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Speaker 4: Okay, so I think we're going to start off with

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Speaker 4: this message about Boards of Canada. This is what we

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Speaker 4: got to do first. It's important to put this to

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Speaker 4: the top. So in the last listener mail episode about

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Speaker 4: a month ago, we talked about how rob would it

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Speaker 4: be fair to say this is your favorite musical group

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Speaker 4: Boards of Canada.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have to. I would have to say

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: I have varied musical taste and Boards of Canada doesn't

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Speaker 2: fulfill all of the musical cravings that I have, but

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Speaker 2: they fulfill a lot of them, and I do listen

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Speaker 2: to them an awful lot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I have one favorite band either,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, but something like your favorite musical group, Boards

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Speaker 4: of Canada released their first album in like twelve or

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Speaker 4: thirteen years, is that right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been to be called Inferno. I listened to

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Speaker 4: it for the first time this morning while I was

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Speaker 4: building this document full of listener emails. Thought it was great,

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Speaker 4: big thumbs up, really enjoyed it. In fact, I listened

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Speaker 4: to it like one and a half times this morning.

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Speaker 4: And several listeners got in touch about this new album

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Speaker 4: in the lead up to the launch, expecting Rob to

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Speaker 4: got this response from Ian subject note to Joe about

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Speaker 4: Boards of Canada says, Hey, Joe on behalf of all

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Speaker 4: knew Rob was a month's Boards of Canada fan, and

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Speaker 4: in fact, when the new album popped up in my

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Speaker 4: Spotify feed, my first thought was, Wow, Rob is going.

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Speaker 3: To be jacked about this.

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Speaker 4: You guys are the reason I have Boards of Canada

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Speaker 4: albums in my library. So ironically, even though I was

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Speaker 4: my gateway drug two Boards of Canada was a couple

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Speaker 4: of guys in Atlanta and stuff to blow your mind.

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Speaker 4: How's that for quantum entanglement? Strange the way the universe works?

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Speaker 4: Ian from Canada parentheses, I don't have any boards, so

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Speaker 4: Ian I stand corrected. I guess I just never know

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Speaker 4: what to expect about what fans of the show would

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Speaker 4: remember or notice about what we say about our personal

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Speaker 4: tastes in our lives. I feel like I would be

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Speaker 4: surprised if anybody listening knew what my favorite bands were.

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Speaker 4: And I don't even really remember what musical preferences I've

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Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, I know you mentioned a few, but

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Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil it for the listeners because

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Speaker 2: it sounds like we have a listener challenge here right

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Speaker 2: in if you can, if you can name, if you

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Speaker 2: can guess Joe's three favorite bands, then we will talk

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Speaker 2: about it more on listener mail.

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Speaker 4: This would be interesting for me. I don't know what

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Speaker 4: i'd say my three favorite bands are, but I well,

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Speaker 4: a couple of things are coming to mind that people

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Do you talk about your faves of things more than

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Speaker 2: I mean, I get into a little obsessive kicks about

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Speaker 2: so so yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm a little

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Speaker 2: more leaky with that information, but yeah, yeah, I get

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Speaker 2: I get a little obsessed at times.

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Speaker 4: Well, nothing wrong with that, you know. I think the

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Speaker 4: world could do with more more energy spent on really

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I do really like the new boards of Canada

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Speaker 2: album Inferno. In fact, I love it more than any

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Speaker 3: So I got that reference.

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Speaker 2: That's a reference, that's not a true statement. That is

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Speaker 2: a reference to some of the lyrical contents of the album.

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Speaker 4: Okay, do you want to do some responses to our

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: You want to do this one from Jeff for a

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Speaker 3: different one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll jump in with this one from Jeff. This

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Speaker 2: one was pretty good. It is titled Monsters and Dragons

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Speaker 4: Oh wait, sorry, and I had a note about the

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Speaker 4: context of this one part of a series of emails

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Speaker 4: from Jeff so in previous Listener Mail episodes, Jeff had

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Speaker 4: shared some intries from a series of books about nature

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Speaker 4: written for children in the sixties and seventies. These were

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Speaker 4: the books with titles like Reptiles Do the Strangest Things

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Speaker 4: very had very funny ways of talking about animals, like

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Speaker 4: they would refer to I don't know, it's not in

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Speaker 4: this particular example, but they might refer to the Helo

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Speaker 4: moralistic statements about the animals.

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Speaker 2: A lot of moralistic, gender normative writing about an Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, but sorry that aside. This is Jeff's message.

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Speaker 2: All right, jess As Greetings, gentlemen. I have been remiss

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Speaker 2: lately in supplying you with somewhat inaccurate and occasionally judgmental

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Speaker 2: include relevant stories about the HeLa Monster, Komodo Dragon, Horned Toad,

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Speaker 2: I remembered the HeLa monster entry from when I was

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Speaker 2: There is a nice story about how for fun, boys

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's like the sticky hand that you would get

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Speaker 2: Yeah that, except it has an organism on the end

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Speaker 2: but have no qualms about referring to various reptiles as

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't know. I haven't really, I

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Speaker 2: haven't held a snake up to a baby recently. It's

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Speaker 2: just not part of my denomination, I guess. But at

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Speaker 2: any rate, Jeff says, thanks for continuing to defend the

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Speaker 3: Jeff, Thank you, Jeff.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 4: Jeff includes photos of intrigues from these books about, as

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Speaker 4: he said, the HeLa Monster, Komodo dragon, horned lizard, and

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Speaker 4: the Souaro cactus. The Suaro cactus chapter in the book

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Speaker 4: is called the Thirsty One. No, I can't read all

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Speaker 2: know it's a pretty thirsty lizard.

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Speaker 4: We should, yeah, we should talk about the HeLa monster

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Speaker 4: page at least. So The title of this page is

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Speaker 4: the Magic Tail, and it says, of all the lizards,

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Speaker 4: only two kinds have venom. These dangerous reptiles. Are they dangerous?

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Speaker 4: And I guess you don't want to be bit in

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Speaker 4: by one? It's not pleasant. These dangerous reptiles are the

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Speaker 4: Mexican beaded lizard and his cousin, the HeLa monster. The

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Speaker 4: HeLa monster doesn't like the heat. He sleeps in the day.

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Speaker 4: When the sun goes down, he goes out to hunt

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Speaker 4: odd way of storing food. When he eats a lot,

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Speaker 4: his tail gets fat. Then he can stop eating. His

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Speaker 4: body slowly uses up the fat after several months. The

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Speaker 4: thin tail. Hard to say why. This is not as

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Speaker 4: moralistic as some of the other ones, but it's still

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Speaker 4: kind of funny. But he has a very thin tail.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I've seen one with a very

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Speaker 4: Monsters question mark. I have been listening to your podcast

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Speaker 4: for a long time until your episode. I thought HeLa

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Speaker 2: we have some listener mail regarding our series on sand Or. Right,

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Speaker 2: Near the end, there was a fight between the versions

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Speaker 4: The third one that was not the best in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Well, Angelo continues talking about this fight. Usually whenever Sandman

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Speaker 3: Very cool.

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Speaker 4: I have not seen this movie, but I was aware

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Speaker 4: of this fact from off my conversations.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeahah, I remember the off my conversation now. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't an episode, but it was. It was work chatter. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so or work adjacent chatter at any rate. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: the email continues again potential spoilers, So if you don't

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Speaker 2: want to be spoiled about Sweet Home Alabama, skip ahead.

446
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Speaker 2: A little Folgarite is an actual plot point in the movie.

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Speaker 2: The movie starts with a young version of the main

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Speaker 2: characters seeing what happens to sand when hit by lightning.

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Speaker 2: The reveal at the end is that Reese Witherspoon's character

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Speaker 2: finds out that her love interest in the movie was

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Speaker 2: her one true love, partially because he was able to

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Speaker 2: use folgarite to build a successful commercial art business. Oversimplifying,

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Speaker 2: of course, but it was the last thing that made

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Speaker 2: her real, is it anyway? Keep up the good work.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to the next episodes.

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Speaker 4: Angelo, Okay, wait, so does he create a He's using

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Speaker 4: fullgar like he's making it like he's electrocuting sand in order.

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Speaker 5: I think so.

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Speaker 2: Something about high power wires and then they but then

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Speaker 2: they excite the earthworms, and the earthworms begin to rise

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Speaker 2: up and eat people. I think, yeah, I think this

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Speaker 2: is I'm remembering the film correctly.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that is the plot of Sweet Home, Alabama. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and the worms get chainsaws.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, thank you Angelo. Okay, let's do some messages

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Speaker 4: related to our series about diatoms and diatamacous earth. Diatoms

468
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Speaker 4: to refresh, are those single celled photosynthetic algae that are

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Speaker 4: notable for building glass like shells out of silica called frustules,

470
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Speaker 4: which can have quite beautiful and bizarre appearances. One of

471
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Speaker 4: the things we talked about in the series was how

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Speaker 4: the silica frustul is made of two haves that fit

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Speaker 4: together like a pill box or like a board game box,

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Speaker 4: with one half sliding over the other, and the diatoms

475
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Speaker 4: reproduced by asexual cell division. I just mentioned that because

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Speaker 4: that comes up in one of the messages that somebody

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Speaker 4: was writing in about which we may or may not

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Speaker 4: get to. But first I'm going to read this message

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Speaker 4: from Ahmed subject vault organelles. Ahmed says, Hey, guys, Ahmed

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Speaker 4: again here, While admittedly not strictly related to diatoms, your

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Speaker 4: recent episodes about their cell biology and lineage brought the

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Speaker 4: topic of the vault to mind for me. Named after

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Speaker 4: vaulted cathedral ceilings, this is a mysterious and oft forgotten organelle,

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Speaker 4: even though we've known about it for forty years, and

485
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Speaker 4: even in medical slash scientific training, you don't hear about

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Speaker 4: it much at all. Compared to ribosomes, mitochondria, et cetera,

487
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Speaker 4: vaults are really poorly understood. We know that their big

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Speaker 4: barrel shaped structures with a hollow central cavity made of

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Speaker 4: RNA and proteins, but knocking out their parts in mice

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Speaker 4: the parentheses the standard what does it do functional experiment

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Speaker 4: doesn't seem to do much at all. There are thousands

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Speaker 4: of vaults per cell and even more in some immune cells,

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Speaker 4: which maybe hints at a function Evolutionarily, they seem to

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Speaker 4: date back to the last eukaryotic common ancestor and are

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Speaker 4: conserved among eukaryotes that have them, but it's quite patchy.

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Speaker 4: For example, slime molds have them, but insects don't. Amobas

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Speaker 4: have them, but plants don't. It seems like diatoms don't

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Speaker 4: have vaults, but I couldn't find much on that. That

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Speaker 4: lack of solid ground on what vaults do hasn't stopped

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Speaker 4: scientists from trying to use them in slick ways, though

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Speaker 4: there have been efforts to use them for drug delivery before.

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Speaker 4: But my favorite was a recent paper attached where where

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Speaker 4: the authors used them as time capsules for gene expression

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Speaker 4: to capture and store the messenger RNAs or mRNAs a

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Speaker 4: cell is making for later analysis, called time vault. Their

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Speaker 4: technique involved modifying vaults to have an mRNA grabbing protein

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Speaker 4: in their internal cavity that would be produced only when

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Speaker 4: cells were treated with a drug molecule. So when experimenters

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Speaker 4: treated cells with this molecule, vaults made by the cell

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Speaker 4: going forward would be grabbing and storing mRNAs floating around

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Speaker 4: the half life of these captured mRNAs was almost two

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Speaker 4: weeks compared to about a day for free floating mRNAs,

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Speaker 4: and the authors did some cool proof of concept experiments

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Speaker 4: in lung cancer to see what mRNAs these cells were

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Speaker 4: making before and after an anti cancer treatment. I thought

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Speaker 4: it was a great story of scientific creativity and finding

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Speaker 4: a fresh use for something old. Anyways, keep up the

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Speaker 4: great work, Ahmed. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Ahmed.

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Speaker 4: Always love your emails. And if anybody wants to look

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Speaker 4: up the paper for themselves, the lead author is Yu

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Speaker 4: Kai Chow last name Chow Chao, and the paper is

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Speaker 4: called a Genetically Encoded Device for Transcriptome Storage in Mammalian Cells,

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Speaker 4: published in the journal Science this year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do we.

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Speaker 4: Want to do any other messages about diatoms or should

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Speaker 4: we move on?

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Speaker 2: Let's see, I mean we did have the one referencing

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Speaker 2: Doctor Who.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we were perplexed about whether to feature this one

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Speaker 4: because neither of us understand the context of what's happening

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Speaker 4: in the show.

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Speaker 2: I half way understand it, so okay, yeah, I have

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Speaker 2: to I have to to remind everyone that I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm far from current on Doctor Who. Occasionally I watch

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Speaker 2: a little like Baker era Doctor Who. I'm a little

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Speaker 2: more up on some of the older stuff, And like

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Speaker 2: I was telling Joe off my here, it's like I

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Speaker 2: try and keep up with who the current doctor is.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's that's kind of just you know,

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Speaker 2: your cultural responsibility to know who's playing the doctor right now.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know who's the doctor right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm not kept up. Get you got to keep up?

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Speaker 2: You got It's like knowing what time it is. But

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Speaker 2: at any rate, I was not familiar with the particular

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Speaker 2: scenario in the particular episode that.

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Speaker 5: Is being referenced here.

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Speaker 2: Mike writes in and says, when you were talking about

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Speaker 2: the board game box analogy, I could help but think

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Speaker 2: of Doctor Who. In recent seasons, we have seen that

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Speaker 2: the Doctor's race are capable of by generation, where they

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Speaker 2: split into two people after they die. In the show,

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Speaker 2: when this happens, each of the Haves have some of

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Speaker 2: the clothes of the original Love the show, and Mike

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Speaker 2: here includes a clip which if you don't know anything

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Speaker 2: about Doctor Who, it's going to be really confusing, And

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Speaker 2: if you know a little bit about Doctor Who, it

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Speaker 2: can still be a little confusing, But I think basically

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Speaker 2: the idea is when the doctor kind of like dies

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Speaker 2: and they you know, passes on, he like readates or

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Speaker 2: comes back or continues on, except in a new manifestation

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Speaker 2: in other words, played by a new actor.

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Speaker 5: And this has been the.

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Speaker 2: Way that you know, they've recast the character over and

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Speaker 2: over again while still you know, keeping like a linear

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Speaker 2: progression of plot.

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, so actually it's kind of like a body

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Speaker 4: hopping scenario in a way, but a but a benign,

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Speaker 4: positive kind of body hopping.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think stealing anybody's body or anything,

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Speaker 2: just like the body.

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Speaker 4: Changes innately, generating a totally different body each time, but

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Speaker 4: the same kind of soul or spirit is moving through them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you know who fans writing and correct us

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Speaker 2: on the details of this. But essentially, I think this

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Speaker 2: is a scenario where, for some reason that is probably

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Speaker 2: more apparent if one watches the full episode.

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Speaker 5: In the full story arc.

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Speaker 2: In this case, the doctor, instead of becoming the next

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Speaker 2: incarnation of the doctor, also becomes a previous incarnation of

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Speaker 2: the doctor. So in this scene, like he becomes the

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Speaker 2: new doctor plus a previous version of the doctor. I

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Speaker 2: think I could be wrong on that, but I think

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Speaker 2: that's what's happening here.

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Speaker 4: Well, at least I know what Mike is referring to

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Speaker 4: with the doctor splitting in two into two beings and

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Speaker 4: each of them getting some of the clothes of the

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Speaker 4: original because that's like the diatom reproduction process or the

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Speaker 4: asexual division process at least, where when the parent cell

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Speaker 4: splits into two, each it's got the two halves of

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Speaker 4: the frustula, the you know, the shell, and each daughter

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Speaker 4: cell takes one half of the original shell, and then

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Speaker 4: they generate a new smaller half. They treat that as

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Speaker 4: the bigger top half and generate a new smaller half,

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Speaker 4: which over time, over generations does lead to some of

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Speaker 4: these lines of cells shrinking down and becoming smaller and

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Speaker 4: smaller because they're using the smaller halves of the shells

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Speaker 4: as they're starting shells. And so eventually we talked about

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Speaker 4: how this does have to be remedied. They have to

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Speaker 4: get sexually frustulated to get new new shells or to

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Speaker 4: get back to the original size.

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Speaker 3: But okay, yes, so thank you, Mike.

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Speaker 4: I apologize that my doctor, who knowledge cannot I cannot

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Speaker 4: even grapple with what's happening here? He's being the doctor

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Speaker 4: is being blasted by a laser by Is that a

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Speaker 4: Neil Patrick Harris sitting in there or somebody else?

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Speaker 2: It did look like him, you know, I did not

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Speaker 2: know that he had an appearance on the show, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: that certainly looked like him as the villain.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's do this response to the thing before the beginning. Now,

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Speaker 4: if you don't remember, that series was focused on creation

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Speaker 4: narratives from religions around the world, and we were specifically

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Speaker 4: looking at how these creation narratives often describe what the

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Speaker 4: world was like before the creation event or before the beginning,

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Speaker 4: because counterintuitively, in most creation stories, there is some kind

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Speaker 4: of way the world was before it was made into

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Speaker 4: the world we know. And one of the subjects that

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Speaker 4: came up in the series, one thing that you brought up, Rob,

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Speaker 4: is about how newer religions often deal with creation stories

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Speaker 4: differently from ancient religions, maybe in part because they emerge

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Speaker 4: from a culture in which we have more fleshed out

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Speaker 4: physical and scientific information about the cosmos.

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Speaker 3: So maybe in some.

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Speaker 4: Cases updated pictures of the universe, informed by astronomy in physics,

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Speaker 4: or even by science fiction these things could be feeding

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Speaker 4: into the shape of new religious creation narratives, and one

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Speaker 4: of the strands of that discussion was about religions that

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Speaker 4: explicitly acknowledge the possibility of life on other planets, for example,

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Speaker 4: the Latter day Saints, And then that also led into

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Speaker 4: a brief aside about how LDS theology, in its restatement

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Speaker 4: of the Genesis creation story from the Bible, might in

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Speaker 4: some ways be more accurate to the original intention and

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Speaker 4: understanding of that story than the common interpretation of most

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Speaker 4: Christians today, because most Christians today interpret the Genesis story

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Speaker 4: as describing a creation of the universe x nihilo, the

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Speaker 4: total creation out of nothing, but a lot of scholars

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Speaker 4: of the Hebrew text now think that that story in

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Speaker 4: Genesis is more accurately interpreted as describing a creation x

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Speaker 4: materia out of a pre existing universe, you know, a

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Speaker 4: universe that's not very nice from our point of view,

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Speaker 4: kind of a deep of waste and dark, you know,

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Speaker 4: churning waters, taking that pre existing state of affairs and

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Speaker 4: organizing and furnishing it. And the interesting thing being that

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Speaker 4: the common Mormon interpretation of that creation is actually that

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Speaker 4: it is a creation x materia more like the modern

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Speaker 4: scholarly consensus. So anyway, this all feeds into this email

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Speaker 4: from Josh subject lines science and LDS theology. Hi, Robin Joe,

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Speaker 4: I am a little behind on my podcast, so sorry

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Speaker 4: if this is a little late. I wanted to offer

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Speaker 4: some personal context to your discussion on before the beginning,

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Speaker 4: specifically on the segment on the Church of Jesus Christ

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Speaker 4: of Latter day Saints. First, thank you for the respect

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Speaker 4: with which you treated the topic. It's pretty rare to

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Speaker 4: hear someone talk about religion without some sort of agenda.

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Speaker 4: I am a lifelong member of the church and wanted

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Speaker 4: to offer a little more on the topics of our scripture,

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Speaker 4: matching newer scholarship and on inhabited worlds. The context of

659
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Speaker 4: our religion is that certain elements of the Gospel were

660
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Speaker 4: lost in the time between Jesus and Joseph Smith. The

661
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Speaker 4: Book of Mormon refers to these as quote plain and

662
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Speaker 4: precious truths. I don't think whether or not creation was

663
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Speaker 4: ex Nihilo was in that category, but it was interesting

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Speaker 4: that the creation narrative that we use matches the original

665
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Speaker 4: meaning of the Bible narrative on the topic of inhabited

666
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Speaker 4: world In LDS theology, those worlds would be inhabited by

667
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Speaker 4: people like us. And then I should say, Josh has

668
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: a little science fiction aside that I don't want to

669
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Speaker 4: include because I don't want to spoil a story for people.

670
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Speaker 4: But I see your reference, Josh, I don't want to

671
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Speaker 4: spoil the discovery of an alien character in something. But

672
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 4: Josh says, this gets interesting when you start thinking about

673
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Speaker 4: the Fermi paradox. There's one term of the Drake equation

674
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Speaker 4: set to one. In the framework of LDS doctrine. You

675
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 4: can actually solve the Fermi paradox. Imagine we made contact

676
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: with an alien civilization that was biologically indistinguishable from us.

677
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Speaker 4: The odds of that happening without divine intervention are essentially zero.

678
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Speaker 4: The ability to choose whether you believe in God is

679
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 4: a central part of the purpose of living on Earth.

680
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Speaker 4: We would never meet an alien because it is counterproductive

681
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Speaker 4: to the purpose of mortal life. That is just my

682
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Speaker 4: thought experiment. By the way, this isn't doctrine. I fully

683
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Speaker 4: realize I am extrapolating back and forth from science and religion,

684
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Speaker 4: which is problematic. I would love to be proven wrong

685
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Speaker 4: so that Daniel Whiteson can have his interplanetary science conference.

686
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this is from the book.

687
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Speaker 3: Well, I forget the name of it.

688
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 4: I think it is something like how to talk to

689
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Speaker 4: Aliens about Physics. It's something like that Daniel Whiteson's book

690
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Speaker 4: that he and I talked about on an episode of

691
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Speaker 4: the show, and a good book, by the way. And

692
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Speaker 4: Josh finishes by saying, thanks again for the respect with

693
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Speaker 4: which you treated the religious discussion. I have no corrections

694
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Speaker 4: on what you said about what we believe. Josh. Well,

695
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Speaker 4: thank you, Josh. Yeah, I really appreciate you adding the

696
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Speaker 4: personal perspective here. You know, I have mixed thoughts on

697
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Speaker 4: what you said about us not having agendas. I won't

698
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Speaker 4: say that we don't have opinions about religion, like I

699
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 4: do have opinions about religion, and I talk about those

700
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 4: opinions on the show. Sometimes those opinions might not always

701
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: make people happy. But also I think I do think

702
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: it's very important, not just on our show but in

703
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 4: life to be able to talk about a subject descriptively

704
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: and to accurately talk about what it is without the

705
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Speaker 4: conversation automatically just transforming into me sharing all of my

706
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: feelings and opinions about it, but sometimes we are going

707
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 4: to say what we think about stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously we've talked about things like you know, witchcraft,

709
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: persecution on the show before, and similar destructive exercises that

710
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Speaker 2: are tied to religious fanaticism and fundamentalism and so forth.

711
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Speaker 2: But on the other hand, I think just like universally,

712
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Speaker 2: you know, all religions are trying to achieve certain goals

713
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 2: or trying to answer certain questions, you know, smaller questions,

714
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Speaker 2: individual questions, and of course broader universal cosmological questions, and

715
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Speaker 2: I think all of that's always interesting. So generally, I

716
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Speaker 2: think it is the latter that we're looking at when

717
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 2: we're bringing up religion, and in these particular apps, so's

718
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Speaker 2: we had a very specific focus that we were entertaining,

719
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Speaker 2: and that is, how do different faiths consider a world

720
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Speaker 2: before the creation or the emergence of reality.

721
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Speaker 4: Which is a factual and descriptive question, you know, apart

722
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Speaker 4: from how we might feel about just other doctrines of

723
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Speaker 4: the given religion or whatever. I guess another way I

724
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Speaker 4: would put it is just that I don't want to

725
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Speaker 4: let how I feel about something interfere with me give

726
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Speaker 4: understanding and giving an accurate description of what it is.

727
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Speaker 4: So you know, I feel like I want to get

728
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Speaker 4: to the descriptive understanding first, but that's not going to

729
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Speaker 4: stop me ultimately from having feelings about it.

730
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right, Well we're going to skip ahead

731
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Speaker 2: with to another listener mail here. This one is in

732
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Speaker 2: response to an Artifact episode I did a while back.

733
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: This was I think well over a year ago, but

734
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Speaker 2: it was on Roman dodecahedrons, and if you're wondering what

735
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: are those, well, I'm just gonna actually read from my

736
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Speaker 2: original script for this artifact. The Artifact and Monster Fact

737
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Speaker 2: episodes are scripted, as you know, by by ourselves, and

738
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Speaker 2: if I'm if I'm doing one, it's it's one that

739
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: I've scripted. So this is this is what I said

740
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Speaker 2: in the original episode. They're typically small, hollow objects with

741
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: twelve flat pentagonal faces cast from a copper alloy. Each

742
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: face has a hole of different size, and each corner

743
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: features a knob. The overall vibe is that of a

744
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: twelve sided die smashed up with an ancient Roman lament configuration,

745
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: with a dash of ornate incense burner and maybe like

746
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: bronze age coronavirus model look up, look, look up. Some

747
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: images of them. They are hard to describe, but once

748
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: you see them you might be like, oh, yeah, those things.

749
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Speaker 2: And there's not just one Roman do decahedron. It's not like, oh,

750
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Speaker 2: they found it and it's held here.

751
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Speaker 5: No.

752
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Speaker 2: According to a at the time the source I was

753
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Speaker 2: looking at it was a January twenty twenty four Smithsonian

754
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Speaker 2: magazine article by Sonia Anderson. Another mysterious Roman dodecahedron has

755
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Speaker 2: been unearthed in England, and in that article it says

756
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Speaker 2: that the current total stood at more than one hundred

757
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Speaker 2: to one hundred and thirty of these that were found

758
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Speaker 2: throughout the Roman Empire's northwest provinces, as well as thirty

759
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Speaker 2: three of those being from Roman Britain specifically. And so

760
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Speaker 2: there's been a lot of discussion among historians and even

761
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: a lot of like amateur historian energy going into the

762
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Speaker 2: question of what were these four You know, they're the Romans,

763
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Speaker 2: so you might think, well, they must have been used

764
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Speaker 2: for war, and so some have tried to answer that

765
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Speaker 2: could these be a weapon, But they're on the whole

766
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Speaker 2: a bit too fragile for that.

767
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Speaker 4: Generally, that sounds like it feels like the sex and violence,

768
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Speaker 4: bias and interpretation of ambiguous data.

769
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've talked.

770
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Speaker 4: About in biology. Actually, when there's an animal with an

771
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Speaker 4: unusual character, kind of visually interesting characteristic, people ask why

772
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 4: is that, And there's kind of a bias to assume

773
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Speaker 4: that it's either for fighting or for mating, which, of

774
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 4: course you know those are things animals do, so it

775
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 4: could be for that, but it might also be for

776
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Speaker 4: temperature regulation or the things that just don't come to

777
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 4: mind as easily because they're not as salient as sex

778
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Speaker 4: and violence.

779
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Speaker 2: Right, And then of course what you can you could

780
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: still potentially answer the question with used for war by

781
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: getting into some of the some other uses for it,

782
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: like saying maybe it was used to measure time or distance.

783
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: But I think this is a little shaky because you

784
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: get into you get into some analysis that that makes

785
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: it clear that well, maybe they're not really standardized sizes

786
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: in place here, so maybe it's not a measurement tool.

787
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: Folks disagree on this, Some say it might be a

788
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: holy symbol of some kind. There has actually been some

789
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: very interesting work that has gone into the hypothesis that

790
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: they could be knitting aids like that I used to

791
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 2: make gloves I think people have demonstrated how it could

792
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: possibly work, but my understanding and I haven't really looked

793
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: into it a lot recently, but last last I really

794
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: checked in. Most likely we're looking at something that was

795
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: somewhere between pure novelty and maybe religious symbol. But I

796
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: don't think we really know before, or we didn't until

797
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: we got this listener mail.

798
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Speaker 4: I think I just read this on the Wikipedia for them,

799
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 4: so I don't know how widely accepted this is. But

800
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 4: one idea that struck me as interesting is just that

801
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 4: it was a mimetic format to show off the skills

802
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 4: of a metal workers, kind of like the you know,

803
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 4: the test page that a printer prints you might have.

804
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 4: This is like, okay, you want to show me that

805
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: you could be in my metalworking apprentice, you got to

806
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 4: make one of these dodecahedrons.

807
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

808
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if.

809
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 4: That's widely accepted, but that that's just like we don't

810
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 4: often think about things like that, but those things are

811
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 4: present in our culture.

812
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

813
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: I think that that would be an that would be

814
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: a way you could file it under novel Like that's

815
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: a different type of novelty, Like it's not pure novelty

816
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: and that it does have a function, but it is

817
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: to perhaps to showcase skill and say like, this is

818
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: the sort of detailed work we could bring to your

819
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: decorative or functional project. Yeah, but anyway, Mike writes in

820
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: and says, yeah, way back in November twenty twenty four,

821
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: there was an Artifact episode about the mysterious Roman dodecahedrons.

822
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: The newest issue of Fantastic Four. In Marvel's The Fantastic

823
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: Four suggests they were created by mister Fantastic and Human Torch,

824
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: who had traveled through time to stop an alien invasion.

825
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: Mystery soft and Mike was kind of enough to include

826
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: some images from the comic book here, and yeah, that

827
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: seems to take care of it. These were created by

828
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: members of the Fantastic Four whilst time traveling.

829
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Speaker 4: So in the panel on the comic, it's showing a

830
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 4: museum display with one of these dotecahedrons behind glass, And

831
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: first there's a plaque that offers possible interpretations for what

832
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 4: it could have been used for. And then underneath the

833
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 4: plaque someone is the I guess the curator has taped

834
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 4: up a note saying never mind, they were made by superheroes.

835
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Speaker 2: We know this now, yep, yep, so I love that.

836
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: That's that's that's see, that's nice. I applauded.

837
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna read this message from Hannah. Hannah says, hi,

838
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: an unusual omnibus of random thoughts on sand. I thought

839
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 4: for sure you would have gotten a lot of letters

840
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: in this, but maybe there aren't as many kitchen tinkerers

841
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 4: out there who are apt to write in. But sanding

842
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 4: sugar is totally a thing. In the episode, you'd remarked

843
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 4: that while sand refers to a grain texture or a

844
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 4: grain size that could describe granulated sugar, it would feel

845
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 4: weird to say you put some sand in your coffee.

846
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 4: As it happens, sanding sugar is a coarse sugar, often

847
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 4: dyed a bright color, used for decorating baked treats. So

848
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: go ahead and throw that sand in your coffee.

849
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: After all, this is like the red and the green

850
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: sugary bets that you put on holiday cookies.

851
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 4: It's like glittery looking kind of sugar. Okay, often colored. Yeah,

852
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 4: Hannah goes on to say, weird house. Anyway, we could

853
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 4: get a Tarzan film in there. Just seems like a

854
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 4: summer thing. Smiley face. Thank you again for your wonderful

855
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: show and hours of companionship, and for humoring my emails

856
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 4: and suggestions warmly. Hannah, Well, thank you, thank you very much, Hannah.

857
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 4: Oh and then actually, so Rob responded to this email

858
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 4: and said, yeah, maybe we could do something Tarzan related.

859
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: And then in another reply, Hannah continues her thoughts on Tarzan.

860
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 4: She says, eightes ago in undergrad I fell down an

861
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 4: Edgar Rice Burrow's rabbit hole. There's some interesting and strange

862
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 4: tail takes on a lot of his stuff. Sometimes I

863
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 4: think of Tarzan media and Tarzan ripoffs parentheses Tourson's Ramzan's

864
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 4: I think maybe that's a grom reference as a as

865
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 4: a kind of litmus test for the phobias and fragilities

866
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 4: of that era's masculinity. What is idealized or exaggerated most,

867
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 4: who is the enemy? What's his relationship with Jane Food

868
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 4: for thinking so, thank you, Hannah. And also this made

869
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 4: me realize I don't think I've ever seen a full

870
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 4: Tarzan film. I do have very I think I've mentioned

871
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 4: this on the show before. I do have very vivid

872
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: memories of watching at least parts of the movie Gray

873
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 4: Stoke with Christoph Lambert on TV when I was a kid.

874
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 4: I don't think I saw the whole thing, but I

875
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 4: really remember a scene where Ian Holme is running around

876
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 4: in the jungle in a pith helmet and he gets

877
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 4: shot with a bunch of arrows, and then Christoph Lambert

878
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 4: comes out of the forest in a loin cloth and

879
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 4: heals him or something. I think maybe takes him back

880
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: to his Ape family to take care of him. I

881
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 4: do know that somehow Tarzan of the Apes in up

882
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 4: on the planet Mars. I don't know how that happens,

883
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 4: but I am aware that's a thing. So if there's

884
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 4: a movie of that seems up our.

885
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: Alley, Yeah, yeah, I mean Edgar Rice Burroughs was quite

886
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: a dreamer and has several different worlds that he spent

887
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: a lot of time in, you know, multiple books that

888
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: take place there. So I would love to get into

889
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: some like either. Yeah, I would love to just do

890
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: a Tarzan movie at some point, if we could find

891
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: a good one. That's maybe a little bit weird, and

892
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 2: we haven't really done a proper like Beefcake movie in

893
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: a stretch here. I don't think we've had like a

894
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: Hercules movie or even a film, yeah, or even a

895
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: proper luchador movie. But now that I say that, I

896
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: realized we do have we do sort of have a

897
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: beefcake movie coming up, so or at least it's half beefcake.

898
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 2: You know, it's an Adam and Eve movie, so fifty

899
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 2: percent beefcake. But as far as Edgar Rice Burrows goes that,

900
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: there are a couple of film adaptations of his of

901
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: his work that are on the list that we might

902
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: come back to. I think both the ones, for me,

903
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: he does not play Tarzan, but I think both of

904
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: them do feature Doug McClure.

905
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 5: Who is it was?

906
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: It was a terrifically entertaining actor.

907
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 3: George Kennedy ever played Tarzan?

908
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: About Johnnyngar, Oh yeah, I mean not that I know of,

909
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: But I did go down a rabbit hole looking at Tarzan.

910
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: There was there was some sort of a weird nineties

911
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: Tarzan adaptation that that had some some weird folks involved

912
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: in it.

913
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: Wait, are you not thinking of gray Stoke.

914
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm not thinking of Gray Stark. No, Graystoke. Greystoke is

915
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 2: supposed to be tremendous. I mean that was I think

916
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: the only Tarzan movie that was nominated for Academy award

917
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: or won some Academy awards. But the one that was

918
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: on that I came up in my search is one

919
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: of those situations where it's a TV movie but it's

920
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: also technically like three episodes or four episodes of a

921
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: TV show, and that is Tarzan the Epic Adventures from

922
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six. And the director was none other than

923
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: Brian Yuzna, who we've talked about on the show before.

924
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of great like slimy body horror

925
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: energy there, and this one looks like it might be fun,

926
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: could be fun. I'm not sure, but it definitely got

927
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 2: my attention, certainly an example of like nineties Tarzan weirdness.

928
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 4: Trying to think what straight up Brian Yazna film I've seen.

929
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 4: I think of him mainly as a collaborator with Stuart Gordon,

930
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 4: but maybe I can't tell which one made which films.

931
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they've they've worked together a lot. I mean

932
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: as a director, just glancing real quick, trying to remember Society.

933
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 5: Was a big one of course that he helmed.

934
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: He did some reanimator sequels, He did an Ecronomicon Book

935
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: of the Dead that we considered for Weird House, but

936
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 2: then shied away from an anthology and some some installments

937
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: and then anthology are better than others.

938
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 4: An necronomicon movie has it has some high highs, but

939
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 4: then it also just has some some segments are just

940
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 4: gross and difficult to get through.

941
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

942
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like if we do more anthology uh

943
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: selections for Weird House, we should have a standard rule

944
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: that we get to skip one anthology segment, like if

945
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: we want to, we can cover them all, but we

946
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: get one pass.

947
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 4: So because like two that are fun and one that's miserable.

948
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the case that we get to we

949
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: get to skip one, and we can recommend that to

950
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: listeners as well if they so so desire cool.

951
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 4: Oh I see that Yasna made the film Beyond Reanimator,

952
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 4: which has that song reanimate.

953
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: Your feet or that's right, move your.

954
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 4: Dead bones, bones bones, Yeah, reanimate your feet.

955
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: Look that one up, folks.

956
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you have folks out there, if you

957
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: have any Tarzan recommendations or Tarzan like media, right in

958
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: and we will definitely consider it.

959
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 4: All right, you want to wrap up by doing a

960
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 4: few Weird House cinema messages.

961
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 5: All right?

962
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, let's properly get into some weird house

963
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: feedback here. This one comes to us from Mike subject

964
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: movie suggestion, Hey, Joe and Rob. I was looking something

965
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: up on IMDb and ran into a movie that might

966
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 2: be right up your alley from two thousand and five.

967
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 2: Gingerbread Man, a Charles Band director parody of Child's play.

968
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: Gary Busey plays the dead psycho apparently brought back to

969
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: life as a giant gingerbread cookie. If you guys haven't

970
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: already covered this, I think you ought to look into it.

971
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: Just the fact that it was directed by Charles Band

972
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: is enough to almost make it qualify Mike.

973
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 4: I don't know if our spirits are strong enough. Also,

974
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 4: I think, Mike, I think the I think the autocorrect

975
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 4: to gotcha, it's not gingerbread Man.

976
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 3: It is Ginger dead Man, Buddy.

977
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ginger dead Man. Yeah.

978
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: This is a I mean they are multiple Ginger, Ginger

979
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: dead Man and Killer Bong. They're part of you know,

980
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: the the sort of the more recent world. And by recent,

981
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: I guess it's like the last couple of decades at least.

982
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: Of Charles Band's directorial and production work, it is generally

983
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 2: content that is maybe a little bit I don't know,

984
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: a little a little bit more self aware than I

985
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 2: like my horror. I'm more of an earlier Charles Band fan. However,

986
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 2: you know, I'm loath to dismiss it completely. I haven't

987
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: seen it, so it might be a real gas it.

988
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: It does look I mean, it's it does look interesting.

989
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, but but yeah, the question is are

990
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: we ready for it?

991
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 4: Movies like this sometimes can just feel kind of overly

992
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 4: lazily ironic to me in a way that that actually

993
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 4: kind of blunts the enjoyment of the absurdity. I I

994
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 4: feel like there needs to be some at some level,

995
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 4: some kind of earnestness in a movie like this for

996
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 4: it to work. It can be maybe partially ironic, but

997
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 4: something there needs to be some ambition about it, if

998
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 4: that makes sense.

999
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. But then again, I love

1000
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: a monster mashup. I love a versus, and there is

1001
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: a Ginger dead Man versus Evil Bong. So I don't know,

1002
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: And maybe that's where I should just skip right to that.

1003
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 4: Maybe, thank you, thank you, Mike the different mic.

1004
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, should we call it there for today?

1005
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: I guess so, Yeah, Ginger dead Man good place to

1006
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: leave it. But yeah, we'll just go ahead and make

1007
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: the usual call out here. If you have anything to

1008
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,120
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1009
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1010
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1017
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1018
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1019
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1020
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1022
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