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Speaker 1: How are we doing here on this Thursday morning?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 4: We got the tournament coming back tonight too.

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Speaker 2: That's right, we got some got some picks coming up

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Speaker 2: later on. Jony Bracketts is going to deliver a couple

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Speaker 2: more winners this week.

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Speaker 4: Please stop saying that.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's your nickname that you gave me,

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Speaker 2: so why would I stop?

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Speaker 1: I'm showcasing.

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Speaker 4: No one calls you Jony Brackets.

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Speaker 1: Nobody calls me Jony Bracketts.

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Speaker 3: Won't stop, can't stop.

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Speaker 1: What the hell was that, Lorena? What what that was?

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Speaker 1: Some houring down there and so it sounded like there's

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Speaker 1: nothing running. I don't know what that was? Off to

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Speaker 1: a great start again, that was interesting. Did we lose Brady?

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Speaker 3: That might have been what it was.

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Speaker 4: I'm still here, No, no.

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Speaker 5: Hey, listen, touching go on this place his voice came

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Speaker 5: in like, Jesus, no, my son, Yeah, I'm still here.

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Speaker 5: I think everybody's uh everybody at least that's how that's

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Speaker 5: how I picture Jesus's voice in my head, you know.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the tourney will be back later on. I

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Speaker 2: already have my pick for today. Don't anybody spoil it,

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Speaker 2: but uh, you know it's going to be going to

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Speaker 2: be working towards showcasing friends of the program in my pick.

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Speaker 2: That's a little bit of a giveaway coming up later

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Speaker 2: on in hour three of the program, so we get

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Speaker 2: the turney back.

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Speaker 1: I also I saw this.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys were aware of this,

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Speaker 2: looking like. And I just think this is coincidental, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything that they're not, you know,

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Speaker 2: slowly trying to merge into anything more than simply putting

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Speaker 1: Wednesday, September ninth.

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Speaker 2: Normally it's on that Thursday of opening week, but they're

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Speaker 1: So this is just purely coincidental.

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Speaker 2: This is not a prelude to something bigger in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: It's just a random Wednesday night game for the league.

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Speaker 2: And I think we're all in agreement on that, correct.

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Speaker 2: Just nothing more to see here, no long term commitment

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Speaker 6: I mean, am I carrying the show right now? Is

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Speaker 6: Let me this is what Jonas is trying to do.

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Speaker 6: It gives smaller markets exposure instead of being all lumped

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think that the NFL is showcase that if

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Speaker 1: And it's happened over and over.

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't we, you know, put some games on Christmas

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Speaker 2: And with the media rights deals coming up soon, it

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Speaker 4: That all comes down to money. And that's one of

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Speaker 6: That if you look at just which companies have the

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Speaker 6: So when you start factoring in who could potentially buy

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Speaker 6: Feels like it's that you know that that linear television,

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Speaker 5: But but look at it from the perspective of what

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Speaker 5: It's crazy Jonas carry the show, Jones, Let's just.

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Speaker 2: Okay, geez all right, it's it's crazy just to think

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Speaker 1: It's not you.

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Speaker 2: At some point, somebody's got to design a remote strictly

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Speaker 1: Hey, where's the NFL remote?

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Speaker 2: And it's got every single button you hit and it

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Speaker 2: NBC's involved, ESPN's involved, Fox is involved. It isn't even

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Speaker 1: Just it isn't.

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Speaker 2: It's no longer is it just NFC belongs to Fox

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Speaker 2: and it's every sport now. It's just crazy to think

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Speaker 5: It's a tab a bit confusing too, tell you, Like,

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Speaker 3: Was on Amazon Prime.

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Speaker 1: Where'd you think it was on ESPN?

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Speaker 2: I mean, ESPN still does have college football on Thursday nights.

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Speaker 3: I'm just just set that.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to see this. It has been a

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Speaker 3: That's what upsets me the most, is hilarious.

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Speaker 6: I can drive in two hours in almost any direction

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Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. I need that in my life.

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Speaker 6: But I think I got overserved. Like everyone was having

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Speaker 6: Like I just the NFL is trying to take this away.

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Speaker 6: I've said that before. The NFL is like divesting into

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Speaker 4: Hey, I've got a longer runway here.

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Speaker 6: If this becomes popular, maybe I'll be a guy who

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Speaker 3: Get something to it.

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Speaker 6: it's just hard to understand that process of where the

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that they there really

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Speaker 5: We'll look at the damage and assess it afterwards. It

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Speaker 5: I mean just with the things that the issues that

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Speaker 3: The pipe for football?

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Speaker 5: And I guess the NFL, being obviously the flagship the

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Speaker 5: You can't just not just ignore it. You know, the

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Speaker 5: if if you're losing, what.

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Speaker 4: Like if you check back.

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Speaker 6: There's just not those dudes walking out of coal mines

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I guess not. I guess not.

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Speaker 4: Put them in a body back Johnny.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's it's like there's just really latitude.

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Speaker 3: If there just to be just to they're Amazon. You

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Speaker 1: I mean, right, you see that. You see the boxes

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Speaker 5: But if they're if they're that high, how high is

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Speaker 3: What's the NFL worth? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Because if you do that, if you do that thirty

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Speaker 6: It's roughly twenty seven thirty billion. I think that's what

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Speaker 4: In some that aren't quite you know, nine to ten,

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Speaker 5: So that's I mean, what's to me? The bigger question

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Speaker 6: What's most interesting about in the NFL and the media

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Speaker 6: about the NHL rights and then even the PGA Tour

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Speaker 6: and Brian Lowe Rolapp talking about that. You know that

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Speaker 6: there's a few ways of looking at but one is

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Speaker 6: the way they go about saying, you know, this is

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Speaker 6: what our networks can do for you. You know, if

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Speaker 6: you know, networks with different conferences, there's saying like they're

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Speaker 6: saying to those conferences, this is what our network can

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Speaker 6: do for you. This is how we're going to help

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Speaker 6: you expand your brand. This is how we're going to

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Speaker 6: make you a national brand. You know, especially if you

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Speaker 6: as you look at the changing of conferences, you know,

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Speaker 6: the Big Ten's able to say we can provide a

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Speaker 6: window where people on the West Coast, people in the

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Speaker 6: East Coast, they can be watching all these teams because

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Speaker 6: they're all the same conference now, and we could provide

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Speaker 6: that for you. That's going to help grow your brand

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Speaker 6: nationally and find touch points for alumni bases nationally. So

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Speaker 6: so that's more of how that conversation goes. But in

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Speaker 6: the NFL, it's different. You know, they're the ones that

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Speaker 6: are steering the ship saying no, no, this is where we

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Speaker 6: want to go, this is the numbers we want to hit,

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Speaker 6: this is how we're going to do it. We need

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Speaker 6: to find partners that can bring us there, and I

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Speaker 6: think the NFL knows that the infrastructure for streaming is

466
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Speaker 6: not there yet. It's not there from a gambling perspective,

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Speaker 6: which obviously prediction markets in particular Calshi and Polymarket are

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Speaker 6: going to be some of the bigger sponsors moving forward.

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Speaker 6: They know that they can't necessarily be completely all into

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Speaker 6: streaming because it's not built out to have enough capacity

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Speaker 6: to bring those nous in. You know, that that big

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Speaker 6: panel and data, that combination of numbers they want for viewership.

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Speaker 6: It's just not quite there to allow the streamers to

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Speaker 6: have as big of an impact as linear television does.

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Speaker 6: So four years from now it could look a lot different,

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Speaker 6: but they're just not there yet.

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Speaker 1: Especially the way you guys picked games.

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Speaker 5: you know, that didn't offit me one bit. Jonas, Okay, Jonas,

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Speaker 5: you got dead last than our picks this year. I

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Speaker 5: don't remember those like so long ago.

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Speaker 1: What are we talking here?

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Speaker 3: You guys were messing things up. You were talking about

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Speaker 2: You guys poison the well. I had no choice. I

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: Adam Silver, the commissioner of the NBA, who's got everything

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Speaker 2: under controlled. There no issues with that league, no problems whatsoever,

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Speaker 2: not any sort of stuff that's popped up as far

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Speaker 2: as you know, gambling and tanking and whatnot. He spoke

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Speaker 2: about tanking, and he spoke about the solution and some

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Speaker 2: steps that the league is going to take to fix

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Speaker 2: the tanking issue in the league.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: One topic not so positive, and that's ongoing tanking issues

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Speaker 9: in the league. We had a lengthy conversation about the issue.

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Speaker 9: This meeting was not about pointing fingers at any team

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Speaker 9: in particularly in particular. Again, I understand where the incentives are,

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Speaker 9: we understand why it results in certain behavior, and I

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Speaker 9: will say it was seemed unanimous in the room that

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Speaker 9: we needed to make a change, and we needed to

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Speaker 9: make a change for next season. Exactly what that changes

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Speaker 9: we're continuing to work on. No votes were taken today.

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Speaker 9: I think there's also unanimous agreement that we need to

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Speaker 9: make this change in advance of the draft and free

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Speaker 9: agency this year. All the teams understand the rules of

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Speaker 9: the road going into next year. That means we will

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Speaker 9: most likely have a special board meeting in May, in

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Speaker 9: which at that point we will vote on whatever modification

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Speaker 9: we come up with, and we were going to fix

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Speaker 9: it a full stop.

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Speaker 1: You know what that means.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, tank away, everybody, do what you gotta do,

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Speaker 2: all right, because they're coming up with changes this offseason.

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Speaker 2: So whoever is in the midst of tanking to try

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Speaker 2: and be a part of this loaded draft class coming up,

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Speaker 2: just continue to do what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: But don't worry. They're going to put a stop to

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Speaker 1: this in the off season. I'll believe.

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Speaker 5: I want to say, why is there such a negative

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Speaker 5: connection to tanking because you aren't you seeking a positive outcome?

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Speaker 5: Isn't that considered to be a strategical movement? Like giving

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Speaker 5: up is one thing? Giving up says to me, there's

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Speaker 5: nothing beyond giving up, Like you've quit. There's no resolution

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Speaker 5: and there's no solution to the situation tanking. If I

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Speaker 5: if I got Lebron James from tanking, if I got

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Speaker 5: Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson from tanking, Cooper Flagg from tanking,

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Speaker 5: Wim ben Yama from tanking, if you tank the best

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Speaker 5: in that scenario, it could change the outlook and the

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Speaker 5: outcomes for many, many, many moons. How has this become

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Speaker 5: such a conversation where there's such vitriol connected to how

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Speaker 5: it's discussed. That's what's the tap bit confusing to me,

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Speaker 5: because if you're trying to be it's one thing. If

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Speaker 5: your team, you're trying to take your team, and from

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Speaker 5: day one we're tanking. It's like, what with the reason

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Speaker 5: for tanking from day one other than to know that

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Speaker 5: you could potentially get a win bin Yama in the

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Speaker 5: next upcoming draft, which, by the way, why would you

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Speaker 5: tank if you if you don't know what type of

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Speaker 5: team you have?

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Speaker 3: Coming into the season.

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Speaker 5: So I would assume you're going to start tanking at

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Speaker 5: some point in the season where it's like, oh, this

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Speaker 5: is not going.

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Speaker 3: To be a good year.

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Speaker 5: And even if the correlation of it, we didn't have

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Speaker 5: a good year to year prior to oh we didn't

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Speaker 5: have a good year prior to that one. What has

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Speaker 5: turned tanking into such this boogeyman of a topic. That's

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Speaker 5: why I'm curious because I know it's buying tickets. I

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Speaker 5: get that, Like, Okay, it's for the fans. Maybe I

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Speaker 5: get that, But isn't that still a part of strategy

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Speaker 5: to try and win.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a few ways of

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Speaker 6: looking at it. The first is, so you know, if

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Speaker 6: you do decide to tank, and you make it maybe

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Speaker 6: without saying it, pretty apparent the fan base is going

611
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Speaker 6: to know. So your ticket sales are going to reflect that.

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Speaker 6: Like ultimately, as the owner, like, that's the decision you made.

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Speaker 3: This is the penalty you have.

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Speaker 6: To take, Like you're gonna have to stink and probably

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Speaker 6: lose money for that year in order to build back

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Speaker 6: up and become better down the road. You know, there's

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Speaker 6: decisions that business owners have to make that are somewhat

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Speaker 6: similar in nature. You know, maybe the way they go

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Speaker 6: about investing some of the capital back into the company,

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Speaker 6: or however they go about, you know, handling stuff. There's

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Speaker 6: gonna be times where they have to take a short

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Speaker 6: term hit to try to build back, right, And that's

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Speaker 6: essentially what you're talking about. I mean, I think the

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Speaker 6: idea or the framework around tanking. The issue that most

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Speaker 6: people have with it is this is supposed to be

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Speaker 6: an experience. It's supposed to be something that you can

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Speaker 6: be proud of as a fan, right, that team that

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Speaker 6: you put on their logo like you, it represents you,

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Speaker 6: you represent them, and there's that shared love for the sport,

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Speaker 6: for the game, for everything else. And you feel like

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Speaker 6: if your team's going out there not putting their best

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Speaker 6: foot forward or trying their hardest to it's like, well,

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Speaker 6: why shou that I give you my time?

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Speaker 4: Why should I sacrifice my money to come watch.

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Speaker 3: You or root for you?

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Speaker 4: I think that that's ultimately what it's about.

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Speaker 6: Why it's it's so frowned upon its adam silver halfs

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Speaker 6: has to find ways of putting in protective mechanisms so

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Speaker 6: teams aren't able to just you know, throw in the

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Speaker 6: talent an entire season, ostracize their fan base, all in

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Speaker 6: the hopes of being able to get certain players to

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Speaker 6: be better the next.

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Speaker 4: Year or in the future.

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Speaker 6: Which again, like you could sit there and say, like

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Speaker 6: if the fan base understood the plan, maybe half the

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Speaker 6: fan base or more than half would go along with

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Speaker 6: it and say we get it, like we get we

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Speaker 6: get it, like what we've gone through seasons in our

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Speaker 6: life where we've got to go through a short term

650
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Speaker 6: pain to come out of a better long term outcome.

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Speaker 6: But I think for that, for that time being, it's

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Speaker 6: hard to sell you know, that product, that brand that

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Speaker 6: the team's trying.

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Speaker 4: To sell in the short term, and that's what this

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Speaker 4: is more about.

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Speaker 2: I just I think that's the problem. I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of these league or owners think the fans are dumb,

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Speaker 2: and so they try and gaslight you into thinking, oh no, no, no, no, no, listen,

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Speaker 2: what you're seeing isn't the case. We mean it this time. No, no,

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Speaker 2: this is like we're really going for No, you're not. No,

661
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: You're like you want to lose, you want to increase

662
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: your odds at getting the best player in the draft,

663
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: just like.

664
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Speaker 3: That made you want to win.

665
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, long term. I'm saying, as long as you want

666
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: to win. But they're but they're they're trying.

667
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: They're trying to say we care about the now, when

668
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: the reality is no, you care about the next. That's like,

669
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: whatever's what you're doing. I can under if you would,

670
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: if you would have just told do you think Calves fans?

671
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: Bratty's a Cavs fan. I think everybody was under all

672
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: sort of in agreement. Hey, we know what's going on here,

673
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: Like we want Lebron, we get it it, just like

674
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: the Blazers are trying to do the same thing. That's

675
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: how that whole Chauncey billa that was part of that,

676
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: the whole Chauncey Billups tanking thing, because they wanted one Binyama.

677
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: They wanted to increase the odds and try and get

678
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: the best player in the draft. The lottery I thought

679
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: was to try and not make it so you can

680
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: manipulate it. Yeah, to increase your odds, but there are

681
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: times where teams with the best odds don't end up

682
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: with the best player. But then you get situations like

683
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: Patrick Ewing with the Knicks. People still don't think that

684
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: was on the up and up I've heard stuff about

685
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: Lebron James.

686
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: People still don't think that was on the up and up.

687
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: Like there's just the NBA has got too many red

688
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: flags of things out there with gambling and whatnot to

689
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: where fans I think of the of the league look

690
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: at it and go, are you telling me the truth

691
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: or feed me a bunch of crap?

692
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 4: But hold on, hold on, Like.

693
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 6: You really think people go to NBA games, They're like, oh,

694
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 6: they're not being honest, Like, I can't I can't bet,

695
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 6: I can't believe in this game.

696
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 4: I mean, come on.

697
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: I think people go to NBA games because they want

698
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: to be entertained. And I think there are certain fan

699
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: bases that go there because they really really care about

700
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: the product and they want to watch a winner. And

701
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: I think there's other fan bases that go there because

702
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: they just want to be seen, like they want to

703
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: show people. Does have to do with what you just

704
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: said that, Okay, So my point is the NBA is

705
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: trying to present this idea that hey, we know we

706
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: got issues and we're really trying hard to fix it.

707
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: You're not like you're you're not trying hard to fix it.

708
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: Teams just come out and say this is the plan,

709
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: this is what's going forward. That's why Mark Cuban coming

710
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 2: out and saying, hey man, tanking works like I'm sorry

711
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: this but nobody wants to just be honest about what

712
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: the issues are.

713
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 5: And that's the bigger issue. To me, that's the bigger issue.

714
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 5: And you both touched on it. Just just I mean,

715
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 5: if a team is bad, a team is bad, like

716
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 5: in basketball, I feel like it is more feasible to

717
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 5: have this conversation. I think tanking in football is egregious.

718
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 5: And the reason why I think it's egregious in football

719
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 5: is because one you have way less games and two,

720
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 5: when when talking about football, there's so many different players.

721
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 5: One player, I don't care how good that one player is.

722
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 5: One player will never make the entire team good. It's

723
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 5: not one player, not even Patrick Mahomes, not even Tom Brady,

724
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 5: not one player in the National Football League.

725
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: Is the is the catalyst of we will not lose, we.

726
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 5: Will win a championship because of that one person. In basketball,

727
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 5: it's very different. One person can impact an entire team,

728
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 5: one person both offensively and defensively, so the roles are different.

729
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 5: There's less people in basketball. To me, to me, when

730
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 5: you look at what the possibilities and the potential of

731
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 5: what can happen with one player being brought into your doors.

732
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 5: Tanking gets me Magic Johnson or Kareem Abdul Jabbar. I'm tanking.

733
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 5: If my team is not good, I'm tanking. Now, let's

734
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 5: define tanking. You still have a pro feshional team.

735
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: It's a pro team.

736
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 5: So when we say tanking, we're basically saying who's ever

737
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 5: playing out there on that court. Who By the way,

738
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 5: they're not tanking. I never met a player that knew

739
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 5: they were tanking, Like.

740
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, Brady, are we tanking this week? Oh yeah, bruh,

741
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 3: We're good. Like all right, bruh. Like where we going?

742
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 3: I don't know, but hey, you're not away from here.

743
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 5: Nobody is in those locker rooms just oh yeah, we're

744
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 5: consciously we're tanking. Tanking is Oh, I have James Harten

745
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 5: on my team. I'm not playing them because I want

746
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 5: to trade them, and I'm tanking the season. To me,

747
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 5: you still have other guys who are playing their hearts

748
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 5: out because they're playing for a job, they're playing to

749
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 5: try to win, whatever it may be. Their motivations are there.

750
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 5: It's the coaches that are or or the ownership that

751
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 5: is making taking that active stance on what tanking represents.

752
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 5: It's not like these guys are like, oh, yeah, we

753
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 5: got replacement guys from off the streets to come in

754
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 5: and play because we're tanking. Those are professionals that are

755
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 5: going out there and playing and they're unaware of the

756
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 5: fact that, oh, we're supposed to be losing this game.

757
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 5: It's just that your team isn't winning. They're not winning,

758
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 5: and so by saying that you've impacted the product and

759
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 5: the experience, No, you have it. These are professionals that

760
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 5: are playing basketball out there. You might not see the

761
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 5: Marquee names. You might not see a aid less Marquee

762
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 5: name that's out there and they're sitting on the bench

763
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 5: or they're in street clothes. But hell, Anthony Davis is

764
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 5: always hurt, are you saying and it's tanking because he's

765
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 5: hurt more often than not, and he's not in the

766
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 5: games and he's not playing. Look at Zion and everything

767
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 5: he's gone through. He's been hurt and he hasn't been

768
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 5: out there. So when you get a Marquee player and

769
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 5: he's not playing, I mean.

770
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: He's not out there, but you still have other pros.

771
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: They are all pros.

772
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 5: If you can't help contribute the win, then why are

773
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 5: you on the roster? So to me, I feel like

774
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 5: it gets a little overblown when we throw out the

775
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 5: term tanking. It's been turned into this big villain of

776
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 5: a word. It's been turned into this horrible deal.

777
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: That's what I think.

778
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,880
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: Look, at the time, so I don't know if you

802
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: guys had seen this.

803
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: That's ten dollars. What that's ten dollars.

804
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 5: Bro's passive aggressive?

805
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: That's ten dollars. Bro, No is ten dollars for that.

806
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: No, I was just I wanted to tease a head

807
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: to the next I just was right around the corner.

808
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: It's four minut that's like right now.

809
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: What at the time, I got caught up in the

810
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: moment this did.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I mean, I'm just saying I.

812
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: Want to go broke on this show because of the

813
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: amount of fines that I get.

814
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 3: That was passive.

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Speaker 4: You're not You're not fine for it. I will be

816
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 4: the judge here. You're not fine.

817
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 6: Was so egregiously over the clock that we cannot find

818
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 6: you for what he just did the last segment.

819
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Speaker 1: Thank you.

820
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not talking the rest of the show.

821
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Speaker 2: What not.

822
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Speaker 3: Y'all go ahead.

823
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 5: And I don't know how C was so so conveniently

824
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 5: appointed the judge of all it is. I want that

825
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 5: under review to be a committee.

826
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Speaker 6: I'm just saying, two wrongs don't make it right. Two

827
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 6: wrongs don't make it right. What two wrongs don't make

828
00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 6: it right?

829
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Speaker 3: Oh? Okay?

830
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: And I had a story for you too, a story

831
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: just for you of aar because I'm telling you, I

832
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: think you're onto something.

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00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: You might have you might have started a trend. I'm

834
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: telling you.

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00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: I don't want your trend.

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00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm telling you