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Speaker 1: usual on Wednesday. Not ripping our TV people. No, they won't.
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Speaker 1: twice as long to get here. Yeah, you can't pedal that, yeah,
Speaker 1: just cross, I might have done faster. Have you ever
Speaker 1: come to work on a ten speed no paper out
Speaker 1: as a kid? Oh yeah, okay, there you go. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the ten speen though, it was just an old
Speaker 1: pedal bike. Yeah. Mber, he did the push lawnmower too
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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to football, and I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: move on today. We can talk about how the Cowboys
Speaker 1: can try to shake loose this rut they're inoffensively. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can get back into that. But we're gonna mix
Speaker 1: in some Detroit Lions because they're back to practice today
Speaker 1: here at the Star and Frisco. They are getting ready
Speaker 1: for Detroit Sunday noon kickoff at at and T Stadium.
Speaker 1: And I think it's about time to look at the
Speaker 1: next opponent and see how they can match up with
Speaker 1: those guys Detroit coming off a big win, a huge win,
Speaker 1: their first win of the season, beating the defending AFC
Speaker 1: champion Patriots. I think that shocked everybody. Oh yeah, I honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Mick. I thought they were
Speaker 1: gonna be owing three rolling in here. The Patriots on
Speaker 1: the road usually pretty good, but Patriots saws two in
Speaker 1: a row, by the way, haven't yes, yes, so okay,
Speaker 1: so that puts them where they're at. But one and two, yeah,
Speaker 1: one and two. But you know, with Detroit, there's kind
Speaker 1: of a mixed bag with them. You watched them against
Speaker 1: the Jets, they were awful. You watched them against San Francisco.
Speaker 1: They did make some improvement and then they found Carrie
Speaker 1: on Johnson running the football in that New England game,
Speaker 1: so they had a little bit better balance. But defensively,
Speaker 1: if you want to focus on that, rob mean, what
Speaker 1: they're doing to you that, Because everybody seems to have
Speaker 1: a question about the Cowboys offense and how this is
Speaker 1: a defense Bill talked about. It was a defense that
Speaker 1: had plays very well in pass defense, but they're bad
Speaker 1: against the run, which is funny because they've got some
Speaker 1: really big inside guys. Now here's Matt Patricia, who is
Speaker 1: a you know, supposedly a three to four guy. He
Speaker 1: could play hybrid, you know, four to three, and they
Speaker 1: list him as a four to three team and a
Speaker 1: lot like the Pats. Yeah, a lot like the Pats.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna get but you're gonna get some big
Speaker 1: inside players and they've drafted a couple of them here
Speaker 1: the last couple of years with a Shawn Robinson and
Speaker 1: Sean Hand those two big inside guys they're missing right now.
Speaker 1: And we don't know, Mickey, have you heard anything, I
Speaker 1: know you'd like to read. You read the Detroit Free
Speaker 1: Press that they said anything about Ziggy once at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything confirmed. If he's shoulder problem there,
Speaker 1: he's been out, Yeah, last couple of weeks he's missed
Speaker 1: with a shoulders probably by far the best pass rushing
Speaker 1: by far, the best pass rusher. So yeah, they've they've
Speaker 1: had to kind of work around not having him in carry.
Speaker 1: Hider has been back. He's a guy that you have
Speaker 1: to kind of be a concern with. And then the
Speaker 1: guy they traded for Eli Harrold from San Francisco. So
Speaker 1: they've got some guys that have the ability to rush
Speaker 1: the pasture, but it's those big inside guys. So if
Speaker 1: it's if it's about trying to kind of move some bodies,
Speaker 1: big bodies on big bodies, that's what you're gonna get
Speaker 1: this weekend from this Lions matchup. You know, they're linebacker
Speaker 1: Jeron Davis that was a first round pick in the
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen draft. He's a he's a fine linebacker. He's
Speaker 1: a big linebacker. He's a physical linebacker. He fits in
Speaker 1: what the what you know, that kind of that New
Speaker 1: England system, what they're trying to do in Detroit. He
Speaker 1: can really really run. You better make sure you account
Speaker 1: for him. He's a guy that used on the Blitz
Speaker 1: quite a bit. So cowboys in the passing situations have
Speaker 1: to be aware of twist stunts up front, a lot
Speaker 1: of movement, and then a linebacker like Davis that can
Speaker 1: that can bring a little pressure that way. You know.
Speaker 1: The weird thing about that team is the first two
Speaker 1: games they give up seventy eight points. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: they play Tom Brady and the Patriots and they give
Speaker 1: up ten. Yeah. So I think their offense really help
Speaker 1: helped them in this way. They turned the ball well.
Speaker 1: They also they held the ball for thirty nine minutes
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds. That was running the football. Yeah, they had
Speaker 1: they they really found some balance there. But defensively, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going back to they still have Darius
Speaker 1: Slay out there at corner, Diggs is at safety. Gwinn
Speaker 1: uh uh Glover. Quinn is still that, you know, so
Speaker 1: the safeties are not there, they're they're better. I don't
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say they're great athletes. They're really banger
Speaker 1: kind of guys. If you think about the days of
Speaker 1: Okay having Cavon Frasier play, that's really kind of what
Speaker 1: I look at. You know, Diggs I think is a
Speaker 1: little bit better of a cover guy and with Quinn
Speaker 1: is more of a just come down and hitch you
Speaker 1: kind of guy. So they'll put Digs in more coverage
Speaker 1: than they will Uh Darius Slay still playing at the corner.
Speaker 1: They've got some questions what they're gonna do at nickel.
Speaker 1: They went with this kid named Tabor who was a
Speaker 1: second round pick early in the season, and then now
Speaker 1: they've gone to this Tavon Wilson who they got from
Speaker 1: New England. That's a general manager general managers from New England,
Speaker 1: so probably a guy they picked up there. But there's
Speaker 1: some questions about who will line up and play nickel
Speaker 1: for you there for the for the Lions, So kind
Speaker 1: of keep an eye on that if that means to
Speaker 1: get Cole Beasley kind of back going in, maybe Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin kind of match up some guys that that might
Speaker 1: be a little bit shaky with their with their coverage.
Speaker 1: Mickey said it Tom Brady fourteen to twenty six for
Speaker 1: one thirty three, lowest total since Week seventeen of twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen when he only played one half, missed some throws,
Speaker 1: miscom guys are open. They tried to attack the middle
Speaker 1: of field what I was talking about with they try
Speaker 1: to attack it because of the safety play. The safeties
Speaker 1: are playing deep, and safeties were playing deep because they
Speaker 1: were worried about Grenkowski and they're worried about the deep
Speaker 1: crossing routes. But they were able to get some pressure
Speaker 1: on Brady. They are able to get a little big
Speaker 1: I had to move a little bit, and then it
Speaker 1: kind of made him have to move, and so he
Speaker 1: was making some throws over the middle that they were
Speaker 1: just way way too high, really out of characteristic for
Speaker 1: the types of throws he generally makes. But that just
Speaker 1: shows you, though, a lot of pressure on the Patriots
Speaker 1: because they got down early in this game, like ten
Speaker 1: to nothing, and then and then the Lions just kept
Speaker 1: they stayed in balance, ran their offense. Finally, it looks
Speaker 1: like for Matthew Stafford's sake, looks like they've got a
Speaker 1: legitimate running back now. They haven't really had that since
Speaker 1: a Reggie Bush, if you want to go that far.
Speaker 1: I was at Kyle Field last November when Carrie On
Speaker 1: Johnson shredded my aggies'. He's that type of guy. He
Speaker 1: did that a lot last year For Auburn, they play
Speaker 1: a lot of different backs. I mean that's their thing
Speaker 1: that they're really big on trying to use a lot
Speaker 1: of different backs. But to me, I would just play
Speaker 1: carry on Johnson because he can he can catch the football.
Speaker 1: You know, he's the one guy you could use him
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. Uh, theo Riddics involved. Look, Garrett Blunt,
Speaker 1: I think he's seen his excuse me, I think he's
Speaker 1: seen his better days. So, but I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if you just see a steady diet of Johnson here
Speaker 1: in this football game. So why were they so bad
Speaker 1: against the Jets? I mean, I know Stafford threw four interception.
Speaker 1: Yeah that that that turnovers really bad and plus they
Speaker 1: gotta turnover the first play of the game. Darnold throws it.
Speaker 1: He's sprints to his right and throws the ball all
Speaker 1: the way back across the field, he goes for a
Speaker 1: pick six, but the game was close to a point.
Speaker 1: And then the Jets the turnovers were just too much
Speaker 1: from what I saw with with watching that game. Well,
Speaker 1: they had trouble stopping the run against the Jets too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Crowwell kind of lit them up a little bit.
Speaker 1: And uh yea, they gave up forty eight to the Jets,
Speaker 1: gave up thirty to San Francisco. Yeah, lost both those games.
Speaker 1: And then look, it's the strange, lady nature of this NFL. No,
Speaker 1: that's the team. Yeah, maybe it's the O and two
Speaker 1: teams where two teams did great last week. By the way,
Speaker 1: we all could we all could have retired making money
Speaker 1: bet and the uh the O and two teams last week?
Speaker 1: So you want to go with the O and three
Speaker 1: this week? I think maybe three left Houston, right, it's
Speaker 1: one of them, Houston, Arizona, Houston playing Indie, Is that right?
Speaker 1: Something like that. I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm making
Speaker 1: the third team that I'm trying to keep. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to just pay attention to this team out here. It's
Speaker 1: got figured. They got one win, so they're not dangerous.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Well, yeah, and you mentioned it, Mick. Even
Speaker 1: in this last game against New England, Detroit averaged. They
Speaker 1: gave up four point seven yards per carry to the Pats.
Speaker 1: So I mean, look, maybe there's opportunities for Zeke and
Speaker 1: this game saddle them up. The Cowboys need more than
Speaker 1: forty plays on offense though, that's all New England got.
Speaker 1: They never got in a rhythm. Forty plays. That's extremely,
Speaker 1: extremely low, especially for a Patriots team. How do we
Speaker 1: get this team in a rhythm? Mean, it's where I
Speaker 1: was going between us. How do we get this team
Speaker 1: in a rhythm? Do we have a you know, let's
Speaker 1: try and find some solutions here. You know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm the big proponent of trying to get number ten
Speaker 1: more involved in the fence. I wrote about that yesterday
Speaker 1: and I snapps up again. Yeah, just give me a
Speaker 1: little juice, Give me a little juice running the football,
Speaker 1: are throwing him the football? I'm you know, he you know,
Speaker 1: if Troy Aikman's telling me, this guy's better than just
Speaker 1: a toy player, I'm gonna buy Troy Aikman what he's
Speaker 1: selling there. And I see it myself. I think we
Speaker 1: all see it with our own eyes but if we
Speaker 1: went off of what we saw in Oxnard, we saw
Speaker 1: him line up on the outside and make plays. Well,
Speaker 1: we saw him make a big play in the Giants game.
Speaker 1: I mean he's capable. I mean he made a couple.
Speaker 1: I mean the comeback or out stuff like that. Does
Speaker 1: it it mean? Does it mean can you go no huddle?
Speaker 1: Can you force? Can you force the pace here a
Speaker 1: little bit? I think he is that a I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's if that's the answer, because I used
Speaker 1: so much like a personnel. Yeah, and I kind of
Speaker 1: liked what Zach Martin said yesterday. Yeah, it's like a
Speaker 1: lot of times when you get into ruts, maybe you're
Speaker 1: doing too much, and you pull back and say, okay,
Speaker 1: let's do a little bit very well instead of trying
Speaker 1: to do a lot mediocre. And that's and I know
Speaker 1: that's that's counter what everybody's saying, because it's true enough. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: Well what about just getting back to basics and and
Speaker 1: and doing a better job? Now? That was his point,
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, my time in the NFL
Speaker 1: or my time in college, when you struggled, maybe you
Speaker 1: pull back and just say, okay, let's reduce what we're
Speaker 1: trying to do and make it a little bit simpler
Speaker 1: and do it well. Well, that's to Rob's point yesterday
Speaker 1: about four wide receivers, you know, find your find your
Speaker 1: best for, find what really works, find who ever Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott's comfortable with, and go with that. And I don't
Speaker 1: disagree with Zach Martin. But you're right, Mickey, Uh, you
Speaker 1: know Vick and Ventura is not going to be too
Speaker 1: happy with that. Now. It's gonna be calling us, but
Speaker 1: probably calling Zach Martin right now. What heck are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Vic, And give us a call, by the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not exotic enough. And maybe you're trying to do
Speaker 1: too many things and you're not doing And you know
Speaker 1: the same thing with the receivers. Just what you said,
Speaker 1: Oh let's get them all involved, and you're getting nobody involved. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But what I brought up yesterday though, is like do
Speaker 1: they know yet? Do they know have enough guys separated
Speaker 1: beyond the two that we've talked about. We know Beasley,
Speaker 1: we know we want to get Tavon Austin more involved
Speaker 1: if we're if if we're in charge, but beyond that,
Speaker 1: like I think you brought it up yesterday. Is there
Speaker 1: a lot of separation between the rest of the group,
Speaker 1: Well to say, okay, there there isn't, but maybe you
Speaker 1: create separation by I mean I don't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: didn't bring my game stats. Did anybody have more than
Speaker 1: five targets wide receivers? Who had the most targets of
Speaker 1: the wide receivers? Was it Thompson Beasley? The team was
Speaker 1: eight targets? Seven? Okay? And how many catches? Seven? Seven? After? No,
Speaker 1: hang on after I'm looking at the wrong game book.
Speaker 1: That was you know, I got like Mickey right now,
Speaker 1: I got way too many papers going on. I don't
Speaker 1: have my game and I didn't bring enough. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I just off the top of my head, I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody like Michael Gallup one or four. I think
Speaker 1: three or four. Yea one mistake and it's glaring. And
Speaker 1: if you get eight maybe, okay, you you dismissed the
Speaker 1: one mistake. When you're only getting four, you don't have
Speaker 1: an opportunity. Same thing with Blake Jarwin. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that was one target right turned into a hot potato interception, right,
Speaker 1: you know, So that's what everybody remembers. But if you
Speaker 1: don't get enough opportunities. You know, the who was the
Speaker 1: guy that said he was Was it TiO that he
Speaker 1: was a volume receiver. Yeah, you have to throw him
Speaker 1: a lot of passes to catch a lot, catch a lot.
Speaker 1: That's that's nothing wrong with the volume opportunities. I got it.
Speaker 1: Beasley led all receivers on the Cowboys with five targets
Speaker 1: five three catches. Yeah, there's my point. Swim had the most. No,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Zeke had the most eight three catches. Swam
Speaker 1: seven targets. A lot of short stuff in that game, obviously,
Speaker 1: and some of that's the way Seattle plays. They play
Speaker 1: like Dallas. They try to they try to shrink the field,
Speaker 1: funnel everything inside. Absolutely, but you got to take advantage
Speaker 1: of deep shots when they're there. I mean, ze Seattle targets. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I know you hate and you hate the target rule.
Speaker 1: I mean where they throw aways. I mean I remember
Speaker 1: him dropping one three catches for eleven yards, stepped out
Speaker 1: of bounces, two out of bounds. That doesn't count as
Speaker 1: a target. Yeah, he caught two out of bounds if
Speaker 1: you want to count that. You know that would have
Speaker 1: been and out of bounce on one time, and they
Speaker 1: threw him the ball on the sideline, that's right, and
Speaker 1: that should have been explosive play. The touchdown that got nullified, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that should have been one. But that's not a deep shot.
Speaker 1: That was a sense of where you are? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: See when I first looked at that and I saw
Speaker 1: the play, he ran right past the is the line judge? Yeah,
Speaker 1: whoever the dude is on the line of scrimmage? Right
Speaker 1: the dude, And I said, well, no, wonder he got
Speaker 1: called for it. He probably stepped on the guy's toes.
Speaker 1: But it was ten more yards downfield where he ran
Speaker 1: out of bounds before he caught the ball. So it's like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Yeah, you know, I'm just weird.
Speaker 1: Is it is? It? Really? Is it? The big place
Speaker 1: is that? It's that what's hurting us, the explosive place.
Speaker 1: I think he's just not enough of. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know, I'm asking a question I already
Speaker 1: know the answer to. You need some here and there.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to throw nine routes all
Speaker 1: day long, but you got to be able to do
Speaker 1: what Seattle did. I mean, cowboys trying to shrink the
Speaker 1: field too. But all of a sudden there's a bust
Speaker 1: in Weston Wilson hits a fifty two yard touchdown. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's something you need every now and then, don't
Speaker 1: you think? No, No, I don't disagree with you. I
Speaker 1: can't remember the last time we've seen a receiver catch
Speaker 1: a ball on the move and and really go you
Speaker 1: know that that you know that we've seen, you know,
Speaker 1: the slant routes and stuff. It seems like they catch
Speaker 1: the ball for nine and it's that's it, right, there's
Speaker 1: no there's no extension. You know, and say what you
Speaker 1: want about Dez Bryant. That was a violent runner when
Speaker 1: he caught a slant. You don't get that extra seven, eight, ten,
Speaker 1: fifteen yards that a lot of teams get when they
Speaker 1: throw slants a guy who can break a tackle. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's been a that's been a big problem for them.
Speaker 1: But I also you go back, you know, there's so
Speaker 1: many things, but Mickey's right about the protection. He's been
Speaker 1: saying that from the word go. You know, this offensive
Speaker 1: line has struggled with that. And when when he when
Speaker 1: they struggle, it seems the quarterback struggles, it seems the
Speaker 1: receivers struggle. They can't get everybody playing together. They cannot
Speaker 1: get everything to work right altogether. The finish has been
Speaker 1: just horrendous. You said that Monday morning, and it was
Speaker 1: interesting that Jason Garrett I thought he echoed what you said,
Speaker 1: and you know, a different way. I mean, he said, Look,
Speaker 1: there's not one thing wrong with this offense right now.
Speaker 1: I mean you go back and watch it, and there's
Speaker 1: something different every snap. There's something where you go cod well, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, Mickey's right, the guy goes out of bounds,
Speaker 1: the receiver drops a ball that's well thrown. You know,
Speaker 1: it ends up being an interception. You just can't. This
Speaker 1: team just can't survive any of that stuff. And when
Speaker 1: you and when when those things happen, it it leads
Speaker 1: to the fact that they're converting third downs at twenty
Speaker 1: three point five percent. Yeah. That is just like awful
Speaker 1: second worse than the league, behind only Arizona. It's awful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you can't. You can't win that way, especially when
Speaker 1: it's manageable and they've had some man and now the
Speaker 1: one game, I'm okay, Carolina, we're behind the Chaine. Right
Speaker 1: to me that they weren't that much behind the Chaine,
Speaker 1: not this last not at all. No. I think they
Speaker 1: had maybe six point third downs where it was third
Speaker 1: and five or shorter. Yeah, and I think they only
Speaker 1: got two or three converted. Might be the only three
Speaker 1: they did converted. They caught a huge break on third
Speaker 1: and six with the twelve men on the field penalty
Speaker 1: to make it third and one. This team converts third
Speaker 1: and one in their sleeps handed to Z. But what
Speaker 1: happens they don't block the mic linebacker that that they
Speaker 1: just can't have that. It's just it's it's it's those
Speaker 1: things where it's so fresh. I'm sure that you know
Speaker 1: that Joe and Flower Mount is also disappointed watching the
Speaker 1: game and going, you know, gosh, they just don't do
Speaker 1: any You know, they don't because we're the same way.
Speaker 1: You watch it and we go back and watch it
Speaker 1: again and we're like, oh, man, I didn't notice that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know, you know, and you kind of just
Speaker 1: and you're thinking, Okay, now I understand why they're twenty
Speaker 1: three percent on third down because they just don't. They
Speaker 1: just don't do enough to even give themselves a chance
Speaker 1: to convert and say and then the other thing is
Speaker 1: is everybody makes a mistake. All teams make mistakes. They
Speaker 1: have plays, but you have to be good enough to
Speaker 1: overcome your mistakes. And they're not there yet. No, I
Speaker 1: don't know if they get there. You know sometimes on
Speaker 1: defense they're over there. It's they can overcome their mistakes,
Speaker 1: except when you don't cover a guy on a fifty
Speaker 1: two yard touchdown past. You know, that's kind of hard
Speaker 1: to overcome. Absolutely. Hey, guys, by the way, too, if
Speaker 1: you go back to the lines real quick. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough to sacked Stafford this week. I
Speaker 1: really do. Why that he gets the ball out of
Speaker 1: his hands so quick. I mean, it's something I was
Speaker 1: watching Mickey just made me think of that with with
Speaker 1: the way they play the receivers, you know, with a
Speaker 1: bunch formations and stuff, and they scatter and the ball,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's coming out of there in a hurry. There.
Speaker 1: The only way that I think the Cowboys sacked this
Speaker 1: sack him is if in fact that there's a mistake
Speaker 1: on the outside or they get him, they get him
Speaker 1: to hold the football. I just don't. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go into this game thinking, okay, pass rush,
Speaker 1: pass rush, pass rush, because Stafford's not gonna let you
Speaker 1: rush rush him, that will and they're not gonna let
Speaker 1: you come after him that well, So be careful. This
Speaker 1: might be one of those games with a secondary's really
Speaker 1: gonna have to hold up, you know, for them to
Speaker 1: get any type of pressure. Are you gonna have to
Speaker 1: force a jailbreak? Like if you blitz, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: got it. It can't be a blitz coming from five
Speaker 1: yards back. It's got to be linebacker up the middle
Speaker 1: that no one blocks. Yeah, there there's your there's your
Speaker 1: off the slot. There's your Jaialen Smith. For sure, there's
Speaker 1: your jail smith. And you know they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: get vander Esh used to come in that way, but
Speaker 1: they'll get him there. They'll get him there. Probably steady
Speaker 1: diet of LVE since Sean Lee likely not to play
Speaker 1: in this game. Not sure exactly how long he's gonna
Speaker 1: be out, but I would think that this week is
Speaker 1: very doubtful. History will tell you three yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: especially when you've reinjured something. Now, apparently this is the
Speaker 1: other hamstring, the one that bothered him last year and
Speaker 1: had him sideline multiple games, not the one that he
Speaker 1: had a little tightness in a week ago. But it's
Speaker 1: just it's a recurring deal and we know how it
Speaker 1: is with soft tissue stuff. So linebackers got to step
Speaker 1: up in this game. They got they got the guys
Speaker 1: to step up though. Yeah, they've got they've got the bodies.
Speaker 1: They've got talent enough bodies. It's just not okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna throw numbers at him. They can throw numbers at
Speaker 1: him with quality there. So that's one of those positions
Speaker 1: you actually feel pretty if you lost a tight end,
Speaker 1: you'd be going, well, who's gonna you know, who's gonna
Speaker 1: step up here? You know that's well, they've got positions
Speaker 1: that They've got some positions where the quality of the
Speaker 1: position is not as good as let me see you.
Speaker 1: I say one more thing real quick, Mcam sorry port
Speaker 1: Jeff Swain in this regard, he is getting so beat
Speaker 1: up having a run block. You know, if you're asking
Speaker 1: him to make plays down the field, I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be difficult for him because he is in
Speaker 1: a train wreck every single time he has to block.
Speaker 1: I mean he does. He's not big enough, he's not
Speaker 1: strong enough. But he will fight to the bitter end.
Speaker 1: Yeah he will. He's just he gets beat up a lot,
Speaker 1: and I think that affects his ability to get down
Speaker 1: the field and make plays. And if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then Blake Charwin and those guys need to step up
Speaker 1: and help as well. If we have to take a break,
Speaker 1: we do. How was he going to talk about the
Speaker 1: ramifications of leaning not being in the game. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: do that. We've got one caller waiting two on the
Speaker 1: other side. Let's grab that when we come back, and
Speaker 1: then we'll get to Mickey's comments on the other side
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Speaker 1: com Forward slash Cowboys. Kind of swerving on the road there, Mick, Well,
Speaker 1: you'll do better next time. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: swerving on the road this morning. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: back on the road. Anthony and Miami. You're up first
Speaker 1: on talking Cowboys. Help us out. What's on your mind? Hey,
Speaker 1: how y'all guys doing it? We're great. Thanks. Hey, I'd
Speaker 1: like to say something. I have two comments economic that's
Speaker 1: opening statement. Besides cowboy media and our fans, the hate
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, the dislike this thing, and the real
Speaker 1: listening when we're doing bad is real. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to put that out. There is no question commentators say,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's just real. But anyway, my worry
Speaker 1: is I've always been a dack. Apologies. I think I've
Speaker 1: talked to Make one time a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: on hanging with the boys or something. He kind of
Speaker 1: agree with me on some things. So I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get off that. But I have two worries the health
Speaker 1: of Sean Lee and Lawrence Man. As it appears to
Speaker 1: me they're declining a little bit, like moving forward and
Speaker 1: the fact of signing our own free agents. Not the
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas thing. I'm talking about guys like DeMarcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: maybe a Barron Jones who after that fifth year thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe you can help me out brought
Speaker 1: us with that. Um, I think it's time to sign
Speaker 1: him now, actually or whatever? Can we lose those guys?
Speaker 1: Do you think because you know, if I'm losing or
Speaker 1: something like that, because of that attitude or whatever, they
Speaker 1: might not be willing to sign with the Cowboys. I'll
Speaker 1: go here and listen to you guys on that. Thanks
Speaker 1: for the call. I don't quite understand the question. No,
Speaker 1: he's asking. He's saying he'd like to sign Lawrence and
Speaker 1: Byron Jones if he could, He'd like to You liked it.
Speaker 1: He's worried that the fact that the Cowboys are not
Speaker 1: playing well enough and there might be some change, you know,
Speaker 1: going forward, and we again, we got to play the
Speaker 1: season out and see what happens. But he's worried about
Speaker 1: you know, do you try and get these guys done
Speaker 1: now or did they just say, you know what, We're
Speaker 1: gonna wait and see what happens with the team at
Speaker 1: the end of the year. See. I think that's why
Speaker 1: you don't go crazy signing toys that maybe are as
Speaker 1: portent as keeping your own guys like DeMarcus Lawrence. And
Speaker 1: if Byron Jones continues to play the way he has, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want him back, sure, sure, you want him back, Now,
Speaker 1: what's the market value? And you know the same thing
Speaker 1: that happened with Hitchens. You let him go out and
Speaker 1: test it and you found out, oh, somebody valued him
Speaker 1: financially a lot more than than we did. You know,
Speaker 1: give him a five year, forty five million deal with
Speaker 1: fourteen million guaranteed. And you're sitting there going, well, I
Speaker 1: can't do that because I've got all these other things
Speaker 1: I gotta take care of. So yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: why you don't go crazy and say, well, I got
Speaker 1: salary cap money, now I can spend it. Well, do
Speaker 1: you have it next year in the year after that?
Speaker 1: That's what you have to look down the road. App
Speaker 1: Can I ask a question I'll try and give an
Speaker 1: answer to with this question? Do you think this? Do
Speaker 1: you think this? The spending of the offensive line was premature?
Speaker 1: Is that something that's gonna hamstring them Mickey for coming contracts?
Speaker 1: I mean, if for Lawrence or for a Jones. I
Speaker 1: mean I understand trying to do Smith. I understand trying
Speaker 1: to do Martin Frederick. You know, but you got three guys.
Speaker 1: Should the thought had been one guy? Should the guy
Speaker 1: have been two guys? It's a lot sided up in
Speaker 1: one position. But they you know, they originally did it
Speaker 1: because they had Tony Romo and they wanted he mentioned Smith, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he mentioned Smith. He signed that one years ago, didn't
Speaker 1: long that was a long, long term deal. Yeah, Martin's
Speaker 1: the only one. I mean, you're weren't going to let
Speaker 1: him go right whatever? To No? Uh, I thought Frederick's
Speaker 1: was a reasonable one. Right. And when when they signed Smith,
Speaker 1: it was like it was such a long deal, it
Speaker 1: was so spread out that I don't know that hamstrung
Speaker 1: you and they when they really did Leo Collins, he
Speaker 1: didn't get a heck of a lot. Sure, and it
Speaker 1: is a lot of money in one area of your
Speaker 1: second round pick doesn't get a heck of a lot, right,
Speaker 1: So see, I'm just I'm just wondering about and again,
Speaker 1: they all have money to do what they need to
Speaker 1: do next year. Okay. If that's the case, then do
Speaker 1: do you feel like do you feel like that? Do
Speaker 1: you feel like that? I agree with you, by the
Speaker 1: way everything you said, I agree. Uh. You feel like though,
Speaker 1: that with the they'll be able to Well I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think about this. Does it make more sense to
Speaker 1: go for one or the other. That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I mean, do you go for the pass rusher or
Speaker 1: do you go for the guy that can cover? If
Speaker 1: you had to do one and you say maybe, Mickey,
Speaker 1: you're right. I'm not going to dispute what you're saying.
Speaker 1: But if you think you have enough money to do both,
Speaker 1: I know that's always an option. This crew figures out
Speaker 1: ways to do. But if you if you had to
Speaker 1: do one, which way would you go? I think I
Speaker 1: would lean towards the pass rushers. But the pass rusher
Speaker 1: is going to cost you north of probably seventeen million?
Speaker 1: Am I right about that? Mickey? Probably? And the corner
Speaker 1: is going to cost you siwhere prim in between eight
Speaker 1: and ten you have to be Yeah, and again which
Speaker 1: one you don't want to find a chance? The pass
Speaker 1: rusher because you don't have anybody to take a spot.
Speaker 1: See you thought maybe that, Randy Gray, But you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't hope, you can't do that. You can't do that. Which,
Speaker 1: by the way, we got a little more. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was accidental clarity on his penalty. Evidently
Speaker 1: they were talking to him the old the whole game, okay,
Speaker 1: making fun of him. They drew him off side, and
Speaker 1: he finally said enough, He finally busted. Yeah, he said enough.
Speaker 1: I think Crawford mentioned it. They were in his ear
Speaker 1: the whole game. He said. It wasn't just one thing,
Speaker 1: he said, they were really going after but off the
Speaker 1: field stuff. And so that's my assumption that makes sense.
Speaker 1: He'd had enough. Still, man, gosh, just hold yourself together there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not worth it, you know. But but you know,
Speaker 1: and I told I told I guess I could say this, right,
Speaker 1: I was telling Rob yesterday. When we were in high school.
Speaker 1: You know, our football team, our enrollment in our high
Speaker 1: school was twenty five percent African Americans. Sure, we played
Speaker 1: in my sophomore year some all white teams. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And the head coach, it's tough for the games, would
Speaker 1: point out, they're gonna use words that you don't want
Speaker 1: to hear. But you better control yourself. You just play harder,
Speaker 1: don't react. That's fair. And that was that was the
Speaker 1: message before those games. And you know, I know what
Speaker 1: you know what happens on a football trust me, right
Speaker 1: and all the sports. I mean, it's it happens in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and you know, and it's one of those
Speaker 1: it's it's and there's no there's no boundaries, right, no
Speaker 1: boundaries everything. Everything's game. It's extremely competitive and whatever it
Speaker 1: takes to get an edge. Sometimes there's lines crossed and
Speaker 1: that's that's a huge fishing yards. But again on that
Speaker 1: on my finishing my point, yes, better off, but no, no,
Speaker 1: you're okay, better off finding better easily to find Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, someone like that as opposed to finding another
Speaker 1: Do you feel do you feel okay? Just talk about
Speaker 1: backups real quick? Yeah? You feel better about Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: and Jordan Lewis as potential starters for Byron Jones? Or
Speaker 1: do you feel better about Taco Charlton being that you're
Speaker 1: starter at left defensive end? That's that's what to avoid it.
Speaker 1: I have to see more. I like what Taco's done
Speaker 1: so far. Yeah, he has not shown that he's DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I although they're both Marquis positions, I think the
Speaker 1: pass rusher in this game is more in this day
Speaker 1: and age is more value. I don't disagree with what
Speaker 1: you guys are saying. I gotta have the war daddy,
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and it's gonna cost me north. I know
Speaker 1: it's gonna cost me North to seventeen. I just know that.
Speaker 1: And you could franchise him again, but I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody's happy doing that. So I think that I think
Speaker 1: things would be a lot worse for him. I think
Speaker 1: he accepted this one, right. I don't think you might
Speaker 1: have a situation that happened with it's going on in
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh right now. He wants, he wants a long term security.
Speaker 1: Everybody does. Yeah, well he's got to have now. And
Speaker 1: if you franchise him, it's not what the franchise tag is.
Speaker 1: He's got to have. What is it's I thought it was.
Speaker 1: It's an incredible more than what he made exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So you're looking at North of seventeen again, so you're
Speaker 1: looking at in the twenty in the twenties. Yeah, to me,
Speaker 1: I man that I think you have to if you
Speaker 1: gave me a choice, you said, between him and Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: I'm signing the defensive end. And I love what Byron
Speaker 1: Jones has done through for three weeks. I think he's
Speaker 1: the one guy that has bought in completely to what
Speaker 1: is going on in that secondary. You know. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a different technique. Yeah, Chris Richard's asking him to play,
Speaker 1: and I think it goes with his game so far. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now we're going to find out, oh, this weekend, this
Speaker 1: is the best quarterback Dave played. That's right. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: rodn Arronelli said something interesting last week. He said, you know,
Speaker 1: asked about would you ever consider moving him back to safety?
Speaker 1: And he said, he's an a player where he is
Speaker 1: right now, you move him again, That probably dips a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, Like that's they feel like this is
Speaker 1: his spot, and especially in this style that Richard is
Speaker 1: bringing here. Yeah, I think that's. I think that's clear
Speaker 1: that he, like I said, he's the one guy that
Speaker 1: really has bought into Hey this is you know, I
Speaker 1: need to play this way. I'm going to play the technique.
Speaker 1: And you know he's he's it's shown that he's how
Speaker 1: much he really does care. A good question by the
Speaker 1: way by the guy from was it Miami? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: good call, good call. Keep keep those calls coming. Two
Speaker 1: nine seven. Back to the defense, Mick, you had a
Speaker 1: Sean Lee discussion. Comes So I think they're much more
Speaker 1: prepared from a physical standpoint to play without Sean Lee
Speaker 1: because we know what happened last year. Absolutely it was
Speaker 1: Owen six in the games that he either didn't play
Speaker 1: or didn't finish. Um, my concern is somebody, Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: has to step up and take over the leadership role, right,
Speaker 1: Somebody has to help make the adjustments, help get everybody
Speaker 1: lined up. And I don't know that you can put
Speaker 1: a value on how much Sean Lee does that. So
Speaker 1: I wrote about that yesterday. The communication aspect alone. Part
Speaker 1: of it is the play, but a lot of it
Speaker 1: is just him being out there letting everybody know here's
Speaker 1: what's going to happen before it happens. The instinctual player,
Speaker 1: and I don't think Lv's he can play. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's ready to take that on. So now Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith has to step up and be that guy he's had.
Speaker 1: He's had really three years in the system now it
Speaker 1: played for but because he diagnosed things as well as
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, that's what you lose. I think when he's
Speaker 1: not in there, that's what worries me. You lose that
Speaker 1: third and three and they run the waggle and everybody's
Speaker 1: flying out of there and Shaun Lee just on his
Speaker 1: own just goes flying through the B gap and makes
Speaker 1: a tackle for the loss of four, you know, like
Speaker 1: it happened in the I remember this in the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: game one year where they they try and run. They're
Speaker 1: trying to run a play where Carson wentz that he
Speaker 1: runs the waggle of the boot and he gets the outside.
Speaker 1: They are a flip or something where all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the plays going sideways. Chaun Lee makes a tackle and
Speaker 1: it knocks him out of field goal range. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of That's what you're probably gonna miss
Speaker 1: right there. I always ask for you know, I was
Speaker 1: trying to get Mickey to trade for for that guy
Speaker 1: in Seattle. I was trying to get him to trade
Speaker 1: for him, and and but because I wanted somebody to
Speaker 1: help when this all broke down, I wonder if Chris
Speaker 1: Rochard is the guy to hold this team together, to
Speaker 1: hold this defense together. And the only reason I thought
Speaker 1: about it was is because I remember the sideline rant
Speaker 1: he hadn't it in preseason where he had everybody around
Speaker 1: him in the second half the game, the backups weren't
Speaker 1: doing very well and he just went off. I mean,
Speaker 1: he went off on everybody on that bench. And when
Speaker 1: at Kinston a great job this is producing on the
Speaker 1: fly right here. I'm sorry if you're not watching this today,
Speaker 1: but this is what I'm talking about. That is that
Speaker 1: is that my guy holding this thing together for Sean
Speaker 1: Lee from an accountability standpoint. I you know, I asked
Speaker 1: you guys the other day, who's the most important you know,
Speaker 1: with Sean Lee being out, who's the one guy that's
Speaker 1: going to make everybody accountable for the for the how
Speaker 1: they played defense? And I wonder if that guy that
Speaker 1: we just saw on the screen again, I'm sorry, as
Speaker 1: Chris Rashard just losing his mind on the sidelines, but
Speaker 1: is that the guy that you know? Okay you is?
Speaker 1: Mickey said, yeah, you need you need those linebackers to
Speaker 1: play well, but you also need somebody else to kind
Speaker 1: of make sure that everybody's playing well. Is that? Am I?
Speaker 1: Am I stretching now? Am I stretching it there? Or
Speaker 1: am I? And there's only really two guys that I
Speaker 1: think have enough cred on the defense to do that.
Speaker 1: Crawford maybe Crawford DeMarcus Lawrence. And DeMarcus Lawrence can be
Speaker 1: a little more out spoken than you know, but again,
Speaker 1: it has to be somebody that's on the field playing playing,
Speaker 1: not a rotation, you know, and they take DeMarcus out
Speaker 1: and then bring them in, and same thing with Crawford.
Speaker 1: You know, I think you're right. I think you both
Speaker 1: are right. I just don't know if Jalen Smith has
Speaker 1: got that perceptible doing that. Maybe this it would be
Speaker 1: a great question for him, you know, asking hey listen,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, leadership role, and so sometimes I
Speaker 1: gets what's the identity of the team, you know that question.
Speaker 1: The guys in the secondary are all kind of still
Speaker 1: trying to make their way. See that's why like Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas to me, makes sense for that for that perspective.
Speaker 1: But maybe it's not Earl Thomas. Maybe it's Earl Thomas's
Speaker 1: former coach, that's the one that every time they come
Speaker 1: off the field that he's in somebody's face about, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what we gotta do this, you got to
Speaker 1: you gotta hold this together, you gotta you know, because
Speaker 1: Sean Lee was kind of the guy. But to your
Speaker 1: guys point, the person on the players on the field
Speaker 1: are the ones. Ultimately they're gonna be the ones to
Speaker 1: you know, make the plays and be accountable for what.
Speaker 1: Neither of the neither none of the safeties. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think they have the personality, neither one of
Speaker 1: the yell and scream. The corners aren't going to do
Speaker 1: it right. They got enough problems on their own on
Speaker 1: the outside. I mean, it has to be one of
Speaker 1: the linebackers and you know, or the defensive tackle or
Speaker 1: the tackle. Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe he has to
Speaker 1: be the guy. But but somebody's and it's not yelling
Speaker 1: and screaming, it's right, just making sure everybody knows what
Speaker 1: they're doing, diagnosing things. Yeah, and yeah, I'm with Brian
Speaker 1: because Mickey talks about this like there's a playbook of
Speaker 1: reporter questions to ask sure leaderships one of them and accountability.
Speaker 1: But tv TV loves the what's the identity of the
Speaker 1: team coach? You know, and you're like, oh, god, dang
Speaker 1: what we're scrambling to save our butts from being bitten off?
Speaker 1: But how many times have we seen it? Though? With
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, if he's been out the defense falls apart,
Speaker 1: it's a valid question. And so you know, was he
Speaker 1: on the field when the when the protection broke down
Speaker 1: on the one touchdown pass the second I don't think
Speaker 1: he gotten hurt yet that he was when they went
Speaker 1: on the long drive. He missed some of them. He
Speaker 1: missed the long drive they had in the second half.
Speaker 1: But I think he was out already in the second quarter.
Speaker 1: They had taken him out. I think I would see
Speaker 1: when I saw his helmet not in his hand. The
Speaker 1: first thing I thought it was concussion because he'll wear
Speaker 1: his helmet on the flat. When I thought they if
Speaker 1: they've taken his helmet, I'm thinking concussion. And then you
Speaker 1: reported Robert wrote from the press box that that he
Speaker 1: had the hamstring problem. And I'm like, going, okay, this
Speaker 1: is concussion. You could kind of and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to play with somebody's brain, but concussion you can kind
Speaker 1: of say protocol one day, two days, three days, Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: he's okay, ready to go. But these hamstring with Sean
Speaker 1: Lee is just we we know it's it's gonna be
Speaker 1: something that's going to cost himself. It's going to be
Speaker 1: at least I've bet two games. We're going yeah, and
Speaker 1: I and I was told that, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to be more conservative this time. That's always the
Speaker 1: way when it happens again, and you can't listen to
Speaker 1: him to force himself back on the field. Can they
Speaker 1: be any more conservative with him? And that's the thing,
Speaker 1: and that's the shame. They're just saying, Hey, Sean, they have,
Speaker 1: but they might have rushed him back this time. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they rushed him or he rushed himself
Speaker 1: back with the opposite. Because it's hard to test a hamstring,
Speaker 1: isn't it. You gotta kind of stand Yeah, But I mean,
Speaker 1: here's a guy who brings his own bed on the road,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, basically, he does everything he can
Speaker 1: to get ready. They kind of bubble wrapped him in preseason.
Speaker 1: It's just it's unfortunately, something he's his body deals with
Speaker 1: now as he's moved on through his career. And it's
Speaker 1: both hamstrings, unfortunately that he's had to deal with. It's
Speaker 1: not just one. And it's not something you go in
Speaker 1: and surgically fix, yeah, unless it's torn. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: don't think it's to that ox now, I don't. But
Speaker 1: that's the reason why they spend a first round draft
Speaker 1: pick on a lineback. Absolutely, And that's what they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do continuency wise this week. See and I
Speaker 1: and I you know, if you follow along in the
Speaker 1: Draft show. We talked a lot about DJ Moore, we
Speaker 1: talked a lot about Calvin Ridley, we talked about all
Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, those would have been great picks, but they,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, did the right thing. Knowing the situation
Speaker 1: with Sean Lee, like Mickey said, they were oh in
Speaker 1: six and games that he didn't what didn't finish or
Speaker 1: was not a part of you have to you can't
Speaker 1: let your defense fall apart like that, And they did
Speaker 1: the right And I think this guy can play. And
Speaker 1: I think the more he plays, the better he plays.
Speaker 1: I think we've seen that, and I'll be interested to
Speaker 1: see because thirty three snaps that was the most he's
Speaker 1: played so far in the first three games. How much
Speaker 1: that helps him going into this game because we see
Speaker 1: his ability, his lateral movement and and maybe what Brian
Speaker 1: was saying about how they like to get the ball
Speaker 1: out quick and you know, okay, well you need somebody
Speaker 1: to close on that stuffquickly. He seems to do that quickly,
Speaker 1: So be interesting to see what if he takes the
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Speaker 1: don't be Bill Jones. I'll have to do that tonight quickly.
Speaker 1: One roster move yesterday or a couple actually. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: played Dayton Jones, defensive tackle on injured reserve. He was
Speaker 1: coming off a knee injury in the game string had
Speaker 1: a hamstring in the game. Had a knee injury early
Speaker 1: in the season. Karen read his back. They liked him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: had a nice preseason finale showing a couple of games
Speaker 1: he played pretty well for him. Just getting him off
Speaker 1: the street. So no one picked him up. No, he's
Speaker 1: a five year guy. So I'm surprised nobody gave him
Speaker 1: a shot, but boy, he was super active. Now they
Speaker 1: gotta figure out what they're gonna do because I don't
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's gonna play the one because that's
Speaker 1: what they use with Dayton Jones. Now because remember next week,
Speaker 1: yes you know, and they have to make a roster move. Yea,
Speaker 1: they have to make a roster at him eligible to play.
Speaker 1: But for this week at least, you know, MALIEK. Collins status,
Speaker 1: we're not sure if he can get back. This week,
Speaker 1: he was on the field working with the associate athletic
Speaker 1: trainer Britt Brown day hopefully to trying to get closer.
Speaker 1: He traditionally doesn't miss games, but he missed one last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he usually plays three. That was his first one. That's
Speaker 1: his first one. Yeah, you're talking about an MCL. Those
Speaker 1: can be kind of hamstring type things. Multi deals. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's usually two to four right, yeah, right, So we'll
Speaker 1: see you on his status as well. Jason Garrett's coming
Speaker 1: up in about fifteen minutes live on Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com after our show. For guys like us, it's three butts.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, Boots and yeah, all that kind of stuff, right, Crutch,
Speaker 1: All right, let's go back to the phone lines and
Speaker 1: visit with our good friend coach John and Lufkin. It's
Speaker 1: been a long time since you joined us, coach, welcome back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a long time times. I can get out, oh we
Speaker 1: need more line that means that kind of means business
Speaker 1: is good for us. But it's still good to hear
Speaker 1: from you. Yeah, thank you. I wanted to say, I'm
Speaker 1: not as worried about the offense of a lot of
Speaker 1: people saying to be by need to get this kind
Speaker 1: of a round pretty soon. But the problem is not talent.
Speaker 1: You can't fix talent. The problem is execution and mental mistakes,
Speaker 1: and that can be fixed. Now they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: fix in a hurry. But that's what I wanted to say. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: appreciate the call. Coach. Oh, Darney hung up. I was
Speaker 1: going to ask him about the offensive line, but he's
Speaker 1: got a good point. I mean, just think of the
Speaker 1: plays we talked about. Had they been right, you know,
Speaker 1: have they not made mistakes? Somebody picks up Bobby Wagner, No,
Speaker 1: one step out of bounds, don't drop a ball. Those
Speaker 1: things just change everything. So dramatically, you know, and even
Speaker 1: I mean this didn't affect the offense directly. But if
Speaker 1: if you don't get the BS roughing the passer call
Speaker 1: on the first series, they're punting from the end zone, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're going to get the ball at the fifty
Speaker 1: yard line instead of them punning at the fo forty
Speaker 1: nine in getting the ball at what five ten? It
Speaker 1: just changed one play like that just changes so much.
Speaker 1: I use the example of Byron Jones on the you
Speaker 1: know at that hole, the whole that was a thirty
Speaker 1: three yards wasn't a good hold. Please tell me he
Speaker 1: held him. He got knocked down, He got really run over,
Speaker 1: is what happened. So you know it's on the opposite
Speaker 1: side of the field, No need to do that. And
Speaker 1: you're right, make you even just fair catch these things.
Speaker 1: But if you got Tavon Austin back there, why not
Speaker 1: give it a go? I understand that was thirty three
Speaker 1: yards of field position right there, and that's think about
Speaker 1: this team just trying to get thirty three yards on
Speaker 1: a drive, you know exactly, that's three first downs at
Speaker 1: the right they're going so in anything, you know, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think coach is right you know, we
Speaker 1: pass a lot of blame, a lot of judgment. I'm
Speaker 1: guilty of that, I really am. Stop talking about. But
Speaker 1: also but I also know that the execution the finish
Speaker 1: has just been horrendous, horrendous for them this year. You know,
Speaker 1: And there was some defense you saw with the defense
Speaker 1: didn't finish the other day. Give up, they give up
Speaker 1: two bad plays. But other times, you know, that's but
Speaker 1: in a game, that's sometimes that's all it takes. Yes,
Speaker 1: these games are so those were really two evenly matched
Speaker 1: teams the other day. It's just that one team had
Speaker 1: had better breaks in the way the way it worked
Speaker 1: out for him. There were a couple of picks off
Speaker 1: tip balls, tip ball picks. You're talking about a guy
Speaker 1: going out of bounds, you talking about a drop, you know,
Speaker 1: you talk all these kinds of things, you know, busting coverage.
Speaker 1: You know, they busted the coverage of the guy wheeling
Speaker 1: out of the Backford pro sides for nineteen yards. And
Speaker 1: that play and then the next play where they do
Speaker 1: they hit you with a dagger down the middle, you know,
Speaker 1: with in a single high look. So they blitzed on
Speaker 1: that play. Yeah, did they get caught or was somebody
Speaker 1: supposed to peel off because there were no linebackers. And
Speaker 1: it was funny, Mickey, because when I wrote about it
Speaker 1: on Sunday night, I thought that maybe it was one
Speaker 1: of those fire zone bits where they blitzed the inside
Speaker 1: linebackers through the A gaps and then they dropped the end,
Speaker 1: which just means it was Lawrence. But when you go
Speaker 1: back and watch it, they were in that special front
Speaker 1: where they had Lawrence at tackle and on the outside
Speaker 1: of him as Taco, And so now you're thinking, and
Speaker 1: here they are there, they're Russian linebackers. They've got Taco
Speaker 1: playing the left defensive end, they got Lawrence playing inside
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle, and Procis is in a wing. And
Speaker 1: as soon as they as soon as they as Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson saw the blitz inside, he knew exactly where he
Speaker 1: was going with the football, and everybody else was in
Speaker 1: man coverage line. There was no linebackers there, and it
Speaker 1: might have been one of those things where they, you know,
Speaker 1: give them credit for calling the right play. It's like
Speaker 1: got you, yeah, and they led it up, they dialed
Speaker 1: it up and it worked. That was their answer for
Speaker 1: the blitz. You know, get the ball out quick they
Speaker 1: you know, and nobody was there to make up for
Speaker 1: the and some I'm thinking, okay to Taco, not drop
Speaker 1: in the fire zone, you know, but we've seen him
Speaker 1: blitz everybody and just take a chance on getting on.
Speaker 1: That's that's a bad break right there, because if you
Speaker 1: get home, maybe he doesn't get the ball out to
Speaker 1: that game. Because Taco came free. Yeah he did. As
Speaker 1: I remember, Taco was trying to run. Looked like Mickey
Speaker 1: a twist, looked that they were trying. He was going
Speaker 1: down inside. He came inside, but lords didn't move. So
Speaker 1: now it made me think, oh, Taco, Tacco, you find
Speaker 1: it busted a couple there, Yeah, because the linebackers couldn't
Speaker 1: get there and safeties were too far away. Everybody was
Speaker 1: in man carriage on the back end. Yeah. So but
Speaker 1: that's you know, okay, you got me, yea. You know,
Speaker 1: they need to dial up some gotchas on their own office. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe dial up some some takeaways. You can't dial
Speaker 1: those up. Sometimes you got to be in the right spot,
Speaker 1: like Earl Thomas was a couple of times in the game.
Speaker 1: That's one reason why he is as great of a
Speaker 1: player as he is. For Seattle, sure, but they've had
Speaker 1: some chances in the first three games. No pick yet.
Speaker 1: I think a couple of fumble recoveries. Talking about you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, thirty three yards makes a big difference,
Speaker 1: A short field makes a big difference for this offense.
Speaker 1: Right now, Well, yeah it is. We talked about the
Speaker 1: thirty three yards and what happened. You give them five
Speaker 1: more back your balls on the nine yard line and
Speaker 1: then and then you get the tight end jumps off side.
Speaker 1: So now you lose. Now, now you've lost thirty seven
Speaker 1: yards a field position, you know, because of the half
Speaker 1: of the distance to the goal. But yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: it's it's unfortunate the turnovers. I think the turnovers will
Speaker 1: come as long as they could keep the pressure up.
Speaker 1: You know, you just haven't. Eli Manning didn't. I was
Speaker 1: surprised he didn't throw you at least two. You know,
Speaker 1: he's always good for two interceptions a game. You know,
Speaker 1: this cat, I don't know. I mean he now the
Speaker 1: last time they played here, they got after him pretty well.
Speaker 1: But I think this is a different team they like,
Speaker 1: I say, they have more balance. The receivers, I think
Speaker 1: are the way they run them with the bunch formation
Speaker 1: stuff make you have to chase you know if I
Speaker 1: don't know if you'll get turnovers from this guy, but
Speaker 1: if you do, man, it'll be a huge bonus. But
Speaker 1: he threw, he threw several game and maybe he got
Speaker 1: him all out of his system. But you know they
Speaker 1: passes down the field too. Yeah. Yeah, some of them
Speaker 1: were like, huh, well you did what. Hopefully you continue
Speaker 1: the pressure because I think if you keep the pressure up,
Speaker 1: you keep the blitzing up, you'll get some interceptions. You
Speaker 1: will get some interceptions. What you got, Mick, I was
Speaker 1: gonna look up what their turnover deal was? Who the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: No Detroit, Detroit. I mean, I know they had the four,
Speaker 1: But what happened in the other Oh, it should be
Speaker 1: in this little stat right here, turnover margin Lions minus
Speaker 1: four tied for thirty first in the NFL. Right now,
Speaker 1: Cowboys or minus two. Either they didn't get any or
Speaker 1: they haven't made anymore. The first four I don't remember
Speaker 1: looking at any on tape that were any Yeah, they
Speaker 1: had a oh other than the first game that they
Speaker 1: had to pick six. Yeah, that was the only the
Speaker 1: only one I remember seeing that was that was a
Speaker 1: turnover someone through them, So we'll see good comes the game.
Speaker 1: It will. I mean again, I think you look at
Speaker 1: this early and I think it's probably evenly matched. Both
Speaker 1: both tasks have strengths and weaknesses, and you know who
Speaker 1: plays the more efficient football game. We'll find out on Sunday.
Speaker 1: What's the line? I don't know. I don't worry about
Speaker 1: those I don't either, but it just occurred to me.
Speaker 1: We're all we can now, bet can't we not us?
Speaker 1: Not us that everybody out there listening, Ken, Yeah, let
Speaker 1: us know and and keep hearing from us or you know,
Speaker 1: calling us in this week. We've got a few more days,
Speaker 1: two more days of talking cowboys to break this thing down. Bill,
Speaker 1: we'll be back tomorrow and we'll have another good show.
Speaker 1: Let's go in there and see if he's working. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he is. He's a busy He's a busy
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