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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New

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Speaker 1: York Football Giants. I am John Schmelk. We are joined

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Speaker 1: by former Giants offensive lineman Roman Obin. Roman. I will

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Speaker 1: let you give your title. You work with the NFL

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Speaker 1: now in the league office. You've got the you got

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Speaker 1: the shield on your chest there we can see it. Uh, first,

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Speaker 1: tell the folks what you're doing and what you're up to,

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Speaker 1: and then the myriad of things that you're responsible for,

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Speaker 1: and will kind of go through all of them.

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Speaker 2: So my official title now is Vice President Football Development.

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Speaker 2: So I currently deal with a lot of the strategy

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Speaker 2: behind the college to pro pathway from informing FBS coaches

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Speaker 2: double A, the All Star games. You know we see

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Speaker 2: each other's singing Bowl every year, singing Blea Spress Fine Bowl,

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Speaker 2: working with the Combine on player performance. And then I

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Speaker 2: had a start and actually ten years ago its January

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Speaker 2: of twenty fifteen in health and safety. So we were

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Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of the youth football issues, concussions

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Speaker 2: of the negative health and safety narrative, and more importantly,

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Speaker 2: how clubs could do a lot in their communities to

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Speaker 2: highlight football participation, celebrate coaches and all that. So I've

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Speaker 2: had a myriad of responsibilities, as you mentioned, but I'm

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Speaker 2: really happy about the work that I get to do

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Speaker 2: and the people that I get to work with, and

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Speaker 2: obviously got our local clubs right in our backyard with

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Speaker 2: you guys, and obviously the Jets as.

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Speaker 1: Well for sure. All Right, so why don't we start

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Speaker 1: then with the All Star Games? Because those just happened.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about the combine and then we'll kind of

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Speaker 1: go from their room, and so let's go first the

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Speaker 1: All Star Games. They just happened. What kind of impact

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Speaker 1: is the league having on those two games, how they're run,

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Speaker 1: what are you guys trying to achieve. We saw the

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Speaker 1: rule change last couple of years with the underclass and

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Speaker 1: being able to go to the games. We've seen the

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Speaker 1: rule change this year where if you attend these games,

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Speaker 1: you had to play, right. That was a rule that

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Speaker 1: kind of got in this year as well, So just

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Speaker 1: tell me about the direction you're trying to take these

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Speaker 2: Well, the first thing you mentioned was this was the

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Speaker 2: the old days, if you had the lowest record and

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Speaker 2: and then the East West game had a blended staff

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Speaker 2: if you will have just different coaches from every club

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Speaker 2: based on club nominations. Now across both games you have

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Speaker 2: a blended staff. So we've got to get down about

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Speaker 2: one hundred twenty five submissions from coach from GMS and

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Speaker 2: coaches across the league to down to about sixty five

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Speaker 2: and obviously special teams coaches as well, which you're seeing

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Speaker 2: it's been a good change. I mean, I think it's

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Speaker 2: So if you're the D line coach, you get to

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Speaker 2: This is how he approached all those interviews. It's a

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Speaker 2: they're constantly evaluating these kids in terms of who will

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Speaker 1: Just to stay with the coaches. But before we get

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Speaker 1: So say de right, James Ferns is the assistant on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I worked with him for a week and

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Speaker 2: actually personally select the position coaches. So we go down

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Speaker 2: we look at college experience, we look at we look

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Speaker 1: All right, So that's the coaching side of it. Let's

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I would say, first of all, I mean

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Speaker 2: weaknesses on your draft reports and there's a lot of anxiety,

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Speaker 2: you saw some guys like LSU had a multiple offensive lineman.

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Speaker 2: So there are always gonna be schools like that. But

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Speaker 2: they're learning. I mean, you're putting in a new system

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Speaker 2: So the perimeter guys, I mean, it's the same drills

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. And the other rule I

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there was a notion that and I

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Speaker 2: And I always use a proverbia like a kid from

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Speaker 2: all the sense in the world. But this isn't is

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Speaker 2: an opportunity to compete, to get evaluated, to see how

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Speaker 2: gms and and head coaches haven't physically seen these players before.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you've read about it and you will watch them

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Speaker 2: on film. But you get to physically see a guy,

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Speaker 2: and there will be a lot of interview opportunities, thirty visits,

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Speaker 2: why that memo went out.

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Speaker 1: Hoddle up, get in here.

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Speaker 2: Well, the first thing you said is right, it's no

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Speaker 2: think there's a world now where they use that Khaki

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Speaker 2: So we're always evaluating the relevancy of the Khaki evaluation

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Speaker 1: That makes sense, all right, Then you also have to

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Speaker 2: So I think that's that shows that it nothing's perfect,

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of really good players. I got to

437
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Speaker 1: imagine narrowing that combine number down this year was particularly tough.

438
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, especially, like I said, your top

439
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,400
Speaker 2: hundred guys that are top hundred guys, but I think

440
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,160
Speaker 2: the guys that get that that you get the challenge,

441
00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 2: or guys that are highly productive and they're on the

442
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,640
Speaker 2: border and then here comes the junior that comes out

443
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 2: and that person that right automatically jumps you. So there's

444
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,439
Speaker 2: there's less juniors and there's so it actually bounced itself out.

445
00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,920
Speaker 2: If you imagine there's less juniors coming out and more

446
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,439
Speaker 2: you know, fifth and six year seniors. Next year, it

447
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,719
Speaker 2: might come back to balance the way it used to be.

448
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 2: But but again, the one good thing about that, John,

449
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 2: I would say this year, I think there were thirty

450
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 2: five hundred college football guys playing with cotwidth degrees on

451
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,639
Speaker 2: the field with degree so yes and I and all

452
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,680
Speaker 2: those things are good but it's good to have a degree,

453
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Speaker 2: and it's good to be able to manage yourself socially

454
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 2: and all those things you learn on a college campus

455
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 2: because you're actually more likely to be a better professional

456
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 2: once you actually get a contract, if you've learned how

457
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 2: to manage your life, and then if you manage your

458
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 2: lifeable football take care of it yourself. So it was

459
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 2: encouraging to see all the guys with degrees.

460
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Speaker 1: You know, and I know you're working on with Ronnie

461
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Speaker 1: Barnes right on the combine and I c board yes, absolutely,

462
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Speaker 1: what is Ronnie's rolling?

463
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Speaker 2: That just Ronnie Barnes along with Reggie Scott, just any

464
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 2: any of the medical changes or any medical always looking

465
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Speaker 2: to do things better, you know, the wait time for MRIs,

466
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 2: the combine, all that thing that leads to the player experience.

467
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Speaker 2: And obviously Ronnie has gotten more years in athletic training

468
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 2: than most people. So some of those things go to

469
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Speaker 2: Ronnie Barnes. Some of the things that are club related

470
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 2: may go to the gms and some of the owners

471
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Speaker 2: on the call and then I just me and another

472
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 2: lady and Yaka and the lampety shoes ahead of clinical owners.

473
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Speaker 2: We deal with like player assessments, player experience drills, some

474
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Speaker 2: of those things. But Ronnie has such a breadth of knowledge,

475
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 2: and he's got so much credibility of league, other clubs,

476
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 2: p fats, the trainers associations and all those things. A

477
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 2: lot of people look up to Ronnie, so it's awesome

478
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 2: to be, you know, teammates with him in a new

479
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 2: locker room, so to speak.

480
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Speaker 1: Now we've had some schedule changes at the Combine rolement.

481
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Speaker 1: You talked about trying to make this experience is good

482
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Speaker 1: for the players as possible. You want to allow them

483
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Speaker 1: to test as well as they possibly can, but there's

484
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Speaker 1: also a TV event, right, so you have to balance

485
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: kind of those two things together. So how is those

486
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: conversations gone in terms of making that schedule work for

487
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 1: everybody involved in that event at the same time, Yeah,

488
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Speaker 1: I think as.

489
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Speaker 2: Long as the what's first and foremost is the players

490
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 2: experience and the players being able to test well. I

491
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: know there were some narratives that were floating around that

492
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 2: it's hard to interview all day than run a forty

493
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 2: at night, and I think it's still the same schedule

494
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 2: of arrive, administrative medical interview, then test. I think a

495
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 2: lot of players would say like you show up in

496
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 2: shape and then you don't run for three days and

497
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 2: you think, oh man, I'm out of shape. You're not

498
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 2: out of shape after three days. But I think the

499
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: schedule has The schedule changes have been positive, even down

500
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Speaker 2: to what players are eating time off. Limiting time on

501
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 2: interviews has been a big change. You can't just hold

502
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Speaker 2: the guy hostage for an hour. If an interview is

503
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, there's like a clock on the wall, and

504
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 2: you've got a guy from nine to nine fifteen, the

505
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 2: nine fifteen to nine thirty, then interviews over. So teams

506
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: are teams are knowing that they have to adjust now

507
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 2: because again, any extra wait time, whether it's an interview

508
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 2: took too long or it took too long to get

509
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 2: a MRI, that always leads to a negative experience, and

510
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: then you're not You're less likely to get guys having

511
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: a positive experience. About the combine.

512
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Speaker 3: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

513
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 3: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're

514
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 3: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk

515
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: to citizens.

516
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Speaker 1: Hey, I can also talk long care.

517
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Speaker 3: I'd like to learn about an molliaru Tae. Yes, I

518
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 3: knew I could help makes sense of your money with citizens.

519
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm happy you brought up the interview because i

520
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: know that has changed a lot. And I've heard stories

521
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: from some of the old heads and I'm sure as

522
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: a player you were involved in this right the old

523
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: train station where players are at the train station at

524
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: the hotel, and I've heard stories are like team personnel

525
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: like are fighting over guys and like they're getting into

526
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: shouting matches and fighting matches on who gets to interview

527
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: the players? What have you guys done, the kind of

528
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: streamline that whole process, like you kind of just talked about.

529
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Speaker 2: Well, if you look at Insie Lucasoco Stadium, there's little

530
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: suites and every club has their own suite, so the

531
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: interviews are done there. It's a friendly environment. I think

532
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: one of the things that coming from the league office

533
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: is always that players need to be treated with the

534
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: utmost respect and dignity during that process. It's an HR

535
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: interview for all practical purposes. On the on behalf of

536
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: the player and behalf of the club, so the clubs

537
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: can't ask certain questions that make a player uncomfortable. Some

538
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 2: players may have a legal issue that you may have

539
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: to deal with and you just have to address it.

540
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: But you can't double down on some negative issue. You

541
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 2: can't double down on a player's childhood or upbringing or

542
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: some things that really fall really far outside the scope

543
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 2: of the football. The x's and Z is how the

544
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 2: player learns. And John I would say, most players come

545
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: from humble beginnings and come from you know, maybe some

546
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: challenging issues, and many good players come from that, and

547
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: most players are good guys, and sometimes negative things happen.

548
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: You've got to address that. But I think there's been

549
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 2: a concerted effort to make sure that players and clubs

550
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 2: understand that this is to be a professional environment on

551
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: both sides. You don't want the kid coming in. I

552
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: remember my Combine experience. I mean sitting in front of

553
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: Bill Kauer. I mean that was the year they lost

554
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, the Cowboys and the ninety after ninety

555
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: five season, and they ask me to draw up a

556
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: play and I'm meeting nervous and then I draw up

557
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: a play backside and power what does the tackle do?

558
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: Another team may ask you to about your childhood by

559
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: your background from a single mom. How does that help you?

560
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Speaker 3: You know?

561
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: So every team is different how they respond, how they

562
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: ask questions, which they're perfectly allowed to do. But again,

563
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: it's the part about doubling down on a specific issue

564
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: or you know, trying to break a player, so to speak,

565
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: mentally about how the person thinks. And I don't think

566
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: a lot of clubs do that at all. But I

567
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 2: think it's just the transparency about what the priorities are

568
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: are important to convey to players and to clubs WO like,

569
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: and obviously their agents know that too, because they're the

570
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: clients of these players.

571
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Speaker 1: All right, Ron, before we say goodbye, anything else, you

572
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: want to get out there about this process, the All

573
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: Star games to combine, and just making sure these players

574
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: go through this process as successfully as possible. We even

575
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: talked about the thirty visits. You can talk about that

576
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: if you want, and just to make sure what you

577
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: guys are doing allows them to put their best foot forward.

578
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Speaker 2: I think one thing I didn't mention is we do

579
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 2: talk a lot with the NCAA on some of the rules,

580
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: junior declaration dates, the National Championship date was I have

581
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: a son, Howard cross Wey. Both two Giants player former

582
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: Giants guys have sons that played from their name. They

583
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: played sixteen games this year. They played all the way

584
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: up until January twentieth, so that affects the offseason schedule

585
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 2: as well. So some of those things aren't done in

586
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: conjunction with the NUBA. So just want to let the

587
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: you know, the viewers know that none of this is

588
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: done in a vacuum. It's by committee work the NAA.

589
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: We want college football to throw out. We want players

590
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: to do well and do their best, and that includes

591
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: thing in school. So we're not making decisions based on

592
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: superficial things or TV. What makes sense for television, what

593
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: sense for network? But no, it's what makes sense for

594
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: the entire of the event. The club's done the evaluating

595
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 2: and obviously the players having a good experience overall.

596
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: All right, I got to ask you about RJ before

597
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: we say goodbye your room. He is going through this process.

598
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: How is it going for him? I have a chance

599
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: to talk to him down at the Senior Bowl. You

600
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: guys can go back on the audio podcast feed for

601
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: the huddle. You can find that interview in one of

602
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: those Senior Bowl episode interview episodes. How's it going for him?

603
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: And how are you handling as the dad man? I'm

604
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: sure this is extremely stressful for you. You don't want

605
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: to get too heavily involved. He's like, Dad, I can

606
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: do it, and I'm sure he doesn't want you all

607
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: all up in his business. How has this whole experience

608
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: been for you as a dad of a prospect.

609
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's gone pretty well. He's pretty mature, he's

610
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: pretty mure. He's probably more witch ourether than I was

611
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: that age, for sure, But you know I didn't have

612
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: a dad in the business telling me about things. I

613
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: just I'm a little bit of a stickler on the interview.

614
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: I think today's generation of kids, they don't communicate as

615
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 2: well as is like I mean, the you know, you

616
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: grew up in the world where you look at guy

617
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: and I shake his hand, yes, sir, No, sir, I

618
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: come from that world. So he didn't want to hear

619
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: any nineties references by any means. But it's it's good

620
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: to see him, and as any parent, I mean, whether

621
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: you're kids playing the trumpet or something that band in

622
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: fourth grade or or they're at the senior Bowl, I mean,

623
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: you're just proud that they've taken ownership and things that

624
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: they want to do well. It's a tough process, and

625
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: you know, he's probably considered a Day three guy, you know,

626
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: fifth sixth round something like that. And so hopefully for him,

627
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: I care about, you know, just a good organization that

628
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: he goes to, a good organization that that has stability

629
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: and you know, coaching, GMS, all those things, because then

630
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: he could come in and learn and develop. But again,

631
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: one thing I've heard that he's done really well in

632
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: the interviews last week of the you know, during the

633
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl. So the character the reviews, and when you

634
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: hear things like it's a smart player, works hard and

635
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: cares about football, comes in the building early, leaves late.

636
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: I mean that's I think as a as as someone

637
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: of that offensive line mentality, I think that's it's good

638
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: to hear that because you want more D linemen and

639
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: DB's having that mentality than just offensive lineman. So I'm

640
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: happy for him and I'm always here to support. But yeah,

641
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm probably a little bit more of a stick through

642
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: on the interviews more than an being because that's when

643
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: they really get to know you. And I'm sure a

644
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: few teams asked them like what did you learning from

645
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: having a dad that playing in NFL? And he talked

646
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: about preparation and and and always taking football seriously and

647
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: being in places early and all that those things. So

648
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 2: I'm happy for him.

649
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: How much do you guys like work technique with like

650
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: O line D line stuff like that, where you like,

651
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, teach him how to you know, work offensive

652
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: lineman because you can obviously talk from that perspective, oh

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Speaker 1: all the.

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Speaker 2: Time, all the time. I mean, he had a big

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Speaker 2: sack against Georgia in the semi final, and I remember

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Speaker 2: usually the night or two before the game, I'll talk

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Speaker 2: to him. I said, what are you seeing on film

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Speaker 2: from his offensive line? Are they leaners? Are they big guys?

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Speaker 2: Are they technicians other athletes? You know, you got to

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Speaker 2: prepare differently against each guy. And as he's gotten older

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Speaker 2: into college, we have less of those discussions because he's

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Speaker 2: developed his own method of that. But he said, he said, look,

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Speaker 2: I could probably beat this guy for two or three

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Speaker 2: sacks if I get that opportunity, because he's a leaner,

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Speaker 2: I'm better with my hands. And he had a big

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Speaker 2: shrip sack in the second half of the you know,

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Speaker 2: the Georgia game. I'm his second quarter rather and so

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Speaker 2: it's good to you know, as kids get older. It's

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Speaker 2: not always your idea, but it's like, what is your

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Speaker 2: idea and just taking an ownership of something you believe

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Speaker 2: in and then just listen to how they go through

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Speaker 2: it and then you say, okay, that that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: What would you also consider X, Y or Z. And

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Speaker 2: so it's a different discussion than when you're seventeen. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: bull rush this guy and I'll do a spin move

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Speaker 2: because this guy oversets. But as he gets older, he's

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Speaker 2: taken a lot more ownership. So now I'm definitely proud

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Speaker 2: and want him to do. But he's a technician, though

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Speaker 2: he would he would tell that he's a technician.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you man, Like I don't know who

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Speaker 1: would not expect him to interview while he went to

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Speaker 1: Duke and Notre Dame. I mean, great job at he you,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's two fantastic schools. I think you know

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Speaker 1: he's going to be a smart point. He's gonna interview

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Speaker 1: all given the two schools he went.

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Speaker 2: Through, right, yeah, absolutely, and just the environment they are in.

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Speaker 2: I mean some of those kind of schools, like they

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Speaker 2: even any player from like those schools. You know, your Northwestern,

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Speaker 2: your Vand's you know, Boston College. I mean, you're you're

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Speaker 2: living with regular students in the dorm. When you're young,

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Speaker 2: You're you're not just hanging around football players. You you

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Speaker 2: have other interests that's encouraged, so you have a more

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Speaker 2: worldview of the world versus just the football part of it.

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Speaker 2: But no, I'm i'm I'm. I'm glad that he's he's

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Speaker 2: done well for himself academically and and whatever whatever, he's

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Speaker 2: whatever he earns on the field on Sundays. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's one thing I tell him all the time. You

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Speaker 2: got to earn it on Sundays. I said, no, no,

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Speaker 2: GM is going to get fired because they drafted Romanovn's kid.

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Speaker 2: I said, You're gonna have to earn every dollar, every

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Speaker 2: every down, every every training camp rep, every preseason rep.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to earn it once you're in the building.

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Speaker 1: Nothing else matters. That's absolutely this was fun, man, Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for doing it. And I was always gonna

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Speaker 1: catch up with you. And I'll see at the Combine

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Speaker 1: and India. I'm assuming in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I'll see there.

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Speaker 1: Oh aw, some Romano Olden works the NFL and now

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Speaker 1: former Giant. Of course, that's Roman Open. Thanks for joining

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