1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huddle on giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: dot com. 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 2: We go here, we go on the Giants bubble. 4 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Let him there, Let's go. Part of the Giants Podcast Network. 5 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought 6 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: to you by ps and G Energy Efficiency for game 7 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: time At any time, visit PSG dot com slash Giants 8 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: for discounts, rebates and home energy assessments. Today we're joined 9 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: by someone that spent twenty five years in the NFL 10 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: and various personnel roles in the front office. He was 11 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: a director of college scouting. Recently he was a vice 12 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: president of personnel with the Philadelphia Eagles, so you obviously 13 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: know he knows how to build a team based on 14 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: how the Eagles have played these last couple of years. 15 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: He is a TJ McGray who is now the director 16 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: of scouting over at the thirty thirteen go check it 17 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: out at the thirty third team dot Com. TJ. John 18 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: Schmelke here in the Giants facility and he's Rutherford. I 19 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: think our fans will forgive you for your Eagles affiliation 20 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: given the great information you're gonna bring them today. 21 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: How you doing, man, good job, Thanks for having me. 22 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: I appreciate it, not no problem. 23 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's good to have you on the program. So 24 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: let's start here right now. Teams are kind of in 25 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: their draft meetings right now, talking to their coaches, their scouts, 26 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: everybody in their front office about putting together their draft board. 27 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: What was this process like for you, especially with Philadelphia 28 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: the last few years, trying to get everything done. 29 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: Well, I would say at this point of where we 30 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: are in the process, now you're really getting the coaches involved. 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: You give the coaches players to do, and you kind 32 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: of compare that to what the scouts did, and then 33 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: you also have the pro days that have been going 34 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: on you have to combine. So now you're getting all 35 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:45,639 Speaker 2: that extra information and you're putting your board together from 36 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: one to usually one twenty five, one point fifty and 37 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: basically now you're you're trying to get through clumps of 38 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: players and organize them and figure those clumps of players out. 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And to expl pan it for fans, boards 40 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: are stacked horizontally and vertically, right, so you have them 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: ranked one through whatever, two fifty. However many guys are 42 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: on your board one fifty, two hundred, and then you 43 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: have them stacked horizontally where you can see them ranked 44 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: by position correct, so you're kind of working them both 45 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: at the same time. I guess we'll start here. Traditionally, DJ, 46 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: how many people did you guys have on your board 47 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: when all was said and done at the end of 48 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: this draft process. 49 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: There was usually about one hundred and forty five or 50 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty players that we felt could be 51 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: on our team, draftable players that we would pick that 52 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: we would want on the Eagles or whichever team I 53 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 2: was at now. 54 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: I figured fans would be like, wait, wait a second, 55 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: there's seven rounds, there's you know, two hundred and thirty 56 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: forty picks. You know, with the compics when you get 57 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: to the end of the draft, did you always have 58 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: guys left on your board or did you sometimes get 59 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: wiped out? Given the length of the draft and the 60 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: numbers of people on your board, I. 61 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: Would say, we've always had players that we would pick. 62 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: We would never be completely wiped out, but it oftentimes 63 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: the board kind of gets picked off just like you 64 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: have it, so you're not wiped out, but you feel 65 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: like you did a good job because that's the way 66 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 2: the draft went. If the board that's the way the 67 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: board just kind of got peeled off. 68 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so, I guess let me ask you this 69 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: way then, too, what gets you down to one fifty? 70 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: Is it just based on threshold you guys have at 71 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: certain positions where guys just don't fit your program and 72 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: your scheme on either side? What is the biggest driving 73 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: factor from getting that board down to so few players 74 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: when so many are draft eligible? 75 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of it has to do 76 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: with the player, the person. You're eliminating a lot of 77 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: players just based off they're not a good fit for 78 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: your team. You know, just like any business, John, you 79 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: don't want to work with jerks. You don't want to 80 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: be around people that you know aren't a fit in 81 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: what you're trying to accomplish. So a lot of players 82 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: are eliminated off that right there. And then you also, 83 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: we always pick the best player. We always pick the 84 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: best player, but there is an aspect of need in that. 85 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: You know, if we have if we're strong at a 86 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: certain position, we're certainly not going to, you know, take 87 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 2: that player just just because he's good. But we have 88 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: a player that's almost as good at a different position, 89 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: we would take that player. 90 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: No, that makes total sense. 91 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: All right. 92 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you, how do you put position 93 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: value TJ into your draft process when you grade the guys? 94 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: Do you just grade them based on how good they 95 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,119 Speaker 1: are and then when you stack them you might stack 96 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: them with position value in mind? How do you put 97 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: that into your process where it's reflected in your board 98 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: and your grades and how you stack them on draft day? 99 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: Well, when you grade the player in the fall, you're 100 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: grading on what kind of player he is related to 101 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: the scheme you run, and as the process goes, you 102 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: talk through it more in depth to see if he 103 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: would be a fit for you. Now, all the teams 104 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: I've always been on, John, they were best player available, 105 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 2: we would pick the best player. But there's a little 106 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: caveat to that. And what I what I would say 107 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: would be if if you have your players ranked like 108 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 2: ABCD and F just like you would in school, you 109 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: would take you would take a B minus over a 110 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: B plus based on need, but you would never take 111 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: a B plus over an A minus based on need. 112 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: In other words, you wouldn't leave a certain standard, but 113 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: within a grade, you would go based on need and 114 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: pick that player. 115 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: If that's it's almost you have guys in tiers, right 116 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: where you have like six or seven guys in a 117 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: tier and you'll say, all right, well we have a 118 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: guard with this in a tier with a corner or 119 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: offensive tackle. Then based on either need or how you 120 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: value the positions, that's who you're gonna delineate those virtual 121 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: quote unquote ties on your grading board. 122 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: Exactly right, Yep. 123 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: That makes sense because I think people look at the 124 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: way the Eagles are drafted in the way Howie Roseman 125 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: is operated, which by the way, has been very well 126 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: given the roster he's put together, and they kind of 127 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: sit there and they're like, well, Howie, you know he 128 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: only wants to draft offensive line in the defensive line, 129 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: and that's who he targets in the draft. But as 130 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: someone that's been in that room and seeing the process, 131 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: these are the best graded players on the board. There's 132 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: nobody that you're passing on in a in a significantly 133 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: higher tier in a different spot to focus on the 134 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: fronts on both sides of the ball. 135 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. They're not gonna pass on a great player. 136 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna take the best player available. 137 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: No, I look, I think that makes a lot of sense. 138 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: All right. 139 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: I think we're seeing with the draft this year, and 140 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: I think it's been a bit of a trend. TJ 141 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: players are shrinking, right, I mean, they're just not as 142 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: big anymore, especially on the perimeter and a wide receiver. 143 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: And I think you're a really interesting person to talk 144 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: to here because the Eagles are a team that two 145 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: years ago, in a trade that really made Giant fans angry. 146 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: To be quite honest with that, he traded up to 147 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: grab Davanta Smith, right, and he was you know, he 148 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: didn't really wave in the process. He was around one 149 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: seventy one sixty five. I don't know whatever number you 150 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: guys had on him, but you decided that, look, even 151 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: though he's an outlier in terms of weight, he's worth picking. 152 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: So I guess my question for you is, when you 153 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: guys looked at Davonta Smith, what made you say, all right, 154 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: even though not many guys at the size has necessarily 155 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: had a lot of success in the league, this is 156 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: a guy that we're not only willing to pick, but 157 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: willing to pick in the top twelve. 158 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: I think the game has changed. The game is such 159 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: a spread out game now you don't need that girth 160 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: at that position as much as you as you used to. 161 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: It's all about speed, spacing, timing, quickness, and like with 162 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: a player like that, he understood when I watched him, 163 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: he understands how to take a hit. Now, I'm not 164 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: saying he's not a tough guy, but he understands how 165 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: to protect himself and how to take a hit. And 166 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: that comes from an instinct that the kid has and 167 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: outstanding body control. So when I remember when I graded 168 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: him and evaluated him, that really stuck out to me. 169 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: The kid understood how to take a hit. 170 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I thought the other thing TJ when I 171 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: watched him that year. You know you worry about the 172 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: smaller guys getting off press outside. No one could press him. 173 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: He was just so good at the line of scrimmage 174 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: that that also really wasn't a warrior, at least when 175 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: I watched him. 176 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: He has an incredible knack for that to go along 177 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: with the quickness to avoid people. And that's I'd bring 178 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: back to the instinctive part of the game. Very instinctive kid. 179 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: He understands. Some of these players and they've been doing 180 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: seven on seven camps since they were eight, nine, ten 181 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: years old. They do this a lot, whereas you know, 182 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 2: twenty years ago, these they were playing in the backyard 183 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: and just playing for their high school team. These kids 184 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: are are so skilled now in regards to route running, 185 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: catching the ball, throwing the ball, understanding how to run 186 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: a route, and we even stem there's a they're so 187 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: good at it because they do it so much now. 188 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: It's incredible. 189 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. So you're looking at this draft class, now, 190 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: you got I'll just throw a few names out there. 191 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: You know, got Jordan Addison's, A Flowers, Josh Downs, Uh, 192 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: just guys that are not very big and TJ. I 193 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: think the Giants right now have a plethor of guys 194 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: in their building that are considered, probably by most is 195 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: being slot guys. While no Ronminson was drafted last year, 196 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: Paris Cambello's played the slot throw strowing Shepherd into the mix. 197 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: They signed Jamison Crowder this offseason, right, guys that primarily 198 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: have operated in the slot. So when you're looking at 199 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: these smaller wide receivers, what are the traits that you 200 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: keep an eye on that make you think they can 201 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: succeed outside and not just be slot only players. 202 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: Well, I want to see them do it in college 203 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: I want to see them play on the outside, be 204 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: able to stretch the field, be able to run the 205 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: different route concepts an outside player would run. But to me, 206 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: a receiving course should be like a basketball team. You 207 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: need a little quick guy, you need a big power forward, 208 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: you need a center. You have to have a variety 209 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: of different players. And I mean the Giants are at 210 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: twenty five in this draft. There will be a receiver 211 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: there that can play on the outside. There's going to 212 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 2: be someone there. I understand that they would probably want 213 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: to get bigger though that you'd want a guy with 214 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: some size that can go on the outside and stretch 215 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: the field. 216 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: What's the eventage TJ in building a basketball team like that, 217 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: because you're right. Look, you stand Aj Brown next to 218 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: DeVonta Smith. They're literally fifty pounds apart. Yet they play 219 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: the same position and it's crazy to think that, but 220 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: they do. So what's the event that you talk about 221 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: the types of rats you wanted to run, the type 222 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: of way you want to use them. Can you just 223 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: kind of get a little bit more in depth in 224 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: how having a basketball team helps your offense operate in 225 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: that way? 226 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's all about helping the quarterback and 227 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: what makes the quarterback feel secure. And you may have 228 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: an insight slot player who's not as big, but he 229 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 2: has incredible quickness and rout awareness where he can find 230 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: that little debt area get open and the quarterback can 231 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: throw the ball. Or you may have a guy in 232 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: the outside who has incredible size and length and ball skills, 233 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: and that gives the quarterback as another security blanket where 234 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: I know, hey, on this route with this player's size, 235 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: I can just kind of throw the ball up and 236 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: he can go up and get it. So I think 237 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: it's all about protecting the quarterback, making him feel secure, 238 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: and there's just different skill set for those different routes 239 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: for different places that they're aligned down the field. That's 240 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: how I basically would say it. 241 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: No, I think that makes total sense. And when you 242 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: look at this wide receiver class, we could dig into 243 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: it a little bit more now and you're going to 244 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: check out the big board at the thirty third team 245 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: dot Com. And I love this board because it's a 246 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: little bit different than what we see from other people, 247 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: but you know, you and other people that worked in 248 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: the league have put it together, which I think will 249 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: give fans the idea of how different some of these 250 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: boards can can be around the lead sometimes and you 251 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: know you have Addison is your wide receiver. Two you 252 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: know one seventy three, Jalen Hyatt is your wide receiver. 253 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: Three one seventy six, you have Josh Downs as your 254 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Five one seventy one, Zave Flowers is your 255 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: wide receiver six one eighty two. And shockingly he did 256 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: not weigh into as pro dad. I wonder why. He's 257 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: probably in the one seventies as well. So you look 258 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: at those four guys, TJ. Separate them for me a 259 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: little bit. How are they different? And based on what 260 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: the Giants have on their roster, which guy do you 261 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: think would be a really good fit for what the 262 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: Giants do? 263 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: Well? I like bits and pieces of each one of them. 264 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: What stood out with Addison to me is how crafty 265 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: and instinctive he is as a route runner, very polished, 266 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: looks like he's been doing it his whole life. I 267 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: like him a lot. Now he may not be the 268 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 2: most explosive player, but uh, he's going to be a 269 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: really good pro. He's going to be a really good pro. 270 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: Hyatt has the outstanding explosiveness. If I'm a defensive coordinator. 271 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: He scares the heck out of me because he's so explosive. 272 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: Downs I would say is similar. He doesn't have that size, 273 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: but he is fast. Maybe not the explosiveness is Piet 274 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 2: as far as play speed, but he can really roll. 275 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: And then you have another small guy with flowers and 276 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: you know, these small guys got to be fast. But 277 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: if I'm the Giants, I think I'm looking more with 278 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: players with size. John A player that could maybe sneak 279 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: into the first round and maybe in that ballpark for 280 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: the Giants is Jonathan Mingo from Old Miss. Now. He's 281 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: a big, fast, wrong, tough guy with crazy upstanding ball skills. 282 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: He's a guy to keep an eye on. And you know, 283 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: Quentin Johnston is our number one receiver. He may not 284 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: go number one. You know, we don't make our base 285 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: base our big board on where they're going to go, 286 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: but how they're going to be NFL players and how 287 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: they're going to produce. There's an outside chance he could 288 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: be there. 289 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Quinn john and TJ is interesting to me 290 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: because he's almost like a weird profile where he's he's tall, 291 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: but he's not great on contested catches. But he's skinny, 292 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: but he's great after the catch, and he doesn't want 293 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: to you know, a really wide route tree. So had 294 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: he kind of parse all those differences in his games. 295 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: I have trouble finding, you know, guys similar to him 296 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: and his size with his skills that are currently in 297 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: the league. But at the same time, you do based 298 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: on his traits, see how high that ceiling could get. 299 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that he flashed some really good things 300 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: with the ball in the air down the field. I 301 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: think he's going to be a better pro, very similar 302 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: to Dawson Knox from the same school. Remember he was 303 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: a tight end. He's now with the Bills, who didn't 304 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: really have a productive college career at Old Miss, but 305 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: he gets to the NFL and he's a better pro. 306 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: I think this kid could be a better pro than 307 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: he was in college. And he's very interesting. I'm sorry 308 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: I was talking about Mingo, but with Quintin Johnston I 309 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: saw flashes of things that were really good with him 310 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: down the field, and you mentioned the run after the 311 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: Cats was outstanding. 312 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: And then you mentioned you want to see the guys 313 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: do it right. So I'm going to ask you about 314 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: Jackson is a Thnjiguo. Now, I don't think he's going 315 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: to be the one the Giants pick at twenty five, 316 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: but he's a guy we really didn't see play outside 317 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: much at Ohio State, but he has the size to 318 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: do its six foot one ninety six. He's certainly a 319 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: great route runner. Is his three Cohen and his you know, 320 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: lateral quickness drills were phenomenal, really good route runner. So 321 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: when you see a guy like that that hasn't done it, 322 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: is that someone that you're more comfortable projecting outside. Just 323 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: based on his traits and what he's done on the field. 324 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: I feel like Jackson is more of an inside slot 325 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: okay drafty receiver. The p problem I have with Jackson 326 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: is his speed. I know he ran fairly well at 327 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: his pro day, but the play speed on the field 328 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: is very concerning. But he's still going to be a 329 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: solid player because he can do everything else so well. 330 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: But the speed is a big concern. But I think 331 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: he's a slot inside player. 332 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I gotta imagine when you talk about finding 333 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: guys in the play outside, being able to stack these 334 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: guys and get behind him and challenge deep has to 335 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: be a big part of that, right, you want someone 336 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: outside that that can challenge. 337 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: Vertically, right, Yes, because if you have if you don't 338 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: have any speed on the outside, it allows the defenses 339 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: to do a lot of things that will hurt you. 340 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: You have to threaten them with that outside explosiveness. 341 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: Now, I'm one hundred percent with you. You mentioned Mingo 342 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: as a guy that gets slide into the first round. 343 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: There seems to be a little group here, and the 344 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: way I put my groupings together in Tears, I kind 345 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: of have the same thing where you mentioned Mingo. But 346 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: you also have Cedric Tillman, you have Rashie Rice, you 347 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: have Kaishan Bhute, you have at Perry. You know this 348 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: kind of group that's in a cluster of bigger wide 349 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: receivers that can play outside that are probably you know, 350 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: late second round, mid second round pick type of area. 351 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: Is that group If one of those guys is available, 352 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: good value for the Giants in round two if they 353 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: don't go, if they don't go for a wide receiver 354 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: with the twenty fifth overall pick, yep. 355 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: So you gonna take one of those guys in round two. 356 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: You're gonna get a player without standing size. You may 357 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: not get quite the explosiveness that you'll get in the 358 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: first round. That's what you know you're gonna get in 359 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: the round two. But those guys you mentioned, like at Perry. 360 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: At Perry has a rare trait with his size, and 361 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: when you watch the film, he can do some outstanding things. 362 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 2: He's hard to cover just because he's so big. But yeah, 363 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: all those guys you mentioned are gonna be there in 364 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: the forties and fifties. That would be good picks for 365 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: the Giants. All. They all have traits for sure. 366 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: I love Perry's ball tracking downfield, whether you know he'll 367 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: maybe looking over his inside sholder, here's a swish to 368 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: his outside. He can kind of make those plays, which 369 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: you think for a tall guy is pretty valuable. And 370 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: then I think Tilmod is somebody that people really like 371 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: TJ where you know he kind of played on that 372 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: high ankle spring this year. Had he had the surgery 373 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: so he can come back and play, I think teams 374 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: like that. And then you go back to his tape 375 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: from last season, the games he had against Georgia and Alabama. 376 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: I think, you know, you watch him this year, he 377 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: looks more like kind of like a big possession guy. 378 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: But I know some people think he has some more 379 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: juice based on what he did in twenty twenty one. 380 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you always you're a good scout. You've gone back 381 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: and watched these. 382 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: Guys I try. 383 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you really do. Yeah, you have to go look 384 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 2: at the full body of work, because you know, sometimes 385 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: these players get dinged for being tough and fighting through injuries, 386 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: but you know, the tape doesn't look as good because 387 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: they're not running as fast because they're hurt. But really 388 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: the truth of the matter is they're tough guys. They're 389 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 2: fighting through injuries just like we want them to. So 390 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: you have to look at everything, go back to when 391 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 2: they were sat juniors and see the real speed that 392 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: they have. That's a that's a great point. That's why 393 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: you have as a scout to watch the entire body 394 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: of work or the player. Otherwise it's not fair to 395 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: the player. It's not fair to your club. 396 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. Are there any interior offensive lineman 397 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: you I'm talking center specifically TJ that you think are 398 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: going to be worth the bang for the buck for 399 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: the Giants at twenty five or do you think at 400 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: that point you're focusing too much on need and you're 401 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: doing a little bit of a reach. 402 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of a reach for 403 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: the centers at twenty five. But I will say this, John, 404 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: the center position has become incredibly more valuable now in 405 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: the NFL than it used to. And I think in 406 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: the years to come, you're going to see these centers 407 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: go higher than they've gone in the past. Like you know, 408 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: Joe Titman. If you take Joe Tipman at twenty five, 409 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: some people are going to say that's a reach, and 410 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 2: it may be a little bit of a reach, but 411 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: you know, Joe Titman is going to start for eight 412 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 2: years at the center position for the team that drafts them. 413 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: It's not a bad thing. You know, That's a really 414 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: important thing to have. And like I said, the position 415 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: has changed and become more important. So you're going to 416 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 2: see these guys starting to go you know, John and 417 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 2: Michael Schmidt's Scruggs, these guys are all going to go 418 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: higher than they normally would have. 419 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm going to circle back to the centers 420 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: in a second. Was I want to fall up on 421 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: your answer, but you know you kind of mentioned that 422 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: twenty five there. You know, just pick the guy that's 423 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: going to be a good starter for eight years. At 424 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: what point when you look at this class, TJ, do 425 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: you start saying in that first round, well, I'm into 426 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: my second round group of players now, so if I 427 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: can trade back, I'm gonna want to trade back because 428 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm getting a first round value with 429 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: with where I'm picking here. So I guess, in short, 430 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: how many first round, true first round grades you really 431 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: have in this class? 432 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 2: I was looking at that actually last night. I would say, 433 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: you know, twenty two to twenty five players you feel 434 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: really good about taking in the first round. That was 435 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: for me personally. This you know, this is probably the 436 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 2: weakest draft in my opinion since twenty and thirteen. There's 437 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: not a lot of you know, pop in this draft. 438 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: And I think part of that is with the COVID year, 439 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: you know things, the development kind of was stagnated a bit. 440 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 2: But this is not the strongest draft. But yeah, I 441 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 2: would say, you know, in the twenties, the low twenties, 442 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: I feel good about a first round player. 443 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: What I think. And then and that's about where the 444 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: Giants are and fans. You can go back and look 445 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: at that two thousand and thirteen draft and you know, 446 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: we kind of do these analysis on giants dot com 447 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: and that was a. 448 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: Rough, rough ru yeah, it ugh for all of us. 449 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: Yes, uh well it wasn't sober there. Eagles got Lane Johnson. 450 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: They were the only ones really really good about themselves 451 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: in that first round. But like, literally you look at 452 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: this more, there's better players in the second and third 453 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: round that year than you had in the first round. 454 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: It's crazy, right right it was. It was not a 455 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 2: great draft, but the year before it was to Andrew 456 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 2: Lock draft, you know, there were some good players exactly. 457 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: And then I think either later you had the the 458 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: AJ Green Julio Jones Draft, which was also just a 459 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: mons Tyron Smith. That was just one of those monster 460 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: top fifteens that were just unbelievable. All right, let's go 461 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: back to the center. Because you have Tipman as your one, 462 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: you have Ola A. Teamy as your two, which I 463 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: think is a bit of an outlier. I want to 464 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: talk you about that. Then you have John Michael Schmidz 465 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: as your third center on the board. What is it 466 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: about Tipman that that has him above the other two 467 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: guys for you? And why do you have Owlow with 468 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: Temy as your second best center? 469 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: I really like ola a Teamy. I love his I 470 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 2: love the way he finishes. He's not a perfect player, 471 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 2: but I think he's going to be a starter for 472 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: a long time. Really impressed by him. Great kid and 473 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 2: that you know, that's a character position as well. You 474 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: gotta be you gotta be smart, you gotta be tough, 475 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 2: you gotta have a good character leadership. I like him 476 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: a lot. With Titman, John it's a little different. I 477 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: mean he's not your typical six foot three center six 478 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: tall man. Yeah, this is a tall guy. Uh, but 479 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: he understands leverage. I want to say as a wrestling background, 480 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: he understands balance. Uh, he stays off the ground. He's 481 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: a smart kid. You know. The thing with me with 482 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 2: Titman is, you know, every play I wasn't, Wow, this 483 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: is the greatest guy ever. But when the tape was 484 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: over and I and I hit stop and I was 485 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 2: done watching, I'm like, this is a productive player. This 486 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 2: is a good player. Every game I watched, he's a 487 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: productive player. He's gonna play a long time. A little 488 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 2: bit of a different height than than you're used to, 489 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 2: which I had to get, you know, get over. But 490 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a solid player for 491 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: a long time. If you lined him up in front 492 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: of Daniel Jones, I think the Giants fans are feeling 493 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 2: pretty good, you know, ol A Teamy. 494 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: The one thing I'll say, TJ, I'm curious to see 495 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: how seriously you take this. I thought he had a 496 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: lot of issues in the one on ones at the 497 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, and he almost looked a little overwhelmed by 498 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: the kind of the the athleticism of the guys going 499 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: against him, And that kind of made me a little worried. 500 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: Where you get to the NFL level and every day 501 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: you're playing guys better than the best players you played 502 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: in college, did that worry you at all? Watching him 503 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: try to handle some of those, you know, higher level 504 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: athletes when he got to a level of competition like 505 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. 506 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: It worries me a little bit less at that position 507 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 2: because you know, as you know, the center's usually helping 508 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 2: the guard or getting help from the guard. They're not 509 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 2: often in a one on one situation. That's why I'll 510 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 2: give up a little bit of that to get the 511 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 2: other stuff. And that's what old Teamy has. So yes, 512 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: I saw what you saw, but I think in a 513 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 2: live game, in a real NFL game things are a 514 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: little bit different at that position. 515 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, I think I have that on my mind, 516 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: is that I watched Dexter Lawrence basically throw Garrett Bradbury 517 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: around in that playoff game, and that's kind of what 518 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: I'd be thinking there. All right, let's go to the corner, 519 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: because I think you guys have these guys rank pretty 520 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: interesting too. You've a manual Forbes all the way up 521 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: at your cornerback number two. Now, I love the tape TG. 522 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: I think it's great. The ball skills, you know, the 523 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: returns for touchdowns, all that stuff. But again we go 524 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: back to the shrinking player, right, he's only he's sub 525 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: one seventy, Which is that different for you at corner 526 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: because they have to tackle unlike wide receivers. So what 527 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: was your thought process and your group in putting Forbes 528 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: as your number two wide receiver, number two cornerback. 529 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 2: Part of me, yeah, that it's a concern to me, 530 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: but very similar to the receiver we took. This kid 531 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: understands how to throw his body around, how to tackle, 532 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: not saying that he's a selective tackler, but he understands 533 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: where to put his head. He understands how to do it. 534 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 2: So yeah, the size concerns me to a point, But 535 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: what I love is the strut and the confidence and 536 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: the ball production. And you know, as we know, if 537 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: you're if your corner is picking off balls and running 538 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: into the end zone, your team's probably gonna win, you know, 539 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: And that's all this kid, This kid does, so the 540 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: ball production, the instincts, I just I couldn't get past it. 541 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: I loved it. 542 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the other Insan thing I saw in 543 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: your rank is that you have Keiler Ringo, Cam Smith 544 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: and Garrett Williams all ahead of Deontay Banks out of Maryland, 545 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: who I love, and I think he'd be a good 546 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: fit for the Giants based on the way they press 547 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: and bumping run. He's big, That's what they did in Maryland, right, 548 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: So what was your thinking in how you kind of 549 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: ranked that next group of cornerbacks down the line. 550 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: I like Banks, but he left me wanting just a 551 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 2: little bit more. I saw plays on the field where 552 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 2: I was hoping he'd get his hands on the ball 553 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: and he didn't do it. Now they're all kind of 554 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 2: there together, they're all kind of clumped together, but I 555 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 2: just he left me wanting just a bit more on 556 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 2: the field with the ball in the air. That was 557 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: my only problem with Banks. 558 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: What did you guys really like about Ringo, Cam Smith 559 00:25:59,000 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: and Garrett Williams. 560 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: I like Ringos straight line speed. He made the huge 561 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 2: play in the first National Championship game. I like his size. 562 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: He's a little tight, but I think he's gonna be 563 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 2: a good player. Cam Smith, he's just such a smooth athlete. 564 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,719 Speaker 2: I love his feed, I love his ability to move latterly. 565 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: Not a super physical guy. But there's a lot of 566 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 2: corners in this draft. They all kind of do some 567 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: different things, and there's gonna be a lot of good 568 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: You're gonna be able to get a good corner in 569 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 2: the second round. I really think there's good players. 570 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and these guys have different sizes. You know, we've 571 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: had a lot of these drafts recently, TJ. And obviously 572 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 1: you've run them, you know it. So many of these 573 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: slot corners right run around the smaller guys that are quick. 574 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: This year, there's a lot of size outside. Whether you're 575 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: talking to you later, you know the Stanford corner, Kye Blukelly, 576 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: you know Julius Brentz. There's a lot of size outside 577 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: with the cornerback position in this year's draft that goes 578 00:26:59,119 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: pretty deep. 579 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: And the reason I think, and this isn't scientific, John, 580 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: but I think these players get to college and there's 581 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 2: so many wide receivers now, and these kids that may 582 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 2: have played receiver before now say, hey, I might have 583 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: a better chance of being a higher pick as a 584 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: corner because there aren't as many corners. And I think 585 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: that's what you're seeing this year. Now you've got these 586 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: six footers with thirty three inch or arms that would 587 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: have been receivers now they're playing corners because hey, I 588 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: could be a first round pick as a corner, whereas 589 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 2: you know, the receivers, there's a bazillion of them. So 590 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: I think that could be a reason for that. 591 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: Hey it's smart, right, I mean, you're gonna get drafted high, 592 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: you're eventually gonna get paid just as much. I mean, 593 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: the corner and wide receiver market isn't really that much 594 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: different when you look at the NFL level. So yeah, 595 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: if you have a young kid out there, play corner. 596 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: To play corner, don't play running back. 597 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's correct, they'll play running back. I forgot the 598 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: follow up on something you said before about center, you said, 599 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: it's becoming one of the more it's becoming more and 600 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: more important. Why do you think the center position is 601 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: becoming more more important in the modern NFL? 602 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: My experience with Philadelphia with with Kelsey, our offense opened 603 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: up and we were able to do so many different 604 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: things on offense because of his ability, especially his athleticism. 605 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: You know, he could be twenty five yards down the 606 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: field and he could play on his feet and make blocks. 607 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: So I think with the spread offenses, with the way 608 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: the running games are and the way the passing games are, 609 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: that guy has to be really smart. And if you 610 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: have a good one, your offensive coordinator is really happy 611 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: because they can do They can just do a lot 612 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: of different things in regards to the run, in the 613 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: pass game. It opens up so many different things if 614 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: you have an athletic guy, if you have a good 615 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 2: player at that position and he's and I'm just becoming 616 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: more and more of a believer in that for sure. Yeah. 617 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: And you know you talk about the athletes on defense 618 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: that the center is to deal with. These fast linebackers 619 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: are down to like two point thirty. They can run. 620 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 1: It's just kind of a different type of game. And 621 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: you know the Eels last you guys took Jordan Davis 622 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: out of Georgia, the behemoth in the middle. Is it 623 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: more important TJ now to have that big, run stuffing 624 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: defensive tackle because the guys behind them are a little 625 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: bit smaller need to run. And maybe you want to 626 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: play more coverage back there, and you want that guy 627 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: in the middle of your defense to be able to 628 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: eat up the blockers. And frankly, I'm not gonna say 629 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: stop the running gam on his own, but at least 630 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: play a large part in allowing your back seven to 631 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: do what they need to do in coverage. 632 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's an excellent point. You know, these linebackers, 633 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: some of these guys are under two hundred and twenty pounds. 634 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: They look like safeties. Now, I mean, we get did 635 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: Land and Collins and I forget what year it is, 636 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: now I go to the combine. Every linebacker looks like 637 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: landon Collins. 638 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: They all look like it. What I think you're gonna 639 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: start seeing john is people zagging when everyone else is zigging. 640 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see teams say, okay, uh, if 641 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: you want to have a two hundred and eighteen pound linebacker, 642 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: We're gonna line up in thirteen personnel and pound you. 643 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: And I think I think that could very well start happening. 644 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 2: The issue is the rules are slanted towards the passing 645 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: game so much that you have to take advantage of it, 646 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: and that's what teams do. But you know, you see 647 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: the Michigans, you see the Stamfords, you see those teams. 648 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: They line up with a bunch of tight ends and 649 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: they take advantage of those smaller teams and just kind 650 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: of pound them. You might see more of that. 651 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And again I think you have that big guy 652 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: in the middle and that kind of is your check 653 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: against that type of strategy, right, And if. 654 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: You pick them high, you know you're you're kicking an 655 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 2: elite athlete who's also a big guy in the middle, 656 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 2: and that, like you said, that helps out that two 657 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty pounder behind him just to kind of 658 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: to get that run game. 659 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: Why do you think it takes DJ sometimes these big 660 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: defensive tackles a couple of years to kind of hit 661 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: their stride, because we've seen that in a bunch of 662 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: different places. Right, Quinn Williams took a couple of years 663 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: dexter Lawrence here took a couple of years. Jeffrey Simmons 664 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 1: was coming off the ACL, so he took a lot 665 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: other time. Even if he deveas first couple of years, 666 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: wasn't the player he eventually became. Why do you think 667 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: that defensive tackle spot sometimes takes a couple of years 668 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: for them to round in the. 669 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: Form I asked. I won't mention his name, but I 670 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: asked a coach that one time because I had the 671 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: exact same question and what the answer was. They're asking 672 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: the defensive front players to do a lot of different 673 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: things that they weren't asked to do in college, and 674 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: a lot of these guys are thinking more than playing, 675 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: and year two that are thinking less because now it's 676 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: becoming more natural. Where you know, in college, it was 677 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: just kind of go play well. In the NFL, they're 678 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: asking to do different things, so sometimes it takes a 679 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 2: year to get comfortable in that position. Just like if 680 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: you know, the first time you drove the work, you 681 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 2: needed directions and your map and you didn't know where 682 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: to go. By the twentieth time you drove the work, 683 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: you could do with your eyes closed. So that's kind 684 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: of how it is with those D linemen. 685 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: Now it makes perfect sense. I'm taking a look at 686 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: your rankings on the D line and two made me 687 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: smile because, frankly, I think I'm on the same page 688 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: as you guys when it comes to these two. You know, 689 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: maybe the number is exact, but you know, Lucas van Nassy, 690 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: guys ranked of your twenty ninth rated prospect. A lot 691 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: of people have him going in the top ten of 692 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: the draft this year. I think he's very raw. I 693 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: don't know if he's a you know, he's kind of 694 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: a tweener. And then tackle. And then you have Elijah 695 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: Kancy at sixty nine, who I know a lot of 696 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: people have, you know, top fifteen, top twenty in this draft. 697 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: And I watch him and yeah, his getoff's grade, he's 698 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: super quick. I just think once these NFL guards get 699 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: their hands on him, and I know he's got good 700 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: hands to keep their hands off, but he's got such 701 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: short arms. I just don't know how he plays on 702 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: early downs early in his career. Kind of give me 703 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: your thumbnail on those two and why maybe you don't 704 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: see them as highly as some other people might. 705 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: I agree with you exactly on Van nas but I'm 706 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: gonna just talk about Cancy. You know, when I watch Kancy, 707 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 2: before I even knew who he was, I said, oh man, good, 708 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 2: now we have a good, big, strong linebacker. Finally, we 709 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: don't have a two hundred and twenty pound linebacker. But 710 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 2: he was a defensive lineman. Uh yeah, I would have 711 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,719 Speaker 2: very much concerns with him. I think he's an inside 712 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: sub pass down rusher and serious concerns about his size. 713 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: When they get their hands on him, he's done. And 714 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: I didn't see elite athleticism or quickness. I mean, I 715 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 2: thought he was good. I didn't see elite, so to me, 716 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: I don't quite see what other people are seeing. And 717 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 2: if someone takes him in the top fifteen is top twenty, 718 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: I would have serious concerns about that. John. 719 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: You know, on TJ you have him right right next 720 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: to the other undersize three technique defensive tackling this chef 721 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: right at a barre out of Northwestern, And honestly, I know, 722 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: maybe the tape's not as good. I like Ada Bari's 723 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: traits a lot better than Kanti A. I think his 724 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: body's a lot better ready for the NFL. And I 725 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: don't mind the player that's short if he has really 726 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: long arms and out of Bari he's got thirty four 727 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: inch arms, and that to me, the natural leverage you 728 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: got the length, That to me gives him a really 729 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: big window comin with his crazy testing in the agility 730 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: drills and stuff. I see some almost a bigger upside 731 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: for that player, to be quite honest with. 732 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: You, And if you ask some of these offensive linemen, 733 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 2: the guys that they don't want to block are those short, 734 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 2: sawed off guys with planks who are explosive. They're hard blocked, 735 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 2: you know, not saying the other guys aren't. But yeah, 736 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 2: he's gonna be an interesting guy to track as his 737 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 2: career moves on, because I feel like people are all 738 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 2: over the lot on him. Some people love him and 739 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: some people don't. 740 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get it. Look because he wasn't dominant 741 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: on tape in Northwestern, right, and I get it. But 742 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: then you look at the traits and you're like, oh, 743 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: but what can he become? And you get all excited. 744 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: A couple other positions I want to touch it with 745 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: with you, TJ. I guess we'll start here first. What 746 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: group do you like the best top to bottom depth 747 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: that you just kind of look at it and you're like, Wow, 748 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: this is even if it's a weaker draft class, this 749 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: is an exceptional group where if I'm looking for a 750 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: good player, this is a position I'm probably gonna have 751 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: to attack in this draft. 752 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 2: I think we talked about corners. I just feel like 753 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 2: there's like seven or eight nine corners that rolled off 754 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 2: our mouth, where as we were talking about they're all 755 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 2: gonna be good players. So I think corner you're gonna 756 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 2: be able to get a good player. I think receiver 757 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to get a good player. Those 758 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 2: two positions kind of stick out to me the most. 759 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 2: I feel like there's a few really good tight ends. 760 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 2: There's gonna be some tight ends that are gonna be 761 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 2: good players as well. 762 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to dive into the tight end class 763 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: a little bit because I'm with you. I think Michael 764 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: Mayer to me, just reminds me of Jason Witten, right 765 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: you see him. He doesn't look like he's running fast, 766 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: but he's always open, he always catches the ball, he 767 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: can block. That is as safe as you want. A 768 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: safe pick in the first round. That is as safe 769 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: as a pick as you can get. And then I 770 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: love Dalton Kincaid. I just think he has special receiving 771 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: skills down the field, just his his the smoothness of 772 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: catching it and transitioning is as a runner after the catch. 773 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: And then my my third tight end. I know other 774 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: people don't like it as much. I love the laporta 775 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 1: kid from Iowa. I know he was in a bad offense, 776 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 1: but boy, he's smooth, and I think if you get 777 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: him with it, with the good offense, I think he's 778 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: gonna be a really good player. 779 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I always had a history of good tight ends. 780 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a pretty deep class. You 781 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 2: mentioned Mayor. I like what he can do. He's even 782 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 2: gonna get better in the run game too. He's gonna 783 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 2: get stronger, he's gonna become a better blocker. And when 784 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 2: these guys are matched up against these smaller linebackers, they're 785 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 2: a tough cover. And these now, these tight ends have 786 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 2: such great ball skills and hands and length and size. 787 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 2: You know, they box out these linebackers. It's hard to 788 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 2: cover those guys. Tough, tough deal, you know. 789 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you have any three down 790 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: running backs in this draft. Besides, you know, Bijon maybe 791 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: you know Zach Charbonay a couple guys, But I think 792 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: you get to the mid rounds, you're looking for a 793 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: guy that can fill a specific role for you, whether 794 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: it is a couple really good between the tackle guys, 795 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: then you have a bunch of you know, the Eric Grays, 796 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: the Taj Spears, guys that can kind of be that 797 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: scat back for you. I feel like you have a 798 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: really nice combination of backs throughout this draft where if 799 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: you're looking at fill a specific role TJ, you can 800 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: find someone that's pretty darn good for you. 801 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 2: You can find someone that's pretty darn good and they 802 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 2: can all catch. Most of them can catch the ball. 803 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 2: But I mean you mentioned Vjon to me what he 804 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 2: did in the past game. They're just I've had people 805 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 2: that have compared him to McCaffrey in the pass game, 806 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 2: and this guy has some rare qualities as a receiver 807 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 2: in regards to route running and his ball skills and hands. 808 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 2: He's tremendous. 809 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: It's funny. We've done a couple of mock drafts here 810 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: and I've been assigned the Eagles a couple of times, 811 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: and at pick thirty, I've given them b Jon Robinson twice, 812 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: and as someone that works for the Giants, putting him 813 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts in that offensive line is frightening to me. 814 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how you stopped that running game because 815 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: of his ability as a pass catcher, TJ. Could you 816 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: see Howie Roseman pulling a trigger on to b Jon 817 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: Robinson in the first round. I know he doesn't usually, 818 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, like to use high picks on running backs. 819 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: You know, could he even trade down from ten and 820 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: pick him mid first How do you think the Eagles 821 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: would would view Robinson as an option for them with 822 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,280 Speaker 1: them holding two first round picks. 823 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 2: Normally I would say that how we would never pick 824 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 2: a back in the first round. But I think it's 825 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 2: a little bit differ this year because they are making 826 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 2: a run at the Super Bowl again and he will 827 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 2: make an immediate impact on that team and he will 828 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 2: open up that offense even more so. I would not 829 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 2: rule against them even with their first first round pick 830 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 2: picking Bijon. I'm not saying that's out of the realm 831 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 2: of possibility at all. 832 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny when I think as a Giants. 833 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 2: Fan, you probably don't want them to do that. 834 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. It's a nightmare. You know, I had 835 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: to watch Miles Sanders in Boston. Scott put two point 836 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: fifty on the Giants twice last year. If you got 837 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: Bejon back their hole, you know, Tomali, geez, I don't 838 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: know how they're gonna stop that. I know, it's ridiculous. 839 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: They got a really good roster there. The one thing 840 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: we haven't touched on yet are the edge guys. TJ. 841 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: What do you think of the class in general? And 842 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: who are some of the guys that you really like? 843 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: You know, either end first maybe end the second round 844 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: where the Giants could be in the mix. Maybe for 845 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: some of these guys I could think fit wink Martin 846 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 1: Dale's scheme. 847 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 2: Well, I mean Will Anderson to me, I know he's 848 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 2: probably not a Giant, but Will Anderson to me, played 849 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 2: better last year than he did this year. And I'm 850 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 2: not sure why. I saw the Alabama give up a 851 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 2: lot of points, so that was concerning to me. I 852 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 2: don't know if there's a guy in the second round 853 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,720 Speaker 2: that the Giants will pick as a as a pass rusher. 854 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 2: I to me, I think they're going receiver or you know, 855 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 2: inside offensive line. But to me, if there was a 856 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 2: guy in the second round. No one's talking about him. 857 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it right here, right now. He's from 858 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 2: Tennessee and his name's Byron Young, and he's an explosive 859 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 2: pass rusher that ran four for To me, that would 860 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 2: be a guy that if I were a Giants fan, 861 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 2: I would keep my eyes on. And people aren't really 862 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 2: talking about it. 863 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: How do you guys view age in that respect? Because 864 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: I agree, I think is athleticism is great. I think 865 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: he's a little raw, but he has promised. But he's 866 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: twenty five, right, so how do he Front officers look 867 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: at age when they try to figure out how much 868 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: more upside the guy might Still. 869 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 2: That's certainly a factor. He's going to be a twenty 870 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 2: five year old rookie. But the way I would look 871 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 2: at it is, I'm going to get this kid for 872 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 2: four years, and I'm going to have him produced for 873 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 2: four years, and he'll be twenty nine by then. So 874 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 2: it is a concern. It is something we would discuss. 875 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 2: But to me, the talent, I see the talent, I 876 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 2: see the explosiveness. That's definitely a guy I would consider 877 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 2: fire with the Giants. 878 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: As someone who played against the Giants the last couple 879 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: of years. How important is it for them to try 880 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: to improve that cornerback core where you have a little 881 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: bit more confidence out there playing that you know, press 882 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 1: man scheme, that wing Martindale wants to play. 883 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 2: Because, as you know, if you have a corner who 884 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 2: can shut people down, it changes everything you can do 885 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 2: on defense. You can send pressure, you can you can 886 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 2: get creative if you know. I mean look at the 887 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 2: cross the team across from you with Sauce. I mean 888 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 2: that guy can shut people down and that opened up 889 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 2: things they could do on defense. So if you have 890 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,879 Speaker 2: that guy makes a huge difference for your defense. I TJ. Final. 891 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,240 Speaker 1: You have former Eagle Brandon Brown here as a Giants 892 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: assistant general manager, among others in the organization. What is 893 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: he and kind of the group that came over from 894 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: Philly bring with them that you think can help the 895 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: Giants long term? And just your take on how this 896 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: Giants front office of coaching staff have tried to turn 897 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: this thing around over the last couple of years. 898 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 2: I've been really impressed. I can speak on brand and 899 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 2: I worked with Brandon. Incredibly intelligent, incredible hard worker. He 900 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 2: has a deep football knowledge. He's going to be a 901 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 2: general manager soon. He's a good one to have. And 902 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 2: then they also brought a young man named Mike Drees 903 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 2: over from the Colts, and Mike is going to be 904 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 2: a GM as well. So you have two future gms 905 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 2: sitting in that room helping your decision maker. And the 906 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 2: Giants are in great hands, believe me. 907 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: And then final question, just big picture from a Giant perspective, 908 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: because I know you tracked the vision. What's the next 909 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: step when the Giants are kind of in this process 910 00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: right from a team building perspective, they have a unexpected 911 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: successful first year, You pay your quarterback who I think 912 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: had the best year of his career, and now you're 913 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: trying to build. How did they go about this? TJ. 914 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: What's kind of the next step to make sure you 915 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 1: keep going uphill here? 916 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 2: I think that you have to support the quarterback and 917 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 2: what you want to see is next year the quarterback 918 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 2: take even another step and that means maybe you know 919 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,879 Speaker 2: a little deeper into the playoffs where you can put 920 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 2: your fist down and say this quarterback can take us 921 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 2: to the Promised Land. So by saying that you need 922 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,919 Speaker 2: to get him weapons and you need to protect him, 923 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 2: it's all about the quarterback. It's a quarterback league. We 924 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 2: think we have one in New York and we just 925 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 2: have to continue and scheep progression. 926 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 1: Now we are on the same page there, TJ. This 927 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: was so much fun. I hope to do it again 928 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: with you. Thank you very much, and just tell the 929 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,919 Speaker 1: folks anything they need to know about what you guys 930 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: are doing at the thirty third team. 931 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,320 Speaker 2: Well, all I'll say is we have four scouts total 932 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 2: that really delved into the draft. All four scouts have 933 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 2: NFL experience, been in draft rooms, watch film, made decisions. 934 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 2: So I think our website gives a little different spin 935 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,399 Speaker 2: because of that, and they can go to the thirty 936 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 2: thirteen read about all the players, read a lot of 937 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 2: great content, a lot of great coverage, and it's a 938 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 2: fun site. 939 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: It is I'm on almost daily. TJ McGray, thirty thirteen, 940 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: longtime NFL executive of the Personal Department. We thank for 941 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: joining us. The Giants Litle podcasts brought to you by 942 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: PSC ANDNG. Stay tuned, everybody. You're about a week out 943 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: of the draft. We'll keep covering it right here on 944 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: Giants dot com. The Giants will blap and on your 945 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 1: favorite podcast platforms