1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 2: Ben, You're like kind of looking like yourself now, Like, 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: you know, for a while, I didn't know if you'd 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: ever like start looking like yourself again. 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, uh, well it's been a while now. 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: It's funny when you start looking and feeling normal against 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes I forget what happened. Like I'll be doing shit 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: around the house and I'll just get all tired and 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: I'll be like, why am I tired? It's like, oh, yeah, 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: that lung transplant thing. 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: Hey, you know it's been a while, guys, welcome back 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 2: to Funky in the Champ. I know Ben and I 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: have not done this for a real long time, and 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: obviously it's well documented with Ben went through. 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: Ben, we were on air the week of the issue. 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: That was the craziest thing, Like, you were excited to 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: go to Vegas and then when we go to Vegas, 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: Vegas is a nightmare. You're gonna have like bad dreams 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: about going to Vegas for the rest of your life. 21 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: Now, well, who knows, Maybe I'll never go again. I 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: don't really happen. 23 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 3: Never go to Yeah, never go to Vegas. 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: I don't think it's Vegas's fault. I think it was 25 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: in the process of happening. I can't remember. We podcasted 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday week I left Tuesday. Uh release is 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: a date on there, but he doesn't have a day. 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, seven, it was we filmed all that was there 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: or Tuesday. Normally we used to release on Wednesdays. 30 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I went to the hospital for the first 31 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: time on May twenty eighth, and I went back in 32 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: on May twenty ninth. Uh, it's to my recollection. Yeah. 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: I said that back pain and I didn't think much 34 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: of it. I thought it was a muscle sprain or 35 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: a muscle spasm or something. And then, Uh, well, do 36 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: you guys know the rest? 37 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: Ben? Did you? Uh? 38 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: Did you did you go back and look at us 39 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: on the podcast when you were like kind of in 40 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: your recovery, like looking at you on those videos to 41 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: see if you could see anything different, like maybe like 42 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: your skin color or anything looking different. 43 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: No, you know what made me sad though. Uh. The 44 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: last guy I worked out with was Raphael Lavato. He's 45 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: a Duke Group US affiliate or a j guy. 46 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. 47 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really good and he's awesome. He just comes 48 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: to work. He's actually wrestling for OCU for NI He's 49 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: like forty two. It's hilarious. Did you see that? 50 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: Yo? What is going on with that? Like, guys are 51 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 3: just going guys are just opting back in the college. 52 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 3: I don't understand how doing it. 53 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: It's so weird. But uh no, I was so I 54 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: was working out with this dude and he posted it 55 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: after and I got sad because I'm like, fuck, I'm 56 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: I might I may never do that again. Like I 57 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: literally I really enjoy wrestling, I really enjoy training, and 58 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: like that might be the last time. And I'm starting 59 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: to feel like at least I'm gonna get to beat 60 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: up on the little guys. I might not be wrestling 61 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: the big guys again, but I'm gonna get a beat 62 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: up on the little guys at some point. But that 63 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: one really made me sad that like that could have 64 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: been the last time I ever did it. 65 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: That's crazy, man, That's that's so crazy. 66 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: Hey man, I know, I know you've talked about this 67 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 2: that nauseam, but like I have to ask you for 68 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: the people that come to uh to our podcast for 69 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: for answers, when did you recognize that it was not 70 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: just a normal like health health. 71 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: Did you just went out, yes, there are there, so 72 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: they Hey, did you know they're making a movie about this, but. 73 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: About your about your Yeah, you're making a movie, not me. 74 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: Someone contacted me. Yeah. Really Yeah, it's gonna be a 75 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: longer process. But no. So basically I told you I 76 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: was having those issues in my back. Finally, my wife 77 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: bugged me when we were vegan. She said, just go 78 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: to the go to the hospital with me. Fine, And 79 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: I was upset about it. And I got there and 80 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, I got a muscle spas. 81 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: I've had this muscle seisant before my all my vitals. 82 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: I did all the vitals, blood pressure, temperature, et cetera, 83 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Everything's fine, right, Yeah, Okay, I'll 84 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: give you the I'll give you the medicine for the 85 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 1: muscle spouse. It's like a muscle relaxer. And I said, okay, cool, 86 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: and I went home and I took it. But that 87 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: night I couldn't sleep. It was terrible. It didn't work 88 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: at all. I was up all the time. And then 89 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: it's funny, I don't really remember this, but my wife 90 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: has videos. I woke up and I was kind of 91 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: like messed up, looking like I got in a fight 92 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 1: or something like kind of had like bullet swollen face 93 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: stuff on my Yeah, and she had taped me sleeping 94 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: and sent to a few of our doctor friends and 95 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: they're like, you need to get him to the hospital. 96 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: And then you know how stubborn I am. I'm almost 97 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: as stubborn as you are. Almost You're more. 98 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: Stubborn than me by far. You're way more stubborn than 99 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: I am. 100 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: And I'm sure, sure, I'm sure these videos come up, 101 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: but I'm like, dude, I'm fine, Just I give you 102 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: some coffee, let me give my energy up. I want 103 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: to go to the bitcoin conference. I'm not going to 104 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: the hospital again. And I'm like, but if you like, 105 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: I couldn't see myself at that point. But when you 106 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: watch the video, you're like, oh, what's wrong with that guy? 107 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, so she convinced me to go to 108 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: the hospital. And it's funny. I had a friend and 109 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: his wife with us, and she said she was worried 110 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: I was gonna bolt and go to the bitcoin conference, 111 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: so she. 112 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 4: Had them trail us to the uber Really yeah for 113 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 4: either because I think who my buddy rye? 114 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about that problem. Yeah, 115 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: and then dude, I went to the hospital and I 116 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: don't remember. I remember walking in the door. It was 117 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: the same one I walked in the day before. And 118 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: then I don't remember anything for two months. Uh No, 119 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: it's like forty forty two days or something like that. Yeah, 120 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: a long time. 121 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: It's so crazy, man. 122 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: That whole thing was so scary that I thought we'd 123 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: never do this again. 124 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 125 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 2: So, like I'm talking to Amy, Dude, I gotta be honest, 126 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: like I've I've met your wife obviously. You and I 127 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: have been friends for a long time. I've met your 128 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: wife at the Olympics. I met her many many times. 129 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if I had more than two conversations 130 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: with her in my entire life. Bro, I bugged her 131 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: so much. It's so annoying. It was like, I don't 132 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: even really know this guy. Yeah, he's like calling me 133 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: and ship like texting me like I did. Everybody was 134 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: so worried if you're gonna. 135 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: Be okay, Hey, you can I tell you? Can? I 136 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 3: tell you? 137 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: I knew first off, normal people would not have made 138 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: it through that. 139 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: I mean I almost didn't make it, Ben. 140 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 2: I don't think normal people would have made it like 141 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: they would have died because they don't have that thing 142 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 2: that makes like elite athletes elite in most cases, right, Like, 143 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: there's a fight inside of you that's much different than 144 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: most people. 145 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's you know, you start going down like that. 146 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: Man, you see people just kind of close their eyes 147 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: and and give up. And I'm pretty sure you know 148 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: in those moments, obviously, even if you don't have control 149 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: over it, your body's responding to the fight, like you 150 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: responded to so many fights over the course of your life. 151 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: Yes, and I bet that probably helped. 152 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: But over those forty something days, I remember you and 153 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 2: I sitting on your porch talking about it. You're like, dude, 154 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: I don't remember anything, Like where are moments where you 155 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 2: just kind of came out of it and then just 156 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 2: kind of went back into like that. 157 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: No, I don't remember. I don't remember anything. But it's funny. Actually, 158 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: probably the I will say a while after I woke up. 159 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: I think when I woke up, I was conscious and 160 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: I was talking. And but now when I reflect on 161 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: that time period, like, I can't remember much of it. 162 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: You know what, when I actually woke up and I 163 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: was actually you know what I remember, I was conscious 164 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: and I thought I knew what I was doing and 165 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: talking about. I would say some wild ship like my 166 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: favorite one, like I'm totally out of my mind. Of course, 167 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: you know is Keegan and Jacob to my old wrestlers 168 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: came to visit me at the hospital one time, and 169 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: I don't know why. I was so mad that morning. 170 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: Prob they had me on drugs. I was so mad. 171 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: I kept flipping off the nurses. They had me in jail, 172 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: and every time they leave the room, I'd be like, guys, 173 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: you got to get me out of here. You get 174 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: kidnapping me. You gotta get me out of here. And 175 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: They're like, dude, no, you're You're connected to so many wires, 176 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: we can't get you out of here. I started calling names. 177 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: I was like, you guys are puss. Get me out 178 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: of here right now. You need to get me out 179 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: of here. 180 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: Crazy. 181 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: Yes, I was just I was acting totally nuts. So 182 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: like I kind of remember that and then like Keagan 183 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: reminded me of it and maybe laugh and yeah, So 184 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff like that, But no, from 185 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: the time where I was out, I don't I don't 186 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: remember anything. I've now, I've seen videos and a few 187 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: other things, So like I kind of know some of 188 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: the things, but I don't really know anything. 189 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: Does it make you like super sad to see like, god, man, 190 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: I've been asking in you're strong, and then to see 191 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: yourself that's that fragile, Because I gotta be honest, that 192 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: probably was the hardest thing for me. 193 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: When you do those first couple o pounds. Holy shit, 194 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: Uh it was crazy. 195 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, obviously I'm gaining a 196 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: lot of size and strength back. No, I mean, you know, honestly, 197 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: the thing I think about that's the hardest is I 198 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: help your family cry on here? 199 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 4: No? 200 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: No, well, actually I mean yes and no. But the 201 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: fact that I didn't have to really go through it. 202 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: I went to the hospital and then I woke up, 203 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: and that's it. I didn't know I am almost died 204 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: whole bunch of times. Or I didn't have to make 205 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: any decisions. I was out, you know, versus like I 206 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: think about my wife having to come to hospital every day, 207 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: not her kids are gonna have their dad or you know, 208 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: I was thinking one thing. I was funny, fucking I 209 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: was like coach Messa Rink and my brother are coaching 210 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: at the junior Jules five miles away in Milwaukee. Well, 211 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm here dying, and like they don't know if I'm 212 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: gonna Like at that point, they didn't know if I 213 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: was gonna make it or not, you know, So like 214 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: all these people had to kind of go through life 215 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: for a while with this on their mind, like heavy, 216 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so hard. 217 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 3: It's very heavy, just not knowing if you Yeah, it 218 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: was crazy. 219 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: But I tell you, I'm not gonna sit on this 220 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: too long because I know you've done it time and 221 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: time again. 222 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: But I might make them interview you for the movie. 223 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: You never know. I heard you got a few fans. 224 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 2: You know I would do it, but hey, when I 225 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: knew you'd be okay when you cheated me in disc 226 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: golf at your house and Amy's like, Ben, you know 227 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 2: you're cheating when you when you were rolling it down 228 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: the hill. 229 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 3: You're not supposed to do that. 230 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know that discolf courses that have hills. 231 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 3: No, but you were like you were instead of. 232 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, the hail helped me out quite a bit. 233 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: That's a legal throw though, no it isn't. 234 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: You can't throw it down the hill to get it 235 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: further than me. Ben y H, Dude, I'm telling you 236 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: you're you're a liar. 237 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 3: And the CHEATERH. And I knew. I said, well, this 238 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: dude is gonna be fine after that. 239 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: All right, Ben, I'm gonna get off of this because 240 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: obviously you know, uh, we're on this podcast because we 241 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: love to do this podcast. 242 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 3: We love to talk sports. 243 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: MMA, right, Mixed Martial arts is the sport that you 244 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: and I. Maybe we didn't make our trade. It was 245 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: our trade to make more money. Yeah, rustled, but once 246 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: we did MMA, it's a worldwide sport, massiveness. 247 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: Growing and growing and growing. 248 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: Kabeb and the Omega met Off maybe one of the 249 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: biggest stars this sport has ever produced. The other day, 250 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: he was doing one of his sit downs and Kabiv said, 251 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: the UFC prefers fighters who talk trash and sell fights. 252 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 3: That hurts the guys that just. 253 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: Want to compete, specifically RUSN fighters who don't do that. 254 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: Do you agree with kuld Be that the UFC does 255 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: kind of is more drawn to the person that is 256 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 2: more loud and more look at me. Granted, Ben, the 257 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: biggest example we have seen of this is Connor McGregor. 258 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: It has not been replicated people have tried, but outside 259 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: of Connor, not many have really became big stars by 260 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: just running their mouth. 261 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: Well, I mean I don't. Well Connor can fight. Also 262 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: he can really he did cocaine and stop training, but 263 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: he did find Jesus and then Connor he did mean 264 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: help means thought that we'll see. I did call him 265 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: not fighting, but now it looks that he might. He 266 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: found Jesus and Jesus is gonna lead him back to 267 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: the octagon right in the White House allegedly, so hope, 268 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: hopefully that happens. So listen, Dan, this is what happened 269 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: to me. I mean, I can't say it for a 270 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: certain why Dana kept me out of the UFC when 271 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: I should have been in in twenty thirteen, but this 272 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: is the most likely re in And it's not it's 273 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: not just trash talk, right, it's it's a myriad of things. 274 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: That's your fighting style. He prefers strikers over wrestlers, for sure, 275 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: that's been the case. It's your personality and charisma. It's 276 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: not just trash talk. It's how someone carries themselves, the 277 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: way they dress, the way they act, all these things, 278 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: and at the end of day, it is a business, 279 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: and you know, I've had a strong issue with that 280 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: for many years, where the best fighters should be the 281 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: best fighters, and that's what I was going to try 282 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: to prove I was the best. So yes, I think 283 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of merit to what could he be saying. 284 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: But then the other tough part here is I don't 285 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: know how he's going to change it, like I don't 286 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: see Dana changing anytime soon. So what do you do 287 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: about it? 288 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: You know, I think I think he does have a 289 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: point because the fans really do dictate who receives that 290 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: push in most instances, because for as good as those 291 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: guys are, like certain guys Sean O'Malley was such a 292 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: lightning rod and people were so drawn to him that. 293 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: He got that pus Paddy pimblet People are just drawn 294 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 3: to it. 295 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 2: Really, there's no rhyme or reason as to why people 296 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: are like drawn to certainty because Patty does a dance. 297 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: On the way to the cage, and he's got funny hair. 298 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 2: He's got funny hair, He does a dance on the 299 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: way to the cage, has a very catchy song, and 300 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 2: he just goes and fights. He talks a little bit, 301 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: but he's not over the top and talks as much 302 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: as some of these other guys talking, but people are 303 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: drawn to him and look, now he's fighting for the 304 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: belt when when Honestly, I don't know if there's ever 305 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 2: been a more clear, clear uh number one contended in Armazerukian, Like, 306 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: I mean, Armazerukian is so clearly the number one contender, 307 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 2: but he isn't like that. People aren't drawn to him 308 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 2: in that way. So I mean, that's that's a real 309 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: example of it, right in your face. 310 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then yeah, I want to say he missed 311 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: Waiters thing and Dana. 312 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 2: Was he did not, you know, that's way he had 313 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: that injury pulled out in a fight the night before 314 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: the event in Los Angeles. 315 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: Yes, so people, you know, people were debating that. So 316 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,599 Speaker 1: I think there's some merit to that. Also. Yeah, and 317 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's funny because you're talking about now 318 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: you're talking about building stars. I think this is the 319 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: most fascinating thing because there is no great formula. The 320 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: guy who I was traded from Fort Johnson Metris Johnson. Listen, 321 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: he was if you like watching fights, he was an 322 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: elite fighter. He had a fun style, fun moves, but 323 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, he couldn't catch on. I don't know why. 324 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: He was always fight and defend this championship on TV. Yeah, 325 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: he wasn't even going pay per views. And that's what 326 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, I don't know why. 327 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: So like, Okay, he's smart, he's funny, he's got a 328 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: big YouTube following, he has a damn fighting style. He 329 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: couldn't catch on. So building stars is kind of those 330 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: things that it's like it's almost mysterious, like how do 331 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: certain people catch on? To your point, Patty Pimblet And 332 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: there have been other guys who've been pushed. You know, 333 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: McGregor's the biggest. O'Malley's a really big one. You know, 334 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: someone like Emily Kevin Holland, Like he's caught on and 335 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: he's pretty popular and is a superstar. No, but he's 336 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: pretty popular. And why just I guess because he says 337 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: funny things and he goes and fights like. 338 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: You never Derek lewis the Derek Great example, but he 339 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: knocks people out too, though there also knocked people out. 340 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: But he has had some really boring fights too. 341 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 3: Yes, he's had some bad ones. 342 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: Look difference, he said my balls were hot. That was 343 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: what everyone was. 344 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: It got him a title fight. 345 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: I was so happy some of these guys, some of 346 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: these guys, actually, no, we're talking about elite. Patty pimblet charl' maalley, 347 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: Connor McGregor. Those guys have proven to be elite and 348 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: they do that. The other two we mentioned Lewis and 349 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: and two. I mean, Derek goes to a lesson degree. 350 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: But Kevin Holland is more popular than his success inside 351 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: the octagon. But it's still the Diaz brothers, right, were 352 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: necessarily elite. 353 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: But they were was Nate Nate Diaz. He is the 354 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: most pusant. He's not. I don't even think he's that good. 355 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: I'll go get his record if you want me to. 356 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: But he has convinced people he is good at fighting somehow, 357 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: some way, pretty good. I'm gonna go get his damn record. Daniel, 358 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: it's not. 359 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 3: But he won the Ultimate Fighter. He won the Ultimate Fighter. 360 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 3: I'm saying he was good for the time that he 361 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: was fighting. 362 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: No, he wasn't. He was average. 363 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: He was. Yeah, Okay, I'm just trying. 364 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get the record. I'm gonna with the record. 365 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: They're gonna yell at me. 366 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: I know this. 367 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: Okay, let's see. Well he's his record is twenty one 368 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: and thirteen. 369 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 370 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: Really, yes, that's not that great. 371 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: Okay, I take it back. I'm taking it back. 372 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: And he was so yeah, and going into the UFC 373 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: he was I think it was five and one. So 374 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: within the UFC he was sixteen and twelve. 375 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: That's not good. 376 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: That's not very good. 377 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: That's that's not good. There there's really no way to 378 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: twist that into good. 379 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. So but you know, he made his personality and 380 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: that's another ones like how did his personality can on? 381 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: He says funny things. Sometimes you're a little bit different 382 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: he you know, I don't know. Yeah, listen, if you 383 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: post this clip, please don't post this clip because the 384 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: DIA's army will attack me. He has some fans who 385 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: are rabbit. If you say something bad about them, they 386 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: will come at you. 387 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 3: This is like, this is a great clip. You asking 388 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 3: not to the clip, don't post it. 389 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: They're gonna tell me, I hope you ain't got no 390 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: lungs left. I hope your lungs die. They're they're gonna 391 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: mean ship to me. Bro I posted you know what 392 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: I post. Now, I don't get into politics, but I 393 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: posted I think this is obvious, but I posted young 394 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: people only like socialism because they're not old enough to 395 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: figure out how bad the government is at everything. Listen 396 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: the socialists. They're like, if you, I can't believe you 397 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: got lungs, I hate you. I can't believe don't you. 398 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: I hope you die. Like literally the most comments I've 399 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: ever seen about anything ever. 400 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: And the next dude, it's crazy. Okay, so now it's 401 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 3: pretty clear, right, we agree it does help. But here's 402 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: the deal. 403 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 2: Kabeb was he did he succeed despite the system, Like 404 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: I mean, he was insanely popular, but he did kind 405 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 2: of have that that personality, right. You helped him stuff 406 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: him and Islam, But he would say stuff like I 407 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: will smash your chicken in the middle of the octagon 408 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: about Connor McGregor or Kabib just being Russian, right when 409 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: he was telling Michael Johnson, you need to submit, brother, 410 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: I deserve the title fight. 411 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: In the in the cage. 412 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: Then there's an interview with him in Ariel Hawani in 413 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: Masister Square Garden. It is the funniest interview I have 414 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 2: ever heard. In Luis, I want you to clip some 415 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: of the stuff this man said in that interview. But 416 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 2: he's not talking trist He's literally just being himself and 417 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: it will destroying people into him. 418 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 3: But I don't think anything is more of an attraction 419 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: than dominants. 420 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: Dominance, yeah is what may be hold on what about that? 421 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: What about what about Demetrius Johnson? 422 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: Though I get it, but Anderson Silva did not talk. 423 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 3: He was so he was. 424 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: I mean he still is like such a unique that 425 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: I loved tying, but that movie did the tyran where 426 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: he did the fake needed the upper cut, Like yeah, 427 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: tire totally bit on the knee, but you can't need 428 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: someone in boxing. But it's like, holy shit in or so, 429 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: where'd you think of that one? 430 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: John Jones doesn't talk trash. 431 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he didn't catch on for a while. I mean, 432 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: he was dynamic and he won a lot. Honestly, you 433 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: were kind of what made him catch on because there's 434 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: and it was funny. I always get mad because you're 435 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: no offense and a'll make your head too big here, 436 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: like you're just a good dude, right, People hated you 437 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: and they took John's side on it, and I have 438 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: no idea why. It was like the wildest thing ever, 439 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: but you two going against each other. And actually, on 440 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: this top specific topic from O'Brien and I did a 441 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: show a long time ago. We were talking what best 442 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: personality is, and it was funny most of people on 443 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: the best personality list had a rival on the list also, right, Yeah, 444 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: you always amplified them. So Kabeb and Connor write the 445 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: amputach that you and John and they were all these 446 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: ones where people would amplify each other, and I thought 447 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: that was I didn't plan for that to happen, but 448 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: once we did it, I was like, oh my god, 449 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: that's really interesting. 450 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of need a dance partner in those instances. 451 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: I agree with Kabeb to a point, but I think 452 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: that overall dominance, I think that if you're dominant and 453 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: you just have a few breaks, you can do pretty 454 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: much anything in this game. 455 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: I don't know that they go this guy can talk, 456 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: let's push him. 457 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: I think the fans choose more than the UFC actually 458 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: chooses who they get behind. 459 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: All right, guys. 460 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: Show is brought to you by our new sponsor, hard 461 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: Rock Bet. 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How different is 493 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: that mindset though? Ben, that's something that fears you so much. 494 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: Also is the same thing that ultimately, how do you 495 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: tell people that? How do you explain that to people? 496 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: Man? I just read a great quote about this today. 497 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: I wish I would have memorized it. I'll give you 498 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: the gist of it, but essentially said, having courage or 499 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: being fearless is it about not actually having the fear. 500 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: It's about being able to do the thing you want 501 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: to do anyways. Right? Yeah, So I think that's what 502 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: a lot of us fighters are. Combay athletes to figure 503 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: out how to do is like, where there's danger, there's opportunity, right, So, 504 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: where there's a chance for me to get beat up 505 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: or lose or get humiliated, there's also an opportunity. And 506 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: so I always tell my wrestlers, like, if you want 507 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: to go wrestle someone who sucks, there's zero danger in 508 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: you losing, Like they're not as good as You're not 509 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: going to lose, ever, But where's the opportunity. If you 510 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 1: just wrestle guys who suck all the time, you never 511 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: get better. You've got to be willing to put it 512 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: on the line, and you got to kind of enjoy 513 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: putting on the line. So I love the just to 514 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: gates your mindset. 515 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: I like his mindset. 516 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: I think Justin Gage is an absolute savage. I think 517 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: that the fight between him and Patty Pimlet is very, 518 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: very tough. I thought the way that Pemlet fought against 519 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: Michael Chandler was. I don't think I've ever seen him better. 520 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen them more aggressive, more nasty. 521 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: But I do understand what he's saying about Iliot to 522 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: pour you, because Eliot has shown an ability to put 523 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: people out that don't get put out. 524 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 3: The way he knocked out Max Holloway was crazy. 525 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: Bro. 526 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 3: The way that he knocked out Charles Lavera was crazy. 527 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: Charles was down and out before he even hit the 528 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: ground after Ilia hit him with the right hand. I 529 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 2: love that because I remember, as I think back on 530 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: my career, I don't know if I've ever been more 531 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: nervous in my life than the NCAA Finals, right, But 532 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: I think I was so nervous because I was like, man, 533 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 2: if I get this done, I can create history. Kenny 534 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: Monday walked up and goes, you look kind of scared. 535 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 2: I was like, I am so nervous, I said, but honestly, 536 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: I live for those nerves. You know, then when you 537 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 2: get to fighting, it's like if those nerves didn't show themselves, 538 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: I would get scared that I wasn't prepared to compete 539 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: at the level that I needed to compete at. Because 540 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: I realized as I got older that those nerves I 541 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: felt as a twenty one year old kid about the 542 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 2: rust of the NCAA final, I didn't quite understand them. 543 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: I didn't understand that they weren't fear nerves. They were 544 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: all competitive nerves and there's a difference. There's a difference 545 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: in handling those nerves. Whereas I told Kenny, I go, 546 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 2: if I can get this done, I make history. So yes, 547 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 2: I am nervous, but I wasn't quite. I didn't understand 548 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: as much as I did as I went through my fights. 549 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: And so some days when I was fighting and I 550 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: felt so ready and I'm in the back and I'm 551 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: just too too relaxed, I would find ways to make 552 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 2: sure I drew those emotions out out of me, because 553 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: to me, that was my indicator that boy, you're ready 554 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: to go and kill someone. 555 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I love I mean I love it, and uh, 556 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: I miss it. I don't get to compete anymore. I 557 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: mean I have, isn't it in a bunch of years? Yeah? 558 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you know, once your competitor. I 559 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: always said, the thing I missed most when I retired, 560 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: it's just that feeling, like if you can if I 561 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: could get that feeling of walking to the cage or 562 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: walking to the mat I get every day when I 563 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: walk over in the morning, my life would be so great. 564 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 3: You know, you don't get it. 565 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: You have to. You have to earn those feelings, and 566 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: once they're gone. 567 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: That's great, Ben, Yeah, that's great. You have to earn 568 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: that feeling. Yeah, if you say you have to earn that, 569 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 2: you have to earn that. You have to earn that 570 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: ability to feel those nerves for something that's so damn important. 571 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 3: To stand on the version. 572 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 2: I always say, like Josh Thompson asked me, he goes, 573 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: how good does it feel to watch those guys achieve greatness? 574 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 2: I go do when I sit next to at octagon, 575 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: to watch people just chase down something that's so big 576 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 2: is insane. I think Justin understands that. Justin understands that, 577 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: Man if I go get this dude that hasn't been beat, 578 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: that is supposed to be unstoppable, who has shown so 579 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: many things, it's like it's motivation for guys like Justin, 580 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 2: like myself, like you, But it also brings me to 581 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 2: this one like do you think like Ilia brings about 582 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 2: a fear that some other fighters don't. 583 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: Well, I think when there's that idea that you can 584 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: get put out right away and it's one shot, I 585 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: think you have to have that. But that's you know, 586 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: kind of along those lines of if you really let that, 587 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: if you fear that too much, that's gonna be super 588 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: negative to your performance. You have to accept that that's 589 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: the case, then go go do it anyways, and then 590 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: you know that he's not the only fighter like that. 591 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: There's like one guy you fall Anthony Johnson rest in peace. 592 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean he hit people hard, and it's you know, 593 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: so there's like that fear of like it's a fear 594 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: of such a balance of recognition, like, hey, this guy 595 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: can put me out, so I gotta be a little 596 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: more careful. Honestly, I'll tell you, I didn't really think 597 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: George could hurt me that much. And I think, you know, 598 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: kind of you said your nerves get dulled. 599 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: Yep. 600 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: At that point, I'd been in the octagon so many times. 601 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: I'd been in practice so many times. I had never 602 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: really got rocked or hurt in practice or anything. You know, 603 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: So it's like I was almost dull to it, and 604 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: so maybe I should have been a little more nervous. 605 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: You know, I probably would have been. So I do 606 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: think that's that's important to kind of like recognize and 607 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: have that balance to not disregard the threat but kind 608 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: of keep it in your mind. 609 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: You know, we were turning the corner here, We're gonna 610 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: end here in a little bit. But last thing before 611 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: we go. Back in the day, before we done, we 612 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: said we wanted to like Funky's Corner where you got 613 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: a chance to talk about stuff that matter to you. 614 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: I'm changing it. 615 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: Let's do a block when we talk just real American 616 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 2: freestyle wrestling, because the job that you guys have done 617 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: to me is amazing. You have literally created a professional 618 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 2: wrestling for us, a diehard wrestling fan. It's on TV, 619 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: it's doing insanely well on Fox Nation, and you guys 620 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: have put together some really good matches. One match in particular, 621 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: I want to talk about Henry's the Judo's back wrestling 622 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: your right. First off, let me tell you something. Henry 623 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: Hudo does not know how to retire. How many times 624 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: have you retired? Like retire twice in wrestling? 625 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 3: Right? 626 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh? Why not choosing the Matt Danielle Hey, who's that? 627 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 3: I did one time because I don't get that line? 628 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: He had to Steve Maco line. He said, did you 629 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: see me leave my fucking shoes on them? Oh? 630 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 3: So that's why he's coming back because he's wrestling. 631 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's wrestling, so awesome. 632 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 2: Okay, I retired once from wrestling, once from fighting. How 633 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: many times did you retire? 634 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: Well, twenty seventeen. I retired with a caveat that would 635 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: come back if I got the fighting better than me. 636 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: I retired from UC in twenty nineteen, and then I 637 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: took that boxing match. I never ever have retired from wrestling. 638 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: I took it, but I probably after I really like retired, 639 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: probably had what four matches, I think or five matches. Yeah, 640 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: I was hoping to wrestling this thing work out. 641 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: I've been telling you're ass to stop wrestling. I saw 642 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: you in the garage wrestling with Kellen him like, dude, Oh, 643 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: don't wrestle. 644 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 3: You can't wrestle. 645 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: I love wrestling's the best. 646 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 3: So hudo versus. 647 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: Favor with your position in the in the company, can 648 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: you actually discuss who you think is gonna win? Uh? 649 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm I've never been asked that, but I don't. 650 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't see why not. You know, it's it's we've 651 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: brought these MMA guys in and we've made some of 652 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,239 Speaker 1: them wrestle wrestlers, and that obviously that is I mean 653 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: only in the case of like jol Romero, who was 654 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: a Legiti world class. He could still compete. But the 655 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: majority of these guys, if they've only done MMA and 656 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of wrestling, they can't wrestle on 657 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: the elite wrestlers level. You know that being said, someone 658 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: like Michael Chandler, he was a good wrestler, but hasn't 659 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: wrestled a ton of the UFC. He's still looked good. 660 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how much Henry wrestles. Having Henry was 661 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: only champion. He was literally as good as it gets. 662 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: But that was oh Ship worre Oldough the other seventeen 663 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: years ago. 664 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a long time ago, So I. 665 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: Don't know how well he gets a wrestle. You know, 666 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: his peak was much about above your riots. Your riot 667 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: looks like he stays in great shape, He. 668 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 3: Compete frequently, still competes. 669 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so uh, I'm very interested to see. Obviously I 670 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: was leaning towards Henry because of the credentials, but I'm 671 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: curious toe how good your right looks. 672 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: I'm excited about this matchup because, dude, I was so 673 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 2: scared about who Henry was gonna wrestle. 674 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 3: Gotta be honest with you. 675 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: After watching the MMA guys compete against the wrestlers, I 676 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: was like yo, First off, they gotta stop. I mean, 677 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 2: Baala Mohammed rustling David Carr is crazy. I don't know 678 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: if y' they don't need money, so I know they 679 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: just want to do it because they love wrestling. But 680 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 2: that's a dude. You guys are so ridiculous, Like we 681 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: should call CPS, I should services just you guys machine 682 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 2: these guys up with David Carr and freaking bro Derrian. 683 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 3: Caldwell, wrestle's bow basket gets been in like ten seconds. 684 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 3: This is the craziest. I just I can't understand it. 685 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 2: But my fear right was that Henry was gonna end 686 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: up wrestling bow Bassett. 687 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: No way. 688 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 3: So let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. 689 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 3: You me does Henry beat bo Bassett? Right now? 690 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: Bow bass is really really good wrestling. I don't know 691 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: how good Henry is. Listen, if Henry wants to wrestle 692 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: more than one match, were have We'd love to have 693 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: wrestle one more than one match. 694 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,239 Speaker 3: Do not put him in there with bull bastard bro Well. 695 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: Listen, if he wins a few matches, we got to 696 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: keep bumping them up, right, I mean that's the thing, Like, 697 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, you're building stars. The UFC is like, well, 698 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: you have to have some type of storyline or plot. 699 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: And so I don't know, maybe Henry does one matches 700 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: in Phoenix, in his hometown. He wants to kind of 701 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: go out with a bang something like that. Maybe I 702 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe he likes to wrestle and he wants 703 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: to wrestle some more, and we give him a couple 704 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: of matches and after your riot baby wrestles like at 705 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: Darren Coldwell, right, and then he keeps bumping up a 706 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: little bit. 707 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 3: But Darian Colewell got pinned by bowling, Like, I mean 708 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 3: that was crazy. 709 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: I mean, hold a really stupid move. I don't know 710 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: what he was trying to do when he tried pulling 711 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: it back. That was really a bad idea. 712 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 3: Insane, insane. So who's match making this event? 713 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a group of four of us. I 714 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: believe it's public. It's me, Willie, Lance Palmer and Iszy 715 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: And we just said, you know, get on the phone 716 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: a couple of times this week and you know, kind 717 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: of look a couple down the line. So we have 718 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: Miami January tenth. This weekend, we have Tempi February twenty eighth. 719 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: We have in March twenty eighth. The venues not officially 720 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: locked down, so I can't say that one yet, but 721 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: we're doing one show a month on Fox Nation, and yeah, 722 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: so we kind of try to line them up, and 723 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: obviously like April, May June, we're gonna have to be 724 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: careful with our wrestlers because they have the Trials and 725 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: the Open and the Final X. So you know, I'm 726 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: gonna try to do what you're advising here. I want 727 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: to try to have some of these MMA guys just 728 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: MMA guys, so it's more even. Yeah, like you know, 729 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: he actually wrestled David Carr pretty tough compared to what 730 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: I thought was gonna happen for real. 731 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 3: Zero didn't he listen. 732 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: I didn't think it was gonna last so long. I 733 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: actually was kind of impressing in a few of his defenses. 734 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: So we'll match them up against someone else who is, 735 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, a more similar uh skill level for wrestling, 736 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: and you know, like you said, I think they don't 737 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: need to do it for the money. They do it 738 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: because they enjoy wrestling and they enjoy it love. 739 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. 740 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, so we we Snow's Makaiah versus prest Meredith. 741 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: And the other thing that I've been most fascinated by 742 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: so far to this point was Yol Romero. 743 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 3: I like, dude, how good was he? 744 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: Holy crap? Well, I was. So I thought of him 745 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: because we were thinking about what matchups could we give 746 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: Bo Nickel, and we wanted a big name, and we 747 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: want someone a good credentials because Bo's really good wrestling, 748 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, And so I said Yoel, And so we 749 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: matched them up initially, and then Bo had like a 750 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: minor injury and had to pull out, and I was like, 751 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: damn it, You're going to get beat by Pat Downey 752 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: because Pat was on the World team only a few 753 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: years ago. Again, it was not long those wasn't super 754 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: long ago, and Yoel's forty eight years old. I know 755 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: how good he was, but Y'll kicked his ass. It 756 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: was bad. 757 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 2: Impressively, Romero was wrestling like the rule set, like he 758 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 2: still trains the rule set. That's what was most impressive 759 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 2: to me. I'm like, Yo, this dude's wrestling like he's 760 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 2: still It's unbelievable. 761 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, my boy, Luke rock Hole's wrestling this weekend. 762 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: That's one. You think he could be Kolby or No. 763 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 3: He's been sending me videos of sending me yes of 764 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 3: him training. 765 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 2: So he's been working out, he's been preparing, he's we 766 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 2: got a few tricks of our sleep with Kobe coming down. 767 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: He should have a little size of anagel. 768 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 3: Right, he's gonna be. 769 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 2: Bigger, Okay, but I mean there's a lot of city. Yeah, 770 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Kobe's a good wrestler. Cooby' is 771 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 2: a s twot time all America. 772 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: But that's one where Kobe, I know he so like 773 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: you know what a great example of this is for raft, 774 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: the difference between MMA and wrestling. If you watch Michael 775 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: Chandler versus Chad Mendez, both the wrestlers now, defensively you 776 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: can usually maintain your defense, but in rest and MMA 777 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: you generally don't shoot to a knee. Both those guys 778 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: wouldn't shooting anymore, so they couldn't get past the other 779 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: one's defense really, And so it's like, yeah, if Kolby 780 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 1: hasn't been chooting to a knee, which he hasn't, right, 781 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: and he's probably a little bit younger than me, I 782 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: will say, fifteen years. Like that's a skill that kind 783 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: of goes away with your timing so can make things 784 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: a lot harder. 785 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 2: I told uh, I'm telling you Real American Freestyle Wrestling 786 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 2: is gonna see me and John Jones at some point. 787 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 3: I'm gonna kick his ass Like you would never believe. 788 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 2: It, because guess what, I still shoot, because I still 789 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 2: train wrestlers every single day. 790 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: You could take them. 791 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 3: Kobe Maryland, dude, he was so strong. 792 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: Why he's huge. 793 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 3: He's good though, then so big son of a bitch. 794 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 2: Hey, guys, thank you for watching Funk in the Champ 795 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 2: eight this weekend. Real American Freestyle Wrestling is on Fox 796 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 2: Nation that Saturday right January tenth ent Saturday, January tenth. 797 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 2: Make sure you guys watch it and make sure you 798 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 2: guys always tap into Funky in the Champ for Ben. 799 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 3: I'm DC. 800 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 2: Ben, is nice to have you back, My brother back 801 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 2: from the dead. My boy been asking. Until next time, Peace,