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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Stephen Ferdick. I'm the pastor of Elevation

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Speaker 1: Church and this is our podcast. I wanted to thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us today. Hope this inspires you. Hope

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Speaker 1: it builds your faith. Hope it gives your perspective to

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Speaker 1: see God is moving in your life. Enjoy the message.

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Speaker 1: I want to get this in your heart as we

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Speaker 1: close this mindset masterclass, not as we close this process,

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Speaker 1: because it is a daily decision that you have to make,

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Speaker 1: which me will I be? Which you will you do?

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Speaker 1: You're not done choosing. It's not a one time event.

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Speaker 1: I want to give you this last little nugget for

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Speaker 1: the seasons where you're struggling. It may not even just

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Speaker 1: be one rep. It may not even be just one day,

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Speaker 1: It may not even be just one month. You may

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Speaker 1: go through long stretches of time. Yeah, with a little reprieve.

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Speaker 1: But you might say this is mostly a struggle. The

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Speaker 1: stage of life my kids are at right now, this

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Speaker 1: business challenge relative to my industry, this rhythm of my

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Speaker 1: life that feels completely unsustainable. And while I don't always

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Speaker 1: think that we should seek out more struggle, I think

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Speaker 1: we have to know that when we struggle, God gives

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Speaker 1: strength if you can know that in those moments and

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Speaker 1: say to God the greatest three word prayer that I

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Speaker 1: never heard, help me fail. I don't ask God to

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Speaker 1: help me fail. I want him to help me win,

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Speaker 1: help me succeed, help me crush, help me kill, help

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Speaker 1: me destroy. You know, like, well, you don't want to win.

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Speaker 2: You're saying help me stretch, help me grow for those

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Speaker 2: who are like an aversion to fail. But I think

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Speaker 2: it is important that well, I chose the language help

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Speaker 2: me fail, because it's inevitable that you are going to

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Speaker 2: feel like you're failing, but maybe you're not. That's what

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Speaker 2: I think is so interesting about you being a success

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Speaker 2: coach is that some people go, well.

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Speaker 1: A success coach? Is that really scriptural to success? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, God told Joshua, I'll give you good success,

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Speaker 1: the kind of success that God gives, a good success

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Speaker 1: where you make a difference for him and you don't

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Speaker 1: rip your life apart. I mean, you wrote a whole

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Speaker 1: book called High Performance Habits about people who are not

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Speaker 1: just succeeding over here and then making a mess of

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Speaker 1: their relationships, are destroying their health. God wants to bring

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Speaker 1: all these things to integration in our life. But I

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Speaker 1: think just as important as what's our definition of success

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Speaker 1: is the question what's your definition of failure? Who said

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Speaker 1: it fail? Right? We talked in an earlier masterclass about

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Speaker 1: disappointment and disappointment is relative to time, and when you

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Speaker 1: remove the element of time, you don't have to be

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Speaker 1: disappointed because it's going to happen and it's in God's hands.

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Speaker 1: So what do you walk people through when they are

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Speaker 1: experiencing what they perceive to be failure? But you know,

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Speaker 1: as a coach, ah, this is a growth moment, this

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Speaker 2: I think the first part is always as I said earlier,

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Speaker 2: just remove the surprise from people. It's like they're so

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Speaker 2: shocked that they had a bad performance. I was like,

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Speaker 2: just remove like the struggle and the failure is going

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Speaker 2: to be there and it is a personal definition. You

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Speaker 2: thought you failed, but fifteen thousand people chanted. You thought

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Speaker 2: you failed, but you weren't arrested the next day you

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Speaker 2: So first someone to go why were you surprised? Second,

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Speaker 2: what is your definition? Tell me what does that mean

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Speaker 2: that you failed? And what's interesting when people use the

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Speaker 2: no stop sign. That was an incident in life. Tomorrow

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Speaker 2: there's gonna be forty other incidents. That was one struggle.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have another thousand. So there was no stop sign.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a failure, it was a navigation instruction manual.

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Speaker 2: So, now you know the boulder is coming up, Well,

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Speaker 2: let me skill up. So next time I face it,

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Speaker 2: It doesn't say I stopped there, it's forever fixed. I'm

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Speaker 2: and it's equipping ourselves for the future. And maybe what

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Speaker 2: myself to be more patient. I'm going to equip myself

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Speaker 2: but for that would be I trained myself to speak

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Speaker 2: people to hear, is like, the struggles are inevitable. Train

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Speaker 2: why I love the chapter title here. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 2: the season that you're in, you're equipped, you're in bolden,

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Speaker 2: You got backing, and you have to step in faith

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Speaker 2: and stay in motion and not hit the stop sign.

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Speaker 1: Step in faith because the struggle is not a stop sign.

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Speaker 1: It's a strength builder. It's a struggle build strength. So

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Speaker 1: write these two down struggle build strength, not all struggle.

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Speaker 1: Some struggle you're struggling because you're stubborn, like, you're not

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Speaker 2: Don't put a stop sign on the struggle.

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Speaker 1: Put a stop sign on the struggle, especially when it's

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Speaker 2: People who who've their struggle or their challenge, and this

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Speaker 2: You know, don't forget you do have maybe another child,

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Speaker 2: And so I think it's a matter of when our

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Speaker 2: It, and you might be right, but don't stop living

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Speaker 2: And so the most important thing when you say that

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't preach to the people in my church

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Speaker 1: Tom Layman. You know we have like ministers in Layman.

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Speaker 1: message back to me through his decisions. Because before his

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful and man, they started this club called Riley's Catch,

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Speaker 3: and not only you've seen hundred kids come to Christ

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Speaker 1: But I've told his story to our church with his permission.

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Speaker 1: And it's better than me being up there saying there's

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Speaker 1: strength in the struggle, right Like, this isn't pinterest from

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