Speaker 1: H I don't see you guys for a week now,
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a a Danielle and Ryder's eye
Speaker 1: hole in my I.
Speaker 2: Know right, I've missed you. Howf you goes been? What
Speaker 2: did you?
Speaker 3: Did?
Speaker 2: You cry every day without me? Okay? No, no, no, okay?
Speaker 2: But what have you been up to? H? Sweet? Sweet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been podcast walk his dog, my dog.
Speaker 4: He's had conversations with his wife where the asked me
Speaker 4: to do I talk my wife a lot?
Speaker 1: No, We're we're currently taking multiple bids for some serious
Speaker 1: construction at our house, so we're getting ready for craziness.
Speaker 2: How'd the closet reno go?
Speaker 4: It's awesome?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, we've got this big, big, huge,
Speaker 1: walking kind of kind of situation.
Speaker 2: You get to go shopping for what?
Speaker 1: Oh god, No, it's just the clothes that I do
Speaker 1: have now aren't in a giant pile on the floor.
Speaker 4: It's the same clothes from Boybys World, like something for me.
Speaker 4: I stick with them.
Speaker 1: The I got rid of them when they literally no
Speaker 1: no longer hold the shape of clothing.
Speaker 4: That's when I get rid of them.
Speaker 2: All right, that's when it's too much? Yeah, right, or
Speaker 2: what have you been up to?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I don't know. We went to nineties cons.
Speaker 6: It was really good. It was really it was actually
Speaker 6: like a different crew. There was like the Scream people
Speaker 6: and some nine o two one oho folks. Uh yeah,
Speaker 6: I'd never met I mean I'd met Brian Austin Green,
Speaker 6: but I never really talked to him, and he's like
Speaker 6: a great guy, and so Leigh Moonfry, who I hadn't
Speaker 6: seen for years.
Speaker 4: It was great.
Speaker 6: It was such a good time, Like it was actually
Speaker 6: not not expected. I was like, oh, we're doing nineties
Speaker 6: con again, it's gonna at this at the point it's
Speaker 6: going to be winding down and not a big deal.
Speaker 4: And instead the.
Speaker 1: Crowd was huge.
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 6: It's like, wow, people really want time travel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we ave the nineties. It's so weird, Like it
Speaker 4: was a lot of fun. It was. It was a
Speaker 4: lot of fun, huge crowds. Like yeah, writer said.
Speaker 1: The thing that was weird about this year was we
Speaker 1: were on the floor so much that I almost didn't
Speaker 1: see anybody else, Like it was never in the green room.
Speaker 4: With everybody where we normally hang out and kind of talk.
Speaker 1: So yeah, my dad was there and oh, Okay, first
Speaker 1: of all because of the podcast, so tons of people
Speaker 1: coming up talking about the podcast like how much they
Speaker 1: loved it. And my dad was there and people were going,
Speaker 1: is that the captain? Can I take a picture with
Speaker 1: the captain? So my dad was taking pictures with people.
Speaker 1: But he was so happy sitting there taking pictures and
Speaker 1: people were calling the captain.
Speaker 4: He loved it. So my flight home I was a
Speaker 4: complete disaster, wasn't.
Speaker 6: We got on one plane, had to get off and
Speaker 6: you know, get on another plane, change whatever, Like I
Speaker 6: did all the things wrong. Will, like I know you
Speaker 6: always go like to work flight and that's why you
Speaker 6: were flying out a box, right, Okay, So I didn't
Speaker 6: get home till like four in the morning.
Speaker 4: It was a nightmare, except it was me and the
Speaker 4: Lawrence brothers. Yeah, the best time. It was somebody like
Speaker 4: I haven't.
Speaker 6: Talked to Joe like forever, like since we were teenagers basically,
Speaker 6: and for whatever reason, the three of us just bonded
Speaker 6: and were laughing and telling stories and I.
Speaker 4: Was like, oh, I'm the fourth Lawrence brother I felt.
Speaker 6: So it was like, it's okay, it's at an airport
Speaker 6: where like having a tran and yet every and what
Speaker 6: the best part is like people would recognize one of
Speaker 6: us and not the others, so they'd be like they'd
Speaker 6: come up to me and be like hey, in the
Speaker 6: hand of the camera to Matt and be like take
Speaker 6: a picture, or they just recognized Joe and hand camera
Speaker 6: to me, but like can you take a bit?
Speaker 4: And we're like what that was? Like, yeah, so was
Speaker 4: this in force? It was this in Bradley. Were you
Speaker 4: at the airport in Hartford? Is this week? Then we
Speaker 4: got stuck in Dallas, So we were stuck in Dallas
Speaker 4: for it worth for like you.
Speaker 3: Know, three hours or whatever.
Speaker 6: But I'm telling you, like, I you know, I've obviously
Speaker 6: seen Matt a bunch, but I haven't hung out with
Speaker 6: Andy and Joey and like they're great, you know. And
Speaker 6: also just like talking to Joey about being a dad,
Speaker 6: like it's a very different like we just haven't caught
Speaker 6: up and it was so fun and I yeah, I
Speaker 6: just I love those guys and like, yeah, they're genuinely
Speaker 6: friendly to everybody around them, Like they don't stop, like
Speaker 6: they just are like and it's so fun to be
Speaker 6: part of that bubble as you're like going through airports
Speaker 6: and like running into people because everybody loves them and
Speaker 6: they're so.
Speaker 4: Kind to everybody. Yes, it was really fun. It was
Speaker 4: really good time.
Speaker 7: I'm glad you guys had a good time. I'm sad
Speaker 7: that I missed it. I was directing. I was doing
Speaker 7: the other thing that I love. I was directing a
Speaker 7: TV show for Disney Channel called How We Became the
Speaker 7: Biggest Band. It was so much fun. But I did
Speaker 7: miss you guys. I had a little bit of fomo.
Speaker 2: You guys did a fun panel.
Speaker 7: At nineties Cone, right, it was like a ninetyggh was.
Speaker 4: That it was good. It was good.
Speaker 1: It was one of those things so where it was
Speaker 1: you know, I prefer personally panels where you just kind
Speaker 1: of you talk for five minutes and you open it
Speaker 1: up to questions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we did the opposite.
Speaker 1: We spoke for forty minutes and then we had five
Speaker 1: minutes left for questions.
Speaker 4: We got two questions in and we went. But you know,
Speaker 4: it's fun.
Speaker 1: You're we're on the panel and it's myself and Rider
Speaker 1: and Solet and Juliel.
Speaker 8: Fun.
Speaker 1: But it was it was just kind of fun to
Speaker 1: be with everybody and talk about different experiences, and it
Speaker 1: was it was a really fun weekend and it's you know,
Speaker 1: I get to go home that Mike exactly claim in Hartford,
Speaker 1: So it's a great place.
Speaker 4: Nice, Danielle. Did you get to do like, are there
Speaker 4: musical insequences in the I.
Speaker 2: Got to shoot a whole music video?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Cool?
Speaker 5: Was it?
Speaker 2: It was so much fun. It was truly so incredible.
Speaker 7: So the first week I was there, I was a
Speaker 7: little like gobsmacked by how fast it moves, because it
Speaker 7: moves real.
Speaker 2: Fast, as in so fast.
Speaker 7: You only have two hours of rehearsal on the first day,
Speaker 7: and you do a producer's run through on the first
Speaker 7: day with two hours as wow, because they for three days,
Speaker 7: so they shoot Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
Speaker 2: So Monday morning, no audience.
Speaker 7: Monday morning you do a production meeting, a table read,
Speaker 7: then the kids go to school and then you start
Speaker 7: rehearsal at noon and you do rehearsal until two and
Speaker 7: then you do a two thirty pm.
Speaker 4: Run through and ea, oh my god.
Speaker 7: And then on day two you do a network run
Speaker 7: through and that day you only have three hours of rehearsal.
Speaker 7: So if the script doesn't change much between Monday and Tuesday,
Speaker 7: three hours on Tuesday you're like, what are we gonna
Speaker 7: do with all this time?
Speaker 2: Because does it changed?
Speaker 4: There's a script kind of lockdown.
Speaker 7: Well, my first week it didn't, So I came in
Speaker 7: like Rare and I saw my first day, I was
Speaker 7: like everyone had warm me, like the show moves really fast.
Speaker 7: And then on my first day I was like I
Speaker 7: was not prepared. So then the next day I came
Speaker 7: in like Rare in Togo and we ended up feeling
Speaker 7: like we had so much time because the script didn't
Speaker 7: change much. But then my second week, the script changed
Speaker 7: a lot, so much so that we didn't do.
Speaker 2: A producer run through on Monday.
Speaker 7: So we did a combo producer network run through on
Speaker 7: Tuesday with a brand new script with only three hours
Speaker 7: of rehearse.
Speaker 2: God, you're shooting the next day, no.
Speaker 6: Closers run through because the table read, they were like,
Speaker 6: we're just going to be working on We're just.
Speaker 7: Going to be working all day and there's no point
Speaker 7: in putting something on its feet that that we know
Speaker 7: is probably going to change. So we had you know
Speaker 7: so so and then you're shooting the next day. It's like, okay,
Speaker 7: you're shooting.
Speaker 1: I'm getting adjutve you just explaining what's happening, like I'm
Speaker 1: imagining the change, so I get oh geez.
Speaker 4: And so there are they new songs, like they have
Speaker 4: original songs.
Speaker 2: All the originals, and.
Speaker 4: They've recorded them ahead of the week, and then.
Speaker 7: You like, shoot yes, And they also have to learn choreography,
Speaker 7: like that's how much time I have for rehearsal and
Speaker 7: they're learning choreography in that time.
Speaker 2: Like, can we give the girls twenty minutes to go
Speaker 2: learn for full dance? Numbord's like yes, I think we
Speaker 2: can do that. We have no we have no other choice.
Speaker 4: These kids are working so hardly.
Speaker 2: They are working their butts off.
Speaker 7: But let me tell you the only reason that schedule
Speaker 7: is at all able to work is because they are
Speaker 7: so gosh darn talented and they are on their lines
Speaker 7: and they are taking risks and having fun and it's
Speaker 7: just beautiful. Like on my third week, because then you know,
Speaker 7: my third week, I'm like, I'm in it. I know
Speaker 7: exactly what we're doing. Everybody's in a nice groove. And
Speaker 7: one of the girls put on a performance for us.
Speaker 7: She had to play this totally different character and she
Speaker 7: just came out and she had so much confidence.
Speaker 2: And just nailed it, nailed everything.
Speaker 7: It's a big set, lots of crazy blocking where she's
Speaker 7: really vamping it up as this totally out of the
Speaker 7: box character.
Speaker 2: And I literally cried. I literally I cried. I cried
Speaker 2: watching it.
Speaker 7: I was like, I'm so proud of them. I'm so
Speaker 7: proud of them, Like what they are doing is amazing,
Speaker 7: and it was just incredible.
Speaker 4: Weeks is the show about like a girl group? Are they?
Speaker 1: Is it one of those things where it's almost like
Speaker 1: The Monkeys, where it's like they do it's a show,
Speaker 1: but then they also are a band that's together.
Speaker 4: Is that thing?
Speaker 7: It's a show called How We Became the Biggest Band,
Speaker 7: and it takes place in two time settings, a current
Speaker 7: day which is the future, where they're already the biggest
Speaker 7: band and they're eighteen years old and they're telling you
Speaker 7: how we got here. Most of the show then takes
Speaker 7: place in flashbacks showing you how they met correct, okay,
Speaker 7: how I met your mother?
Speaker 2: With a with a with a band?
Speaker 4: All the same cast or are there an adult version
Speaker 4: and a younger.
Speaker 7: The same cast, which is one of the reasons why
Speaker 7: it moves so fast.
Speaker 2: There is no B storyline. The B storyline is them in.
Speaker 4: The future show.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, there's no as of right now, there's no
Speaker 7: adults on the show. It's just four core cast members
Speaker 7: that are all miners, and so you're dealing with school schedules,
Speaker 7: and you know, all of the they also are playing
Speaker 7: instruments and like, you know, one of them is like
Speaker 7: learning guitar, so she's in music class. Diane or In
Speaker 7: is writing like half the songs. The music is incredible.
Speaker 7: It gets stuck in your head. We had to listen
Speaker 7: to it dozens of times. I wasn't sick of any
Speaker 7: of it, which is really saying something. It was just
Speaker 7: really great.
Speaker 2: It was really hardly it.
Speaker 1: Works because Disney does not is not really known for
Speaker 1: their musicals, especially if that take place in high school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's usually they don't do well.
Speaker 4: The old flops with Disney and musical those never work.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, Welcome to Pond Meets World. I'm
Speaker 2: Daniel Fishal, I'm righter strong.
Speaker 1: Ah oh if it, I'm sorry, audition, We're officially done.
Speaker 8: Damn it.
Speaker 7: It's been quite some time since the days of the
Speaker 7: Death Chair, the rotating season one child guest star who
Speaker 7: changed week to week but mostly pulled from the movie
Speaker 7: The Sandlot, and though we became used to seeing a
Speaker 7: familiar young face thrown into the mix, whether it's Marty
Speaker 7: Yorke as a best friend, Arianna Richards in a very
Speaker 7: special episode, or Andrew Keegan in Orlando, the show has
Speaker 7: since left the young stunt casting behind.
Speaker 2: To focus on us, the core cast of the show.
Speaker 7: So when we did have a new guest star firmly
Speaker 7: set in our age bracket, especially one from a ton
Speaker 7: of hit movies and TV shows, it was a big deal,
Speaker 7: and this week's guest is a prime example. He rose
Speaker 7: to fame as the comedic goalie in The Mighty Ducks,
Speaker 7: Greg Goldberg, an iconic role he'd revisit for an entire franchise,
Speaker 7: but it was another Disney movie he'd star in, Heavyweights.
Speaker 2: That many of us hold nearest and.
Speaker 7: Dearest to our hearts. A bit of a child prodigy
Speaker 7: when it came to making people laugh, he began his
Speaker 7: career in one of the coolest places ever, Pee Wee's Playhouse,
Speaker 7: and he went on to appear on shows like Sabrina,
Speaker 7: Freaks and Geeks, The King of Queen's and Yes, Boy
Speaker 7: Meets World, where he played Louis a new college friend
Speaker 7: that appeared in two season six episodes, and beyond the
Speaker 7: hilarious work he's done on screen, he has also become
Speaker 7: an inspiration for those dealing with addiction, honest and open
Speaker 7: about his own struggles, still using humor to cope and
Speaker 7: connect with those online looking for motivation. So this week
Speaker 7: on Podmets World, let's get into the flying V for
Speaker 7: Sean Weiss.
Speaker 2: Look at your beautiful background.
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 3: Is that gonna be okay? For the thing?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You look great? Where are you?
Speaker 3: Thank you? I'm in Georgia. I got to Georgia like
Speaker 3: two months ago. I moved here. Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there are trees in Georgia.
Speaker 3: Breathing fresh air is like I didn't even know.
Speaker 2: I wasn't right I'm doing it.
Speaker 3: Started, Yeah, it's you know, I was.
Speaker 5: I was really kind of emotional, somebody.
Speaker 3: I was kind of emotional leaving la you know.
Speaker 5: I just always pictured myself living there, and from the
Speaker 5: moment I got there, I was in love with that place.
Speaker 3: So it was a little hard to go. But I
Speaker 3: love it here. I's I like that.
Speaker 2: Good for you. Thank you so much for doing this.
Speaker 7: It's so good to see you. Thank you so much
Speaker 7: for doing this. We want to start with where it
Speaker 7: all began for you. I know that you were an
Speaker 7: East Coast kid. You were out of New Jersey. So
Speaker 7: how did you convince your parents to start driving you
Speaker 7: to the city for auditions.
Speaker 5: Well, honestly, it was my it was my mom's idea, Okay,
Speaker 5: but it wasn't like my mom got me into it
Speaker 5: and forced me to do it.
Speaker 3: She got me into it, and then once I started,
Speaker 3: I mean I.
Speaker 5: Was hooked with the whole process of going on auditions
Speaker 5: and I got to skip school and stuff. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: was a very precocious kid, and I had older step
Speaker 5: brothers and stepsisters. They were in like years older, and
Speaker 5: they would get me to do crazy things like walk
Speaker 5: up to adults and give them the middle finger, you know,
Speaker 5: ask adults how their sex life is. When I was yeah,
Speaker 5: I was walking around saying these things that adults had
Speaker 5: made me say. And I guess I looked like I
Speaker 5: was sharp, right, and they could in show business, So
Speaker 5: it was you know, my mom took me to see
Speaker 5: a manager at one of these cattle calls and she
Speaker 5: just liked me, and very instantly I started doing commercials
Speaker 5: and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Wow, and I remember that.
Speaker 1: I just remember that circuit because we were on the
Speaker 1: same circuit back in the day. He was always seeing
Speaker 1: each other at auditions and you're just you're always with
Speaker 1: the same twenty five kids everywhere you go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you were one of the guys I used to
Speaker 5: see all the time. And then we did that show together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, True Blue.
Speaker 5: Well True Blue. I had to explain it to my fiance.
Speaker 5: I was like, it was kind of like a er
Speaker 5: but there was.
Speaker 3: A truck invall.
Speaker 7: Yes, let's talk about that because we'll mentioned that you
Speaker 7: guys worked together. He actually said you were like his
Speaker 7: very first actor friend.
Speaker 4: My onset buddy, my first onset buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well you were. I think that was one
Speaker 3: of my first like TV jobs me too.
Speaker 4: It was my first ever TV show.
Speaker 3: Dude. You were so nice. And here was the thing
Speaker 3: we were.
Speaker 5: We shot this thing out on top of a cliff, yep,
Speaker 5: and it was very dangerous, right and not freezing.
Speaker 4: It was cold. Yeah, it was ice cold.
Speaker 5: You couldn't feel your toes and if we moved in
Speaker 5: the wrong direction, it was like.
Speaker 9: Exactly, hey, kids, you're fine, just walk up to the
Speaker 9: edge of this cliff and it don't But we're going
Speaker 9: to pay you to do it.
Speaker 3: So I remember that day.
Speaker 5: Oddly enough, I remember that day better than I do
Speaker 5: stuff that happened two weeks ago. But I remember you
Speaker 5: were like very protective of me and very like really
Speaker 5: helping me not fall off that cliff, and so I
Speaker 5: got I found out kind of the guy you were
Speaker 5: very early, and meeting up with you years later, you
Speaker 5: really never changed and I appreciated that well.
Speaker 4: I you were my first onset friend. We had a blast.
Speaker 1: I remember it being freezing cold, and then one scene
Speaker 1: we have to cross a river and I hear splash
Speaker 1: and I look behind me and you had fallen into
Speaker 1: the river like all like up to your neck, and
Speaker 1: they pulled pulled you out, and we're like trying. Everyone's
Speaker 1: warming you up, and the putting in front of heaters,
Speaker 1: and then after that like all right, great, get on
Speaker 1: the edge of the cliff, and it was just it
Speaker 1: was and then they remember we shot. They they brought
Speaker 1: us to that stage and they built the cave and
Speaker 1: it was all this smoke they were pumping in and
Speaker 1: all this peat.
Speaker 4: I was just I would be blowing my nose for
Speaker 4: weeks with just all this black coming out like it
Speaker 4: was bad.
Speaker 1: This is New York in the eighties where they were like,
Speaker 1: just do it, kid, just doing fine. They handed me
Speaker 1: at one point, with no prep whatsoever, they handed me
Speaker 1: a fully loaded AK forty seven.
Speaker 4: Who were you guys playing?
Speaker 3: Were you criminals this story? Did you remember?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: It was like the drug dealer that was after us
Speaker 5: because we found his stash and stash so we found
Speaker 5: was like an AK forty seven.
Speaker 4: Oh so that's the thing is we find that.
Speaker 1: We leave our school field trip at the Cloisters and
Speaker 1: we go down. Robert Mitcham's son Chris Mitcham plays the
Speaker 1: bad guy, and we find this cave and I find
Speaker 1: an AK forty seven and I go hey, and I
Speaker 1: spray the cave and there's a.
Speaker 4: Huge cave in which blocks him off.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I then get beaten up and thrown off the cliff
Speaker 1: by the drug dealer and still no, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: fall like thirty feet down.
Speaker 4: They put makeup on me.
Speaker 1: My head's broken open all stuff, and so truck one,
Speaker 1: which is what the show used to be called, shows up,
Speaker 1: and it's all these really good looking actors. It's like
Speaker 1: Grant Show from Melrose Place before he's on Melrose Place
Speaker 1: and Ali Walker and all these people like repelling down
Speaker 1: to get me and then they've got to go bury
Speaker 1: dig him out of the cave.
Speaker 4: It was like it was intense, man.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: Listen no stunt doubles anywhere for the first time seeing
Speaker 5: a squid go off right next to my head and
Speaker 5: be like, I probably shouldn't get too close to that thing.
Speaker 7: Both of you were both such talented young comedians. So
Speaker 7: despite whatever crazy circumstances, I bet this movie is incredible.
Speaker 3: Want to watch it now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's on It's on YouTube. It's an episode called
Speaker 4: Caves True Blue.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, my evening entertainment.
Speaker 7: To write that down, it would be difficult to beat
Speaker 7: you for best first job. You were a recurring character
Speaker 7: on Pee Wee's Playhouse, So I mean you shared the
Speaker 7: screen with the legendary Paul Rubins. You probably sat on
Speaker 7: cherry right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get to do that.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 7: So what I mean it must have been like a
Speaker 7: dream like experience. What are some of the most unreal
Speaker 7: stories from set?
Speaker 5: It was. I mean, they really did a good job
Speaker 5: to create like a very fun, uh kid like atmosphere
Speaker 5: for us when we were on set, and I remember
Speaker 5: talking to, uh, the genie Phil Hartman.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, wasn't that Phil?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Was that Phil Hartman?
Speaker 4: That was Phil Hartman?
Speaker 1: Was the original genie on on Pee's Playhouse.
Speaker 3: I'm almost I don't know if that was the guy.
Speaker 5: I mean, I have to check down now, I have
Speaker 5: to check because that was Phil Hartman. Then I've got
Speaker 5: some crazy Phil Hartman memories. But what I mean, I
Speaker 5: remember just seeing the movie Pee's Big Adventure.
Speaker 3: Movie at that age, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Who was it, John Peck.
Speaker 5: John Paragot came so Phil did it like first, and
Speaker 5: then that guy came in.
Speaker 3: And did like.
Speaker 5: But anyway, I saw Peey's Big Adventure and found out
Speaker 5: I had an audition for this show. And I'm not
Speaker 5: sure that I really understood the difference between like real.
Speaker 3: Life and movies.
Speaker 4: So going on to.
Speaker 5: Pee Wee's, going on to the set there, it was
Speaker 5: really mind blowing. But what I do remember is I
Speaker 5: fell in love with like the trick of movie making.
Speaker 5: When I found out there was a guy sitting inside Cherry,
Speaker 5: I was like.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is so cool, and I really I really.
Speaker 5: Got enamored with that whole thing of like you know,
Speaker 5: making a camera tricks, you know what I mean, definitely
Speaker 5: one of the aspects that also you know, made me
Speaker 5: fall in love with the whole movie making things.
Speaker 3: So that was that was a crazy experience.
Speaker 5: One another memory that stands out one hundred percent is
Speaker 5: uh Laurence fishburn Lawrence Fishburne.
Speaker 3: Used to show us his tongue.
Speaker 5: And he had some kind of crazy thing where his
Speaker 5: tongue it looks like a lizard of what It's a
Speaker 5: big triangle with like wedges, and we were.
Speaker 3: Thinking of that.
Speaker 5: He'd be like, check this out, and he'd go and
Speaker 5: the thing would come out to hear and wave around.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Definitely something never party trick was not on my card today.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, stuck out for sure. If I ever meet him,
Speaker 5: you see him and I haven't seen him since, but
Speaker 5: if I ever see him again.
Speaker 2: He'd be like, I have a memory. I'm going to
Speaker 2: need to make sure correct.
Speaker 4: That I didn't just dream this.
Speaker 3: That's the thing too, what of my mind's just playing tricks.
Speaker 4: On me and has a totally normal tongue.
Speaker 1: I have a question was was there did did Paul
Speaker 1: Rubens break character.
Speaker 4: On the set or was he always Peek. He was
Speaker 4: always pee Wee, right, he was.
Speaker 5: Always Peee, but a very quick story to kind of
Speaker 5: give you an idea of the kind of guy he was.
Speaker 3: So I got the audition and it's it's.
Speaker 5: Tomorrow, and I stayed up all night memorizing my five lines,
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna do a scene with pee.
Speaker 3: Wee the next day.
Speaker 5: My mom schleps me into New York, like a three
Speaker 5: hour trip, and there's all the waiting, and you know,
Speaker 5: it's five hours before I'm in a room with the guy,
Speaker 5: and mind Joe only sticks. So I get into the
Speaker 5: room and uh, Paul there, but he's not in character.
Speaker 3: He's just Paul Rubens and he's got a beard and.
Speaker 5: He has glasses, and I just I didn't believe it
Speaker 5: was him. And so they kept telling me that's Paul,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, listen, I know him only six right, I.
Speaker 4: Know pee Wee. When I see pee Wee, that ain't
Speaker 4: pee Wee.
Speaker 5: And so I gave them such a hard time because
Speaker 5: I was this kind of kid, you know. And so
Speaker 5: Paul left the room for about half hour however.
Speaker 3: Long, and transformed himself into Pewee.
Speaker 5: Everything costume and came back into the room as Peeley
Speaker 5: so that I could the audition, and I told him,
Speaker 5: I said, Peeley, I just got to let you know
Speaker 5: before you got here, there was some guy and he's
Speaker 5: telling everybody that he was you.
Speaker 3: And Paul said, yeah, that was Paul. He does that
Speaker 3: to everybody.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Yeah he says that to people.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: That's oh God, make me feel comfortable.
Speaker 2: I love that story.
Speaker 3: He's a real sweetheart.
Speaker 4: You just, Daniel, You didn't even realize what you just did.
Speaker 2: What you just did the peewee tagline.
Speaker 4: I love that story.
Speaker 1: I love that's just straight upline.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 7: So then John, were you coming out out to l
Speaker 7: A for pilot season? And then if you did come
Speaker 7: out to l A, were you staying at the oak Woods?
Speaker 3: I did do an oak Wood.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course he was.
Speaker 3: That was all in New York.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: A couple of years later I came out and did
Speaker 5: the full l A pilot season at the oak Woods.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think I might have come out maybe three maybe
Speaker 5: three different times, three different occasions, all oak Woods.
Speaker 3: Maybe. Were you got oak Woods kids too?
Speaker 6: Of course?
Speaker 5: Where?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, of course you're just from California day.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we were from here, so we we had we
Speaker 7: lived here. I've lived here my whole life.
Speaker 3: I got so Will and Ryder.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety two, and nineteen
Speaker 10: ninety three because it was the first season A Boy.
Speaker 10: I was still at the Oapens living there for the
Speaker 10: first season The Boy's World.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ninety three, ninety four, So.
Speaker 6: You got boy out of while you were living in yep,
Speaker 6: while I was rollerblading around the oak Woods.
Speaker 4: Man, I was in the Z building my first year
Speaker 4: than the M building. Yeah, it's so quick.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's the oak Woods anymore.
Speaker 4: It's not. And there's no pilot season, so I went, now,
Speaker 4: it's just DIVORCEMN. So yeah, it's strained.
Speaker 5: I knew. I knew the tennis coach at the oak Woods.
Speaker 5: You know people that don't know. It's like a little
Speaker 5: city within a city, right, Yeah, And I knew the
Speaker 5: tennis coach and his main hustle was he would give
Speaker 5: free tennis lessons and he was friends with all of
Speaker 5: the hot child actors. When oak Wood ride up, I'm
Speaker 5: sure his you know, personal life did too.
Speaker 4: Funny.
Speaker 2: So after Pee Wee's Playhouse.
Speaker 7: You go into an arc on Webster, which is another
Speaker 7: slightly hallucinatory show. You played Herbert. What was your character.
Speaker 5: I think that was just you know, Webster had like
Speaker 5: a group of friends, and I was one of them
Speaker 5: and the other one was Miambiolic.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Yeah, it.
Speaker 5: Was me and Mim and all of the episodes that
Speaker 5: we were on, We're on a handful, we were kind
Speaker 5: of recurring and it was always me and her going
Speaker 5: on together.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 7: Similarly to p Emmanuel Lewis as Webster is like a
Speaker 7: real larger than life character to young jen xers.
Speaker 2: What was it like to work with him?
Speaker 5: I was like obsessed with the manual because I was
Speaker 5: a Michael Jackson fan and he used to go around
Speaker 5: with Michael all the time. Michael he would either bring
Speaker 5: an Emmanuel of the monkey bubbles.
Speaker 4: Bubbles.
Speaker 3: I don't know how he would pick.
Speaker 5: But it was a little odd because he was like
Speaker 5: an adult. So when we got on the show, like
Speaker 5: he wasn't the age he was playing. I guess he
Speaker 5: was playing eleven, but he was probably eighteen or nineteen
Speaker 5: right older.
Speaker 3: So he was very cool, but he didn't We didn't
Speaker 3: really spend a lot of time together because of.
Speaker 2: That, because he was an adult.
Speaker 3: But he was very nice and we still keep in touch.
Speaker 2: On that's great.
Speaker 3: Thanks God for Instagram. You know you can just drop anyone, Aline.
Speaker 3: I know it's it's a little annoying.
Speaker 5: As like from the celebrity standpoint, because you know, used
Speaker 5: to be had to write somebody a fan mail and
Speaker 5: you could ignore them.
Speaker 3: You can't do that anymore. You got to answer.
Speaker 7: Just before what would end up being your big break,
Speaker 7: you did an episode of The Cosby Show, completing a
Speaker 7: very surreal trilogy of first gigs. It is the biggest
Speaker 7: sitcom in the universe at the time.
Speaker 2: That job couldn't have been easy. What was that like?
Speaker 5: It was like, you want to talk about an energy
Speaker 5: pulsating that's tangible going on that set.
Speaker 3: It was like being in a part of something that.
Speaker 5: Was like alive and taking and such a beautiful energy
Speaker 5: there in New York. And the first day I went
Speaker 5: for my audition, I ran into Adam Sandler because he
Speaker 5: was on the show too, and I guess he was
Speaker 5: at the production office for some but I had a
Speaker 5: whole chat with Adam and got to be friends with
Speaker 5: him and didn't even know it was Adam Sandler. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so we Adam and I go back to you know
Speaker 5: whatever year that was, was that like nineteen eighty seven?
Speaker 2: Yes, what crazy?
Speaker 7: Okay, So let's get into Mighty Ducks. So then Mighty
Speaker 7: Ducks comes along and you would play the iconic Goldberg.
Speaker 7: What was that audition like, did you have any hockey experience?
Speaker 5: I had no hockey experience, but the character when I
Speaker 5: got the part, wasn't for a character named Goldberg, who
Speaker 5: was originally written to be a kid named a Tuk.
Speaker 3: And you only had one line in the whole movie.
Speaker 3: I'm the Tuk, the goalie.
Speaker 5: So when we got to training camp, I think the
Speaker 5: producers and you know they the writers, they got to
Speaker 5: know us a little better, and I suppose they figured
Speaker 5: with my big mouth, I'd be better suited, you know,
Speaker 5: making more remarks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with that dialogue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: When I get the part, it was just the one line,
Speaker 5: and it took us over six months of auditioning, and
Speaker 5: I must have been back five or six times.
Speaker 3: And you guys know how it is.
Speaker 5: You go in the room and they weren't giving me,
Speaker 5: giving me any notes or anything. So I was just
Speaker 5: going in the room and doing that, I took the
Speaker 5: goalie every time.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, wait, they brought you back that many
Speaker 1: times for just that one line.
Speaker 3: That one line.
Speaker 6: They were probably doing like tons of mix and match
Speaker 6: sessions and they were like, which which group of kids
Speaker 6: looks the best on camera?
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I think back, that had had to do
Speaker 3: what it was.
Speaker 7: Oh, so you're thrown into a hockey team, albeit it's
Speaker 7: a fictional one, but you're filming in Minnesota together.
Speaker 2: Did you guys have bonding.
Speaker 7: Exercises and all start to have that like real team connection?
Speaker 5: And I would say our bonding exercise was training camp
Speaker 5: because before the movie.
Speaker 3: They had to teach us liars who told them we
Speaker 3: knew how to play, And we did a camp, a
Speaker 3: training camp that was legit right.
Speaker 5: It was you know, eight in the morning till three
Speaker 5: every day and I think it was three months.
Speaker 2: So where did you Where were you staying?
Speaker 5: They put us off at like the fattest condominium situation
Speaker 5: you could ask for.
Speaker 3: It was nice working.
Speaker 5: It was my first like film, and it was awesome
Speaker 5: to do it for a big company like Disney.
Speaker 3: I thought that now they would all.
Speaker 11: Be yeah, yeah exactly, so yeah, we definitely so Not
Speaker 11: only did we have training camp, but we also did
Speaker 11: recreational stuff together.
Speaker 5: They would put us all in the duck bus and
Speaker 5: like take us to a movie or land. So we
Speaker 5: definitely I don't know about I can't speak for the
Speaker 5: other guys, but I definitely felt like I was really
Speaker 5: part of a team, and I think that really showed in.
Speaker 3: The in the film.
Speaker 5: I think that's what, you know, people can relate to that.
Speaker 5: That feeling kind of probably comes off screen.
Speaker 7: Do you love seeing people in Goldberg jerseys now so
Speaker 7: many years later?
Speaker 3: It never gets old? Danielle ye Old, Yeah, no, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: Did Emilio Estevez feel like your coach.
Speaker 3: Milo, That's a really good question.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he felt like a coach To me,
Speaker 5: he always just felt like a movie star, Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: because Amelio was a movie star at that time, and
Speaker 5: you know, he didn't he wasn't. It wasn't you know,
Speaker 5: his personality wasn't affected in that way. But he definitely
Speaker 5: had movie star energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had that presence.
Speaker 5: So when he was around, you know, I was always
Speaker 5: just kind of starstruck. I'll be honest with you, But
Speaker 5: he could not have been like any cooler or any
Speaker 5: you know, more down to earth and just an awesome
Speaker 5: guy to work with. He would do a couple of
Speaker 5: times he would rent out a movie theater and just.
Speaker 3: Have us all go to watch some movie together.
Speaker 5: He had a one come out called Judgment Night, and
Speaker 5: he took us to see that one.
Speaker 3: I like that as a team.
Speaker 2: That's really cool. That's very cool.
Speaker 7: So after Mighty Ducks comes out, you become very recognizable.
Speaker 7: How does life change for you after that movie comes out?
Speaker 3: I guess when you mentioned I guess it did change
Speaker 3: a little bit. I mean it was kind of.
Speaker 5: A gradual thing because I was doing TV and I
Speaker 5: was getting recognized for stuff. But definitely getting recognized in public.
Speaker 3: Was something to get used to. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: I always it never bothered me in the way I
Speaker 5: see you know. I guess there are certain times where
Speaker 5: you know you're having dinner or something and it's.
Speaker 3: A little weird. Yeah, but I always enjoyed.
Speaker 5: Just I felt like it was a complement of the work.
Speaker 5: And I never really took personal credit for how successful
Speaker 5: The Mighty Ducks was, and I just figured that I
Speaker 5: was a part of something that was really successful, and
Speaker 5: I was very proud of it.
Speaker 2: I guess you'd say, yeah, so great, so healthy.
Speaker 5: A shoot was that I didn't get I didn't start
Speaker 5: the problem with me didn't start till later.
Speaker 3: It was fantastic.
Speaker 4: How long a shoot was Mighty Ducks? Uh?
Speaker 5: Well so two months of camp and then maybe ninety
Speaker 5: days of a shoot.
Speaker 2: Okay, so like full five months and then you shown
Speaker 2: for D two?
Speaker 7: How long how long after the first one came out
Speaker 7: did you guys go back for D two?
Speaker 3: I want to say less than a year?
Speaker 4: Oh wow?
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 1: So he likes to pump them out if they if
Speaker 1: they know they have a hit, it's like, let's do
Speaker 1: the next one.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 5: I think they got the I did have the hockey
Speaker 5: team and they were like, all right, let's let's do well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's I mean, is this the first time Ryder?
Speaker 1: You're good with all this this Hollywood stuff, but I mean,
Speaker 1: is this the first time a fictional sporting team literally
Speaker 1: then became a professional sporting team.
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 6: I remember the Mighty Ducks stadium and the tea and
Speaker 6: it was just like, this is crazy that Disney's going
Speaker 6: this big and making this a thing.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, it was also it's illegal.
Speaker 4: I started buying up the world.
Speaker 1: But I remember that because I went to a Mighty
Speaker 1: Ducks game and I wore my Whaler's jersey, and literally
Speaker 1: the next day in my dressing room there was a
Speaker 1: Mighty Ducks jersey with a note from somebody at Disney
Speaker 1: was like, saw you at the game last night.
Speaker 4: If you go again, please wear this. I remember, And
Speaker 4: it was like.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I guess sorry for Disney.
Speaker 5: Did that happen after the show is on the air
Speaker 5: that Disney and ab she became Buddy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was like ninety six ninety seven, so it
Speaker 7: was in the middle of our run answering. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: So I want to talk Heavyweights. It's one of the
Speaker 7: darker Disney comedies ever made, written by jud Appatoo, follows
Speaker 7: a group of kids sent to a weight loss camp
Speaker 7: run by maybe one of the funniest and most psychotic performances.
Speaker 4: Ever heard with Ben Stiller.
Speaker 7: Stiller is Tony Purkis. How do you not break in
Speaker 7: every scene with him?
Speaker 3: Dude? That is a great question.
Speaker 5: It's the only time I've ever had an issue with
Speaker 5: that in my entire career, which was not a thing
Speaker 5: for me. Right but have a straight face. When Ben
Speaker 5: was doing that thing like this close to you was difficult,
Speaker 5: was difficult, and I can be honest, like Ben wasn't
Speaker 5: trying to be funny, right, he was very intense and
Speaker 5: very like scary. It was definitely a little scary. I
Speaker 5: think he wanted to have that effect on us, and
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure it worked on everywhere.
Speaker 7: I mean definitely how much of it was improv versus
Speaker 7: actually scripted.
Speaker 5: I want to say almost everything he said was his
Speaker 5: own off the cuff stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean they might have like.
Speaker 5: Arranged it a little before the tape, you know, but
Speaker 5: so much it was all, you know, And I think
Speaker 5: that was it was like that for all of us
Speaker 5: and where we had the freedom if we wanted to go.
Speaker 3: Off the books, and that was just amazing, you know,
Speaker 3: to have that setup.
Speaker 5: And I think that's kind of where Judd began to
Speaker 5: develop that style of his you know, let's comedians sort
Speaker 5: of writ So yeah, definitely we were allowed.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 5: And it was weird because on The Mighty Ducks the
Speaker 5: directors we had were also very encouraging when it came
Speaker 5: to improvise, not improvising at living because we had a
Speaker 5: lot of scenes where it was like, you know, the
Speaker 5: ducks make their way to the limo, or the ducks
Speaker 5: make their way to the bench. You know, there's shots
Speaker 5: of a lot of us moving somewhere, and always they
Speaker 5: were always open to us picturing the lines.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I love that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I thought that's how it would be all
Speaker 5: the time, and you know, not so much. You know,
Speaker 5: I started working on sitcoms and stuff, and you can't
Speaker 5: show up on Boy World and be like, I'd like
Speaker 5: to say this right now, can we try it?
Speaker 4: My way?
Speaker 7: Was Ben able to turn it off between the scenes,
Speaker 7: like was he laughing joking with you guys, or was
Speaker 7: he pretty much in character?
Speaker 3: Ben was sitting character.
Speaker 5: He really did, and I think you know, the way
Speaker 5: he did that was by separation, and he was he
Speaker 5: wasn't lax about it.
Speaker 3: It was like cut, I'll be over here.
Speaker 5: And he was very deliberate in not establishing friendly relationships
Speaker 5: with us.
Speaker 2: Right friend on this movie.
Speaker 5: I don't know if if that, you know, worked for
Speaker 5: him because he didn't like kids or fat kids or what.
Speaker 3: But he definitely made.
Speaker 5: A choice to do that and I think it worked.
Speaker 5: But on the last day of production, Uh, you know,
Speaker 5: we were out there three months and I walked up
Speaker 5: to him and I said, Ben, like I went to
Speaker 5: shake his hand. I said, this has been just the
Speaker 5: magical experience learning from you and observing for you, and
Speaker 5: I just want to thank you for an incredible shoot.
Speaker 5: And he shook my hand and said, you're welcome, and
Speaker 5: what's your name again?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, was he even serious?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Wow.
Speaker 6: Movie is like a cult classic because it didn't really
Speaker 6: hit at the time. But I remember, like ten years later,
Speaker 6: like I guess in the early aughts, having a friend
Speaker 6: be like, you haven't seen Heavyweights.
Speaker 4: You have to watch this movie.
Speaker 6: It is so good and so dark and interesting ways
Speaker 6: And I remember watching it and just I want to
Speaker 6: see it again now that we're talking about it. But
Speaker 6: I remember being like, oh, yeah, this is kind of
Speaker 6: a missed masterpiece.
Speaker 4: It's it's like really funny and interesting.
Speaker 6: And Ben Stiller, he has this tradition of films that
Speaker 6: are very like dark and edgy, and you know, like
Speaker 6: the same with Cable Guy.
Speaker 4: And there are movies that they didn't reach.
Speaker 6: Like a popular audience, but we look back on them
Speaker 6: now and we're like, they were really kind of ahead
Speaker 6: of their time in terms of their comedy and what
Speaker 6: they were saying really interesting.
Speaker 7: Guys and Geeks team was also involved in it, and
Speaker 7: you ended up being on Freaks and Geeks quite a bit. Sean, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 7: it works.
Speaker 2: Loved you.
Speaker 5: I loved that show and I wanted to be on
Speaker 5: and they just didn't like I really wasn't a freak
Speaker 5: and I really wasn't a geek. So really, what happened,
Speaker 5: I don't know how much into the weeds you want
Speaker 5: to get into, but what happened was at the time
Speaker 5: and I was sort of doing a day player part
Speaker 5: on there, and my manager advised me to quit the show.
Speaker 5: Okay and one of the top shows of all time
Speaker 5: people and so being at that age and you know,
Speaker 5: paying somebody to give me advice, I took his advice
Speaker 5: and I ended up quitting the show maybe after five
Speaker 5: episodes or six episodes, probably just stuck it out.
Speaker 7: What do you think the where do you think that
Speaker 7: advice came from? What do you think your manager was
Speaker 7: trying to do?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: I mean I know where it came from because I
Speaker 5: was making a lot of money doing like series regular
Speaker 5: and I had just come off a series regular thing,
Speaker 5: and then I was doing a day player part and
Speaker 5: I remember him saying, how do you expect to ask
Speaker 5: people to pay you blank amount if you're going to show.
Speaker 3: Up for nothing enough? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 3: I took his advice.
Speaker 5: And you know, that's probably if I had any regrets
Speaker 5: career wise, that was probably not a good decision because
Speaker 5: I wanted to be on the show and I liked
Speaker 5: those guys right.
Speaker 3: And it meant something.
Speaker 5: You know, I've made smaller projects myself, and you know,
Speaker 5: when people who are with you and want to work
Speaker 5: with you, it means a lot. And when they say
Speaker 5: I don't want to be part of this, you remember that,
Speaker 5: you know, yeah exactly. So I think it it might have,
Speaker 5: you know, just affected my personal relationships with those guys.
Speaker 3: So what are you going to do.
Speaker 2: As a kid?
Speaker 7: You had such an old soul aura about you and
Speaker 7: the characters that you played, very old school wise beyond
Speaker 7: your years, comedy chops.
Speaker 2: Where do you think that came from?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, as I mentioned before, I had older brothers
Speaker 5: and sisters, so I think I would, you know, mimic
Speaker 5: them a lot. But also people used to tell me
Speaker 5: that I reminded them of Jackie Gleason, I could see
Speaker 5: that he happened to be one of the guys that
Speaker 5: I started watching from a very young age.
Speaker 3: So I think most of my.
Speaker 5: Comedy, like the way in which it ended up manifesting,
Speaker 5: was influenced mostly by watching I Love Lucy and by
Speaker 5: watching Honeymooners. Yeah, so that stuff sort of has is
Speaker 5: you know, has an older time games.
Speaker 6: It's like old timey comedy.
Speaker 5: Exactly those rhythms, you know that that that cadence and
Speaker 5: even some of the body movements. So maybe that's that's
Speaker 5: where that came from me trying to emulate my heroes basically,
Speaker 5: but I can see that.
Speaker 7: And then you on Boy Meets World, with your first
Speaker 7: episode being season six, You're married, You're dead, And I
Speaker 7: know you had done one episode of Charles in Charge
Speaker 7: with Michael back in nineteen eighty eight, But did you
Speaker 7: have to audition for this Boy Meets World role or
Speaker 7: was I just offered to you?
Speaker 3: I don't think I did.
Speaker 5: I think what happened was I was looking for jobs
Speaker 5: here and there, and somebody had had remembered that I
Speaker 5: was friends with Michael somehow, and I think my manager
Speaker 5: pitched me to him. Hey, do you have anything for
Speaker 5: him on the show? And I think he was nice
Speaker 5: enough to give me, you know that part. I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm sure I had to come in and do something
Speaker 5: and it's just handed to me, But I don't.
Speaker 3: Remember it being like a typical audition.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I probably just had to come in
Speaker 5: and read for them, you know that that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Had you ever seen Boy Meets World before?
Speaker 4: Are you kidding?
Speaker 3: Listen?
Speaker 5: And this is what's crazy, because I rewatched the episode
Speaker 5: just yesterday and there's a lot of there's It's really
Speaker 5: the theme in the show that my characters talking about
Speaker 5: was really a very true to life thing for me,
Speaker 5: because well, I just got to say, you guys, you know,
Speaker 5: back then, it was like cool was the thing.
Speaker 3: It was all about being cool, right, and you guys as.
Speaker 5: A group were the coolest kids on the face.
Speaker 3: Of the earth. It looked like it looked like.
Speaker 5: And also I remember I remember being having that feeling too.
Speaker 5: When I got there. I was like, wait a second,
Speaker 5: these kids aren't trying to be cool. They're being funny,
Speaker 5: like you guys are working hard on comedy. And I
Speaker 5: remember thinking about that too, him like, well, Will is
Speaker 5: that cool? He's not trying to he's trying to be
Speaker 5: a comedian and being cool. Kind of a but you
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean I had such a boy crush
Speaker 5: on Ryder and then getting in there to work with
Speaker 5: you guys, it was just like I remember how special
Speaker 5: and awesome it felt.
Speaker 3: I mean, you want to talk about getting in with
Speaker 3: the cool kids, I made it.
Speaker 1: We did not feel cool at it all ever, so strange.
Speaker 3: No god, no, wait a second.
Speaker 5: You mean to tell me you're on the cover of
Speaker 5: Team Beat and that doesn't help feel make it feel cool.
Speaker 6: No, it was the opposite for me. It made me
Speaker 6: feel like so insecure. Like you talk about getting recognized
Speaker 6: and feeling proud and like happy that you I would
Speaker 6: run away head down, like just trying. I was so
Speaker 6: insecure and freaked out.
Speaker 7: Used to feel like a real actor. Sitcom acting wasn't
Speaker 7: the real work he wanted to be doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 6: I felt trapped on a show that didn't makes sense
Speaker 6: and it just didn't feel like me. I mean, in retrospect,
Speaker 6: we were having fun, like we loved each other and
Speaker 6: we were having fun on the set, But as far
Speaker 6: as the work itself, like I was just like, this
Speaker 6: is not my jam because I just never watched TV.
Speaker 6: I didn't know what was going on, and it just
Speaker 6: didn't feel like me. So I was incredibly insecure.
Speaker 4: But but we were always having fun on the show.
Speaker 5: So interesting, right, I gotta tell you, it's just the
Speaker 5: way you might have been insecure, but it just came
Speaker 5: off as I'm a movie star and I'm shy. That
Speaker 5: is so interesting to hear you say that, and what
Speaker 5: a trip. You know, things are so complicated right, totally.
Speaker 5: And one of the things that, uh, that was noteworthy
Speaker 5: for me last night was that, you know, were you
Speaker 5: watching the episode like you and Ben were a comedy team,
Speaker 5: but it seemed like Ben like he wanted you to
Speaker 5: be the straight guy.
Speaker 3: Am I right about that?
Speaker 4: Definitely? Definitely?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is the star of the show, so he
Speaker 3: was right.
Speaker 6: Well, no, it's you know, we've been watching the show
Speaker 6: because like for me, when we're doing this rewatch podcast,
Speaker 6: is me watching the show for the first time because
Speaker 6: I never watched it and so going back, yeah, it's
Speaker 6: it's it's interesting like in the first couple of seasons
Speaker 6: that dynamic, like when when they found that that Ben
Speaker 6: and I could play off of each other. It really
Speaker 6: changed the show and it became sort of its own thing.
Speaker 6: But now watching these later seasons, they're giving me less
Speaker 6: and less to do, and I am becoming much more
Speaker 6: just sort of the normal, boring, straight guy, and Ben's
Speaker 6: becoming the like neurotic you know, and it's it's the
Speaker 6: dynamic of shifting.
Speaker 4: I think the show worked better when we were more.
Speaker 2: Of a duo.
Speaker 5: Do you think that was something that he like, you know,
Speaker 5: talked to the writers about.
Speaker 3: I was just interested.
Speaker 5: I was like, I wonder if Ben said to them, like,
Speaker 5: I want to be more you know, know.
Speaker 6: He could just brought it. He was just such a
Speaker 6: funny guy in real life, and I think that he
Speaker 6: had such a sense of humor that they that he
Speaker 6: just kept ratcheting up this like sort of bizarre character,
Speaker 6: this different version of Corey, and then they ran with
Speaker 6: it because it really is funny, and you know, it
Speaker 6: makes for it becomes the engine of the later seasons,
Speaker 6: is like that he is this neurotic mess and that
Speaker 6: he isn't getting along in the world like that, as
Speaker 6: opposed to where they started, which was that he was,
Speaker 6: you know, more like a character you would play a
Speaker 6: sort of smart alec, fast talking kid. That's how he
Speaker 6: started on the show, but they quickly made it much
Speaker 6: more where Ben wanted to go, which was like a
Speaker 6: freaked out you know.
Speaker 2: Go around me going yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: People.
Speaker 1: People forget that how funny Ben is to the point
Speaker 1: where when I look back, I go, oh, that's right.
Speaker 4: He's literally one of the funniest people I've ever worked
Speaker 4: with in my life. I mean, that's Ben is hysterically
Speaker 4: funny on a camera.
Speaker 1: It got a little muddled in the middle seasons there
Speaker 1: because I think they were trying to find what Corey
Speaker 1: was going to be. But now that they've you know,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, unleashed him in the
Speaker 1: later seasons, he's just hysterically funny.
Speaker 4: Oh well.
Speaker 3: Also, there's a lot of mouths to feed on that cast.
Speaker 5: You will you were like, bro, you were such a
Speaker 5: good actor and so funny, like the work you did
Speaker 5: in the in this episode where you're doing the whole
Speaker 5: uh you know, the Truman Show character, like.
Speaker 4: That's the one you watched? Okay, because we were wondering
Speaker 4: which one you watch, because we we did.
Speaker 1: The first one we did was your first episode You're
Speaker 1: Married Poker.
Speaker 3: And I didn't see that. I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: It's probably better that you didn't. It's not our favorite episode.
Speaker 1: You were great with what they gave you. You were
Speaker 1: great and the you know, the nothing wrong with the acting.
Speaker 1: The story was muddled and weird. But the Truman Show one.
Speaker 1: These guys don't remember that at all, and I fully
Speaker 1: remember that. I fully remember that episode, so I remember
Speaker 1: how involved I was. But when I told them we
Speaker 1: brought it up a couple episodes ago, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Truman Show episode.
Speaker 4: And they're like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Remember that season is it's later this season?
Speaker 4: Right? Yeah, it's later later six, season six.
Speaker 3: They just really did an excellent job. And I remember watching.
Speaker 5: You work on that, and you know there's there's a
Speaker 5: scene where there's like maybe fifty extras, right, And I
Speaker 5: remember watching you work on the scene that week, just
Speaker 5: you know, finding the comedy beats and really you know,
Speaker 5: working with the writers to get it down and then
Speaker 5: on the tape day, like fifty.
Speaker 3: Dudes show up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we have to act like they've been it
Speaker 5: all the long time.
Speaker 3: Right, of this a strange, a strange flip.
Speaker 4: To have happen. Man, that's hysterical.
Speaker 7: So you didn't watch the first episode that you did,
Speaker 7: which is You're Marriage, You're Dead, and you play Louis
Speaker 7: the Lackey to Gambling Dan, an actor who appeared to
Speaker 7: be about twenty years older than you late fifties. What
Speaker 7: do you remember about your first week on the show?
Speaker 2: What are what were your experiences?
Speaker 5: Like, I gotta be honest, and I remembered the feeling
Speaker 5: as soon as the episode came on. I was really,
Speaker 5: I don't know how to say, hormonal, hormonal, and the
Speaker 5: chicks on that set, Danielle, I mean I was.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't you know.
Speaker 5: I was just when you came into the room.
Speaker 3: My chemistry would change. I know, I how to control myself, Danielle.
Speaker 5: And then the other girl, the redhead, I would just
Speaker 5: look so basically the whole time anybody was around, I
Speaker 5: was just like trying to keep it together and try
Speaker 5: to keep it together, and I was losing.
Speaker 3: My mind by all like the hot.
Speaker 5: And then in the in that episode, were there I
Speaker 5: want to say, there's somebody doing a lap dance kind of.
Speaker 4: And the girls are sitting on us, yes, ordering stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So basically I'm just bursting at the seams, Danielle.
Speaker 5: The whole time, being like, I gotta go to my
Speaker 5: trailer for a minute.
Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, it was Pubert.
Speaker 3: I remember that show reminded me of puberty.
Speaker 5: Watching it, I was just like, holy man, it was
Speaker 5: like madness, madness. But I do remember you guys being
Speaker 5: very gracious and welcoming. It's kind of weird because you
Speaker 5: guys have like your little family there, and then you know,
Speaker 5: strangers come in and a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 5: I've been a regular on shows and strangers come in
Speaker 5: and they kind of act like they own the place,
Speaker 5: and it's just like there's like weird dynamics that are involved.
Speaker 5: But you guys were very sweet and friendly and welcoming,
Speaker 5: and it makes a big difference, you know, when you
Speaker 5: go on a show like that.
Speaker 1: Well, I also remember that was the first time I'd
Speaker 1: seen you in ten years, because I remember walking onto
Speaker 1: the set and of course they don't tell us who's
Speaker 1: coming on, and I saw you and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you and I ran over gave each
Speaker 1: other a big hogs like because.
Speaker 4: I hadn't seen you since that set in New York, right, So.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was you know, here you are out here,
Speaker 5: you are out in Los Angeles, you're famous on a
Speaker 5: TV show and you do.
Speaker 4: You were you were the Mighty Ducks. Everything. It was
Speaker 4: like we made it.
Speaker 1: The clim Yeah, well it's because we saved all that
Speaker 1: drug dealer's money and flew out here.
Speaker 4: It worked like a charm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really felt very special, like.
Speaker 5: Really it was, you know, looking back on it, it was
Speaker 5: really a magical experience.
Speaker 3: I hate to put it like that, but very nice.
Speaker 7: And so now on the other side of sobriety for you,
Speaker 7: which we are all so proud of you for. By
Speaker 7: the way, how much did the allure of Hollywood and
Speaker 7: the situations we were all put in as kid actors
Speaker 7: dealing with fame play into your ability to find that scene?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean really, when I look back on it,
Speaker 5: my my my issues really sunk in when all of
Speaker 5: that stuff went away. So I never really got into
Speaker 5: like drugs or anything while I was working, and it
Speaker 5: was when it was when I stopped working and I
Speaker 5: basically walked away from.
Speaker 3: Things thinking that I could just you know, roll back
Speaker 3: in whenever.
Speaker 5: And so when the life of being in movies and television,
Speaker 5: when that disappeared, I think boredom really became something that
Speaker 5: was very hard for me to deal with. You know,
Speaker 5: when there's a kid actor and you're working on stuff,
Speaker 5: there's always something. There's a press tour or a screening
Speaker 5: or something, and just the excitement of.
Speaker 3: Showing up to work on a sitcom it's very exciting.
Speaker 5: Right when that stuff went away, it definitely created an
Speaker 5: enormous void that I had difficulty filling. That's definitely affected
Speaker 5: me and definitely.
Speaker 3: Was a big deal.
Speaker 5: But maybe not in like the traditional way that people
Speaker 5: might assume exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's actually it's not like Hollywood itself didn't lead you.
Speaker 2: There was the absence of that in your life.
Speaker 5: Because when I was getting into things like it was
Speaker 5: becoming hip to sort of like the clean lifestyle was
Speaker 5: taking over, like the cocaine party nights. So when I
Speaker 5: came to Hollywood, everyone was doing their best to try
Speaker 5: to be as healthy as possible.
Speaker 3: That's true, nobody really. I never really had adults really
Speaker 3: give me anything, you know.
Speaker 7: So I know a lot of your struggles were documented
Speaker 7: on the internet, including your mugshot and aspects of life
Speaker 7: many people face, just not in public. Did it make
Speaker 7: that entire situation harder for you to overcome? Knowing that
Speaker 7: everything was being documented, even if you didn't want it
Speaker 7: to be, Like, how did that play into your recovery?
Speaker 5: Honestly, I think in some ways it made it a
Speaker 5: little easier, Daniel, because first of all, it made me
Speaker 5: have to surrender earlier than I might have. Because when
Speaker 5: you have, you know, stories about you on the news
Speaker 5: and the narrative really isn'tcorrect, There's nothing I could do
Speaker 5: about it from a jail cell. So I had to
Speaker 5: decide to surrender early on, which ended up being a
Speaker 5: major benefit in the twelve step program. Yeah, and then
Speaker 5: also I was the benefit of a tremendous amount of
Speaker 5: support from people, and that really made a difference to me.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that these movies I was in were
Speaker 5: meaningful to people. I got so many letters from people
Speaker 5: telling me that they didn't want to go to school
Speaker 5: because they were overweight and they felt a certain way.
Speaker 5: But after seeing Heavyweights, that movie alone just made them
Speaker 5: feel okay about being heavy and yeah, and so many
Speaker 5: kids benefited from that. And so when I when I
Speaker 5: started getting this kind of support from people and I
Speaker 5: started doing better, it became a thing where I didn't
Speaker 5: want to let anybody down, right, and that it really
Speaker 5: helped me in my recovery because like early on I was,
Speaker 5: I had ravaged myself so badly that I didn't have
Speaker 5: a self to recover for, so I really started recovering
Speaker 5: for everybody that was watching any.
Speaker 4: Sense, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's so strange because it's it, but it
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense because as somebody who was born and
Speaker 1: grown to be an entertainer, you naturally look for an audience.
Speaker 4: And so that's just that's a very natural thing.
Speaker 1: Because as somebody who who is a natural entertainer like
Speaker 1: you are, you want to please the audience watching you,
Speaker 1: and in this case, you're doing it to make yourself healthy.
Speaker 1: It's such an interesting dynamic of how that works as
Speaker 1: an entertainer.
Speaker 4: It's so so strange.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's really brilliant, Will, because I've never nobody's ever
Speaker 5: put it to me like that, and but that's just
Speaker 5: dead on.
Speaker 4: Maybe I thought that's amazing because that's how I feel too.
Speaker 1: I Mean, you always want to please that audience, and
Speaker 1: using that as your key to getting healthy is just
Speaker 1: such an interesting way to.
Speaker 4: Go at it. It's a great way to really take
Speaker 4: advantage of that's really amazing. I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 3: It worked, you know, so it just worked luckily, you know, thankfully.
Speaker 7: Well, we know you have been doing some stand up,
Speaker 7: you're jumping back into some projects. Does it feel good
Speaker 7: to be able to return to the thing you grew
Speaker 7: up doing?
Speaker 3: So good? So good? I mean, Will just said it
Speaker 3: like that thing you know that you have inside to
Speaker 3: want to be an entertainer.
Speaker 5: It never diesn't me at any rate. So being able
Speaker 5: to go do my stand up and at the same
Speaker 5: time deliver.
Speaker 3: A message, it is just it's the best. And you know, thankfully,
Speaker 3: I'm having the time my life.
Speaker 5: Even though forty five and things have happened, I'm in
Speaker 5: the best place that I've been, So, you.
Speaker 4: Know, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, you then, right when all this is happening,
Speaker 1: you picked up and you moved to Georgia where nothing's
Speaker 1: being shot.
Speaker 3: Hollywood.
Speaker 6: Hollywood, get more work out there, for sure, oh man,
Speaker 6: but it's not close out here.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of production.
Speaker 5: I have a couple things that I have that i'd
Speaker 5: like to get off the route. One of them I'm
Speaker 5: going to give you the elevator pitch. One of them
Speaker 5: is about these signings that we do. These autograph conventions. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I have an idea where the Mighty Ducks guys and
Speaker 5: the Sandlot guys get, shall we say, by one of
Speaker 5: these promoters and decide that they're going to go get
Speaker 5: the one hundred thousand dollars cash that he has.
Speaker 3: In this safe in his hotel room.
Speaker 4: So with the sports team. Yes, it's a great idea.
Speaker 3: It's a web pitch, Sean.
Speaker 7: Where can people find you? I know, are you're on cameo?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: You cameos love? My cameo is directly tied to my
Speaker 5: door dash, so.
Speaker 3: Cameo. I love doing cameos.
Speaker 5: And just my Instagram is just my name at Instagram,
Speaker 5: and I'm always you know, posting notices about my shows
Speaker 5: or whatever I have going on.
Speaker 3: So that's the best way to keep in touch with.
Speaker 7: Me Instagram at s h A U n W E
Speaker 7: I S S.
Speaker 3: Sean.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much for being here with us, sharing
Speaker 7: your memories and your energy and your optimism, and you're
Speaker 7: you are an inspirational man and we are lucky that
Speaker 7: you graced us with your time, So thank you.
Speaker 5: So I can't tell you what a pleasure it's been
Speaker 5: getting up with you three and you guys all.
Speaker 3: Look amazing or as beautiful as ever here.
Speaker 2: I'm here too, Sean, We'll see you soon.
Speaker 8: B bye.
Speaker 2: Man, what a guy, what a story.
Speaker 1: It's so strange to think about the journey, just just
Speaker 1: all of life.
Speaker 4: I mean, the first time, literally, the first time I.
Speaker 1: Stepped on a set that other than that one commercial
Speaker 1: I did was with Sean and it was the two
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 4: Leading the leaning commercial.
Speaker 1: Yeah my lean acting, my lackting, but just to see
Speaker 1: just the journey we've taken.
Speaker 4: And he's forty five. I'm almost fifty. We were he were.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I was twelve, so he was
Speaker 1: nine when we did that thing.
Speaker 6: And it's just incredible comedic energy and he's still has
Speaker 6: it and he's just such an open uh god, he
Speaker 6: just he just shined.
Speaker 4: He was a born entertainer. He's a born entertainer.
Speaker 1: He was born to do this and he just he
Speaker 1: found it and they found him, and it's just it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where you look at somebody you.
Speaker 4: Go, oh, yeah, that's why you're here. You're supposed to
Speaker 4: be entertaining.
Speaker 7: Yeah No, there's no surprise that you You've always had it,
Speaker 7: you still have it, yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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