1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. It's cumulative. 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 2: You know, an artist gets better with each project, with 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: each year, with each decade. 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: That's how it's supposed to. 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: Work, if you're learning from the people ye're around. And 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 2: I have been fortunate to be around some great people 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: over the decades. 8 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast, where Buzznight talks 9 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 3: with musicians and insiders about their love of music and 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 3: from time to time he's lucky enough to speak with 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: great actors that are also great musicians, and today that 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: person is Jeff Daniels. Jeff's musical journey is impressive. He's 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: a skilled guitarist and songwriter. He has released multiple albums 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: that showcases authentic Americana sound and his storytelling prowess. Let's 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 3: join Buzznight with his guest, the legendary Jeff Daniels. Now 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: I'm Taking a Walk podcast. 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 4: Jeff Daniels, Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 5: It's so nice to have you on. 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 4: Ue to be here was so Since this is called 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 4: taking a walk, I do want to ask you if 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 4: you could take a walk with somebody living or dead, 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 4: who might that be and where would you take a 23 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 4: walk with him? 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: That's good? You know what. 25 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: Robert Johnson, and I know he wasn't the only one. 26 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: Charlie Patten and Sonhouse and Skip James, but Robert Johnson, 27 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 2: and I would love to just listen to him talk 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: about the blues where he got it. You know, the 29 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: famous story of the Crossroads, which sounds more like you know, marketing. 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: You know, let's make up a story about yourself that 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: that you made a deal with the devil and you 32 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: came back all of a sudden, you're playing differently. 33 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: Justin get inside his head. Would it'd be great? 34 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: And I know I'd walked down Highway sixty one with 35 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: them and just listen. 36 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 5: Ah, that would be awesome. Oh my god. 37 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 4: Well, folks, could hear you play at fifty four below 38 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 4: in New York City on April the seventh, And that 39 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 4: sounds like it's going to be a pretty amazing place 40 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 4: to be. 41 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 5: Can you talk about the first. 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 4: Moment that you remember you were deeply connected with music? 43 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: Well, it's. 44 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: There were a couple things early on. I mean, I 45 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: I grew up in a small town in the Midwest, Chelsea. 46 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: I still live there, and you know, just public high 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: school and they do high school musicals, and so I 48 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 2: was around it I was in choir. I was one 49 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: of the boys who could actually carry a tune, which 50 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: qualified you in that town. And same thing with the musical, 51 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: but it wasn't until I got I. 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: Think I said. 53 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: One of the early ones was when Arlo Guthrie's Alice's 54 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: Restaurant album came out, and that song Alice's Restaurant, which 55 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: was so different from you know, in the sixties, even 56 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: before Woodstock. 57 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: It was, you know, the Turtles. 58 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: For me, it was the Turtles, the strawberry alarm clock, 59 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: Dave Clark five, Oh the Monkeys, Oh the Monkeys, you 60 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: know it was, And then all of a sudden it 61 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: was Led Zeppelin and the who Elton John's eleven seventeen 62 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: seventy and that was the rock side Grand Funk Railroad 63 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: Jay Giles band. But then I heard Alice's Restaurant and 64 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: it was just Arlow with that guitar that just stayed 65 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: with me, and he was the first concert I saw. 66 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: I couldn't drive, so my parents had to drive me 67 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: to the Masonic Temple in Detroit, and the marijuana smoke 68 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: before Arlow even came out was like, you know, the 69 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: fog of London. It was just everywhere and for my 70 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: parents to sit there and basically try not to breathe 71 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: because if they did, you know, they might get stoned. 72 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: But I got to see Arlow and that mattered. That 73 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: stayed with me because when I moved to New York 74 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: in seventy six, I bought an acoustic guitar and threw 75 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: it in the back of the car and just took 76 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 2: it with me. I knew three chords, that was it, 77 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: but I just whatever it was he was doing. It 78 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: was similar to seeing Dog Day Afternoon with al Pacino. 79 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: I saw it six times I was in college, and 80 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: I remember thinking, whatever it is Pacino's doing, I need 81 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: to go and learn how to do that. And that 82 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 2: met New York. It's the same thing with Arlow. Whatever 83 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: he's doing underneath Alice's restaurant, I got to. 84 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: Figure out how to do that. And that led me 85 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: to fingerpicking. 86 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 2: That led me to back in the late seventies early eighties, 87 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: the tablature books of people like Stefan Grossman and Doc 88 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: Watson and James Taylor, you know, and that I discovered 89 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: Robert Johnson and the Blues, and that was that was 90 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: a turning point. 91 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 4: And you when you were in New York City got 92 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,119 Speaker 4: to see a bunch of shows at the bottom Line. 93 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 4: Doc Watson was one of them that really made an 94 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 4: impact on you. Who were some of the others that 95 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 4: you saw either at the bottom Line or some of 96 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 4: those other great clubs in the village. 97 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: Well, I was aimed at the acoustic guitar, so I 98 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: you know, I missed the whole talking heads thing, and 99 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: I just wasn't. I wasn't into the jazz scene at all. 100 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: It was the acoustic guitar. And I saw Doc Watson 101 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: at the bottom Line with t Michael Coleman on bass 102 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: and Merle Watson his son. He was so fast, Doc 103 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: d Merle were so fast with the flat picking. 104 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: And then he's blind. 105 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: Doc Watson is blind, and you're just going good God. 106 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: And then I saw Stevie Goodman, and that was a 107 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 2: huge thing because there was no band. And Stevie Goodman 108 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: was five foot five inches tall maybe he's five'. Six 109 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: just this little, guy the big the big dreadnought. Guitar 110 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 2: he had seemed bigger than he. Was But, god could 111 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: he hold an. Audience and with his, humor you, know 112 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: he was one of the guys that quietly gave me 113 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: permission to be. Funny you didn't have to try to 114 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: Be James taylor or. Something you, KNOW i need to 115 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: be serious and. IMPORTANT i need to move To nashville 116 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 2: and write important. Movie, no you can also be. Funny 117 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: Stevie goodman taught me. That arlow taught me. That Christine 118 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 2: lavin taught me That Cheryl. WHEELER i wasn't Into loud 119 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: And right And, wainwright but you know he's certainly. Qualified John, 120 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: prime you know those guys that use their sense of 121 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: humor in their writing to kind of pull the audience. In, 122 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: yeah those guys were a huge, influence AND i was 123 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: able to see a few of them when they came 124 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: Through New. 125 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 4: YORK i love the Song Roads Signs. Is it is so, 126 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 4: Beautiful it is so. Colorful can you tell that story 127 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 4: when you first perform? 128 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 5: That and we're sort of urged. 129 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: On, YEAH i, Again i'm an. Actor So i'm an 130 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: actor who has a guitar in his, apartment and that's 131 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: where it needs to. Stay you are told early on 132 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: to stay in your. Lane you want to be a, 133 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: musician you want to be a, singer, songwriter then drop 134 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: the acting and go do. That but there are plenty 135 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 2: of us out there trying to do what you're doing 136 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: as a little. Hobby so there was always kind of 137 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: a you, know stay in new lane. Thing and you, 138 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: KNOW i used to open my show with If William 139 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: shatner CAN i can, too you, know just to kind 140 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: of cut the critics off ahead of. 141 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: Time BUT i just did it for. ME i. 142 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: Would go to see people Like Stevie goodman And Doc, Watson, 143 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: Arlow Stephen, Grossman keV, Mo, Kelly Joe, phelps And i'll 144 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: never be as good as. 145 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: Them does that mean you? 146 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 5: Quit you? 147 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: Know John prine wasn't that fancy on the, guitar but he. 148 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: Could he wrote, imagery and SO i would just sit 149 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: in my apartment and try to do. That in the late, 150 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: SEVENTIES i was doing a play Called fifth Of july Off, 151 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: broadway And Lanford wilson was the, playwright And lanford was a. 152 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: MENTOR i had never been around real, play, living breathing 153 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: playwrights UNTIL i went To Circle rep and every single 154 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 2: one of them was rewriting a second. Act it was, 155 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: thrilling And lanford would go on to win A Poet 156 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: serprize for playwriting play Called Tally's folly and. 157 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy. 158 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 2: Eight i'm sitting there between shows the Fifth, july playing 159 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: you know a SONG i wrote with bad lyrics Because 160 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: i'm you, know twenty three AND i don't know. Anything 161 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: AND i look up and he's in the, doorway leaning 162 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: against the doorframe and he, goes you write. 163 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: SONGS i, said. 164 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: Yeah he, goes let me, help and he hands me 165 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: a piece of paper and on the paper was a 166 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: poem called Road, signs about a bus trip he had 167 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: taken as a young man From, Lebanon, missouri up To 168 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: chicago to become a graphic, artist which didn't work, out 169 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: so he took another bus To New york and became 170 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: a poet serprize when he. Playwright BUT i think he 171 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: had a collection of, poems and hearing my bad, lyric 172 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: he went back to his apartment and went through some 173 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: and pulled this one out and handed it to me and, 174 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: said see if you can do something with. Us and 175 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: it's more of a poem than a. SONG i repeat 176 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 2: the chorus a couple, times but it's it's, unusual but 177 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: in it is the imagery that Only Landford wilson could. 178 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: Write and that's what separates him as a. Playwright it's 179 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 2: what Separates John. Prime they're just. Definitive the Only prime 180 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: would Write. 181 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: Hello in there that. 182 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: Way Lyle love it's another, one you. 183 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: Know LYLE'S i. 184 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: Mean his take on the world and his the just the, 185 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: rhymes but also the, construction the structure of the, songs 186 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 2: the how he says what he. Says that's What lanford 187 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: had on that page called road. Signs and SO i 188 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: threw some chords on. 189 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: It And. 190 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: I'm kind of BECAUSE i never think of myself being 191 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: very good back in the late, seventies BUT i pretty 192 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: much play it now the same WAY i played it 193 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: For landford back in nineteen seventy. 194 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: Eight he, goes, yeah that's pretty. GOOD i like. That, 195 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: well nothing happens. 196 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 2: Man twenty years goes, by and NOW i have a 197 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: theater company In, Chelsea michigan called The Purple Rose Theater, 198 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: company and we Bring landford out to write a, play 199 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: a new play for our company of. Actors we'd been 200 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: open about eight or nine. Years we had developed a 201 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: good group of, people AND i thought they he could 202 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 2: look at them and, go, YEAH i can write for, 203 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: them just LIKE i used to write For Circle. Rep 204 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 2: so he brought him out and after seeing a performance 205 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: of a play so he could see the, actors who 206 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: went out to a bar and there was a guy 207 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: in the corner playing covers and nobody KNEW i. PLAYED 208 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: i played on my back, porch staying in my, lane you, 209 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 2: know And. Lanford the guy put his guitar down to 210 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: take a, break And landford, said go play road. SIGNS i, 211 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: said no that they're, no nobody KNOWS i, Played. Lanford 212 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: i'm not get up, there and he's one of the 213 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: few people that with fort CAN i you, KNOW i 214 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: have to do. It SO i got up and, played 215 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: and people are, going are you kidding? 216 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,599 Speaker 1: Me i'm going, well. 217 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: And that became why don't we put you out Between 218 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: christmas And New year's and sell tickets and raise some? 219 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: Money but NOW i had to learn how to do, 220 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: That and that's WHEN i learned how difficult it is 221 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: to do What arlow does And Stevie goodman did Cav 222 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: mo sitting there with just his, Guitar christine lab and 223 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: holding an audience or ninety minutes with her wit and. 224 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: Musicianship there ain't nobody to save. You you. Know you 225 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 2: don't look to the guitar player and say take, it 226 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: it's just. You SO i had to get good real, 227 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: fast And i've worked real hard on that end of, 228 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: it so that you, know after about three years of 229 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: doing those holiday, SHOWS i was able to kind of 230 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: go out AND i had an agent Named Jim fleming 231 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: Still do who came and, said you, know you could 232 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: do this if you wanted. TO i, said, well my 233 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: acting career at that, time like two thousand and, three 234 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: two thousand and, four was slowing. Down maybe this is 235 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: What i'm going to. Do and SO i started. TOURING 236 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: i would go play clubs all over the, country opera 237 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: houses sometimes thousand, seaters BUT i loved the. CLUBS i 238 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: love the two hundred. Seaters the place is like fifty 239 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: four below In New, york where they're just right. 240 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: THERE i kind of love. That you, Know i'm. 241 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: FORTUNATE i don't have to make my, living have something 242 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: that's entertaining and can hold an audience using some of 243 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: my skills as an actor on a stage who knows 244 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: how to work an, audience skills as a playwright That i've, 245 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: become OR i learned about how to structure a set 246 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: so that it builds to. Something i've learned how to do. 247 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: That AND i have spent the time and have. PLAYED 248 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: i Think i'm over six hundred gigs, now which is 249 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: pretty good for a guy with a day. Job SO 250 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 2: i enjoy, it and i have one hundred percent creative, 251 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: control And i've got a show that not only entertains 252 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 2: people but pulls them. 253 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 4: In so Al kayline is such a beautiful tribute to. 254 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 4: Someone obviously that was a big part of your. Life 255 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: WHEN i listened to that, SONG i was only on 256 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 4: the porch in the stadium In detroit one time to 257 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 4: see a, game but it made me feel LIKE i 258 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 4: WAS i was watching him play AS i was there 259 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 4: on that porch At Tiger. Stadium talk about the creation 260 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 4: of that beautiful song and what Mister kayline meant to. 261 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: You, well he was a baseball player for The Detroit 262 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: tigers in the mainly the, sixties and he was part 263 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: of The World series champions in nineteen sixty. Eight AND 264 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: i was nine years old in nineteen sixty four WHEN 265 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: i kind of discovered The, tigers and he was my. 266 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: Hero he was my childhood, hero and it was all 267 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: things Al. Kline friends of mine Had Norm, Cash Willie, 268 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: Horton Bill, freehand BUT i Had kline and you want 269 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: to be. Him you, know you're playing sandlot. Baseball you 270 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: want to Be. Kayline he passed away a month INTO, 271 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: covid not FROM. 272 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: Covid but he. 273 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: Was he was in his eighties and he passed, away 274 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: and it hit me because that's you, know it's when 275 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: your childhood hero. 276 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: Dies you know a little bit of you does. 277 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: Too and SO i just wrote the song for me 278 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: AND i sent it to a friend of mine who 279 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: also plays a guy Named Devin, skillion who used to 280 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: be one of the anchors at the local you, KNOW nbc. 281 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: AFFILIATE i, said, look here's THE i Know kylne. Died 282 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: you know him, better knew him better THAN i. Did you, 283 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: know if you like, it you, know play, it put 284 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: it in your. Set BUT i think you could kill this. 285 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: Song and blah blah. Blah it was just give him the. 286 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: Song and he came back and he, said you, know 287 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: we're going to put together a visual tribute On sunday 288 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: morning for K, line and couldn't we put this song underneath? 289 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: IT i said, sure and it, was you, know it 290 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: was four minutes, long the video tribute and the, song 291 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: and there were grown men crying all over the state 292 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: Of michigan that, morning and then a few days, Later 293 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: devin texts me and he, SAYS i got a call From, 294 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: Cooperstown New. York they heard about the, song and, they you, 295 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: KNOW i gave me a name of somebody to, contact 296 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: and basically it, was can we have the handwritten lyrics 297 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: to your song El kline to include in his display In, 298 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: cooperstown proving once and for, all there's more than one 299 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: way to get into The Baseball hall Of, fame which 300 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: is the joke at the end of the patter at the, 301 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: intro and THEN i go into, it but it's it's you, 302 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: know it's for anybody who's been lucky enough to pick 303 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 2: the right person for a childhood. Hero sometimes they don't 304 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: end up so. Well they end up in, prison or 305 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 2: they disappoint, us or they fail us or. Something kline. 306 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: Didn't AND i got to meet him AFTER i started doing. 307 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 2: MOVIES i was able to kind of celebrity my way 308 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: backstay back in the, stadium and Suddenly i'm meeting Out 309 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: caline and he couldn't have been, nicer and you, know 310 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: his ability to handle his fame even after he was 311 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 2: done playing. 312 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: With grace and. 313 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: Appreciation of how people felt about, him you, know because 314 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 2: it's not always, easy especially in the days of you, 315 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: know guys jumping. 316 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: In hey CAN i get a? Selfie? YEAH i do. 317 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: It take a. Long, hey come, on come, out he's 318 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: gonna do a fell you. Know held that guy he 319 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: didn't have to deal with. That but but it's it's 320 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: a great. 321 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: Lesson it. 322 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 2: Was he was a great lesson in how to handle 323 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: it because it is thrust upon. You when he passed, 324 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: away he was. Revered and, uh that's kind of how 325 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: you want to hand up is like L kline the 326 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: way he handled. 327 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: It SO i picked a good. 328 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 5: One it's. 329 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 4: Beautiful and AS i was listening to it again before 330 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 4: talking to, YOU I i couldn't help but think in 331 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 4: an era where the true gentleman don't exists as, much 332 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 4: he certainly seemed like a real gentleman with you, know high. 333 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 5: Ethics actually got to do. 334 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 4: A little work around my Radio nielsen arbitron measurement days 335 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 4: with his his, Son, mark who you may, know who's 336 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 4: a pretty influential marketing guy there up in your neck 337 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 4: of the. Woods and he couldn't have been any nicer as. 338 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 5: Well so he raised he raised a good son, also you, know, 339 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 5: yeah he. 340 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: Was he was a class. Act he really. 341 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 2: WAS i, mean we're look social media and you know 342 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: the video, games it's all about the, celebration the entertainment. 343 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: Factor you go into the end, zone you gotta do a, 344 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: dance you hit a home, run you've got to you, 345 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 2: know you, know strike somebody. Out But kayline was just 346 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: doing his. Job this is What i'm supposed to. Do 347 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: they're paying me to do. This and he doesn't celebrate 348 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 2: himself the way that that players. 349 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: Do now it's you, know it's a different. Time people. 350 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 2: Are they want different things out of their. ATHLETES i get, 351 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: that but you, Know Barry, sanders you, Know kayline Was 352 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: Barry sanders Before Barry sanders Was Barry. Sanders Barry sanders 353 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 2: was A Detroit lions running back and he would run 354 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 2: into the end, zone turn around and hand the ball 355 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 2: to the. REF i think it Was barry who, said 356 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: act like you've been here, before not like it's the 357 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: first time you've ever scored a touchdown or knocked down 358 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: a pass that was intended for a receiver that you 359 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 2: were being paid to, cover you, Know And kayline was 360 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 2: of that era where they just kind of did their, 361 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: job and if they did it with, excellence it was 362 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: even more, wonderful at least for me to see him 363 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: make that incredible catch that saved the, inning laying over the, 364 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 2: fence catching the ball and then running in without the beating. 365 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: Of the chest and all. That you, know. 366 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 2: But you, know you get, old you miss things that 367 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: aren't here. Anymore so you'll be right back with more 368 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: of The taking A Walk. Podcast welcome back to The 369 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: taking A Walk. 370 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 4: PODCAST i was privileged to get to see you at 371 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 4: the amazing performance Of To kill A mockingbird. 372 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 5: Was just absolutely. 373 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 4: Unbelievable can you take our audience back to the moment where, 374 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 4: YOU i guess for the crew members and your fellow 375 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 4: actors came out and did the amazing all. 376 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: Rise, yeah that was a gift to the cast we. 377 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 2: Had we had been in, it the original cast had 378 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 2: been in it for a. Year we had to sign 379 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: for a, year eight shows a, week and there were 380 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: three of us that didn't miss a, show so we 381 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: were very proud of. Ourselves but we were coming down 382 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: to the last, matinee The Sunday mattin and then the 383 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: next cast would take over the Following, tuesday and it's. 384 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: A long, haul AND. 385 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do for the, cast and 386 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: SO i wrote this song Called All, rise which is 387 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: something That scout says in particular in the. 388 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: Play and. 389 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: It really was just a remembrance of the year we 390 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: had spent, together knowing that in decades to come That 391 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: november Till november would be inside this, song AND i 392 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: just tried to capture some of the feelings of what 393 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: it was like for me, anyway and for others to 394 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: kind of have done. This you, know there's a line in, 395 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: there AND i always felt this during The atticus's closing, 396 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 2: argument WHEN i would turn to the, audience fourteen hundred 397 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: of the most sophisticated theatergoers and The Schubert, theater AND 398 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 2: i would turn to, them AND i would make the 399 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: audience feel like they were the twelve white jurors that 400 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: were about to Put Tom robinson. Away and you, know 401 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: AND i had, people night after night come back and 402 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: just GO i couldn't. MOVE i, mean it was the 403 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: proverbial pin drop. Moment and to get that and to 404 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 2: have that night after night after night On broadway is 405 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: Something i'll never. Forget and there's a, line couple of 406 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,239 Speaker 2: lines in the. Song you, Know i'll forever feel the 407 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 2: stillness and the silence in their eyes and that's what 408 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 2: it felt like for me looking at, them talking to, 409 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 2: them trying to get them to Let Tom robinson. Go 410 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: and that song kind of just reflects all of. That 411 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: and it's a good it's a good it was a 412 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: good closing day. 413 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 4: Gift it's a gift that still that still lives with us, 414 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 4: Though SO i really thank you for. That so can 415 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 4: you talk about what you're working on besides the show 416 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 4: for you, know fifty four below On april, Seventh you've 417 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 4: got The audible work that you're, Continuing is that? 418 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 2: Right, yeah we're looking to get a season. Three we'll 419 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: see how how season two. Does IT'S i enjoy it 420 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: doing it alive and well enough on audible Dot. Com 421 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: it's it's kind of a, memoir but more of a 422 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 2: kind of a one man audio. ADVENTURE i tell. Stories 423 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: it's similar to WHAT i do with The unplugged, show 424 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 2: but IT'S i tell, stories behind the scenes. STUFF i 425 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 2: talk a lot about What i've learned from some people 426 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: who are pretty great in all kinds of, fields whether 427 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: it's writing or acting or. Music And i'm just kind 428 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: of trying to entertain people along the. Way there's a 429 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: lot of music in, it so that's kind of teed. 430 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: UP i just shot a, movie an independent movie that 431 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: that might be pretty. Good they're just finishing cutting it. 432 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: Now it's Called raykovic and it was a movie about 433 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: the meeting Between reagan And gorbachev In, Raykovic iceland in 434 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty. Six and it's a famous meeting where they 435 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 2: went there for a weekend and sat in a house 436 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 2: and tried to figure out a way for the two 437 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: superpowers not to blow each other up with nuclear. Weapons 438 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 2: it was such a, precarious dangerous time That reagan felt 439 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: it was important that they get, together And gorbachev. 440 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: Agreed and the. 441 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: Movie is about that, weekend And Jared harris Plays gorbachev AND. 442 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 2: Jk simmons Plays George, schultz AND i Played, reagan and 443 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: we shot it in the same, house in the same, 444 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: room sitting in the same. Chairs the writer Director Michael, 445 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: gunn had access To George schultz and the transcripts of 446 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: their negotiations and their, Meetings so a lot of what 447 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 2: we're saying is what they. Said with where we are 448 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 2: now With trump and Putin it's an interesting, contrast to 449 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: say the. 450 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 5: Least we're sure can't wait to see. 451 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 2: It our hope is to get into some film festivals 452 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 2: the end of the summer early fall and hopefully have 453 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 2: it out by the end of the. 454 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: Year but you know it could be. 455 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 4: Good jeff And, closing who instilled the ability to take 456 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 4: risks that you were so amazing. 457 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: At the biggest risk were were a couple of. Them 458 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: one is to leave a little town where as the eldest, 459 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: son you were supposed to run the family, business the lumber. 460 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 2: Company there's that risk of Going i'm going to go 461 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: be an. Actor, NOW i could have failed after two 462 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: or three years and come back AND i would have 463 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 2: landed on my feet. THERE i wasn't built for. That 464 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: that wasn't WHAT i was supposed to. Do so the 465 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: risk of just going off to try to be an 466 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: actor with the odds that are stacked against you in 467 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: nineteen Seventies New York, city which is a whole different, 468 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 2: deal that's a. Risk AND i guess dumb And. DUMMER 469 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: i know dumb And dumber was a. Risk walking out 470 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: with the guitar is a. Risk but you, know my 471 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: dad told me a long time, ago you, know and 472 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 2: it's not first Time i've heard it or people have said, 473 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: it but it was invest in. Yourself and so that's 474 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: What i've. Done whatever TALENT i, Have i've tried to 475 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: live a very creative, life whether it's, acting, music. PLAYWRITING 476 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 2: i feel Like i'm doing What i'm supposed to be. 477 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: Doing it may not always make financial. Sense it's certainly 478 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 2: not what you do if you go to business school 479 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: become an. 480 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: Artist you don't do. 481 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: That it's a gamble to do some of the Things i've, 482 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 2: done But i'm still gambling on whatever TALENT i have 483 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: THAT i have continued to grow. 484 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: And learn and add. 485 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 2: To it's, cumulative you, know an artist gets better with each, 486 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: project with each, year with each. Decade that's how it's 487 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: supposed to, work if you're learning from the people y're. 488 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: Around And i've been fortunate to be around some great 489 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: people over the, decades and so it doesn't really feel 490 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: like a risk to. ME i, mean, occasionally you, know 491 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: like If dumb And dumber had, failed or The reagan 492 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 2: movie fails Or newsroom had, failed you go away into. 493 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: Oblivion but they. 494 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: Didn't they, didn't and so the risk isn't that big 495 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: of a risk IF i KNOW i can pull it, 496 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 2: off IF i work as hard AS i have to. 497 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: WORK i learned that from people Like Meryl. Streep there's 498 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: a big difference between good and, Great and the difference 499 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: is that good is a close cousin to good, enough 500 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: and the people who are great in whatever field outwork 501 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: those who are satisfied with just being. Good AND i 502 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: Remember meryl how hard she, worked how prepared she was 503 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: coming in every. Morning you know the people That i've 504 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: worked with like. That you Know Doc watson doesn't sit 505 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: on that stage and just do. That there are countless 506 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 2: hours getting that good so that he can if you 507 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: put in the, time and you know a lot more 508 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: than you did than he used. To, yeah it might 509 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: be a risk to, some but to, you it's, no 510 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: it's not as. Big it doesn't seem as big as 511 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: of a. RISK i GUESS i just challenge those who 512 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: want to pigeonhole or Label i'm constantly challenging that BECAUSE 513 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: i KNOW i can bust. 514 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 5: That So, jeff thank you so. 515 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 4: Much fifty four Below april seventh In New York. City 516 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 4: check it, Out And i'm so grateful for all. 517 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 5: The gifts that you continue to give. Us Jeff, daniels thank, you, 518 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 5: thanks BUT i appreciate. 519 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 3: It thanks for listening to this episode of The taking 520 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: A walk. Podcast share this and other episodes with your 521 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 3: friends and follow us so you never miss an. Episode 522 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: taking A walk is available on The iHeartRadio, App Apple, 523 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 3: podcasts and wherever you get your. 524 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: Podcasts