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Speaker 2: There's two things in the NBA kind of roll why

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Speaker 2: eyes at Everybody talks about how mobility works. No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It worked for Lebron. It worked for Lebron when he

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Speaker 2: went to Miami, he got two titles. It worked from

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Speaker 2: in Cleveland he got a title, and it worked in

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Speaker 2: Love who joined Lebron, and Chris Bosh who joined Lebron

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Speaker 2: in Miami, and Anthony Davis who joined Lebron in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: Mobility is and how you build championships. That's not how

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Speaker 2: it works. It worked for Lebron in three places, Okay,

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Speaker 2: going to Miami, coming back to Cleveland, going to Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't worked for Kevin Durant other than one time

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Speaker 2: he goes to the Warriors. Since then, Brooklyn didn't work

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Speaker 2: Phoenix bit disappointing. So the mobility thing, you know, that's

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Speaker 2: not winning titles. San Antonio mostly had a core group.

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Speaker 2: Golden State they won before KD. They won a title

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Speaker 2: after KD. You know, Boston gets Drew Holliday, but that

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Speaker 2: team for years was built around Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum,

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Speaker 2: and Marcus Smart. Now I like the upgrade Drew Holiday,

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Speaker 2: but their two core guys are Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum.

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Speaker 2: So I think, you know, mobility is something we talk

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Speaker 2: of you know, people talked about small ball. It worked

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Speaker 2: for the Warriors because they had the three best shooting players,

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Speaker 2: the best shooting backcourt tantem ever, Jerry West scale good

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Speaker 2: backcourt ever, and then supplanted by Klay Thompson and Steph Curry,

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Speaker 2: and then they had Kevin Durant. Yeah, they had the

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Speaker 2: three best shooters of all time playing together, and they

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Speaker 2: went and got bogd at one point, they got Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 2: They weren't that small. There were small ball lineups that

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Speaker 2: worked for them, but it doesn't work now they're pivoting

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Speaker 2: off it by getting you know, Looney, Trayvon Looney has size,

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Speaker 2: Sarich has size, Cominga's long, Jackson Davis is long. He's

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Speaker 2: kind of a forward center sixt nine six nine and

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Speaker 2: a half. So they're just they're not. They just more

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Speaker 2: formidable in the front court than before. So small ball

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Speaker 2: worked because really the Warriors had unique players, a wing

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Speaker 2: in Draymon who can defend Biggs, and Stephan Clay the

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Speaker 2: best shooting back court ever. That's your small ball. People

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Speaker 2: try to duplicate it. It didn't equal titles and mobility

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Speaker 2: think the Warriors are really dangerous. I really do. I

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Speaker 2: think they've won seven straight road games. They have a

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Speaker 2: nice mix of young and old, and they have one

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Speaker 2: of the highest IQ. They have probably the smartest team

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Speaker 2: in the league right now. Between Chris Paul, Steph Curry,

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Speaker 2: I think the Warriors are going to be a real team.

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Speaker 2: The other thing about the three point shot, which I

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Speaker 2: and you know, these are these are long you play.

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Speaker 2: The averages analytics are averages over the course of time.

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Speaker 2: basketball becomes very situational. It becomes very much about get

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Speaker 2: unique generationally gifted players for the Warriors that other teams

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Speaker 2: rosters couldn't duplicate. I think the NFL combine this week,

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Speaker 2: measurables and the performance. What it really is is a

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Speaker 2: chance for general managers and personnel people in the NFL

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Speaker 2: Justin Fields. I don't think he's going to be a

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Speaker 2: as kirk Cousins right now is a more efficient quarterback

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Speaker 2: most reliable quarterback in the division. That's not a good

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Speaker 2: place for him. I think it's a much better place

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Speaker 2: and I've seen Aaron a couple times up close. He

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Speaker 2: doesn't look thick. He weighs two hundred and twenty five pounds.

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Speaker 2: I'm the same height and I weigh onon ninety five.

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Speaker 2: You would view me as slender. If you looked at Aaron,

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Speaker 2: he is taller than Aaron Rodgers by an inch and

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Speaker 4: so they've had the same culture in terms of management

427
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Speaker 4: since Ron Wolf showed up in the early nineties. So

428
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Speaker 4: the way they look at players, they've always been obsessed

429
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Speaker 4: with high weight speed. I don't think it has to

430
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 4: do as much with like pinchion pennies and not being

431
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 4: able to like, you know, you're the Rays, they're the Yankee,

432
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 4: so you have to outthink them. I just think that

433
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 4: they've taught and streamlined it from generation to generation very

434
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Speaker 4: very well.

435
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Speaker 1: They have a.

436
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 4: Like a company culture there that I think has transcended

437
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 4: general managers from ron Wolf to Ted Thompson to now Gutikins,

438
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 4: and I think they've been pretty consistent. Back to what

439
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 4: you're saying with the draft of like they all know

440
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 4: what they're looking for because they've been looking for the

441
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 4: same thing now for thirty years. Helps a lot when

442
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 4: you have a quarterback, right, they have a quarterback and

443
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: they know how to surround the guy, and they've always

444
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 4: done an incredible job of surrounding the guy on offense.

445
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 4: I think the Ravens are a pretty good example of

446
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 4: how they transitioned from Ossie to Da Costa because Da

447
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 4: Costa was his right hand man forever. So it's like

448
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 4: point when you have the cohesion, Like why are the

449
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 4: Chiefs so strong right now? Because Andy has Spags who's

450
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 4: never leaving, I mean, and who has been goes back

451
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 4: for twenty years beating Belichick and Brady.

452
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Speaker 1: It's very unique to have that.

453
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 4: Kyle or McVeigh get a good coordinator, boom, the guy's gone.

454
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 4: They can't hold on to their defensive coordinator. So I

455
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 4: think having the cohesion the Packers is a great place

456
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: to work.

457
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Speaker 1: I remember when we were there.

458
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Speaker 4: When I worked in the league, everyone was always kind

459
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Speaker 4: of envious of like because it was like this chill vibe,

460
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 4: but they were winning big and it was just through

461
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 4: the Green Bay Packers. There was like the pressure we

462
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Speaker 4: had in Philadelphia, felt it every day when you went

463
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Speaker 4: in the building. They definitely don't have that. Yeah, I

464
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 4: think the Chiefs really have that going on right now,

465
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 4: but a lot has to do with winning. I just

466
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 4: think it's it's a very unique organization. But I do

467
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 4: think it gets back to the streamline vision from generation

468
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: to generation, and they've all crossed, you know, like John

469
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 4: Schneider hires Mike McDonald know each other.

470
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Speaker 1: They're hoping this.

471
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Speaker 4: Chemistry works because he's good coach with the Ravens, and

472
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Speaker 4: you know he knows. But it's like you're kind of

473
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 4: keeping your fingers crossed. You look at Harball goes to

474
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 4: the Chargers. Who do they hire as his general manager?

475
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: A guy he knows, A guy he's comfortable with from Baltimore.

476
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 4: So you're like, yeah, it's probably gonna work out. He

477
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 4: knows John there. It's all in the family that matters.

478
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 4: Like Shanahan's had a lot of success with people he knows.

479
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 4: He's worked with Robert solid he coached Tamiko Ryans, Brian

480
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: Greasy he worked with when he was young in Tampa's

481
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 4: dad knows him. We're all comfortable with people we know, right,

482
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Speaker 4: who do you hire the volume like to run your

483
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 4: management people that you're comfortable people with. You know, it

484
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 4: helps now they have to be talented, but like when

485
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 4: you're all on the same page, it's a lot easier

486
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Speaker 4: to operate. And I think for thirty plus years the

487
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 4: Packers have just had a lot of cohesion, not a

488
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 4: lot of people leave their coaches, do you know, but

489
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 4: there their scouts. I don't know if they pay top

490
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 4: notch relative to the NFL executives, but I sure know

491
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Speaker 4: when they're winning, things are having success, people like working there.

492
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can also buy a hell of a house

493
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: in Milwaukee, live like a king a four hundred ninety

494
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: thousand dollars.

495
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Speaker 1: You know.

496
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Speaker 2: It's it's just it was when I saw the list,

497
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: it was like, God, Green Bay knows what they're doing,

498
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: and to your point, quarterbacks kind of make it all work,

499
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: you can. I mean, listen, Brett Veach in Kansas City's

500
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: had some misses. You forget sky Moore, you forget him

501
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 2: really quickly. Malmes makes you forget shit really quickly.

502
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Speaker 4: Well, it's like someone told me with the Jets a

503
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 4: couple of years ago. They're like they had all those

504
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 4: picks in the top whatever. The first couple of rounds

505
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 4: for two straight years, could we could go seven of eight?

506
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 4: They all could be pro bowlers. If Zach's a whiff,

507
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 4: were in trouble, we'd go one of eight. If zach'sa

508
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 4: hit contract extensions, Well what happened? They went seven eight?

509
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 4: Maybe not seven eight, but five or six of eight

510
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 4: and Zach's the problem and they got issues that quarterback.

511
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 4: I mean, if Jordan Love and we're all gonna pencil

512
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 4: him in, I do think there's a difference of kind

513
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 4: of They got to fly unto the radar a little bit.

514
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Speaker 1: This year.

515
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Speaker 4: They started slow and they came on. Everyone next year

516
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 4: is going to be looking at them like double digit

517
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 4: wins playoff team. It is a different pressure. So why

518
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 4: I give a lot of credit to the Lions. Everyone

519
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 4: took the Lions seriously this year coming in and they

520
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 4: handled it well like it's another Now Lafleur has success.

521
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 4: Now he's been a part of those type teams with Aaron,

522
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 4: so he's I feel comfortable with it. But sustaining high

523
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 4: level play year in year out, that's hard. So you

524
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 4: know there's going to be a lot of tangible pressure

525
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 4: on Jordan Love next year.

526
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Speaker 2: I've always kind of measured how often I talk football.

527
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Speaker 2: I don't work at the NFL network, nor do I

528
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: want to.

529
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Speaker 1: I like the NBA.

530
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 2: I like, you know, an October September baseball series. I

531
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: like the World Cup, a good UFC fight, I like

532
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: March Madness. I could never just talk football, and I've

533
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: always kept the number around sixty five percent of the show.

534
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: But I was talking to a TV exec. I had

535
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: a meeting about ten twelve days ago with a really

536
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: smart guy, and we were talking about the Big Ten

537
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: and he said, those ratings going to go up fifteen

538
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: to twenty percent. And I had given college football about

539
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: an eight year break a hiatus on my show because

540
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: it got very regional and very southern. And I'm not

541
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: anti SEC, but if it was all it.

542
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 4: Was Alabama, Georgia every in Clemson every year for seven

543
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 4: straight years.

544
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it just like listen, once baseball became

545
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: very local. Nobody in Minnesota is going to watch the Mariners.

546
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: Nobody in Seattle gives a rip about Tampa Bay. You

547
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: had a Seahawk fan would watch the Buccaneers in Baker

548
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 2: Mayfield play. So once baseball about ten twelve years ago,

549
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: I felt it really got local. I just didn't talk

550
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: about it. College basketball is a turnstile now between the

551
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: transfer portal one and done. You can't name the starters

552
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: on Duke, but it is sort of interesting. I was

553
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: talking to this executive about the growth of college football.

554
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: He goes, you're not going to believe the numbers are

555
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: going to explode. And he started talking about the Big

556
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: Ten schedule and he's like, you're going to get Washington

557
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: Oregon or Washington, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State USC

558
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: You're going to have three and four games in a

559
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: row all day. And it did make me think as

560
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: I was off this week, and I you know, I

561
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: kind of shut it down. When I'm off, I don't

562
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: watch sports. I just leave and there was nothing going

563
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: on anyway. I'm watching the Warriors Nuggets today. But the

564
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: biggest story in baseball last week as the season starts, uniforms,

565
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: you know, they're kind of sheer see through. Biggest story

566
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: in the NBA was how bad the All Star Game was.

567
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: The biggest story in college basketball was storming the court. Yet,

568
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: the NFL is the sport we talk about because we

569
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: watch the games. Listen, if you're a fan, listen to

570
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: what we talk about. When people, sportscasters, podcasters talk football,

571
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: we actually talk about strategy in the games that the NFL.

572
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: With the growth of college football, which by the way,

573
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: between the Draft and the combine, they really started to

574
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: go hand in hand. College basketball in the NBA are

575
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: the Grand Canyon. They have nothing in common. Most of

576
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: the great players don't even want to play in college basketball,

577
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: college baseball, but major League baseball, college hockey they don't connect.

578
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: You know, college soccer and the MLS they don't connect.

579
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: College football connects with the NFL more and more. And

580
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: I was sitting there this week watching people talk about sports,

581
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: and I thought, am I going to do an eighty

582
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: percent football show based on the audience. As I've said,

583
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: the audience drives the show what they want. I follow

584
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: ratings and I'm sitting there thinking, I don't want to

585
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: work at the NFL network. But John between legalized gambling,

586
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: people now stick through bad games. This massive, yeah, big

587
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: ten sec explosion where now the two conferences are going

588
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: to have all the games we watch, The ratings are

589
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: going to skyrocket the twelve team playoff. I was sitting

590
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: there this week and I thought, Jesus, you're talking about

591
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: see through pants in baseball? Is that amongst your friends

592
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 2: when you go golf, does anybody talk about anything other football?

593
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 4: The other thing that it comes up consistently? Even and

594
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: I know a couple of guys and play golf with

595
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: some former Major League baseball players. They talk football. I

596
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: mean the Bill's fan, a Packer fan. That's all they

597
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 4: want to talk about. And during the fall, I think

598
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 4: college football, like you said, think about next year Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Georgia, Texas, LSU,

599
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 4: the SEC and the Big Ten get it's gonna feel

600
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: like NFL light. I think the NFL, I've said this forever.

601
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's gonna last forever my entire life.

602
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: Like I'm almost forty, does that forty years dominating When

603
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: I was growing up. Baseball was huge the nineties with

604
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 4: the Yankees, basketball with Michael Jordan. But for the foreseeable future,

605
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 4: I don't.

606
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: See how that gap.

607
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Speaker 4: I mean the All Star Game, guys actively talk like

608
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 4: why would we even try to participate. Anthony Rendon, who's

609
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: making two hundred and forty five million dollars to that story,

610
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, baseball is not even a priority. It's like, well,

611
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: I think for two hundred and fifty million dollars, probably

612
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 4: probably don't want to say that, buddy. You know, it's like,

613
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 4: can you imagine an NFL play? I think the relatability

614
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: sometimes with you and I don't even blame these guys

615
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: cause you're getting two hundred fifty million dollars guaranteed.

616
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: Some of these.

617
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 4: Basketball players I played. I played golf last week during

618
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 4: the All Star break with a guy that calls NBA games,

619
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Speaker 4: and he was saying, one problem is, and he's on

620
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 4: a pretty high level team, but he just sees it

621
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: around the league is it's always like you have to

622
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 4: max everybody out. Well, you can't lose them. Well is

623
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: the guy a max player? Like we had the max zion?

624
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 4: Did you or I mean, did you have to? Cause

625
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: in the NFL you don't have to, and you would not.

626
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 4: And so everyone's making all this money. I don't care

627
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: who you are. If you're twenty five years old and

628
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 4: you're basically guaranteed to get an astronomical amount of money,

629
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Speaker 4: you're gonna be jaded in the way.

630
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Speaker 1: You think about everything. Yeah, we're in football.

631
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Speaker 4: It still has this old school meritocracy that if you

632
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 4: do not produce within two years. I've seen it forever.

633
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 4: It's why when I used to go to Niners camp

634
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 4: a lot like I'm not gonna make it too big

635
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 4: a deal about a third or fourth round pick, because

636
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 4: every year I've seen that fourth round pick. By the

637
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 4: time training camp ends, the undrafted free agents beating him

638
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: out and might even beat out the starter, and all

639
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 4: of a sudden, two undrafted free.

640
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Speaker 1: Agents are starting. Guys are coming from everywhere.

641
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Speaker 4: Every team. I don't care if you're a playoff team

642
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 4: or a shitty team, and they're it's kind of like

643
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 4: it relates to our life. You gotta produce whatever you do.

644
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 4: You either generate revenue, get your job done, or you

645
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 4: gotta get replaced. Where I think in basketball and baseball,

646
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: it's kind of like scholarship. Once you get paid, Like,

647
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 4: I can't what am I gonna do with you? Even

648
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: in football, you're gonna see so many names this week.

649
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 4: You're like, God, I thought that guy was under a

650
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 4: long term contract. You're like, yeah, we're thinking about cutting them.

651
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: If you won't take a pay cut, we'll thinking about

652
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 4: trading them. So basically every guy, I mean, we could

653
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: probably name thirty guys like untouchable in the NFL. A

654
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: lot of them are quarterbacks, and then a lot of

655
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 4: like high level Trent Williams, Travis Kelce, like those type guys.

656
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 4: But basically every other name you go half the Pro

657
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 4: Bowl roster, You're like, yeah, yeah, they could move on

658
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 4: from that guy. Yep, And I think basketball and baseball

659
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 4: used to have an element of that, and definitely their

660
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 4: guys were wired. Like working in like local television in

661
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: the Bay Area and meeting a lot of guys that

662
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: played in the eighties and nineties, they had that attitude

663
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 4: in baseball and basketball. I can be replaced, I could

664
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: be cut. They were very relatable individuals. It's why Charles

665
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 4: Barkley is like one of the biggest TV stars of

666
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 4: all time. He's relatable. I think it's much more difficult

667
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 4: for the modern guy in that sport to be relatable

668
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: because you're making one hundred million dollars guaranteed, whether you're

669
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 4: good or bad. No one has a problem when you're

670
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 4: good getting paid. But he's like, is this guy, even

671
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 4: Jordan Poole's making one hundred thirty million dollars, he's like

672
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 4: the worst player in the NBA.

673
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and I've talked to a handful of execs

674
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: and I've brought this up before. They laugh at the

675
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: NBA structure. They're like, what a joke they make fun

676
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: NFL guys. I remember having this conversation a couple of

677
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: years ago when the CTE thing came down, and a

678
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: lot of these Northeast media types who don't understand the

679
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: passion for football in the Midwest or college football. They're like,

680
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: it's the end of the NFL. Like you've been in

681
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: the Northeast way too long, where baseball still talk about

682
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: on sports radio a lot. I'm like, football's not going anywhere.

683
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: It's way too big to fail. There's way too much money,

684
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: and they've cleaned it up that nobody hits at practice

685
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: anymore once the season starts. By the way, you get

686
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl, usually the teams that get to

687
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl are missing maybe one starter, like everybody's

688
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: got the ye I mean, guys are healthy.

689
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 4: Miners and Chiefs were healthy.

690
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a you know, the Chiefs a few

691
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: years ago missing their tackles, and it was like, yeah,

692
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: that's what happens. But one of the things the structure

693
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: of the NFL is the structure of most of our lives.

694
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: You're tradeable, cuttable, fireable. And I never understand fans like

695
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: this is like we're fans. I look at fans that

696
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: I just think you guys are out in your mind

697
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: this idea.

698
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: I want my guy to get the bag. Fuck that.

699
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: I don't want many players to get the bag because

700
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: it limits my flexibility. I am always rooting for the

701
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: team to sign a reasonable contract, so it gives the

702
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: team flexibility. I mean, I like, Dak's got a three

703
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars net worth after his next contract. He's fine,

704
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: but you're not. You're not fine if you overpay players.

705
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: But it is interesting. The NFL is the only sport,

706
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: and I will say the MLS and hockey are the closest.

707
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: NBA and baseball are a mess that it's like you

708
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: just I turned.

709
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 4: To a former hockey guy that played fifteen years. I

710
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 4: didn't know who he was, but we started BS and

711
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: he was one of the most relatable individuals I had

712
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 4: to google after us.

713
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: God, this guy played.

714
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Speaker 4: They have a relatability to the way they talk and

715
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 4: the way they interact. They're actually I'm like, this guy

716
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 4: could have talked to anyone in here and could have

717
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 4: got along. It was very impressive.

718
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I met a guy at a bar in Naples

719
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: one time. NHL guy was a Bruin.

720
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know.

721
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm googled them same. But I also think they have

722
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: a very tight cap and stars get paid. Everybody else

723
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: makes a good living, not an insane living. And I'm

724
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: not anti I always said this, I'm not anti players

725
00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: making money. I'm not anti mobility. But in any business,

726
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: if you're paying B and C employees a money, you're

727
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: going to have a problem. And I do think and again,

728
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: I love NBA playoff basketball, I really do. It's one

729
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 2: of my favorite things. But I NFL guys they look

730
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: executives owners, they look at the NBA and baseball and

731
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: they just laugh at their structure.

732
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 4: Well, I think one power of the NFL, like you

733
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 4: said about a random fan will watch not his team

734
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 4: and know their players. I also think because the power listen,

735
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 4: we can argue over the franchise tag, whether it's fair

736
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 4: or not. It's one of the healthiest things for the

737
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 4: business by a mile, because when Kevin Durant or Aaron

738
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: Judge or Shoheo Tani when they hit free agency, there

739
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 4: is no mechanism to keep them, and in those leagues,

740
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: guys turn over a lot, which is not great for

741
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 4: the league. If I'm the Kansay Chiefs, I would imagine

742
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 4: bottom ten market in the NFL. If I want to

743
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 4: keep Patrick Mahomes his entire career, or the Packers with

744
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: Rogers afar I can until I choose to get rid

745
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 4: of them healthy for my organization, for the league. The

746
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 4: Chiefs were just in a Super Bowl and they're easily now.

747
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 4: I would say one of the most recognizable brands in

748
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 4: the NFL because of Patrick, and that's not really possible.

749
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 4: Like in the NBA, if the Nuggets make the NBA Finals,

750
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: it's not great. They would much rather have that Steph

751
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: Curry or Lebron in the NBA Finals. We're in the NFL.

752
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: It helps to have the Niners there, but if it

753
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: had been the Lions, maybe it's not one hundred and

754
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: twenty What is one hundred and fifteen million.

755
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: People still watch the entie. It doesn't impact.

756
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 4: And that's where I think the NFL has dwarfed everyone

757
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 4: that they're no longer dependent on markets the brands.

758
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that their brands.

759
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: Changed by the player, by the quarterback. Who you know,

760
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: if Josh Allen's healthy is going to be on the

761
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 4: bill for fifteen years and it's all.

762
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: You like that?

763
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: Well, we bring them on a couple of times a year.

764
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: Ian O'Connor four time New York Times bestseller, twenty time

765
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: first place winner National Writing Contest New York post. When

766
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: I have tried to do one on one with Aaron Rodgers,

767
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 2: I've said this on the air. I'm not a psychologist,

768
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: but he pushed back on his parents in religion, he

769
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: pushed back on authority in Green Bay. He has pushed

770
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: back on the vaccine. He's pushed back on media. He's

771
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: pushed back. He's a bit of a contrarian. That maybe

772
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: he is, you know, he's our modern day rebel. Is

773
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: that if you look at his personality, what he does

774
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 2: is constantly push back on conventional mandates, conventional wisdom, conventional authority.

775
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: That's my interpretation. He just pushes back on group think. Now,

776
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: sometimes group think is correct. I think people should have

777
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: taken the vaccine if they were older, right, kids, maybe

778
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: not as much. Is that a fair or reasonable interpretation

779
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: of what you're discovering? Is that you know, he's never married,

780
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: No kids, may not. You know, I don't know if

781
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: his pet situation. He's really an independent guy. He's wealthy,

782
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: good looking, older, he's got his worldview. It's a lot

783
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: like Joe Rogan's. They're both talented, but he basically just

784
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: pushes back an authority. Maybe one of the reasons he's

785
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: not married. He doesn't want to conform, and that's his personality,

786
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: that's his id.

787
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Speaker 1: Is that reasonable reasonable? He certainly pushes his back on

788
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: an awful lot of fronts, and I think growing up

789
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: in a very strict religious household is certainly part of it,

790
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: maybe the beginning of when you grow up in a

791
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: household like that, I think maybe naturally later on, and

792
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: he goes to Cow, this liberal global institution, people from

793
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: all over the world, and he's experiencing different cultures and

794
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: backgrounds and ethnicities and races, and you grew up into

795
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: town that was overwhelmingly white, and so I think you

796
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: start to see it maybe a cal cal Berkeley, and

797
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: I think he starts pushing back, maybe against the religious upbringing,

798
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: and that leads to other pushback. I think that's a

799
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: reasonable interpretation of the journey of his life and where

800
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: he is right now. And I think that's you know,

801
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: the one thing about him that I admire, even though

802
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: I don't agree with with everything he says, is he's

803
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: he is pretty fearless. He's not afraid to confront opposition

804
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: and to say unpopular things and to deal with the

805
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: consequences of those things. And I think that's an admirable trade.

806
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's doing it just for that reason,

807
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: just to push back. I do think he believes in

808
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: what he says. But I think that's a It's a

809
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: good read on the journey of Aaron Rodgers, and I

810
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: did ask him some quiescent, for instance, when he said

811
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: I'd been immunized, and then he got killed for that

812
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: later on, of course, when it came out that he

813
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: did not get the vaccine, and he explained why he

814
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: said what he said, and he was allergic to an

815
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: ingredient in Maderna and Pfizer and also concerned about the

816
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: side effects, the reported alleged side effects of the Johnson

817
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: and Johnson shot. Is, why didn't you just say that

818
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: in August of that year when you gave that press

819
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: conference instead of saying I've been immunized and sort of

820
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: misleading people. And I thought his answer to that, which

821
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: I'd like to save for the book, was very interesting,

822
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: And because if I were sitting there as a columnist,

823
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel Colin about vaccines and

824
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: I got vaccinated, but I put myself sort of in

825
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: the middle on it because I do think it was

826
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: not quite as effective as it was advertised, and I

827
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: got COVID twice, and so I said, if you gave

828
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,479
Speaker 1: that explanation about being allergic and also being concerned about

829
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: side effects, I actually I think that's a reasonable explanation.

830
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: I would have accepted it. Unlike Kyrie Irving, who could

831
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: not play because of the mandate of New York, you

832
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: could play with that position. And my biggest problem with

833
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving is what he was doing to his teammates

834
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: and particularly Kevin Durant, but also to middle and bottom

835
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: of the roster players whose careers were being affected and

836
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: could be elevated by winning a championship that they had

837
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: no chance of winning with him not playing. So Aaron

838
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: Rodgers didn't have to deal with that. He was eligible

839
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: to play with the position of not taking the vaccine.

840
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: But I think if I were sitting there as a

841
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: commist and he gave the explanation he gave months later,

842
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: I would have thought that was reasonable. Yeah.

843
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: I view you as a storyteller. I think you're a

844
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: great American sports storyteller, and that's what I value. Yeah,

845
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: I mean your books. I've read them all and I

846
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: can't wait for this. Aaron Rodgers that's a really you know,

847
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: part of this book writing thing is the topic. I

848
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: tell people this all the time in my business. You

849
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: can be the greatest sports talk show host of all time.

850
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: You choose hockey, I choose football. I win the segment.

851
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how great you are, howeverage I am.

852
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: Topic matters, and right now I can't wait to read

853
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: the Aaron Rodgers book.

854
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: I can't. That's a great topic.

855
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 2: I can't because nobody's really done the seminole book on him,

856
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: because he's been a little bit elusive, he's a little

857
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: bit prickly. He can be a tab aloof and he's

858
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: not that giving.

859
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 3: Teammates don't know him.

860
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: He's not that giving. So do you know the name

861
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: for it yet?

862
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: Out of the Darkness that, oh my, the mystery Daron

863
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: Rodgers is sort of the subtitle, but he he has

864
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: said those words, out of the darkness. I came out

865
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: of the darkness. It was more last year than I

866
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: guess this year. But when he went on that darkness

867
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: retreat and came outside, he still wanted to play. Then

868
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: he wanted to play for the Jets. And so the

869
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: idea is to bring light to the mystery of who

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00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: he is, and so that's why that title was picked.

871
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: And so you're not really you're not a huge fan

872
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: of his as a as a figure right as a personality.

873
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: Well, I think I first ballot Hall of Famer would

874
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: always choose him over Far if I thought he was

875
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: more efficient and more of a thinking man's player. I

876
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: consider him like a Rod or Kevin Durant, an all

877
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: time great talent, not a great leader, a little passive, aggressive.

878
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: Jeter's more leader, Brady's more leader, and I think there's

879
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: a there's a distinction between the two. I think Lebron

880
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: has leadership quality. Steph Curry does. I think Kawhi Leonard's

881
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: just great, and so we tend to think quarterbacks all

882
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: have to be great leaders. Manning certainly was.

883
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: He was very.

884
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: Confrontational with Jeff Saturday, Brady with a coordinator Mahomes, with

885
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: a coach that's not Aaron. But I do think he's

886
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: a fascinating personality. He's a content machine. He's a contrarian,

887
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: and I appreciate him. I think he suffers from a

888
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: little bit of that smartest guy in the room disease.

889
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: Rich single doesn't really have to sacrifice for kids, a family.

890
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like you when you're married,

891
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: it's a series of sacrifices. I'm willing to do all

892
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: of them. But it's a different lifestyle than Aaron. And

893
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 2: I think, you know, Bill Simmons and I have talked

894
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: about this older richer, handsome, never married. You know, you

895
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: kind of get into your own you get into your

896
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: mirror a lot. You are the son the galaxy and

897
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: the stars, and I think there's a bit of that

898
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: that's a little over the top. But I respect the

899
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: hell out of him.

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00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: Oh it's interesting because the Jets, the players love him

901
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: to death, and I think most of them did. In

902
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: Green Bay, he had two guys, Greg Jennings and Jamichael

903
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: Finley who had some negative things to say about him

904
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: and his leadership style and approach over the years. There's

905
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: really kind of just those two guys, and I had

906
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: a prominent NFL figure. I used this quote in the book,

907
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: but I'll give it to you now. I didn't name

908
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 1: the person because he said, listen, I can't stand Aaron

909
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: Rodgers and everything he stands for, particularly on the vaccine.

910
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: And this is somebody who's done a lot of business

911
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: with the packers and the Jets, prominent NFL figure, and

912
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: he said, but I have to admit, I've never met

913
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: an NFL player who don't like so in the locker room,

914
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: He's loved in a lot of corners, and so Hard

915
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: Knocks was very good for him. I think it became

916
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: an Aaron Rodgers infomercial really in terms of how he

917
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: connected with players, older players, younger players, and how they

918
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: responded to him. So we'll see, we'll see how the

919
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: season plays out. I just want him to be healthy.

920
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: I just want to see the season. I just want

921
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: to see him make fifteen starts. And I've never I've

922
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: covered some of his games here and there, but I've

923
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: never seen a full Aaron Rodgers season. I'd love to

924
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: see it in my backyard with the Jets. And if

925
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: he could win a championship with the Jets, which is unlikely,

926
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: that would do a tremendous amount for his legacy. I

927
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: think right now i'd have him fifth all time on

928
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: the quarterback list. I think he could probably move up

929
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: to two or three, and with a Super Bowl victory

930
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: with the Jets, i'd probably put well Brady's one, Mahomes two,

931
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: Montana three, Peyton Manning four, and I'd have Rogers five,

932
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: but I think he can move up a step or

933
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: two if he went on with the Jets. Yeah, I have.

934
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: Brady Mahomes, Montana, Peyton l Way, and then I think

935
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: you get into the next four or five guys. He's

936
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: in that discussion.

937
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you have more like seven to eight.

938
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have him more like eight. But I always

939
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: preferred him over far of who I thought was reckless,

940
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: not as coachable, was more instinct driven, which I understood

941
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: John Madden's affection for him. But I like guys who

942
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: are more kind of buttoned up on script and take

943
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: the laps and not everything is sort of you know,

944
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it my way. I think that's a

945
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: very outdated way to play football. Thanks so much for listening.

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