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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're sending

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Speaker 1: condolences to Lil Baby Page Beckers, who's now lost both

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Speaker 1: of her basketball moms to trades, first Melissa Smith to

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Speaker 1: the Aces, now Dja Carrington to the Links hang in

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Speaker 1: their rook. It's Monday, August fourth, and on today's show,

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Speaker 1: we'll be chatting with WNBA reporters and.

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Speaker 2: Podcast hosts Miles Erlick and Owen.

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Speaker 1: Pence about what it's really like to cover women's sports

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Speaker 1: for independent media sites, how they got started covering the

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Speaker 1: w the current state of women's hoops journalism and news

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Speaker 1: journalism is a side gig, and why they're the best

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Speaker 1: kind of Brooklyn stereotype. Plus the potential challenges of moving

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Speaker 1: the object at the center of the Solar System, the

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Speaker 1: NWSL's blockbuster return, and sex toy crime Watch. Still don't

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Speaker 1: you guys, It's all coming up right after this Welcome

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Speaker 1: back slices. Happy Monday. Here's what you need to know today.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the WNBA, where a lot happened this weekend.

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Speaker 1: On Saturday, the Boston Globe was the first to report

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Speaker 1: that Celtics minority owner Steve Paliuca has agreed to buy

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Speaker 1: the Connecticut Sun from the Mohegan Tribe for three hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty five million dollars, which would be a record

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Speaker 1: sale price for a women's pro team. In that initial

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Speaker 1: Globe report and stories that followed from the Associated Press

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Speaker 1: and ESPN, it was reported that Paliuca plans to relocate

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Speaker 1: the team to Boston ahead of the twenty twenty seven

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Speaker 1: WNBA season. Now, remember, the Sun sold out both of

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Speaker 1: its games at Boston's TD Garden this summer and last.

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Speaker 1: But Boston fans might want to wait a little longer

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Speaker 1: initial reporting on Saturday, the WNBA itself made a statement,

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Speaker 1: and the statement suggested that a Boston move isn't imminent.

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Speaker 1: In that statement, the league said, quote, relocation decisions are

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Speaker 1: made by the WNBA Board of Governors and not by

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Speaker 2: End quote.

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Speaker 1: The league statement went on to say that the nine

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Speaker 1: Then on Sunday, Sun President Jennifer Rizzotti confirmed that the

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Speaker 1: team does plan to remain in Connecticut through twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: remembering back when the WNBA announced Cleveland, Detroit, and Philly

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Speaker 1: the WNBA Board of Governors has final approval of all

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Speaker 1: team sales and relocations, there are still a lot of

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Speaker 1: details to work out here, so we'll keep you posted

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Speaker 1: as we learn more. We do want to know what

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Speaker 1: Connecticut Sun fans are saying, so if we've got some

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Speaker 1: Connecticut Suns slices out there, we'd love to hear how

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Speaker 1: you're feeling about this news. Shoot us an email good

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Speaker 1: game at Wonder Media NETWORKEDE dot com, or leave us

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Speaker 1: a voicemail at eight seven to two two oh four

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Speaker 1: fifty seventy more WNBA A big trade was announced on

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Speaker 1: Sunday with the Dallas Wings trading guard djn A. Carrington

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Speaker 1: incoming players, the Wings wave Tierra McCown. Carrington is a

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Speaker 3: So, is this your first time in front of a

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Speaker 3: There was a zoom in, you got a full game

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Speaker 2: How'd that make you feel? My phone blowing up? It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think all this was going to happen.

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Speaker 4: It's real being in our community for real to be

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Speaker 1: And there is even an Instagram account at flying Me

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Speaker 1: A lot of players and fans were having fun with

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Speaker 1: It was a busy weekend that kicked off with a

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Speaker 1: Still got it. Queen of Clutch Marta, who announced her

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Speaker 1: We pull Up with Miles and Owen.

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Speaker 1: because I love that you talked about the very clear

439
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: through line from like moving on up like Westchester to Barclays.

440
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: They even like I loved that they had their old

441
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,360
Speaker 1: mascot like walk across the bridge Maddie the Labrador retriever

442
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: over to Brooklyn to help pass the torch to Ellie

443
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: and the new mascot in the new timeline that was

444
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Speaker 1: starting in Brooklyn. For those who maybe just got into

445
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Speaker 1: the w in the last couple of years, can you

446
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: paint a picture, a brief one of what Liberty games

447
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: in Westchester look like versus what we now know at Barclays.

448
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

449
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Speaker 6: So luckily I got to witness the some of the bigger,

450
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 6: some of the horror stories from afar, some of the

451
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 6: worst of it because I was in the stands and

452
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 6: there was there was no bad seat. But I've heard players,

453
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Speaker 6: I've heard media, lots of people talk about just how

454
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 6: bad the facilities were. I just got to see how

455
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 6: bad the court was. So that was my experience in

456
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 6: the parking lot. I sat in that for hours and hours.

457
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Speaker 7: But it was rough.

458
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Speaker 6: It felt like this was not a place that a

459
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 6: professional basketball team should be playing, and that was the case.

460
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Speaker 6: My wife is from Westchester and they used to do

461
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Speaker 6: like science fares there and it became during COVID it

462
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 6: became like a vaccine center like that is where professional

463
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 6: basketball players from across the entire league were being sent

464
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 6: to play. So for them to then go from that

465
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 6: to the Bubble to then the Barclay Center where there

466
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 6: was a dedicated locker room and there was a practice

467
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 6: court on site, it was just night and day, and

468
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Speaker 6: that I think was a big part of resurrecting the

469
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Speaker 6: franchise as well.

470
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Speaker 1: And I think also they always say it's not bad

471
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Speaker 1: to be poor, it's bad to be rich and then poor.

472
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Speaker 1: So to start at MSG Madison Square Garden where the

473
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Speaker 1: Knicks play and be like we're legit, and then be like,

474
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Speaker 1: now we're going to send you to Westchester, that part

475
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: of it was I think especially hard. Oh how about you,

476
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Speaker 1: How did you get started in the women's sportspace.

477
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Speaker 7: Yes, so I covered the women's basketball team at Northeastern

478
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 7: when I was a freshman there in twenty fourteen, and

479
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 7: that was when I started like really watching the WNBA

480
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 7: getting into women's sports. I remember watching the Link Sparks

481
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 7: Finals while I was in college. But I would say,

482
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Speaker 7: like the major turning point for me I was working

483
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 7: in men's sports at this point, working for the Boston Globe,

484
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 7: covering every sport under the sun, all the Boston teams,

485
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 7: and I think the year it really turned and my

486
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 7: fandom like went to another level was twenty seventeen the

487
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 7: NCAA tournament, like the Morgan Williams shot to me against

488
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 7: Yukon is the most iconic thing ever. And that was

489
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Speaker 7: like the first time I was like, oh, I am

490
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 7: like a diehard fan, like this is making me feel

491
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 7: things that men's sports have never made me feel before.

492
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Speaker 7: And that was the year Asia one at all. And

493
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Speaker 7: then I'd say the next year, which is my senior

494
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 7: year of college, I fell in love with the Notre

495
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Speaker 7: Dame team like Jackie Young, Arik Gooballe, Marina Maybury.

496
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Speaker 2: Speaking of iconic shots exactly.

497
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Speaker 7: Yeah, have plenty to choose from with that couple of

498
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 7: years of NCAA tournaments, and so then I was just

499
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 7: like a diehard fan and I was fully, fully into it.

500
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 7: Asia and Jackie ended up both going to the Aces,

501
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 7: which was like fun for me because they were my

502
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 7: two favorite players in college. I'll follow Jackie and Asia

503
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 7: wherever they go. If they go anywhere, that's another podcast.

504
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 7: But yeah, so I'm working in men's sports at the

505
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 7: time in Boston and a bit of a toxic place

506
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 7: to cover sports, Like just so much toxicity in the

507
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 7: in the men's sports there, And so when COVID hit,

508
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 7: I was just kind of looking for a way that

509
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 7: I could still cover sports the combine something I really

510
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 7: really loved, but feel better about it, and also be

511
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 7: able to do more of the stories I wanted to do.

512
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 7: Like as much as I loved writing, you know, game

513
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 7: stories about Red Sox games that would end at twelve

514
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 7: thirty in the morning on deadline as they hold the

515
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 7: print edition to get your story, and it's like, I'd

516
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 7: love to spend more time on features and really dive

517
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 7: into certain players who, like Miles was saying, haven't really

518
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 7: had their stories told in a way that a Red

519
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 7: Sox player has had his story told one hundred times over.

520
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 7: And so when COVID hit, it was kind of like

521
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 7: the time that I just slid in and got credentialed,

522
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 7: started covering and just building from there. And yeah, this

523
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 7: is my sixth season covering the league and couldn't be

524
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 7: happier about it.

525
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, for those who are not familiar with the Boston

526
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: men's sports scene as someone who's been the target of

527
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: at least one of those radio stations on numerous occasions,

528
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: which might be the most toxic in the country. And

529
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: then this is also the place where the Robert Kraft

530
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: Happy Ending story was essentially a bunch of bros from

531
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Speaker 1: Boston coming out and being.

532
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: Like, who among us? Haven't we all? And was like,

533
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if you need to do that.

534
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: I think you know, you could just sit this one

535
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: out if you don't want to criticize. Don't know if

536
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: we need to all offer up that that's just an

537
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: everyday thing for all of them out of Boston. How

538
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: did y'all find each other and meet in the space

539
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: and then decide to do a podcast?

540
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 6: Miles, So we did not know that we were both

541
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 6: located in New York, but we were both writing for

542
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 6: Winsider and that was what was that Owen twenty twenty one,

543
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 6: two twenty one. Yeah, So I was at that point credentialed,

544
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 6: but Owen, who is now affectionately called by Liberty CMPR

545
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 6: road Team Owen, hadn't yet applied for a credential because

546
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 6: he was like, I don't want to really I'm not

547
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 6: going to come here and just cover the Liberty. So

548
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 6: at that point I had had season tickets from before

549
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 6: I was credentialed, and I was just like basically handing

550
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 6: them out to people because I had to sit in

551
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 6: my assigned seat, and I had given Owen some tickets,

552
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 6: and then we got to talking and we were at

553
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 6: the same site. But I'm born and raised New Yorker,

554
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 6: Brooklyn my whole life, and Owen had been born here

555
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 6: and then left and then came back by choice after

556
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 6: he was able to finally flee Boston, and so we

557
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 6: really bonded in just wanting to be in Brooklyn so much.

558
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 6: And there's nothing else if you're two straight white guys

559
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 6: to do in Brooklyn besides start a podcast. So that

560
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 6: was the national next step.

561
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: You actually just went to get coffee and someone handed

562
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: you guys mics and they were like, you guys are

563
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: behind You have.

564
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 7: To start exactly.

565
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just a checklist of cliches. And then in

566
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 6: the interim, Owen joined a band just to continue checking

567
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 6: off those those cliches. But yeah, it just kind of

568
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 6: grew from there and we we have a really good rapport.

569
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 6: We found that we had a lot of things. Oh

570
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 6: in for a while, I was living far from Berkleys

571
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 6: and he was closer, so I would drive him home

572
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 6: after games. And now I'm closer and he's far there,

573
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 6: so he drives me home a lot of the times,

574
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 6: and we would just chat for like forty five minutes

575
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 6: in front of our apartments and we were like, yeah,

576
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 6: we should probably slap a microphone here and just have

577
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 6: some of these takes. So yeah, real romance. And we're

578
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 6: really lucky to have found each other in this space

579
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 6: because we also kind of keep each other grounded, I

580
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 6: think as much as possible because we need you. I'm

581
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 6: sure you know this. You need like a thousand group

582
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 6: chats to be like is this okay to send? Is

583
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 6: this not? And I think Owen takes me out of

584
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 6: my comfort zone and I pull him back towards my

585
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 6: comfort zone when he's a little bit out of pocket.

586
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 6: So it's a good balance.

587
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we love we love the group chat where we

588
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: can be like this is a safe space, right. I

589
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: got to run something by y'all and see if I

590
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: can put it out in public or not. So for

591
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: those how familiar, ow can you share a little bit

592
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: about Windsider where both y'all contribute.

593
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, Windsider's been around for a long time, originally w

594
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 7: Insider and now Winsider, And yeah, it's just somewhere where

595
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 7: I feel like I've written a lot of stories and

596
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 7: Miles has written a lot of stories that were super

597
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 7: proud of. We have an incredible graphics guy, Chris, who

598
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 7: just makes the site look so so beautiful. Probably like

599
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 7: my favorite piece I've ever written was about Jackie Young

600
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 7: no surprise based on my previous answer, and I did

601
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 7: like a deep, deep dive into her whole life and

602
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 7: the art for that piece was like so stunning, and

603
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 7: it just made me feel very proud to like have

604
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 7: put something like that out there. But yeah, it's just

605
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 7: a space where you know, a lot of people are

606
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 7: kind of not kind of are extremely passionate about the

607
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 7: WNBA and in that vein are doing it on the side,

608
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 7: like doing full time work, not for full time pay,

609
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 7: and I think, you know, a lot of a lot

610
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 7: of great work has been put out over the years.

611
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 7: Some people have gone on to work for teams. There

612
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 7: are people in front offices now who are winside or vents.

613
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: So Miles, when I bummed into at WNBA All Star.

614
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: You mentioned that you had paid your own way out there,

615
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: So inasmuch as you're willing to share, can you help

616
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: us understand how sustainable it is for folks to try

617
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: to cover women's sports and independent sites like you do,

618
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: where you're freelancing, maybe some places regularly, other places one offs.

619
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Speaker 6: It really is a privilege to be able to do it,

620
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 6: to be able to hold down a full time job,

621
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Speaker 6: and to have a very supportive wife who is very patient,

622
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 6: especially with all of the late nights. And when we

623
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 6: first started dating and living together, we were in a

624
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 6: six hundred square foot Bushwick apartment and she was working.

625
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 6: She was in grad school, so she was in like

626
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Speaker 6: year three or four of a PhD program, and she

627
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 6: was working in prepping classes until like two in the morning,

628
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 6: and so it wasn't such a big deal when I

629
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 6: was also doing all of my writing until two in

630
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 6: the morning. And then after she finished that program, she's like, wait,

631
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 6: but now I want to hang out. And that's kind

632
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 6: of been a tension that I am always aware of,

633
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 6: but that she's always reminding me, like, this is what

634
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 6: you want to be doing, and this is kind of

635
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 6: this is your passion and you're supplementing a day job.

636
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 6: And I'm very lucky to be fully remote and to

637
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 6: have a job that kind of ebbs and flows with

638
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 6: the season. So the summer is typically slower months, but

639
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 6: there will be days and Owen knows this when we

640
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 6: go and cover a game and I have to go

641
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 6: home and put in three more hours of work before

642
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 6: I could call it at night. So it is stressful

643
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 6: in that part. And I don't think that that's something

644
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 6: that really gets talked about a lot in this space,

645
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 6: is how difficult it is to make the money work

646
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 6: if that's your sole source of income. I also have

647
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 6: way too much anxiety about being just full time freelancer.

648
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 6: I know that there are a lot of people that

649
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 6: can live that life and that can just be accountable

650
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 6: in that way, and I'm just not one of those people.

651
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 6: And I remember I was actually listening to your show.

652
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 6: It was about a month ago when you had Lindsay

653
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 6: Gibbs on, and she was talking about about being accountable,

654
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 6: self accountable, and I jotted down a quote because she said,

655
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 6: you need infrastructure to be successful, and I don't have

656
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 6: infrastructure as an individual, and that resonated with me so much.

657
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 6: I went to grad school for my MFA because I

658
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 6: needed I was like, I'm not going to write if

659
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 6: no one is telling me I have to write. I

660
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 6: go to PT much longer than I have to because

661
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 6: I know I'm not going to do the exercises on

662
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 6: my own. There's all of that where I just need

663
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 6: I just need that push. So that's kind of why

664
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 6: having a home base for freelancing is great. But I

665
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 6: could also then seek out other opportunities and I've gotten

666
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 6: to work on a ton of cool stuff. I just

667
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 6: finished a piece for Flagrant magazine that's going to be

668
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 6: coming out when their next issue. I love Flagrant. I

669
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 6: have worked with two K recently on some of their

670
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 6: WNBA content SLAM. There have been so many bylines that

671
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 6: I'm super proud of in this space, and that all

672
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 6: came from these independent opportunities. So it's really cool to

673
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 6: just see my growth in this space reflected in just

674
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 6: some of the people that are around me that I

675
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 6: really respect, and the fact that I got married on

676
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 6: day one of the finals in twenty twenty three, and

677
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 6: I had a table of WNBA media there covering the

678
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 6: WNBA So that's just like how much of this sport

679
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 6: has has really just bled into the rest of my

680
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 6: life in a way that I'm so grateful for, and

681
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 6: that after you're thirty, it's really hard to find new friends.

682
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 6: So I've also now kind of adopted a whole new

683
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 6: just a whole new family through covering the w and that's.

684
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Speaker 2: Just really cool.

685
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: We got to take a quick break more with Miles

686
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: and Owen right after this. You know, the current WNBA

687
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: media landscape is better, Well it's it's good and bad.

688
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: It is thrilling, it is dire esqueet time. So I

689
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: want to start with the positive though. There are more views,

690
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: more clicks, more fans to serve, more mainstream interest. So, Owen,

691
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: how have the last few years of growth affected your

692
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Speaker 1: life and your coverage and how you're able to sort

693
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: of figure out how to make it worth both financially

694
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: and also just the opportunities that you have to make

695
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: content pece people consume.

696
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's such a fantastic question. I find it funny.

697
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 7: Miles has a little smile because I'm probably the more

698
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 7: cynical of our podcast, So like, I like that I'm

699
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 7: being put in the position to answer the positive question

700
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 7: because I do think, you know, it is a two

701
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 7: sides of the same coin type of situation. But I'm

702
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 7: just so thankful kind of, as Miles said, to have

703
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 7: a platform in general, and like, you know, even though

704
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 7: I can be cynical, I try to make especially my

705
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 7: Twitter and the stuff I put out publicly, like incredibly

706
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 7: positive just surrounding the players, because that is why I'm

707
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 7: in the space, and that is why I love it.

708
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 7: And I think to that end, over the last couple

709
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 7: of years, there's such an appetite for women's sports coverage,

710
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 7: for just discussion surrounding it. Like it doesn't even have

711
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 7: to be this perfectly crafted column or whatever. It could

712
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 7: just be like someone starting a discussion. It could be

713
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 7: running into someone and them being inquisitive about what's going on,

714
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 7: and that is so so cool to me. And then professionally,

715
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 7: it definitely has given me more opportunities. Like from a

716
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 7: freelance perspective, I think I've been writing for this sub stack,

717
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 7: The Contrarian, and they they just do a great job

718
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 7: of basically giving me a platform to write write columns

719
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 7: about stuff that is at the intersection of where women's

720
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 7: sports is at currently and the world at large, and

721
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 7: there's so much that we can talk about when it

722
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 7: comes to that, like the x's and o's are super fun.

723
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 7: I kind of entered this space back in twenty twenty

724
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 7: wanting to be like the Zaclo of the WNBA, you know,

725
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 7: like break down the plays and stuff, and then quickly

726
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 7: I realized like that wasn't going to be fulfilling to me.

727
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 7: And also like, and there's such a space for that

728
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 7: coverage too. I don't want to don't want to make

729
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 7: it seem like it's not, but I realized that what

730
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 7: I'm best at is is columns and features and like

731
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 7: diving deep into stuff, and in the last couple of years,

732
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 7: like there's a need for it. It's not just that

733
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 7: there's an appetite for it, but like there's a need

734
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 7: for people kind of stepping up and being hey, what's

735
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 7: going on isn't okay in some regards? And these players

736
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 7: deserve so much more, And these fans who've just entered

737
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 7: this space and entered it in bad faith need to

738
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 7: be checked, et cetera, et cetera. And I appreciate kind

739
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 7: of the journalism community for acknowledging that and forgiving giving

740
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 7: me space to write, yeah, and to cover these things.

741
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Speaker 1: You at the tail end of your attempt at positivity

742
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: arrived us at the negative side, which was well done

743
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: by you. I'm going to get into that in one second.

744
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: But because Miles did give us a little bit of

745
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: know thy self therapy moment about his need for self infrastructure,

746
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could briefly tell us why you

747
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: tend to be cynical. Why are you the one who's

748
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: always going that way?

749
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 7: That's a great question. I think I think I'm like

750
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 7: very anti capitalist, and so I'm just always like always

751
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 7: wanting to fight for the players, the workers, et cetera.

752
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 7: And so that always manifests and like me getting a

753
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 7: text from the league and like very friendly. The league

754
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 7: want to make that very clear, but like hey that

755
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 7: tweet like blah blah blah, Like yeah, but like the

756
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 7: players like they deserve this, etcetera, etcetera. So it's like

757
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 7: all very friendly. But I think I think that I

758
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 7: don't know, my family would say it's because I'm an aries.

759
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 7: I don't know what that means, but I think that

760
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 7: might have something to do with it. Uh, definitely, Boston,

761
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 7: definitely my experience, Like when you said the Boston radio

762
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 7: stations like they they had a full couple days of

763
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 7: like reading my tweets on EI and the sports and like,

764
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 7: I'm sure the people who are in your replies were

765
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 7: in my replies, and so again stuff like that where

766
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 7: I'm just like, this isn't like how it's supposed to

767
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 7: be or how it should be. Like this, we're all

768
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 7: here because it's a game and it's fun, and this

769
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 7: got so toxic, and so I think, like, instead, my

770
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 7: response when things like that happen is to like dig in,

771
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 7: which for better or worse.

772
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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that negative side, Miles. If you're

773
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: usually the positive guy, I'm going to force you to

774
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: go to the dark side. This unprecedented amount of coverage

775
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: now includes a tremendous amount of fake news, misinformation, false quotes,

776
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: completely uninformed people reacting insanely to things that they don't understand,

777
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: things like a quote about Team Clark that is then

778
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: read as a shot at Caitlin Clark because they don't

779
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: even know what Team Clark is.

780
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: That they don't even know what the.

781
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: W is practically, So, Miles, what can we do about

782
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: that side of things?

783
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 6: Oh, that is a very loaded question, because I think

784
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 6: that the W is kind of just a microcosm of

785
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 6: the world at large, and we've got so many issues

786
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 6: with media and with social media and the fact that

787
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 6: everybody has access to a computer where they can just

788
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 6: spew out their thoughts. They can create a blog, they

789
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 6: can send out a tweet, and that is all you

790
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 6: need to do with For seven dollars a month, you

791
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 6: could buy a verified check mark and amplify all that

792
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 6: mess And I think when I talked about Owen being

793
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 6: very helpful to me, his experiences in Boston have really

794
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 6: set him up for this last couple of years of

795
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 6: the WNBA when all of these bad faith actors came in.

796
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 6: And you know, he wrote a great column at over

797
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 6: at the Contrarian about Angel Reese, and all that meant

798
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 6: was that his entire mentions blew up for the next

799
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 6: like three days in a way that like I would

800
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 6: have died, I would have just shut down all of

801
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 6: the devices, never logged on again. You never would have

802
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 6: heard from me, and that would have been it for me.

803
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 6: And just seeing how he was able to cherry pick

804
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 6: his favorite and respond to those those hateful messages in

805
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 6: a way that was just really it was cathartic for him,

806
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 6: and it was terrifying for me, but in kind of

807
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 6: learning that, but just watching how in the last couple

808
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 6: of years, I think there's so much positive growth that

809
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 6: is being obscured by those few bad faith actors who

810
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 6: just happened to be the loudest, and there are there's

811
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 6: so many incredible stories being told, even from you, your

812
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 6: Caitlin fans and your Angel fans and your Page fans

813
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 6: and these new generations that feel like they did not

814
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 6: have a voice. And I feel for Caitlin in when

815
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 6: she's used as an avatar for some of these fans

816
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 6: that just want to see a straight white woman excelling

817
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 6: at a sport that's predominantly queer black women, and that

818
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 6: sometimes is all there is to it. And that's been

819
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 6: the biggest struggle for me from a coverage perspective. And

820
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 6: I'm like, part of me wants to just keep my

821
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 6: head down and keep doing the work I'm doing and

822
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 6: hopefully that drowns out some of the noise. But then

823
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 6: I hit a breaking point where I feel like I

824
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 6: need to respond, where we need to have conversations or

825
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 6: bring people onto our podcast that could speak to some

826
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 6: of these issues much better than Owen and I can

827
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 6: because that's just we can sympathize with so much of this,

828
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 6: but we can't empathize we don't know when something is

829
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 6: true agering if we haven't directly experienced it as much

830
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 6: as we want to, and we want to do everything

831
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 6: we can to try to be, you know, the smallest

832
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 6: light in that space while also not putting down any

833
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 6: of the players ourselves, or at least that's my that's

834
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 6: my perspective, and I think it's thinking about where it

835
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 6: was a couple of years ago. A barometer, a weird

836
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 6: barometer for me is like my in laws asking about

837
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 6: Britney Griner. That was the only question three years ago

838
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 6: whenever anything with the WNBA came up, and then it

839
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 6: was what's going on with Caitlin? Why does everybody hate her?

840
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 6: And now it's grown into and part of that I

841
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 6: think is the local success of the Liberty, But it's

842
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 6: grown into oh I see that the Liberty are on

843
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 6: a wind streak or oh no, John Cuell Jones is out.

844
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 6: What news do you have that you can share with me?

845
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 6: And I'm like, nothing that you won't find if you

846
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 6: don't log onto Twitter. But like that, seeing that conversation

847
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 6: grow has been cool because it's about basketball, way off

848
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 6: it way more often now than it was a couple

849
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 6: of years ago.

850
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot more of the good stuff, which

851
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: is great.

852
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 2: It just brought with it a lot of the bad stuff.

853
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, unlike in more established sports and predominantly men's sports,

854
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: when people get things really wrong, there isn't this mass

855
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: of folks arriving to tell them that they're wrong or

856
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: what they're saying is inaccurate, or to send them a

857
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: story about what's actually true.

858
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: So it's just messier.

859
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: There is so much mess and there aren't enough established

860
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: outlets doing it right and doing it well that they

861
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: can counteract that. In fact, some of the outlets that

862
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: you normally would assume would be places you could get

863
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: accurate and smart coverage are not well informed on the

864
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: w and are contributing to the problem by having writers

865
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: who will write dumb shit about Kelsey Plum saying team

866
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: Clark wasn't present, and then they actually write a story

867
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: about her taking a shot at Caitlyn Clark too, and

868
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: you're like, wait, this is fill in the blank of

869
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: a name. I'm not going to call it, but this

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Speaker 1: is an outlet that should know better than that, and

871
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Speaker 1: then that looks legit of people who don't know the space.

872
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Speaker 1: So we're kind of running out of time here, and

873
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, Owen, what are your go

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Speaker 1: to places for legit reporting and smart coverage other than

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Speaker 1: your own, Like where do you go and think like

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Speaker 1: I know this is going to be good and this

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Speaker 1: is going to be right.

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Speaker 7: Oh, great question. Yeah, I love ending it on On

879
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 7: that note. Nikaias Duncan is someone who I think does

880
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 7: not get enough credit in the space just in general,

881
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 7: someone who's just as smart as it gets about basketball.

882
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 7: Him and Steve Jones Junior. We've had them both on

883
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Speaker 7: our podcasts a number of times. And you know when

884
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 7: I said earlier, like I realized that that type of

885
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Speaker 7: X's and O's coverage wasn't my lane, Like they are

886
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 7: so amazing at it, but also with an ability to

887
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 7: speak about stuff beyond basketball, I think I think it's

888
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 7: it's it's like specific people. I want to shout out.

889
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 7: Our friend Tarika Foster Brasby just does such exceptional coverage everywhere,

890
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Speaker 7: and I'm so thankful that we met her in this space.

891
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 7: There is a lot of good independent journalism happening Lucas

892
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 7: Kaplan in market here covers the Liberty incredibly well alongside Miles.

893
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Speaker 7: So like when you when you know where to find it,

894
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Speaker 7: and of course this is gonna be a situe I'm

895
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Speaker 7: trying to fill a buster because there's gonna be like

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Speaker 7: ten names when we finish reporting. Why did I shout

897
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 7: them out as well? Flagrant Magazine that Slam has always

898
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 7: done such a great job, like having a byline and

899
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 7: Slam was was such a dream come true. So there

900
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Speaker 7: is amazing work being done out there, and it just

901
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 7: sometimes it's harder to find it.

902
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Speaker 1: Well, if you remember some, you can always email them

903
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Speaker 1: to me and I'll throw them at the end of

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Speaker 1: the show for people to follow.

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Speaker 2: So don't stress too much. You'll you'll have, you know,

906
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Speaker 2: a lot of bit of time for it to come

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Speaker 2: to you. Miles, you got a couple names.

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Speaker 6: I wanted to just yeah, I was going to add

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Speaker 6: obviously we spoke about I brought up Lindsay before. Huge

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Speaker 6: fan of everything that Lindsay does and just kind of

911
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 6: building the world out. Katie Barnes is someone else who

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Speaker 6: I think is the best feature writer in I mean,

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Speaker 6: but for my money, in basketball World. Yeah, in the world.

914
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Speaker 6: So everything that Katie's doing is so exciting. I'm going

915
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Speaker 6: to just going to show love to the Independence. So

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Speaker 6: I mean it's you're seeing not just it with Windsider,

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Speaker 6: but you're seeing your her hoop stats put out content

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Speaker 6: and seeing them get to the platform where they're being

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Speaker 6: shouted out on broadcasts is really amazing. The just the

920
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Speaker 6: teams of people that are at I think all the Independence,

921
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 6: but at ESPN they've actually done a better job in

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Speaker 6: recent years, I think in bringing in basketball voices that

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Speaker 6: are either if it's a former player like Chaday or

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Speaker 6: if it's somebody like Alexa Philippoho who started as a

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Speaker 6: beat writer up with the Connecticut Sun and has just

926
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Speaker 6: grown and grown that it's cool to see a bigger

927
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Speaker 6: outlet really recognize talent for that space instead of just saying, okay,

928
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Speaker 6: we have NBA, let's just drag them over to the

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Speaker 6: w space, which is unfortunately when a lot of these

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Speaker 6: bigger platforms have done.

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 6: I think those are just a couple of names that

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Speaker 6: come to mind. But yeah, I was hoping I was

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Speaker 6: off the hook.

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Speaker 3: Here, all right.

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Speaker 1: Last question. We do our own version of bench start cut.

937
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: It is called good Gooder goodest. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: cut anything because this is good game. We don't want

939
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Speaker 1: to cut anything, but something does have to just be good.

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Speaker 1: So give me these in the order of good.

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Speaker 2: Gooder, goodest miles.

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Speaker 1: You go first, Nafisa Colliers fade away in the paint,

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Speaker 1: Page Becker's mid range, Jay sabrinigan Escu's deep three.

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Speaker 6: Ooh okay, well, I already have links fans mad at me,

945
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 6: so I feel like I should just stay on that

946
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 6: train just by being a liberty reporter. So I think,

947
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Speaker 6: and seeing Fee and JJ go at each other in

948
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Speaker 6: the paint with Fata waves is great, But I think

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Speaker 6: I'm going to start with Fee there. I might have

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Speaker 6: to just stay in the order you're there. I might

951
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 6: have to go Fee good that page midi, which is

952
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 6: already one of the most efficient mid range shots, which

953
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 6: again might not be a great basketball shot, but is

954
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Speaker 6: if you can shoot that efficiently is a great shot.

955
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 6: That's a gooder. And then the Sabrina deep three, especially

956
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 6: at the Barclay Center, just hits different that watching her

957
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 6: warm up every game, you're watching like thirty forty threes

958
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 6: drop in a row, and she's practicing from that that

959
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 6: four four point story range from All Star and one

960
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 6: of the coldest shots I've ever seen in my life

961
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 6: was traveling out to Minnesota for Game three and seeing

962
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 6: sab knock that one down was a really cool moment

963
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 6: to then get to talk to the athlete five minutes

964
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Speaker 6: after that and report on.

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Speaker 2: So all right, So Miles is an incredible homer as expected,

966
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: huge homer. Also, Owen and I both.

967
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: Gave the exact same look when he made Fees fade away,

968
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: which is unstoppable.

969
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:05,959
Speaker 2: The good talk about a hater. There's a podcast Good

970
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: Good or Goodest Go.

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Speaker 7: I am gonna redeem him. And also I just want

972
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 7: to thank you because every time I see the start

973
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 7: bench cut, I'm just like, we're out here cutting Lisa Leslie,

974
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 7: like what are we doing? Like what is this? So

975
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 7: this is great? I don't have to cut anything. And yes,

976
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 7: I'm going to go the complete opposite order of Miles.

977
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 7: I'm gonna I'm gonna say good Sabrina deep three. Look,

978
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 7: if it's like Game three of the Finals last year,

979
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 7: then then it has to elevate. But in general incredible.

980
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 7: She hits some last night as well. Uh, Paige Midi Gooder,

981
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 7: the the the bag work the other night that like

982
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 7: double crossover into that feed away just absolutely silly against

983
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 7: New York. So like Page Page is a superstar, but

984
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 7: come on, I mean, no Fisa in the pate with

985
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 7: the step back has to be goodest, like legitimately the

986
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 7: most unstoppable shot in all of that.

987
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, v thank you, thank you. I'm not supposed

988
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: to have judgment at these these are your subjective opinions,

989
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: but you're right, Owen, so that's good.

990
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: Thank you guys both so much for coming on. We

991
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: really appreciate it.

992
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: Keep up the great work, and hopefully we'll send a

993
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: lot of folks to go read your stuff and listen

994
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: to your pod and keep the clicks coming.

995
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 6: Thank you, Sarah, Thank you so much, Sarah.

996
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: We got to take another break. When we come back.

997
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: Mix Strengths done wrong, stick around, welcome back slices. We

998
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: always love that you're listening, but we want you to

999
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: get in the game every day too, So here's our

1000
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: good game play of the day. Follow Owen and Miles

1001
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: on social media and check out their podcast, pull Up

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00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: with Owen and Miles. They also sent us the names

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Speaker 1: of a few more content creators that they love and appreciate.

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00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: Which included The Washington Post, Kareem Copeland, Christina Williams, host

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00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: of the iHeart Podcast, in case you missed it, the

1006
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: Las Vegas review Journals, Callie Finn, the Athletics, Ben Pickman.

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00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: You've heard from most of those folks on this show,

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00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: so you already know how great they are. We'll link

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00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: to all those folks in the show notes, along with

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00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: the reporters they mentioned in the interview.

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Speaker 2: Also a quick.

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Speaker 1: Reminder, since it is August somehow already, don't forget. August

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Speaker 1: twenty third is the Diana Tarasi Bench unveiling in Door County.

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Speaker 1: I'll be posting some stuff on social media with more

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Speaker 1: details about timing and location and everything else. But mark

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Speaker 1: some fellow slices. We always love to hear from you,

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Speaker 1: excuse for that midday buzz your boss called you out

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Speaker 1: on review. On July twenty ninth, high Noon, the very

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Speaker 1: Much Alcoholic Seltzer brand revealed that it had accidentally.

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Speaker 2: Put their fruity boozy brew.

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Speaker 1: Into empty cans of very much non alcoholic Celsius energy drink.

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Speaker 1: Now Allegedly, a packaging supplier that the two brand share

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Speaker 1: mistakenly sent the empty Celsius cans to high Noon, who

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Speaker 1: accidentally filled them with vodka Seltzer. Specifically, two production lots

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Speaker 1: of the high Noon Beach variety packs might include mislabeled

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Speaker 1: cans of Celsius astro Vibe, so folks sitting at work

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Speaker 1: grabbing it up or to kick that three PM drowsy

1035
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Speaker 1: feeling are actually getting an early start to happy hour.

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Speaker 1: Celsius describes the affected flavor astro Vibe sparkling blue ras

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Speaker 1: addition as quote inspired by the infinite adventure of space travel.

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Speaker 1: But I'm guessing some execs look into fuel an all

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Speaker 1: nighter or Jim Bros. Trying to pump up their energy

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Speaker 2: Of trip altogether.

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Speaker 1: Celsius cracked a few jokes about it on social media,

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Speaker 1: including posting cans of blue ras with quote, tag your friends,

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Speaker 1: it's happy hour funny, but there might be some no,

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Speaker 1: not so funny outcomes to this. I don't know folks

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Speaker 1: in recovery, accidentally falling off the wagon, someone using the

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Speaker 1: just to be safe, channel a forty plus woman scheduling

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Speaker 1: a mammogram and double check those cans. Now it's your turn,

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