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Speaker 2: Official Dallas Cowboys Act. And now your hosts Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 2: Everson Wolves, Nate Newton, and Bill Jones.
Speaker 3: Another beautiful day for football here in Oxnard, California. Yes,
Speaker 3: it is day number ten of Cowboys training camp. It's
Speaker 3: day number three in pads today, and we are now
Speaker 3: less than ten days away from the first preseason game
Speaker 3: for your Dallas Cowboys against the Jacksonville Jaguars a week
Speaker 3: from Saturday at AT and T Stadium, Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 3: Nate Newton, and general Man. We have football tonight. In fact,
Speaker 3: how about that the Hall of Fame game is tonight
Speaker 3: the Jets and the Browns.
Speaker 1: Actually it's this afternoon, this afternoon for us, or I
Speaker 1: think it starts four thirty here. Well that's tonight four
Speaker 1: thirty here, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Okay, Cowboys played next Saturday. Wait on us Watson is playing,
Speaker 2: thank you man. But it's football, it is and it's
Speaker 2: on TV.
Speaker 4: Yeah wow.
Speaker 3: And Producers Supreme is motioning over here for something I was.
Speaker 4: Going to tell you.
Speaker 1: Remember, DeMarcus is doing the national anthems? Right, that's right.
Speaker 3: That's the biggest.
Speaker 5: Thing I'll turn out when Mickey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when Mickey sat down here with his uh parka
Speaker 3: and you already got long sleeves on, you got a hoodie.
Speaker 3: My phone says he's stressed like seven dress like this.
Speaker 3: This broadcast is from Green Bay.
Speaker 1: And look he's sitting here with shorts like this like
Speaker 1: he's freezing.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: But when when when Mickey sat down here, he said,
Speaker 3: we got to talk about DeMarcus ware, that's right. They said,
Speaker 3: what happened to DeMarcus? And I forgot? He's singing the
Speaker 3: national anthem today?
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. I bet he's more nervous for that than
Speaker 1: having to give his accepting speech.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Hopefully they have the war the words up on the
Speaker 1: big board.
Speaker 3: You know, if he's confident enough, if he's confident enough
Speaker 3: to volunteer to sing the national anthem, I think he's
Speaker 3: got it down.
Speaker 1: Do you know Brad Sham's brother, Eric sa national anthem
Speaker 1: last night the Rangers game.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, And you can see Eric Sham
Speaker 3: on a daily basis at a at the Star and
Speaker 3: given tours. He gives tours out there.
Speaker 4: He's not singing, but he's given to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he comes, maybe you have to pay extra
Speaker 1: on that tour.
Speaker 4: Only with the Cowboys, Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nate, what's on your mind this morning?
Speaker 4: Just anything you guys want to talk about.
Speaker 5: We tried before the show, we tried to get a
Speaker 5: pre prep with Mick and all he talked about was
Speaker 5: DeMarcus Ware And the first thing he did when we
Speaker 5: come on airs, forget about DeMarcus.
Speaker 4: Nick, what are we talk about?
Speaker 1: When asked me about that, Hey, I know what I see.
Speaker 1: Let's start here, Okay. Mike Solari, he had an interview yesterday.
Speaker 3: I think probably the assistant coaches did interviews with the
Speaker 3: local media after they walked through yesterday.
Speaker 1: And so I was thinking with Tyron Smith, he talked
Speaker 1: about salary the other day when he actually did an
Speaker 1: interview out there, and he was talking about how he
Speaker 1: brings a lot of energy to the room, talked about
Speaker 1: how he is kind of old school and he'll tell
Speaker 1: you which needs to be told. But it dawned on
Speaker 1: me with Tyron had gotten here since twenty eleven, Yes,
Speaker 1: first round pick? How many offensive line coaches. Off the
Speaker 1: top of your head, do you think he's had.
Speaker 4: Seven?
Speaker 1: Nate right on the Oh, really seven is seven? I
Speaker 1: went back and looked it up and it started Bill Callahan,
Speaker 1: good coach, great coach, Hudson Howe great. Actually Hudson how.
Speaker 4: First, good coach, great coach. Then it was.
Speaker 1: Paul Alexander a coach, half half a season a coach,
Speaker 1: Mark Colombo good coach. Then uh, Frank I skipped Frank
Speaker 1: Pollard was before Mark maybe Collard was in there, and
Speaker 1: then Joe Philbin and now Mike Slari. So it's like
Speaker 1: almost once every two years he's had a new offensive line.
Speaker 3: Offensive line coaches too. And in fact, Mike Solari, for
Speaker 3: you longtime Cowboys fans, he was on this staff when
Speaker 3: Tom Landry was the head coach, and.
Speaker 1: I was that came in the players eighty eight. Get
Speaker 1: you On special teams.
Speaker 5: I was doing a kickoff return yes back then, yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah I was. I was part of the wedge.
Speaker 1: Yeah you were the whole way.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, we we was topping the line.
Speaker 5: Go back and check the stat We wasn't joking, bro,
Speaker 5: I was calling whether it was right or left return,
Speaker 5: or whether it was reverse whatever.
Speaker 4: I was the one calling it.
Speaker 5: I wasn't the smartest guy in the world, but I
Speaker 5: could see the different hashes, so I.
Speaker 1: Could call you left and right up the middle, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: very good. So anyway, I just thought that was interesting
Speaker 1: that he's had that many offensive line coaches over the
Speaker 1: UH and well respected.
Speaker 3: And that's one of the moves that thirty four.
Speaker 1: Years of coaching in the NFL, thirty four that's ah,
Speaker 1: this I should say this is his thirty fourth year.
Speaker 3: So well, the guy who replaced Joe Philbin it may
Speaker 3: not have been in the NFL for thirty four years,
Speaker 3: but he's got to got to have at least thirty
Speaker 3: four years of experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there in college prior to and the and
Speaker 1: the difference in personalities one hundred and eighty degrees right.
Speaker 4: When you this is this is when you It's all.
Speaker 5: About your presentation with offensive linemen, when you walk through
Speaker 5: the door, and how you present yourself go a long
Speaker 5: way with these guys because they if you tell them
Speaker 5: one thing and you're going to be this way, you
Speaker 5: got to be that way. And a lot of coaches
Speaker 5: that I in that first coach you did, the guy
Speaker 5: that went to the Washington Commune.
Speaker 1: Callahan, Bill Callahan, I liked.
Speaker 4: Him because he didn't play.
Speaker 5: If you play well, he gonna tell you played well,
Speaker 5: but you didn't play great.
Speaker 4: And that's what he's looking for.
Speaker 5: And when he work his individual deal, he asks for
Speaker 5: you to get into individuals and get involved. A lot
Speaker 5: of times guys will have do things. We really do
Speaker 5: win the game. In practice. Our preparation is everything as
Speaker 5: a unit because we all has to be on the
Speaker 5: same page. And if that coach ain't getting that over
Speaker 5: real well and giving you scenarios and situations where you
Speaker 5: can adjust in the game real well or transform it
Speaker 5: to the transfer.
Speaker 4: What's worth what I'm looking for, transition it to the
Speaker 4: game easily. That guy's not doing his job.
Speaker 5: And and coach we've had a few coaches Hudson Hall,
Speaker 5: coach y'all Callahan, those guys are great.
Speaker 4: Coach clari is up that ilk. You don't need new
Speaker 4: school offensive line coaches. You really don't. All of those
Speaker 4: guys should stay old school.
Speaker 5: Now other other positions, well, I'm serious, other positions right, Uh,
Speaker 5: you know I got to do this and to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: oh man, we're doing it like this. And coach McCarthy said,
Speaker 5: you don't need a lot of padded practices because the
Speaker 5: new NFL requires a little bit more athletic ability because
Speaker 5: the field is we're covering the whole field. But that's
Speaker 5: not really true with the offensive line, you know, because
Speaker 5: we're in a certain area all the time, and we're
Speaker 5: not going past that area a lot of the times,
Speaker 5: whether it's a pass or run, we kind of stay
Speaker 5: in that same area. So it's it's a little bit
Speaker 5: more physical. So you do need that old school coach
Speaker 5: that's gonna drill technique, gonna do his drills at a
Speaker 5: high pace, so these guys can be easy to transition.
Speaker 1: Just off the top of my head, I'm thinking you
Speaker 1: had five different offensive line coaches with.
Speaker 5: The coachmar Okay, Jim ring Back, Tony Wise, coach Hudson
Speaker 5: Hawk Okay, and did I have anybody else?
Speaker 1: There wasn't somebody between Irkinbach and Tony right, because when
Speaker 1: Jimmy got here in the n nine, he bought Tony Wise.
Speaker 5: Yes, I had, I had all of my Now my
Speaker 5: first jim My coach moral was my least uh, I
Speaker 5: would say, technique guy and now he he You had
Speaker 5: to know the plays but technique and getting you prepared
Speaker 5: for a game for the situations that you will face.
Speaker 5: He wasn't great at that, but you were gonna be
Speaker 5: in shape and you were gonna know the plays. Now,
Speaker 5: how you blocked those plays was gonna be up to you.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But Tony Wise, Jim Urknbeck, they made sure you knew
Speaker 5: the technique, the proper way to do it. And coach
Speaker 5: Hudson Hawk was a technician because we had to be.
Speaker 4: We were drop step guys. When he got here.
Speaker 5: We had to take a step, drop step, get in
Speaker 5: sync and that lined us up always with.
Speaker 4: The running back, especially doing running back plays.
Speaker 5: We were always in sync, always in step with the
Speaker 5: running back, so he get.
Speaker 4: The proper read for the proper holes.
Speaker 5: And I'm telling you I had some of the best,
Speaker 5: if not the best. The only guy I missed was
Speaker 5: that guy that left us and went to Washington.
Speaker 1: Callahan, that dude.
Speaker 5: He is one of the best. That's all I can say.
Speaker 5: He's not offensive coordinator. He think he is, but he's
Speaker 5: offensive line.
Speaker 3: Coach Mike Solari. I'm just looking at his resume and
Speaker 3: we mentioned when he was he was with the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: as the assistant offensive line coach in special teams coach
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty seven and eighty eight. Prior to that,
Speaker 3: he had coached in college. Listened to his journey now
Speaker 3: go all the way back nineteen seventy six when he
Speaker 3: was the offensive line coach straight out of college at
Speaker 3: Mission Bay High School out here in California, Myra Costa College,
Speaker 3: United States International, Boise State, Cincinnati, Kansas, and pitt Then
Speaker 3: to the NFL with the Cowboys in eighty seven, the
Speaker 3: Phoenix Cardinals under Gene Stallings in eighty nine, to Alabama
Speaker 3: with Gene Stallings nineteen ninety and ninety one. Back to
Speaker 3: the NFL, he was with the Niners and their Super
Speaker 3: Bowl in their nineties teams that went up against the
Speaker 3: Nate Newton's Cowboys. Ninety two through ninety six, he was
Speaker 3: the tight ends coach, so he was Brent Jones coach
Speaker 3: with the Niners. Then he went to Kansas City so
Speaker 3: that he would have been with McCarthy there early on
Speaker 3: in ninety seven. With Kansas City, he was there at
Speaker 3: ninety seven through five through seven offensive coordinator at the
Speaker 3: end of his run there. Then goes to Seattle eighth
Speaker 3: nine to San Francisco with Harbaugh twenty ten to fourteen,
Speaker 3: to Green Bay with McCarthy in twenty fifteen, to the
Speaker 3: Giants in twenty sixteen seventeen, and then back to Seattle
Speaker 3: in eighteen twenty one with Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4: And what that tells me is whether you a zone
Speaker 4: or a solo block. I call it solo block.
Speaker 5: And when you do one on one block and its
Speaker 5: zone block is when you take off and run and
Speaker 5: pick up area man area. So it don't matter what
Speaker 5: offense you in. This guy can coach it and he
Speaker 5: understands what he needs. And a guy like that is
Speaker 5: when you come into the West Coast offense, you have
Speaker 5: to have a guy like that that can adjust everything
Speaker 5: because he got to be continually teaching his players. This
Speaker 5: scheme is gonna be different this week because you change
Speaker 5: a little bit more.
Speaker 4: When you go to the West Coast offense.
Speaker 3: Was what was his last offensive lineman?
Speaker 4: Yes, what was his.
Speaker 1: Last before coming here Seattle? Seattle?
Speaker 3: They were a bunch of bruises And he was not
Speaker 3: coaching last year in Seattle. He was through twenty one.
Speaker 1: Right, And a lot of times when the coaches move
Speaker 1: around like that, it has to do with staffs changing,
Speaker 1: the head coach coming in, getting the guy they want.
Speaker 3: And why is he here? He was with McCarthy a
Speaker 3: couple of times in the past.
Speaker 1: Right and who you know anyway, So yeah, the assistants
Speaker 1: were available yesterday, probably the only time we I mean
Speaker 1: we can talk to him, but they actually stood, you know,
Speaker 1: in front of cameras or whatever.
Speaker 5: He's your MVP. He's your MVP or he's your goat. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's just the bottom line. He he If we go far,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be because of Coachlar. If we don't go far,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be because of him. In the offensive line,
Speaker 5: I just believe that this year. It make you heard
Speaker 5: me say it a thousand times. That's that's I'm basing
Speaker 5: this this year of the two things, protecting the ball
Speaker 5: and how offensive line plays, you know.
Speaker 1: And he's got a kind of a dual job here,
Speaker 1: not only getting the starting five set, but he's also
Speaker 1: has to develop depth on this offensive line. And you know,
Speaker 1: we sit here and go, well, it looks like that
Speaker 1: second offensive line might be pretty good, but now we
Speaker 1: got to see it. Unfortunately for some of those guys,
Speaker 1: And after watching the first couple team padded practices. You
Speaker 1: had some young guys at tackle, like, well, let's go.
Speaker 1: I guess a Dooga is not exactly a young guy,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't played that much in the league.
Speaker 4: Do we still do yoga?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that.
Speaker 4: They better heard him, get some yoga. That kid is, man,
Speaker 4: I've seen ironing boards move by that bro.
Speaker 3: They do yoga.
Speaker 4: They haven't seen it.
Speaker 3: That's because they do it where you can't see it. Oh, indoors, No,
Speaker 3: it's outdoors.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you they need to hurry up.
Speaker 5: They need to do it twice a day with this kid,
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, man, I am.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: This number eleven Okay, he's great. Number eleven is great.
Speaker 5: But he lined he lines up at on seventy one
Speaker 5: and don't even don't even acknowledge it. He's like, he
Speaker 5: don't even he just ran that, behd. He don't even
Speaker 5: acknowledge him. He don't touch him, you don't. He's just
Speaker 5: and walk so bothers me.
Speaker 1: Here's where I was going with that, because Parsons, it
Speaker 1: almost doesn't matter who's lining up at taxing.
Speaker 4: I agree, but at least he has to acknowledge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tyron, Tyron and steal.
Speaker 4: Still at least at least they get a hand on it.
Speaker 1: But he's he's abusing the tackles and you gotta understand.
Speaker 1: So you got to decide is it Parsons or is
Speaker 1: it you know, these guys struggling.
Speaker 5: Because I see, well, let's go go right at uh Follower.
Speaker 5: No problem that he'll not follow on the ground. The
Speaker 5: problem with our offensive line right now, This is with
Speaker 5: Josh Baul, this is with seventy nine.
Speaker 4: Well, let's go.
Speaker 5: You have to at some point jam the guy out
Speaker 5: and fight. You can't continue to give ground. You're gonna
Speaker 5: be on.
Speaker 4: Top of the quarterback. You have to pick a spot
Speaker 4: and say I'm getting to this spot and you.
Speaker 5: Gotta fight, and you gotta fight. And these guys are
Speaker 5: too passive and I don't know how you change that.
Speaker 5: I don't know how you change that. And I and
Speaker 5: uh cheshamerglocked him. A great Raider player out of Clemson,
Speaker 5: first round pick, was with the Raiders, and we was
Speaker 5: watching film and coach do this, Nate technique, this take that,
Speaker 5: And I was a maller. I was a fighter, and
Speaker 5: so I'm trying to do all these technique. I find
Speaker 5: myself just backing up, losing every battle. And then Tony
Speaker 5: Wise stopped me and he said.
Speaker 4: Hey, look at here, Nate, look at her.
Speaker 5: He he rally cussings and hey, Nate, look at here.
Speaker 5: But uh, I understand that we're teaching technique and we
Speaker 5: want to believe in our technique.
Speaker 4: He said, by get.
Speaker 5: Something point, you gotta stop and fight this son of it.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, right and and and then
Speaker 5: I started winning the battles again. He like, Nate, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna teach you technique and we're gonna have to always
Speaker 5: believe in that. But at some point you have to
Speaker 5: stop and fight and let a person know you. I
Speaker 5: ain't backing up, bro, I got a paras just like you.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Chester mcloughtin was coached by Mike
Speaker 3: Solari in Kanesas City.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 3: When did you run across Chester mcglocktay? He just he
Speaker 3: was with the Raiders, Okay, Devens right ninety two through
Speaker 3: ninety seven. He was with the Raiders.
Speaker 5: You're talking of a talent that did not reach his potential.
Speaker 5: I feel bad. I feel sorry for that kid. I mean, now,
Speaker 5: he was a great player.
Speaker 3: Hey, you played twelve years in the league. He played
Speaker 3: twelve years in the league and four time Pro bowler.
Speaker 5: Off talent alone, he could have been a ten time
Speaker 5: pro bowler if he wanted to.
Speaker 3: Six three, three hundred and thirty four pounds. That's why
Speaker 3: he's listed here.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and in the ball when he wanted the ball,
Speaker 5: he was nasty.
Speaker 1: So there's been a also a well, speaking of Parsons, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when he did his interview, he was talking about the
Speaker 1: benefits of having Stefan Gilmore on the team, and they
Speaker 1: were going back and forth and he kept talking about, well,
Speaker 1: I told Gilmore, if if if you covered the way
Speaker 1: you cover, you can get me three more sacks, and
Speaker 1: and and then he told Gilmore, he said, and by
Speaker 1: the way, you're gonna get more interceptions because quarterbacks aren't
Speaker 1: gonna have any time to throw the ball. You know,
Speaker 1: you can kind of count on it.
Speaker 4: So why do I love Parsons? And I don't Basically,
Speaker 4: I don't care what he does say.
Speaker 5: But why is it why does it always lead back
Speaker 5: to I'm the man because he is the man.
Speaker 3: Because he is the man that I know that.
Speaker 4: And that's why I said, I don't care what he's saying,
Speaker 4: because I was like, oh, Gody, he's praising Gilmore. Oh my,
Speaker 4: but so lady, why is background?
Speaker 1: I will help you out too. You know what it
Speaker 1: you know what it reminds. And this defensive front could
Speaker 1: be pretty strong, including the linebackers, because they're using the lineback. Well,
Speaker 1: they started Parsons as a linebacker. Now he's rushing. They
Speaker 1: got vander Ash rushing as a defensive end in some situations.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be interesting to watch. But that pass rush
Speaker 1: could be awfully good. And you know what it reminded
Speaker 1: me of. And stop me if I already told the story.
Speaker 1: You remember I Colt came over with the trade from
Speaker 1: herschel Walker, so it had to be like ninety or
Speaker 1: ninety one. Everybody was praising the Eagles secondary how good
Speaker 1: they were. So we're in the locker room one day
Speaker 1: and you know Ike, he's pretty funny, and we're in
Speaker 1: the locker room one day and somebody was talking about
Speaker 1: their secondary and Ike goes, well, let me show you
Speaker 1: what the Eagle cornerbacks do almost every play. So he
Speaker 1: reminded everybody of their front Reggie White, Clyde Simmons in whoever,
Speaker 1: the other fourth guy was, and he goes, here, here's
Speaker 1: what their corners do. So he gets down in his
Speaker 1: stance with his hands on his knees and he back
Speaker 1: pedals right, and he goes, all right, here we go
Speaker 1: snap and he steps three steps back. He stands up,
Speaker 1: puts his arms across his chest. I'm good.
Speaker 4: I'm good because he knew.
Speaker 1: They didn't have to cover very last, right, especially with
Speaker 1: that front, all right, and so if the Cowboys can
Speaker 1: put a pass rush together like that, now you still
Speaker 1: got to stop the run. But the pressure on opposing
Speaker 1: quarterback is gonna help the secondary.
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Speaker 3: All right, we continue nowt here on mixed shots. You
Speaker 3: know yesterday was a deck day for the local media.
Speaker 3: We got our car wash, We got our four minutes
Speaker 3: and thirty seconds with with dek.
Speaker 1: Did you use it wisely?
Speaker 3: I tried to, Okay, try.
Speaker 4: You give it my.
Speaker 1: Few nuggets to get some nuggets from Bill Jones.
Speaker 3: What you want to know from him?
Speaker 1: I want to know what the nuggets A expert here,
Speaker 1: you asked the question.
Speaker 3: Yes, what was my first question to him, Trayvon Diggs. No, Now,
Speaker 3: in fact, I saw it happen out here and I
Speaker 3: thought nothing of it. No, I thought it and I
Speaker 3: see it later that it's making and.
Speaker 1: I thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 3: And you know, Doosey's sitting at home, okay, and so
Speaker 3: he's watching everything that come in on Twitter, and so
Speaker 3: he asked him about it because because and he said,
Speaker 3: Ducy asked it a very professional one, see and.
Speaker 1: What what what? What started it was when the offense.
Speaker 3: Was He got a smile out of that.
Speaker 1: When the offense was doing well, that kind of postured
Speaker 1: towards the defensive sideline.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's just normal natural stuff that happens all
Speaker 3: the time that you want to happen on the practice field,
Speaker 3: that's right. My first question was about Zeke, of course,
Speaker 3: and do you want Zeke back? Well, I hope he
Speaker 3: comes back. No, did he say that he's the way
Speaker 3: I couched it was? How strange is it without Zeke here?
Speaker 3: And is there a part of you that hopes that
Speaker 3: someday you could be teammates again, and he immediately said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'd love to be teammates again. But he understands the
Speaker 3: business of ball and you know so, uh I guarantee
Speaker 3: you though behind the scenes he's saying, oh.
Speaker 1: Sure, but he's talking to him regularly.
Speaker 3: Well, And that's the other thing he said. He said
Speaker 3: that he talks to him every other day, and he
Speaker 3: said he had he's had a couple of visits. Of course,
Speaker 3: the only one that's public is the New England one.
Speaker 3: Apparently there's been another one too, So you know what,
Speaker 3: I think, I'm just keeping an eye on it until
Speaker 3: Zeke signs somewhere. It's still an item.
Speaker 5: Ric O'Donnell and Malik Davis don't pan out. Yeah, sign
Speaker 5: him right then, But until you decide in your mind
Speaker 5: is coaching staff and as a player personnel guy, until
Speaker 5: you decide that these two guys can't do the job,
Speaker 5: you just go signing round.
Speaker 3: That's why when when McCarthy answers the question about about
Speaker 3: the other day, he's talking about right now that when
Speaker 3: when he's asked, do you want Zeke back? Or it
Speaker 3: came up because of the Ronald Jones suspension, whatever, and
Speaker 3: and and he basically said that, well, you know, we
Speaker 3: want to see these guys in preseason and training camp,
Speaker 3: in preseason games and give them snaps now and see
Speaker 3: what we got here.
Speaker 1: And that's what he was trying to point out.
Speaker 3: He wasn't he's not he's not ruling out right.
Speaker 1: We got to give these weeks from now, Yeah, we gotta,
Speaker 1: and we got to see if if inexpensively, we can
Speaker 1: fill that spot with these guys. We don't need a
Speaker 1: progress stopper here. And even when Jerry said, we haven't
Speaker 1: shut the door on it, but he went on to say,
Speaker 1: we'll see as.
Speaker 3: As we get into the season, and and and the
Speaker 3: way I take him when he says into the season
Speaker 3: they start getting into the season once they break camp
Speaker 3: is the way I look.
Speaker 4: Absolutely as simple as this.
Speaker 5: If you decided neither one of these guys what you need, because.
Speaker 4: I like Ronald Jones, but that was never one of my.
Speaker 5: Guys, you can't he's a progress stopper because ric O'Donnell
Speaker 5: and Elik Davis has shown great potential to me, I know,
Speaker 5: as runners, all I need to know if I if
Speaker 5: I can't depend on you the block or or at
Speaker 5: least get in the web of the right guy doing
Speaker 5: blitz pick up or quick escape bothering. Now, if you
Speaker 5: decide that you can't do that, I don't need you.
Speaker 5: I can go out and find pure runners.
Speaker 4: I need that guy.
Speaker 5: That can do just a little extra. But if one
Speaker 5: of these guys can do extra, we have no need
Speaker 5: for Ronald Jones. Sorry, sir, I know you're a Super
Speaker 5: Bowl winner. I love you to death, but and we
Speaker 5: have no room for Zeke. You can feel that with
Speaker 5: another spot. These two guys don't know how much is
Speaker 5: riding on them.
Speaker 1: They need to understand it.
Speaker 3: Where we are right now and Zeke is. Players get
Speaker 3: hurt all the time all across the league. And we'll
Speaker 3: see if a team loses a back and they need
Speaker 3: someone likes then the market is there for him.
Speaker 5: One thing about Zeke he's durable, he's dependable, and he's
Speaker 5: old school.
Speaker 1: You know you need a running back, they're gonna fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when there's no game there and you get two.
Speaker 5: Yes, he's old school. So but I'm telling you, fellas, Uh,
Speaker 5: the day you decide.
Speaker 4: Don't wait.
Speaker 5: If you have two preseason games and you say, uh,
Speaker 5: sign Zeke, right, don't wait but because when this season start,
Speaker 5: we do not have a letdown in our season, y'all.
Speaker 4: We start with the Giants, we start with it. We
Speaker 4: do not have a letdown.
Speaker 5: We do not play anybody that's insignificant for a long time.
Speaker 5: So we can't afford to lose games because we need
Speaker 5: to be either one or two.
Speaker 4: In the ease.
Speaker 1: I mean it starts Giants.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, Yes, we can't lose neither one of those
Speaker 2: games Arizona, we can on the road, we can't lose.
Speaker 3: So clarify on Ronald Jones on his suspension. He has
Speaker 3: to be on the fifty three man roster, he count.
Speaker 3: The suspension doesn't start until the first week, and so
Speaker 3: it's not like he goes on a suspended list at
Speaker 3: the fifty three man roster. Am I right?
Speaker 1: Or does he have to be on the fifty three
Speaker 1: and then think he has to be on this?
Speaker 3: Okay, so he would not count he was being suspended,
Speaker 3: the first two games would not count. I think we
Speaker 3: need to clarify automatically.
Speaker 1: I think goes on suspension. I mean, I guess you
Speaker 1: have to be on a team. That's a good thing.
Speaker 1: To clarify. We need to So did you ask Dak
Speaker 1: about his interceptions.
Speaker 3: Well, it was in the context of of I went
Speaker 3: down a road a narrative with his Walter Payton NFL
Speaker 3: Man of the Year award, which, by the ways, you
Speaker 3: may have noticed if you were watching practices closely out here,
Speaker 3: there's a patch on his jersey that every Walter an
Speaker 3: NFL Man of the Year Award winner wares on game
Speaker 3: jerseys during during during games. Well, he's got his has
Speaker 3: on his practice jersey as well. Oh really, and and
Speaker 3: you notice, well, I'm the media guide here and so anyway, uh,
Speaker 3: it's on the media guide. You can see it on there.
Speaker 3: But so I went down that road with him, and
Speaker 3: we've talked about we got to talking about his mom,
Speaker 3: and of course the big thing with his mom, as
Speaker 3: Jerry was pointing out in his interviews, is Dak's mom
Speaker 3: always told him don't when he left the house in
Speaker 3: the morning, Uh, don't throw an interception today, you know.
Speaker 3: And so we did in that context. One thing about
Speaker 3: Dak though, and you know, he just turned thirty. The
Speaker 3: other thing that this year, this fall will be the
Speaker 3: ten year anniversary of his mom's passing. Oh, which was
Speaker 3: it was twenty thirteen and When you dig back into
Speaker 3: Dak's career at Mississippi State, that was his sophomore year
Speaker 3: at Mississippi State in twenty thirteen. He had just he
Speaker 3: was They had a dual quarterback system there. He started
Speaker 3: wound up starting seven games. But I did some digging
Speaker 3: and researching for the interview, went back and looked at
Speaker 3: when his mom died, which was November three of twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: They played Texas A and M. Johnny Manziel in Texas
Speaker 3: A and M the following Saturday. He buried his mom
Speaker 3: on Wednesday. He played in the game on Saturday, and
Speaker 3: he played a great game. He got hurt in that game, Okay,
Speaker 3: he heard his elbow and it was it was one
Speaker 3: of those Rock Purty type injuries where he couldn't feel anything.
Speaker 3: He had to come out of the game, all right.
Speaker 3: The Egg Bowl, the big rivalry game against Ole Miss,
Speaker 3: which was nineteen days later November twenty.
Speaker 1: Eighth, covered many of those.
Speaker 3: Okay. The doctors leading up to that game said it
Speaker 3: would be a miracle if Dak Prescott played in that
Speaker 3: game because of what was going on with his elbow,
Speaker 3: so he didn't start the game. Mississippi State is trailing
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, Dak comes off the bench, even
Speaker 3: though it's a miracle that he could even come off
Speaker 3: the bench. He and completes eleven passes. They tie the game,
Speaker 3: they go into overtime, Dak scores the winning touchdown, and
Speaker 3: overtime get I get goosebumps even just telling the story.
Speaker 3: But it was just when when you talk about when
Speaker 3: Dak talks about which is kind of the theme of
Speaker 3: his career, dealing with adversity and you find strength in adversity,
Speaker 3: I mean that it was manifested in the days and
Speaker 3: weeks after his mom's passing, and it's it's and it
Speaker 3: set the tone for his entire career. He went on
Speaker 3: the next year Mississippi State. Mississippi States never ranked number
Speaker 3: one in the country. They got all the way up
Speaker 3: to number one in the country the following year with
Speaker 3: him as a starting quarterback. I go back, when you
Speaker 3: go back and review his college career, you go how
Speaker 3: in the and then you know what we know about
Speaker 3: him as a leader and everything about him. How in
Speaker 3: the world did NFL teams miss on this guy where
Speaker 3: he was a fourth round draft pick. It's amazing when
Speaker 3: you go back and look at what he had did in.
Speaker 1: College, and every one of them missed on them, and
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys missed four rounds before they got on
Speaker 1: everybody second picked in the fourth round, right.
Speaker 5: Because you know that when they first they they wanted
Speaker 5: someone else.
Speaker 1: Oh, they tried three other quarterbacks they tried to get
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and none of them, none of them that
Speaker 1: were drafted ahead of them, or still if I got
Speaker 1: this right, still with their same team.
Speaker 3: So anyway that I went down that road with Dak
Speaker 3: in the interview, rather.
Speaker 5: The Cowboys got to be the luckiest. We fell into
Speaker 5: you type teed, we fell into we fell into number
Speaker 5: eleven because you wanted some corners. Corners went there. Well,
Speaker 5: we'll take this guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you could do the same thing with Micah.
Speaker 3: You look at him and like, how did eleven teams
Speaker 3: miss on him before the Cowboys got him with the
Speaker 3: twelfth pick of the All right, we continue with more
Speaker 3: mixed shots in a moment.
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Speaker 4: I got stuck.
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Speaker 1: Now, so when you mentioned this is going to be
Speaker 1: a good segue into DeMarcus Ware the eleventh pick.
Speaker 3: Yes, we need to talk d Ware.
Speaker 1: That's right. The Cowboys got DeMarcus Ware with the eleventh
Speaker 1: pick in the first round in two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: You remember, Yeah, great pick, great pick, Bill, and I
Speaker 1: wanted him.
Speaker 3: That's right. In fact, that was in the early days
Speaker 3: of the Cowboys Channel, and we were doing programming for
Speaker 3: the Cowboys Channel leading up to the draft and we
Speaker 3: interviewed I want to say it was his college coach.
Speaker 3: We interviewed Marcus Spears, heighth high school coach. So we
Speaker 3: had it narrowed down, just like they did in the
Speaker 3: Cowboys draft room. They had it narrowed down to Marcus Spears,
Speaker 3: this former basketball player from Southern lab High School and
Speaker 3: Baton Rouge. He went to LSU and to Marcus Ware,
Speaker 3: this former wide recevir or at Troy, who who went
Speaker 3: to Troy as one hundred and ninety five pound wide
Speaker 3: receiver and came out of Troy as a two hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty pound defensive end. And we were we decided
Speaker 3: that d Ware should be the Sean Merriman was the
Speaker 3: other one they had in and we all liked Dware.
Speaker 1: Well. The interesting thing on DeMarcus Ware. I remember that
Speaker 1: year I was headed to the Super Bowl in Florida
Speaker 1: and on the way we stopped in Alabama for the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl in Mobile, and I remember asking, I believe
Speaker 1: I asked Chris Hall. I said, you guys are looking
Speaker 1: for sort of a linebacker pass rushing defensive end. Who
Speaker 1: should I keep my eye on? And he said, this guy,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Ware. Just kind of keep an eye on him
Speaker 1: right well during the game. And that's all I saw
Speaker 1: was the game. They had to lind him up as
Speaker 1: a down defensive end with his hand on the ground,
Speaker 1: and then they lined him up as like an outside
Speaker 1: linebacker right and man, he could do both. And there
Speaker 1: was a play that was away from him and he
Speaker 1: was at left defensive end. He ran the guy down
Speaker 1: on the right sideline and I'm going, okay, I'm sold
Speaker 1: this guy. Uh, that's got to be the pick. And
Speaker 1: they ended up getting them with eleven and spears at
Speaker 1: twenty yep uh and the rest is history.
Speaker 3: And Jerry, I asked, Jerry interview earlier this week, asked
Speaker 3: him about that draft day decision. Of course, as legend
Speaker 3: had it, you know, Parcels wanted spears and uh and
Speaker 3: everyone else wanted d ware basically, and but Jerry said
Speaker 3: that the Parcels reasoning on that was he felt like
Speaker 3: with spears it had to do with scheme, and he
Speaker 3: felt like with with spears they could stay in a
Speaker 3: four to three defense, They could do either a four
Speaker 3: to three or three four with where if they made
Speaker 3: to pick a where they had to go to a
Speaker 3: three four.
Speaker 1: And he gave a five minute story about the bet right.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, which we don't have to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have time for that. So you tell me,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus where with the Cowboys set the career sack record
Speaker 1: with one hundred and seventeen. He had two seasons with
Speaker 1: twenty and nineteen and a half. What made him such
Speaker 1: a good pass rusher from an offensive lineman standpoint, He.
Speaker 4: Wasn't gonna let you put his hand. You weren't gonna
Speaker 4: put your hands on me.
Speaker 5: He tried if all he came to me his rookie year,
Speaker 5: I was out at unt. But it's during this camp
Speaker 5: and they paid him to come out and he said,
Speaker 5: big Noon, how you doing, sir?
Speaker 4: That this great respect? He said, Man, you need to
Speaker 4: show me some things.
Speaker 5: I said, son, all I can tell you, and I
Speaker 5: looked at him, how smaller?
Speaker 4: I said, son, Just don't do not let them put
Speaker 4: your hands.
Speaker 5: I said, I know you think that's crazy what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: because I ain't showing you no techniques, but don't let
Speaker 5: them put their hands on you, because once they do,
Speaker 5: you up through.
Speaker 4: And he just thought about it. He said okay.
Speaker 5: And about five years they said, hey, big Noon, I said,
Speaker 5: what's up, hey, man?
Speaker 4: They still ain't touching me.
Speaker 1: So well. He probably came out at about two forty five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3: I think he was two fifty two combine he was
Speaker 3: two fifty one.
Speaker 5: Hip being when you going around in the first thing
Speaker 5: I looked for in the defensive end or outside Lineberry, do.
Speaker 4: You have initial speed.
Speaker 5: If you have initial speed and you can bend at
Speaker 5: the waist so when they hit you on the back
Speaker 5: of your shoulder, it launches you into the quarterback. If
Speaker 5: you can do that, you got half of the game beat.
Speaker 5: And he could do that. He could get outside fast
Speaker 5: enough that he can get his shoulders bent and he
Speaker 5: can lean and you can launch it right into the quarterback,
Speaker 5: whether it's three step drop, five step, or seventh step,
Speaker 5: depending on what he felt was gonna be. He he
Speaker 5: was good at that, and then he just built this
Speaker 5: game after that.
Speaker 1: You know, his bill pointed out, you know when he
Speaker 1: went to Troy like a wide receiver tight end, and they
Speaker 1: finally moved him to defensive end. But he was a guy,
Speaker 1: and then he was on a mission because he was
Speaker 1: born in Auburn, Alabama, and they no interest in him
Speaker 1: whatsoever coming out of high school and he had to
Speaker 1: go to Troy because.
Speaker 3: He's under ninety Yeah. Right, his measurables at the combine. Okay,
Speaker 3: you talk about that bend. That three cone drill is
Speaker 3: what really shows that he ran a six eight three
Speaker 3: cone drill at two hundred and fifty one pounds. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's as good as you'll find and that's a great
Speaker 3: indicator that he can, yeah around that corner. And he
Speaker 3: had a four oh seven shuttle, thirty eight and a
Speaker 3: half vertical, twenty seven benchrips. It's forty four to six five. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's pretty good ten yard split.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: See this is what what I this is what It
Speaker 5: lets you know that Parson is unique because what Parson runs.
Speaker 4: A four four four five. It is so hard to
Speaker 4: run that in a short distance. Can you be as
Speaker 4: quick and as.
Speaker 5: Fast and show your forty within four yards? You know
Speaker 5: it takes you don't take a guy two or three
Speaker 5: steps to get going, But it didn't take d Ware
Speaker 5: to it. It took him one step to get going.
Speaker 5: It takes Parsons one step. And that is scary because
Speaker 5: we cannot judge your speed. And then he has a
Speaker 5: different speed when the game start, so he's playing with
Speaker 5: you all the time because he know he's much faster
Speaker 5: than you. So and this is what Parson has to
Speaker 5: learn if he's gonna make it all seventeen games at
Speaker 5: demens Man.
Speaker 4: He can play with guys he has three speeds and
Speaker 4: all of them can beat you.
Speaker 5: And then once he learns that, it learns how to
Speaker 5: really play the game and find out you don't have
Speaker 5: to be wide open on every play. You can set
Speaker 5: guys up with your speed. He's gonna be devastating.
Speaker 3: And as we wrap up this edition and Mike shots,
Speaker 3: of course, a couple of other guys who played for
Speaker 3: the Cowboys also going into the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
Speaker 3: the great Chuck Hallie Yea, and Zach Thomas, who played
Speaker 3: his last year with the Cowboys. I can't believe it's
Speaker 3: still It's been fifteen years since Zach Thomas was out
Speaker 3: here in two thousand and eight as a member of
Speaker 3: the Cowboys. And you talk about a guy who needed
Speaker 3: the yoga classes, he would he would spend more time
Speaker 3: stretching before practice than he would stretch.
Speaker 1: Then he would be looking for the couple of inches
Speaker 1: and probably and probably would Chuck Holly, it's been sixty
Speaker 1: years since he was in Thousand Oaks and this was
Speaker 1: long overdue for fifty fifty years. Well, no, he would
Speaker 1: have been.
Speaker 3: There, and he played in the Super Bowl in sixty
Speaker 3: seventy one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: He first got here first thousand.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: All right, that does it for this edition of Mixed Shows,
Speaker 3: before we go viral with Mickey and I acting like
Speaker 3: Dak and tray Vin going at each other here at
Speaker 3: that's right show. You know what I'm gonna be What
Speaker 3: time you doing mix shots again?
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: When's the next mix shots?
Speaker 1: Monday?
Speaker 3: Right next Monday, Monday. I'll be gonna I'll be headed
Speaker 3: to the airport.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're not gonna even be back in Dallas by then.
Speaker 3: No, I'm flying.
Speaker 1: So it's me and Nate. I hear maybe Isaiah.
Speaker 3: Oh there you go, all right, all right, And so
Speaker 3: they will chat at you next time on mix Shots
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