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Speaker 1: Banker Bruce, It's time to get out the chalkboard and

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Speaker 1: diagram some plays. Here's what it all starts right here.

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Speaker 1: That's why day money. Chris. This is Inside Football with

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Speaker 1: former Colts and NFL coach Rick Venturie. Welcome inside this

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Speaker 1: first installment of Inside Football here in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: with Football upon Us on the Colts Audio Network. Thanks

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Speaker 1: everybody for joining in. We're inside what we're calling the

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Speaker 1: mobile edition of the Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio

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Speaker 1: here in Westfield up at Graham Park. I'm Matt Taylor.

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Speaker 1: It's our first chance here in training camp to catch

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Speaker 1: up at least on the record with the microphones recording

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Speaker 1: in the background with my broadcast partner and former Colts

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Speaker 1: and NFL coach Rick Vin Turrey with nearly thirty years

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Speaker 1: of NFL experience RV. Welcome back to football, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast here in twenty twenty four. How you feel

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's great to be back with you. Matt.

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Speaker 3: This is our world when we come out here to

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Speaker 3: Grand Park. It is a world to itself. It's great

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Speaker 3: to be out here and be a part of watching

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Speaker 3: these guys go.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into the nitty gritty of the colts,

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Speaker 1: what do you enjoy most about training camp now versus

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Speaker 1: what the old school coaching you has to say about

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Speaker 1: how different training camp is now?

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Speaker 3: You know, if I had my brothers, I probably would

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Speaker 3: like kind of a halfway point between the old days

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Speaker 3: like sometimes that we overworked a team that we after

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Speaker 1: Practice, diminishing return.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what I would have liked the way they practice today.

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Speaker 3: With a day off here, a day off there, you're

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Speaker 3: you're definitely always gonna have your teaching moments. You're you're

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I think this is a much better

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Speaker 3: teaching situation. The only thing that I probably would like

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Speaker 3: with the collective bargaining agreements, and I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of coaches run scared as well, younger coaches, because they

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Speaker 3: don't want to if they lose a guy now in

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Speaker 3: I do think that sometimes when we protect guys and

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Speaker 3: Ready cardiovascular and all that stuff, all that high tech

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it. It's New Age football, but it

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Speaker 1: FYI disclosure wives. We're taping this Wednesday following Wednesday's practice,

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Speaker 1: which now means the Colts have practiced nine times to

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Speaker 1: All Star Arts with quarterback play. Anthony Richardson is out here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there will still be some bumps in the road.

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Speaker 1: Where that rookie year two point zero is probably going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's so excited about this offense with Richardson coming

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Speaker 3: So Far, Well, it's frightening if you're a defensive coordinator

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Speaker 3: and I use the term all the time, two ambient players.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about two ambient talents, guys that keep you

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Speaker 3: I still think he's the best running back in the league.

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Speaker 3: two of those things just start with. You have elite guys,

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Speaker 3: what I see is you're gonna have a nine man

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Speaker 3: for about three quarters of that practice stop it hurts,

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Speaker 1: So because those guys are just playmakers.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I think that Mitchell is really so

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Speaker 3: hope it's not serious because those two guys could re

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Speaker 1: Part of it is Mitchell giving this offense what you

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Speaker 1: back in April that was your biggest priority for this

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Speaker 2: I will say this, he will give it to us.

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Speaker 3: There may be some again, bumps in a road, and

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Speaker 2: So now we'll see.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's switch over to the defense. The defense,

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Speaker 3: And you know I've said all along, and we've already

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Speaker 3: cutting down the point total on defense, okay, and that's

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Speaker 1: If you're giving up twenty four and your twentieth, you can't.

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Speaker 3: no matter how good or batter I'm keeping the game

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Speaker 1: Think that's blitz pressure.

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Speaker 3: kidded you last year. They broke my record from like

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Speaker 3: blitzed every down. I'm like, holy cow, I can't. I'd

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Speaker 3: confident what they're gonna get. And we have tremendous blitzers

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's really those three issues if

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's go layer by layer. Then within

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean really and truly it was a good

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Speaker 3: think what I see in a lot too is true.

436
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 3: You know, terrific ceiling. He's you know, he's he's incredible

437
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:31,919
Speaker 3: in it. He's I try to compare him, but I

438
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 3: can't because he's six ' five. Most six ' five

439
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 3: guys are power forwards, you know, they're they're their edge guys,

440
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 3: but their their speed to power. He has lightning speed

441
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 3: off the edge. He plays faster than his forty time,

442
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 3: great takeoff. He has slap hands. They're not powerful yet

443
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 3: and that's where he's got to improve. But he does

444
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 3: have good slap hands, and he's got great fluidability.

445
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,119
Speaker 2: He can come and he can cut the edge. You know.

446
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 3: One of the underrated things about towards is cutting the

447
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 3: edge guys, because if you don't, you just get run

448
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 3: by people. I would say, the biggest thing that he

449
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 3: has got to acquire because guys will get used to him,

450
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 3: they'll get in your rhythm, is he's got to learn

451
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 3: how to turn some speed to power sometimes when he

452
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 3: gets that soft set for his speed, be able to

453
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 3: come down or you either you either have to be

454
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 3: able to go speed to power like Mathis could, or

455
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 3: you have to have a great counter move like Freedie had.

456
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 2: Which was the spin move. You're not going to develop that.

457
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 3: That's that's instinctive withd what but I'm saying, but he

458
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 3: has that upside, So I mean, I think that's what

459
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 3: you're looking for.

460
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Speaker 2: Now.

461
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 3: What I've seen with him is against Freeland and the rest,

462
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 3: he just kills him and they can't block him. That's

463
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 3: why we shut down two minute drills. It's with Freeling.

464
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 3: But he has disappeared some against against I call him

465
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 3: the killer bees Bernie and Braden. I mean, he hasn't

466
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 3: been as effective and that's why I think the more

467
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: they can get him on those two guys every day

468
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 3: so he gets that feel for what top NFL tackles are,

469
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: the better.

470
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 2: But I think you're going to be okay there.

471
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: I think the pass rush with the combination of Buckner

472
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 3: and uh and then some of our interior linemen are

473
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Speaker 3: our better pass rush than run defenders. I have one

474
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: concern I think I mentioned to you off air. I

475
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 3: am I am a little concerned about ray Kwon Davis

476
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 3: because I thought I thought that was an under the

477
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,479
Speaker 3: radar good move by us, not for the rush, but

478
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 3: to spell Grover. Spell Grover at times or if he

479
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 3: got nicked. Like I mean, we really struggle. I mean,

480
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: we couldn't stop a nosebleed on the run. I mean

481
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 3: when Grover went out and I thought, well, when we

482
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Speaker 3: got ray Kwan, you know, he will be a run stopper.

483
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: He's not like all the Olympians because Chris he drafts

484
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 3: those Olympians. There are all guys that can run. But

485
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 3: we also don't have that big smasher inside. Now, our

486
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 3: starters are great. I mean, Grover, he's so good, you know,

487
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 3: and then you you know, and you you put him

488
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 3: and Buckner together. So I see Dio being a guy

489
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Speaker 3: now that could play inside or outside.

490
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Speaker 2: You know.

491
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Speaker 3: I think I think definitely that Lou has to step up.

492
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: Taikwan young kid, But I mean I think we'll be

493
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Speaker 3: good in the front.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again just heads up. At the time of

495
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: this conversation, right now, Rakwon Davis has not yet practiced

496
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Speaker 1: with the Colts. And again where nine practice is in

497
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: as we sit here and talk. Now he's got high

498
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: blood pressure and hasn't stepped foot on the game field

499
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: or the practice field in eleven or eleven work with

500
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Speaker 1: the Colts. But I want to double back to Lot

501
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: too with with Epicom's injury, Rick, does that change what

502
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: the role is for a lot too or does that

503
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: change what the cults need out of him?

504
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Speaker 3: I don't answer any question about it. I think you

505
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: could have probably nursed him along a little with ebucon

506
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: here and kind of let him get his feet wet.

507
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 3: I think now you have to accelerate the accelerate the development.

508
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: I think you got to have him ready for Houston.

509
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the secondary. The Colts are

510
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Speaker 1: moving Julian black from He's all around, you know, based

511
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: on the day that you're out here watching practice. That's

512
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: kind of the big story in the secondary right now

513
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: is where is Julian Blackman. Where's number thirty two? Some

514
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: days he's had free safety, some days he's had strong safety,

515
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: and some days he's he's playing both and they're intermixing

516
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: a lot of different guys with him, between Rodney Thomas

517
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: and Ronnie Harrison and Nick Cross. So let's start with

518
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Speaker 1: Blackman before we get to everybody else. Rick, Where is

519
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Speaker 1: Blackman's best fit in this defense based on the personnel

520
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 1: to match him up with?

521
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I mean, I think he's a

522
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Speaker 2: pro bowler and waiting. I love him.

523
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Speaker 3: I think he's a terrific player. I think he can

524
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: play the pass. I think he can go sideline to sidelines.

525
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 3: He'll knock your head off. I mean, he's got explosiveness.

526
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 3: You know, his corner background. He's never scared of a

527
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 3: wide receiver coming down the middle. I mean, and that's

528
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: rare safety. I mean, I think black Man again, and

529
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Speaker 3: the only thing that stopped him is the injury bugaboo personally,

530
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Speaker 3: And I've kind of felt that way for two years

531
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Speaker 3: because I just look at the game that I want

532
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Speaker 3: my best athlete in a deep part of the field.

533
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Speaker 2: I mean, if we if.

534
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Speaker 3: We were going to make a move for a top

535
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: free safety, okay, then you could play black Men up there.

536
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Speaker 3: But I just feel like you got to play with

537
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Speaker 3: our team presently. As it stands, black Men's got to

538
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: be the free safety because mistakes we talked.

539
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: About earlyer those that's where those mistakes, takes are, you know,

540
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Speaker 1: because they're going to hurt you the mass at free

541
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Speaker 1: safety more than strong side.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was really a Cross fan when we

543
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Speaker 3: even going into last year. I thought, you know, let's

544
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Speaker 3: give it to him, let's let him play. But he's

545
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: just lacked the reliability. He'll flash, but then there's that mistake,

546
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Speaker 3: and a mistake in the back end is fatal. I

547
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: mean it's six points. We saw it at Houston. I mean,

548
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: so to me, I would much rather have black men

549
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Speaker 3: be my last, you know, my last line of defense

550
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 3: and then patch the strong safety, whether it's Cross, you know,

551
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 3: whoever it is. And then I think if you do that,

552
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Speaker 3: I think Rodney Thomas then becomes a much better player

553
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Speaker 3: for you because I think he's a guy that is

554
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: a he's a hybrid and you know he's played linebackers,

555
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: played safety, but he can play around that box. See

556
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: that's the old kind of strong safety. And I think

557
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: you can structure your defense that way and then you

558
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: kind of eliminate a liability. But you just can't have

559
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: a liability in that deep back end.

560
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Speaker 1: All right, after two weeks of camp, let's go to

561
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Speaker 1: the corners, Rick, Well, what's your conference level and that

562
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: young group of corners that are going to play out

563
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: there in mainly sub package situations, nickel packages. Kenny Moore

564
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: is obviously one of the best nickel corners in the game.

565
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Speaker 1: But yeah, where are you with Brents and Flowers and Jalen.

566
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we separate Kenny. Kenny is a you know, an elite.

567
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Speaker 3: Kenny is a guy in a conversation for the top

568
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Speaker 3: nickel in the league.

569
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Speaker 2: So I mean you know that.

570
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Speaker 3: And with Blackman at freestay to him at nickel, You're

571
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: pretty good in the core, really, and our linebackers are

572
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: athletics so good there. I probably probably a broken record

573
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Speaker 3: on this. I still have. I'm still a little ambiguous

574
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Speaker 3: at the corner. I like certain things about them, and

575
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 3: I would play them differently than we've been playing them,

576
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: and I hope we do. I think that they can

577
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: be solid if we utilize what they can do best,

578
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 3: and that is get up and press people. You've got

579
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: two kids in Jones and and Brents that have real

580
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: length length and they're tough and they're competitive as all

581
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 3: get out. I mean, they really are. The only thing

582
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: they're not is they're not fast, and that can catch

583
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 3: up with you. And the one thing when you have

584
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 3: what I call speed deficient corners, you want to let

585
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 3: them win at the line of scrimmage, and sometimes you

586
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 3: back them up with the safety. You don't always just

587
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: leave them out there. But what's tough is when you

588
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: got them off and they're playing that indecisive coverage, if

589
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: you get one step on them, they're not catching up.

590
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 3: It's just it's reality. And so I think schematically we

591
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: could make them better. Okay, but you know, I get

592
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: a little concerned and I go back to Mitchell on

593
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 3: this and I give him the plus. But on the

594
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: other side, he's had he's had a PI on Brentston,

595
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: he's had a PI on Jones. Now they don't you

596
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 3: don't notice that because they don't mark it off. You know,

597
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: we go to the next play. But those things bothered

598
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: me a little bit. So again I think combination scheme

599
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 3: and I think we can be all right there. But

600
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Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm not I'm not going to say

601
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: I'm not a little concerned.

602
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about that. All right, let's close it

603
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: out here. Let's talk about Sunday. I always like asking

604
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: you this question, because preseason is preseason. You're watching the

605
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: game differently than you know, I think just the common

606
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: fan obviously for you. What makes Sunday in that first

607
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: preseason game a success for the Colts?

608
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: Well, to me, the all preseason games, but primarily the

609
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: first one. There's two games within the games. Now, I

610
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: haven't heard yet what Shane is gonna do. I hope

611
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: he does what he did last year and let the

612
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: starters play about three series. I really do, including Richardson,

613
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: not so much the running back.

614
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: But last year it was three three series, and then

615
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: I think guys like Michael Pittman and Anthony Richardson right

616
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: around thirty snaps.

617
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, and I would love I think that's necessary

618
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: because with the Cardinals coming in, that's gonna be fluid.

619
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Speaker 3: And so the way I look at it, two games

620
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: within the game, and I score it different I score

621
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: it by quarters, you get seven points, three points, two points,

622
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: one point. I totally score it differently because the game

623
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: has to be way different if you want to really

624
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: evaluate where your team is.

625
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: But I've always wanted my starters.

626
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: To be on fire. I've always wanted my starters. If

627
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: it's thirty plays, they win their thirty plays. Not good, yeah,

628
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: not not schematically, but go out and play and win

629
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: your one on ones and win your stuff. And I

630
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: think with Richardson coming back, we want him, we want

631
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: him to be on fire. We want him, we want

632
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: to jump start, and we want our defense to dominate

633
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: them in thirty thirty minutes because those guys get all

634
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: the reps. That's who you're gonna play with against Houston.

635
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: So you want that part of it. I always pressure

636
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: with my guys. You know you're part of the game.

637
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: You gotta win. Now the rest of it, what you

638
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: want to see is you want to see particularly guys

639
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: you don't know that much about your young kids. A

640
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: lot to Mitchell to start with, but all the rest

641
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 3: of those draft picks, and you know, all the rest

642
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: of the guys that we've brought in underrafted free agents

643
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: and all that. I've always said, show me, flash ability,

644
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: to me, show me why you're here. Put it on tape.

645
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: When the lights come on. I don't expect you to

646
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: be refined. I don't expect the game to be refined.

647
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy. You know how that fourth quarter is.

648
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 3: We've done it all the time. You get a quarterback

649
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: that can run around, you know. I mean, our kid

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Speaker 3: has been mister a Sam for four years. He's had

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Speaker 3: a job for four years.

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Speaker 1: On Sam Ellinger is completing seventy season passed.

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Speaker 2: I no, no, no, no, it's recorded.

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Speaker 1: But so he's looked fantastic.

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Speaker 3: So again, to me, it's that first crew go out

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Speaker 3: there and win and look like I really top NFL football,

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Speaker 3: and then the rest of it, to me, is really

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Speaker 3: more evaluation who you know, it's it's at the end

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Speaker 3: of the first game, and really even the first regular

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Speaker 3: season game is a little bit like this. Sure they're

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Speaker 3: baseline games. You're you're looking to create your baselines. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we're not good enough here, we're not good enough here,

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Speaker 3: We're going to be okay there, and then then you

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Speaker 3: start the process, you know, and really until you tackle

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Speaker 3: in football. You know, one thing I learned in two

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Speaker 3: twenty two, I relearned I should have known. I shouldn't

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Speaker 3: have had to learn.

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Speaker 1: I was right there with you forty years in there.

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Speaker 3: In my fortieth training camp. I'm learning, but you know,

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Speaker 3: I gave too much credit to practice. And you know

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Speaker 3: the thing about it is when you're not bringing guys

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Speaker 3: both offensive defense, you know, you just you can't judge

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Speaker 3: it all right.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, kind of putting you on the spot here a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Is there a player or a group of

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Speaker 1: players that you want to see show out on Sunday

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Speaker 1: that you're you're kind of targeting or for you, I

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Speaker 1: want to see what this guy looks like against another

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Speaker 1: team and see what their claim is for.

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Speaker 3: A rosters I'm gonna give you a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a layer here, Okay, Okay, I'm gonna give you two

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Speaker 3: plus two Okay, to me, tremendously important.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking for Lay two and Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: I mean because I think those guys must and can

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Speaker 3: and will have instant impact to the twenty four colts.

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Speaker 3: I think I think their home run picks, but they

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Speaker 3: got to go out and play with the lights on,

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Speaker 3: and so to me, that's one in one A. And

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Speaker 3: then beyond that the two kids I'm most interested because

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Speaker 3: I think they can impact us in different ways.

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Speaker 2: Is the rookies Carlisle's.

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Speaker 3: And Gould, Yeah, Anthony Gould and you know, and maybe

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Speaker 3: it's a special, it's definitely special. Teams with should But

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Speaker 3: Carlis is a guy that I think, you know is

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Speaker 3: I think that was a really good pick. It's a

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Speaker 3: position move, but it's the right kind of position move.

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Speaker 3: And he's he's shown me a little bit out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's looked really good. Yeah, Missouri guy from the

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Speaker 1: safety position now playing linebacker. Kind of the same vein

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Speaker 1: as Ronnie Harrison. He's got the position flexibility to do

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Speaker 1: it and the athleticism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I've always said, when you you know, my experience

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Speaker 3: over these God, this is my forty third training camp,

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Speaker 3: but my my experience over time is when you take

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Speaker 3: a guy and you make the major position move, you know,

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Speaker 3: you either want to do one of two things. You

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Speaker 3: want to move him up, you move him from back

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Speaker 3: to front, which they did, or you move him from

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Speaker 3: outside to end. Because what you've done now with Carlis

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Speaker 3: is you had a guy maybe four five, two forty

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Speaker 3: at safety, which is okay, you know, it's all right,

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Speaker 3: But now he's a four or five linebacker. You know,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you totally change the skill set.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Rick Vin Terry right there inside Football. We are

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Speaker 1: back on the podcast. My man always love having you

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Speaker 1: on these and I know the fans crave you know,

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Speaker 1: the knowledge, your perception of the game. So it's great

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Speaker 1: to have you back.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's great to be back with you, Matt.

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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna really look forward to we really getting

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Speaker 3: a radio booth together. I mean, we've done so many

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Speaker 3: things together. I think we can finish one another's sentences.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of where we're at. But we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to wait on that. We got about three weeks before

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Speaker 1: that episode. Yeah, Rick Venturi, as we said back in

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Speaker 1: the TV booth, this upcoming Sunday, Rick and Greg Raichstrow

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Speaker 1: have you on the TV call there Overton on the sidelines,

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Speaker 1: but Joe Wrights and I have you on the radio

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Speaker 1: call this Sunday. Joe, writes the former offensive lineman. He

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Speaker 1: is fantastic at what he does as well, by the way,

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Speaker 1: in terms of radio and our coverage on Sunday. Sunday's

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Speaker 1: game starts at one. The pregame huddle begins at ten

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Speaker 1: am with JMV and Joe Wrights will be out there

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Speaker 1: as well along with Bill Brooks. They've got you on

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Speaker 1: the pregame huddle and Touchdowntown starting at ten am at

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Speaker 1: the Stadium, then countdown to kickoff starts at noon with myself,

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Speaker 1: Rick and Casey Valier, then Colts and Broncos at one.

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Speaker 1: Then after the game it's the Colts fifth quarter huddle

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Speaker 1: with Greg and Bill, and then on the flagship radio

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Speaker 1: stations in Indianapolis as well with that one seven, five

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Speaker 1: ninety seven to one HANKFM, and then all along the

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Speaker 1: Ascension Saint Vincent Radio network our network coverage on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and then after the game checking out JJ Stangovitz and

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Speaker 1: Bill Brooks. They're back as well on Instant Reaction. The

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Speaker 1: Instant Reaction podcast returns on Colts dot Com, the Colts

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Speaker 1: Mobile app, and the Colts Audio Network after the game

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Speaker 1: for instant breakdown of what you saw between the Colts

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Speaker 1: and the Broncos on Sunday. For Rick Vin Terry, I'm

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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor. Thanks for listening to this first edition of

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Speaker 1: Inside Football here in the season, and Rick and I

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Speaker 1: will be back next week breaking it all down, getting

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Speaker 1: our thoughts and what you saw between the Colts and

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Speaker 1: the Broncos. And we're on to week number two next

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Speaker 1: week Colts and Cardinals with our reactions as well from

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Speaker 1: joint practices between the Colts and Arizona as well, but

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Speaker 1: until next week. Thanks for listening everybody, and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you next time here on Inside Football, the Colts

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