like a ranking is being made here, right? Obviously, 0:32:04.890 --> 0:32:10.720 number one, Jesus without sin. Obviously, that's tops, right? Number two, 0:32:12.340 --> 0:32:17.100 fucking a lady under inauspicious circumstances. 0:32:17.260 --> 0:32:19.020 Are we talking about a racy lady? 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:20.760 I think that's what we're talking about, right? 0:32:20.980 --> 0:32:26.140 Number two, right? Number three, I believe... murdering men to 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:27.100 steal their women. 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:29.420 So we're talking King David is below Charlie Sheen. 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.140 And then number four is just being attracted to a 0:32:32.180 --> 0:32:33.440 man in some form or fashion. 0:32:33.460 --> 0:32:36.030 That is certainly less forgivable for Alex. 0:32:36.290 --> 0:32:37.800 It feels like that's where we're. 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:42.170 At right here. Yeah. And I think that, you know, 0:32:42.890 --> 0:32:44.430 with David, with King David. 0:32:44.450 --> 0:32:44.590 Sure. 0:32:45.370 --> 0:32:47.850 An essential piece of his story is the repentance. 0:32:48.010 --> 0:32:48.990 Yeah, that is pretty important. 0:32:49.010 --> 0:32:52.010 You know, like he wouldn't, God would not have thought 0:32:52.070 --> 0:32:54.990 him of his, like after his own heart. 0:32:55.130 --> 0:32:55.350 Sure. 0:32:55.690 --> 0:32:58.030 If he had done all that shit and then been like, 0:32:58.170 --> 0:33:00.270 I also have tiger blood and I'm winning. 0:33:00.430 --> 0:33:00.850 Yeah. 0:33:01.030 --> 0:33:03.810 You know, like that, that would be a problem for God. Yeah. 0:33:04.310 --> 0:33:08.380 Well, I mean, it's also helpful for us for everybody 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.500 who knew David and David himself to be dead, right? 0:33:11.580 --> 0:33:13.080 Then we don't have to bring any of our own 0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:15.160 complicated moral baggage to it at all. 0:33:15.220 --> 0:33:17.780 Like, that guy, it's too late for me to care now. 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:18.260 Yeah. 0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:20.840 Right? David's sitcom was terrible. 0:33:20.900 --> 0:33:24.410 That wasn't very good. They said he was a good singer. 0:33:24.810 --> 0:33:25.630 Couldn't talk for shit. 0:33:25.870 --> 0:33:26.130 Yeah. 0:33:26.370 --> 0:33:30.690 I think that there is just some thing going on 0:33:31.050 --> 0:33:36.740 where Alex is just like, look, Yeah, he's bad, but 0:33:36.780 --> 0:33:39.160 he talked to me, and he's not gay. 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:43.540 Yep, that is exactly. I mean, it is amazing. 0:33:43.660 --> 0:33:44.220 Low bar. 0:33:44.380 --> 0:33:47.360 It is so hard to really, and I think it 0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:48.300 happens to everybody. 0:33:48.380 --> 0:33:50.620 It happens to every generation. It happens to everybody. 0:33:51.070 --> 0:33:53.050 It is so hard to remember some of the most 0:33:53.130 --> 0:33:57.490 banal things, but the worst part of remembering banal things 0:33:57.550 --> 0:33:59.110 is when banal things were. 0:33:59.290 --> 0:34:01.910 Exactly how homophobic everyone was. 0:34:02.250 --> 0:34:02.470 Yeah. 0:34:02.590 --> 0:34:05.950 Like, it's hard to remember because it wasn't exciting or 0:34:06.290 --> 0:34:07.340 new or in anything. 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:11.259 It was so boring and banal how everybody was just like, oh, 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.200 being gay is wrong all the time. 0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:13.780 Yeah. 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:14.180 You know? 0:34:14.340 --> 0:34:14.560 Yeah. 0:34:14.820 --> 0:34:21.750 And I think that it's not what Alex wants to 0:34:21.810 --> 0:34:25.790 present as was normal then. Right, right. Like, these are like. 0:34:27.770 --> 0:34:30.310 The things that he could get away with and were 0:34:30.370 --> 0:34:31.590 normal of the time. 0:34:31.730 --> 0:34:31.890 Yeah. 0:34:32.170 --> 0:34:34.649 And now he wants to be like, hey, if people 0:34:34.690 --> 0:34:36.569 are gay, I'm totally fine with it. I'm totally cool 0:34:36.590 --> 0:34:36.799 with it. 0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:37.060 No big deal. 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:38.960 What you do in your bedroom is your own business. 0:34:39.180 --> 0:34:39.399 Right. 0:34:39.460 --> 0:34:42.860 And that's not the case. That's never been his perspective. 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:46.939 It's just that Social progress made it to a certain 0:34:46.980 --> 0:34:50.010 point where it was no longer acceptable for him to 0:34:50.150 --> 0:34:55.410 act like this without being accurately labeled as the hateful 0:34:56.030 --> 0:34:56.710 person that he is. 0:34:56.770 --> 0:35:00.469 Yeah, and it is like, this is judged and it 0:35:00.530 --> 0:35:02.670 should be judged. And it's also like, but at the 0:35:02.710 --> 0:35:05.489 time you have to remember that Obama got elected and 0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:06.980 they were like, Hey, should gay people be married? 0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:08.799 And he's like, ah, I'm thinking about it. 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:09.200 Right. 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:10.480 I'm thinking about it. 0:35:10.540 --> 0:35:10.739 Right. 0:35:10.860 --> 0:35:12.680 It's, you know, it was the air that we all 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.040 breathed in and we all, we were all part of 0:35:15.060 --> 0:35:18.700 culture all felt like that was what was normal. And 0:35:19.100 --> 0:35:22.340 I think that you can look back at, at people 0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:25.600 and their actions and have criticisms of them. 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:25.859 Sure. 0:35:25.940 --> 0:35:30.259 But if they've changed it also, that makes things Alex 0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:35.720 hasn't changed except for hiding the, Right. These beliefs behind 0:35:35.780 --> 0:35:36.520 even worse ones. 0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:36.980 Yep. 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.180 So that's the real problem. 0:35:40.219 --> 0:35:41.060 Yeah. 0:35:41.219 --> 0:35:43.640 He's the view by which we can judge the past, 0:35:43.660 --> 0:35:46.640 but he himself is a piece of shit throughout all time. 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.000 Yes. The platonic ideal of a piece of shit. 0:35:49.020 --> 0:35:49.660 A piece of shit, yeah. 0:35:50.219 --> 0:35:55.120 So Alex, I think one of the real strong feelings 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:56.700 he has this day is. 0:35:58.420 --> 0:36:00.800 He did not get enough attention for the Charlie Sheen interview. 0:36:00.860 --> 0:36:02.130 He wanted more. Oh, yeah. 0:36:02.150 --> 0:36:03.210 It should have been bigger. 0:36:03.790 --> 0:36:06.029 I get a call from Charlie last week. Check. It 0:36:06.090 --> 0:36:10.010 is Charlie Sheen. Talk to him three or four times, 0:36:10.050 --> 0:36:12.900 sometimes an hour and a half at a time. He 0:36:12.940 --> 0:36:15.680 wants to come on. He wants to stand up. The 0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:17.860 only place he felt safe, he said, to come out 0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:21.020 and speak, where he wouldn't be taken out of context. 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:21.969 And I said, Charlie. 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.239 You know, you're so on target with this that they'll probably, 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:30.799 there's a good chance they'll ignore it because it'll be 0:36:30.860 --> 0:36:32.540 so mainline and the facts you lay out will be 0:36:32.580 --> 0:36:35.109 so documented that they can't attack you. This isn't something 0:36:35.150 --> 0:36:38.310 dirty to say about you. I predicted that there'd be 0:36:38.330 --> 0:36:44.550 a predominant blackout in the mainstream media on this. And 0:36:44.570 --> 0:36:47.259 other people are like, oh, no way, man. I mean, 0:36:47.860 --> 0:36:50.779 if a Hollywood person falls off their bicycle, it's top news, 0:36:50.820 --> 0:36:55.510 especially Charlie Sheen. I said, just watch. And then we 0:36:55.570 --> 0:37:00.330 get a call from AP. We're talking to them. 0:37:00.350 --> 0:37:02.770 They're going to do a story. 0:37:02.810 --> 0:37:05.830 Nothing happens. We call AP out in L.A., talk to 0:37:05.850 --> 0:37:09.540 their head guy out there. Jeff Williams, I believe is 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:11.779 the name, left the notes at the home office and 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:15.180 brought those with me. Yeah, it's Jeff Williams. And he's 0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:20.379 just real, yeah, Alex, what do you want? Just real 0:37:20.420 --> 0:37:23.450 tough guy. You got that whole M.O. about him. I 0:37:23.469 --> 0:37:25.330 wonder if he's seen some tours in Southeast Asia. I 0:37:25.330 --> 0:37:28.000 wonder what he's been up to. But it's important. Wait, what? 0:37:28.020 --> 0:37:31.420 They're at AP in Los Angeles over the Propaganda Bureau. 0:37:31.940 --> 0:37:35.299 Seemed like an experienced fellow. And I'm like, yeah, you 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:39.969 guys aren't going to run this story? And he goes, no, 0:37:39.989 --> 0:37:42.890 we're not. I know all about Charlie Sheen. I personally 0:37:42.969 --> 0:37:45.680 don't care what he says. I go, oh. But is 0:37:45.739 --> 0:37:50.029 it newsworthy, Mr. Williams? Your very office, your very AP 0:37:50.050 --> 0:37:53.810 office put out the Santana story. Carlos Santana just with 0:37:53.830 --> 0:38:00.570 a milquetoast statement, I said, I said a tame statement about, 0:38:00.610 --> 0:38:02.160 you know, he disagrees with the war and that he's 0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:05.600 into peace and love, a different philosophy than Bush. He said, oh, whatever. 0:38:05.620 --> 0:38:07.620 And I said, well, I need to quote you on this. 0:38:08.140 --> 0:38:11.819 Are you saying this isn't newsworthy? And he said, we're 0:38:11.860 --> 0:38:14.350 not going to run anything. And I said, is it 0:38:14.450 --> 0:38:18.089 newsworthy to have Charlie Sheen saying Bush is arrogant? Wouldn't 0:38:18.110 --> 0:38:20.089 you normally run that if it wasn't attached to all 0:38:20.110 --> 0:38:23.040 this 9-11 information? And he said, you're not going to 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:27.839 bait me and slam the phone down. You're not going 0:38:27.860 --> 0:38:32.060 to bait me. And then I called back. A woman answered. 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.640 She's like, they must have odd X or phone numbers. 0:38:34.660 --> 0:38:37.509 She's like, yes. And I go, what's your name? I'm 0:38:37.530 --> 0:38:38.989 Alex Jones. She goes, I'm not going to talk to you. 0:38:39.070 --> 0:38:40.390 I'll send you back to Mr. 0:38:40.390 --> 0:38:41.370 Williams. 0:38:43.510 --> 0:38:48.239 And I'm like, don't you think this is newsworthy? Don't 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:53.560 you think Charlie Sheen is newsworthy? I mean, regardless of 0:38:53.580 --> 0:38:57.890 what you think of him personally, isn't this newsworthy? And 0:38:57.910 --> 0:39:01.130 she hung up. And I said, all right, baby, to 0:39:01.170 --> 0:39:03.149 my wife who's sitting by me at her terminal. I said, 0:39:03.190 --> 0:39:05.690 I'm going to call the Hollywood Reporter. 0:39:06.270 --> 0:39:09.010 So what's going on here is that Alex doesn't understand 0:39:09.050 --> 0:39:13.110 how entertainment reporting works. Celebrities, particularly ones who do a 0:39:13.130 --> 0:39:15.759 lot of live performances, say a ton of crazy shit, 0:39:15.989 --> 0:39:18.640 and media outlets aren't going to just report on all 0:39:18.660 --> 0:39:22.120 of it. Some things get recorded, and they're just inevitable 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.190 to become public conversations, like when Michael Richards had his 0:39:25.250 --> 0:39:28.529 racist meltdown at the Laugh Factory. There's no way to 0:39:28.570 --> 0:39:30.220 get around that getting talked about. about. 0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:30.509 Nope. 0:39:30.930 --> 0:39:34.080 But other stuff, what you might call more marginal comments, 0:39:34.180 --> 0:39:38.140 generally get reported on or not based on, like, publicists. 0:39:39.140 --> 0:39:42.660 On its own, Charlie Sheen said something weird. That isn't 0:39:42.700 --> 0:39:44.840 a story that's going to sell itself to an outlet, 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.380 and Charlie's publicity team isn't going to get behind promoting 0:39:48.420 --> 0:39:52.980 his appearance on Alex's show. Conversely, Santana's reps are obviously 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.700 doing their job and helping push the story about him 0:39:55.739 --> 0:39:58.800 being anti-Bush because that's his brand and this is a 0:39:58.820 --> 0:40:03.870 puff piece kind of thing in the entertainment papers. Entertainment 0:40:03.910 --> 0:40:07.069 news isn't the same as news news. And unfortunately, Alex 0:40:07.110 --> 0:40:10.610 doesn't really understand how either works. Charlie Sheen being on 0:40:10.670 --> 0:40:13.250 Infowars and saying that he doesn't trust the mainstream narrative 0:40:13.290 --> 0:40:17.029 about 9-11 isn't newsworthy in terms of the real world either. 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:21.140 or what you'd put in the main sections of the newspaper. 0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:26.049 It arguably could be newsworthy for places like TMZ that 0:40:26.130 --> 0:40:29.370 do celebrity gossip. But the problem is that at this 0:40:29.410 --> 0:40:33.170 point in 2006, Charlie's on a top-rated network sitcom, and 0:40:33.210 --> 0:40:36.419 his reps are interested in keeping things that way. He's 0:40:36.460 --> 0:40:39.120 a guy with a rocky, troubled past who the tabloids 0:40:39.219 --> 0:40:42.440 love talking about, so if anything, there's a good chance 0:40:42.500 --> 0:40:45.959 that Charlie's publicity team is working against Alex in terms 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:50.339 of trying to keep this interview lower profile. Alex's phone 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:53.230 call stories, those aren't true, but they do depict something 0:40:53.270 --> 0:40:55.890 that is real, which is that he's a bad publicist. 0:40:56.010 --> 0:40:56.110 Yep. 0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:58.310 He doesn't understand. 0:40:58.730 --> 0:40:59.009 I mean. 0:41:02.210 --> 0:41:05.230 I get that he's a psycho, right? So he doesn't 0:41:05.270 --> 0:41:05.870 understand this. 0:41:05.950 --> 0:41:10.590 But to me, if I'm, like, at all personally speaking 0:41:10.650 --> 0:41:13.650 to Charlie Sheen, Charlie Sheen himself saying something along the 0:41:13.690 --> 0:41:15.390 lines of, like, I would like it so. 0:41:15.290 --> 0:41:17.440 People didn't take me out of context and all of 0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:18.160 this stuff, right? 0:41:18.620 --> 0:41:22.440 To then, like, shop around that he was on your 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.520 show to other places to try and get them to 0:41:26.020 --> 0:41:28.279 literally take him out of context. 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:28.400 In order to. 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:29.720 Yeah, so I called the Hollywood Reporter. 0:41:29.780 --> 0:41:30.460 Right, exactly. 0:41:30.500 --> 0:41:30.640 Like. 0:41:31.340 --> 0:41:33.380 How are you not selling out your friend? 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:36.200 This is exactly the same sort of behavior as after 0:41:36.290 --> 0:41:39.090 Charlie had his freak out five years later, Alex going 0:41:39.150 --> 0:41:41.950 on The View, doing the media rounds that he could 0:41:42.030 --> 0:41:43.210 do in order to associate himself. 0:41:43.230 --> 0:41:44.310 See, I can sell this. Yes. 0:41:44.370 --> 0:41:44.650 Yep. 0:41:45.030 --> 0:41:46.110 He's a bad person. 0:41:46.150 --> 0:41:47.390 He's a bad person. 0:41:47.770 --> 0:41:54.719 He's... He's being homophobic abstractly and then also just trying 0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:56.440 to exploit this person. 0:41:56.820 --> 0:41:57.080 Yeah. 0:41:57.200 --> 0:41:59.700 I mean, in a way, there's something of a morality 0:41:59.739 --> 0:42:02.740 play to his entire life. Everything he does is something 0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:04.820 of a Punch and Judy show where it's like at 0:42:04.860 --> 0:42:06.580 the end of it, kids should go. 0:42:06.780 --> 0:42:10.720 And now we don't do that. Right. That's how this goes. 0:42:10.980 --> 0:42:12.899 You treat your friends better than that. 0:42:13.260 --> 0:42:13.720 Yeah. 0:42:15.489 --> 0:42:16.110 God. God. 0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:21.290 It just doesn't, you know, the consequences aren't automatic, it 0:42:21.310 --> 0:42:21.690 turns out. 0:42:21.750 --> 0:42:22.730 No, that's the problem. 0:42:22.770 --> 0:42:26.370 That's the problem with, you know, we're capable of thought, 0:42:26.730 --> 0:42:29.210 but animals learn by very quick consequences. 0:42:29.350 --> 0:42:31.989 Yeah. And I think that everyone is so wrapped up 0:42:32.050 --> 0:42:36.480 in appearances, especially these days now, like. Sure. And even 0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:38.320 I say these days extending away. 0:42:38.580 --> 0:42:39.000 Yeah. 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:40.980 People were really caught up in the idea of what 0:42:41.020 --> 0:42:45.690 they thought Alex was. And they got bit by treating 0:42:45.730 --> 0:42:46.930 him like he was that. 0:42:47.010 --> 0:42:47.170 Yep. 0:42:47.310 --> 0:42:49.910 As opposed to what he actually is. Yep. And that, 0:42:49.989 --> 0:42:52.130 I think, is the one of the large themes of 0:42:52.170 --> 0:42:54.620 the Charlie Sheen and Alex story. 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:57.640 Play you know to to bring it back to alex's 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:01.299 territory it's almost like that by the fruits of their 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:05.160 actions and not the the way it looks right you 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.279 know maybe i don't know if somebody said something about 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:07.960 that a while. 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:10.500 Back william shakespeare william shakespeare. 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:13.759 How did he pronounce it shakes there's a shakespeare mispronunciation 0:43:13.820 --> 0:43:16.930 i can't remember now anyway no one cares about this 0:43:17.130 --> 0:43:19.530 uh charlie sheen interview and it's bumming alex out yeah. 0:43:19.860 --> 0:43:22.360 It's just such an illustration of what we face and 0:43:22.420 --> 0:43:24.120 what we deal with, and that's why it's up to 0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:26.620 you to spread the word and the stories we put out. 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:30.960 If you don't do it, nobody will. If you don't report, 0:43:31.460 --> 0:43:37.380 no one will. It is so vitally important that you report, 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.680 that you get the word out, that you email your friends, 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:43.779 that you email your family, that you call the Associated 0:43:43.820 --> 0:43:46.569 Press all over this country, every office, that you've got 0:43:46.610 --> 0:43:48.730 one in your town if it's a good-sized city. And 0:43:48.770 --> 0:43:51.230 you call him and you say, hey, and most of 0:43:51.270 --> 0:43:52.910 these people are nice. Most of them are on some 0:43:53.330 --> 0:43:59.040 government payroll. And say, isn't that newsworthy that Charlie Sheen is, 0:43:59.110 --> 0:44:03.210 especially Charlie Sheen. But see, everything he said was so credible. 0:44:03.570 --> 0:44:07.290 See, it's very transparent, the message that Alex has here, 0:44:07.350 --> 0:44:09.750 that is no one's interested in the story that I'm 0:44:09.770 --> 0:44:12.690 trying to push. So I need you to make it marketable. 0:44:12.710 --> 0:44:12.870 Yep. 0:44:13.110 --> 0:44:15.830 I need you to be my street team, push everything out, 0:44:15.890 --> 0:44:20.290 get me publicity. Mm-hmm. create the appearance of demand so 0:44:20.370 --> 0:44:23.469 these papers will publish a story about him being on 0:44:23.510 --> 0:44:23.950 my show. 0:44:23.989 --> 0:44:24.109 Yep. 0:44:24.989 --> 0:44:27.290 And I think if people could see through that back then. 0:44:27.870 --> 0:44:29.890 it would have solved us a lot of headache. 0:44:30.190 --> 0:44:31.230 Yeah, it's tough. 0:44:31.489 --> 0:44:35.190 It's tough because sometimes you're like, oh, gatekeepers shouldn't have 0:44:35.250 --> 0:44:38.330 control over things. But then other times you're like, maybe 0:44:38.390 --> 0:44:39.910 I'm just a piece of shit trying to trick a 0:44:39.950 --> 0:44:42.030 bunch of people into calling a newspaper. 0:44:42.250 --> 0:44:46.670 Yeah. I think gatekeepers get a bad rap. On one hand. 0:44:46.910 --> 0:44:47.790 On the other hand, they don't. 0:44:48.670 --> 0:44:50.730 Right. The danger of being a gatekeeper. 0:44:50.910 --> 0:44:54.590 Yeah, I think some gatekeepers, I especially think, maybe in 0:44:54.650 --> 0:44:58.590 terms of entertainment gossip news... Maybe that's fine if there's. 0:44:58.410 --> 0:45:00.529 A gate there. Maybe we need a bigger gate around 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:01.160 all of it. 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.580 Maybe Entertainment Gossip News needs a gigantic gate. 0:45:04.620 --> 0:45:07.940 Maybe it was always stupid. I don't know. 0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:10.620 No, listen, we can never engage with the thought maybe 0:45:10.660 --> 0:45:13.160 it was always stupid. Then it goes out of control. 0:45:14.530 --> 0:45:17.930 So a lot of this episode, I'll be honest, not 0:45:18.030 --> 0:45:21.410 really worth listening to because it is just repeating Alex's 0:45:22.070 --> 0:45:25.350 feelings about how he should be cooler for talking to 0:45:25.390 --> 0:45:29.760 Charlie Sheen. And then also, there's a lot of, there's calls. 0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:31.620 That's the other part of the show. Right, right, right. 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:32.240 He takes calls. 0:45:32.420 --> 0:45:34.940 Calls about how he should be more famous for talking 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:35.879 to Charlie Sheen. 0:45:35.940 --> 0:45:38.620 Some of them. And then some of them kind of 0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:39.799 go off the rails a little bit. 0:45:39.820 --> 0:45:43.029 All right. All right. Chris in New Hampshire, you're on 0:45:43.050 --> 0:45:43.770 the air. Go ahead. 0:45:43.890 --> 0:45:44.450 Yeah, you're on. 0:45:44.450 --> 0:45:46.230 Fire today, Alex. I just want to say thank you 0:45:46.250 --> 0:45:46.670 very much. 0:45:46.690 --> 0:45:57.609 That's funny, sir. And that's, I'm not quite sure what 0:45:57.650 --> 0:46:10.640 that means. Pardon me? What does that mean? Let him go, 0:46:10.660 --> 0:46:14.140 let him go. So many people have been, I don't 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:17.040 know if he's been destroyed psychologically, but so many young 0:46:17.060 --> 0:46:19.240 people I talk to are either awake or it's just 0:46:19.340 --> 0:46:22.710 giggle at everything. And then act a fool and somehow 0:46:22.730 --> 0:46:24.990 everything will be all right. And maybe that's the response. 0:46:25.030 --> 0:46:26.810 Maybe that's good, sir. 0:46:27.230 --> 0:46:29.630 I don't know exactly what that guy was doing, but 0:46:29.710 --> 0:46:33.230 I believe he was saying Om Shanti. Yeah. Which is 0:46:33.510 --> 0:46:36.239 like a prayer to Shanti of like a peace. 0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:37.480 Yeah, he's doing a thing. 0:46:37.580 --> 0:46:38.080 I think. 0:46:38.420 --> 0:46:38.660 Yeah. 0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:41.560 It's not the youth, their minds being destroyed. It's like. 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:45.180 It's a cultural thing that Alex is, I think he 0:46:45.219 --> 0:46:47.910 thinks someone speaking like Hindi is a demon. 0:46:47.930 --> 0:46:49.090 Well, that's what I was thinking. 0:46:49.130 --> 0:46:52.750 I was trying to process what the world, because obviously 0:46:53.170 --> 0:46:55.710 the world is not this. But what if Alex's points 0:46:55.770 --> 0:46:59.180 of view were the only two available to you? The 0:46:59.300 --> 0:47:02.140 mind is destroyed of the youth, which means that this 0:47:02.219 --> 0:47:02.980 is the type. 0:47:02.780 --> 0:47:05.580 Of behavior that comes from destroyed minds. 0:47:06.060 --> 0:47:06.279 Yeah. 0:47:06.300 --> 0:47:06.460 Right. 0:47:06.540 --> 0:47:08.320 Which means I should be seeing something like this a 0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:10.870 lot more if the entire youth has had their mind destroyed. 0:47:10.890 --> 0:47:14.029 They're all going around praying to Shanti. 0:47:14.090 --> 0:47:16.790 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I don't see that very often at all. 0:47:17.290 --> 0:47:17.469 Right. 0:47:17.530 --> 0:47:21.120 The other option is that they're just giggling at everything. 0:47:21.780 --> 0:47:22.520 I wasn't giggling. 0:47:22.580 --> 0:47:24.779 Which I don't even know if that's, is that a thing? 0:47:24.980 --> 0:47:26.620 Is that a character trait? 0:47:26.700 --> 0:47:28.000 Demons love to laugh. 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.760 They just, ah, they're just having a grand old time. 0:47:30.820 --> 0:47:31.820 So why are you mad? 0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:36.890 And why are you so insistent that comedy be illegal? 0:47:37.790 --> 0:47:39.630 If demons are all out there giggling. 0:47:39.870 --> 0:47:40.530 That's a good point. 0:47:40.710 --> 0:47:43.650 Then if comedy is legal and everybody can make jokes. 0:47:43.930 --> 0:47:44.210 Yeah. 0:47:44.310 --> 0:47:46.230 It would be so much harder to tell the difference 0:47:46.290 --> 0:47:47.630 between demons and humans. 0:47:47.650 --> 0:47:47.770 Yeah. 0:47:48.550 --> 0:47:50.330 Did we ever get to the bottom of whether or 0:47:50.370 --> 0:47:51.630 not the devil invented comedy? 0:47:53.070 --> 0:47:54.070 Was this on the table? 0:47:54.330 --> 0:47:58.310 I thought that was the first question. Like, where does 0:47:58.330 --> 0:48:00.649 God come from? Second, is it the devil who gave 0:48:00.670 --> 0:48:01.150 us comedy? 0:48:01.210 --> 0:48:03.210 I hate to say this as someone who likes to 0:48:03.250 --> 0:48:06.410 be funny. And I think, you know, I'd spend a 0:48:06.430 --> 0:48:07.270 lot of time doing comedy. 0:48:07.330 --> 0:48:07.509 Sure. 0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:09.980 I think in God's perfect world. 0:48:10.380 --> 0:48:10.880 No comedy? 0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:17.310 It's not necessary. A lot of comedy has to do 0:48:17.350 --> 0:48:20.489 with observations and things that are weird and not how 0:48:20.530 --> 0:48:24.560 they should be. I don't think in heaven that would exist. 0:48:25.900 --> 0:48:29.000 I mean, the argument could be made that comedy is 0:48:29.380 --> 0:48:32.160 in and of itself a form of processing suffering. 0:48:32.380 --> 0:48:32.620 Yeah. 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.399 And that therefore, should there be no suffering, there would 0:48:35.460 --> 0:48:37.320 be nothing funny to exist. 0:48:37.700 --> 0:48:40.160 So I do think that you could make an argument 0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:41.069 that comedy is of the devil. 0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.279 I think we have to admit it right now. All 0:48:45.300 --> 0:48:46.300 comedians are Satanists. 0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:50.770 Yep. Rogan. Just Rogan. 0:48:51.070 --> 0:48:52.690 Just fucking Rogan. 0:48:53.530 --> 0:48:57.290 Yeah, no, I don't know. I think that this conversation 0:48:57.350 --> 0:49:03.390 is dumb and fun on one level, but... Certainly not 0:49:03.450 --> 0:49:04.390 prescriptive of anything. 0:49:04.489 --> 0:49:08.200 I mean, it wasn't as elucidating as maybe that call was. 0:49:08.340 --> 0:49:08.959 No. No. 0:49:09.140 --> 0:49:09.600 I liked it. 0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:11.060 I kind of did, too. 0:49:11.500 --> 0:49:14.040 Whenever I'm listening to these episodes, something like that really 0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:20.090 breaks things up. So Alex takes another call, and this guy... 0:49:20.430 --> 0:49:23.920 is trying to justify why it's cool that Alex uses 0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:26.680 celebrity to get his message across. Okay, good. 0:49:27.390 --> 0:49:28.740 At the end of the day, I mean, the elite 0:49:28.780 --> 0:49:31.680 love using celebrities like Bon Jovi and the Sugar Babes, 0:49:31.700 --> 0:49:35.359 you know, when they're shilling for globalism. Oh, yeah, they've 0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:38.140 sold us that that's all that matters. But then they 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:39.890 try to switch gears and say, when one of these 0:49:39.930 --> 0:49:41.810 people gets out of line, oh, no, it doesn't matter. 0:49:41.830 --> 0:49:44.850 They try to slap them back down. That's exactly right. 0:49:44.930 --> 0:49:49.810 It's total hypocrisy. I mean, somebody like Charlie Sheen, he 0:49:49.830 --> 0:49:50.989 was very informed. 0:49:51.050 --> 0:49:53.049 I had no idea he knew that much, to be honest. 0:49:53.180 --> 0:49:54.739 Oh, he knows a lot more than what you heard. 0:49:55.260 --> 0:49:58.090 So this caller's point kind of reveals the shallowness of 0:49:58.170 --> 0:50:01.529 Alex's philosophy because he's willing to give up on a 0:50:01.610 --> 0:50:05.069 good point. They have a good point that celebrities are 0:50:05.170 --> 0:50:07.509 used to promote causes that they may or may not 0:50:07.630 --> 0:50:11.790 actually care about themselves. Pretending that a celebrity endorsing something 0:50:11.850 --> 0:50:16.230 or promoting a cause automatically giving that thing credibility, pretending 0:50:16.250 --> 0:50:18.680 that's the case is dumb. And Alex is right when 0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:22.320 he criticizes that. Climate change isn't a cause worth caring 0:50:22.340 --> 0:50:25.900 about because Bono says it is. It's just a worthy cause, 0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:29.720 regardless of who's giving the message. Bono may be totally 0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:32.790 sincere in his convictions, but that really doesn't matter that much. 0:50:33.390 --> 0:50:35.830 He's using the star power that he gained from U2 0:50:35.950 --> 0:50:38.850 and directing it towards a social cause, which Alex isn't 0:50:38.890 --> 0:50:41.089 supposed to like, and he's very clear that he does 0:50:41.130 --> 0:50:44.280 not like. The way they're dealing with the Charlie Sheen 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:46.759 interview and the way this caller is approaching the subject 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:50.130 has a tendency to reveal that they aren't actually upset 0:50:50.150 --> 0:50:53.450 about celebrities preaching about stuff they have no business lecturing 0:50:53.469 --> 0:50:57.189 the public on. It's just conditional. If Bono was saying 0:50:57.210 --> 0:50:59.689 that we needed to shut down all immigration, they'd hail 0:50:59.730 --> 0:51:02.730 him as a hero. This makes it too clear that 0:51:02.750 --> 0:51:04.850 when they complain about how our culture is too caught 0:51:04.890 --> 0:51:08.790 up in celebrity worship, their criticism isn't that. they're ready 0:51:08.830 --> 0:51:11.400 and willing to use celebrities in exactly the same way 0:51:11.540 --> 0:51:13.939 when the celebrity is saying what they want them to. 0:51:14.940 --> 0:51:17.820 Why are we listening to Bono is a compelling argument 0:51:17.860 --> 0:51:19.839 for a guy like Alex to make, but if you 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.859 pay attention and understand what Alex is actually saying, he's 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:25.730 really just complaining that more famous people don't agree with him, 0:51:25.969 --> 0:51:28.450 and he's forced to pretend lunatics like Ted Nugent and 0:51:28.469 --> 0:51:32.830 Mel Gibson's dad are relevant celebrities. And Charlie Sheen is 0:51:32.850 --> 0:51:35.910 the best he can do, I guess. But that's what it, that's, 0:51:36.489 --> 0:51:39.660 He's mad that celebrity culture doesn't bend in his direction. 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:43.620 Yeah, it is interesting to because. 0:51:44.780 --> 0:51:47.180 Obviously you can look at that as a as a 0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:50.259 good faith talk about celebrity culture. But it feels like 0:51:50.300 --> 0:51:54.040 what he's really saying is that I'm the only real celebrity. 0:51:54.700 --> 0:51:54.919 Right. 0:51:55.140 --> 0:51:57.759 So the only celebrity culture that matters to me is 0:51:57.780 --> 0:52:00.239 whenever people tell me how much I'm great, how great 0:52:00.300 --> 0:52:00.490 I am. 0:52:01.219 --> 0:52:03.180 Everything is an extension of how great I am. 0:52:03.410 --> 0:52:07.589 My definition of celebrity is being in sync with the 0:52:07.650 --> 0:52:08.790 thing that I am. 0:52:09.050 --> 0:52:10.029 Right, right, right. 0:52:10.150 --> 0:52:14.590 My definition of celebrity is seeing myself reflected in bigger lights. 0:52:14.860 --> 0:52:18.420 Well, yeah, it's not true that that's the only barometer 0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:20.300 because Charlie Sheen is also famous. 0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:21.120 Sure, sure, sure. 0:52:21.380 --> 0:52:23.260 You also need the person to be famous. 0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:23.380 Yes. 0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:24.299 Right, right, right, right. 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:27.660 No, but that's what makes him a celebrity, right? If 0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:31.620 the celebrity agrees with him, he is the celebrity. That's 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:34.290 how his brain works. He can't process that. And if 0:52:34.370 --> 0:52:36.969 a celebrity disagrees with him, then he is not a 0:52:37.030 --> 0:52:38.210 celebrity anymore. 0:52:38.270 --> 0:52:42.100 Well, sort of. But I think more accurately, it's. If 0:52:42.219 --> 0:52:45.069 there is a celebrity who says the same shit that 0:52:45.150 --> 0:52:46.650 Alex says, he's a free thinker. 0:52:46.850 --> 0:52:47.009 Yes. 0:52:47.290 --> 0:52:49.810 And he has a point of view and insight and 0:52:49.850 --> 0:52:50.630 he's done his research. 0:52:50.650 --> 0:52:51.310 Because I like me. 0:52:51.650 --> 0:52:54.030 If there is a celebrity who says something different, they're 0:52:54.050 --> 0:52:57.259 a brainwashed stooge of the Illuminati who are just using 0:52:57.300 --> 0:52:58.660 celebrities to push their message. 0:52:58.680 --> 0:52:59.719 Because I don't like not me. 0:53:00.020 --> 0:53:01.560 Right. Yeah. That's more what it is. 0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:02.180 Yeah. 0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:04.969 There's a credibility that comes with you believe the exact 0:53:05.010 --> 0:53:06.189 same thing that I do. Yeah. 0:53:06.910 --> 0:53:07.190 Yeah. 0:53:07.350 --> 0:53:10.350 Whereas you should just reject all of it as like celebrity. 0:53:10.370 --> 0:53:15.060 It's meaningless. Maybe what they're into is a good message. 0:53:15.180 --> 0:53:15.959 Maybe it's not. 0:53:16.219 --> 0:53:16.419 Yeah. 0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:21.150 Who cares about them? Just reject all celebrity shit and 0:53:21.170 --> 0:53:23.740 you'd have a lot firmer ground to stand on. That's all. 0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:30.450 It's almost like how people talk about their dogs. When 0:53:30.469 --> 0:53:32.150 you're talking about your dog, a lot of times you're 0:53:32.170 --> 0:53:33.190 really talking about yourself. 0:53:33.370 --> 0:53:36.570 Sure. When you're talking about celebrities, you're complaining about yourself. 0:53:37.050 --> 0:53:39.590 Yeah, you're complaining about the mirror that you see from 0:53:40.469 --> 0:53:41.070 that culture. 0:53:41.170 --> 0:53:41.330 Yeah. 0:53:42.210 --> 0:53:43.190 So we get another caller. 0:53:43.350 --> 0:53:43.670 All right. 0:53:43.969 --> 0:53:46.450 And this guy brings up a rather unfortunate point. 0:53:46.590 --> 0:53:46.930 Shanti? 0:53:47.570 --> 0:53:51.129 Hi, Alex. Nobody deserves more commendation than you, Alex. You're 0:53:51.150 --> 0:53:55.969 the guy risking everything every day. With respect to Charlie Sheen, 0:53:56.010 --> 0:53:59.660 I am curious, though. Weren't they Clinton supporters? 0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:04.319 Yes, but I've talked to– I mean, Charlie really wasn't 0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:07.420 political then, and he's a gun owner, and he's more 0:54:07.460 --> 0:54:09.200 conservative than his father, I would venture to say. 0:54:09.570 --> 0:54:09.910 Okay. 0:54:10.170 --> 0:54:14.990 Okay. Cool. I mean, obviously more conservative than Martin Sheen. 0:54:15.110 --> 0:54:16.050 Sure, sure. 0:54:16.110 --> 0:54:20.490 Martin Sheen's pretty– Pretty progressive, eh, liberal, whatever. 0:54:20.570 --> 0:54:21.190 Whatever you like. 0:54:21.250 --> 0:54:22.330 He's a lifelong Democrat. 0:54:22.370 --> 0:54:22.569 Yeah. 0:54:23.030 --> 0:54:26.380 I do think that this caller has a relevant concern. 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:26.780 Sure. 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:28.150 And Alex hand waves it. 0:54:28.260 --> 0:54:28.480 Yep. 0:54:28.780 --> 0:54:29.640 And the guy accepts that. 0:54:30.660 --> 0:54:30.859 Yeah. 0:54:31.980 --> 0:54:35.120 Hey, doesn't this guy represent the things that we don't 0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:36.669 represent and think are actively evil? 0:54:37.210 --> 0:54:38.290 On the other hand, he's famous. 0:54:38.770 --> 0:54:39.270 Fair enough. 0:54:39.370 --> 0:54:41.569 That's a good point. I guess we'll move on. The 0:54:41.590 --> 0:54:42.730 proceedings can continue. 0:54:43.110 --> 0:54:43.270 Yep. 0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:47.150 So Alex interviews a guy who's a beef guy. 0:54:47.469 --> 0:54:48.350 He's just a beef guy? 0:54:48.370 --> 0:54:48.989 He's a beef guy. 0:54:49.190 --> 0:54:50.170 He's just a guy. 0:54:50.310 --> 0:54:53.750 From Texas, Missouri. He's a beef man. 0:54:53.790 --> 0:54:56.890 He's a beef man from the two beefiest state names 0:54:56.930 --> 0:54:57.650 that you can have. 0:54:57.790 --> 0:55:01.080 Definitely. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. But Texas is a city 0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:01.500 in Missouri. 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:02.080 Right, right. 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:02.719 I understand that. 0:55:02.739 --> 0:55:02.960 I got that. 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:05.100 I was putting it to you. As Missourians, we do 0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:08.660 that a lot. We steal names for cities. But yeah, 0:55:08.700 --> 0:55:09.060 he's a. 0:55:09.060 --> 0:55:10.590 Too creative, the people from Missouri. 0:55:10.620 --> 0:55:11.320 He loves beef. 0:55:11.710 --> 0:55:11.890 Yep. 0:55:12.130 --> 0:55:12.870 He's a cattleman. 0:55:13.190 --> 0:55:13.290 Yep. 0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:17.740 Um, he ends up running unsuccessfully in a Republican, uh, 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:21.310 congressional primary later down the road, but he has no 0:55:21.350 --> 0:55:23.890 political aspirations at this point. He just loves beef. 0:55:23.989 --> 0:55:25.629 Just fucking loves that shit. 0:55:25.850 --> 0:55:29.770 And his interview is dull. Yeah. We're not going to 0:55:29.810 --> 0:55:31.210 talk about it because he just loves beef. 0:55:31.469 --> 0:55:32.750 Of course it's dull. 0:55:32.930 --> 0:55:34.189 Yeah. Beef. 0:55:34.550 --> 0:55:35.169 Does he like beef? 0:55:35.390 --> 0:55:35.700 Loves it. 0:55:35.850 --> 0:55:37.589 Okay. Well then I think we've got everything we need 0:55:37.610 --> 0:55:40.440 to know. Next question. Next question, your honor. 0:55:41.070 --> 0:55:41.609 What's for dinner? 0:55:42.670 --> 0:55:43.730 I'm going to go with chicken. 0:55:43.950 --> 0:55:44.730 No. Oh. 0:55:44.930 --> 0:55:45.169 Beef. 0:55:45.770 --> 0:55:46.430 It's what's for dinner. 0:55:46.469 --> 0:55:47.110 Oh, okay. 0:55:47.150 --> 0:55:48.130 That was the fucking slogan. 0:55:48.150 --> 0:55:49.350 I'd never heard that slogan before. 0:55:49.370 --> 0:55:49.529 What? 0:55:49.730 --> 0:55:50.410 I'm just fucking. 0:55:50.870 --> 0:55:56.690 Where's the beef? So Alex does have another interview on 0:55:56.730 --> 0:55:57.330 this episode. 0:55:57.350 --> 0:55:57.549 Sure. 0:55:57.670 --> 0:56:00.370 And it's with his water filter sponsor. 0:56:00.390 --> 0:56:03.819 You're getting what distributors who buy hundreds are getting them for. 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:08.779 They do that because they believe in the program. They're patriots. 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:12.090 They are against the New World Order. Jim Shepard is 0:56:12.130 --> 0:56:15.530 a great Christian man, the owner. And with the Iran 0:56:15.550 --> 0:56:18.310 situation coming up, when is this a better time? And 0:56:18.370 --> 0:56:21.589 when is there a better time? With Israel saying they 0:56:21.610 --> 0:56:23.330 may attack them any minute and Bush saying they're going 0:56:23.350 --> 0:56:24.969 to back them up and Iran saying we're going to 0:56:25.010 --> 0:56:27.930 destroy you. I mean, look, scaring you gets you to 0:56:27.969 --> 0:56:31.110 buy filters. Fine. I'm telling you that's not even a threat. 0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:33.300 The threat is what is already in your water. 0:56:33.500 --> 0:56:34.660 Yeah, a little too clear there. 0:56:35.610 --> 0:56:39.060 Hey, scaring you to buy water filters. It works. It works. 0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:41.560 Why wouldn't I do it? Look, it's what you should 0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:44.799 do anyway. But yeah, I'm scaring you into buying this. 0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:47.020 I believe that you should do it anyway, but I'm 0:56:47.060 --> 0:56:48.320 not above using scare. 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:48.780 Right. 0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:49.880 Scary tactics. 0:56:50.100 --> 0:56:52.080 I know what's best for you. And if you won't 0:56:52.140 --> 0:56:54.330 choose it just because of a good argument. 0:56:54.810 --> 0:56:56.870 I will lie and cheat and trick you. 0:56:56.989 --> 0:56:59.890 And I will tell you that what I believe is 0:56:59.930 --> 0:57:03.310 best for you tends to be what people are paying 0:57:03.350 --> 0:57:04.069 me to sell you. 0:57:04.170 --> 0:57:05.470 It is crazy how that works. 0:57:05.590 --> 0:57:06.890 Yeah. It is crazy. 0:57:07.610 --> 0:57:09.310 But that's just a coincidence. 0:57:09.570 --> 0:57:12.290 It is. It is just pure happenstance that those two 0:57:12.330 --> 0:57:13.350 things occur at the same time. 0:57:13.430 --> 0:57:17.530 It's just a representation of how Alex will only make 0:57:17.610 --> 0:57:21.930 money off things that actually help you. Much like, you know, it's... 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:26.360 Fucking weird, but everything Trump does is in America's best interest. 0:57:26.400 --> 0:57:27.800 It is crazy how it works. 0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:28.640 Yeah. 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:32.150 It is. But it's good for us that our interests align. 0:57:32.170 --> 0:57:35.110 Because, I mean, from what I've seen, people whose interests 0:57:35.150 --> 0:57:37.710 don't align with him, not having a good time right now. 0:57:37.770 --> 0:57:38.410 There's some troubles. 0:57:38.450 --> 0:57:38.710 Yeah. 0:57:39.290 --> 0:57:43.510 So this interview is a dud. Because this lady that 0:57:43.530 --> 0:57:46.780 he's interviewing is the person who answers the calls at 0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:54.050 Big Berkey or whatever. So- Not necessarily a super on-air talent. 0:57:54.130 --> 0:57:55.330 Right, right, right. 0:57:55.510 --> 0:57:57.010 Certainly a drop-off from Charlie Sheen. 0:57:57.170 --> 0:57:57.530 Sure. 0:57:57.910 --> 0:58:01.350 But there's one thing that I know Alex has always 0:58:01.410 --> 0:58:05.100 said that Big Berkey, the filters, what they do. And 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:06.660 that is take fluoride out of the water. 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:07.439 Oh, my God. 0:58:08.290 --> 0:58:11.350 Unfortunately you are joking he brings that up and she 0:58:11.390 --> 0:58:15.870 has to correct him you are joking they do not mother. 0:58:14.970 --> 0:58:19.240 My memory served me uh your your your regular filtration 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:22.120 gets 80 plus percent out and then when you add 0:58:22.140 --> 0:58:23.780 the post filter only 99. 0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:28.820 It takes out about 99 okay um the actual black 0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:31.400 berkey filters don't take any of the fluoride out alex 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:34.620 It's just with the, you need to have the post filter. 0:58:34.700 --> 0:58:36.650 Okay, so is it the white ones that do that? 0:58:36.670 --> 0:58:37.770 I remember reading the literature. 0:58:37.870 --> 0:58:40.080 No, it was a long time ago. We had the 0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:43.460 very first set of filters. We tried doing a formulation. 0:58:44.060 --> 0:58:46.360 where the filters did take out some of the fluoride 0:58:46.380 --> 0:58:47.360 with the black filters. 0:58:47.460 --> 0:58:49.340 Oh, it was too slow, too slow. 0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:51.600 It was so slow, and people would have had to 0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:55.040 replace the filters so quickly. It would have been very costly. 0:58:55.260 --> 0:58:58.470 So people understand this, what we're talking about. Everybody talks 0:58:58.490 --> 0:59:01.110 about spring water being so good, or you're down in 0:59:01.130 --> 0:59:03.650 these caves. That's because it's gone through the limestone. 0:59:04.030 --> 0:59:04.550 That's correct. 0:59:04.590 --> 0:59:06.450 And this was invented in England. Great. 0:59:08.170 --> 0:59:12.210 Um, the post filter gets rid of the, uh, the, 0:59:12.270 --> 0:59:14.890 the fluoride and the water, the filters themselves don't do that. 0:59:15.050 --> 0:59:15.250 Right. 0:59:15.770 --> 0:59:19.850 So Alex's in theory sold so many people, water filters 0:59:20.350 --> 0:59:23.130 under the premise that it gets rid of fluoride and 0:59:23.230 --> 0:59:26.910 they're just drinking as much fluoride. Yep. They never would 0:59:26.950 --> 0:59:32.370 have even known. Nope. Because it's solving a non-existent problem. 0:59:32.510 --> 0:59:32.650 Yep. 0:59:33.070 --> 0:59:36.300 Uh, for, for, I would say almost, if not all, 0:59:36.450 --> 0:59:36.910 all of them. 0:59:37.110 --> 0:59:37.280 Yeah. 0:59:37.900 --> 0:59:40.220 Um, yeah. So great. 0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:40.700 Yeah. 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:43.490 It is. Here's what's interesting about it, right? 0:59:43.910 --> 0:59:48.510 This is what's interesting to me about this is statistically 0:59:48.930 --> 0:59:50.220 or inevitably, right? 0:59:50.520 --> 0:59:52.800 We know some people are going to get scammed. 0:59:53.220 --> 0:59:53.419 Hmm. 0:59:53.880 --> 0:59:57.140 If there is going to be a scam, this is 0:59:57.220 --> 0:59:59.400 the type that you would prefer, which is a scam 0:59:59.420 --> 1:00:01.720 where it's like, hey, you got scammed, but there's no 1:00:01.800 --> 1:00:06.380 negative consequences, really, other than you're talking to this guy, right? 1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:10.660 Yeah, he's profiting, but maybe it's fine to have a 1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:11.320 water filter. 1:00:11.420 --> 1:00:14.110 Maybe you get a marginal benefit. You probably didn't get 1:00:14.140 --> 1:00:15.750 your money's worth, obviously. 1:00:16.470 --> 1:00:19.169 Assumedly, it didn't put lead into your water. 1:00:19.190 --> 1:00:19.550 Exactly. 1:00:19.590 --> 1:00:20.290 So, like, sure. 1:00:20.310 --> 1:00:21.350 Right. Right. 1:00:21.470 --> 1:00:23.410 That's what this is. This is what I'm saying. 1:00:23.430 --> 1:00:25.890 This is like the twin scams we've got going on 1:00:25.930 --> 1:00:28.970 right now. I'm fine with people getting scammed for no consequences, 1:00:29.010 --> 1:00:30.710 but then they get scammed by somebody like Trump and 1:00:30.730 --> 1:00:33.660 it's like, ah, see, that's the scam that we all 1:00:33.700 --> 1:00:34.420 get fucked on. 1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:38.780 Yeah, there's severe consequences to that. Whereas making people like 1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:43.440 you probably ruin individual lives in in ways that we. 1:00:44.430 --> 1:00:45.630 tragically never hear about. 1:00:45.710 --> 1:00:45.930 Sure. 1:00:46.010 --> 1:00:49.340 With like making people think they need to get gold 1:00:49.720 --> 1:00:51.240 because the dollar is going to collapse. 1:00:51.340 --> 1:00:51.820 Absolutely. 1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:54.910 Get all these water filters because you're poisoning yourself with 1:00:54.950 --> 1:00:56.270 the water and the fluoride. 1:00:56.330 --> 1:00:56.530 Yeah. 1:00:56.810 --> 1:01:01.140 There's probably a great deal of people who have been harmed. 1:01:01.360 --> 1:01:05.120 Their children, uh, had to live with the consequences of that. 1:01:05.420 --> 1:01:08.919 And so it's not that there is no victim, but 1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:13.360 it's societally somewhat more manageable than the harm that the 1:01:13.380 --> 1:01:14.400 Trump scam does. 1:01:14.500 --> 1:01:17.840 There's a, there's a lot more, uh, uh, uh, uh, 1:01:20.930 --> 1:01:21.390 What is it? 1:01:22.210 --> 1:01:23.070 Shrapnel damage. 1:01:23.370 --> 1:01:23.550 Yeah. 1:01:23.570 --> 1:01:25.050 There's a lot more shrapnel damage. 1:01:25.110 --> 1:01:28.550 And sometimes if you grow up and maybe your parents 1:01:29.270 --> 1:01:34.730 came to some of these brain tendencies, maybe you grow 1:01:34.810 --> 1:01:36.250 up and you write an amazing novel. 1:01:36.270 --> 1:01:37.090 It's always possible. 1:01:37.150 --> 1:01:37.370 Right? 1:01:37.570 --> 1:01:38.470 It's always possible. 1:01:38.510 --> 1:01:42.530 Some people can get out. They can escape the consequences 1:01:42.570 --> 1:01:45.380 and the shrapnel that you're talking about. But with Trump, 1:01:45.680 --> 1:01:48.700 it's far, far less escapable. 1:01:48.800 --> 1:01:48.860 No. 1:01:49.080 --> 1:01:53.060 No good. So anyway, it's funny that his filters don't 1:01:53.100 --> 1:01:55.660 take out fluoride when that's the biggest sales pitch that 1:01:55.680 --> 1:01:57.580 he makes constantly. 1:01:57.640 --> 1:01:58.660 It's so infuriating. 1:01:58.800 --> 1:02:01.490 And I think the difference that you see here is 1:02:01.550 --> 1:02:04.370 that she knows she would probably get fired and or 1:02:04.410 --> 1:02:08.370 sued if she makes false claims about these filters. Whereas 1:02:08.490 --> 1:02:10.450 Alex can do whatever the fuck he wants. 1:02:10.710 --> 1:02:12.070 Is that what you're saying? Is that what's true? 1:02:12.110 --> 1:02:12.490 Don't care. 1:02:12.790 --> 1:02:15.990 I know you're the literal representative. You are the mouthpiece 1:02:16.030 --> 1:02:18.330 of the company telling me that I am lying to 1:02:18.370 --> 1:02:18.890 these people. 1:02:18.930 --> 1:02:20.870 So in the moment, we're not going to say that 1:02:20.910 --> 1:02:22.689 it takes out fluoride. And I'm going to start talking 1:02:22.730 --> 1:02:24.210 about how this was invented in England. 1:02:24.250 --> 1:02:24.690 Brilliant. 1:02:24.850 --> 1:02:26.070 And limestone and whatever. 1:02:26.090 --> 1:02:26.170 But. 1:02:27.390 --> 1:02:28.290 Later when you're gone. 1:02:28.290 --> 1:02:29.410 30 seconds after you're gone. 1:02:29.470 --> 1:02:30.150 I'm going to go back. 1:02:30.910 --> 1:02:32.010 It gets rid of all the fluoride. 1:02:32.330 --> 1:02:34.190 Even if they ask me about it, I'll say that 1:02:34.230 --> 1:02:37.450 you're not allowed to quote unquote wink, wink, wink, say it. 1:02:37.650 --> 1:02:37.890 Right. 1:02:37.970 --> 1:02:38.310 Yeah. 1:02:38.610 --> 1:02:42.670 So we have one last clip here. And it's mostly 1:02:42.710 --> 1:02:46.490 because Alex is very just obsessed with the traffic and 1:02:46.510 --> 1:02:47.850 the Charlie Sheen of it all. 1:02:48.050 --> 1:02:48.330 Yeah. 1:02:48.790 --> 1:02:52.750 And he's a little bit mad at Drudge because Drudge 1:02:52.790 --> 1:02:53.890 isn't promoting this enough. 1:02:53.910 --> 1:02:54.650 Oh, motherfuckers. 1:02:54.690 --> 1:03:01.080 The Charlie Sheen story. Got tens? That's not true. I 1:03:01.120 --> 1:03:05.840 was told 8 million page views yesterday on the two 1:03:05.900 --> 1:03:09.240 sites together in the aggregate. And I would imagine now, 1:03:09.280 --> 1:03:11.400 that's how my brain works, that since I checked that 1:03:11.420 --> 1:03:13.210 this morning, a couple more million have come in, but 1:03:13.230 --> 1:03:15.510 it's slowed down to, what did they say, a few 1:03:15.530 --> 1:03:19.790 hundred thousand for each website that has it posted every hour. 1:03:19.850 --> 1:03:21.730 So I guess it's getting up close to 9 million 1:03:21.750 --> 1:03:24.230 or something. But again, I haven't checked. 8 million page views. 1:03:25.970 --> 1:03:28.880 And And, of course, most of that is because Drudge 1:03:28.920 --> 1:03:30.560 linked to it for four hours. Most of that came 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:33.540 in in four hours. And that site just gets, I forget, 1:03:33.580 --> 1:03:35.510 what is it, like 20 million visitors a day? I mean, 1:03:35.550 --> 1:03:39.890 it's just ridiculous. It's ridiculous how much that site gets 1:03:40.510 --> 1:03:42.070 because there's not many stories on it, and it gets 1:03:42.110 --> 1:03:44.970 such huge traffic. And so your story's up there, and, like, 1:03:45.090 --> 1:03:48.300 all these other newshounds and all these other people that 1:03:48.320 --> 1:03:50.300 are too lazy to check their inboxes, that's where the 1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:51.940 really good news is that listeners send you from all over. 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:53.680 The real good news. You know, they go up to 1:03:53.720 --> 1:03:56.720 Drudge every day. And he posts it up there and 1:03:56.740 --> 1:03:58.740 then jerks it out for four hours and then doesn't 1:03:58.760 --> 1:04:02.330 put it in his archive. He never, he never does that. 1:04:03.130 --> 1:04:07.690 So email Drudge and say, Drudge, why didn't you post 1:04:07.730 --> 1:04:10.510 that story? Why aren't you covering it? Why aren't you 1:04:10.550 --> 1:04:13.040 reporting on it? Call the Associated Press. I talked to 1:04:13.060 --> 1:04:15.180 AP reporters who were, yeah, this is big. We're going 1:04:15.200 --> 1:04:17.040 to get this out. And you call them back. Oh, 1:04:17.060 --> 1:04:20.620 we're not running it now. Well, just upstairs said no. 1:04:21.220 --> 1:04:23.490 I don't know if what Alex is saying about Drudge 1:04:23.530 --> 1:04:25.650 is true, but we'll just take it as. 1:04:25.690 --> 1:04:26.390 Fine. 1:04:26.490 --> 1:04:29.090 I'll stipulate that he's... It's 20 years ago. I think 1:04:29.130 --> 1:04:32.410 it's entirely possible that Charlie Sheen's management and PR people 1:04:32.570 --> 1:04:36.050 were able to soften the coverage of his InfoWars interview. 1:04:36.130 --> 1:04:36.270 Yeah. 1:04:36.690 --> 1:04:40.780 The whole Dixie Chicks thing happened in 2003, and in 2006, 1:04:40.780 --> 1:04:43.700 Charlie is on one of the highest rated sitcoms on TV, 1:04:43.900 --> 1:04:47.040 so his team would probably be very interested in him 1:04:47.120 --> 1:04:50.260 not being the target of that kind of attention during 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:54.760 a war... Where people will turn on you like they 1:04:54.780 --> 1:04:55.280 did the chicks. 1:04:55.360 --> 1:04:58.110 You don't know what could happen. You just don't know. 1:04:58.200 --> 1:04:59.410 People are crazy. 1:04:59.810 --> 1:05:01.890 I also think that this would be an easy sell 1:05:01.950 --> 1:05:04.770 for a PR team because it's not really that good 1:05:04.810 --> 1:05:08.110 of a story. For most people, Charlie Sheen is already 1:05:08.150 --> 1:05:10.570 a figure that they kind of think is crazy. So 1:05:10.650 --> 1:05:13.710 if he says something crazy, that isn't exciting. Like his 1:05:13.790 --> 1:05:16.920 character is based on him kind of being crazy. 1:05:17.060 --> 1:05:17.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:05:17.680 --> 1:05:19.400 Like this is who he is. 1:05:19.480 --> 1:05:19.640 Yeah. 1:05:20.190 --> 1:05:23.810 If you want a tabloid gossip magazine selling headline, you 1:05:23.850 --> 1:05:27.050 need someone who has a squeaky clean image saying something crazy. 1:05:27.350 --> 1:05:30.890 Like if Kelly Clarkson came out in question 9-11, then 1:05:30.970 --> 1:05:33.890 maybe we're talking about sub, like people are going to 1:05:33.930 --> 1:05:34.710 talk about it. 1:05:34.910 --> 1:05:37.930 That actually was the subplot to From Justin to Kelly. 1:05:38.030 --> 1:05:43.190 No, Guarini pilled her. Guarini red pilled her on QAnon. 1:05:43.470 --> 1:05:47.780 So the From Justin to Kelly was the bullshit into 1:05:47.820 --> 1:05:48.560 Kelly's brain. 1:05:48.720 --> 1:05:49.080 Okay. 1:05:49.300 --> 1:05:49.640 All right. 1:05:50.260 --> 1:05:50.640 All right. 1:05:51.360 --> 1:05:55.400 I've seen that movie five times. 1:05:56.540 --> 1:05:57.260 I know you have. 1:05:57.540 --> 1:05:59.340 It came out when I worked at a movie theater. 1:05:59.360 --> 1:06:02.240 But anyway, for Charlie Sheed, the only thing that's going 1:06:02.260 --> 1:06:05.870 to get the tabloids interested in is something that involves 1:06:05.910 --> 1:06:09.510 his own self-destruction, as we end up seeing five years later. 1:06:09.570 --> 1:06:09.750 Right. 1:06:10.180 --> 1:06:13.610 Him doing an interview with Alex is a gigantic career-defining 1:06:13.640 --> 1:06:17.050 moment for Alex, but it's a blip in other media. 1:06:17.150 --> 1:06:20.910 No one really cares. No. Because Charlie's a known commodity. 1:06:21.450 --> 1:06:22.850 It's not that interesting. 1:06:22.950 --> 1:06:23.210 Yeah. 1:06:23.530 --> 1:06:29.290 Who cares? His PR people can push back against any 1:06:29.390 --> 1:06:32.570 momentum that Alex is even pushing that would get him 1:06:32.630 --> 1:06:33.830 the Dixie Chicks treatment. 1:06:33.910 --> 1:06:34.310 Yeah. 1:06:34.570 --> 1:06:38.290 So I think he's up against his own. 1:06:40.150 --> 1:06:45.820 Like, it's a Sisyphean task trying to get publicity for this. 1:06:46.080 --> 1:06:50.540 I think I'm trapped in a thought. And I don't know... All. 1:06:52.800 --> 1:06:52.960 Right. 1:06:53.720 --> 1:06:58.280 When Alex says, call the Associated Press, do you believe 1:06:58.360 --> 1:07:00.660 that in Alex's mind he is telling. 1:07:00.340 --> 1:07:01.360 People to call AP? 1:07:02.950 --> 1:07:04.730 Or do you believe he is telling people to call 1:07:05.490 --> 1:07:07.970 all reporters across the world? 1:07:08.270 --> 1:07:10.590 I think he thinks of it like calling the Rangers. 1:07:10.690 --> 1:07:11.570 Right? Is that? 1:07:11.650 --> 1:07:11.890 Yeah. 1:07:11.910 --> 1:07:15.950 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not like, go talk to the Associated Press. 1:07:16.090 --> 1:07:16.270 No. 1:07:16.990 --> 1:07:20.950 Go talk to the Associated Press members! That kind of thing, right? 1:07:21.290 --> 1:07:24.490 Yeah, go out into the street with a lantern and 1:07:24.510 --> 1:07:27.390 a bell. Yep, yep, yep, yep. 1:07:27.660 --> 1:07:28.110 It's, um. 1:07:29.560 --> 1:07:34.130 I feel two things very strongly. The first is that 1:07:34.350 --> 1:07:38.990 Alex is clearly so desperately attached to numbers. 1:07:39.030 --> 1:07:39.370 Yeah. 1:07:39.790 --> 1:07:42.250 Like, you know, you were saying earlier, oh, this is 1:07:42.290 --> 1:07:44.170 someone who's going to have a problem with social media. 1:07:44.210 --> 1:07:44.470 Yep. 1:07:44.770 --> 1:07:46.870 The way he's talking about the millions of pages. 1:07:46.890 --> 1:07:48.570 Eight million aggregate by two sites. 1:07:48.650 --> 1:07:52.550 And I assume, based on checking it earlier, like, that's 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:56.000 somebody whose brain is going to be fucked by the 1:07:56.280 --> 1:07:58.920 attention and the numbers of social media. 1:07:58.980 --> 1:07:59.120 Yeah. 1:07:59.140 --> 1:07:59.240 Yeah. 1:07:59.760 --> 1:08:01.620 And then the other thing that you just see is, like, 1:08:01.900 --> 1:08:04.260 it's pretty obvious this didn't go as well as he 1:08:04.300 --> 1:08:04.919 wanted it to. 1:08:05.060 --> 1:08:05.220 Yep. 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:09.150 He expected something bigger, and because it has not made 1:08:09.190 --> 1:08:12.350 the splash that he needs it to, the story has 1:08:12.390 --> 1:08:14.070 to become that he's being silenced. 1:08:14.250 --> 1:08:14.410 Yep. 1:08:14.530 --> 1:08:18.270 And everyone's covering up this story of the biggest story 1:08:18.310 --> 1:08:20.099 in the world where Charlie Sheen talked to me. 1:08:20.220 --> 1:08:20.500 Yeah. 1:08:21.420 --> 1:08:21.900 That sucks. 1:08:22.380 --> 1:08:26.150 Yeah, it is such a, like, you can tell.... 1:08:27.310 --> 1:08:30.940 That it's the opposite direction. For me, it's like, I 1:08:31.240 --> 1:08:33.839 wouldn't care. I would be like, hey, is this interview 1:08:33.880 --> 1:08:34.500 good or bad? 1:08:35.040 --> 1:08:35.260 Right? 1:08:35.360 --> 1:08:36.860 I don't care if a lot of people saw it. 1:08:36.960 --> 1:08:39.099 And if it was bad and a lot of people 1:08:39.120 --> 1:08:41.150 saw it, that's worse to me than not doing it. 1:08:41.670 --> 1:08:41.810 Right? 1:08:42.110 --> 1:08:44.950 But for him, it's just, what numbers does it get? 1:08:45.689 --> 1:08:49.340 The interview can have good or negative quality. 1:08:49.360 --> 1:08:50.040 It doesn't matter. 1:08:50.660 --> 1:08:52.939 Yeah, it's a vehicle for the attention. 1:08:52.960 --> 1:08:53.700 Right, exactly. 1:08:54.360 --> 1:08:57.130 And, you know, if I'm being perfectly honest, it was 1:08:57.210 --> 1:08:59.950 neither good nor bad. It just was a fine picture. 1:09:00.060 --> 1:09:01.320 A promotional interview, yeah. 1:09:01.360 --> 1:09:04.860 Yeah, and I think that, like, if I had my druthers. 1:09:05.200 --> 1:09:06.379 Yeah, your druthers. 1:09:06.840 --> 1:09:09.540 I would love for the Associated Press to report that 1:09:09.700 --> 1:09:11.460 Alex was promoting two and a half men. 1:09:11.620 --> 1:09:11.900 Yeah. 1:09:12.100 --> 1:09:13.660 That, I think, would be funny. 1:09:13.740 --> 1:09:14.439 That would be funny. 1:09:14.460 --> 1:09:17.800 Because that would really harm his reputation as somebody who's like, 1:09:18.310 --> 1:09:21.410 I'm this mad preacher out in the wilderness. I believe 1:09:21.450 --> 1:09:24.420 in the Constitution. You're shilling for CBS, asshole. 1:09:24.560 --> 1:09:27.519 Alex stops telling truth for a second to ask you 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:28.719 to watch Two and a Half Men. 1:09:28.760 --> 1:09:32.720 To ingratiate himself with celebrity guests. Yeah, that would be 1:09:32.780 --> 1:09:34.019 funny if that was the headline. 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:36.160 Alex finally lies. Says Two and a Half Men is funny. 1:09:38.120 --> 1:09:41.170 That's not fair. I'm sure there are some good episodes. 1:09:42.620 --> 1:09:45.150 You have to take it on a season by season basis. 1:09:45.200 --> 1:09:46.150 No, you're right. You're right. 1:09:46.189 --> 1:09:46.969 You have to judge the totality. 1:09:47.030 --> 1:09:49.080 You can't judge individual episodes of Two and a Half Men. 1:09:49.090 --> 1:09:49.470 You're right. 1:09:49.630 --> 1:09:52.290 Now that we have reached the end of, we haven't, 1:09:52.330 --> 1:09:54.429 have we? They're probably doing a new one right now. 1:09:54.890 --> 1:09:55.550 I don't know. Yeah. 1:09:55.850 --> 1:09:59.440 So the other thing that I think that this brings 1:09:59.490 --> 1:10:02.720 into focus is like, there's a weird thing in Alex's 1:10:02.780 --> 1:10:07.259 career that has been desperately hijacking other things. 1:10:07.320 --> 1:10:07.460 Yeah. 1:10:08.300 --> 1:10:10.920 And you can feel it in this like drudge. I 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:13.480 got all of this traffic from drudge. Then drudge took 1:10:13.520 --> 1:10:17.250 the article down. He really needs drudge to drive traffic 1:10:17.270 --> 1:10:17.430 to it. 1:10:17.430 --> 1:10:17.610 Yep. 1:10:17.750 --> 1:10:17.910 Yep. 1:10:18.250 --> 1:10:22.050 And then later it becomes YouTube and then it becomes Twitter. 1:10:22.970 --> 1:10:27.500 And you know, as we get closer to a hypothetical, 1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:29.559 like his shit's going to get shut down. Uh, he, 1:10:31.880 --> 1:10:35.910 He's not going to have anything to... There's nothing. 1:10:36.170 --> 1:10:37.710 No, he's not going to be able to piggyback or 1:10:37.729 --> 1:10:39.269 parasite his way onto anything. 1:10:39.310 --> 1:10:43.070 Well, no, but the thing that he needs to suck 1:10:43.130 --> 1:10:44.970 life to is going to be gone. 1:10:45.010 --> 1:10:45.790 Right, right, right, right. 1:10:45.950 --> 1:10:48.150 Like, he's just going to be a guy who has 1:10:48.189 --> 1:10:48.890 a Twitter account. 1:10:48.990 --> 1:10:49.170 Yep. 1:10:49.729 --> 1:10:52.210 And that's weird. 1:10:52.830 --> 1:10:54.570 I mean, it makes sense why he's drinking again. 1:10:55.330 --> 1:11:01.349 I think he probably has been. I think that he's 1:11:01.490 --> 1:11:05.680 always existed as a guy who has a need to 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:10.120 draw attention to at least the thing he has created himself. 1:11:10.640 --> 1:11:15.360 He has had Infowars.com and Prison Planet and the documentaries. 1:11:16.060 --> 1:11:20.240 He's had his landing thing that you send the little 1:11:21.360 --> 1:11:25.479 ships out to drive traffic back to. And that's going 1:11:25.500 --> 1:11:26.019 to be gone. 1:11:26.180 --> 1:11:26.460 Yeah. 1:11:26.740 --> 1:11:29.220 He's only going to exist as the parasitic thing. 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:31.679 He's going to be a free-floating brain parasite. 1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:32.080 Yeah. 1:11:32.160 --> 1:11:35.519 God forbid any of it. Like a fucking brain slug 1:11:35.560 --> 1:11:36.439 in Futurama. 1:11:36.470 --> 1:11:39.200 Let him fall on the floor and he'll starve to death. 1:11:39.390 --> 1:11:42.990 I guess on some level that's interesting. To see what 1:11:43.050 --> 1:11:43.849 that will look like. 1:11:43.870 --> 1:11:44.150 Yeah. 1:11:44.610 --> 1:11:47.970 When the actual mothership is no longer really important. 1:11:48.229 --> 1:11:49.370 Yeah. 1:11:49.870 --> 1:11:52.530 But I don't know if it's that interesting. 1:11:52.750 --> 1:11:57.360 That's the thing is that it's... It is an inflection 1:11:57.420 --> 1:12:01.439 point and one that should cause a crisis that someone 1:12:01.479 --> 1:12:02.179 should either be. 1:12:02.100 --> 1:12:04.019 Destroyed by or should grow through. 1:12:05.140 --> 1:12:07.640 It bothers me with Alex is that it seems like 1:12:07.680 --> 1:12:10.950 he is facing all of the crises in his entire 1:12:10.990 --> 1:12:12.229 career and has never been. 1:12:12.110 --> 1:12:13.970 Destroyed nor grown through them. 1:12:14.570 --> 1:12:14.830 No. 1:12:14.910 --> 1:12:18.050 They just wrap around him and become our problem. 1:12:18.650 --> 1:12:21.390 I mean, on some level, that's why there's so many 1:12:21.410 --> 1:12:22.410 episodes of this podcast. 1:12:22.450 --> 1:12:23.070 Yeah, that's fair. 1:12:23.910 --> 1:12:27.950 It's a remarkable thing that no one else seems to 1:12:28.010 --> 1:12:29.169 have lived through. 1:12:29.229 --> 1:12:30.710 I mean, yeah, that's definitely true. 1:12:31.270 --> 1:12:33.560 And because we're recording this in advance, he might have 1:12:33.580 --> 1:12:35.200 gone out of business by the time this comes out. 1:12:35.240 --> 1:12:36.160 Who fucking knows? 1:12:36.180 --> 1:12:36.900 Who fucking knows? 1:12:37.580 --> 1:12:44.080 And if it has, sorry, we don't know. But yeah, 1:12:44.140 --> 1:12:45.639 we'll see if he ever gets around to that V 1:12:45.660 --> 1:12:48.600 for Vendetta review. I'm really itching for it. If only. 1:12:49.780 --> 1:12:52.269 Hopefully it'll come next time. But until then. 1:12:52.890 --> 1:12:53.270 We have a website. 1:12:53.470 --> 1:12:54.010 Indeed we do. 1:12:54.070 --> 1:12:55.169 It's knowledgefight.com. 1:12:55.250 --> 1:12:58.710 Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. 1:12:58.729 --> 1:13:01.150 I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor. 1:13:01.650 --> 1:13:01.929 Woo! 1:13:01.970 --> 1:13:02.430 Yeah! 1:13:02.490 --> 1:13:04.349 Woo! Yeah! Woo! 1:13:04.510 --> 1:13:06.570 And now here comes the sex robots. 1:13:06.910 --> 1:13:08.759 Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. 1:13:08.770 --> 1:13:12.340 Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. 1:13:12.380 --> 1:13:13.179 I'm a huge fan. 1:13:13.240 --> 1:13:13.979 I love your work. 1:13:14.140 --> 1:13:14.429 I love you.