WEBVTT - Deception

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Done done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yay, that's messed up an SVU podcast. We have another

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<v Speaker 2>episode coming to you. My name is Lisa Traeger.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Kara Klank, and yeah, we do a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast about Law and Order SVU. We talk about the episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about the true crimes they're based on, and

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<v Speaker 1>we speak to a guest sometimes. And before that we

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<v Speaker 1>like to catch up because now we live on zupper

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<v Speaker 1>coasts and this is our moment to see what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>What's up with you, what's up with me?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up? Honestly, I really predictable. I would say it's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Bravo, a lot of Soul Cycle and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of comedy so and a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I bought a couple tel fars and that's just.

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<v Speaker 4>I yeah, basic And anyway, you know what your business

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<v Speaker 4>manager said that that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Fine, Yeah, it's fine. Well I want a clear bag

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<v Speaker 2>for the beach. Great, I want a beach bag, baby, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And but that's That's pretty much it I have. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I had something new and exciting, but you told

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<v Speaker 2>me about an update. What is it?

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<v Speaker 4>What's happening?

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, okay, wait, I have a little update on

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<v Speaker 1>one of the true crimes that we have covered when

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<v Speaker 1>we did the Sherry Rasmussen murder, the woman who is

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<v Speaker 1>based on the other Marcia gay Hearted episode where she

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<v Speaker 1>is she kills her boyfriend's new her ex boyfriend's like

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<v Speaker 1>new wife, and then she hit it for years and

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<v Speaker 1>she was an LAPD detective. So her parole, she'd been

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<v Speaker 1>granted parole back in life, I think November or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and recently they're reconsidering it. They're reconsidering the parole and

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<v Speaker 1>her family is the family of the victim is thrilled,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, but there.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you do that? I didn't even know you can

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<v Speaker 4>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically like Gavin Newsome asked for a There's some

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<v Speaker 1>word they use, like like I now, I can't find

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<v Speaker 1>the word, but it's basically like they think maybe there

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<v Speaker 1>was something not cool that went on with the decision

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<v Speaker 1>to give her parole, and so they're asking them to

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<v Speaker 1>like re examine it. He's asking them to like, re

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<v Speaker 1>examine it. The parole grant for her, so how much

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<v Speaker 1>time served? Because if it's a few decades, I'm okay

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<v Speaker 1>with it. But if it's less, it's like you were

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<v Speaker 1>part of law enforcement and committed crime and hit it

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<v Speaker 1>Like no, no, no, no, you don't get to just

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<v Speaker 1>run around town, right right, But if you serve twenty

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<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So she was convicted in March of twenty two, twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>She committed the crime in eighty six, so she got

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<v Speaker 1>away with it for a long ass time. No better

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<v Speaker 1>ask back in jail, what did she do? Have sex

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<v Speaker 1>for parole? I'm thinking two orange is the new black?

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<v Speaker 1>But like, what was shady about it?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like she had a personal connection with someone

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<v Speaker 2>and because she's law enforcement, like, there's no fucking way

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<v Speaker 2>you murder get away with it for decades and only

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<v Speaker 2>serve eight what I think.

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<v Speaker 1>She served eleven when she got parole, But now they're

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<v Speaker 1>keeping her and.

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<v Speaker 4>I would be pissed if I was her.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair, I mean that is that's tough to think you're

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<v Speaker 2>out and then you're not. But I don't have like

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<v Speaker 2>sympathy for this person, right right.

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<v Speaker 4>And so we will see she was an.

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<v Speaker 1>Art theft investigator, remember, and like she hid this whole

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<v Speaker 1>fucking murder and it was a twenty seven year to

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<v Speaker 1>life prison sentence but she got after serving eleven. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I need to see you up there closer

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Girl, That's what I mean. Yeah, if there was double digit,

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<v Speaker 2>not eleven, like an actual double digit. I heard it

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<v Speaker 2>here first, eleven is no longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Counting, no, no longer famously a single digit number.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but yeah, like you also, like you also for

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<v Speaker 5>twenty five years or something like, lived your life and

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<v Speaker 5>hid this family, had no closure.

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<v Speaker 4>That's like torture, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And your law enforcement you should have worst penalties, like

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<v Speaker 2>to me, if you are on the side of the law,

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<v Speaker 2>you should have were Yeah, it should be worse. You

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<v Speaker 2>should get your fingers chopped off. Go back to Hammurabi.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say it like I'm saying it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Aladdin Hammurabi's Aladdin. Yes, No, but Amarabie is I think

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<v Speaker 2>a real person and time frame.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was like, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying it correctly, Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>It kind of sounds like halloumi And now I just

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<v Speaker 4>want cheese and I love Halloumi so much. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the best cheese. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm open to experiencing Hallumi in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>I love.

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<v Speaker 1>What's that place in New York I used to get

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<v Speaker 1>delicious Hallumi.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like right by where you live. It's Cafe Mogador. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>are you impressed? And oh wait, I was talking to

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<v Speaker 2>someone I for Oh god, I have no memory anymore

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<v Speaker 2>of anything. But they mentioned one word about SVU. They

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<v Speaker 2>were like, oh, the child ended up being the pedophile.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, did he have a bowl cut and he

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<v Speaker 2>was addicted to porn because his dad worked too much.

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<v Speaker 2>But they first thought it was the Jewish sect and

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<v Speaker 2>they go, yeah, that that is what I mentioned. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just one word. Your illness is showing. Well, another

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<v Speaker 2>illness has started. I don't know how deep you are

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<v Speaker 2>into the new Drag Race All Stars nine. The first one,

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<v Speaker 2>the first one, you know they released the second for

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<v Speaker 2>us and the stuff. Yeah, the second one's available and

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<v Speaker 2>it's pit Stop and Fashion Photo Reviewer out too, So

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<v Speaker 2>I got a full experience.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so you know, I don't know how to think.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless you Tube tells me how to think about the

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<v Speaker 2>Queens you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you what were you gonna Were you gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>something else about drag Race or just that you watched it.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't love that there's no steaks like that is

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<v Speaker 2>hard we're going to say because even for the first

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<v Speaker 2>one where no one went home, it did have like

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<v Speaker 2>the there were just more stakes because now we're also

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<v Speaker 2>playing for charity. And I bet even if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>win a lot, they're going to donate a certain minimum

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<v Speaker 2>to your charity, right I I They're not gonna leave

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<v Speaker 2>like trans homeless kids on the loose, like because you

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<v Speaker 2>know their person didn't win a challenge because.

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<v Speaker 1>The yeah, the the winners were going for money in

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<v Speaker 1>the All Winner season, they were going for money right

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<v Speaker 1>like that they were going to earn. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>should be like you win this big prize and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's matched to your donation or something like. I need

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<v Speaker 1>there to be a reason that they're all competing like

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<v Speaker 1>and then they're key king too much.

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<v Speaker 2>There's having too much fun and I need a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of not violence. But I just want the edge

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm not really getting. And they all know each

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<v Speaker 2>other so well and love each other, and they revere

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<v Speaker 2>each other and it's just a little too positive for me.

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<v Speaker 1>You're using all of the words that I've been using

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<v Speaker 1>on a chat with other people the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, there's no edge. It's like a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit too positive.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit too like look, look, look, I

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely get that drag is like under fire right now

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<v Speaker 1>certain states people are psychotically equivalent, like, you know, equating

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<v Speaker 1>drag with like child molesters.

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<v Speaker 4>It's insane and but.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a little bit of like drag is also like

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<v Speaker 1>edgy and like and then it's like we just get

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<v Speaker 1>these musicals that are like drag will save the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm kind of like, a, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I got the same with the song. I'm like, can

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<v Speaker 2>we just have a little more fun? I don't need

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<v Speaker 2>a we are the world? Yeah, I don't are the world.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's like, but like I like that they tell

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<v Speaker 4>people to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that they like try to say we like

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<v Speaker 1>that they had that the message is but I think

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<v Speaker 1>that just by existing and doing what you want and

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<v Speaker 1>doing like cool numbers and funny references and stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>that and stuff that's edgy, Like you are existing and

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<v Speaker 1>you are on this platform that is doing that job

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<v Speaker 1>for you, but maybe this is coming off like my

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<v Speaker 1>like my Barbie problems, which was like, oh, don't we

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<v Speaker 1>all know feminism is good? But like you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are some parts of the country where maybe they need

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<v Speaker 1>this hammered into them more. But I for for me,

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<v Speaker 1>for like what drag is supposed to be, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a little bit too And I know where

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming from. I've worked on the show, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>know who's responsible basically for all of this, like all

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<v Speaker 1>of this like go like cis boom ba like raw

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<v Speaker 1>raw drag stuff, which I agree with of course a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand times.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm just like and even.

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<v Speaker 2>Though the song, like I think we both are, like.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a little corny.

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<v Speaker 2>They are incredible, Yeah, can tell that they're all stars,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they truly are also good. There's not even a

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<v Speaker 2>slip I mean there is a slip up Nina West unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you haven't even seen the second one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I haven't seen the second Sorry to be uh

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<v Speaker 2>it's a ball Okay, Okay, you got it's just disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>You need taste, you need a little bit of taste.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, it could be it could be bad. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. You'll you'll see it. But plast Seek's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the queens. I love them, I love them

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out. It's just not why No.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all gorgeous. That's why it's all stars. They're beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gorgeous. I need steaks.

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<v Speaker 4>I need a reason why am I watching this?

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<v Speaker 2>Like why?

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<v Speaker 4>Like you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, because if my friend was saying, if it's for charity,

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<v Speaker 1>then why not just have like a new group of

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<v Speaker 1>queens every week and just make it like that's like

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<v Speaker 1>a new.

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<v Speaker 2>Form of the show. They're also no one is mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like Roxy Andrews is helping everyone and she has this

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<v Speaker 2>positive positive and I just can we And maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm so used to playing Jane now, but I yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of sh And they.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the read they did the reads. The reads were

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<v Speaker 1>good in the mini and they were fun. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>glad because you know, I famously worked on a season

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<v Speaker 1>where the reading challenge got canceled because they all like

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't read each other.

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<v Speaker 4>Because that was a young season. That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>The youth. They don't like mean. The youth are different

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<v Speaker 2>than us, and it's a it's a more sensitive positive

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<v Speaker 2>self accepting. They don't like what's it called when you

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<v Speaker 2>make fun of yourself deprecating? Deprecating?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like that, and I just feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>need and I've been listening to a lot of Tricksy

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<v Speaker 1>and Contio's podcast, so forgive me.

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<v Speaker 4>I know people don't like this word.

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<v Speaker 1>I need more cuntiness, Like I need a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more cuntiness, Like I would have liked that first musical

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<v Speaker 1>number to be like them all going out being like

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<v Speaker 1>this is why I'm gonna fucking win because I'm the shit,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and like doing that, and then let's.

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<v Speaker 4>Do the little drag saves the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Like in three episodes or something, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know. I just was like that was

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<v Speaker 1>a little I'm obviously gonna keep watching and love it.

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<v Speaker 4>I will continue watching.

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<v Speaker 2>Also the pit Stop, like I love when Violet Shotski

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<v Speaker 2>comes to town and she's the second episode and your

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<v Speaker 2>episode I guess of the pit Stop with Trixy is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most watched of all time, but number one,

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<v Speaker 2>Like she really is such a bitch, but it's perfect.

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<v Speaker 4>Who read got meic?

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<v Speaker 2>Like that? You?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, congratulations on like all your success and

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<v Speaker 1>becoming Violet Tatchki's assistant or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, they asked her about it, and

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<v Speaker 2>she goes, well, she is and she's actually doing a

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<v Speaker 2>bad job.

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<v Speaker 4>So if someone can apply.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Violet. But Violet, even though they're drag family,

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<v Speaker 2>like on the pit Stop, she legit had a different

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<v Speaker 2>favorite and like, you know, she's not she's not biased

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<v Speaker 2>in that kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Wait, I gotta get I gotta get into the

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<v Speaker 1>pets Shop.

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<v Speaker 4>You would love it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like Tricksy and another queen just talking jokes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I'm so. I mean, I love Bob and Trixie.

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<v Speaker 2>They got the jokes. They got the jokes. Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 2>very popular.

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<v Speaker 4>On the internet. So it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you you were just I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about this, but you just mentioned that

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<v Speaker 1>you went to a New York city first for you, you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't went to a place you'd never been before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I was talking to a friend Sam J

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<v Speaker 2>and I had mentioned that I've never been to the

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<v Speaker 2>Blue Note and she loves it. Oh and so I

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<v Speaker 2>was just like getting off stage at another venue and

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<v Speaker 2>I had an hour and a half, maybe two hours

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<v Speaker 2>to kill until my late spot and I got a

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<v Speaker 2>text like serendipitous from the world and that said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a table, you should come, And so I

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<v Speaker 2>got in a car and I zipped on over and

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<v Speaker 2>it was all sold out and I got to be like,

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<v Speaker 2>my friend has a table, So that felt nice. But

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<v Speaker 2>I just, you know, I only know about jazz clubs

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<v Speaker 2>from Sex City, but these guys are incredible and she

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<v Speaker 2>is really in depth with her knowledge. So she's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he played on Genuine's album, he played on this album.

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<v Speaker 2>He went on tour with Eric Abadu, like sh she

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<v Speaker 2>knew about them, and I just the trombones were amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I told her, I go, the trombones are

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite. She goes, everything's a boy band to you,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta pick one, and I go, yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that is me.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, I don't, man.

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<v Speaker 2>But the only thing that sucks is like it is

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<v Speaker 2>a tourist, super white, old Midwestern vibe, and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>these musicians being like can someone move a little bit?

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<v Speaker 4>Like can someone give a whoo?

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, just like families at the like at twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're tired. They went to the Statue of Liberty

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<v Speaker 2>in the day type of vibe. And that's how I

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<v Speaker 2>feel at Kingston Minds in Chicago, where it's like the

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<v Speaker 2>most soulful, incredible musicians, and then the crowd is just

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<v Speaker 2>rhythmless whites, Like I don't really know how to say it,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're used to it.

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<v Speaker 4>They're making money.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>I also I wonder also if it's like like.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love nothing more than chair dancing, Like nothing

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<v Speaker 2>makes me happier than sitting.

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<v Speaker 4>And being able to move my body, like like move

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<v Speaker 4>your upper body only. Yes, yes, we love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a wink from one of the musicians because

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<v Speaker 2>he could tell I was really trying to woo and

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<v Speaker 2>respond in a way that wasn't as dead as so

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<v Speaker 2>many of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wonder if they're used to it because you're

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<v Speaker 1>putting it on it, Like when you go to the

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<v Speaker 1>zoo and you see the animal that's alone. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>they told you these animals don't need to be with

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else or whatever. We are used to, like why

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<v Speaker 1>is there no response? We're comedian, like you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>you want to and like I was at a jet

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<v Speaker 1>So when I lived in Rome, i lived across the

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<v Speaker 1>street literally the same tiny little street from this jazz

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<v Speaker 1>club in Rome that's called Alexander Platz and it's where

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<v Speaker 1>talents mister Ripley has a scene and it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>very famous jazz club. And I went there with my

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<v Speaker 1>Italian friends one night and I remember it's like we

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<v Speaker 1>were drinking. I think we're probably smoking cigarettes because you

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't you can you could then, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>would just like whisper something to a friend and they'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like like it was like the vibe was like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't speak, don't talk to your friends. This is about

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here motionless and watching jazz.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, okay, you know that's how the

0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Green Mill in Chicago is, like I you can like

0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.960
<v Speaker 2>secretly get fingered in a booth. I guess otherwise you

0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.960
<v Speaker 2>have to be pretty silent at this. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed like they'd be like who knows the words?

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<v Speaker 2>But no, you're right that they are one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>used to it. But then Sam J was telling me

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<v Speaker 2>the next night there was gonna be a tap dancer

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<v Speaker 2>who was on Sesame Street and he learned from Gregory

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<v Speaker 2>Hines and that he's like this, like you know, black hero.

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<v Speaker 2>And I go but will they be performed, Like is

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<v Speaker 2>he gonna tap dance with this crowd? And they go no,

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<v Speaker 2>a black, that signal has gone out, like it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>the different crowd, So I'll have to ask her about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it Savion Glover? That's exactly who it was?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Savion Glover is well yeah, and then they mic

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<v Speaker 2>the ground. I wish I knew, so I could have

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<v Speaker 2>been cooler, but they mic the ground and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the musicians she knows plays as he tap dances. But

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if for certain shows there's different you know,

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<v Speaker 2>audiences or whatnot. But it was cool and I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to go again. But it's tough when you get to

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<v Speaker 2>go VIP and then what are you gonna do? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Just look it in general? Yeah yeah, I can't do that. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll have to figure it out. I also fail, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so and we'll moving. But famously, I never know when

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<v Speaker 2>anyone's on cocaine, Like it's just kind of auffla of

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<v Speaker 2>mine superpower. I'm always tired and I don't have it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then later I'm like, oh, they were on coke.

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<v Speaker 2>So I found another blind spot. I was talking to

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<v Speaker 2>someone that's really into soul cycle like I am. And

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about all the teachers and there's one

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<v Speaker 2>that's like incredibly built, like a great god. And they

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<v Speaker 2>were like, well, he's on steroids. I go, no, they go, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>he does is burn like anyone that chiseled is on steroids.

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<v Speaker 4>What They're like, can't you tell he's moody.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, he is moody, and they're like, he's burning

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<v Speaker 2>so many calories. There's no way he is maintaining that

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<v Speaker 2>body from just soul cycle. And I go, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like so stupid. I don't know steroids or cocaine.

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<v Speaker 1>Wilhelm and Alaska talked about this one time on their

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<v Speaker 1>podcast where they were like, any guy you know that

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<v Speaker 1>is just like super super fucking jacked kind of out

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<v Speaker 1>of nowhere. And I think they were talking specific about

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<v Speaker 1>gay guys, but they were like, he has done a circuit,

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<v Speaker 1>is doing circuit of.

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<v Speaker 4>Steroids, like uh you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, okay, Like because that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been for me. I would have been like, WHOA

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of protein powder? Like I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>people are doing to get jacked, you know, Like no.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he counted as macroism, Like I assume just

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<v Speaker 2>eating a lot of protein like nipping my wildest dreams,

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<v Speaker 2>but it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 4>His ass is just like phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I went to I went to an equally iconic

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<v Speaker 1>place as the Blue Note. I did go to Jackson's

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<v Speaker 1>Bar yesterday last night. I'll tell a well, listen, I

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<v Speaker 1>am loath to give. This is Jack's from vander Pump Rules,

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<v Speaker 1>who is now on a show called The Valley. Unless

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<v Speaker 1>you're not a Bravo head like us, And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>really watching The Valley. But I think I mentioned to

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<v Speaker 1>you before. I was going with a friend who wanted

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<v Speaker 1>We were trying to give our friend a little pick

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<v Speaker 1>me up night and she wanted to go there, and

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't watching The Valley, so I quickly watched two episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you watched your watching? I'm actually shocked you're not

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<v Speaker 2>watching The Valley. I am now, but I've watched two episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shocked I'm not watching The Valley and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be watching Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>When I watched it, I was like, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>like the natural progression for me, Like I also have kids,

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<v Speaker 1>like and live in la and I think, like I

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<v Speaker 1>would think that it was a fun, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of wild drama going on, so it's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So we went and when we got there, we had

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<v Speaker 1>a little picnic table. There are so many TV setups,

0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.520
<v Speaker 1>so it's like, honestly a really great place to watch

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<v Speaker 1>a show. So I did watch the vander Pump reunion

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<v Speaker 1>because I was there, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Then that's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we all watched the vander pub reunion and

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<v Speaker 1>then then the Valley episode came on, and they came,

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<v Speaker 1>like a bunch of them came. So it was Kristin

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<v Speaker 1>came and like they were all very casual. Kristin was

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<v Speaker 1>in like leggings like and a shirt, like wearing makeup,

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<v Speaker 1>but like she was dressed down and she came with

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<v Speaker 1>her dog.

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<v Speaker 4>And then Brittany was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Wearing a T shirt that said my boyfriend's out of town,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, interesting and that could barely contain

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<v Speaker 1>her huge boobs. I'm sorry she got her boobs done

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<v Speaker 1>to a size that is not good for her body

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I hate Jacks for like making her get

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<v Speaker 1>a huge boob job. And then the girl who's the

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<v Speaker 1>beauty queen with the three kids who just had the twins,

0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.040
<v Speaker 1>she was there, and she was very sweet and took

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<v Speaker 1>a picture with our friends. So it was an experience.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had Mima's beer cheese.

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<v Speaker 2>No was the FAA drinks good.

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<v Speaker 1>I had already had dinner, So everybody kind of ordered

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<v Speaker 1>wings and like buffalo cauliflower and stuff like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just ate a little bit of the beer cheese

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<v Speaker 1>with the pretzel and I did enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 4>It had like a kick to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what beer cheese is supposed to taste, like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think it's going to be successful long term? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of people there for this, And

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is is like if they do play sporting events,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't been to a bar like it was just

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<v Speaker 1>like rows of TVs on every wall, and I think

0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.280
<v Speaker 1>it would be and then picnic tables. So I do

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<v Speaker 1>think it's kind of the I think it's the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of place where your girlfriend will go with you to

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<v Speaker 1>watch a sports game because it's not gross, and the

0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.360
<v Speaker 1>menu is like a little bit more elevated than just

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<v Speaker 1>like wings and fries, you know, but like and then

0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.000
<v Speaker 1>there's you know, there's like a decent glass of rose

0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:14.480
<v Speaker 1>on the menu. You know. It's not like going to

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<v Speaker 1>a full sports bar, but that it has all these

0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:19.880
<v Speaker 1>TVs and stuff. But there were tons of people there.

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<v Speaker 1>They were taking pictures with everybody. They were being really nice.

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<v Speaker 2>The best, so you said, you know, unfortunately Brittany was

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<v Speaker 2>demolished by an old, horrible sociopath and everyone did warn her.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know what I feel. But who looked great?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Kristin looked great, like like, Kristin looked great.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, you know, cause I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>I think she's.

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<v Speaker 1>Looks different from vander Pump now to the Valley, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes it's her clothing choices where I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>like this doesn't like sit well on you this outfit.

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<v Speaker 1>But she looked really cute and she was nice, and

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<v Speaker 1>yeah it was it was could you ask.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyone for photos? Okay, So here's what happened. I didn't care.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really care because I just I go, I

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<v Speaker 1>just started watching the show two days ago, like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really care.

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<v Speaker 4>But they were like they really wanted to take a

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<v Speaker 4>picture with Kristin.

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<v Speaker 1>So our one friend that we were with, this girl, Casey,

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<v Speaker 1>she goes, I'm just gonna go ask. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go ask, like she'd had like two three skinny margaritas,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I'm just gonna go ask her,

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<v Speaker 1>but Kristin was in like a pretty intense conversation with someone,

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<v Speaker 1>so she like bent down and went up to her,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kristin did not even look and her didn't even move,

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<v Speaker 1>so she just went, oh my god. I just like

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<v Speaker 1>retreated and was like, oh my god, that was a

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<v Speaker 1>fail that didn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>And then it was so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>So then when I saw the conversation like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>come to a close, I went up to her and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Hi, my friends really want to get a

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<v Speaker 1>picture with you. Do you mind, And she goes, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, of course. I go, my friend just tried

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<v Speaker 1>to say hi to you and you were in a conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>And she goes, oh, I know, I felt so bad,

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<v Speaker 1>And I go, she's mortified. So if you guys could

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<v Speaker 1>talk it out, like I kind of tried to like

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<v Speaker 1>work it out. So then they did a picture with her,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I got in a picture with the girl

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<v Speaker 1>with the kids, Nia, the girl who's like the beauty

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<v Speaker 1>queen that does jiu jitsu or whatever, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know.

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<v Speaker 4>Who she is, and did she look drop dead stunning?

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<v Speaker 1>She was so beautiful and she was like someone was

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<v Speaker 1>taking a picture of us. Oh it was our friend

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren was taking the picture and uh, Neo was like

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<v Speaker 1>flash like went in and like got her phone, like

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<v Speaker 1>put the flash on, like knew how to knew her

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<v Speaker 1>best light. And she was not wrong because in the

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<v Speaker 1>photos she did look better with the flash on. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was my fun little eve last night.

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<v Speaker 2>It was huge and I'm shocked you didn't start with

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<v Speaker 2>that immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember that I did that, Like I wake

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<v Speaker 1>up every morning and I'm like, what's happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>past ten days? I don't know my memories scrub scrubbed

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<v Speaker 1>clean every day like I'm in fifty first dates. And

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<v Speaker 1>we will start the episode, yeah, but I would just

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<v Speaker 1>like to say fuck Lala, and we'll talk about vander

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<v Speaker 1>Pump Reunion three afterward next Yes, yes she I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even watching this season, but I was like, girl, you

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<v Speaker 1>are not this is not happening for you right now,

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<v Speaker 1>like her, your dumb are bad, Laala, You're so stupid,

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<v Speaker 1>And we will start, okay, thank you, yeah, really quickly

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<v Speaker 4>We are doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Deception, very a very vague title for season four, episode two.

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<v Speaker 1>This baby came out two thousand and two, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen this one like twenty five times. This is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ones I've seen so so so many times.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say a favorite for sure. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not lighthearted, but no like soap operash totally. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>death and sad. But and it took us forever because

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<v Speaker 2>we really pushed for the guests. Yeah, we tried hard

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<v Speaker 2>for you, and I wanted tot get her hands or

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<v Speaker 2>any of it, any of them.

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<v Speaker 1>We went through friends of guests we've had on that

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<v Speaker 1>are friends with these people, and we still couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>anybody to commit, but it's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>We needed to bring you the episode so their loss.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't get to talk to us.

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<v Speaker 1>So we open on Olivia talking to a little girl

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<v Speaker 1>named Chloe in a school library and they called in

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<v Speaker 1>the big.

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<v Speaker 4>Guns because Chloe drew something weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The picture is of her, her mother and her half brother, Kyle,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the drawing she's crying and her dad's not

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<v Speaker 1>in the drawing because he's out of town. And Olivia

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<v Speaker 1>is like, is someone hurting you? And she says, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. And she's super cute, this little girl, She's

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<v Speaker 1>very cute. And now Elliet is walking down the stairs

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<v Speaker 1>of the school talking to Chloe's teacher, who says Chloe's

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<v Speaker 1>usually happy and outgoing, but lately has been withdrawn and

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<v Speaker 1>she noticed bruises. I mean, this is classic when the

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<v Speaker 1>school should be calling law enforcement or authorities. So Stabler says,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take her to the hospital for an exam,

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<v Speaker 1>but the teacher is like, well what do I tell her?

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<v Speaker 1>Extremely high strung dad. He's a yeller, a corporate mogul type.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Laurence Fuller, and Elliott recognizes his name

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<v Speaker 1>because Fuller Telecom is on his cable bill.

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<v Speaker 4>So it'd be like if you were a.

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<v Speaker 1>Teacher and one of the guys at your school was

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<v Speaker 1>named Spectrum or something like that for me. So the

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<v Speaker 1>teacher adds, oh, and her mother is Gloria Stanfield, an actress,

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<v Speaker 1>which is such a Neil Bear name like these are.

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<v Speaker 1>This is episode is from the Neil Bear like generation,

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<v Speaker 1>and that just feels like Gloria Stanfield sounds like an

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<v Speaker 1>old timey actress from the forties, and the teacher's like

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<v Speaker 1>she did a few movies about ten years back, so

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't sound like she's still a popular actress, but

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<v Speaker 1>enough that she has some name recognition. Back to Olivia

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Chloe, who says she sat in the picture

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<v Speaker 1>because quote, Mommy loves Kyle more than me, and she

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<v Speaker 1>reads him stories but not her. They close the door

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<v Speaker 1>and she's not allowed to go in there, but one

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<v Speaker 1>time she went in because she heard noises and she

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<v Speaker 1>thought mommy was crying, but they were playing in bed

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<v Speaker 1>with no clothes on.

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<v Speaker 2>Done.

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<v Speaker 1>Done, We're at the credits. Okay, what's happening here At

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital. The doctor is telling the detectives that Chloe

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<v Speaker 1>shows no sign of sexual abuse, just bruises on her shins,

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<v Speaker 1>which is typical of a five year old.

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<v Speaker 4>And I can back that up.

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<v Speaker 1>Rosie is bruised, baby healed wrist and tibia fractures though,

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<v Speaker 1>but she doesn't remember how she got them. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the dad is there and I recognize him immediately. And

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<v Speaker 1>the actor's named Tom Mason. He has seventy five IMDb

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<v Speaker 1>credits and he has acted for decades.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that how I know him?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I know him because he is from a classic

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<v Speaker 1>episode of s You called Families, and he plays Jason Conner,

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<v Speaker 1>a man who has two families and acts that accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>leads to a brother and a sister.

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<v Speaker 4>Fucking.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a favorite that Lisa and I have done

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<v Speaker 1>at our live shows and we love it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not based on a true crime as far as

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<v Speaker 1>we know, and that's why we haven't done it on

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<v Speaker 1>the pod, but it's a classic one of the camp y,

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<v Speaker 1>are or crazier episodes with the line.

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<v Speaker 2>I had sex with my sister, So.

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<v Speaker 4>We love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Here he is Lawrence Fuller and he wants answers on

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<v Speaker 1>why his little cloak clow is in the hospital, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the detectives get some info out of him. They're like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's with the tibia the wrist, and he's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>she was three, she fell off a slide.

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<v Speaker 4>That would make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't remember that, really, because I think that kids

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<v Speaker 1>don't really start making memories until they're four or five,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like, why am I spending money on these

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<v Speaker 1>birthday parties?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Elliott breaks it to him that Chloe seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>indicating that there might be a sexual relationship going on

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<v Speaker 1>between his wife and his son. So, just so you

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<v Speaker 1>know the family dynamics, the son Kyle is from the

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<v Speaker 1>dad's previous relationship. The guy is wavering between pissed at

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<v Speaker 1>the cops but also suspicious of his wife, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna find out what the hell is going on here

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<v Speaker 1>Back in the squad room, school records show that Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>Fuller was a pretty normal, well adjusted kid until his

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<v Speaker 1>mom dies in a car accident when he was in

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<v Speaker 1>the second grade. So after that, behavior problems ensued. It

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<v Speaker 1>got worse than fifth grade fighting an outburst, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was the same year that his dad married Gloria Stanfield,

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<v Speaker 1>so Craigan's like, well, maybe he was adjusting to his stepmother,

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<v Speaker 1>and Munch suggests maybe the stepmother pulled a Woody Allen

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 1>way back then and Woody and soon Yie. If you

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<v Speaker 1>know the story of Woody Allan revealing he was in

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.159
<v Speaker 1>a romantic relationship with his adopted daughter Sunnyie who is

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<v Speaker 1>now his wife, that all broke in nineteen ninety two,

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<v Speaker 1>so ten years before this episode, but you know, the

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>reference is there. Finn points out that having sex with

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 1>a seventeen year old isn't illegal, but live is, like

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<v Speaker 1>he turned seventeen last month.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think it just started like on his birthday?

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<v Speaker 1>And this is back when Finn was still very black

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<v Speaker 1>and white about the law, so he doesn't really care

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.760
<v Speaker 1>that like this woman, what this woman means to this

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.440
<v Speaker 1>kid as like a mother's son relationship as long as

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>no laws are specifically being broken. So Benson argues that

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<v Speaker 1>at a minim this is not a great environment for

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>little Chloe, and Craigan sends Munch and Finn to go

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 1>talk to Kyle. Elliott suggests they go speak to the

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 1>quote hired help, and Craigan tells everyone to chill and

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<v Speaker 1>to be chill.

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<v Speaker 4>And discreet.

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>So he so obviously we caught right to Munch and

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<v Speaker 1>Finn marching up to this kid at his private school

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<v Speaker 1>quad flashing their badges in front of all of his

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<v Speaker 1>friends and being like, Hi, we're SVU. It's like, very subtle,

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>just as Craigan was like, be discreet, guys, They're like, hello, son,

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<v Speaker 1>we are the cops from the sex crimes. So Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>is played by Jonathan Bennett, who I'm sure you all

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>recognize as Aaron Samuel's from Mean Girls, which he made

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>two years after this episode, And it looks like SVU

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>was one of his first big acting jobs, and he

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<v Speaker 1>just really looks like a baby here. He even looks

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>older as Aaron Samuels a couple years later, of course

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>he is, but you know it's a jump. They asked

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>him if he's talked to his dad, how are things

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 1>going at home, how he gets along with his stepmother,

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, if you think my stepmother and I are.

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<v Speaker 4>Sleeping together like sex, that's just sick.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been my step mom since I was ten, And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, dude, these detectives have seen way worse. But

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>he's denied, and I deny at the Fuller Home, a

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 1>vaguely British woman is telling Benson and Stabler that she

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 1>signed an NBA and she can't tell them anything, so

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>they threaten to call the IRS on Mary Poppins and

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>tell her if they find out Gloria's bank sucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like when they fucking bully the working class

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<v Speaker 2>like this.

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<v Speaker 1>The people that are gonna lose their jobs. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we saw in the episode Abuse with Hayden Pantier.

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<v Speaker 4>We saw another one we just do on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry everyone, but the nanny gets deported for talking to

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<v Speaker 1>the cops and.

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<v Speaker 4>She didn't even give them that much information.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry if I also said working class, but I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, the staff, they are staff for these people,

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<v Speaker 4>and they probably are immigrants.

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 2>They're so vulnerable, and I it's it's like, stop it.

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<v Speaker 4>I hate when they do things I don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So basically they just threaten this lady and they go,

0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>if Gloria goes down for banging your step son, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going down with the sh Is that what you want?

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:02.959
<v Speaker 1>So she gives it up and she's like, okay, Well,

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks earlier, I walked in on Kyle and

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Gloria and she was kissing him in an unmotherly way.

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 1>And then liv gets a phone call and the woman's like,

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>but I hardly saw anything, and Live says, well, my

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>phone call, says La. Gloria's back in town. She's at

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>her lawyer's office, and our presence is kindly requested. When

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>they get to the lawyer's office, Gloria is on the

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 1>phone and just like cutely waves at them like they're fans.

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>She's like, hi, you know, like and Gloria is played

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>by Sherylyn Fenn, which the Twin Peaks heads like me

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.719
<v Speaker 1>No is Audrey Horn. I think that was her big break.

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>She was in a bunch of other stuff, but Audrey

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Horn her role on Twin Peaks. She plays like a

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 1>high school fem fatale kind of. She's just like a

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>super sexy high school student. And she got nominated for

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>I believe Emmy's and Golden Globes and stuff for that award.

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if she want anything, but that to

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:55.479
<v Speaker 4>me is where she pops.

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Also, I have famously talked about one of my Clank

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 1>family classics, just one of the guys is where the

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>boy goes undercover the girl goes undercover as a boy

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 1>at a high school so she can get work on

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 1>the school newspaper or some shit. And Audrey Horn aka CHERYLN.

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Fenn is in that movie. She works a ton right

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 1>now too. She has an extensive IMDb. Her lawyer is

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>an actor named Gerald G.

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 4>Bammon. And I was like, how do I know this guy?

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 1>And he's in the McAllister family and Home Alone, he's

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>the uncle, the uncle Home Alone.

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I go, I'm like, I know this man and yeah,

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>home Alone baby.

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was that was a thrill.

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 2>That was.

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Yes, he's definitely at the at the dinner where

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>they talk about how fuller what's the bed?

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 4>Go easy on the PEPSI fuller? And that's little Kiaren,

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 4>isn't it? I think so, isn't Kieren?

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Almost positive, yes, Oh my god. And the pictures of him,

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>he's so cute. Fuller is so cute. Oh my gosh,

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 1>these kids, Yes, because like McCauley and Kieran are kind

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>of the main I know I've heard of Rory, but

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 1>there's a right, yes, the one about the medication, Yeah, yes, no,

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 1>that's her no al abtril one of our with me.

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 2>So uh.

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Gloria finally gets off the phone and Stabler's like, how

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 1>are the Hampton's And she goes dull. I mean, she's

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 1>just like chit chatting, like there's not a huge accusation

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 1>against her on the table.

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 2>But then she gets down to business, acting like like

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 2>this is legally blonde, you know, yes, yes, like she's

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 2>at the spot not not the seriousness that we want for.

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, she is not affording SVU the respect that they

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>have become accustomed to. And she gets down to business

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty quick. She denies having a sexual relationship with her

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 1>stepson five.

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 4>She makes up stories. She said she would never hurt her.

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Stepson five is young, but like Rosie's five, and she

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:11.240
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't like completely invent seeing two people wrestling in bed naked,

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 1>like you know, like that's I don't know, five, maybe three.

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 4>If she says something happen like that, I think something

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 4>like that happened.

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 1>But now everyone is having a meet in Cragan's office

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and they've really got nothing, and Live knows in her

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.320
<v Speaker 1>gut that something is up with these people. Sablor pops

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>in to let them know that they just got a

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>domestic disturbance call to Chloe's school, Laurence and Gloria are

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.399
<v Speaker 1>fighting over who's taking the daughter. So when they get

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 1>to the school, the two parents are taking turns screaming

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>at a uniform police officer who's really just standing there

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 1>taking it.

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:40.480
<v Speaker 4>And Lawrence goes, she raped my son. Who knows what

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 4>she did to my daughter?

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>And then Gloria goes our daughter, and it's like that's

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>not the most important part of the kid, the accusation,

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 1>and he's calling her disgusting. She says he's a liar

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to evade child support. He threatens to kill her

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:58.800
<v Speaker 1>if she touches his children. She tells everyone he's the abuser.

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 1>He hits her and the kid. Live says they can

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 1>fight it out in family court, but until then, the

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>kids are going to be in the custody of the state,

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 1>and that shocks both of them. Live emerges from a

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.359
<v Speaker 1>classroom carrying Chloe, and it's like, you guys have too

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 1>much money to be doing this kind of thing, Like

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:14.799
<v Speaker 1>send a nanny to go get her at school and

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>then you can fight over this privately, like you know,

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>this is how kids get removed from homes. Live emerges

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.319
<v Speaker 1>from a classroom carrying Chloe, while Stabler calls Munch to

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>do an emergency removal of Kyle at the little preppy

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Kyle Private School, which looks like a college campus. I mean,

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, sure they shot it at Columbia or something.

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 1>All the little preppy boys file out. They ask his

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 1>two dorky friends where Kyle is, and they're like, uh,

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:39.799
<v Speaker 1>he left. They start digging deeper and these two are

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:42.279
<v Speaker 1>leaky faucets. They're like, oh, yeah, she and Kyle got

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>along really well. Everyone knows about Gloria. She's very open.

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>She likes having guys around. They go, she doesn't mind

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 1>if guys look at her, and I'm like, lol, are

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 1>you the guys? Because you are teenage children? And she

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 1>wears see through clothes and is always giving people back rubs.

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Kyle it it's not his real mom, so who cares,

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>And they wouldn't be surprised if he's banging her, but

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 1>they don't know for sure. So now at the precinct,

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.360
<v Speaker 1>we find out Chloe is with an aunt and an uncle,

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 1>thank god, and they can't find Kyle. So Craigan tells

0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Benson and stable Or their day isn't over yet and

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>hands them a piece of paper. The music swells, so

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:21.400
<v Speaker 1>something is afoot. Now they're at the Stanfield Fuller house

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler's filling in Munch and Fin. The doorman called

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 1>it in. No one heard a struggle, so I guess

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>they've received a call. That's what the piece of paper is.

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 1>No one heard a struggle. Where's the rest of the

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Adams family? Munch quips and there's no forced entry, no robbery,

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and then we see dun Dunn Lawrence Fuller on the

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 1>ground with his head bashed in. He is no longer living.

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 1>So that's the end of act one. We got a

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>lot in on this show for the first part. Okay,

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:51.839
<v Speaker 1>So now a poor man's Melinda Warner is they're giving

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>us her findings. This is just not who we've become

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 1>accustomed to dealing with, but she is a medical examiner

0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, there was a blow to the back

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 1>of the head was likely the death, but impact wounds

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>to the torso, thighs, fore arms. The murder weapons seems

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:06.879
<v Speaker 1>to be a baseball bat. And then Munch is there

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 1>holding it going this one because he found it under

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Kyle's bed. The doorman is now giving them a minute

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 1>by minute report of the family's movements. Mister Fuller came

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:19.479
<v Speaker 1>home at eight o'clock. Gloria left twenty minutes later, Kyle

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:20.759
<v Speaker 1>left fifteen minutes after that.

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:22.840
<v Speaker 4>He says, Kyle seemed a little upset.

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 1>No one enters without signing in, he says, and he

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>shows them the sign and she suddenly Kyle shows up,

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>going what's up? And he has a huge shiner around

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>his eye, like big black eye. And Finn breaks the

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 1>news your dad is dead, and he's like, okay, he

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 1>does not seem shaken up, and Finn points it out,

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:43.320
<v Speaker 1>like you don't seem that upset. Cut back to Mary Poppins,

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>our nanny slash house woman.

0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what her job is.

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 1>She seems like she's in charge, though, and she came

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 1>by to check on Gloria, who was very upset about

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the whole Chloe mess at school. And this woman's name

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 1>is no, I wrote Mary, and I'm trying to say

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 1>her name is Mary, but I just keep calling her

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Mary Poppins because we have not named her. Mary wanted

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 1>to make sure she was all right, and she thinks

0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:09.799
<v Speaker 1>it's impossible that she murdered mister Fuller, like impossible that

0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Gloria could have done this. And now we're in cement

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.879
<v Speaker 1>Bar's room and Kyle is claiming that the shiner came

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 1>from gym class and Munch and Finn are questioning him.

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 4>He's like, where was I I went for a walk.

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:22.799
<v Speaker 1>They say things must have been tense between mom and dad,

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:25.800
<v Speaker 1>but he insists Gloria did not kill my dad. Munch

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 1>asked how many school uniforms do you have? And he

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>goes six and they're like, well, where's the one from today?

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:33.319
<v Speaker 1>They must have counted five in his closet. He says

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 1>he changed after school and Munch cracks that bloodstains don't

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:39.280
<v Speaker 1>go with the school colors. Craigan interrupts them and pulls

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 1>Munch and Finn out. Turns out Kyle has lawyered up,

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 1>but he never asked for a lawyer. But a lawyer

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 1>is there and guess who it is. It's the uncle

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:50.439
<v Speaker 1>from the McAllister family, Gloria's lawyer, and he is there

0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:54.800
<v Speaker 1>with Gloria. Elliott brings up this is a possible conflict

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.319
<v Speaker 1>of interest because Gloria is also a suspect. But the

0:38:57.360 --> 0:38:59.840
<v Speaker 1>guy says if charges are filed, Kyle will get a

0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>new lawyer. But until then it's all good. Gloria says

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:05.240
<v Speaker 1>she'll talk without a lawyer, even though her lawyer advises

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 1>against it, and she says, I have nothing to hide.

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>So in an office with Benson and Stabler, we're in

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 1>more of a blind's wood room. Gloria tells them that

0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:15.759
<v Speaker 1>she has no idea what happened. She went to a

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 1>hotel that night after how her husband was at the school.

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:20.719
<v Speaker 1>She needed to not be in the home. She only

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 1>went home to get a few things. Her step son

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>was there. She tried to explain to him what happened,

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>and he got pissed. Lawrence walked in. They started fighting.

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence got physical as usual and pushed Kyle. She couldn't

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:33.439
<v Speaker 1>stand it, so she left. And they're like, you left

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 1>your husband there to push around your step son, a

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.959
<v Speaker 1>man you've outwardly told the police is abusive. You're like, bye, Kyle,

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.719
<v Speaker 1>good luck. I hope lacrosse practice helps you beat up

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 1>your dad. She says, I couldn't stop him anyway, and

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.359
<v Speaker 1>she tried, and it only one time and it only

0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>made things worse. So I guess when they fight, she

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:52.280
<v Speaker 1>can't get involved.

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:52.959
<v Speaker 2>She says.

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.759
<v Speaker 1>The hotel will confirm her story. And they go, was

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 1>your husband still breathing when you left? And she says,

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I didn't kill him. I had no reason to, and

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.719
<v Speaker 1>is like, I can think of a couple custody of

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 1>your daughter inheritants money. Gloria goes, he made me sign

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 1>a prenup. He always believed I was a gold digger

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.719
<v Speaker 1>at heart, and girl, you kind of seem like it.

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 1>The money goes to Kyle and Chloe intrusts which I

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>am not allowed to touch. So Kyle and Lawrence were

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:20.760
<v Speaker 1>fighting when you left, and she's like, yes, but Kyle

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't do this, and they go, but you left, so

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:24.880
<v Speaker 1>you don't know for sure, and she's like, I just

0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 1>lost my husband and my daughter. I'm not gonna help

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you frame my step son. So now we're talking to Cabot.

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 1>She's like, who looks good for this? Like come on,

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:35.759
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, well, the murder woman weapon was found

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 1>under the boy's bed. They think it's probably not Gloria,

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:39.799
<v Speaker 1>and it turns out his prints are the only ones

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:43.240
<v Speaker 1>on the bat as well. Cabot tells them to arrest Kyle,

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:46.400
<v Speaker 1>so they barge into interrogation where his lawyer demands that

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 1>they arrest him or they're leaving, but that's just what

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 1>they were coming to do. So they slapped some old

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 1>cuffs on little Kyle and they mirandize him. They walk

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 1>him out, and Gloria's there telling them you've made a mistake,

0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:58.720
<v Speaker 1>and Finn is like, well, we're ready for your confession

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 1>whenever you want, babe, and the lawyer says he'll have

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Kyle out by the morning. She touches Kyle on the

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 1>shoulder and says, don't say anything. I'm getting you a lawyer.

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I'll take care of everything. Don't tell them anything. So

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 1>now at arrangment, guess who's representing Kyle our guy, Trevor

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Langan personal laundry spokesman, mister Marishka Hargatea.

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:18.359
<v Speaker 4>And he's so hot.

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 1>He's very hot now, but he's very hot in these

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.280
<v Speaker 1>early seasons as well. You can see this is probably

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 1>around when they met and started falling in love. Kyle

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:31.840
<v Speaker 1>pleads not guilty, and Cabot's like, this kid is rich

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 1>as fuck with zero responsibilities or ties. He is the

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.280
<v Speaker 1>definition of a flight risk. He could be living in

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:41.719
<v Speaker 1>the Caribbean in like two seconds. He turns back towards Gloria,

0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 1>sitting in the courtroom and they share a look Kyle

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:47.240
<v Speaker 1>and Gloria. So bail is set at a million dollars

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 1>and he has to surrender his passport. He'll make bail

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:53.080
<v Speaker 1>in five seconds. Cabot complains to Benson and Stabler and

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 1>they figure he didn't pull this off alone. Cabot says,

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 1>find me evidence and I'll charge her as a co conspirator.

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 1>They want to check the hotel, but they can't get

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:01.919
<v Speaker 1>a warrant to just browse. They have to be looking

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:05.440
<v Speaker 1>for something specific. So Benson says, Kyle's school uniform, if

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 1>he was wearing it, it's a bloody mess, and Cabot's like,

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I'll go get you a warrant. So now at the hotel,

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.800
<v Speaker 1>they demand Gloria's room number and the concierge goes, I

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:15.399
<v Speaker 1>can tell you the room number, but she's not there.

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I arranged a car to take her to JFK. And

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:19.839
<v Speaker 1>they're like, was her son with her? And the guy goes, well,

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:22.359
<v Speaker 1>he was young, but I'm sure he wasn't her son,

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 1>not the way they were acting. So this concierge is spilling,

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:30.840
<v Speaker 1>and obviously some canoodling was going on at the precinct.

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.319
<v Speaker 1>They're trying to figure out what flight these two are on.

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 1>They left on a flight to Dulls this morning. They're

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:39.239
<v Speaker 1>already back, they landed two hours ago. Wild back at

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 1>the hotel. The concierge is taking them to the room,

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 1>but warns that the guests might be inside, and Benson's like,

0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:47.799
<v Speaker 1>let's surprise them. Grab the key, click clock. They're inside

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 1>the hotel room and we see a couple having sex,

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 1>lady on top. Kyle goes, don't come in here like

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>a true seventeen year old, like the most seventeen year

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 1>old thing to say. Well, I get out of here,

0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler's like, bro, did you not get the memo

0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:01.759
<v Speaker 1>about not leaving the jurisdiction.

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 4>You fucked up?

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 1>And Gloria is like, we didn't do anything wrong, and

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Benson is like, bitch, get up, get dressed, and have

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.239
<v Speaker 1>your lawyer meet your child molesting ass down at the station.

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Ky goes, we don't have to say anything to you.

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 1>We're married now done, dun so fuck.

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 2>I want to know the details of the laws because

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I do believe like you shouldn't have to speak against

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 2>your partner if you don't want to, but you can

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:30.400
<v Speaker 2>right like it just seems like a way to silence

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 2>victims of abuse.

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 4>Maybe I don't know, Like.

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't get I I want to know more.

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I know, like the purpose of it is like, oh,

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.360
<v Speaker 1>but I confide it in you because you're my what

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like you can't tell a therapist can't say anything either.

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's different. They take an oath for their job. Yeah,

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Like they go to jail like yeah, or lose their license,

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 2>like they have seven lawyers have to like if you're

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 2>just married, is that in your marriage certificate?

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.319
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's just these came from old time

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:03.399
<v Speaker 1>shit where it's like men can say anything they want

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:05.800
<v Speaker 1>to their wives, criminal or not, and they have to

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 1>keep those seats like they it's not they can't say

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 1>anything right, Like don't you think I mean, we have

0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:12.400
<v Speaker 1>to look it up, Okay, I mean now we're getting

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 1>everything on AI every time we look anything up. But

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.319
<v Speaker 1>it originated in eighteen fifty three a Section three of

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 1>the Evidence Amendment Act. It's based on the idea that

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:22.839
<v Speaker 1>the sanctity of marriage is so important that no spouse

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.040
<v Speaker 1>should be forced to testify against their partner, even if

0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:27.439
<v Speaker 1>the subject of the communication is important to the public good.

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.680
<v Speaker 2>But you can, right, it says, are you.

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 4>I don't think you can?

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 4>Can you?

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 1>However, it does not apply to communications made before marriage

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 1>or after divorce, or to communications that involve planning or

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:44.239
<v Speaker 1>assisting with a crime or fraud. The privilege is also

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 1>evoked if the communication was made in the presence of or.

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:48.280
<v Speaker 4>Could be overheard by a third party.

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.880
<v Speaker 1>So if Jared says something to me in front of you, Liza,

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 1>it's open season.

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 4>If you look it up.

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 1>The line that is highlighted from Wikipedia says, deriving from

0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the legal fiction that a husband and wife are one person,

0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 1>which is interesting.

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:08.799
<v Speaker 2>My question that nothing is answering is can you testify it? Yeah?

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:12.959
<v Speaker 2>Can you? Why can't that be an easy, quick little

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 2>google thing, Like why is this so hard?

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 4>Can you test it? It can't be compelled to.

0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:22.840
<v Speaker 1>It prevents one spouse from testifying against another in criminal

0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 1>or related proceedings.

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 4>Pillow talk privilege.

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 1>So I think it's like you can't because I think

0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 1>there have been times in this show where someone's like,

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.400
<v Speaker 1>all testifying, They're like, you can't. Spousal privilege. So I

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>don't think you can even if you want to.

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh no. Think of this as like the Fifth Amendment privilege.

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:39.719
<v Speaker 2>If the witness agrees to wave the privilege, then they

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 2>can testify, even if the party would rather they didn't.

0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 2>But this is this has reddit, this is yeah. Speedy

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:48.080
<v Speaker 2>John wrote this nine months ago, like, I'm sure we're

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 2>going to get We got a lot of lawyers that

0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 2>listen to us.

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 4>Let us know.

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 1>But I bet it very It could vary state by

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:54.800
<v Speaker 1>state because I think spousal privilege is different.

0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Person volunteers to testify against their spouse, they may the

0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 2>state doesn't care if people ruin their own relationship.

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:06.760
<v Speaker 4>Oh but they don't have to, got it? Okay?

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 1>All right, So now these two are fucking married. This

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:14.880
<v Speaker 1>is full like you know, creepy Woody Allen Sunny Territory

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:17.239
<v Speaker 1>they walk into At the top of act three, they

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:19.880
<v Speaker 1>walk into a woodblind's room where Gloria is sitting, and

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 1>she immediately wants to know where Kyle is. Sabler explains

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 1>how his bail is being revoked and his teen ass

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 1>is going to Rikers. So I hope you're happy, bitch,

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 1>because Rikers is no picnic. The lawyer is like, nothing

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.880
<v Speaker 1>here is illegal. He's seventeen. You have no evidence it

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 1>started before he was seventeen. Gloria is still like, I

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 1>never abused him. We're in love, and they're like, you're

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:39.799
<v Speaker 1>in love with a boy you've raised since he was

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 1>ten years old, sweetheart, that's not love, it's pedophilia. She says,

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:46.680
<v Speaker 1>nothing happens until after he was seventeen a month ago. Bitch, please,

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Benson goes, you must have given him one hell of

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 1>a b Day present. It's like, so you're saying you

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 1>fell in love with a seventeen year old in the

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:54.480
<v Speaker 1>last thirty days.

0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Gloria says, I'll take the blame. I was lonely. My

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:00.960
<v Speaker 1>husband was always gone. He had touched me in over

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:03.919
<v Speaker 1>a year. Kyle knew I was hurt. He only wants

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 1>me to be happy, and I want that for him.

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 1>It might be wrong in your eyes, but we can't

0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 1>help the way we feel. And the lawyer is like

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:13.360
<v Speaker 1>they're not blood related, and like, okay, but what a

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:15.880
<v Speaker 1>coincidenceaid They got married in the middle of a murder investigation,

0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 1>so now neither can testify against each other.

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 4>Spousal privilege as we talked about, so.

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.240
<v Speaker 1>At arraignment they have to explain to Judge Alan Ridnore

0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:28.200
<v Speaker 1>that Kyle violated the terms of his bail by traveling

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:30.959
<v Speaker 1>to Virginia, where they allow people to get married without

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:33.479
<v Speaker 1>a waiting period or a blood test, and allow under

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:37.080
<v Speaker 1>seventeen to marry with permission of their legal guardian, despite

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:39.799
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he was actually marrying his guardian, who

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>is currently under investigation for murder and child abuse.

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Lol.

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:47.239
<v Speaker 1>The judge revokes bail. Congratulations on your nuptials, young man,

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 1>he says. Outside the courthouse, Cabot says they should cut

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Gloria loose. They don't have anything on her and the

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 1>marriage seems legal. So they run into a swarm of reporters.

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 1>It's always hilarious to me, like the big crowds of

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:04.480
<v Speaker 1>reporters that come out for which cases at the courthouse.

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:06.840
<v Speaker 1>So they run into a storm of reporter's yelling questions,

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 1>and one dude goes, does Gloria Stanfield's pregnancy have any

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 1>effect on the child abuse allegations? And Benson and Stabler

0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 1>want to know where this dirtbag reporter got his info,

0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 1>so they pull him aside. He says he will not

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:20.160
<v Speaker 1>reveal his sources. He works for the National Probe.

0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:20.760
<v Speaker 4>Lol.

0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Definitely supposed to be National inquirer. He claims she's knocked

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:27.399
<v Speaker 1>up three months along and the step son is the father.

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 1>He says he knows because she brought him to the appointment.

0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:32.919
<v Speaker 1>Use your brain's, honey, why else would she marry the kid?

0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:36.799
<v Speaker 1>So at Riker's Munch enters a holding cell where Kyle

0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and Langan are hanging out, and he goes he walks

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 1>in by.

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 4>Going herd, you're going to be a daddy.

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 1>That true, and they they keep trying to get him

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 1>to confirm it, but Langan knows their games and he's like,

0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:48.920
<v Speaker 1>my client has no way of knowing the paternity of

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Gloria's child. And Kyle has this smug little smile on

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 1>his face when he tells them that anything Gloria told

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:56.319
<v Speaker 1>him was after they were married, so he doesn't have

0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:56.880
<v Speaker 1>to answer.

0:48:57.960 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Ugh.

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:00.879
<v Speaker 1>The next scene is Benson open a car door as

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Gloria gets out with a ton of shopping bags like

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:05.320
<v Speaker 1>a movie, like nothing with a brand you can see,

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:08.320
<v Speaker 1>but just like you know, she's been shopping and women

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:12.399
<v Speaker 1>do be shopping. And Benson opens the car door and

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:15.200
<v Speaker 1>she goes, thank you, Detective Benson, and they say chivalry

0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:19.280
<v Speaker 1>is dead. It's like she's a woman you're weird shopping

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:22.080
<v Speaker 1>for your husband's funeral or maternity clothes.

0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:23.800
<v Speaker 4>And she goes a little bit of both, like she's.

0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Being very whimsical for how serious this situation feels.

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:29.080
<v Speaker 4>But you know, she knows. She thinks she's gonna get

0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:29.720
<v Speaker 4>away with everything.

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:31.760
<v Speaker 1>They tell her she has to take a paternity test

0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:33.759
<v Speaker 1>either now or when the baby is born, but later

0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:36.200
<v Speaker 1>means six more months of visits from them, and she

0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:38.759
<v Speaker 1>goes hit up Kevin mckowster's uncle, he'll set up the

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 1>test and just scurries into her building. At the crime lab,

0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 1>we've got Hattie Bert Trevor aka Friend of the Pod

0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Sunjada turns out that the fetus DNA is not

0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:52.400
<v Speaker 1>a match to Kyle or his dad, so somebody else

0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:54.880
<v Speaker 1>is the father. Liv gets a quick phone call and

0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 1>when she gets off, she tells them some wild news.

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Gloria Stanfield is in the hospital. She's been reaped. Wow,

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:04.680
<v Speaker 1>what's happening at the hospital. The doc tells them that

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 1>she has bruising fluids, all the signs of sexual assault,

0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:11.759
<v Speaker 1>but there are there is no signs of trauma to

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the baby. So they go into the exam room and

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 1>ask Gloria, who did this? She says she doesn't know,

0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, some stranger happened to do this, Like

0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 1>while all this other stuff is going on, Like you

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:24.880
<v Speaker 1>know who did it. You were sleeping with him. Everything

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:26.799
<v Speaker 1>you've told us has been a lie. You want our help,

0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:29.399
<v Speaker 1>give us this guy's name. So she coughs it up,

0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Frank Barbarossa. And that's like a thing I always remember

0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:34.479
<v Speaker 1>from seeing this episode so many times.

0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:36.640
<v Speaker 4>It's just like the way she says, Frank Barbarossa.

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:39.680
<v Speaker 1>And she had a fling with him months ago and

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:41.879
<v Speaker 1>thought he was over it, but all this time he's

0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:43.759
<v Speaker 1>just been thinking of ways to hurt her, and he's

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the father of the baby. When he found out she'd

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:49.399
<v Speaker 1>married Kyle, he went nuts. Then she says, I really

0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:51.640
<v Speaker 1>did think Kyle killed his dad and I was trying

0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:53.319
<v Speaker 1>to protect him, But now I think it was this

0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:57.439
<v Speaker 1>Frank dude. Frank allegedly went off on her and said

0:50:57.480 --> 0:50:59.399
<v Speaker 1>it was her fault, she'd been playing games with people

0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:01.200
<v Speaker 1>and if she didn't that he'd do the same thing

0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:03.760
<v Speaker 1>to her that he did to Lawrence. So she's saying

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:06.839
<v Speaker 1>he claims to have confessed to the murder and that's

0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the end of act three. So now top of the

0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:11.879
<v Speaker 1>final act, Munch and Finn are at the gym and

0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:15.359
<v Speaker 1>they find a musclehead named Frank Barbarossa and he's working out.

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:18.600
<v Speaker 1>They arrest him. He looks clueless and he's genuinely worried.

0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:20.040
<v Speaker 1>When he hears Gloria's been raped.

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:20.800
<v Speaker 2>He's like, just sit, okay.

0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:24.240
<v Speaker 1>So Finn is downloading Daddy Craigs through the fishbowl glass

0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:26.719
<v Speaker 1>as Frank sits in the cement bar's room, And that

0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:28.759
<v Speaker 1>is the most TMU sentence I could ever say.

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 4>Finn is downloading.

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Daddy Craigs through the fishbowl glass as Frank sits in

0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:34.440
<v Speaker 1>a cement bar's room, so we can put it on

0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:38.239
<v Speaker 1>a T shirt. Munch reports that Frank was in the

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:41.280
<v Speaker 1>building because he trains other people in Gloria's building.

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 4>He's a personal trainer.

0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:44.600
<v Speaker 1>He was with a client the knight of the murder,

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:47.680
<v Speaker 1>but ended the session early, which leads thirty minutes unaccounted for.

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:51.759
<v Speaker 1>So now Finn and Munch are there interrogating him and

0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:54.160
<v Speaker 1>showing in pictures of Gloria's injuries, and he's.

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 4>Like, I love her, I would never lay a hand.

0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:57.399
<v Speaker 1>On her, like you know he's this kind of guy,

0:51:57.680 --> 0:51:59.720
<v Speaker 1>and he says I was home alone the night before

0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:02.560
<v Speaker 1>and goes, well, she fingered you. And I really hate

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:06.080
<v Speaker 1>this phrase, like when it's talking about accusing someone, Fingering

0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:08.799
<v Speaker 1>to me means one thing, and people are not doing

0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:10.560
<v Speaker 1>it to each other in a law enforcement setting.

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I feel that there was a comic back in the

0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:15.319
<v Speaker 2>day in Chicago had a joke about this about like

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:17.439
<v Speaker 2>why would you say finger blah blah?

0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:19.040
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, what are you talking about? Like,

0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:20.319
<v Speaker 4>I didn't even know that was.

0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:22.319
<v Speaker 2>A saying until I heard this person's joke saying how

0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:27.640
<v Speaker 2>crazy it was? Yeah or yeah, fingering is clearly something else.

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:30.840
<v Speaker 1>What's the movie Freddy Got Fingered? Isn't that supposed to

0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 1>be somebody got amused?

0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 4>Isn't that isn't the content? I don't.

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I actually haven't seen Freddy Got Fingered. If you can

0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:40.360
<v Speaker 1>believe it, it's.

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:45.200
<v Speaker 2>A dark comedy. Okay, directorial debut. Let's see a cartoonist

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:51.120
<v Speaker 2>trying to put it's it's the it's the sex fingering.

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Ew and they just he just made a mainstream movie

0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:56.280
<v Speaker 1>called Freddy Got Fingered, and they let that happen.

0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 4>That's wild. He had a choke holed on society.

0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like, imagine it's a movie that's like Susie Got

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:05.880
<v Speaker 1>eaten out. Like I don't know, I just can't imagine

0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 1>that that would be a movie title.

0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 4>But okay, way to go, Tom Green getting well, let's right,

0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:12.880
<v Speaker 4>Susie got eaten out.

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's really it. Well, I think the literation helps. Freddy

0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:20.960
<v Speaker 1>got fingered. Yeah, but Jesus, okay, Eleanor got eaten out,

0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Edie got eaten out Edie. It's about and it's about

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:32.439
<v Speaker 1>one of the Grey Gardens women's Okay, so.

0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:39.399
<v Speaker 4>He's in the building. Okay, uh okay. So this poor

0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:41.120
<v Speaker 4>dumb dumb does not get what's happening.

0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I didn't do anything, and they tell him

0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:45.400
<v Speaker 1>his parole officer hasn't even been born yet, which I

0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:48.839
<v Speaker 1>feel Finn does say all the time, your parole and stable, Like,

0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:51.600
<v Speaker 1>your parole officer hasn't even been born yet. We've heard

0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:54.560
<v Speaker 1>that a lot. They think the motive here is he's

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.120
<v Speaker 1>jealous of all these rich people that he trains, and

0:53:57.160 --> 0:53:59.320
<v Speaker 1>so he knocks up the actress, he kills the husband,

0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:01.200
<v Speaker 1>and he sets up the son so that he can

0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:04.280
<v Speaker 1>like step into this life of like the rich and powerful,

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and they're really grilling him, and he looks scared. As

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 1>he realizes, like what's going on, he starts calling Gloria

0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:10.880
<v Speaker 1>a lying bitch and says he's going to kill her,

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:13.160
<v Speaker 1>and then he asks for a lawyer, so he's had

0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:17.040
<v Speaker 1>some kind of realization. The gang is chatting about Frank

0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:19.720
<v Speaker 1>getting a lawyer. They're waiting on DNA, but when Benson

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:22.960
<v Speaker 1>comes in with the cell phone, luds she found something interesting.

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 1>He got a call the knight of the murder at

0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:28.000
<v Speaker 1>eight point forty from a payphone at the deli across

0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:28.879
<v Speaker 1>the street.

0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:31.319
<v Speaker 4>You know, for the young people. Payphones used to.

0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Be kind of everywhere, and now they're just a relic

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:35.040
<v Speaker 1>of old times. But that's how I used to call

0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:37.719
<v Speaker 1>my parents to pick me up. So either Gloria made

0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:39.319
<v Speaker 1>the call or Kyle made the call. But why would

0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Kyle be calling his stepmom slash wife's boyfriend, So it

0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:45.239
<v Speaker 1>was probably Gloria. It makes more sense. Why does she

0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:48.279
<v Speaker 1>call him minutes before he kills her husband? So they

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.279
<v Speaker 1>go to the deli. The deli owner says.

0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:51.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh, that Gloria is a real diva.

0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 1>She wanted an autograph and she acted like I asked

0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:56.359
<v Speaker 1>for an autograph, and she acted like I was stalking her,

0:54:56.640 --> 0:54:58.320
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, screw her. She's not that good of

0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:00.399
<v Speaker 1>an actress. It's like, well, you did want the autograph, sir.

0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:03.360
<v Speaker 1>She made a call at the payphone, looking out the

0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:05.359
<v Speaker 1>window for a few minutes, and then made one more

0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:07.480
<v Speaker 1>call and then left, and it seemed like she was

0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:09.480
<v Speaker 1>waiting for someone to come out of the building. He

0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:12.080
<v Speaker 1>did try to eavesdrop, but he got nothing. So this

0:55:12.160 --> 0:55:15.520
<v Speaker 1>deli owner is a citizen detective. The next stop is

0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:18.319
<v Speaker 1>back to Sexy tech Bert Trevor, who asks them the

0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:20.880
<v Speaker 1>age old question, what did you do to my sperm?

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:23.239
<v Speaker 1>He says, there's no way this came off of a

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:27.040
<v Speaker 1>rape victim. The sperm tails are bent, which I remember

0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 1>this from this episode that when you freeze sperm you

0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:35.320
<v Speaker 1>it does affect it like it does you can tell,

0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 1>So I this is like, you know, another place where

0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:42.600
<v Speaker 1>SVU told me taught me something about forensics. So it

0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:45.239
<v Speaker 1>does match your guy Frank frozen or not, but it

0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:48.960
<v Speaker 1>was frozen. And also there's spermicide in there, like from

0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:52.800
<v Speaker 1>a condom, So Gloria clearly saved the spunk after having

0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:55.759
<v Speaker 1>sex with Frank. Froze it planted it on herself to

0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:58.000
<v Speaker 1>set him up for rape and murder. So in the

0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 1>next scene, Frank is being defended by friend of the

0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Pod Joe Marie Lawrence as defense attorney Cleo Conrad. But

0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:06.160
<v Speaker 1>earlier they mentioned that they had to wait for legal

0:56:06.200 --> 0:56:09.239
<v Speaker 1>aid to get there for Frank's lawyer. And I don't

0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:13.160
<v Speaker 1>think Cleo is a public defender like she's she just

0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:17.040
<v Speaker 1>she defended mister Landrix aka Bosh in the episode we

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:21.200
<v Speaker 1>just covered Resilience. She's done Erica Christensen, Agent Lauren Cooper,

0:56:21.400 --> 0:56:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the Little Psycho Boy, and the cal McLaughlin episode. Like

0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:26.279
<v Speaker 1>I thought she was kind of a pricey lawyer, So

0:56:27.080 --> 0:56:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I think I think I found a continuity error for

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:33.760
<v Speaker 1>the wiki, if anyone wants to add that in there. Anyway,

0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:36.759
<v Speaker 1>she tells them to drop the rape charge and they'll

0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:41.560
<v Speaker 1>agree to murder to minimum sentencing recommendation, and Cabot's like, hellol,

0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:43.799
<v Speaker 1>why would I do that, and either like, he'll give

0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:46.400
<v Speaker 1>you Gloria. So Cabot agrees to the deal if he

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:49.240
<v Speaker 1>testifies and we can corroborate the story. So Frank spills

0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:51.560
<v Speaker 1>the bitch set me up. He didn't care about the money.

0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:53.920
<v Speaker 1>He would have done anything for Gloria. He admits he

0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:56.319
<v Speaker 1>killed the husband, but only because Gloria told him to.

0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:58.920
<v Speaker 1>She set it up, called him, said the husband was

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:00.520
<v Speaker 1>crazy and was going to kill her if he didn't

0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:02.759
<v Speaker 1>do it right. Then, he says he didn't do it

0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:04.799
<v Speaker 1>for money. Gloria was afraid for her life. He used

0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:07.600
<v Speaker 1>to knock her and the kids around. She said if

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:09.200
<v Speaker 1>he was out of the way, they could be together.

0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:11.960
<v Speaker 1>But he uh, but that you know, Lawrence would never

0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:15.439
<v Speaker 1>let her go. So Cabot's like, Babe, her complaining about

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:18.120
<v Speaker 1>her husband being an asshole doesn't mean that she asked you.

0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:18.840
<v Speaker 4>To kill him.

0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:20.680
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, well, how do you think I even

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:22.480
<v Speaker 1>got in there? She gave me the security code, and

0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Cabot's like, that proves nothing. But you're like a trainer.

0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:26.160
<v Speaker 1>You've probably have been in there.

0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:27.080
<v Speaker 4>He says.

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:29.240
<v Speaker 1>She told me where to get the baseball bat and

0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:30.760
<v Speaker 1>told me what to do with it when I was done.

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:34.160
<v Speaker 1>It was all her idea, and Cabot is like, sweetye, Unfortunately,

0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:35.840
<v Speaker 1>right now you are the only one going to jail

0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:38.040
<v Speaker 1>for this crime. I need something I can prove. And

0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:40.240
<v Speaker 1>then poor Frank just sits back and looks bummed, and

0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:42.160
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I guess she's gonna get away with it.

0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Like again, sir, well you didn't have to murder somebody

0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:48.880
<v Speaker 1>for a woman. That's probably not going to go great.

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:52.800
<v Speaker 1>But in the squad room, Cabot reconfirms that nothing Frank

0:57:52.840 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>told them is good enough to arrest Gloria. Munch points

0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:57.360
<v Speaker 1>out that they got the calls from the payphone, and

0:57:57.400 --> 0:58:00.040
<v Speaker 1>the second call she made was to Kyle Sell. I

0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:02.840
<v Speaker 1>figured she called to get Kyle out of the house,

0:58:03.320 --> 0:58:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and now he's sitting in Riker's thinking that she did

0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:09.080
<v Speaker 1>do the murder and that he's protecting her. So let's

0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.560
<v Speaker 1>get Kyle to testify to that, and we've got corroboration.

0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:14.960
<v Speaker 1>And Gloria goes down and Kabot goes, Okay, well, hurry up,

0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:18.040
<v Speaker 1>because I'm getting the charges against Kyle dropped tomorrow morning

0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:20.800
<v Speaker 1>because another man has confessed to doing this killing, So

0:58:20.840 --> 0:58:22.920
<v Speaker 1>he'll be a freeman by noon and a dead man.

0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Finn adds, now that she has access to all Kyle's cash,

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:28.720
<v Speaker 1>there's no reason to keep him around anymore. So remember

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:31.600
<v Speaker 1>those trusts that she talked about. Now that they're married,

0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:34.440
<v Speaker 1>she would have access to the trusts as his next

0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:37.360
<v Speaker 1>of kid. So she's really thought this all fucking through.

0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:40.400
<v Speaker 1>So now they're at Riker's trying to convince Kyle. He

0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:43.600
<v Speaker 1>does not believe the killer is his mom slash wife's boyfriend,

0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:46.320
<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't believe that she set him up. The

0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:49.320
<v Speaker 1>weapon was your baseball bat. It was hidden under your bed.

0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:51.880
<v Speaker 1>That was Gloria's idea. They break it to him that

0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:55.240
<v Speaker 1>his wife is having another guy's baby. The music amps up,

0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:57.400
<v Speaker 1>so maybe Kyle is starting to get it. He still

0:58:57.440 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't believe it, but Langan gives him a nod. So

0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm a little confused here. If she wanted Kyle to

0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:06.720
<v Speaker 1>go down for the murder, why did she make up

0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:08.919
<v Speaker 1>the rape, Like she had to know that they would

0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:12.120
<v Speaker 1>find out that Frank did the murder, so Kyle would

0:59:12.120 --> 0:59:13.600
<v Speaker 1>get off and she'd have to stay married to a

0:59:13.600 --> 0:59:17.160
<v Speaker 1>fucking high school student. I don't really get why she

0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:19.240
<v Speaker 1>made up the rape at this.

0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Point, Like she's an actress, she's just i know, doing research.

0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:26.080
<v Speaker 1>She could have just let Kyle go down for the

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:28.880
<v Speaker 1>murder and then she still gets access to all his money, right.

0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:30.800
<v Speaker 4>She loved him on some sort of level.

0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, actually as well, Yeah, yeah, and she's fine to

0:59:34.440 --> 0:59:38.160
<v Speaker 1>let Frank Barbarossa go down. So he says, that night

0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:41.280
<v Speaker 1>when she called, she told him to leave and that

0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:43.680
<v Speaker 1>she was going to take care of everything. So I

0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:46.440
<v Speaker 1>guess we're Our point is proven here. He's now, Oh, no,

0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:49.280
<v Speaker 1>they weren't married yet and rhen He says that the

0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:51.600
<v Speaker 1>night when she called his cell phone, she said leave,

0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:53.280
<v Speaker 1>get out of there. I'm going to take care of everything.

0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:55.400
<v Speaker 1>She said she loved him and that they would be together.

0:59:56.360 --> 0:59:59.360
<v Speaker 1>So now cut to Gloria getting out of a Mercedes

0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:02.200
<v Speaker 1>walking to Ahi met clinic Benson's Stabler shop er outside

1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:04.120
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, so you're getting rid of the baby too,

1:00:04.640 --> 1:00:08.040
<v Speaker 1>and what about little Chloe? Like has anyone talked about

1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:10.320
<v Speaker 1>what's happening with her? Is she part of Gloria's plan

1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:10.880
<v Speaker 1>at all?

1:00:11.040 --> 1:00:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Like?

1:00:11.680 --> 1:00:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Kyle shows up then at outside of this clinic and

1:00:14.560 --> 1:00:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Gloria walks up to him so awkwardly and guiltily and

1:00:17.720 --> 1:00:20.920
<v Speaker 1>goes hey, and he's like, what are you doing? And

1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:23.000
<v Speaker 1>she goes, I told you why I can't have the baby.

1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:24.720
<v Speaker 1>We agreed that this was the best thing for us.

1:00:25.080 --> 1:00:27.760
<v Speaker 1>He says, right, but you said it was mine, which

1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:30.640
<v Speaker 1>proves we were having sex before I was seventeen, and

1:00:30.680 --> 1:00:33.440
<v Speaker 1>she says, Kyle, this is for us, and he says, no,

1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:35.400
<v Speaker 1>it's not. I know the baby isn't mine, and if

1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:37.720
<v Speaker 1>you want to kill it, go ahead. I don't care anymore.

1:00:38.200 --> 1:00:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Just tell me something. This whole year we were together. Okay,

1:00:41.200 --> 1:00:45.040
<v Speaker 1>so they've been fucking since he was probably fifteen turning sixteen.

1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Was it all part of your plan to make me

1:00:47.720 --> 1:00:49.240
<v Speaker 1>love you so I would do what you wanted.

1:00:49.640 --> 1:00:50.520
<v Speaker 4>You didn't have to do that.

1:00:50.600 --> 1:00:52.800
<v Speaker 1>You didn't have to pretend I already loved you, Gloria,

1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember when I didn't.

1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:58.560
<v Speaker 4>So she says, I do love you, Kyle.

1:00:58.600 --> 1:00:59.120
<v Speaker 2>We're mary.

1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:01.240
<v Speaker 1>That's why I don't want to another man's baby. I

1:01:01.240 --> 1:01:02.920
<v Speaker 1>only lied to you because I thought you were too

1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:05.320
<v Speaker 1>young to understand, but not too young to marry me.

1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:08.280
<v Speaker 1>So then Kyle slips a paper in her hand and

1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:10.840
<v Speaker 1>it's a petition for divorce. The cops start to cough

1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Gloria and tell her she's under arrest for murder. She

1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:15.560
<v Speaker 1>tells Kyle, you don't know what you're doing, and he says,

1:01:16.120 --> 1:01:21.080
<v Speaker 1>I know exactly what I'm doing, mom, and that's dick

1:01:21.120 --> 1:01:27.280
<v Speaker 1>wolf baby, Damn, I.

1:01:27.240 --> 1:01:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Always love an episode where there's deformed sperm.

1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:32.080
<v Speaker 4>That's the smoking.

1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, well what was it in the episode in

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<v Speaker 1>the color it's like the meat one, yes, but also

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<v Speaker 1>in manipulated, manipulated. She's got something light paces in her spit,

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<v Speaker 1>like there's something in the spit that, yeah, shows that

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<v Speaker 1>it's from a BJ Anyway, we love, we love different

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<v Speaker 1>states of sperm on this pod.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll be right back. So this crime is wild

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously sad. There's life loss, there's fucked up shit.

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<v Speaker 2>But it reads like the Gonzell episode, like it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of wild the things that are happening and that other

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<v Speaker 2>finance guy like it's just pretty wild. And it happens

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<v Speaker 2>in Florida. Okay, so it's in Florida. And this case,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the Daytona Beach News Journal, had everything. Murders, swingers, adultery, incest,

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<v Speaker 2>a drug addled attorney, and a vixen for a defendant. Woo,

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<v Speaker 2>this case has everything. Virginia was a native of Lake Wales, Virginia,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Virginia, Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>And she says she was subjected to sexual and emotional

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<v Speaker 2>abuse in a poor household. So you know, very very

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<v Speaker 2>classic kind of upbringing of MANIAX. Her husband Norman Larzola.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, I don't, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>How lars Larzella Larzellae.

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<v Speaker 2>So her husband Norman Lazzellaay, we're adding an extra l

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<v Speaker 2>Larza Laire Larsa Laire.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Norman and his wife, Virginia, they were at work

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<v Speaker 2>March eighth, nineteen ninety one, at his dental practice in Edgewater, Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>He was standing near a hallway. He heard a noise

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the back of the building, so he turned

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<v Speaker 2>the corner to see what the noise was. He saw

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<v Speaker 2>a masked man armed with a shotgun, so he ran away,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get to the front of the building. He

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<v Speaker 2>was closing a door behind him, but a buckshot pellet

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<v Speaker 2>went through the wood doors and entered his chest. The

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<v Speaker 2>gunman fled the scene, and Virginia called nine one one.

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<v Speaker 2>One witness, who was a patient in the waiting room,

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<v Speaker 2>said she heard the dentist say, Jason, is that you?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is Jason?

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<v Speaker 3>You?

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<v Speaker 2>Asked? That was their eighteen year old son. So Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>went over to her husband and placed her lips over

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<v Speaker 2>his nose and mouth and smothered him that no one

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<v Speaker 2>else could hear him name Jason. And this is according

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<v Speaker 2>to the Daytona Beach News Journal in a quote from

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<v Speaker 2>police detective Dave Gammle. So Gammel and everyone's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a wild person, so like Gamal also played Santa Claus

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<v Speaker 2>for local kids. So a detective and a local Santa

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<v Speaker 2>Norman sadly died in a helicopter. In the helicopter on

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<v Speaker 2>the way to the hospital. He was three weeks away

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<v Speaker 2>from turning forty years old, a young man and because

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<v Speaker 2>of this death, the murder of the gunman everything There

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<v Speaker 2>was a two month investigation which got pumped to full

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<v Speaker 2>force when another witness came forward with detailed instructions on

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<v Speaker 2>where to find the murder weapon. So, six weeks after

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<v Speaker 2>the murder, ish eighteen year old Steven Hidell told him

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<v Speaker 2>the detective that he knew where the murder weapon was.

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<v Speaker 2>That he was someone that worked odd jobs for the family,

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<v Speaker 2>and so did a friend of his, Kristen Paul Mary,

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<v Speaker 2>who was a reception to the dental practice.

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<v Speaker 4>So he was like a handyman.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a receptionist, and he claims they were ordered

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<v Speaker 2>by Virginia to rub acid on the murder weapon, encase

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<v Speaker 2>it in cement, and get rid of it. They drove

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<v Speaker 2>sixty miles to north to Saint John's County and dumped

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence and Pellicer Creek. Pellister Creek. Okay, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>people in Florida will hit me up, so into this creek.

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<v Speaker 2>A dive team ended up recovering the weapon on May third,

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<v Speaker 2>and while divers searched, Gamble stood on the bridge with

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<v Speaker 2>a shotgun watching for alligators.

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<v Speaker 4>Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Apparently the cement found inside the family home matched

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<v Speaker 2>with the cement used to encase the weapon. So then

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<v Speaker 2>when they got her, police found her driving out of

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<v Speaker 2>town with a purse stuffed with cash and gold. And

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<v Speaker 2>that is the makings of an innocent Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>innocent person. I think it's cash gold in a purse

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<v Speaker 2>speeding out of town. And she also kept lying to

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<v Speaker 2>the authorities throughout the investigation. Her description of the gunman

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<v Speaker 2>kept changing. She and assisted that someone had come to

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<v Speaker 2>rob the place, but no other evidence led detectives to

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<v Speaker 2>think that it was anything but a planned hit against Norman.

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<v Speaker 2>So Virginia and her son Jason were both charged with

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<v Speaker 2>first degree murder, but and more Virginia info, just to

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<v Speaker 2>go backwards.

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<v Speaker 4>She had been married four times.

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<v Speaker 2>She was investigated in nineteen seventy five on suspicion of

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<v Speaker 2>trying to murder her first husband, who was shot during

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<v Speaker 2>an ambush along a dark highway. He was there because

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<v Speaker 2>his wife told him to go there because to help

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<v Speaker 2>her cousin who was having car trouble, but instead he

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<v Speaker 2>was shot by a stranger but lived. He was shot

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<v Speaker 2>so many times, but he did survive. He ended up

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<v Speaker 2>not pressing charges because he didn't want to break apart

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<v Speaker 2>the family. And the son that they had together, who

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<v Speaker 2>was a toddler during this time, was Jason. So maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a little dexter energy born from blood, okay, but also oh,

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<v Speaker 2>she was a teen when she got married to this

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<v Speaker 2>first husband. His name was Harry Mathis and at the

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<v Speaker 2>time she went by Gail Mathis and they stayed married

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<v Speaker 2>for another two years. After all of this attempted murder stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I was upset that she was like

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<v Speaker 2>married as a teen, and it was because she wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to escape being molested by her father and that was

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<v Speaker 2>the way out. Her sisters quoted saying, like they were

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<v Speaker 2>all molested, but she had it the worst and once

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<v Speaker 2>she left, she never came back. So in nineteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 2>after the divorce, she then married Florida Highway Patrol trooper

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<v Speaker 2>and they got separated in this within the same year.

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<v Speaker 2>She accused him of pointing his gun at her, but

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<v Speaker 2>he cleared up the accusations AKA he is a cop.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were fully divorced April nineteen eighty three, two

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<v Speaker 2>months after she already married again.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So during the divorce, she already married another person, a

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<v Speaker 2>former Valucia County building contractor, and that was done by

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<v Speaker 2>August nineteen eight three in an annulment she done. Yeah, busy.

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<v Speaker 2>She then met Norman on a weekday afternoon in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five when she went to a dental office and

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<v Speaker 2>she met a dark haired dentist named Norman and they

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<v Speaker 2>married quickly June fourteenth, nineteen eighty five. Married. The news

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<v Speaker 2>Journal also discovered that Norman did file for divorce in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine, and he fought for full custody of

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<v Speaker 2>all the children and he adopted her children from previous

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<v Speaker 2>marriages as well, and court filings he described his wife

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<v Speaker 2>as suicidal, drug addicted and a thief. She operated under aliases,

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<v Speaker 2>falsely claimed to have been a doctor, or a financier

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<v Speaker 2>or an heiress to a fortune, and this stayed true

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<v Speaker 2>because some of the articles I read were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is about a socialite, but she's a liar.

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<v Speaker 4>She was never an heiress to any fortune.

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<v Speaker 2>But then in nineteen ninety he did drop all the

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<v Speaker 2>divorce proceedings and they reconciled. Reconciled other things that happened

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<v Speaker 2>during their marriage. So Virginia was accused of embezzling thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars from builders in Ormond Beach, Flagler County. She

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<v Speaker 2>paid restitution and the case was dismissed, but she was okay.

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<v Speaker 2>She introduced her husband to the swinging lifestyle to salvage

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<v Speaker 2>their rocky marriage, a plan that's sure to work. So

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<v Speaker 2>since she was a cheater, she thought it was a

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<v Speaker 2>great way that they could have sex with other people

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<v Speaker 2>without the deception. So he did agree to it, but

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<v Speaker 2>she still had affairs behind his back. One of her

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<v Speaker 2>lovers was an exotic bird importer, and she offered him

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<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand dollars to kill her husband.

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<v Speaker 1>He declined, oh my god, so he's out of Wildlife.

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<v Speaker 1>The episode Wildlife, I mean, this is amazing. This is

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<v Speaker 1>like a real cast of characters.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean. And it gets wilder and wilder

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<v Speaker 2>and more kind of like out there. But yet at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, we do know there was

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<v Speaker 2>a tragedy that occurred. But the case, yeah, like to

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<v Speaker 2>have an exotic bird importer be your lover, you know

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<v Speaker 2>it is. Yeah, it's one of the cases where you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>how is this not more well known? Well, it was

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<v Speaker 2>like during the time, it was everyone it's so splash

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<v Speaker 2>she but we were young, we were young. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 2>she also offered twenty five thousand dollars to a new

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<v Speaker 2>and a new motorcycle to another man she was having

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<v Speaker 2>sex with.

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<v Speaker 4>He also said no, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, in a direct quote from the Daytona Beach News Journal,

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<v Speaker 2>there was one other sex partner. Las Larzlary felt she

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<v Speaker 2>could manipulate done done. Her own son, Jason, didn't refuse

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<v Speaker 2>and was offered two hundred thousand dollars to kill his

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<v Speaker 2>adoptive father. God.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at least in the episode they're not blood related,

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<v Speaker 1>but here they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, full incest, Oh God, full incest.

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<v Speaker 4>So we can take a moment for that, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Dorothy Sedgwick was the special prosecutor who was lead

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<v Speaker 2>counsel for the state, and Jack Wilkins represented Jason and Virginia,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were tried separately. He mostly represented drug dealers

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<v Speaker 2>for cash and this was his first capital murder case.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a lot of witnesses called to the stand,

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<v Speaker 2>including some lovers who all testified that she offered all

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<v Speaker 2>of them thousands of dollars to murder her husband. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, you can't trust a loose lover, Okay. All

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<v Speaker 2>the lovers said that she was abusive and manipulative and

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<v Speaker 2>hell bent on eliminating her husband, and throughout the whole

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<v Speaker 2>trial she was popping breath mints. She couldn't stop. Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting detail.

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<v Speaker 2>There's all these little details that like aren't pertinent to

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<v Speaker 2>the case, but it's just like, what is happening?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So, prosecutors said that she killed her fourth husband to

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<v Speaker 2>receive two point one million dollars in a life insurance

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<v Speaker 2>money the situation. When her incest lifestyle and drug use

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<v Speaker 2>and cheating was brought up in court, she did cry

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<v Speaker 2>and she was really like embarrassed, like tears streaming down

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<v Speaker 2>her face. Otherwile things that came up in court. One

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<v Speaker 2>that Jason the son was having a fling with Heidel,

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<v Speaker 2>the most critical of the state witnesses for the case,

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<v Speaker 2>who said that he had the weapon.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to learn more about Steve High but

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<v Speaker 2>he sadly did take his own life in nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>And on February twenty fourth, nineteen ninety two, she was

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<v Speaker 2>convicted of ordering the execution style murder of her husband

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<v Speaker 2>in Edgewater, Florida. So that was a first degree murder charge.

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<v Speaker 2>And then on March fifth, they recommended the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the jury's idea. They recommended death. They only

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<v Speaker 2>deliberated for just one hour to put this woman to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that really reminded me of Eileen Warnos. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you remember that case, but like how

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<v Speaker 2>gung Ho Florida was, how they didn't really talk much,

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<v Speaker 2>that they sentenced her to death immediately, and like the

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<v Speaker 2>pastors and all these people that were fighting for her death,

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<v Speaker 2>fought for like the saving of all these men who've

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<v Speaker 2>killed dozens of women, and just how like there's like

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<v Speaker 2>a bloodlust for yeah, Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>But because I'm also wondering if they introduced at court

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<v Speaker 1>her upbringing, like if she was from like that, probably

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<v Speaker 1>mentally damaged her forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Kara, worse than that, Okay, Okay, it's worse than

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<v Speaker 2>you can even Okay, So what happened in this trial,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're gonna get okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So she you know.

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<v Speaker 2>She was sentenced to death and she was on death

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<v Speaker 2>row with Eileen Warno, So I was like doing research,

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<v Speaker 2>going damn, this really kind of reminds me of Eileen

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<v Speaker 2>and the fact that there was abuse and then such

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<v Speaker 2>a quick jury decision to murder like an abused woman.

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<v Speaker 2>But Deirdre Hunt was another killer on death row with her.

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<v Speaker 2>There was like a few women, but holy shit, Eileen

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<v Speaker 2>and Virginia didn't get along, and at one point they

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<v Speaker 2>were in the same wing together and Warnos attacked Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>and caused one of her breast implants to rupture. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a wild This is wild. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a television show. It's insane, Okay, keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>So in two thousand and eight, her sentence was reduced

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<v Speaker 2>to life in prison because her attorney had unethical and

1:13:56.000 --> 1:14:00.200
<v Speaker 2>criminal behavior that actually landed him in federal prison in

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<v Speaker 2>So you're thinking, oh, they didn't bring up her abuse

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<v Speaker 2>during the trial.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, this motherfucker was out of his gourd.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a full on drunk drug problem and he

1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:15.080
<v Speaker 2>would wear dark tinted glasses to court and he was

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<v Speaker 2>very Sonya Paxton. There was a bar at the office

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<v Speaker 2>and he would come to court smelling like booze. They

1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:24.840
<v Speaker 2>say it was vodka, cocaine, and meth. And he does

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<v Speaker 2>deny this claim, of course he does.

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<v Speaker 4>Olivia, don't do this to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, please, We've all seen Sonya Paxston.

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<v Speaker 4>Have a fucking drunk court meltdown.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was eventually convicted of tax evasion, money laundering,

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<v Speaker 2>and other charges, and he did serve time for his

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<v Speaker 2>con So he was convicted of sixteen felonies and served

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<v Speaker 2>four years. And the cherry on top was he was

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<v Speaker 2>also romantically involved with the court reporter.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you just want to give Florida the break sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>but they keep coming back with more stories.

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<v Speaker 4>Like this, like this is so Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there's a reason Taylor wrote this song Florida. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>But he also, on top of everything, he just sucked.

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<v Speaker 2>It is reported by the Miami New Times that he

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<v Speaker 2>spent less than three thousand dollars on her defense. The

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution entered seventy pieces of evidence, and Wilkins countered with

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<v Speaker 2>one just one day of defense. He did not enlist

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<v Speaker 2>even one expert to refute anything. And Florida has the

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<v Speaker 2>worst capital justice system in the nation. They have exonerated

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<v Speaker 2>more people than any other state since nineteen seventy three.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Orange County Judge Mark Lubette is quoted in the Miami

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<v Speaker 2>New Times saying, in quote in Florida, circumstantial evidence like

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<v Speaker 2>in Virginia's trial can put a needle in your arm

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<v Speaker 2>end quote. And so at first, like I said, she

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<v Speaker 2>was sentenced to death. She spent fifteen years on death

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<v Speaker 2>row at Laurel Correctional Institution in Osala, Florida. She now

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<v Speaker 2>is being held at Homestead Correctional Institutution in Florida City,

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<v Speaker 2>and with good behavior she might get released in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thirty four m and she will be eighty one years

1:16:06.840 --> 1:16:09.960
<v Speaker 2>old at that time. She does maintain her innocence, and

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<v Speaker 2>she says that my reputation convicted me, and I never

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<v Speaker 2>got the benefit of the doubt during the time Norman's

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<v Speaker 2>parents gained custody of the youngest children. If you were

1:16:20.280 --> 1:16:24.360
<v Speaker 2>wondering where the kids were now before Jason's trial, remember

1:16:24.400 --> 1:16:28.880
<v Speaker 2>they were tried separately. He ended up firing this lawyer

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<v Speaker 2>for conflict of interest, and thank god, I mean or not,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but his instinct of Wilkins being not

1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:39.880
<v Speaker 2>good is true. So Jason ended up hiring this guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Wesley Lasley to cover his case. This guy drove

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<v Speaker 2>a Porsche, wore a thousand dollars suits penthouse condo, and

1:16:47.080 --> 1:16:50.280
<v Speaker 2>he only did murder one cases, which she called the

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<v Speaker 2>super Bowl. According to the Miami New Times, he monitored

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<v Speaker 2>to Virginia's case and he was disgusted at how bad

1:16:57.160 --> 1:16:59.680
<v Speaker 2>the defense was. He ended up finding a ton of

1:16:59.680 --> 1:17:03.519
<v Speaker 2>evident that would have helped Virginia's case little like little

1:17:03.640 --> 1:17:07.200
<v Speaker 2>errors everywhere, and like she didn't forge the signature on

1:17:07.240 --> 1:17:10.719
<v Speaker 2>her husband's will like was brought up during the case. Also,

1:17:10.760 --> 1:17:14.879
<v Speaker 2>the notary signature was genuine, and a life insurance analyst

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed that the amount of policies weren't excessive and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a totally normal amount for how much this dentist

1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:24.360
<v Speaker 2>was making. He also found evidence refuting that the cement

1:17:24.479 --> 1:17:27.559
<v Speaker 2>was the same. He says that if this was brought

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<v Speaker 2>up that they didn't mix the concrete in the house

1:17:30.000 --> 1:17:31.920
<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't in the same place, she would have

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<v Speaker 2>been acquitted because it would have shown like they should

1:17:35.080 --> 1:17:37.160
<v Speaker 2>have been impeached. Like that means there was perjury and

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<v Speaker 2>lies with the with the guy and girl because it

1:17:41.400 --> 1:17:45.120
<v Speaker 2>wasn't the truth. So like, I guess he found evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that the cement was fully different. And also infok came

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<v Speaker 2>out that hide Out had bad qualities and he was

1:17:51.160 --> 1:17:54.599
<v Speaker 2>like a monger, money hungry liar as well. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is all from a defense attorney, so like he's just

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<v Speaker 2>as untrustworthy as everyone. But like you know, he is

1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:02.840
<v Speaker 2>saying that they got a lot of evidence that this

1:18:02.920 --> 1:18:05.960
<v Speaker 2>guy was not trustworthy at all and that another friend

1:18:06.040 --> 1:18:08.960
<v Speaker 2>testified how Stephen was like violent as hell, and he

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<v Speaker 2>basically this new attorney argued that Hidell was the shooter

1:18:12.479 --> 1:18:14.840
<v Speaker 2>the whole time and that's why he had the murder

1:18:14.880 --> 1:18:17.320
<v Speaker 2>weapon all along, and it was in his house and

1:18:17.360 --> 1:18:19.559
<v Speaker 2>he put it in the creek. He says, how often

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<v Speaker 2>does someone have the murder weapon of a crime that

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<v Speaker 2>they did not commit, And this is the Miami New Times.

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<v Speaker 2>So and it got like really competitive. Dorothy the DA

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<v Speaker 2>approached him and said, I've won thirty two straight capital

1:18:34.240 --> 1:18:36.639
<v Speaker 2>cases and this is going to be number thirty three.

1:18:37.080 --> 1:18:40.040
<v Speaker 2>And Lasley replied, get ready to be thirty two and one.

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<v Speaker 2>So her son was tried the year after her, and

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<v Speaker 2>again so much more evidence, and in a shocking twist,

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<v Speaker 2>the jurors acquitted him of all charges. He was fully acquitted.

1:18:54.120 --> 1:18:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Lasley straight up was like Heidel did it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Heidel got immunity and lied to save his own ass.

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<v Speaker 2>The courtroom was in stunned silence. Jason hugged his attorney.

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<v Speaker 2>He drove off after court in a Sheriff's deputy squad

1:19:06.600 --> 1:19:09.639
<v Speaker 2>car yelling I'm free. It's the best feeling I've ever

1:19:09.680 --> 1:19:12.840
<v Speaker 2>felt in my life. He then enlisted in the US Navy,

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<v Speaker 2>and in terms of his whereabouts, that's that's it. And

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<v Speaker 2>then David Henry, an attorney with the State Capitol Collateral

1:19:19.840 --> 1:19:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Regional Council who tried to vacate her conviction, like says, like,

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<v Speaker 2>how does the shooter get off but the mastermind of

1:19:26.520 --> 1:19:30.040
<v Speaker 2>the shooting be guilty? Yeah, Like that doesn't make sense

1:19:30.040 --> 1:19:32.320
<v Speaker 2>because all of the evidence is like she made her

1:19:32.360 --> 1:19:34.759
<v Speaker 2>son do it and she is guilty, yet he is innocent.

1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:38.920
<v Speaker 2>How does that work? And he thinks, like this David

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<v Speaker 2>Henry guy, he thinks it is an unsolved murder. And

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<v Speaker 2>that was to the New Times and the bottom line

1:19:44.360 --> 1:19:47.559
<v Speaker 2>as there was more than enough reasonable doubt. If we

1:19:47.600 --> 1:19:51.120
<v Speaker 2>don't know who the actual shooter is, we have doubt.

1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:55.360
<v Speaker 2>But she is serving a life sentence and he is off.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like it's like it kind of be

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<v Speaker 1>It sort of sends a message that like you know

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<v Speaker 1>where a murder weapon is, don't say don't tell anyone

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<v Speaker 1>because you could be accused of being the person.

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<v Speaker 4>But also, like, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the lawyer say was Steve Hydell's motive?

1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:14.800
<v Speaker 4>Why did he just want to kill this dentist?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe Virginia did pay Steven like he was there,

1:20:18.600 --> 1:20:22.680
<v Speaker 2>he was just there defending Jason. So and the mom

1:20:22.800 --> 1:20:25.720
<v Speaker 2>that's found guilty, so in his head like maybe that

1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:28.519
<v Speaker 2>was it, like she hired this other guy and not Jason.

1:20:29.280 --> 1:20:31.799
<v Speaker 1>And then they didn't let in the witness who said Jason,

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<v Speaker 1>is that you who heard that? You would have thought

1:20:35.600 --> 1:20:38.519
<v Speaker 1>that would have been like a really like a smoking

1:20:38.560 --> 1:20:41.840
<v Speaker 1>gun kind of fuck this case is insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah. And I didn't find any like New York

1:20:45.920 --> 1:20:49.479
<v Speaker 2>Times or Washington Post or like any national type of stuff.

1:20:49.520 --> 1:20:54.280
<v Speaker 2>There's a snap and there's like other stuff like docu

1:20:54.360 --> 1:20:57.519
<v Speaker 2>style or whatnot. But the fact that there wasn't national,

1:20:57.640 --> 1:20:59.960
<v Speaker 2>like all of my resources are local Florida paper.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen, I don't think Jason seems like he

1:21:03.280 --> 1:21:06.920
<v Speaker 1>had a great life. He went from mom like husband

1:21:06.960 --> 1:21:10.240
<v Speaker 1>to husband with his mom who had been affected by

1:21:10.240 --> 1:21:12.800
<v Speaker 1>trauma and was clearly not in her right mind, and

1:21:12.840 --> 1:21:13.920
<v Speaker 1>then they had.

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<v Speaker 4>A sexual relationship.

1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:17.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like I didn't necessarily want this kid to go

1:21:17.680 --> 1:21:20.320
<v Speaker 1>to jail, but he did do it.

1:21:20.400 --> 1:21:22.920
<v Speaker 4>I feel right, well, I don't know.

1:21:22.960 --> 1:21:24.800
<v Speaker 2>And then because of all this, I'm having like a

1:21:24.800 --> 1:21:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Scott Peterson moment where I'm just like, for Jinga doesn't

1:21:27.640 --> 1:21:31.280
<v Speaker 2>deserve this, like if there's reasonable doubt, like you can't

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<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 4>And her lawyer did suck.

1:21:33.040 --> 1:21:34.439
<v Speaker 2>And so that's why, Oh, I don't know if I

1:21:34.479 --> 1:21:38.719
<v Speaker 2>mentioned this, but that's why her death sentence was turned

1:21:38.760 --> 1:21:42.360
<v Speaker 2>down to a life sentence was because of her lawyer's actions. Yes,

1:21:43.160 --> 1:21:45.760
<v Speaker 2>you said that, I did, Okay, Yeah, So it's like

1:21:45.800 --> 1:21:48.240
<v Speaker 2>she had this bad fucking attorney who didn't do a

1:21:48.280 --> 1:21:51.000
<v Speaker 2>good job, and Jason just sat there letting his mom

1:21:51.040 --> 1:21:53.240
<v Speaker 2>go down. Then fired him and got a better attorney,

1:21:54.000 --> 1:21:56.679
<v Speaker 2>because like, why wouldn't he be like, mom, this attorney sucks,

1:21:56.720 --> 1:21:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Like get a better.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, what a fucking case.

1:22:03.479 --> 1:22:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you know, I hope Gloria Stanfield and Eileen

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<v Speaker 1>warn I mean the fact that she was like in

1:22:10.920 --> 1:22:15.240
<v Speaker 1>jail with in prison with with Eileen Warnosen, that the

1:22:15.280 --> 1:22:16.519
<v Speaker 1>popped Breaston plant.

1:22:16.520 --> 1:22:18.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you really can't make this shit up.

1:22:19.520 --> 1:22:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Crazy anyway, we don't have a guest today, so let's

1:22:24.320 --> 1:22:34.960
<v Speaker 1>just get right into our post mortem. So yeah, no

1:22:35.120 --> 1:22:37.200
<v Speaker 1>guests this week, so we can dive right into our

1:22:37.240 --> 1:22:40.000
<v Speaker 1>post mortem. What an episode. I mean, it's it's a

1:22:40.000 --> 1:22:43.919
<v Speaker 1>classic to me this one. I a little baby Jonathan Bennett.

1:22:44.040 --> 1:22:46.880
<v Speaker 1>We got Audrey Horn from Twin Peaks, and a lot

1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:51.960
<v Speaker 1>of step Son setting people up, setting up your personal

1:22:52.040 --> 1:22:54.639
<v Speaker 1>trainer for you know. I mean, it's like literally this

1:22:54.680 --> 1:22:56.520
<v Speaker 1>is from a telenovela. This episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh well, also, you know we we mention Mean Girls

1:23:00.960 --> 1:23:03.479
<v Speaker 2>and he's out and about. But I did share a

1:23:03.560 --> 1:23:06.720
<v Speaker 2>joint with Damian and from Mean Girls when I was

1:23:06.800 --> 1:23:10.040
<v Speaker 2>last in La and That was really exciting because he's

1:23:10.080 --> 1:23:13.760
<v Speaker 2>winked at me once, but I have never talked to him,

1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:15.120
<v Speaker 2>so that was kind of fun.

1:23:15.400 --> 1:23:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Daniel friend Daisey right, yes, yeah, I met him on

1:23:17.920 --> 1:23:20.960
<v Speaker 1>drag race. And then also when I went to the

1:23:21.040 --> 1:23:23.640
<v Speaker 1>drag competition that you would not the drag competition the

1:23:23.680 --> 1:23:26.360
<v Speaker 1>lip syncing competition at a gay bar in LA that

1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:28.240
<v Speaker 1>you and I judged once. I had gone to the

1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:30.920
<v Speaker 1>one before and he had been competing.

1:23:31.040 --> 1:23:35.080
<v Speaker 2>He had sang, I want to compete, Jacob, I wouldn't

1:23:35.080 --> 1:23:40.839
<v Speaker 2>be good at it. But also I feel it happens

1:23:40.840 --> 1:23:43.840
<v Speaker 2>more in female prisons than male prisons, but I do

1:23:44.000 --> 1:23:46.479
<v Speaker 2>like that all the criminals do end up together or

1:23:46.560 --> 1:23:48.879
<v Speaker 2>they hang out or if like you're the most notorious,

1:23:48.920 --> 1:23:51.920
<v Speaker 2>like you know how like Eileen Warnos and Virginia were

1:23:51.960 --> 1:23:53.720
<v Speaker 2>at the same prison. I feel like it happens more

1:23:53.760 --> 1:23:56.840
<v Speaker 2>with women prisoners than male ones, but they all end

1:23:57.280 --> 1:24:00.840
<v Speaker 2>like the fact that Jen Shawn Elizabeth Holmes together and

1:24:00.880 --> 1:24:04.719
<v Speaker 2>hanging out, like yeah, it's I don't wild.

1:24:05.080 --> 1:24:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't really feel like I ever hear like, oh yeah,

1:24:07.280 --> 1:24:09.639
<v Speaker 1>al al Capone was in.

1:24:09.640 --> 1:24:11.560
<v Speaker 4>Jail with I don't even I'm like making.

1:24:11.360 --> 1:24:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Up gangsters, so the one where a lot of people

1:24:15.160 --> 1:24:17.320
<v Speaker 2>were was I feel like a lot of people were

1:24:17.320 --> 1:24:19.280
<v Speaker 2>with Charles Manson and didn't get along with him. I

1:24:19.280 --> 1:24:21.479
<v Speaker 2>feel like we covered a crime where like she didn't

1:24:21.520 --> 1:24:25.640
<v Speaker 2>get people Charlie Soon, Oh, Charlie Wow.

1:24:25.439 --> 1:24:26.759
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Charlie Manson.

1:24:26.840 --> 1:24:31.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's the I'm sort of like, I think

1:24:31.479 --> 1:24:32.280
<v Speaker 1>that's so.

1:24:32.400 --> 1:24:34.600
<v Speaker 4>Wild that they were in jail together. It didn't like

1:24:34.640 --> 1:24:35.160
<v Speaker 4>each other.

1:24:35.240 --> 1:24:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Because also it's like, also Eileen Warno's as you did

1:24:39.600 --> 1:24:42.559
<v Speaker 1>the research for your crime. When we covered the episode Chameleon, like,

1:24:43.200 --> 1:24:46.639
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't like a bloodthirsty killer. She kind of killed

1:24:46.800 --> 1:24:49.640
<v Speaker 1>out of self defense most of the time, right, Like,

1:24:49.720 --> 1:24:53.440
<v Speaker 1>and she had had been like she had been completely

1:24:53.479 --> 1:24:56.519
<v Speaker 1>abused as a child and stuff, and like this woman

1:24:56.640 --> 1:25:00.679
<v Speaker 1>Virginia starting a relationship with her son and then killing

1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:03.200
<v Speaker 1>her husband, the dentist. It didn't really feel like they.

1:25:03.479 --> 1:25:05.919
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if they when they met in prison, Eileen

1:25:06.040 --> 1:25:07.880
<v Speaker 1>was like, no, you're just like, honestly kind of a

1:25:07.880 --> 1:25:10.360
<v Speaker 1>sick fuck. And I was doing this because I uh,

1:25:10.680 --> 1:25:12.519
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to these johns were trying to hurt me,

1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:13.320
<v Speaker 1>and I had to kill him.

1:25:14.120 --> 1:25:17.280
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe the first John was necessity and then

1:25:18.320 --> 1:25:19.240
<v Speaker 2>and then she loved it.

1:25:19.880 --> 1:25:21.840
<v Speaker 4>I think, well, because I think it was the.

1:25:23.360 --> 1:25:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Like they represented everybody that ignored her and abused her

1:25:27.080 --> 1:25:29.519
<v Speaker 2>in the past, and her dad that molested her. Like

1:25:29.600 --> 1:25:32.240
<v Speaker 2>I do feel like, you know, you get triggered or

1:25:32.280 --> 1:25:34.719
<v Speaker 2>maybe they said one thing or something and then it's

1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:39.040
<v Speaker 2>like fuck yourself. Like I can I can see having

1:25:39.080 --> 1:25:41.880
<v Speaker 2>it make you feel better, like smoking a joint, like

1:25:41.920 --> 1:25:44.840
<v Speaker 2>a nice release. If I was a kid like I,

1:25:45.040 --> 1:25:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I bet if you're a killer, killing probably makes you

1:25:48.960 --> 1:25:51.479
<v Speaker 2>feel good after versu if you killed someone and you're

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<v Speaker 2>not a real killer on the inside, you might be panicked.

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<v Speaker 2>You might be.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what I created this benevolent feminist character of Eilean

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<v Speaker 1>more Nose in my head, where I'm like, she's just.

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<v Speaker 4>Killing people that are trying.

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<v Speaker 2>To hurt her, Like I think it's started that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think all these gens are probably bad people. I

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<v Speaker 2>do you know murder is bad? To quote Gypsy Rose,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually just watched a TikTok of Gypsy Rose. I

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<v Speaker 2>think she's about to get into the category that I

1:26:18.720 --> 1:26:23.439
<v Speaker 2>like Secrets from Prison and she was. She was doing

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<v Speaker 2>a recipe for at home red Bull that she would

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<v Speaker 2>make in prison and she still has it sometimes.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's like folgers.

1:26:29.760 --> 1:26:32.120
<v Speaker 2>You mix it in with water and then you put

1:26:32.120 --> 1:26:37.920
<v Speaker 2>in crush Jolly Ranchers fanta and there was one more

1:26:38.080 --> 1:26:42.040
<v Speaker 2>pink ingredient and then you mix it up and drink

1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:44.639
<v Speaker 2>it and it gives you the jolts you need.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyways, right, murder's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think what I remember from all that

1:26:51.320 --> 1:26:55.640
<v Speaker 2>research was just that women get sentenced to death so

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<v Speaker 2>much faster. Evidence wasn't brought on, the jury didn't deliberate,

1:26:59.320 --> 1:27:02.160
<v Speaker 2>and you have the Ted Bundy type figures who truly

1:27:02.280 --> 1:27:07.320
<v Speaker 2>murder dozens and dozens of women, and they get people

1:27:07.360 --> 1:27:10.320
<v Speaker 2>trying to get them off the death penalty, and yeah,

1:27:10.479 --> 1:27:13.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, the jury's really thinking about it, and you

1:27:14.040 --> 1:27:15.840
<v Speaker 2>have this woman and I think in like two hours

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, yeah, I murderer, bye, and just that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, no, I don't I don't know anymore. I

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<v Speaker 4>really don't know.

1:27:28.040 --> 1:27:28.479
<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>So what have we learned from this episode? Leave the

1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:35.760
<v Speaker 1>teen boys alone? Please don't fuck your child? Is that

1:27:36.200 --> 1:27:39.120
<v Speaker 1>or your stepchild or your step I don't really care

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<v Speaker 1>about the blood anyone that you've had a mother like

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<v Speaker 1>role in their life.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care if you haven't seen them.

1:27:45.400 --> 1:27:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, teacher, neighbor, leave the children alone. That we should

1:27:50.920 --> 1:27:53.879
<v Speaker 2>start a charity called leave the children Alone.

1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:54.959
<v Speaker 4>Leave the children.

1:27:55.600 --> 1:27:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Let this boy play lacrosse in peace, for fuck's sake,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus talking about the guy in the And.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really tough because so often when it's like an

1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:08.320
<v Speaker 2>attractive older woman and a young boy, people don't want

1:28:08.320 --> 1:28:09.640
<v Speaker 2>to even take it seriously.

1:28:10.120 --> 1:28:14.280
<v Speaker 4>They're like jazzed about it, and yeah, they're.

1:28:14.120 --> 1:28:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Like, lucky guy.

1:28:15.439 --> 1:28:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the lucky bastard disease or something like that, or yeah,

1:28:19.400 --> 1:28:22.400
<v Speaker 1>it's so fucking o. Wait, but I was gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>someone was scared to tell me something they were like

1:28:25.640 --> 1:28:28.559
<v Speaker 1>and then it was the most benign thing. I was like,

1:28:28.920 --> 1:28:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I just researched a man who raised like a child

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<v Speaker 1>to be a pedophile to in a van, Like nothing

1:28:34.920 --> 1:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you say can harm me, nothing like it was just

1:28:40.000 --> 1:28:42.360
<v Speaker 1>such a not even gross thing. I'm like, you don't

1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:44.479
<v Speaker 1>even know where the depths of my brain have gone.

1:28:44.560 --> 1:28:47.280
<v Speaker 1>And all of you listeners as well, I'm not letting

1:28:47.320 --> 1:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>you off the hook. We're all fucking maniacs.

1:28:50.200 --> 1:28:53.639
<v Speaker 2>And it's just it's tough the threshold other people have

1:28:53.880 --> 1:28:55.080
<v Speaker 2>and I was just like, you.

1:28:55.040 --> 1:28:57.639
<v Speaker 4>Know, there wasn't there like a TikTok trind a while ago.

1:28:57.640 --> 1:28:59.439
<v Speaker 1>That was like, you think you can hurt me? I

1:28:59.520 --> 1:29:01.760
<v Speaker 1>did like this in third grade or whatever. It's like,

1:29:01.800 --> 1:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>you think you can hurt me. I literally research a

1:29:04.280 --> 1:29:08.080
<v Speaker 1>man who raised a child, like stole a child and raised.

1:29:07.920 --> 1:29:08.759
<v Speaker 4>Him to be a pedophile.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in casting steel or even the bear thing, like,

1:29:14.360 --> 1:29:16.519
<v Speaker 2>it's like you don't even know the depths of what

1:29:16.600 --> 1:29:17.880
<v Speaker 2>your fellow man can do.

1:29:18.960 --> 1:29:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh, somebody messaged us about the bear thing. That was

1:29:22.400 --> 1:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>so interesting too. It's like, look at it, look at

1:29:25.160 --> 1:29:28.840
<v Speaker 1>it factually. Statistically, when you look at the statistics of

1:29:28.920 --> 1:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>bear of bear deaths, there's been like one in the

1:29:31.840 --> 1:29:34.519
<v Speaker 1>United States in the past year. And if you look

1:29:34.560 --> 1:29:37.960
<v Speaker 1>at how many deaths are caused by men to women, please.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that is good. I'm feeling thank you for

1:29:40.880 --> 1:29:43.439
<v Speaker 2>writing that in Yeah, let's look at the numbers, bitch. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>rather meet a shark too? About that?

1:29:46.760 --> 1:29:47.920
<v Speaker 4>How about that?

1:29:48.520 --> 1:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Well?

1:29:48.960 --> 1:29:52.240
<v Speaker 4>And that submarine? Oh god, remember that?

1:29:52.280 --> 1:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, the submarine that haunts me. That is

1:29:55.000 --> 1:29:56.439
<v Speaker 1>truly haunting to me like that.

1:29:56.640 --> 1:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh, actually, when I was eating alone in Santa Fe,

1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I met in a really cool lesbian couple was sitting

1:30:04.000 --> 1:30:06.680
<v Speaker 2>next to me celebrating their one year wedding anniversary, and

1:30:06.720 --> 1:30:08.200
<v Speaker 2>I asked, oh, how was the wedding? You know, I

1:30:08.240 --> 1:30:11.800
<v Speaker 2>love weddings, and they started laughing and basically one of

1:30:11.840 --> 1:30:14.040
<v Speaker 2>the brides, her mother died the morning of the wedding.

1:30:14.439 --> 1:30:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

1:30:16.280 --> 1:30:19.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and my god.

1:30:19.240 --> 1:30:21.280
<v Speaker 2>So this is like their one year and so they

1:30:21.280 --> 1:30:23.200
<v Speaker 2>went on like, you know, a woo woo kind of

1:30:23.240 --> 1:30:24.839
<v Speaker 2>trip Grand Canyon, New Mexico.

1:30:24.960 --> 1:30:26.160
<v Speaker 4>But that's I digress.

1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:30.000
<v Speaker 2>We fuck now. I forgot because I got into I

1:30:30.000 --> 1:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>got so into the wedding. Why was I taught? But

1:30:33.760 --> 1:30:36.160
<v Speaker 2>we got into the podcast. Oh, I started about Casey.

1:30:36.280 --> 1:30:40.160
<v Speaker 2>That's it. We started talking about the podcast because one

1:30:40.160 --> 1:30:43.200
<v Speaker 2>of them loves law and Order. And then I, you know,

1:30:43.320 --> 1:30:46.240
<v Speaker 2>famously Casey came up with soft straight right.

1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I was bringing up our He's.

1:30:50.040 --> 1:30:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Our favorite soft straight Yeah, because sometimes when we talk

1:30:53.200 --> 1:30:55.200
<v Speaker 2>about the bears in the me, I would rather meet

1:30:55.240 --> 1:30:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Casey than a bear.

1:30:56.600 --> 1:30:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Sure, woods, Yeah, but you don't get to pick the

1:30:58.720 --> 1:31:00.479
<v Speaker 1>man in the scenario. So you got to go with

1:31:00.520 --> 1:31:01.160
<v Speaker 1>the numbers.

1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:04.600
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, I could just but you Yeah, but I

1:31:04.680 --> 1:31:08.360
<v Speaker 2>was that's the nicest thing you've ever said, should say

1:31:08.400 --> 1:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>lots of nice things. But I was explaining to this

1:31:11.960 --> 1:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>couple about soft straits and they were like laughing so hard.

1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm married to a soft straight. I think

1:31:18.000 --> 1:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Jared's a soft straight for sure. Yeah.

1:31:20.280 --> 1:31:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I think I've told him that. But it just makes

1:31:23.400 --> 1:31:26.840
<v Speaker 2>sense because you know, Casey, when we rile you rail

1:31:26.880 --> 1:31:29.840
<v Speaker 2>about all this, He's never afterwards gone, well, you know,

1:31:30.720 --> 1:31:33.360
<v Speaker 2>I actually am okay, you know what I mean. It's

1:31:33.439 --> 1:31:36.639
<v Speaker 2>like it's just such a thing that doesn't happen often.

1:31:37.200 --> 1:31:39.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, that's true. Jared would argue with me more.

1:31:39.920 --> 1:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>But if I ran in him in the woods, I

1:31:41.280 --> 1:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>could kill him in a second, you know what I mean.

1:31:46.400 --> 1:31:47.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's gonna argue with me.

1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, that's so amazing. Yeah. Cool. There's a

1:31:53.920 --> 1:31:57.240
<v Speaker 2>couple coming to one of my shows and I'm like,

1:31:57.280 --> 1:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>I think you guys are going to break up after

1:32:00.479 --> 1:32:03.840
<v Speaker 2>keep us posted. I could. I just know what I

1:32:03.920 --> 1:32:07.000
<v Speaker 2>know what I've heard about the boyfriend that like, I

1:32:07.040 --> 1:32:08.920
<v Speaker 2>know he's going to have an issue with something like

1:32:09.000 --> 1:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I just I can sense it in my bones. So

1:32:10.920 --> 1:32:11.360
<v Speaker 2>we'll see.

1:32:11.400 --> 1:32:13.639
<v Speaker 1>I love that people are bringing like I think every

1:32:13.640 --> 1:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>woman should be required to bring their spouse or their

1:32:16.920 --> 1:32:21.840
<v Speaker 1>male partner to a Lisa Trigger Comedy live comedy performance

1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>to as a litmus test.

1:32:24.040 --> 1:32:26.679
<v Speaker 2>There was a man yesterday alone in the front row.

1:32:26.760 --> 1:32:30.479
<v Speaker 2>I was not Yeah, I was kind excited. Ye love that,

1:32:31.280 --> 1:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, And that's bless everyone that I've run into.

1:32:33.960 --> 1:32:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I've run into a bunch of our listeners all across

1:32:36.400 --> 1:32:36.880
<v Speaker 2>the city.

1:32:36.920 --> 1:32:39.280
<v Speaker 4>It's nice. That's so nice.

1:32:39.200 --> 1:32:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really cutie people respect. Yeah.

1:32:41.920 --> 1:32:46.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I love everybody I've ever run into. All right, well, no,

1:32:46.840 --> 1:32:47.880
<v Speaker 4>I just ran into somebody.

1:32:47.920 --> 1:32:47.960
<v Speaker 3>No.

1:32:48.240 --> 1:32:50.360
<v Speaker 1>I just ran into somebody at my comedy show last

1:32:50.360 --> 1:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>week and she was inside the bar and I go,

1:32:52.720 --> 1:32:53.599
<v Speaker 1>are you coming to the show?

1:32:53.640 --> 1:32:55.400
<v Speaker 2>She was like no, and I was like, okay.

1:32:55.520 --> 1:32:57.360
<v Speaker 4>She just wanted to tell me she loved my podcast

1:32:57.400 --> 1:32:58.120
<v Speaker 4>but wasn't coming.

1:32:58.479 --> 1:33:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah's my student. They're surely humiliating because sometimes people

1:33:02.200 --> 1:33:04.120
<v Speaker 2>will approach me and then I talk so much that

1:33:04.120 --> 1:33:08.839
<v Speaker 2>they're like okay, bye, like they're over me at one point,

1:33:09.400 --> 1:33:10.760
<v Speaker 2>or when I go do you want a photo and

1:33:10.800 --> 1:33:14.320
<v Speaker 2>they're like no, I just wanted to say so say hi.

1:33:15.200 --> 1:33:17.400
<v Speaker 4>All right, let's get into what would sister Peg?

1:33:17.479 --> 1:33:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Do you guys know?

1:33:18.520 --> 1:33:20.639
<v Speaker 1>This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards

1:33:20.640 --> 1:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>an organization, a blog post which I love to say

1:33:23.760 --> 1:33:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to keep myself young, a documentary, something that gives you

1:33:27.960 --> 1:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>more info about what we talked about today.

1:33:29.400 --> 1:33:32.320
<v Speaker 4>And you know, I think that we're talking.

1:33:32.080 --> 1:33:36.599
<v Speaker 1>About these the stereotype is that a young boy who's

1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:38.880
<v Speaker 1>involved in a relationship with an older woman or something

1:33:39.120 --> 1:33:41.519
<v Speaker 1>is that it's a relationship, and it's not.

1:33:41.680 --> 1:33:42.799
<v Speaker 4>It is sexual assault.

1:33:43.120 --> 1:33:45.240
<v Speaker 1>And so I wanted to point you guys to the

1:33:45.320 --> 1:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>organization called one in six. It is an organization named

1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>for the fact that at least one in six men

1:33:51.800 --> 1:33:55.400
<v Speaker 1>have been sexually abused or assaulted. The group was formed

1:33:55.600 --> 1:33:58.719
<v Speaker 1>in response to a lack of resources addressing the impact

1:33:58.760 --> 1:34:01.840
<v Speaker 1>of negative childhood sexual experiences on the lives of adult men,

1:34:02.280 --> 1:34:05.559
<v Speaker 1>one of the many underrecognized aspects of childhood sexual abuse,

1:34:06.040 --> 1:34:09.519
<v Speaker 1>and they offer free and confidential online support groups, training,

1:34:09.680 --> 1:34:13.519
<v Speaker 1>and male survivor stories. So, yeah, like when you talk

1:34:13.560 --> 1:34:15.759
<v Speaker 1>to someone who's like, I lost my virginity at twelve,

1:34:16.479 --> 1:34:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that's not really what happened. So for more information, you

1:34:20.800 --> 1:34:24.160
<v Speaker 1>can go to one in six dot org. And as always,

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<v Speaker 1>I will post this as a story on the day

1:34:26.320 --> 1:34:28.360
<v Speaker 1>that this episode comes out, and it will be saved

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<v Speaker 1>forever in our WWSPD highlight on our Instagram page, which

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1:34:34.880 --> 1:34:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for that.

1:34:36.240 --> 1:34:38.719
<v Speaker 4>It is a topic that I feel passionately about.

1:34:39.520 --> 1:34:42.160
<v Speaker 2>And next week we will be doing fast Times at

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<v Speaker 2>the Wheelhouse from season twenty three, episode five.

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<v Speaker 4>It might be called something different. Yeah, the drill. We'll

1:34:50.160 --> 1:34:51.080
<v Speaker 4>get onto it.

1:34:51.320 --> 1:34:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Just get on fucking Hulu, get on Peacock, and get

1:34:55.200 --> 1:34:58.880
<v Speaker 2>to season twenty three episode five. We'll discuss everything that

1:34:58.960 --> 1:35:01.320
<v Speaker 2>seemed authoritative and rude. But I am obsessed with you

1:35:01.439 --> 1:35:05.040
<v Speaker 2>and I am gentle. Thank you, Bye, got ex next week,

1:35:13.960 --> 1:35:16.840
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1:35:16.840 --> 1:35:19.439
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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much to our senior producer, Casey O'Brien

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<v Speaker 2>and our associate producer Christina Chamberlain, and to our.

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<v Speaker 1>Mixer John Bradley and our guest booker Patrick Cottner.

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<v Speaker 2>And to Henry Kaperski for our theme song and Carly

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<v Speaker 2>gen Andrews for our artwork.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you to our executive producers Georgia hard Start, Karen Kilgareff,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Kramer and everybody at Exactly Right Media dot