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Speaker 1: Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. What's up. Welcome

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Speaker 1: inside the s WBC Morning Studio. This is Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, joined as always by Mickey Spagnola, who's just

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Speaker 1: Sonny was the Yeah, Sonny was thank you. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: the World Billiards Finals. I don't know which one. You're well,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you would be surprised how many Mafia people were

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Speaker 1: residing in Chicago Heights, Illinois. Okay, yeah, way back in

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Speaker 1: the day hunts. Yeah, that's we could do a whole

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Speaker 1: show about that. We really could. Parcels used to send

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. I'd have to go visit. We can go

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Speaker 1: back into prohibition. How they were making wine in the basements. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: really good wine at that time. Brian brought us welcome in.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate that. KENK. Garrison producing as always, and

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Speaker 1: Bill Jones might join us during the show. He's got

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Speaker 1: some TV obligations. They'll never start on time as per

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Speaker 1: But no, the traffic it was awful this morning. Me

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Speaker 1: twice as long to get here. Yeah, you can't pedal that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Hopscotch mode, hot kid. Sorry, are you dropping a hint? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to football, and I think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: move on today. We can talk about how the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: can try to shake loose this rut they're inoffensively. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can get back into that. But we're gonna mix

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Speaker 1: in some Detroit Lions because they're back to practice today

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Speaker 1: here at the Star and Frisco. They are getting ready

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Speaker 1: for Detroit Sunday noon kickoff at at and T Stadium.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's about time to look at the

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Speaker 1: next opponent and see how they can match up with

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Speaker 1: those guys Detroit coming off a big win, a huge win,

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Speaker 1: their first win of the season, beating the defending AFC

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Speaker 1: champion Patriots. I think that shocked everybody. Oh yeah, I honestly,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Mick. I thought they were

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Speaker 1: gonna be owing three rolling in here. The Patriots on

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Speaker 1: the road usually pretty good, but Patriots saws two in

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Speaker 1: a row, by the way, haven't yes, yes, so okay,

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Speaker 1: so that puts them where they're at. But one and two, yeah,

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Speaker 1: one and two. But you know, with Detroit, there's kind

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Speaker 1: of a mixed bag with them. You watched them against

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Speaker 1: the Jets, they were awful. You watched them against San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: They did make some improvement and then they found Carrie

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Speaker 1: on Johnson running the football in that New England game,

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Speaker 1: so they had a little bit better balance. But defensively,

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Speaker 1: if you want to focus on that, rob mean, what

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Speaker 1: they're doing to you that, Because everybody seems to have

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Speaker 1: a question about the Cowboys offense and how this is

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Speaker 1: a defense Bill talked about. It was a defense that

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Speaker 1: had plays very well in pass defense, but they're bad

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Speaker 1: against the run, which is funny because they've got some

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Speaker 1: really big inside guys. Now here's Matt Patricia, who is

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna get but you're gonna get some big

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Speaker 1: And we don't know, Mickey, have you heard anything, I

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Speaker 1: they've got some guys that have the ability to rush

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Speaker 1: big bodies on big bodies, that's what you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: this weekend from this Lions matchup. You know, they're linebacker

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Speaker 1: Jeron Davis that was a first round pick in the

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Speaker 1: what the what you know, that kind of that New

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Speaker 1: for him. He's a guy that used on the Blitz

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Speaker 1: Mickey said it Tom Brady fourteen to twenty six for

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Speaker 1: miscom guys are open. They tried to attack the middle

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Speaker 1: like for Matthew Stafford's sake, looks like they've got a

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Speaker 1: I was at Kyle Field last November when Carrie On

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Speaker 1: pick six, but the game was close to a point.

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Speaker 1: And then the Jets the turnovers were just too much

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Speaker 1: they had trouble stopping the run against the Jets too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean Crowwell kind of lit them up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And uh yea, they gave up forty eight to the Jets,

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Speaker 1: gave up thirty to San Francisco. Yeah, lost both those games.

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Speaker 1: And then look, it's the strange, lady nature of this NFL. No,

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Speaker 1: that's the team. Yeah, maybe it's the O and two

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Speaker 1: teams where two teams did great last week. By the way,

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Speaker 1: we all could we all could have retired making money

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Speaker 1: bet and the uh the O and two teams last week?

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Speaker 1: So you want to go with the O and three

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Speaker 1: this week? I think maybe three left Houston, right, it's

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Speaker 1: one of them, Houston, Arizona, Houston playing Indie, Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Something like that. I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm making

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Speaker 1: the third team that I'm trying to keep. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: got figured. They got one win, so they're not dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Well, yeah, and you mentioned it, Mick. Even

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Speaker 1: in this last game against New England, Detroit averaged. They

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Speaker 1: gave up four point seven yards per carry to the Pats.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, look, maybe there's opportunities for Zeke and

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Speaker 1: this game saddle them up. The Cowboys need more than

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Speaker 1: forty plays on offense though, that's all New England got.

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Speaker 1: They never got in a rhythm. Forty plays. That's extremely,

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Speaker 1: extremely low, especially for a Patriots team. How do we

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Speaker 1: of deep shots when they're there. I mean, ze Seattle targets. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: especially when you've reinjured something. Now, apparently this is the

422
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: other hamstring, the one that bothered him last year and

423
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: had him sideline multiple games, not the one that he

424
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: had a little tightness in a week ago. But it's

425
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 1: just it's a recurring deal and we know how it

426
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: is with soft tissue stuff. So linebackers got to step

427
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: up in this game. They got they got the guys

428
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: to step up though. Yeah, they've got they've got the bodies.

429
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 1: They've got talent enough bodies. It's just not okay, we're

430
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Speaker 1: gonna throw numbers at him. They can throw numbers at

431
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Speaker 1: him with quality there. So that's one of those positions

432
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Speaker 1: you actually feel pretty if you lost a tight end,

433
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: you'd be going, well, who's gonna you know, who's gonna

434
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: step up here? You know that's well, they've got positions

435
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: that They've got some positions where the quality of the

436
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 1: position is not as good as let me see you.

437
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: I say one more thing real quick, Mcam sorry port

438
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: Jeff Swain in this regard, he is getting so beat

439
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,959
Speaker 1: up having a run block. You know, if you're asking

440
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: him to make plays down the field, I think it's

441
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 1: going to be difficult for him because he is in

442
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: a train wreck every single time he has to block.

443
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean he does. He's not big enough, he's not

444
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Speaker 1: strong enough. But he will fight to the bitter end.

445
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah he will. He's just he gets beat up a lot,

446
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: and I think that affects his ability to get down

447
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: the field and make plays. And if that's the case,

448
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: then Blake Charwin and those guys need to step up

449
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: and help as well. If we have to take a break,

450
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: we do. How was he going to talk about the

451
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Speaker 1: ramifications of leaning not being in the game. Okay, let's

452
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Speaker 1: do that. We've got one caller waiting two on the

453
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Speaker 1: other side. Let's grab that when we come back, and

454
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Speaker 1: then we'll get to Mickey's comments on the other side

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Speaker 1: you'll do better next time. There was a lot of

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Speaker 1: back on the road. Anthony and Miami. You're up first

506
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Speaker 1: on talking Cowboys. Help us out. What's on your mind? Hey,

507
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: how y'all guys doing it? We're great. Thanks. Hey, I'd

508
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: like to say something. I have two comments economic that's

509
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Speaker 1: opening statement. Besides cowboy media and our fans, the hate

510
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, the dislike this thing, and the real

511
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: listening when we're doing bad is real. I just wanted

512
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: to put that out. There is no question commentators say,

513
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's just real. But anyway, my worry

514
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: is I've always been a dack. Apologies. I think I've

515
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: talked to Make one time a couple of weeks ago

516
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: on hanging with the boys or something. He kind of

517
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: agree with me on some things. So I'm not gonna

518
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: get off that. But I have two worries the health

519
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: of Sean Lee and Lawrence Man. As it appears to

520
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: me they're declining a little bit, like moving forward and

521
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: the fact of signing our own free agents. Not the

522
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas thing. I'm talking about guys like DeMarcus Lawrence,

523
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: maybe a Barron Jones who after that fifth year thing.

524
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe you can help me out brought

525
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: us with that. Um, I think it's time to sign

526
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: him now, actually or whatever? Can we lose those guys?

527
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: Do you think because you know, if I'm losing or

528
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: something like that, because of that attitude or whatever, they

529
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: might not be willing to sign with the Cowboys. I'll

530
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: go here and listen to you guys on that. Thanks

531
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: for the call. I don't quite understand the question. No,

532
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: he's asking. He's saying he'd like to sign Lawrence and

533
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: Byron Jones if he could, He'd like to You liked it.

534
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: He's worried that the fact that the Cowboys are not

535
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: playing well enough and there might be some change, you know,

536
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: going forward, and we again, we got to play the

537
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: season out and see what happens. But he's worried about

538
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, do you try and get these guys done

539
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,239
Speaker 1: now or did they just say, you know what, We're

540
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: gonna wait and see what happens with the team at

541
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: the end of the year. See. I think that's why

542
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: you don't go crazy signing toys that maybe are as

543
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: portent as keeping your own guys like DeMarcus Lawrence. And

544
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: if Byron Jones continues to play the way he has, Yeah,

545
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: you want him back, sure, sure, you want him back, Now,

546
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: what's the market value? And you know the same thing

547
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: that happened with Hitchens. You let him go out and

548
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: test it and you found out, oh, somebody valued him

549
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: financially a lot more than than we did. You know,

550
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: give him a five year, forty five million deal with

551
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: fourteen million guaranteed. And you're sitting there going, well, I

552
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: can't do that because I've got all these other things

553
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: I gotta take care of. So yeah, I think that's

554
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: why you don't go crazy and say, well, I got

555
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: salary cap money, now I can spend it. Well, do

556
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: you have it next year in the year after that?

557
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: That's what you have to look down the road. App

558
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: Can I ask a question I'll try and give an

559
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: answer to with this question? Do you think this? Do

560
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: you think this? The spending of the offensive line was premature?

561
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: Is that something that's gonna hamstring them Mickey for coming contracts?

562
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean, if for Lawrence or for a Jones. I

563
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: mean I understand trying to do Smith. I understand trying

564
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 1: to do Martin Frederick. You know, but you got three guys.

565
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: Should the thought had been one guy? Should the guy

566
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: have been two guys? It's a lot sided up in

567
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: one position. But they you know, they originally did it

568
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: because they had Tony Romo and they wanted he mentioned Smith, Yeah,

569
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: he mentioned Smith. He signed that one years ago, didn't

570
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: long that was a long, long term deal. Yeah, Martin's

571
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: the only one. I mean, you're weren't going to let

572
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: him go right whatever? To No? Uh, I thought Frederick's

573
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: was a reasonable one. Right. And when when they signed Smith,

574
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: it was like it was such a long deal, it

575
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: was so spread out that I don't know that hamstrung

576
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: you and they when they really did Leo Collins, he

577
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: didn't get a heck of a lot. Sure, and it

578
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: is a lot of money in one area of your

579
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: second round pick doesn't get a heck of a lot, right,

580
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: So see, I'm just I'm just wondering about and again,

581
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: they all have money to do what they need to

582
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: do next year. Okay. If that's the case, then do

583
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: do you feel like do you feel like that? Do

584
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: you feel like that? I agree with you, by the

585
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: way everything you said, I agree. Uh. You feel like though,

586
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: that with the they'll be able to Well I'm trying

587
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: to think about this. Does it make more sense to

588
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: go for one or the other. That's what I'm saying,

589
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: I mean, do you go for the pass rusher or

590
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: do you go for the guy that can cover? If

591
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: you had to do one and you say maybe, Mickey,

592
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: you're right. I'm not going to dispute what you're saying.

593
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: But if you think you have enough money to do both,

594
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: I know that's always an option. This crew figures out

595
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: ways to do. But if you if you had to

596
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: do one, which way would you go? I think I

597
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: would lean towards the pass rushers. But the pass rusher

598
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: is going to cost you north of probably seventeen million?

599
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: Am I right about that? Mickey? Probably? And the corner

600
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: is going to cost you siwhere prim in between eight

601
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: and ten you have to be Yeah, and again which

602
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: one you don't want to find a chance? The pass

603
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: rusher because you don't have anybody to take a spot.

604
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: See you thought maybe that, Randy Gray, But you can't.

605
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: You can't hope, you can't do that. You can't do that. Which,

606
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: by the way, we got a little more. I don't

607
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: know if it was accidental clarity on his penalty. Evidently

608
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: they were talking to him the old the whole game, okay,

609
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: making fun of him. They drew him off side, and

610
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: he finally said enough, He finally busted. Yeah, he said enough.

611
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: I think Crawford mentioned it. They were in his ear

612
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: the whole game. He said. It wasn't just one thing,

613
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: he said, they were really going after but off the

614
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: field stuff. And so that's my assumption that makes sense.

615
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: He'd had enough. Still, man, gosh, just hold yourself together there. Yeah,

616
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: it's not worth it, you know. But but you know,

617
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: and I told I told I guess I could say this, right,

618
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: I was telling Rob yesterday. When we were in high school.

619
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Speaker 1: You know, our football team, our enrollment in our high

620
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: school was twenty five percent African Americans. Sure, we played

621
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: in my sophomore year some all white teams. Oh yeah.

622
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: And the head coach, it's tough for the games, would

623
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: point out, they're gonna use words that you don't want

624
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: to hear. But you better control yourself. You just play harder,

625
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: don't react. That's fair. And that was that was the

626
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: message before those games. And you know, I know what

627
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: you know what happens on a football trust me, right

628
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: and all the sports. I mean, it's it happens in

629
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: the NFL, and you know, and it's one of those

630
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: it's it's and there's no there's no boundaries, right, no

631
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: boundaries everything. Everything's game. It's extremely competitive and whatever it

632
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: takes to get an edge. Sometimes there's lines crossed and

633
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: that's that's a huge fishing yards. But again on that

634
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: on my finishing my point, yes, better off, but no, no,

635
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: you're okay, better off finding better easily to find Jordan Lewis,

636
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, someone like that as opposed to finding another

637
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: Do you feel do you feel okay? Just talk about

638
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: backups real quick? Yeah? You feel better about Anthony Brown

639
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: and Jordan Lewis as potential starters for Byron Jones? Or

640
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: do you feel better about Taco Charlton being that you're

641
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: starter at left defensive end? That's that's what to avoid it.

642
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: I have to see more. I like what Taco's done

643
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: so far. Yeah, he has not shown that he's DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah. Yeah,

644
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: And I although they're both Marquis positions, I think the

645
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: pass rusher in this game is more in this day

646
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: and age is more value. I don't disagree with what

647
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: you guys are saying. I gotta have the war daddy,

648
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and it's gonna cost me north. I know

649
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna cost me North to seventeen. I just know that.

650
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: And you could franchise him again, but I don't think

651
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: anybody's happy doing that. So I think that I think

652
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: things would be a lot worse for him. I think

653
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: he accepted this one, right. I don't think you might

654
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: have a situation that happened with it's going on in

655
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh right now. He wants, he wants a long term security.

656
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: Everybody does. Yeah, well he's got to have now. And

657
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: if you franchise him, it's not what the franchise tag is.

658
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: He's got to have. What is it's I thought it was.

659
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: It's an incredible more than what he made exactly exactly.

660
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: So you're looking at North of seventeen again, so you're

661
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: looking at in the twenty in the twenties. Yeah, to me,

662
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: I man that I think you have to if you

663
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: gave me a choice, you said, between him and Byron Jones,

664
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: I'm signing the defensive end. And I love what Byron

665
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: Jones has done through for three weeks. I think he's

666
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: the one guy that has bought in completely to what

667
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: is going on in that secondary. You know. Yeah, he's

668
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: a different technique. Yeah, Chris Richard's asking him to play,

669
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: and I think it goes with his game so far. Yeah,

670
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: now we're going to find out, oh, this weekend, this

671
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: is the best quarterback Dave played. That's right. Yeah. But

672
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: rodn Arronelli said something interesting last week. He said, you know,

673
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: asked about would you ever consider moving him back to safety?

674
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: And he said, he's an a player where he is

675
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: right now, you move him again, That probably dips a

676
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, Like that's they feel like this is

677
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: his spot, and especially in this style that Richard is

678
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: bringing here. Yeah, I think that's. I think that's clear

679
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: that he, like I said, he's the one guy that

680
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: really has bought into Hey this is you know, I

681
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: need to play this way. I'm going to play the technique.

682
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: And you know he's he's it's shown that he's how

683
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: much he really does care. A good question by the

684
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: way by the guy from was it Miami? Yeah, Yeah,

685
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: good call, good call. Keep keep those calls coming. Two

686
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: nine seven. Back to the defense, Mick, you had a

687
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: Sean Lee discussion. Comes So I think they're much more

688
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: prepared from a physical standpoint to play without Sean Lee

689
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: because we know what happened last year. Absolutely it was

690
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: Owen six in the games that he either didn't play

691
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: or didn't finish. Um, my concern is somebody, Jalen Smith

692
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: has to step up and take over the leadership role, right,

693
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: Somebody has to help make the adjustments, help get everybody

694
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: lined up. And I don't know that you can put

695
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: a value on how much Sean Lee does that. So

696
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: I wrote about that yesterday. The communication aspect alone. Part

697
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: of it is the play, but a lot of it

698
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: is just him being out there letting everybody know here's

699
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: what's going to happen before it happens. The instinctual player,

700
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: and I don't think Lv's he can play. I don't

701
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: think he's ready to take that on. So now Jalen

702
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Smith has to step up and be that guy he's had.

703
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: He's had really three years in the system now it

704
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: played for but because he diagnosed things as well as

705
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, that's what you lose. I think when he's

706
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: not in there, that's what worries me. You lose that

707
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: third and three and they run the waggle and everybody's

708
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: flying out of there and Shaun Lee just on his

709
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: own just goes flying through the B gap and makes

710
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: a tackle for the loss of four, you know, like

711
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: it happened in the I remember this in the Philadelphia

712
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: game one year where they they try and run. They're

713
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: trying to run a play where Carson wentz that he

714
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: runs the waggle of the boot and he gets the outside.

715
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: They are a flip or something where all of a sudden,

716
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: the plays going sideways. Chaun Lee makes a tackle and

717
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: it knocks him out of field goal range. You know,

718
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: that's the kind of That's what you're probably gonna miss

719
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: right there. I always ask for you know, I was

720
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: trying to get Mickey to trade for for that guy

721
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: in Seattle. I was trying to get him to trade

722
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: for him, and and but because I wanted somebody to

723
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: help when this all broke down, I wonder if Chris

724
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: Rochard is the guy to hold this team together, to

725
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: hold this defense together. And the only reason I thought

726
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: about it was is because I remember the sideline rant

727
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: he hadn't it in preseason where he had everybody around

728
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: him in the second half the game, the backups weren't

729
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: doing very well and he just went off. I mean,

730
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: he went off on everybody on that bench. And when

731
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: at Kinston a great job this is producing on the

732
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: fly right here. I'm sorry if you're not watching this today,

733
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: but this is what I'm talking about. That is that

734
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: is that my guy holding this thing together for Sean

735
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: Lee from an accountability standpoint. I you know, I asked

736
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: you guys the other day, who's the most important you know,

737
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: with Sean Lee being out, who's the one guy that's

738
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: going to make everybody accountable for the for the how

739
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: they played defense? And I wonder if that guy that

740
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: we just saw on the screen again, I'm sorry, as

741
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Chris Rashard just losing his mind on the sidelines, but

742
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: is that the guy that you know? Okay you is?

743
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: Mickey said, yeah, you need you need those linebackers to

744
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: play well, but you also need somebody else to kind

745
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: of make sure that everybody's playing well. Is that? Am I?

746
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: Am I stretching now? Am I stretching it there? Or

747
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: am I? And there's only really two guys that I

748
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: think have enough cred on the defense to do that.

749
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: Crawford maybe Crawford DeMarcus Lawrence. And DeMarcus Lawrence can be

750
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: a little more out spoken than you know, but again,

751
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: it has to be somebody that's on the field playing playing,

752
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: not a rotation, you know, and they take DeMarcus out

753
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: and then bring them in, and same thing with Crawford.

754
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: You know, I think you're right. I think you both

755
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: are right. I just don't know if Jalen Smith has

756
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: got that perceptible doing that. Maybe this it would be

757
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: a great question for him, you know, asking hey listen,

758
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, leadership role, and so sometimes I

759
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: gets what's the identity of the team, you know that question.

760
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: The guys in the secondary are all kind of still

761
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 1: trying to make their way. See that's why like Earl

762
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: Thomas to me, makes sense for that for that perspective.

763
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: But maybe it's not Earl Thomas. Maybe it's Earl Thomas's

764
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: former coach, that's the one that every time they come

765
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: off the field that he's in somebody's face about, Okay,

766
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: this is what we gotta do this, you got to

767
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: you gotta hold this together, you gotta you know, because

768
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: Sean Lee was kind of the guy. But to your

769
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: guys point, the person on the players on the field

770
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: are the ones. Ultimately they're gonna be the ones to

771
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, make the plays and be accountable for what.

772
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: Neither of the neither none of the safeties. You know,

773
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they have the personality, neither one of

774
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: the yell and scream. The corners aren't going to do

775
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: it right. They got enough problems on their own on

776
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: the outside. I mean, it has to be one of

777
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: the linebackers and you know, or the defensive tackle or

778
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: the tackle. Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe he has to

779
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: be the guy. But but somebody's and it's not yelling

780
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: and screaming, it's right, just making sure everybody knows what

781
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: they're doing, diagnosing things. Yeah, and yeah, I'm with Brian

782
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: because Mickey talks about this like there's a playbook of

783
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: reporter questions to ask sure leaderships one of them and accountability.

784
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: But tv TV loves the what's the identity of the

785
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: team coach? You know, and you're like, oh, god, dang

786
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: what we're scrambling to save our butts from being bitten off?

787
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: But how many times have we seen it? Though? With

788
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, if he's been out the defense falls apart,

789
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: it's a valid question. And so you know, was he

790
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: on the field when the when the protection broke down

791
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: on the one touchdown pass the second I don't think

792
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: he gotten hurt yet that he was when they went

793
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: on the long drive. He missed some of them. He

794
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: missed the long drive they had in the second half.

795
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: But I think he was out already in the second quarter.

796
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: They had taken him out. I think I would see

797
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: when I saw his helmet not in his hand. The

798
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: first thing I thought it was concussion because he'll wear

799
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: his helmet on the flat. When I thought they if

800
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: they've taken his helmet, I'm thinking concussion. And then you

801
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: reported Robert wrote from the press box that that he

802
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: had the hamstring problem. And I'm like, going, okay, this

803
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: is concussion. You could kind of and I'm not trying

804
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: to play with somebody's brain, but concussion you can kind

805
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: of say protocol one day, two days, three days, Oh, okay,

806
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: he's okay, ready to go. But these hamstring with Sean

807
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: Lee is just we we know it's it's gonna be

808
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: something that's going to cost himself. It's going to be

809
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: at least I've bet two games. We're going yeah, and

810
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: I and I was told that, you know, we're gonna

811
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: have to be more conservative this time. That's always the

812
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: way when it happens again, and you can't listen to

813
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: him to force himself back on the field. Can they

814
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: be any more conservative with him? And that's the thing,

815
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: and that's the shame. They're just saying, Hey, Sean, they have,

816
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: but they might have rushed him back this time. I

817
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: don't know if they rushed him or he rushed himself

818
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: back with the opposite. Because it's hard to test a hamstring,

819
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: isn't it. You gotta kind of stand Yeah, But I mean,

820
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: here's a guy who brings his own bed on the road,

821
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, basically, he does everything he can

822
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: to get ready. They kind of bubble wrapped him in preseason.

823
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: It's just it's unfortunately, something he's his body deals with

824
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: now as he's moved on through his career. And it's

825
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: both hamstrings, unfortunately that he's had to deal with. It's

826
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: not just one. And it's not something you go in

827
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: and surgically fix, yeah, unless it's torn. Yeah, And I

828
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: don't think it's to that ox now, I don't. But

829
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: that's the reason why they spend a first round draft

830
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: pick on a lineback. Absolutely, And that's what they're gonna

831
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: have to do continuency wise this week. See and I

832
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: and I you know, if you follow along in the

833
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: Draft show. We talked a lot about DJ Moore, we

834
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: talked a lot about Calvin Ridley, we talked about all

835
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, those would have been great picks, but they,

836
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: in my opinion, did the right thing. Knowing the situation

837
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: with Sean Lee, like Mickey said, they were oh in

838
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: six and games that he didn't what didn't finish or

839
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: was not a part of you have to you can't

840
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: let your defense fall apart like that, And they did

841
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: the right And I think this guy can play. And

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922
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926
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Speaker 1: Don't be that bad. Yeah, tidy up a little bit. Yeah,

927
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: don't be Bill Jones. I'll have to do that tonight quickly.

928
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: One roster move yesterday or a couple actually. The Cowboys

929
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: played Dayton Jones, defensive tackle on injured reserve. He was

930
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: coming off a knee injury in the game string had

931
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: a hamstring in the game. Had a knee injury early

932
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: in the season. Karen read his back. They liked him. Yeah,

933
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: had a nice preseason finale showing a couple of games

934
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: he played pretty well for him. Just getting him off

935
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: the street. So no one picked him up. No, he's

936
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: a five year guy. So I'm surprised nobody gave him

937
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: a shot, but boy, he was super active. Now they

938
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: gotta figure out what they're gonna do because I don't

939
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's gonna play the one because that's

940
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: what they use with Dayton Jones. Now because remember next week,

941
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: yes you know, and they have to make a roster move. Yea,

942
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: they have to make a roster at him eligible to play.

943
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: But for this week at least, you know, MALIEK. Collins status,

944
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: we're not sure if he can get back. This week,

945
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: he was on the field working with the associate athletic

946
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: trainer Britt Brown day hopefully to trying to get closer.

947
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: He traditionally doesn't miss games, but he missed one last week. Yeah,

948
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: he usually plays three. That was his first one. That's

949
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: his first one. Yeah, you're talking about an MCL. Those

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Speaker 1: can be kind of hamstring type things. Multi deals. Oh,

951
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: it's usually two to four right, yeah, right, So we'll

952
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: see you on his status as well. Jason Garrett's coming

953
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955
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, Boots and yeah, all that kind of stuff, right, Crutch,

956
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go back to the phone lines and

957
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: visit with our good friend coach John and Lufkin. It's

958
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: been a long time since you joined us, coach, welcome back. Yeah,

959
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: a long time times. I can get out, oh we

960
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: need more line that means that kind of means business

961
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: is good for us. But it's still good to hear

962
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: from you. Yeah, thank you. I wanted to say, I'm

963
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: not as worried about the offense of a lot of

964
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: people saying to be by need to get this kind

965
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: of a round pretty soon. But the problem is not talent.

966
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: You can't fix talent. The problem is execution and mental mistakes,

967
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: and that can be fixed. Now they're gonna have to

968
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: fix in a hurry. But that's what I wanted to say. Okay, okay,

969
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: appreciate the call. Coach. Oh, Darney hung up. I was

970
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: going to ask him about the offensive line, but he's

971
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: got a good point. I mean, just think of the

972
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: plays we talked about. Had they been right, you know,

973
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: have they not made mistakes? Somebody picks up Bobby Wagner, No,

974
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: one step out of bounds, don't drop a ball. Those

975
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: things just change everything. So dramatically, you know, and even

976
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: I mean this didn't affect the offense directly. But if

977
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: if you don't get the BS roughing the passer call

978
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: on the first series, they're punting from the end zone, yeah,

979
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: and you're going to get the ball at the fifty

980
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 1: yard line instead of them punning at the fo forty

981
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: nine in getting the ball at what five ten? It

982
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: just changed one play like that just changes so much.

983
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: I use the example of Byron Jones on the you

984
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: know at that hole, the whole that was a thirty

985
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: three yards wasn't a good hold. Please tell me he

986
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: held him. He got knocked down, He got really run over,

987
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: is what happened. So you know it's on the opposite

988
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: side of the field, No need to do that. And

989
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: you're right, make you even just fair catch these things.

990
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: But if you got Tavon Austin back there, why not

991
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: give it a go? I understand that was thirty three

992
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: yards of field position right there, and that's think about

993
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: this team just trying to get thirty three yards on

994
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: a drive, you know exactly, that's three first downs at

995
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: the right they're going so in anything, you know, and

996
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, I think coach is right you know, we

997
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: pass a lot of blame, a lot of judgment. I'm

998
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: guilty of that, I really am. Stop talking about. But

999
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: also but I also know that the execution the finish

1000
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: has just been horrendous, horrendous for them this year. You know,

1001
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: And there was some defense you saw with the defense

1002
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: didn't finish the other day. Give up, they give up

1003
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: two bad plays. But other times, you know, that's but

1004
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: in a game, that's sometimes that's all it takes. Yes,

1005
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: these games are so those were really two evenly matched

1006
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: teams the other day. It's just that one team had

1007
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: had better breaks in the way the way it worked

1008
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: out for him. There were a couple of picks off

1009
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: tip balls, tip ball picks. You're talking about a guy

1010
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: going out of bounds, you talking about a drop, you know,

1011
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: you talk all these kinds of things, you know, busting coverage.

1012
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: You know, they busted the coverage of the guy wheeling

1013
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: out of the Backford pro sides for nineteen yards. And

1014
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: that play and then the next play where they do

1015
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: they hit you with a dagger down the middle, you know,

1016
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: with in a single high look. So they blitzed on

1017
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: that play. Yeah, did they get caught or was somebody

1018
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: supposed to peel off because there were no linebackers. And

1019
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: it was funny, Mickey, because when I wrote about it

1020
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: on Sunday night, I thought that maybe it was one

1021
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: of those fire zone bits where they blitzed the inside

1022
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: linebackers through the A gaps and then they dropped the end,

1023
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: which just means it was Lawrence. But when you go

1024
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: back and watch it, they were in that special front

1025
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: where they had Lawrence at tackle and on the outside

1026
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: of him as Taco, And so now you're thinking, and

1027
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: here they are there, they're Russian linebackers. They've got Taco

1028
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: playing the left defensive end, they got Lawrence playing inside

1029
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle, and Procis is in a wing. And

1030
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: as soon as they as soon as they as Russell

1031
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: Wilson saw the blitz inside, he knew exactly where he

1032
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: was going with the football, and everybody else was in

1033
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: man coverage line. There was no linebackers there, and it

1034
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: might have been one of those things where they, you know,

1035
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: give them credit for calling the right play. It's like

1036
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: got you, yeah, and they led it up, they dialed

1037
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: it up and it worked. That was their answer for

1038
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: the blitz. You know, get the ball out quick they

1039
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, and nobody was there to make up for

1040
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: the and some I'm thinking, okay to Taco, not drop

1041
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: in the fire zone, you know, but we've seen him

1042
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: blitz everybody and just take a chance on getting on.

1043
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: That's that's a bad break right there, because if you

1044
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: get home, maybe he doesn't get the ball out to

1045
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: that game. Because Taco came free. Yeah he did. As

1046
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: I remember, Taco was trying to run. Looked like Mickey

1047
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: a twist, looked that they were trying. He was going

1048
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: down inside. He came inside, but lords didn't move. So

1049
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: now it made me think, oh, Taco, Tacco, you find

1050
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: it busted a couple there, Yeah, because the linebackers couldn't

1051
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: get there and safeties were too far away. Everybody was

1052
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: in man carriage on the back end. Yeah. So but

1053
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: that's you know, okay, you got me, yea. You know,

1054
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: they need to dial up some gotchas on their own office. Yeah,

1055
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: and maybe dial up some some takeaways. You can't dial

1056
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: those up. Sometimes you got to be in the right spot,

1057
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: like Earl Thomas was a couple of times in the game.

1058
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: That's one reason why he is as great of a

1059
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: player as he is. For Seattle, sure, but they've had

1060
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: some chances in the first three games. No pick yet.

1061
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: I think a couple of fumble recoveries. Talking about you know,

1062
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: like you said, thirty three yards makes a big difference,

1063
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: A short field makes a big difference for this offense.

1064
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: Right now, Well, yeah it is. We talked about the

1065
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: thirty three yards and what happened. You give them five

1066
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: more back your balls on the nine yard line and

1067
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: then and then you get the tight end jumps off side.

1068
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: So now you lose. Now, now you've lost thirty seven

1069
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 1: yards a field position, you know, because of the half

1070
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: of the distance to the goal. But yeah, it's just

1071
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: it's it's unfortunate the turnovers. I think the turnovers will

1072
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: come as long as they could keep the pressure up.

1073
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: You know, you just haven't. Eli Manning didn't. I was

1074
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: surprised he didn't throw you at least two. You know,

1075
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: he's always good for two interceptions a game. You know,

1076
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: this cat, I don't know. I mean he now the

1077
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: last time they played here, they got after him pretty well.

1078
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: But I think this is a different team they like,

1079
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: I say, they have more balance. The receivers, I think

1080
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: are the way they run them with the bunch formation

1081
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: stuff make you have to chase you know if I

1082
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: don't know if you'll get turnovers from this guy, but

1083
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: if you do, man, it'll be a huge bonus. But

1084
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: he threw, he threw several game and maybe he got

1085
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: him all out of his system. But you know they

1086
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: passes down the field too. Yeah. Yeah, some of them

1087
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: were like, huh, well you did what. Hopefully you continue

1088
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: the pressure because I think if you keep the pressure up,

1089
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: you keep the blitzing up, you'll get some interceptions. You

1090
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: will get some interceptions. What you got, Mick, I was

1091
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: gonna look up what their turnover deal was? Who the Cowboys?

1092
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: No Detroit, Detroit. I mean, I know they had the four,

1093
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: But what happened in the other Oh, it should be

1094
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: in this little stat right here, turnover margin Lions minus

1095
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: four tied for thirty first in the NFL. Right now,

1096
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: Cowboys or minus two. Either they didn't get any or

1097
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 1: they haven't made anymore. The first four I don't remember

1098
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: looking at any on tape that were any Yeah, they

1099
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: had a oh other than the first game that they

1100
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: had to pick six. Yeah, that was the only the

1101
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: only one I remember seeing that was that was a

1102
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: turnover someone through them, So we'll see good comes the game.

1103
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: It will. I mean again, I think you look at

1104
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: this early and I think it's probably evenly matched. Both

1105
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: both tasks have strengths and weaknesses, and you know who

1106
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: plays the more efficient football game. We'll find out on Sunday.

1107
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: What's the line? I don't know. I don't worry about

1108
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: those I don't either, but it just occurred to me.

1109
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: We're all we can now, bet can't we not us?

1110
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: Not us that everybody out there listening, Ken, Yeah, let

1111
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: us know and and keep hearing from us or you know,

1112
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: calling us in this week. We've got a few more days,

1113
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: two more days of talking cowboys to break this thing down. Bill,

1114
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: we'll be back tomorrow and we'll have another good show.

1115
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: Let's go in there and see if he's working. Yeah,

1116
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure he is. He's a busy He's a busy

1117
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: TV man, can't Thanks for producing. We'll see you guys

1118
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Speaker 1: on Thursday. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.